Express News screengrab of a Frontier Corps spokesperson displaying some of the material recovered during the raid.
A Baloch student had reportedly taken over a hostel in the college and a Frontier Corps (FC) spokesperson claims he was brainwashing students to conduct acts of terrorism in the country.
The recovered material included separatist leaflets, banners and posters. The books include Nehru and Gandhi’s biographies as well as books about Baloch separation. The books were printed in Karachi and neighbouring countries.
The Frontier Corps had conducted the raid after receiving a tip about the operation. No arrests were made and the student in question fled before the FC arrived.
The FC handed the investigation into the hostel over to the police and more raids will be conducted in the area.
Child tortured
On January 12, the tortured and bullet-riddled body of a 10-year-old was found in Turbat. The victim’s elder brother is a campaigner for the Baloch separatist movement, according to sources.
A Baloch Student Organisation Azad spokesperson accused security agencies of being behind the incident. Security agencies have denied charges of involvement in any illegal detention or dumping of bodies.
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@MJ:
Sir, your story only proves my theory that most conflicts in the world are caused due to the cultural divide. India and Pakistan which suffered migration of people uprooted more or less integrated communities and this is what is occurring todate. Mind you, this is no different in other parts of the world either.
Rex Minor
@Ex Indian: @Pakistani:
No, I do not know how the wadera culture works, but it certainly doe not exist in air, and if accepted by the locals, why must you squawk? Army does not get a high either by making the lives of people either, but the army has no business to follow the practice of the colonialists eithed. Theirs is not the task of policing nor are they trained for this job. They have caused the separation of Bangla Desh and are on their way to causing the separation of KPK and Baluchistan. Remember, what does not belong to one another can not grow together either. The trees do not grow in the sky.
Rex Minor
@yajsingh ... There were 15% Muslims living in what WAS Pakistan, i.e. including the present Bangladesh. Go to the website of Pakistan Hindu Council and check the current figures. There are currently 7 million Hindus living in Pakistan (close to 6% of total pops.) I grew up in Sindh and I know so many successful Hindu traders, doctors, lawyers, judges etc. and contrary to propaganda, they are not oppressed. Oppression can however be found meted out to the poor in the country whether they be non-Hindus or not.
It all depends on what is the source of your history books but the fact is that there were many time more Muslims killed in what is now India than Hindus killed in what is now Pakistan. Just in Hyderabad more than 40,000 Muslims were killed in 1948 (a year after partition!!). If you don't believe me then check Nehru's own report on the fact finding mission.
Pakistan's record of terror is not great but Bharat's is nothing to be proud of as well. Check with the Sikh community that is settled all over the world. Also Bangladesh atrocities were not just done by Pakistan's army. Read the unbiased books written by Bengali writers themselves about how ruthless was Mukti Bahini.
@Rex Minor: What freedom of speech are you talking about. When a girl says something about shiv sina leader who died she is arrested and threatened. Even though what she said was totally harmless. We have a very free media and people in Pakistan have full freedom to say whatever they can against the political parties and that is called freedom of speech. Not reading and distributing anti state pamphlets.
@Pakistani
Have you some specific problems with waderas? I thought we were talking about God forsaken Pakistan military who are imposing restriction on peoples freedom on what they should or should not reads and what they express or should not express, despite you being on Express Tribune which is allowing us to freely express our views. You reckon that the people of Balochistan are somewhat inferior to others in Pakistan?
Rex Minor
@Umer: Just goes to show you that the minority of criminals who have this anti state agenda are fully funded and supported by India. The majority of Baluch are pro Pakistani as my relatives in Quetta will tell you but a minority of criminals won't change anything - no matter how much money and Nehru books India gives them! Good work by authorities.
@Ali: And historian claim that Quaid's speech consists of liberalism and secularism.
@nadir Baloch You would never call a "Baloch" a "Balochi" if you were from Balochistan. Grow up
listen kids i am from balochistan and let me tell you i dont want separate state for balouchis. i love pakistan and want pakistan to remain united. as far as rights are concerned, our province is blessed with everything MA. if there is anything i would need, i can get anything on my own, i dont need to beg the government to give me rights. nor do i need to snatch anything nor demand for a separate state. separating balochistan will do greater harm to balochistan. theer are only few seaparatist mindset people in balochistan who shoudl be hanged.
The vast majority of the Baloch want to remain part of Pakistan.It is true that they have been marginalized in the past the matter is being rectified as we speak. To compare the situation in Balochistan with that of Kashmir is ridiculous. There are no mass graves and no systematic and deliberate mechanisms to torture and rape the civilian population as in Kashmir. The acts being perpetrated in Balochistan are those of a few individuals trying to gain leverage for their own ends
I rest my case with this " Long Live Baluchistan. Salute to the proud Mothers who gave the Baluch people such Brave Sons".
Unfortunately, as a result of the prolonged military rule in the country there has not been an effective political leadership at the National level in Pakistan. Today you have Sharif Brothers who are the business leaders in Punjab, Imran Khan, the cricketer cum politician who feels comfortable in his opposition role and this is it- This ofcourse leaves the entire field to an incompetent but well organised military in the land which has the monopoly of the weaponry as well as suppotive industry and business network, which, thanks to Parvez Musharaf, has allocated themselves the military role in KPK and Balochistan.
Is it too much to expect from the current Prime Minister to bring the numerous military brass under control and relieve them of their domestic duties, that they were trained for in the ancient napolianic style of rule of armed soldiers over the unarmed citizens? Some one should, othewrise the civil war is in the making, taking into account the events in Egypt and Turkey.
Rex Minor
@Nasrat Baloch: Nothing wrong unless it is combined with separatist literature and there is no Jinnah in the context.
@AK47: Not Baluchistan,state of kalat which is equal to half the state of Israel.Baluchistan itself has not independent history of its own.it is demographically separated in Afghanistan,Iran and Pakistan.
@An Ex Pakistani: If India did really not accept partition on the basis of religion (or the religion of the majority in a region) then, how to you explain the Indian takeover of Junagadh and Hyderabad?. Both states were Muslim ruled but had a Hindu majority. Both taken over by armed action. Junagardh had a plebiscite held and Hyderabad was promised one by Indian government, but it never happened. Kashmiris are still waiting for their right to vote.
So according to Indian logic, if a princely state was ruled by Muslim Nawabs but had Hindu majority population, then it of course belongs to India. Also if a state was ruled by Hindu Raja but had Muslim majority population, it still belongs to India??
"chit bhi meri pat bhi meri anta mere baap ka"
@shae mureed: The reason for discontent in Balochistan is because of absence of democracy in that province. Even now the presence of Army indicates that come what may, the province cannot have its own say in running its affairs. Remove the Military and let the people have a say. Sooner the better. In short stop Military operations and send the army to the barracks where it rightly belongs.
Dear all, champions of freedom, Indian should start giving seperation the all STATS it annexed, because they there RULERS were first promised they will keep there Rajas but after time they where way out there Rajs, to start with India should give indipendance to KASHMIR,
There is always a legal way if you want separation. This is how Pakistan came into being.
@All Those in Love with India and Indian Literature: Yup, there is nothing wrong with reading those autobiographies and such content is freely available over the internet. I only have to say that all those rules that are applied by different people commenting above to Pakistan, aren't the same applicable to India then?
@Baluchistan was forcibly annexed to Pakistan.......
What do you say about Hyderaba (Deccan), Junagarh and Jammu & Kashmir. Hyderabad decided neither to go with India or Pakistan and it maintained that status untill M.A. Jinnah died; Within 48 hours of Jinnah's death, Indians took over that state and their Army stated that this operation was like a police operation against criminals. Surf the internet and newspaper cuttings are available there that certify this action the day Father of the Nation died.
Much have been written and said about the creation of Bangladesh. A lot of exaggeration is made about 1971 events in East Pakistan by both sides and history has to reveal it's truths. yet.
Demand for a separate state. This should be the weapon of the last resort. It is sad that Pakistanis elsewhere turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed in Balochistan, Swat and Northern Pakistan. Whenever there is a demand for a state, the Military operations take place. When will we realise that Military operations are not the answer. It creates problems. It is sad to note that Balochistan, Swat have been the center of State atrocities. It is because of these actions by the Government that such demands are raised. Those affected should unite against the state and demand fair treatment. This is the only solution
@Umer: How did pakistan seperate from India? both countries, pakistan and india, were new nation states born out of the dissolution of the british empire which existed in south asia/indian subcontinent. the Indian subcontinent is NOT synonomous with India. Also balochistan agreed to accede to the new nation state of Pakistan, therefore this current anti pakistan behaviour by a minority, albiet sizeable population of balochees is anti state activity and should be treated as such.
Surprised that torture and murder of a ten year old has not shocked too many readers .
Aslam and Still Pakistani, you have got that wrong. India never accepted division of people by religion. That is why they are right to reject the separation of Kashmir on religious basis.
In Balochistan religion was never the issue. Balochistan did not want to be part of Pakistan. Today also more and more people are coming forward openly asking for separation from Pakistan. Pakistan is not our land. Our land is not Pakistani land. We are not Pakistanis.
@Anjum Arshi:
you have no idea, very recently in 2013....15 States ( Texas was one of them ) had submitted to be made a separate state through submission of million signatures in total.....& this news was blacked out the same day....if this situation was in Pakistan....media would be churning breaking news overtime till these 15 States got independence....
@Omer: Have you ever been to Balochistan or just calling shots from your drawing room.
I am a Punjabi, let me first clarify. And I think if they want to, they should be allowed to separate. It is better that we live in separate countries if that means peace and therefore complete focus on development. Maybe we can also set an example for India to follow in Kashmir.
@Last Word
Let America go.....And you will know what will Afghanistan do to India ....... Pakistan and Afghanistan has seen its days of instability now it's someone else turn .......
Did you forget Abdali's Suri's Ghazanavi's and Ghauri's
Unstable Pak and Af is in the interest of India
first agencies should collect proofs then should on-air on media then should arrest accused ,but this is not a solid proof for catching them that before our arrival they fled and we shall take action against them.
I wasn't aware there was a biography of Nehru - but Nehru did write a number of books including A discovery of India - and I am trying to understand how reading Louis Fisher's biography of Gandhi would provoke anyone to secede?
No politics and religious preaching in an educational institute. period
@Faraz:
This is what Muslim League did too when they were running Pakistan Movement. They got students involved too. How can it be wrong? Those who consider it wrong are demonstrating double standards; one rule for themselves and another for Baluchis.
btw who would allow these separatists in Parliament? Remember what they did to Akber Bugti, among others?
Once you follow the path of Gandhi, the victory is around the corner.
Gandhi's message will change one's soul irreversibly. It'll also melt hearts in world capitals.
This guy wasnt having a free debate in parliament over the seperation. He was brainwashing the students. This is considered treason to the country and is strictly punishable!
Okay. So i have Gandhi's biography. Am i on the wanted list of the state?
Independent balochistan Zindabad...Let Americans leave from Afghanistan in 2014, India and Afghanistan will extend full support for liberation of balochistan from clutches of peekistan.
FC force should be integrated into Pakstan Army. responsible for the country*s defense against foreign enemy and not act as an expeditionary force for the Americans from whom they have received free delivery of vehicles. THis force was created by the Brits from the local tribesmen to fight tribes which were attacking Btritish outposts in the tribal territory. Since when is it a crime in a democracy to seek a separate independent rule in ones territory? Stop the Pakistan army outrage in the country and the downhill march of Pakistan will stop.
Rex Minor
Did these mighty FC officials make any comment about the torture and killing of the 10 year old? Was the map recovered from him? The events are a replication of 1970s. Seems like Pakistan Army has not learnt anything from its past and is using decades old tried and failed manuals.
@ishrat salim: If any US state was dissatisfied with the federation (let alone suffered at the hands of the federation and its armed forces as Balochistan has suffered), not only it will be justified in getting independence, it will get it through US constitution.
@Ali: stupid answer
The recovery of anti-Pakistan literature without anyone being arrested is a staged drama to justify the presence and operations of FC in the Area.
Important news is the abduction and murder of a ten year old killed allegedly by secret agency. The discovery of literature is a drama to justify abductions and tortured bodies...
@Aslam:
What are your views about Occupied Baluchistan?
@AK47: I think you wrong wrote Baluchistan... you should have written Kashmir...
Pakistan is a dangerous country and its security forces are responsible for making it so. If someone reads Gandhi, he's a criminal. If someone slaughters innocents in the name of the religion, he's a stakeholder.
We need Azadi . Fight against this oppression .
its a matter need a careful and deliberate discussion. why these people are demanding for separate state? and moreover, this time young educated and enlightened class is demanding for freedom and leading this movement. this time tribal heads are not leading insurgency. this is something dangerous for national integrity because this class is more dangerous and have revolutionary and separatist belief rather than led by a chief for his personal interests. this problem must be solved by giving provincial autonomy to the community with all basic rights. if balochistan remains chaotic it may be they wont succeed in creation of a free balochistan but it will hamper not only balochistan but also rest of Pakistan's economic and social progress. thus those who are intended to save Pakistan and are on the helm of affairs and want it a flourishing country then development projects should be moved towards balochistan and maximum jobs should be given to baloch youth so they may not join such movements in despise.
Deja Vu, Jinnahpur anyone?
Nehru and Ghandi were two great statesman and visionary leaders, there is nothing wrong with learning these kinds of literature and history. if you (pakistani brothers) had learned authentic history you would have surely understood the problem of the people of Balochistan. actually Balochistan was forcefully annexed with Pakistan by the Pakistani Military. The Baloch people never wanted to be a part of Pakistan merely on the basis of religion. There is nothing religious and and according to Islamic injunctions in Pakistan. We have nothing to do with Pakistan, The Baloch People are not wrong if they want their own State Back, They dont want anything from u people. live your own life and we wish you best of luck for that and support for our freedom and we will have friendly relations after our freedom. we have every right to struggle for our freedom as the other nations do like palestine, kashmir and kurdistan to mention few.
@Moby:
Again? I thought you wanted Pakistan? Not happy with it? It’s OK if you want to do it if you think Pakistan is a failure.
There is nothing wrong in having biographies of Nehru and Gandhi! That doesn't make them lessor Pakistanis!
Now what that suppose to mean cant a person read about different personalities?
Family members some time have problems. It don,t mean that they hate one another. By sitting together they always solve their. Love to all Pakistani. Live long Pakistan and it,s all people of different culture and nationalities
@ishrat salim:
Constitution is the opinion of ruling, and often oppressive, group and it cannot trump the right of self-determination of a people. Palestinians for one will cease to have right of freedom if we are to follow Israeli constitution.
@Umer: What are your views about Indian Occupied Kashmir and many states of India that want to get separated?
We need to stop bashing our neighbouring countries and resolve internal conflicts and issues. Balochistan and its people deserve to be treated with equality and to start with a bit more than equality. Any crap separatist movement incited by any neighbouring country will only evolve further if we are weak internally and justice does not prevail.
What right Pakistan had to talk of Kashmir when it denies freedom to Balochistan?
As an Indian, one of my life's dreams is to visit K'rachi. K'rachi sounds like an awesome place, better than any Indian city.
Why Muslim Baloch are interested in the biography of hindu Gandhi and Nehru ?
I am from a village called chak 44A- behind chak 12L in northern punjab and I want right to self detemination. We want to be a part of baluchistan, I want our neighbourhood to be declared a country.
I will be its first general, and we will have a pm too, democratically elected, rest assured!
@Ali: Baluchistan was forcefully acceded to Pakistan wasn't initially part of Pakistan.
@Umer:
As per your logic/ theory...USA has 52 states and all states would start campaign for a separate state....Indian could do same....such thinking is found only with people like you....
Act of such people from Baluchistan is against the very creation of the State of Pakistan....any demand will create a base for all to seek separate state...and the end of the State of Pakistn......that is what you want ?
literature (with love) from india!
@Ali: Pakistan came in to existence for the Muslims of subcontinent but this concept ended when borders are closed for Indian Muslims and later on Bangladesh came in to existence. Do not be too selfish. Either give them there due rights and if you can not than they have every right to create there own state as Bangladesh did. And even on your own children you can not impose what you want. We all are human beings and we have to respect other persons feeling as well.
Neighbouring countries? So ET you are afraid to name them because it will annoy your beloved friends?
@Umer: If you a little idea about a ''state'' then you say that ''what is wrong with that''.
@Umer: Then start it from your own family, if you or your brother is not willing to live with your parents. Why your parents insist them to be part of the family.The answer is very simple. Because they own them & do not want to loose them. We have taken pakistan on the basis of Religion.
Hello, someone called "Incredible" is not behind this movement!
What is wrong with that? After all Pakistan was separated from India too. At least in principle one can present his point of view. It’s up to people if they accept it. This is the basis of creation of Pakistan too.