Hafiz Saeed calls for jihad against America
The sermon was held at the JuD head office Jamia Markaz al-Qadsia in Lahore, where Saeed had his own security. Some of the security personnel were also seen carrying weapons with silencers. A box was placed at the exit and men asked for people exiting the mosque to give funds for jihad.
Saeed, who recently became the centre of attention after the US announced a $10 million bounty on him for his affiliation with the banned Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT), said that the JuD is not afraid of anyone and will continue with its jihad. “They [US] are even scared of my name.”
“This is the same jihad which caused the USSR to break and now America is failing because of it. Analysts and journalists don’t realise why America is failing, the only reason is jihad.” he remarked. “There are many parties in Pakistan, but America has only sent a message to Jamaatud Dawa, because we do jihad.”
Commenting on the Raymond Davis saga, Saeed said that everyone knows what he was doing in the country and what the American spy agency Central Investigative Agency (CIA) is trying to accomplish in Pakistan. “America should leave Pakistan and Afghanistan peacefully. Then, we will not come to you with guns but will instead invite you to Islam.”
Saeed added that the reason why the media is against jihad is because it is influenced by the west, and the western education makes them degrade jihad.
After the sermon, a rally was taken to the Lahore press club which was joined by union traders, some Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz leaders, other Difa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC) leaders and was led by Convener of Hurmat-e-Rasool Committee Ameer Hamza. Saeed himself did not participate in the rally.
Difa-e-Pakistan activists protest US bounty on Hafiz Saeed
Hundreds of Difa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC) activists took to the streets Friday, calling for “holy war” and torching a US flag to condemn a $10 million US bounty on Jamaatud Dawa’s (JuD) founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.
DPC, an alliance of religious groups, has called for rallies to denounce the move against Saeed, whose Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) group was blamed for the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
In Muzaffarabad, around 500 activists shouted “Al Jihad, al Jihad (holy war)” as they marched on the city and set fire to a US flag in a main square.
DPC activists also staged demonstrations outside Lahore Press Club and Faisalabad.
Speakers asked President Asif Ali Zardari to cancel a planned visit to India on Sunday and demanded an American apology for the bounty.
“Such steps are forcing Muslims towards guns,” said Abdul Aziz Alvi, the local head of JuD, which is seen as a front for LeT, is headed by Saeed and blacklisted by the United Nations and United States.
“We condemn American announcement against Hafiz Saeed,” cried a banner at the rally, attended by members of other banned and religious groups.
The reward for Saeed was announced by US Under Secretary of State Wendy Sherman in India on Monday.
Saeed, who lives openly in Pakistan, has mocked the charges, calling a press conference to say he is ready to face “any American court” to answer charges.
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You call war agaist USSR a JIHAD... A jihad with the aid of USA! using their supplied weapons! and after all it was you who accepted US Dollars to aid your Jihadis... The name of Jihad slaps on your face...and still you call that war a JIHAD... I think this time you will launch a Jihad for once again but this time it will be anyother power may be USSR supplying you with adid against US and you will again call it a JIHAD...just think atleast for once...
@Hit-man: Dear Hit-man, I think we should spell out how the American administration would be feeling. Do you think they would be slightly upset, somewhat miffed or even cross?
@Nasir:
and you to USA?
@Ch. Allah Daad:
Depends on what? that how resourceful and brave you are?
Now that Hafiz Saeed has given the Americans all the information they need to find him does this mean he qualifies for the $10,000,000.00 reward?
This person and alike are major cause of present day decline of Pakistan. Today he is calling Jihad against America while American are one who created his party. He was brought from Saudi with killing ideology and petro dollars. He has blood on his hands of Shia, Sunni, ahmadis and minorities. Pakistan need to be cleared from such elements. Its best to hand over all of this group to Americans and Saudies.
Pakistan is blessed with all the natural resources and talent one can dream of, instead of thinking on the lines of whom you can harm you should invest your energies towards becoming a developed Nation by 2020, you have such a rich sporting history, invest into that, show the world what you are capable of, don't accept underachievement as India has been doing for so many years happy with underachieving.
Japan is a good example of what a willful nation can do, both India and Pakistan will do well to learn from it.
Being a prisoner of the past does not help, its what you do with what you have (and Pakistan is blessed in that respect) that determines the future of anation, its about time Pakistan made the most of the IT revolution, pull up its socks and chart a path of a prosperous future. All the Best!
how can u say that hafiz saeed is a a dangrous criminal......... they just trying to save islam and pakistan..........dont be too silly .......little bid ok...........@shazia khan:
"If someone attacks your wife and home, wil you fight against them or kiss on their lips?" Adnan, It depends...
What a little douche...
@Adnan:
I am sure with our bahadur 7 million very expensive army someone won’t be able to attack his wife and home. Also we have free judiciary as well for any internal issues.
Why do you ask? Do you think Army and Judiciary are useless and Hafiz Saeed is a more powerful super-human alternative?
@Ch Allah Daad:
If someone attacks your wife and home, wil you fight against them or kiss on their lips?
@Indian:
True, so in India, the Hindu terrorists like Nirender Moodi and Bal Thackray are freely roaming after paining their hands red with the blood of hundreds of Muslims.
Infact, the trending of Moodi in Times 100 shows that how much Indians love terrorists and extremists to see on the cover of Times Magazine.
@Umer:
Foriegn Office is more aware that how US got successful due to same violence back in late 70s. So sit back and chill.
@Ayesha Khan:
Ms.Khan, you're respectfully allow to spread hate against Pakistanis on Indian forums. They will even pay you for that!
Hafiz sahib!!
All Pakistani but Ghairatmand Muslims are with you who have not been brainwashed by Western Madarassahs or have not sold out everything for sake of dollars.
@Syed Haider:
Actually you can very much find this news report on ET http://tribune.com.pk/story/360735/hafiz-saeed-helping-de-radicalise-militants-says-counter-terrorism-official/
@Freeman:
What is the evidence that these are not made up or exaggerated figures?
Where did they get the money from? If it was public money then who authorised it and why was it not given to official public services such as Rescue 1122 or credible charities like Edhi Foundation?
@nasr, @time to stop being so ignorant, @salim ansari, @shady tree, @rehmat, @gp65, @Raj_USA, @Raja Irman, @bigsaf, @Nasir, @Sindhvoice, @atif, @niaz, @munda baluch:
I agree with all of you. I am a patriotic Pakistani and I am grieved to see Hafiz Saeed and his ilk playing with the lives of other people's children. They never put themselves in the firing line, while their followers and victims die by the thousands.
We should wage Jihad against poverty, ignorance, disease, illiteracy and contaminated water. Our religius tradition says "the ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr." But alas, we have become monsters and are distorting and putting to shame our great, good and humane religion.
We need good relations with our neighbours and we should not interfere in their internal affairs. Otherwise we will continue to be trapped in a vicious circle of poverty and hatred.
It is time we should stand and say loudly as you have all done, that Hafiz Saeed is talking rubbish.
@Hammad Mian:
What is the difference? Attack on a country that is not officially at war with us is terrorism.
@Arif Mirza: I am not fan for Hafiz Saeed but we can't deny their Welfare work in Pakistan and Kashmir.
Jumat-UD-Dawa and its other organisations Welfare work
Running 5 Hospitals - Monthly more than 10,000 patients visit these hospitals for free treatment
They have 105 Ambulances
105 Dispanceries - More than 91000 people get treated per month.
2011/12
2985 Free Mobile Eye camps established and more than 1.7 Million people eyes were treated.
In 174 eye camps 8700 free Operations were performed.
In 83 Cities 800,000 Hepatitis Patients received Free Vaccination.
During this 52,000 free Lab test done
School And Colleges
At this moment they are running 140 Schools and 40,000 students Girls and Boys are getting Education.
Running 3 Colleges.
In Sindh, Balochistan and Khybar Pakhtoonkhawa digged 718 Water Wells.
2005 EarthQuake:
World community also hailed and recognised Jamat-ud-dawa work in 2005 EarthQuake.
More than 500,000 people received aid 20 Tent canps were established 6000 Houses were built. 59 Mosques were rebuilt 243 Field schools were established.Balochistan Earthquake:
15000 people received Medical aid In 74,000 people were distributed Food. More than 1000 houses were built 2700 families received Food Ration
SWAT AND MALAKAND SECURITY OPERATION:
Arranged food for more than 500,000 people Disrtibuted Ration to more than 43000 Families 79,000 People were provided Medical Aid More than 10 Million Rs. were distributed in effected families.
2010 Floods
Established 123 Camps Distributed food to 2.7 Million people 40 Clean Water Purification Plants Made available More than 1500 Mobile Eye Camps were established More than 500,000 received Medical Aid 11 Tent camps were established 900 Houses were built.
2011 Sindh Floods
92 Relief camps were established Arranged 35 Boat to provide Service in flood areas 1.9 Million People were provided food In 447 medical campls 1.1 Million people received Medical treatment. 3 Tent camps established
All those who are making hateful comments against respected Hafiz Sahib, how do you know all these hateful thing against him? Have you met him? Do you believe everything reported by Western and liberal media? Edhi gets all the press because he does not speak up against injustice. Hafiz Saheb is the truest Muslim and Pakistani - unafraid of unjust Pharaohs, kindest, gentlest soul to his friends. He is a true blessing to mankind and to Pakistan. No one has done more charity than he has done. He had started LET driven by a desire to promote animal rights and help destitute children find the right education and employment. From those humble beginnings, today he has become the pride and joy of all Pakistanis, a role model to Pakistani youth.
Americans and Indians are merely frustrated that someone in Pakistan has the courage to stand up for truth and justice. Other Pakistanis may not be able to rise to that level of achievement, but Americans and Indians should not think that Hafiz Saheb is a fringe player who can be ignored.
@ Shahid, Please don't confuse things with schools, clinics and ambulances. Hafiz Sahib has clearly stated Jihad against America and by Jihad he means nothing but to fight and kill Americans. To do that he has two options, first is to join Taliban in Afghanistan and FATA or persuade Americans to come to Lahore.
@Ch Allah Daad: chaudhary sahib he has done already done ,,, he is a practical man ,,, he has 172 schools 118 medical clinics ,, 7 hospitals,, ambulance fleet wells ,, all over the country his workers r doing welfare work hv u seen fata
@sundar: why dont u stick to ur beloved country;s politics DARLING>
@shazia khan: is it
@Nasir: yea and at this is the golden era we r living are;nt we
@india: Jihand not means terrorism jihad means to fight for true rights terrorism means what hindu's did by killing innocent muslims
To all who think this is extremism ,have forgotten the self dignity of themselves ,the so called liberal community think that they are alive just because USA and world do not want to kill them..oh common only Almighty God have the power to take life or give life.. all liberals try to get some self respect. think if USA announce the bounty for bal tahkrey's head.. or for example USA attack Israel for the bombing on thousands innocent Palestinian civilians no they don't dare to do so because those nations have there self respect they will not allow any other country tTo all who think this is extremism ,have forgotten the self dignity of themselves ,the so called liberal community think that they are alive just because USA and world do not want to kill them..oh common only Almighty God have the power to take life or give life.. all liberals try to get some self respect. think if USA announce the bounty for bal tahkrey's head.. or for example USA attack Israel for the bombing on thousands innocent Palestinian civilians no they don't dare to do so because those nations have there self respect they will not allow any other country to even said a word on there sovereignty. but what are we doing ??? Hafiz Saeed is Pakistani National ,USA should stop its interference whatever if it is Drone attacks, Baluchistan issue , Spying on Pakistan (Raymond Davis) , terrorist attacks like the Gilgit one. or Hafiz Saeed
So finally he accepted his normal occupation :).. His Jihad means terrorism..
To all who think this is extremism ,have forgotten the self dignity of themselves ,the so called liberal community think that they are alive just because USA and world do not want to kill them..oh common only Almighty God have the power to take life or give life.. all liberals try to get some self respect. think if USA announce the bounty for bal tahkrey's head.. or for example USA attack Israel for the bombing on thousands innocent Palestinian civilians no they don't dare to do so because those nations have there self respect they will not allow any other country to even said a word on there sovereignty. but what are we doing ??? Hafiz Saeed is Pakistani National ,USA should stop its interference whatever if it is Drone attacks, Baluchistan issue , Spying on Pakistan (Raymond Davis) , terrorist attacks like the Gilgit one. or Hafiz Saeed .
Sad day for pakistan, that it is once again in world news for all the wrong reasons. world thinks pakistan and its hafeez saeed type leaders are terrorists and thinking they have "atom bombs" and so can threaten the world esp India, israil and USA. There cant be a more dumber assessment. once the US has put a bounty on this terrorists head, its only a matter of time when he will be screwed. Begining of the end of JuD/Difa council/ Hafeez. Whether pakistan is hurtling to its own breakup, time will tell. However, whats sure is that Pakistan is sllowly painting themselves into a corner of isolation just like Iran and North Korea. Small countries like pakistan have no business demanding a seat on the High table of the big boys. Bravado is fine, but it leads to being utterly foolish!
Mr. Hafiz Saeed is a creation of America and Saudies. He studied in Saudia so called Jihad theories and armed, trained and financed by Americans. He has nothing to do with Pakistan. These are the people who are major reason of current Pakistan destruction. Better to hand him and likes him to America and Saudia to clean Pakitsan. Long live Islam and Pakistan.
Inner struggle with outer bloodshed. Got it.
All these radicals should get a country of their own in the Sahara Desert where they can practice their archaic and regressive brand of Islam and wear man dresses.
Somebody said why don't we deport them all to Afghanistan and I say they should all be deported to their mosques instead to learn the basic principles and pillars of Islam. Afghanistan does not need more of these zealots it has its hands full with the ones Pakistan already sent over there.
@narayana murthy: great scientist, statistician and researcher that you seem to be, I laughed so hard when i read your "findings" based upon comments. The religious parties SELDOM come to power here. They are routed in general elections. only 10% support extremism, in places like Swat that have seen the Taliban first hand they shudder at the thought of religious parties now. In Sindh the religious parties have no hold what so ever. Here is my findings. Our English dailies let you Indians post regularly and our commentators treat you with respect. It is the opposite i see in your dailies. So my findings are all Indians are hypocrites and lack basic sense of an arguer and debate. Kindly let us clean our own mess even if it takes us another 100 years. P.S I think Mr.Hafiz Saeed is a criminal but I think haters like you are even bigger ones.
If governemnt did not give basic needs to people and did not protect its citizen and gathering money by way of corruption then there is space of these powers like Hafiz Saeed.
Some people taunted HAfiz Saeed "charitable organization" people giving charity only those people which they trust and which they think they deliver.
Its USA fault to accelerate the pace of these orgaization by false blaming all peiple know concentrate of hafiz saeed saying.
Aid was provided only after other organizations aid was stolen at gunpoint or were threatened away. Children were stolen to become suicide bombers. These are your heroes @haris:
Yaida M :No need to educate Sayeed my friend, You need it. You cannot defend idiots like Sayeed.
Hammad mian : Has pakistan ever arrested and convicted terrorists ormurderers, Starting from the killing of Liaqat khan, Benazir bhutto, Saleem shaazad, Salman taseer, Shabaz batti, etc., These names belong to high profile people right at the top. If that is the status of investigation and judicial trials, the lesser you say about pakistan's police and judicial system, the better it is. On this ground alone, India cannot expect any thing useful from Pakistan, Musharaff knew this better., That is why he handed over all those terror monsters and Pearl killers to USA without a trial and court proceedings. (That includes your dear sister Dr Afia as well who is rotting in US prison for her involvement with AQ). Nothing would have come out of it if he had tried to prosecute them in Pakistan itself. Any reason why Pakistan chose not to question Dawood Gilani in US which India did and came out more knowledgeable on terrorism in Pakistan.
“Jihad means Inner Spiritual Struggle. what Hafiz Saeed essentially saying is, he is asking everyone to wage a inner spiritual struggle against America.”““This is the same jihad which caused the USSR to break and now America is failing because of it. Analysts and journalists don’t realise why America is failing, the only reason is jihad.”
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.....
leave us hafiz dnt make fun on our innocents. ur action ll damage lot of people who are in abroad. aid person u people want to show follower of islam. plz yeh drama band kro. we want live with peace
@Nasir: My Dear you are already on road to Stone Ages by the grace of Musharaf, Zardari .... etc.
Mr. Saeed carries with him the burden of partition - as proven by his vitriolic stand against India. He will take all of Pakistan down with him in his fight against India.
Can't Hafiz Saeed keep his mouth shut for some time? Here we are trying to defend him and he is calling for a Jihad against Americans !! These people need a proper education first.
@azam: No, Jihad is to strive or struggle in the way of Allah.
@azam: No, Jihad is to strive or struggle in the way of Allah
@RIZwan who writes "If a child cries in India, his mother says “Stop crying, or Hafiz Saeed will come and get you!” :D"
Aaah! Looks like you admire him. Today, Pakistan is a failed state, only because of people like you.
Hammad Mian : Read the news again > Sayeed says the time to fight has come. Sayeed has fully justified the bounty offered by US.
This was probably an extremely poor choice of words.
@Nabeel: For Pakistan it's impossible.
Propaganda piece. You will never see this (shown below) news report on ET:
Hafiz Saeed helping de-radicalise militants, says official
http://dawn.com/2012/04/06/hafiz-saeed-helping-de-radicalise-militants-says-official/
@Cautious: Dear Cautious, The Americans are easy to dislike aren't they. For a country which used to pride itself on Public Relations and the ability to sell a product they do appear to be going out of their way lately to put people, in other countries, offside with them. Having said that Hafiz Saeed should probably tone things down a little. The U.S. is a dangerous country and they do not have any trouble with murdering people.
@narayana murthy: Whoever said that ET represented all of Pakistan. The fact is that its readers are comparatively more liberal than most other newspapers in Pakistan who have a greater following. That's why I would advice you to check other newspapers. If the views of most Pakistanis are different than yours, it doesn't mean that Pakistan is moving towards an end-point.
By openly inciting violence and calling for jihad against the USA Hafeez Sayeed is positioning himself more securely in the cross hairs of the US. One day his big mouth and false bravado will be the cause of his demise. And that day may not be too far off.
this repeated ranting has resulted in rework for dictionary makers. They've decided to put terrorism as a synonym for charity.
@Hammad Mian: jihad is terrorism
If a child cries in India, his mother says "Stop crying, or Hafiz Saeed will come and get you!" :D
@gp65: well said. Pakistan has not convicted any talibans either. Moreover when people like Hafeez stay in Pakistan---it is even better because they do things which rivals of Pakistan want: 1. They get Pakistan back to stone age by their foolish version of islam 2. They create more Hafeez Saeeds. So go ahead and defend Hafeez Saeeds, Osamas and Aq Khans. They are real models. Pervez Hoodboy has said either way Pakistan is loosing.If Hafeez is convicted he will create a wreck on Pakistan society. If he is left alone.. he is even more dangerous for young children of Pakistan. Yes for those morons mad about religion...islam is winning but Pakistan is gone.
Pakistan is protecting all these terrorists,now China has issued statement,, Wanted Militants Use Nearby Countries to Stage Attacks pointing Pakistan indirectly. China has repeatedly said that Islamic terrorists who strike in Uighur areas were trained in Pakistan.So where Pakistan is heading?Pakistani Army and other agencies needs to arrest all these terrorists,otherwise Pakistan will face attacks from many countries.
@gp65: Whole Sindhi (and most of English) media supports religious tolerance and liberal version of Pakistan. Since you dont follow local media, that's why, your opinions are limited to what you see.
Yes because US is not giving them Dollars, so a war against them until they restart paying money. He will fight with America having a pistol in hand....talk sense dude...21st century it is.
@Indian: how many culprits have been brought to justice in India ?
Call for jihad! mmmmmmm in order to engage in physical warfare with Americans, you need sincere and visionary leadership. Its not impossible to defeat the Americans though the liberals would have us lick their toes till the world ends.
Current political and military leadership has too many stake tied with this American way of life. Their inferiority complex has made them intellectual slaves of the west.
@MyHeartSpeaks: Before making judgement I want you to know that my Father served in the Pak Airforce and My grandfather served in the Pak Army, My brother in law and Father in Law also served in the Pak Army. (Both my father and grandfather had beards) So please do lecture me on patriotism or beards. But what I do hear and see on a daily basis is the extremist Mullah being allowed to prosper in pakistan , I see them being allowed to teach hate in Madrassa's, I see murderers of ministers being showered with rose petals , and I see the extremist mullahs who was against the very creation of Pakistan being allowed to manipulate young children to commit suicide in the name of my religion. This is not the Islam of our beloved holy prophet taught us. Islam has been hijacked in pakistan and although it may not bother you it does bother me a LOT!
Indians should actually support Hafiz Saeed! He will single handedly destroy Pakistan without a single bullet fired by the Indians!! So, the Indians can cut their defense budget by 75% and use the left-over money to "donate" to JuD and Saeed.
He says he condemns the Mumbai attacks and had no hand in it and only runs a charity. I would like to believe him.
But when he continues inciting hate and war in his speeches with other known notorious Pakistani extremists and terrorists, like L-e-J members such as Malik Ishaq, and earlier prayed Jannazah to Osama Bin Laden, a known Al Qaeda terrorist who while hiding himself encouraged bombings, even of women and children, and has a well known militant history in Kashmir being head of an illegal organization, I believe he's quite hypocritical and dishonest about how far and deep his extremism goes.
Besides the public display of conservative rightwing extremists, here is another micro example of the intolerance and terrorism blowback we suffer since US/Zia's USSR war.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/360736/taliban-blow-up-girls-school-in-mohmand/
@liberalpak: You ask: "What about of millions of people in Pakistan who reject all religious parties in Elections."
4-5 years ago, I also used to believe that. Religious parties may not win elections substantially. But the problem is that mainstream political political parties have now started to believe that joining hands with religious parties is a sure way to win elections. See prominent presence of PML-N's in this latest protests and sermons Hafiz Saeed's. See also the presence of PTI in DCP rallies. The boys in the Aalu Anday song had a placard: PTI = Good Looking Jamat e Islami.
Added to this is that the Judiciary has also become religiously radicalized. Showering of rose petals on Quadri, Sau-moto action on lady found with alcohol, etc. Even the Parliament has become religiously radicalized. Funeral prayer for the slain Governor was rejected but OBL declared martyr and honored with funeral prayer.
Parents who teach excessive religion to their children should rethink how radicalized their children would end up in the future. I recall a line from the Pakistani movie Kudha Ke Liya. The grandmother comments when the recently radicalized son in a progressively minded Pakistani family insists that his mother should start wearing Burka, the question in her days was when Munni (young girl) shall start to wear Burkha (veil) but now the question is when Ammi (mother) shall start wearing Burkha. Everyone in Pakistan realize that times have changed. Some accept, some don't.
@malik: I quote you: "Jihad means Inner Spiritual Struggle. So, what Hafiz Saeed essentially saying is, he is asking everyone to wage a inner spiritual struggle against America."
Few excerpts from Hafiz Saeed's fiery Friday Sermons are:
(1) “Come to us. We will teach you the meaning of jihad… The time to fight has come.”
(2) “There are many parties in Pakistan, but America has only sent a message to Jamaatud Dawa, because we do jihad.”
(3) " .......Then, we will not come to you with guns................”
It does not appear to be "Jihad" as you have explained.
@Hammad Mian: "**ALL INDIANS
You guys have been sending us the dossiers consist of 300-400 pages based on fake allegations. nothing could be proved against Hafiz Saeed so far. Our Supreme court has already cleared him from the charges you put upon him. Now what the problem with you guys?**
Your supreme court has not convicted any TTP terrorists either. This is what your own army and ISI are complaining about. According to them laws of evidence are outdated, witnesses get intimidated or killed, judges get threats etc. hence not a single terrorist has been convicted even in cases like GHQ attack. SO it is not surprising that in such a country India's dossiers did not result in convicting Hafiz Saeed. The problem is not with data provided by India. Problem is with your law and order system's inability to convict terrorists.
@liberalpak: "What about of millions of people in Pakistan who reject all religious parties in Elections. Religious parties hardly get any seats. Pakistanis may have emotional touch towards their religion but they are not insane to follow every Mulla blindly"
You may be correct but the more crazy variety seem to be holding the more reasonable people hostage, witness the rose petals on Qadri, the fact that the judge convicting Qadri had to flee Pakistan, Hazara Shias getting target kiled, forced cnversion and marriage of Hindu girls. Every society has some fringe elements (so does india from where I hail). But it is the response to such behaviors from civil sociaty that tells us how moderate/liberal that society is. No doubt there are some people (Najam Sethi, Nadeem Paracha etc.) who speak out against such acts but the number is really small.
@malik: "Jihad means Inner Spiritual Struggle.
So, what Hafiz Saeed essentially saying is, he is asking everyone to wage a inner spiritual struggle against America. Remember he is a philanthropist and heads a charity organization. "
Seriously? He has explained very clearly what his idea of jihad is, so we do not need to guess what he meant. This is what he said "“This is the same jihad which caused the USSR to break and now America is failing because of it"
Stop defending the indefensible
@Mawali: "The question is whether his interpretation of jihad against America is meant by a struggle against and a boycott or the more sinister kind.
I would advice the Pakistan foreign office to ask for a clarification"
It is pretty clear what type of jihad he meant. Let us review his own words "“This is the same jihad which caused the USSR to break and now America is failing because of it. Analysts and journalists don’t realise why America is failing, the only reason is jihad.”
What do you think he meant. Did Pakistanis boycott Soviet goods in the 80s or actually sent armed non-state actors to fight in Afghanistan?
@shadytree: "Its funny what he is talking about the jihad against USSR that broke it up. That jihad was entirely supported by US money, Saudi fighters and Israeli weapons..
Jihad should be towards the problems that we are facing right now like gas crisis, electricity crises, corruption crisis and etc crisis. "
As long as there are level headed Pakistanis like you who resist this 'tkae panga with the world' mentality of your establishment and its assets, thereis hope that Pakistan will soon be on path of progress which it has temporarily got off. Good luck. May your tribe increase.
"“America should leave Pakistan and Afghanistan peacefully. Then, we will not come to you with guns but will instead invite you to Islam.” " How can anyone doubt that Hafiz Saeed runs only a charity when he says such peceful words? No attempt to initimidate here is there?
@Hammad Mian: They just cant bear the truth! If Bal Thackaray is speaking against Pak, Raw funding TTP, BLA or Indian Army killing Kashmiris its okay for them, but if Zaid Hamid or Hafiz Saeed point their deeds out they cant bear it and they must be punished.
My Pakistani brothers and sisters - never seem to learn from history - the same mistakes are being made again and again - with respect to hailing people as heroes who ultimately turn into villains .
There is no doubt that JuD does charity work ( the Indians will agree with that too ), but we must focus on what is their intent and how they intend to carry out those intensions.
People who are saying that JUD provided relief after the Earthquake, floods etc need to reallize that just because they provided relief doesnt mean they can send terrorists to other countries that go and kill people.
Pablo Escobar who was a cocaine drug lord in Columbia also developed a large part of the country using the drug money he earned as well as opposed US foriegn policy in South America. Does it make him into some charitable person. At the end of the day he was a drug lord who killed innocent people. JUD might do relief work but that doesnt change the fact that it is a front for LeT and has sent its so called freedom fighters into India and Afghanistan and killed innocent civilians.
Educated people need to wake up and stop defending him otherwise this is the beginning of the end for Pakistan as we know it. Just because he opposes US foriegn policy doesnt give him the free reign to be a terrorist. I oppose US foriegn policy aswell but I will never justify the killing of innocent civilians even if they are from a so called enemy land. We need to lose this stoneage mentality of imposing Jihad everywhere.
Hafeez Saeed is not fighting for Islam or Pakistan, he is destroying both of them.
@liberalpak: Inshallah, your words are correct.
@Hammad Mian: Your Court needs to be provided with proper charge sheet and Indian charges are not acceptable in your court. Never believe that it was a complete trial, when he has not been properly charge sheeted. Anybody with a little knowledge on Law will understand that the chances of conviction depends on the facts complied in the charge sheet. When Government wants to keep him in good humor and get his support, how can any court prove his guilt?These people were assets for your Government until recently and may be now also for their anti-India stand. How can the Government disown them all on a sudden!
@Hammad Mian: how many culprits have been brought to justice in Pakistan ! Not a single person put into jail and violence is still going on
**ALL INDIANS
You guys have been sending us the dossiers consist of 300-400 pages based on fake allegations. nothing could be proved against Hafiz Saeed so far. Our Supreme court has already cleared him from the charges you put upon him. Now what the problem with you guys?**
@Pragmatist: This is just a warning shot from the US. You think that the Americans are going to pay the 10 million to anyone. They will say no one came forward so now we will handle the issue American style! And I don't have to tell you what that entails!
@Brajanarayan:
Who told you that Pakistan is marching fast towards dangerous point. A group of 500 people marching in Lhr with slogans of extremist and Aljihad make u feel worried? What about of millions of people in Pakistan who reject all religious parties in Elections. Religious parties hardly get any seats. Pakistanis may have emotional touch towards their religion but they are not insane to follow every Mulla blindly.
Utter nonsense - why are such individuals allowed to make hate speeches. It appears they have no understanding of Jihad or for that matter the religion themselves. These are the very people who are the worst enemies of Islam. Instead of being productive for the country, they end up making purposeless statements, inciting people to violance leading to loss of innocent lives and destruction of valuable assets of a poor country. These people should be rounded up and sent to a jail where they are taught the peaceful religion of Islam by a certified Islamic scholar and than given basic education so that they come out of their pathetic ideology and understand the values of hard work, positive contribution to society through use of knowledge and skills. This might help win respect for themselves and the nation by being exemplary citizens.
Having said that what the Americans are trying to do in Hafiz Saeed's case is nothing less than bizzare. How can one offer money for evidence - are we trying to buy evidence and if this is the case would it be admissable in any court? What kind of justice is this, it is plain ridiculous and appears another scheme from them to stir up emotions in Pakistan and cause further trouble....shame on them too in this case.
Pakistan is marching fast forward towards a dangerous end-point. When a country can not assert its authority over its lawless citizens, where individuals are free to declare war ( no matter it is holy or unholy) ,where various organs of state are in war, where state can not protect its citizens from being hit by foreign bombardments and where there is nothing called law and order as in Karachi...Its all hopeless state of affairs. It is already a dysfunctional state. But the still darker side of the story is that very few sane voices available are recklessly suppressed or they are wiped out through gunshots. It is now up to the Almighty because no human power can save Pakistan! Pakistanis must do Jihad on themselves to get rid of these menaces. That is the God's wish and also the only wish from a friendly neighbor, who cherish them to live in a peaceful and productive state.
Jihad means Inner Spiritual Struggle.
So, what Hafiz Saeed essentially saying is, he is asking everyone to wage a inner spiritual struggle against America. Remember he is a philanthropist and heads a charity organization.
It's greatly inspiring and uplifting to see someone doing inner spiritual struggle.
Something about the JuD and the DPC just does not sit right. All the bluster, because that is what it is, appears fabricated. This certainly can not be good for Pakistan
@Arif Mirza: Islam also teaches to raise your voice against cruelty. That is not the only duty of Mullas. Liberal extremists should stand by them too.
US adminstration is not going to be pleased by his open challenge to them. The amount of bounty this guy carries on his head vis-a-vis his free movement, CIA would get him eliminated by one of his faithful.
@Evidence: He called for Jihad, not Terrorism.
You probably are part of the tyrants, who hate humaaity and anybody who has different point of view than yours. Build some tolerance, as Islam is based on tolerance and acceptance of differenent point of views, religions, skin color and ethnicities!
Arif
@shazia khan:
Let alone JuD provided shelter and feed more than 5000 people in a week after the Oct2005 Earthquake. In war striped Swat and devastated areas after Northern part of the country after the flood carnage, JuD stepped up and helped homeless and indigenous population while our Dear leader was on Euro trip. Who do you think is 'dangerous'? Ask yourself if you are one of the affectee did you or did you not accept any help from JuD?
If yes, then don't say anything more on it. If No, then please don't make a fool of yourself.
By declaring Jihad, he has justified America's $10m bounty.
Is this speech not the evidence against him?
Change your name in Pakistan and you suddenly transform from terrorist to charity worker -- then you open your mouth and it becomes abundantly clear who you really are. Once a hate monger always a hate monger.
Jihad is already in progress in Afghansitan. Hafiz Sahib should move to Afghanistan or Tribal areas with his supports and set an example of what he says, he means it too.
Hafiz Saeed may be a terrorist(though not proved untill now) but the accusers isn't any saint either.
The fact that the Us sees him as a threat is in itself something great. I think that all true lovers of Pakistan and Islam should side with him on this issue as this case is bigger than some of the issues or differences we might have with him. However, this does not mean that our differences are not valid. Now is the time for Unity.
Its funny what he is talking about the jihad against USSR that broke it up. That jihad was entirely supported by US money, Saudi fighters and Israeli weapons..
Jihad should be towards the problems that we are facing right now like gas crisis, electricity crises, corruption crisis and etc crisis. World report shows that in 2050, India will take over China and US as the worlds largest economy and here we are being "Moon kay comando" karna karana kuch hai nahin, Sirf bakwaas karni aati hai hum pakistani ko.
Loves $$$$, But Hate USA Double standard People. . . . .?????
One man's terrorist is an another man's terrorist too
hafiz saeed zinda bad who's against american and indian terrorism in afghanistan,iraq,syria,chechnia,urdstan russian states,india,phylastine,bahgdad,kashmir and in pakistan and saeed mostly against anti-islam.muslims have not any land of inch occupy in the world for the sake of islam but america----india------israil------------ u better know that america is all time greatest terrorist in the world.
"Calls for a jihad against America. Gives speeches where he and other JuD leadership ask to kill Indians and yet JuD is a charity. Yeah. Totally believe him."
Such an organization may not be charity for other people, but for Pakistanis it is. Saeed Hafiz is a respectable man.
He's making a mockery of the US. Good for him. I wish him all the best.
DPC is another hoax from religious mindset to treason the innocent and guileless Pakistani people.
this statement coming from the "saint" head of a "charitable" organisation??
then i guess either of the two or both words can be replaced by "terrorist"
I am sure our foreign office will still deny Hafiz is involved in any violence if though he himself admits to that.
"“There are many parties in Pakistan, but America has only sent a message to Jamaatud Dawa, because we do jihad.”" Oh so you admit that you are not just a harmless charity?
"“This is the same jihad which caused the USSR to break and now America is failing because of it. Analysts and journalists don’t realise why America is failing, the only reason is jihad.”"
But JuD did not exist in the 80s. It was LeT. So you agree that there is a link between LeT and JuD then?
Hafiz Saeed is a respectable man and he should understand the international scanrio and problems of Pakistan that we are facing today. He should not speak controversial things and not announce Jihad individualy. Pak army is there to fight with foreign forces. He should use his influence by teaching youth the real meanings of Jihad. He should not give a change to the US and the other world, that they can point fingure on him. I really respect Hafiz Saeed.
@shazia khan, please point out his alleged crimes.
@shazia khan: Do you have some concrete evidence to your claim?
Calls for a jihad against America. Gives speeches where he and other JuD leadership ask to kill Indians and yet JuD is a charity. Yeah. Totally believe him.
Hope you still left with some Jihadi Dollars given to you during 'Afghan Fasad'.!!
yawn.
@Islamist:
Anyone who has got Pakistan in trouble more than once, like Hafiz Saeed has, how is he pro-Pakistan?
Why does every moulvi who gets some attention starts to talk about jihad? Is Islam just jihad. As if we have gotten rid of all other ills in the society.
Everyone here is getting offended by the word JIHAD. If we just abandon the idea of fighting US because they are super powers, that's cowardice. They are going to catch us anyway, how long we will escape?
America is killer of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans, is their blood so cheap that we cant atleast throw a few words at US?
I hope somebody close to Hafiz comes up with clinching evidence soon. US citizenship for himself and his family and 100 crore Pakistani rupees to enjoy the rest of his life !! They used this tactic against the drug lords in South America and the mafia. Eventually some disgruntled aide will produce the evidence.
@shazia khan: Ironically all Criminals are "Very Dangerous" btw.
Freedom of expression for everyone. Liberals should sit back and relax.
Hafiz Saeed is among the pro-Pakistan Islamists! The liberals need to realize that if they do continue with their indiscriminate mocking of the Islamists, it will only benefit their cause since they are not just pro-militancy, they are also the biggest source of charity in this country (while the charitable ventures by the liberals are not significant enough).
Its time that a clear distinction is done between the pro Pakistan and anti Pakistan Islamists.
Hafiz Saeed is a very dangerous criminal
too less?
"Such steps are forcing Muslims towards guns". Which guns you want now. Already you are fighting with cannons. With 500 participants and torching of flag does not reflect the peaceful community of Pakistanis. For God sake have some wisdom and do not take this country to complete destruction lest history start blaming you moulivis as a lot which caused the ultimate damage of the country.
pakistanis will argue these are charity organizations and the guns they are asking are actually tools to plough land for agriculture..
These pathetic individuals want to take pakistan beck into the stone ages. Why don't we just deport them all to Afghanistan
They are themselves the product of the 80s dollar jihad
We love you DPC! Anyone who opposes your agenda should be put on a ship to India or wherever else. Anyone who is a traitor to Islam and Pakistan should have their citizenship revoked and left in the desert to fend for themselves. Anyone who thinks Pakistan is a secular nation should be tried for high treason and then strapped to the Nato tankers heading to Afanistan to catch a ride from their bases to wherever they want to go.
God bless Pakistan.