India needs to play fair

Published: February 1, 2013

The writer is a Karachi-based journalist who has previously worked at The Express Tribune and Newsline

India really needs to take it down a notch. Since the fracas at the Line of Control (LoC), still shrouded in competing claims, Pakistani diplomats have been barred from attending the Jaipur Literature Festival, our hockey players felt so threatened by protests that they flew home and now our women’s cricket team is being forced to live at the stadium in which they will be playing their group matches.

For the first two cases, short-sighted Indian hawks who don’t hold much stock in cultural and sporting contact can make the exceedingly technical case that attending literary festivals and playing in an Indian hockey league is a privilege, not a right. The same cannot be said for our participation in the women’s World Cup. Our cricket team has earned its way into the tournament and deserves to be provided both with security and the same accommodations as the other teams.

The cricket team was originally meant to be stationed in Mumbai but the power, both at the street and governance level, of the Shiv Sena made that a non-starter. Our matches were then moved to Cuttack but the nearest hotel in Bhubaneshwar is an hour’s drive away. So our players will have to live at the clubhouse in the stadium for the entirety of the group stages. This also means that the entirety of India’s security strategy is dependent on us not making the final, which is to be played in Mumbai. If we do reach the final will India simply declare the city safe for us?

Try this for a thought experiment. What if we tell international teams that Pakistan is completely safe for visiting teams so long as they never leave the stadium? The suggestion would get us laughed out of the ICC and yet a different standard is being applied to India. In 1996, when Australia and the West Indies refused to play their World Cup matches in Sri Lanka out of fear, the hosts offered to airlift the players into and out of the stadium. That wasn’t enough to get them to play. We should take a similar stand. If the Indians cannot guarantee our players’ safety outside the stadium, how can they ensure it inside?

The refusal to let Pakistani diplomats attend the Jaipur Literature Festival, meanwhile, smacks of pettiness. This was a decision made not on the basis of security threats but simple petulance. Restricting the movement of diplomats only ensures that similar tit-for-tat actions will be taken in Pakistan.

Peace between the two countries has been incremental but steady over the last couple of years. The centrality of people-to-people contact in that process should never be forgotten or taken for granted. Our politics have certainly moved in a more pro-India direction, with none of our major political parties disputing the need for peaceful relations with India. Debate in Pakistan is now centred on how peace with India may best be achieved, not whether peace is even in our interest. The twin LoC incidents on their own were not enough to change the contours of this debate but any further humiliation of sportspersons may just tilt the scales in the direction of hawkishness.

The current détente that the two countries have enjoyed should be seen as fragile and easily broken. Any temporary anger we feel should be tempered by the bigger picture. The women’s cricket team has shown maturity by accepting the situation rather than walking off in a huff. But that does not mean India should be spared criticism for its heavy-handed response to the LoC incidents.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 1st, 2013.

Reader Comments (56)

  • indian
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:00PM

    this is the perfect treatment u should get……..infact we are still being soft on u…

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  • skumar
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:09PM

    We indians of all religion and caste are safe in India, All other foreigner in India also are safe. Don’t worry about that. At present Indians do not like Pakistanis to enter India. Simple as that. You know what does that mean.

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  • wonderer
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:20PM

    What is the point of complaining all the time? We should just ignore them, and refuse to go to India.

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  • Hella1
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:40PM

    “….. any further humiliation of sportspersons may just tilt the scales in the direction of hawkishness.” Does this really matter to India? The author doesn’t seem to get it. Pakistan may or may not be disputing the need for peace with India. But it still hasn’t given India a good enough reason for seeking peace. There has been no progress by Pakistan of bringing the accused for the Mumbai 2008 attacks to justice. Beheading an India soldier doesn’t help matters. Even something like granting MFN status to India doesn’t happen even after a decision is made. India has been living with the situation for years and can continue to do so. It is up to Pakistan to decide what it wants to do.

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  • Hella1
    Feb 1, 2013 - 2:41PM

    “….. any further humiliation of sportspersons may just tilt the scales in the direction of hawkishness.” Does this really matter to India? The author doesn’t seem to get it. Pakistan may or may not be disputing the need for peace with India. But it still hasn’t given India a good enough reason for seeking peace. There has been no progress by Pakistan of bringing the accused for the Mumbai 2008 attacks to justice. Beheading an India soldier doesn’t help matters. Even something like granting MFN status to India doesn’t happen even after a decision is made. India has been living with the situation for years and can continue to do so. It is up to Pakistan to decide what it wants to do

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  • Something Clever
    Feb 1, 2013 - 3:03PM

    I don’t think Pakistan threatening India with depriving them of their people is going to show anyone anything. Weren’t they the first ones to start the “we want them out” protests in this new episode of the drama?
    “They’ll regret it when we give them what they want”

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  • Alexander
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:48PM

    Do you have a choice after being isolated internationally???? There is law that is greater than religion and that is followed in civilized nations. Pakistan has been threading on the edges of civility since it even never caught the attackers on srilankan cricketers. Yes the question is the terrorists originating from your soil are let to roam freely and you are asking India to behave as if your nation is a secular role model where you have freedom and peace. Please know at the end it your choice to visit or not visit India. But no respect will be given to a society that uses religion to discriminate the last minority person left in the name of blasphemy and then hypocritically asks for a bollywood stats security. This comes from your interior minister and you ask for respect?

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  • Alexander
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:49PM

    Do you have a choice after being isolated internationally???? There is law that is greater than religion and that is followed in civilized nations. Pakistan has been threading on the edges of civility since it even never caught the attackers on srilankan cricketers. Yes the question is the terrorists originating from your soil are let to roam freely and you are asking India to behave as if your nation is a secular role model where you have freedom and peace. Please know at the end it your choice to visit or not visit India. But no respect will be given to a society that uses religion to discriminate the last minority person left in the name of blasphemy and then hypocritically asks for a bollywood star’s security. This comes from your interior minister and you ask for respect?

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  • Murali
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:50PM

    You back stabbers do not even deserve this luxury.
    Thanks for showing you power to stoop.
    You never were are and will be “FAIR” in your life.

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  • Girish
    Feb 1, 2013 - 5:54PM

    Surely the incident happened at LOC is the spark. And it might be a normal thing in Pakistan but not in India. Well, I won’t defend BCCI as its one of the most greedy organization, but in this case the venue should have been changed. And let me tell you, the Players are much secured, nobody is going to hurt them physically, but protests would definitely erupt.Recommend

  • Raja
    Feb 1, 2013 - 6:06PM

    India being a status quo power, reacts only when Pakistan initiates any action. For every India reaction you will find a Pakistani action. Only difference i that Pakistani actions last few hours or few days and Indian reactions continue to ripple for quite a long time. This action-reaction phenomenon can be traced back to 1947 or even to the time when Islamic armies started invading India. If you want a friendly India, please stop terrorism in Kashmir and other anti-India actions.

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  • ayesha azeem
    Feb 1, 2013 - 7:11PM

    Meanwhile our rulers are all set to grant MFN status to so called secular state known as India,Enough is Enough,Let’s cut all ties with India,they hate us,why we have to extend the hand of friendship every time..??Arghh

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  • karma
    Feb 1, 2013 - 8:45PM

    I totally concur with the author. If India is allowing the Pakistan team to travel, it is essential to treat the sportsmen in a dignified way. They are not the cause of the problems between India and pakistan and nothing to be gained by insulting them.

    But, I fail to understand the rational of having sporting tie when situation is bleak and tensions are high.

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  • Straight shooter
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:03PM

    Just go away. Don’t be so obsessed with India. Nobody cares or wants you in here. Keep you talented artists, players and “non-state actors” to yourself and leave us alone.

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  • Pankaj
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:14PM

    Writer needs to first learn to differentiate between political protest and terrorist attcaks.

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  • kaalchakra
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:27PM

    Raja

    What you call ‘action’ we call needling, and we are proud of it. The needling will continue so long as India exists. Why don’t you simply accept needling as you are supposed to?

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  • kailash sethy
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:40PM

    u have selective right points here.
    I feel as long as people like Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed are live and kicking in pakistan, India will be very skeptical that Pakistan is really honest when it says it is fighting Terrorism. From Pakistan side, I do feel India should give some kind of room for Pakistanis to act on these taliban and madrasa product terrorists which is more damaging pakistan itself than India in any real way.

    but yeah there will be peace nevertheless between two countries. Since this civilization is very slow, peace will take its time

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  • Murthy
    Feb 1, 2013 - 9:51PM

    Mr/Ms ayesha azeem, MFN status was accorded by India to Pakistan years ago, and as per law the same privilege should have been reciprocated long ago. And you are talking as if you are being magnanimous even considering to accord the status to India. Your govt has never made public that it has been enjoying the MFN status for a long time. India IS a secular state; we are not talking in terms of religion day in and day out.

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  • Varun
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:14PM

    I don’t understand why even civil society or judiciary or any intellectual in Pakistan turn Blind eye to Pakistan Army’s or more Precisely ISI’s (but that too is controlled by Army) misdeeds when pointed towards India. Is this Pakistan’s Nationalism ? Mumbai attacks, sheltering and helping terrorists criminals against India or disrespecting laws of war or conflict by mutilating and beheading soldiers bodies. No this can’t be Nationalism but this can only be Fanaticism, and if Pakistan still calls it nationalism then it will be a sorry state(or it already is, fanatics kill more in Pakistan). Pakistan thinks such Fanatics don’t exist in India, they may be few in numbers but they are always looking for opportunities. Unlike the state of affair in Pakistan Indian Fanatics are weak and don’t yield much power from or on the society, they mostly make Indian Muslim pay the price of Fanaticism of Pakistan, no rationality in their action but they are Fanatics you can expect rationality from them. You are only reporting protest against Pakistan’s players but not reporting solidarity and support being given to Pakistan’s woman cricket team, which sentiment as reporter being part of civil society are you spreading in Pakistan? No one more than India wants normal relations with Pakistan, Pakistan is unnecessary nuisance for India when its acts against Indian Interest or nurture Terror against India. Pakistan is insignificant even in the political and election scenario, Pakistan bashing does not get any body votes, unlike in Pakistan where India Bashing and raising Kashmir issue is directly proportional to number of Votes. If India and Pakistan have normal relationship biggest loser will be Pakistan’s army which yields all it power from the so called threat India posses, next in line of losers would be Fanatics. And these to combined to gather are the majority of Pakistan’s Population (Factually if not, certainly seems so), so the onus is on Pakistan for normal relations with India, show the intent and Indian Population will respond along with the government because its in our interest. This is something Pakistan’s population at large do not or don’t want to understand.

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  • gp65.
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:22PM

    @ayesha azeem: “Meanwhile our rulers are all set to grant MFN status to so called secular state known as India”

    Granting India MFN status is an obligation under WTO that Pakistan has continued to shirk. It is Indian magnanimity that Pakistan hasn’t been made accountable in the WTO forum. India had in fact granted the MFN status way back in 1996 to Pakistan. So this is not a favour by any means.

    @Author: “Try this for a thought experiment. What if we tell international teams that Pakistan is completely safe for visiting teams so long as they never leave the stadium? The suggestion would get us laughed out of the ICC and yet a different standard is being applied to India. In 1996, when Australia and the West Indies refused to play their World Cup matches in Sri Lanka out of fear, the hosts offered to airlift the players into and out of the stadium. That wasn’t enough to get them to play. We should take a similar stand”.
    By all means you are entitled to take the stand. No one would grudge your decision.

    “But that does not mean India should be spared criticism for its heavy-handed response to the LoC incidents”
    Just as you did not spare us criticism for heavy handed response to Kargill (which according to Gen Shahid Musharraf indicated was too aggrressive) or Parliament attack. The fact that the response to 26/11 was relatively mild lulled Pakistani establishment into a compacency by mistaking India’s patience as India’s weakness.
    Peace initiative is not the same as peace. Despite sincerely pursuing peace initiative, if Pakistan continues with its pin pricks denying India its peace dvidend, the constituency for the peace initiative will weaken within India.

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  • John B
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:32PM

    Look who is advising!

    Everything is others fault. May be it is time for PAK to stop chest thumping, but without which PAK foreign policy is zero.

    PAK is important for AFG peace and LoC peace. Pak feels proud in saying that but no one asks the questions, how? -Aid, security, education, development, healthcare and cultural development? NO:

    Then how it is important in peace?

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  • Raja
    Feb 1, 2013 - 10:43PM

    @Kalchakra: Sure. Please do needle by all means. But be prepared for ” Sou Sunar ki aur ek Luhar ki” type response from Indian side.

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:50PM

    @Murthy:

    “MFN status was accorded by India to Pakistan years ago, and as per law the same privilege should have been reciprocated long ago.”

    I am sick of listening this BS. Please take your MFN status back. We don’t need it.

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  • sabi
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:51PM

    I would still blame Pakistani leadership for all humilation may it be from India or from elswhere.respect is something earned not granted.No one can afford showing ill manners unless have some solid reasons.Pakistani public is paying the price for the wrong doings of its ruling elites.Honestly speaking I don’t hold India responsible for all that mess.Complaining to India for not showing restraints is like beging for respect which is not a decent way.

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  • observer
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:55PM

    @kaalchakra:

    What you call ‘action’ we call needling, and we are proud of it. The needling will continue so long as India exists. Why don’t you simply accept needling as you are supposed to?

    Needle 1 (1948), Needle 2(1965) and Needle 3 (1971) were followed by an ax blow a.k.a. BD.

    Now Needle 1 (Kargil) and Needle 2 (Mumbai) are awaiting Needle 3, accept it when it comes.

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 1, 2013 - 11:56PM

    @Varun:

    “Pakistan is insignificant even in the political and election scenario, Pakistan bashing does not get any body votes, unlike in Pakistan where India Bashing and raising Kashmir issue is directly proportional to number of Votes.”

    Which wonderland you live in?

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 12:40AM

    @gp65.:

    “The fact that the response to 26/11 was relatively mild lulled Pakistani establishment into a compacency by mistaking India’s patience as India’s weakness.”

    So, when your patience is going to run out. Run out already, we are waiting since so long. Don’t forget East Pakistan, Siachen, and Kashmir accounts need closure.

    “Peace initiative is not the same as peace. Despite sincerely pursuing peace initiative, if Pakistan continues with its pin pricks denying India its peace dvidend, the constituency for the peace initiative will weaken within India.”

    And you are sincerely providing mere employment to TTP and BLA terrorists out of humanitarian compulsions. Remember Indian supported LTTE and TNA terrorist outfits and the drama of Indian Peace Keeping Force? Is this the same kind of peace initiative you are offering to Pakistan as you offered to Sri Lanka?

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 12:57AM

    @sabi:

    “No one can afford showing ill manners unless have some solid reasons.”

    Of course India has at least three solid reasons to show ill manners to Pakistan.

    1- Why Pakistan does not forget Indian Occupied Kashmir. and hand over the remaining Pakistani Part.

    2- Why Muslims did not accepted submission to Hindu majority and created Pakistan (even though their plans towards Pakistan have somewhat changed after 28th May, 1998).

    3- Why the Arabs, Afghans, and Mughals came to Hindu sub-continent.

    Don’t believe me? Talk to couple of Indian Hindus abroad by posing as an Indian Hindu.

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  • gp65.
    Feb 2, 2013 - 1:04AM

    @Lala Gee: “@Murthy:
    “MFN status was accorded by India to Pakistan years ago, and as per law the same privilege should have been reciprocated long ago.”
    I am sick of listening this BS. Please take your MFN status back. We don’t need it.”

    Actually i is Pakistani authors and posters who claim that the mere intent to give India the MFN is a big favour. It is in response that @Murthy and others point out that the intention to give India MFN is not a favour but an obligation under the WTO rules- an obligation that India has honoured and Pakistan has failed to.

    You also ask @Varun “Which wonderland you live in?”

    The truth is that Kashmir simply is not a factor in Indian elections. The 2014 elections are going to be based on Congress accusing BJP of communalism and BJP accusing Congress of high inflation and corruption. These are all internal issues. Yes, if Congress had continued to appease Pakistan endlessly at the cost of Indian lives, it could potentially have become an election issue which is why it wisely decided to put its foot down when Pakistan tried one provocation too many.

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  • Indian
    Feb 2, 2013 - 1:30AM

    @Lala Gee Before talking anything else; First make up your mind whether you believe that your forefather was Hindu or came from Arab World!!!

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  • Aria
    Feb 2, 2013 - 2:16AM

    Honestly speaking…I agree with the author..that inspite of such a big counry and claiming oursleves as a powerful nation, taking execuse that security will be factor to play in Mumbai is really laughable…We should really make a point to us..

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  • Dr.X
    Feb 2, 2013 - 2:29AM

    I have met Indians and I found most of them nice people.. But sometime Nationalism becomes pathological. The one good thing about Pakistanis is that they are actually growing mature. They are accepting their problems like Terrorism, Radicalization, Poverty and Illiteracy. They r looking for a solution. I don’t know about the Indian side. But The confidence building measures have to taken by both sides in order to come to a peaceful solution to all these problems. There is a bomb blast in Pakistan every other day. But you do not see our government blaming it all on India or RAW. It is just that Pakistan is so preoccupied by its problems that it does not care what happens in the rest of the world. It is not an easy war. If a Superpower cant handle them, Pakistan cant control them. It is logical. As far as LoC n Mumbai r concerned, I think the offer of independent probe by UN is a very logical suggestion.

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  • Mumbai Jazz
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:16AM

    @ayesha azeem: Every time Pakistan extended hand of friendship it’s other hands has been hiding the dagger to stab India in back. Like it recently did by beheading a soldier. Cowards.

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  • Dipak
    Feb 2, 2013 - 3:56AM

    Nadir, look yourself in the mirror. Would any international team come to play in Pakistan? Now you know which country you come from.

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  • gp65.
    Feb 2, 2013 - 4:06AM

    @Lala Gee: “And you are sincerely providing mere employment to TTP and BLA terrorists out of humanitarian compulsions.”

    Not once has Pakistan provided any evidence to India or the international world that India supports TTP or BLA. In fact TTP’s negoitating condition which it recently came up with was that Pakistan army should turn its attention from FATA to its Eastern border. Hamid Gul has called TTP leadership as true mujahids as late as 2008. Your own government was negotiating with them and had signed Nizam-e-Adl in Feb 2009, Imran Khan suggests negotiations with TTP also. If TTP was truly Indian agents, these negotiations should be with India not with TTP directly.
    The reality is that Pakistan habitually makes Tit for tat allegations to justify its own acts of violence but given the history of lies no one believes Pakistan any longer, especially since its allegations are not substantiated with any facts.

    “Remember Indian supported LTTE and TNA terrorist outfits and the drama of Indian Peace Keeping Force?”

    Yes. Remember it well enough to not be fooled by your inaccurate statements. IPKF went to Sri Lanka at the request of the Si Lankan government. Perhaps you are not aware of it. It is for this reason that an angry LTTE killed Rajiv Gandhi – the man behind the IPKF initiative. In any event, it has no relevance to Indo-Pak relationship.

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  • Another North Indian
    Feb 2, 2013 - 5:01AM

    Treating ladies, once they are in your country, with less than perfect hospitality is unacceptable. We Indians made a mistake. Somebody in some committee goofed up, simply because they are upset. Not done. Too boorish. Although it has no effect or meaning, I offer my sincere apologies. I hope we Indians will grow into a more mature nation.

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  • Sudheer
    Feb 2, 2013 - 5:08AM

    @Lala Gee
    Do you realize that, almost all of the comments, posted by you on this forum, do end up evoking laughter and derision from not only Indian readers, but also, sensible Pakistanis as well? I wonder what makes you so much of a a megalo-centric of India and its people that it totally eclipses your sense of reality and reasoning? Your foolish rantings against India on this particular issue, have already been debunked with required logic and reasoning by none other than the brilliant & graceful lady @gp65, hence, no need for me to repeat the same reasoning in a format consisting of a different set of words.
    My post is meant to make you understand that the hatred obliterates man’s power to correctly comprehend the world around him that consists of different strata of realities. So much so that, even a person, free of any unreasonable myths or prejudices, still remains vulnerable to the lure of falling for a twisted ideology and false glory of this or afterlife.
    Therefore, buddy, an unwanted hatred or even an inherently held regid presumption about anything, can only end up hurting not only ourselves but others as well.

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  • Another North Indian
    Feb 2, 2013 - 5:15AM

    Indians, I have not read this article, and am commenting only on the reports that we did not give Pakistani lady players all the facilities we could have.

    You know, even if we were in the midst of a war situation (may that never happen again) we must still treat non-combatant ladies with the greatest respect. How many of you admire Chhatrapati Shivaji? If you do, please read his letters to Aurangzeb. As a nation, we are very far from greatness. Yet if we are to ever approach greatness, we must always aim for it. Strength does not mean nor flows from petty or dishonorable behavior.

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  • gp65.
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:12AM

    @Another North Indian:
    “Treating ladies, once they are in your country, with less than perfect hospitality is unacceptable.”

    Agree with you there. Whether Pakistani cricket team or Vishwaroopam or Rushdie, the Indian government bows in to mobs and that should not happen. If that was the point that had been made by this or any other OpEd, no reasonable person would have objected. But when they act all perplexed and surprised at why anyone in India would have resentment against Pakistanis when they have been so very good to us – completely ignoring facts on the ground, or even worse tying it up completely nonsensical things like US withdrawal in Afghanistan, one ends up throwing the baby with the bath water.

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  • Allah Ditta
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:16AM

    Why blame India? Just don’t go there. Hockey team was thrown out of India like a dirty garbage bag. When this team landed in Pakistan, players still wanted to go to India. Ask your players and artists, they pull their pants down and line up and beg for India’s visa. They praise Indian in India and when they land in Pakistan, same people pull their pants up and start cursing India. Pakistan should have some Gairat. There were clear indications that Indians did not want women’s team in their country. Indians even had to change their venue to accommodate Pakistanis. Shame on Pakistanis who want to go to India.

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  • vishal
    Feb 2, 2013 - 9:48AM

    Only one thing
    We don’t want any Pakistanis in our India,whoever he/she may be.
    I don’t think any Pakistani should have any objection with this.
    Afterall,not any Israel’s citizen is allowed in Pakistan too

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  • gp65 .
    Feb 2, 2013 - 9:54AM

    @Sudheer: Thank you for your kind words.

    @Another North Indian: You are 100% right. SOmetimes the overall stance of many of the authors and posters is so unreasonable ( we don’t know why anyone would be annoyed with Pakistan, look we are doing you such big favours ete. etc.) that one ends up not accepting even valid points. OF course it was not pettiness due to which the cricket team was denied the 5 star accommodation but the security concern.

    Still the fact that mobs are out of control to the extent that such measures became necessary is not right. This appeasement on both sides is something that frustrates me greatly. This incident, Mamata denying entry to Rushdie and Vishwaroopam not being screened due to Muslim protest are all issues that I find as gaps in law and order. It is the government;s job to not buckle under threats of violence whether by Hindu or Muslim fundamentalists.

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  • 1984
    Feb 2, 2013 - 11:18AM

    @Indian:
    @Lala Gee Before talking anything else; First make up your mind whether you believe that your forefather was Hindu or came from Arab World!!

    When the soldiers from Arab World conquered Sindh,they were pretty liberal in distributing their DNA forcefully with the Local Hindu women….

    The offsprings of those women were the first muslims in subcontinent…..I’m sure Lala Gee is proud of his Arabic lineage…

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 5:55PM

    @1984:

    “When the soldiers from Arab World conquered Sindh,they were pretty liberal in distributing their DNA forcefully with the Local Hindu women….
    The offsprings of those women were the first muslims in subcontinent…..I’m sure Lala Gee is proud of his Arabic lineage…”

    Brother you are confusing things. Only the children born out of legitimately married Muslim parents were Muslims, while it is highly unlikely that the others were also born Muslims. Hope this clear any confusion you might have.

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 6:01PM

    @gp65.:

    “Yes. Remember it well enough to not be fooled by your inaccurate statements. IPKF went to Sri Lanka at the request of the Si Lankan government.”

    Did the Sri Lankan government also requested Indian government to train, arm, and fund ‘Tigers of Tamil Elam’ (LTTE) and ‘Tamil National Army’ (TNA) terrorist outfits so that they can later wreck havoc in Sri Lanka. What your memory says in this regard.

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  • Tony Singh
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:51PM

    @Lala Gee:
    Now you can safely say Pakistan had a bad day in South Aferica because Indians did not house Pakistan’s women team in a five star hotel. Believe me,You are capable of such rationalisation equating apples to oranges.

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 7:54PM

    @Author:

    “India needs to play fair”

    It is amazing that you still hope this thing called “fair” possible from India, who, in her entire history, has never ever believed in this word, or remotely acted likewise. Weather it were the conspiracies of occupying Junagadh, or Hyderabad Deccan, or Bhopal, or Kashmir, or Goa, or Sikim, or planning subversion in East Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Which India’s neighbor is happy with her and did not suffer from her malevolent machinations. Name a single India’s neighboring country who has cordial relations with India. Most of the people of India’s neighboring countries either hate her or at-least dislike her. And no wonder the single reason for their hate is India’s “unfair”, hegemonic, ‘newly-got-rich’ attitude towards others.

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  • gp65
    Feb 2, 2013 - 9:17PM

    @Lala Gee:
    Why would Ltte kill Rajiv Gandhi if India was actually training and funding them? In any case what does that have to do with IndoPak relations?

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 11:55PM

    @gp65:

    “Why would Ltte kill Rajiv Gandhi if India was actually training and funding them?”

    How many times I must tell you the facts – 1,000 times? – before you admit what is truth. Perhaps it is already more than 10 times I have given you [this link describing in detail the Indian Intelligence, 'RAW', role in training, arming, and funding LTTE terrorists][1]. And this is what the Sri-Lankan government of President Premadasa thought of Indian Peace Keeping Force.

    “The Indian intervention was also unpopular among the Sinhalese majority. Prime Minister Ranasinghe Premadasa during his presidential election campaign in 1988, pledged to withdraw IPKF as soon as he is elected president. After being elected, in April 1989, he started negotiations with LTTE. President Premadasa ordered Sri Lanka Army to clandestine handed over arms consignments to the LTTE to fight the IPKF and its proxy Tamil National Army (TNA). These consignments include RPG guns, motars, self-loading rifles, T81 automatic rifles, T56 automatic rifles, pistols, hand grenades, ammunition and communications sets.[61] Moreover, millions of dollars was also passed on to the LTTE.[62]“

    [1]: http://Why would Ltte kill Rajiv Gandhi if India was actually training and funding them?

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 2, 2013 - 11:58PM

    (Moderator: please discard my previous post as the link was an error of copying)

    @gp65:

    “Why would Ltte kill Rajiv Gandhi if India was actually training and funding them?”

    How many times I must tell you the facts – 1,000 times? – before you admit what is truth. Perhaps it is already more than 10 times I have given you this link describing in detail the Indian Intelligence, ‘RAW’, role in training, arming, and funding LTTE terrorists. And this is what the Sri-Lankan government of President Premadasa thought of Indian Peace Keeping Force.

    “The Indian intervention was also unpopular among the Sinhalese majority. Prime Minister Ranasinghe Premadasa during his presidential election campaign in 1988, pledged to withdraw IPKF as soon as he is elected president. After being elected, in April 1989, he started negotiations with LTTE. President Premadasa ordered Sri Lanka Army to clandestine handed over arms consignments to the LTTE to fight the IPKF and its proxy Tamil National Army (TNA). These consignments include RPG guns, motars, self-loading rifles, T81 automatic rifles, T56 automatic rifles, pistols, hand grenades, ammunition and communications sets.[61] Moreover, millions of dollars was also passed on to the LTTE.[62]“

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  • Deb
    Feb 3, 2013 - 1:37AM

    @another north indian.

    I fully agree.
    The venue for Pakistani cricketer’s shouldn’t have changed. It is a tournament under the auspices of ICC; the schedules, venues all are prearranged and it’s on Indian authorities to deliver. Period.

    @all those Pakistanis and Indians who are justifiably worried about the safety, comfort and security of the Pak women cricketers, please follow the link below.

    http://kafila.org/2013/02/02/dear-pakistani-friends-put-yourself-in-my-shoes/

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  • gp65 .
    Feb 3, 2013 - 9:20AM

    @Another North Indian: I was carried away by all the bad press about the inadeqate accommodation for the Pakistani women cricketers. But it looks like this is more of a myth than reality. They have been treated well and the team themselves say it. http://kafila.org/2013/02/02/dear-pakistani-friends-put-yourself-in-my-shoes/

    @LAla Gee:

    You can keep attaching links but you have not answered my question.

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  • Ashutosh
    Feb 3, 2013 - 1:18PM

    @Lala Gee:
    We had created Bangladesh in past. But that dose not mean that Bangladeshis are thankful to India. However, if Pakistan keeps piling up problems for India, then India may not have many option but to proceed with formation something like Balochdesh and/ or Sindhudesh.
    .
    The cracks are already there just the right lever may do the trick ….

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 3, 2013 - 4:21PM

    @Ashutosh:

    LOL. You should rather be worried about your own safety man. Didn’t you read the ‘Advisory’ of your Civil Defense department?

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 3, 2013 - 10:13PM

    @gp65 .:

    “You can keep attaching links but you have not answered my question.”

    Sorry, making you more intelligent is beyond my capacity. However, I am sure most Pakistani readers understand, and that is what only matters to me. Cheers.

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  • Lala Gee
    Feb 3, 2013 - 10:46PM

    @gp65 .:

    “I was carried away by all the bad press about the inadeqate accommodation for the Pakistani women cricketers. But it looks like this is more of a myth than reality. They have been treated well and the team themselves say it.”

    The kind of demented minds and twisted logic Indians present is unparalleled. Is it really the matter of accommodation? Rather it is a matter of respectful equal treatment. Being a host of an international event, it is India’s responsibility to treat each and every team in the same manner and provide level security to all the teams all the time at all the venues. Had this been the situation with Indian team in Pakistan, they would have refused to play outrightly due to security concerns. Perhaps Chairman PCB is a too staunch believer of ‘Aman-ki-Aasha’, otherwise any self-respecting person should have already called back the team.

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