Washington assures Islamabad that the TTP chief will be eliminated or extradited. STOCK IMAGE
Pakistan has presented a ‘dossier’ to top US officials detailing evidence of involvement of Indian secret agencies in stoking and supporting militancy in the country’s troubled regions, according to a top defence official.
The disclosure was made during a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Defence presided over by Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed on Monday. The ‘vital’ evidence against India was handed over to senior US military and intelligence officials by army chief General Raheel Sharif during his recent visit to Washington.
Senator Mushahid confirmed that senior defence officials during an in-camera briefing informed the Senate panel that India was using Afghan soil against Pakistan.
The Pakistani claim comes amid renewed calls from India for action against Jammatud Dawa (JuD) and other militant groups during the ongoing visit of US President Barack Obama. This is the first time Pakistani officials said evidence was shared with the US regarding the involvement of India in subversive activities.
US assurance on Fazlullah’s extradition
A committee member told The Express Tribune that Defence Secretary Lt Gen (retd) Alam Khattak also informed the panel that Washington has assured Islamabad fugitive commander of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Mullah Fazlullah would be eliminated. “If he [Fazllulah] is arrested, he will be extradited to Pakistan,” the member was quoted as saying by the defence secretary.
Mullah Fazlullah is believed to be hiding in Afghanistan. Pakistan has stepped up pressure on Kabul to eliminate the most wanted man after his group carried out the massacre of over 150 people, mostly schoolchildren, at the Army Public School (APS) in Peshawar.
An official statement issued after the meeting said that the Senate defence committee was given an in-camera detailed briefing by the defence secretary on the recent Pak-US Strategic Dialogue and the army chief’s visit to the United States.
The chairman and members of the committee appreciated the stance taken by the defence ministry on delicate military affairs with the US. The committee paid glowing tributes to the sacrifices of the armed forces and the successful Operation Zarb-e-Azb, as a result of which Pak-Afghan ties have witnessed improvement.
Both Pakistan and Afghanistan, the defence ministry said, were on the same page vis-à-vis action being taken against terrorists especially after the APS massacre.
It further apprised the meeting that during the recent talks, the government effectively highlighted Pakistan’s point of view on the matter.
Senator Mushahid said Pakistan’s national security was of paramount significance and unanimity of opinion existed among all shades of opinion in this regard.
Senator Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain proposed that army public schools be named after the martyrs of the Peshawar APS attack. The proposal was unanimously endorsed by the committee members, the statement said.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 27th, 2015.
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Appeal to all Indians & Pakistanis: Do not believe rumors, propaganda, stories by vested interests & political statements- without any evidence. A lot of these keep floating on the internet & local media. Religious symbols worn by terrorists could be a red herring to mislead you. Believe in hard facts- such as testimony of terrorists in courts, investigative reports by unbiased scholars, findings published by UN & neutral countries like USA, intercepted voice & text messages collected by reliable sources.
@observer:
I found two interesting points
The tattoo is popular in criminals and people who have experienced near death.
Tattoo is 8-10 years old.
It is possible that guy wasn't religious till he had this deathly or crime filled experience. OR that he converted to Islam during his prison time. It is pretty common practice to turn religious during long imprisonment, and Christianity and Islam are two most favored religions among prisoners.
@observer LOL! You must a regular listener of Zaid Hamid.. If Pakistani government has any evidence it should make it public. By your logic ff being uncircumcised and and wearing a saffron band makes a terrorist Indian then 95% of terrorists caught in India are Pakistanis.
@LS: LS and Woody, Dr Shaki Afridi was carrying out an illegal, fake vaccine program and illegally conspiring with the secret service of a foreign power. Where I come from both activities ensure you go to prison for a very long time. I notice that you both ignored the basic fact that neither the Pakistan Government or the Americans produced the body of possibly the most important man in history for identification, which would not have been a difficult task. Also in my country it is normal practice to do things the legal way, carry out an autopsy and have an inquest, neither of which occurred. You are both easily convinced. I also connected the Abbottabad incident with another unbelievable incident in Iraq, which you both chose to ignore. Incidentally I believe the Americans are still looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, after some 12 or so years.
@Sexton Blake: So why jail the Doctor who identified that house? Why was the courier so secretive? Conspiracy theories?
Fiction writers are standing in queue at the darbar gate of Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed. Huge prize money offered for the startling fiction!!
"Pakistan has presented a ‘dossier’ to top US officials detailing evidence of involvement of Indian secret agencies in stoking and supporting militancy in the country’s troubled regions, according to a top defence official. The disclosure was made during a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Defence presided over by Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed on Monday. The ‘vital’ evidence against India was handed over to senior US military and intelligence officials by army chief General Raheel Sharif during his recent visit to Washington." I will believe that a dossier has been handed over when I see a public acknowledgement from the US side. Otherwise, this statement is just for Pakistani public consumption. Nobody except the Pakistanis will believe the Pakistani official version. After all, was it not Pakistan which said all along that Osama bin Laden was not in Pakistan and was embarrassed by his being discovered in Abbotabad? However, Pakistan's complicity in harboring terrorists in its midst is well established. It is not just Indians who are saying this but even Americans and others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DavidHeadley (David Coleman Headley (born Daood Sayed Gilani; 30 June 1960) is an American terrorist of Pakistani origin, and a spy who conspired with the Lashkar-e-Taiba Islamist organization and Pakistani intelligence officers in plotting the 2008 Mumbai attacks.) This same David Headley sang like a canary bird when interrogated by the Americans. Pakistan's involvement became clear not only to the Indians but also to the international community. Hafiz Sayeed has a bounty (from US) on his head. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/world/asia/lashkar-e-taiba-founder-takes-less-militant-tone-in-pakistan.html?r=0 (LAHORE, Pakistan — Ten million dollars does not seem to buy much in this bustling Pakistani city. That is the sum the United States is offering for help in convicting Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, perhaps the country’s best-known jihadi leader. Yet Mr. Saeed lives an open, and apparently fearless, life in a middle-class neighborhood here.)
As far as Dawood Ibrahim is concerned, he too is a declared terrorist by India and International community.
(Dawood Ibrahim (born Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar) is the leader of Indian organised crime syndicate D-Company founded in Mumbai .He is currently on the wanted list of Interpol for Cheating, Criminal Conspiracy and Organised Crime Syndicated.[3] He was No. 3 on the Forbes' World's Top 10 most dreaded criminals list of 2011, rising from the 4th position in 2008..... According to the United States, Ibrahim maintained close links with al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. As a consequence, the United States declared Dawood Ibrahim a "global terrorist" in 2003 and pursued the matter before the United Nations in an attempt to freeze his assets around the world and crack down on his operations. The Bush administration imposed several sanctions on Ibrahim and his associates.[9] Indian and Russian intelligence agencies have pointed out Ibrahim's possible involvement in several other terror attacks, including the 2008 Mumbai attacks, as per Interpol. He was believed to be living in the Pakistan long time under the protection of Pakistan's intelligence service ISI and then in United Arab Emirates. Currently he has been shifted to Pakistan-Afghanistan border.) Giving a dossier to USA or any other country is alright but who is going to take Pakistan seriously. If Pakistan wants to be taken seriously, come out publicly with the evidence. After all, that is the only logical thing to do.
@observer:
Oops...gave the wrong link on the "demonic tattoos" above. Here it is:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/480719/attackers-demonic-tattoo-draws-fresh-ttp-conclusions/
@ps:
"@observer: The dossier contains one great new undeniable fact about Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan. That fact is that all the terrorists killed or caught are uncircumcised and were wearing saffron hand bands."emphasized text**
@ps: *"@observer:lol"*
Yes, I got a good laugh too. I also nearly choked myself laughing so hard imagining the dossier containing 100 pages of "vital" photographic evidence of uncircumcised 'you know whats'. !!!! In addition to uncircumcised "you know whats", the Hindu terrorists also had images of Lord Ganesha tattooed on their bodies!!!
Seriously, the Pak Establishment did say that the terrorists killed in FATA a few years ago were uncircumcised and therefore Hindus. They even posted pictures as evidence!! Right here in ET there was an article on "demonic" tattoos on the dead terrorists' bodies!!
Here is the link on the vital evidence: http://defence.pk/threads/pak-authorities-use-circumcision-to-identify-indian-agents.24889/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/828208/indias-role-in-militancy-pakistan-shares-dossier-with-us/#comment-2471836
Didn't able to get a single clue to verify authenticity of this news.
@the Skunk: India too would like China to pressurize Pakistan to stop exporting terrorism into India. However China is only concerned with Uighar terrorism.
Was the dossier written in Arabic or Chinese ? It will probably be used as T-Paper by the Americans, which is what it is probably good for.
so what happened to this dossier,lost to termites,why pakistani media couldn't get access to it..i am still waiting on the dossier that your prev govt gave to our prev govt..if your army chief gave this dossier 2 months back, why did kerry say "take a hike" to your journalist a week back and pakistan still wonders why nobody believes in them
Dossier after 2 decades lacks credibility, It is only to placate Pak public and prop up low morale and sort of sugar coated pill for Pak media who are ever eager to digest anything that props them against India albeit temporarily . where are indian non state actors hiding in pakistan, there are none otherwise Pak would have showcased them time and again like KASAB to whole world to garner international brownie points & they would be the first to get publically hanged Saudi style.
@Sexton Blake: . "@woody:My favorite fairy tale is that OBL was picked up at PMA in Abbottabad, and conveniently dropped into the Arabian sea." . In case you didn't know it Pakistan govt says that the USA killed OBL in Pakistan --- so does Al Qaeda. It would appear that on that issue it's you that has a credibility issue. Have a nice day.
Those who continue to indulge in the blame game must keep in mind that the terrorists see our nations as a common threat to their mission. The terrorists have proven over and over that they are willing to cross all lines in order to achieve their agenda. Our nations have lost thousands of brave soldiers in fighting terrorism, and the growing threat of terrorism in the region makes it necessary for our nations to cooperate and coordinate against those who threaten the safety of our land and people. We repeat what Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby said during a press briefing in Washington a few weeks ago: “And it’s a common threat, a common challenge that we all have to continue to work on together and to look for ways to improve that cooperation. I will also tell you that cooperation with Pakistan and Pakistani military in general continues to improve.”
Ali Khan Digital Engagement Team, USCENTCOM
@observer:
yeah just like all the terrorists caught in india had biscuits made in pakistan.
@observer: lol
senator mushahid can also add that the indians blew up their embassy in jalalbad. made a video, killed a few persons and blamed pakistan for that. we in pakistan have never heard of jalalbad
@woody: My favorite fairy tale is that OBL was picked up at PMA in Abbottabad, and conveniently dropped into the Arabian sea. It goes along with Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and is on a par with Alice in Wonderland, which in fact is probably more believable.
@samir:
Like most things in life it gets down to credibility - like it or not Pakistan doesn't have much. A thousand disingenuous statements eventually numbs the listener - my personal favorite is when OBL was found outside PMA and Zardari blamed it on a failure of the World intelligence community.
@Sexton Blake: Divide and rule Sir, has always been the key formula to build empires; it was used by the Romans successfully and later by the anglo saxon Brits who to this date hold the patent for it. The probllem which the Indian sub-continent is struggling with are manyfold. It has a very large population of Hindus who were allowed by the mughal conquerors by design or default to continue their ancient prehistoric practice of worshipping pagan Gods whereas their kind were completely annhilated from the European continent You now have two countries whose people have more or less similar cultures but hold and even practice more than one faith.with passion and emotions.. Both people in my view are not keen for peace but prefer a war to settle their differences and as a matter of fact very limited knowledge of the European history which has experienced two world wars and the thirty years wars before it.
Rex Minor
@imran ghori: also immediately eliminate Haqqani and Afghan taliban in Pakistan to have peace in Afghanistan. But how will that happen? GHQ Pind wont allow its strategic assets to be eliminated
@Akhthar: you should also have solve your nuclear technology pitfalls by yourself instead begging from other, still lagging behind in this field for 25 to 30 years compare to Pakistan, poor weaponry compared to Pakistan not a secret
@Ali Yasir: Everybody is afraid of a Super-Power !!
What a big International Joke this so-called 'Dossier' is. As someone who has been part of the diplomatic setup, I can confirm that nobody has paid any attention to this. Mr. Mushahid Hussain is clearly shooting from the hip, trying to win favour from the government and Army both, the former in the hope of getting some ministerial type role and the latter in the hope of getting a place in a 'Technocratic Setup' as it is called in this country.
@Indian: Biggest copy cats are indians themselves.all their indigenous productions like arjun,lca, submarine, prithvi are a failure.the only success comes if there is transfer of technology. Wonder why an indian feeling the heat about facts of their rogue agency RAW being presented with evidence.
I am not really sure who it was and when, but let us start in 1914. Germany was a peaceful country at the time, but a British personage undoubtedly said: "I have a plan. I know how to upset the Germans and get a war started". The plan worked beautifully and most of Western Europe was devastated as a result. That was not enough for the idiot British and they replayed the whole scenario about 21 years later. Then we come to the sub-continent in 1948, and another British personage came up with the idea that if the British planned independence correctly they could keep the Hindus/Pakistanis arguing interminably, and once again their plan worked magnificently. Depending upon which side you belong to all the fault lies with either the brutal Hindus who will just not cooperate or the Muslims who have exactly the same problem. In the meantime both sides have brave military personnel to defend their adoring masses and of course they are awarded so much gold braid and medals they can barely stand upright. This type of behavior is not confined to the sub-continent of course. The UK/US/EU/Israel/Australia are all jockeying with their military and intelligence agencies to cause similar problems whilst at the same time convincing their passive populations that all the brutal activities they are indulging in is purely for their benefit and is of course for humanitarian purposes only. On a world-wide basis all this political/military posturing is costing about $2,000 billion annually, and is the main reason why so many Pakistanis and Hindus miss out on insignificant items such as decent food, education, clean-water, clothing and bathroom facilities.
Nothing is more annoying than the sanctimonious attitude of the Indians. Everyone else is at fault, while they are the purest souls in the whole world.
I wonder why is India so afraid of Pakistan and is always trying to destabilize it through its agencies.
When will the people of Pakistan get rid of the politcal and military leaders who have experiened the colonial education, accepting and relying on the hegemonic powers of others in their own region?. Direct action and not complaints to the big brothers in the family of Nations. UNO is the forum and not the man from the white house.
Rex Minor
Time and again Indian people and media have accepted their involvement in so many terrorists incidents like Mumbai and Samjhota express etc. Indian consulate in Kabul is funding terrorists to carry out attacks in Pakistan and Baluchistan. US is aware of it and they have given the same message to India to stop this game.
Much needed move. Should be exposed.
*India the terrorist state,The killer of 145 children * #wewillneverforget #wewillneverforgive .....
Is it like the dossiers on 'The Myth of Petrol Shortage in Pak' or 'An analysis of the Power Outage in Pak' ? Then it should be entertaining reading.
India directly promoting terrorism in Pakistan through Afghanistan... If America interested in peace in Afghanistan he has to change his dual policy...limit the role of Indian intelligence in Afghanistan, and imidiatly eliminate India from Afghanistan..
That dossier must be made public to reveal the 'peace-making effoerts' of our neighbors.
In terms of foreign policy & media coverage to highlight such issues, we Pakistan govt cannot compare with India....they are much ahead than us...is it difficult to watch & hear what Indian govt does along with its media to create hype against Pakistan on any issue ?...without proof...most of the time. We need to learn from them, not just passing the proof to the American etc;& some bits & pieces come in our media, is not the way we should work...the public must know too. This is because, our political leaders are only interested to fill their pocket & not in the interest of the country.
Does this matter? Does anyone even believe Pakistan anymore? After Musharraf's recent interview to BBC, it must be patently obvious that Osama's whereabouts was known to the high brass. The best part is they made billions in the pretext of finding him.
i think that the evidence should be shared with all the muslim countries aswell as europeans.
@Spock: lol. Believe me, it's India who started this dossier thing after Mumbai attacks. :)
Just one little paragraph about the dossier and rest on so called American war on terror. LOL! Please elaborate waht evidences did Pak handed?
Please share what ever evidence you have with the Pakistani & Indian public keep it a secret and share it only with Uncle Sam ?
When will Pakistan learn that it needs to sort out it
s problem itself. No ones going to sort its problems, and by begging non stop, it makes matter`s more worse. Pakistani Leadership has been howling since 1948 about Kashmir to be part of Pakistan. Did anyone bother? It fought & lost 3 wars (including & Bangladesh kargil). Did any country including USA/China come to its rescue despite pleading? By following the policy of strategic depth, Pakistan is left with Radical Terrorists and the situation has gone from bad to worse. When will the leadership learn? Will it ever?When Mateen Haider, a Pakistani journalist asked Kerry about Indisn funding of TTP he dismissed it outright as an assumption not founded on facts. That tells us how credible the dossier was. It probably also had a video clipping of Ajit Doval when he was simply a retired officer and not an NSA .
In any case the former information minister Kaira has himself admitted that while he felt India was involved in Bslochistan, the PPP government never found solid profit shared it with India.
We are on same page as Army Chief passes this dossier, Prime Minister greets Modi. Greeting is for carrying terrorist activities in Pakistan if evidence produced are true ?
The former ISPR Jernail recently said on TV that Pakistan did not have concrete proof that India was involved in Balochistan. He said that the proof was circumstantial. You can provide any dossier you want to anyone you want.
Dossiers are passed on all the time. But the contents, despite years and years of claims, have NOT been made public and evidence allowed for cross-examination and for open scrutiny.
Unless that actually happens, many will consider Pak claims of Indian involvement as bogus and farcical. What is stopping Govt of Pakistan and Pak Army from declaring the evidence?
Either declare or stop whining about anecdotal claims, please.
After stoking four decades of militancy in Kashmir, Pakistan shouldn't be complaining for a small pay back and a lesson as well since it refuses to abandon its adventurism across its borders despite suffering immensely at home.
@Samir - Why did your establishment take all these years to release this 'dossier'? Why were they sleeping on it, if they had the proofs?
Finally, all this won't fly because - Indian soil is not being used to sponsor anti-Pakistan activities (it could be through Afghanistan if at all). - Indian non-state actors are not involved. Nobody (including your country) has complained about India trying to infiltrate its non-state actors into Pakistan, under cover fire from its armed forces as Pakistan routinely does and is accused of.
That's not dossier only literature.
Even never imagine that US will pay any its attentions on shared dossiers with US because the beggars and slaves never have any sovereignty,respect and honor and this is harsh reality that Pakistani leadership is beggar and slave in US' documents....
@SuperNeo:
"Good book of jokes for obama while flying back …."
This will never reach Obama. The lower officers will look at it, laugh and throw it off.
Modi realizes the fact that once Pak and India gets together peacefully realizing the long standing and well established notion that POK is with Pak and J&K is with India, both China and US would come calling to south east Asia. China's fishing in with India and pak troubles is gaining China in big way. It makes India and pak drift from their brotherhoods. China is using pak to check mate India in all UN activities. China used Pak's and its allies' negative votes against India's sashi Tharoor for UN secretary General position and lobbied hard to elect its neighbor Korea's Ban Ki-Moon to head UN as an representative of Asea. Same thing China did for electing the head of IMF. Pak, India and south Asean countries together are not being represented in UN and world bodies as part of Asean representation because we all here by pulling leg of each other and thus being economically poor. But China using this infighting and using our economies for its growth and its mangolean breed. Pak should realize its potential and ally with India and modi to groW ALL OF US AS A BLOCK TO DICTATE THE WORlD AS REPRESENTATION OF ASEA. PAK SHOULD OVERCOME ITS INFERIORITY COMPLEXION AND WORK AS YOUNGER BROTHER
The dossier contains one great new undeniable fact about Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan. That fact is that all the terrorists killed or caught are uncircumcised and were wearing saffron hand bands.
Whereas, India should be rewarded as the most peace loving and non-interfering country in the world!
How can I get hold of a copy of this dossier ? Any Pakistani can help me to obtain this.
Again, Pakistan making US a bid daddy. Why cry of your problems to other people.
Good book of jokes for obama while flying back ....
I have been waiting to see this "Dossier" here in USA for over one year. I am disappointed that I have not been able to see it though announcements were made that it will be made available in USA. Indians and Pakistanis in UK and UAE have seen it and many liked it also. Yes, I am talking about Pakistani movie "Waar".
who shared, army cheif, who should share has written a love letter for "killing conspiracy in pakistan
@samir: Here we need proof, in PAK just releasing statements like that is enough.
The Americans will say this is 'tit for tat.' The global 'phaddae baaz' can't get enough satisfaction by promoting peace among member nations so. It has to sharpen its craftiness otherwise, the Military Industrial Complex will get annoyed. Don't expect anything from the US. Frankly, China can do something much to the dismay of the West, but will it? Salams
good job! the truth has to be put out there. We have made a lot of mistakes but that doesnt mean other parties are clean.
Oh no ! Now we are stuffed !! When did Pakistan develop the dossier technology?? Surely the Chinese must have helped them.
Why old news, is recycled now? We all know what USA has told us about this information. FAIL.
The question is; how does this narrative is build on international media like CNN and BBC. We all know what India is doing, however, it has to be brought in the limelight.