India claimed that Pakistan fired on its troops who were on the Indian side of the LoC. PHOTO: FILE
Pakistan has denied that it launched an unprovoked attack.
The incident was "a significant escalation ... of ceasefire violations and infiltration attempts supported by the Pakistan Army," alleged Rajesh K. Kalia, spokesperson for the Indian army's Northern Command.
An Indian foreign ministry spokesperson referred queries to the military.
Pakistan denies "unprovoked" attack
The Pakistan army though has denied that it launched an unprovoked attack that allegedly killed two Indian soldiers in Kashmir on Tuesday.
The Indian army claimed that the Pakistanis had violated the ceasefire along the heavily militarised Line of Control dividing the disputed territory of Kashmir.
But a Pakistani army spokesperson said in a text message "Pakistan military officials deny Indian allegation of unprovoked firing."
The allegation follows another disputed incident on Sunday, when Pakistan said Indian army troops attacked their base and killed a soldier. India said they had not launched an attack instead Pakistani troops had bombarded their positions for more than five hours.
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@Asad: bhai kashmir humara hai usse aapko kya karna
@Iyaz Ali: Kya milega dost aisa kar ke......dono desh aman shanti se nahi reh sakte kya
@KANWAL: and yes i forgot to mention,i agree with you that we are our own enemy thanks to the ignorance of our people and our economic meltdown.what i dont get is how is there a connection of that to LOC incident to TTP being changed as number one or number 2 enemy!
@Clear Black Bag:
BTW, Jihadis have killed thousands of Pakistanis in Pakistan. So, when do you plan to "redeliver" their messages?!
@G. Din "Pakistan did not capture any territory from Indians. They were chased from Srinagar airfield to where the LOC is now"
fine let us take your point then that means if another major full scale war breaks out then from there onwards Indian army will move forward and win back entire J&K since pakistan army dont have capability to fight and stop Indian army for more than week or a two.Sometime i feels Indian Government is slow enough on some issue but sometimes i also feel they are smart enough with other issues like LOC.minor here and there is going on therefor pressure is also being build up on govt and yes dont talk about your nuclear weapon please do ask some credible think tank or do some research honestly wheather you can be able to use nuclear weapon or not since specifically for your nuclear weapon strategic blue print might be already ready and your missile is valueless to to the arrival of ballistic missile defence era.
"@Tony Singh:@salaar: Message taken and appropriate reply will be given in time. Rest assured about it." We are ready and not sleeping to redeliver the messages against like your messages on the exact and accurate time and also we have been used to your such these types of messages and in the past we also have been receiving such these types of aggressive messages from you frequently as well.....
@Azi: lol ...u really have a good sense of humour.
Like Bangladesh ... India will have to wait for the proper opportunity ... Looking forward to see additional 5 countries in the list of the world.... India has only retaliated when its bruised ... and now is the time ....
Eternal peace can only be had after a decisive war. Unfortunately, India missed the opportunity to make the 1971 war decisive.
@salaar: I agree you delivered us a very effective message. Congratulations to your nation.
We accept that Pakistan got better of us. We are at fault for taking things lightly with Pakistanis and for not taking precautionary measures in fog like situations. We deserved these 2 be-headings. Pakistanis you have earned the right to make fun of us, even though your are inhuman. This situation is of our making.
@iffi: Just try more stunts like this.
Well, Pakistani army is no different than the Taliban in severing heads of Indian soldiers which is a grave violation of international norms which may lead to serious implications. This is repeat of Kargil incident but in this war Pakistan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Indian Army. This incident also appears to be a ploy to derail the talks process as well as diverting the attention of Pak people to the Eastern border who are suffering endlessly at the hands of Taliban. Pakistan who is already guilty of indulging in continuous cross-border terrorism has further aggravated the situation by indulging in such brutality. This ghastly incident will have far reaching implications for Pakistan not only with its neighbour but at international level as US too has been a victim of double-crossing for the past one decade.
End is near for Pakistan. Mark my words.
@salaar: Message taken and appropriate reply will be given in time. Rest assured about it.
Love you PAK Army... Indians shouldn't have martyred our soldier
All of you hold your horses: we all know who is a beheading fanatical group in PAK and elements of PAK army within this group is not an indication that PAK army as an institution is involved. Govts of both sides know it and the generals on the both sides know it.
When military acknowledged that the threat is not from the east and from within, the goons started blasting the guns from PAK LOC.
Expecting a mass troop movement from India is unlikely unless real PAK army is involved, as in Kargil. Since Mumbai, GOI and PAK recognize that the out of state actors that PAK is trying to control within her soil are a menace and have to face them.
All the doom and gloom is not going to happen except for few poor soldiers of both sides becoming casualty.
The fact is this: PAK is in no position to fight a war, and India has no interest to entangle in the enticing war.
All the nonsense of Kashmir issue: the matter is settled between the governments long time ago and when BJP and strong Pak government comes into power, the matter will be signed.
Only BJP government can sell the settlement to Indian masses and in PAK a strong political government backed by army is needed to sell this to PAK masses.
So relax.
Message very well delivered to the enemy.
Take in every news, from both armies, with a grain (heck, a tub) of salt. This madness needs to stop. India needs to focus on the Maoists who, just two days ago, killed seven Indian armymen, and Pakistan...well, has enough internal terrorrism to battle.
The bodies have been mutilitaed and heads have been decapitated . Is it any different than what the mad taliban do in afganistan? Pakistan Army= Taliban.
That a sick country and what a sick way it practices the religion of peace. By beheading. Primitive anduncivilized people.
Clearly, some one do not want the peace process going fwd between India and Pakistan. It is the test to check our resolve. We either succumb to prejudices or keep patience and let the peace process move ahead.
Everybody want to appreciate the armies of their countries, but such unnecessary incidents cause a loss of life on each side and takes away shelter from a family. Shame on the people who is considering such indecent as supremacy of one army over the other.
@Saad I almost groaned when i read your comment. But let me explain what i think. I think they get their ideological spices from a friendly master nation called Saudis. They cry out loud about it. They get the status of being kept as Strategic Assets from our beloced establishment (someone has to keep people busy in something). And i am not mistaken that just a couple days ago, the thug killed in a drone attack ( i dont support drone attacks, mind you pls) called Mullah Nazir was NOT the India' conspiracy aimed at increasing polio in Pakistan. He was our vry own and dear Taliban. And the last thing i wish to mention is that i am sure many agencies from many countries ARE working in Pakistan to weaken us but does that not show us that our agencies and army and government is NOT working? You get my drift now? It doesnt take a lot of sophisticated weaponry to build an IED. Besides, the amount of money we spend on our army is more than enough to counter any internal threats and external ones, not to mention we have a nuke and enough fighter jets to bring down all the insurhents sitting cosily in the lawless region, EVEN if we accept your argument about the terrorism being a foreign attack. It too one dictator to sow these animals, another one to make sure the crop is ripe and profitable. Nations with much weaker armies and governments have gones ages ahead of us. What is so unique about Pakistan that others have to be our enemy? We have enough of them inside who are doing the majority of damage, spreading hate and violence. Pls wake up and smell the coffee. We ARE our own enemy. Majority of suicide bombers are pakistanis, not indian.
The two Indian soliders were not killed by firing from Pakistani army, as this story (erroneously) reports. Pakistani soldiers infiltrated into Indian territory and killed the Indian soldiers, as Indian soldiers and civilians have reported. But the question is why is India not playing its cards to remind Pakistan that it can do as much and even more to hurt Pakistan. Pakistan, a rogue nation, has zero credibility. It would be myopic and strategically a fatal mistake to talk about "living in peace" with a neighbour whose state philosophy (it lacks even a concept of existence) -- the very raison d'etre -- has been its anti-India policy. Of course, Pakistan neither has the means nor the will to engage in a full-fledged war. These killings and then denying the barbaric acts are in line with the notoriously infamous Pakistani "denial and deception" tactic which is all too familiar to Indians and, meanwhile, also to the USA and NATO. Millions of Indians feel that Pakistan should not be allowed to get away with what is murder from the back. It is time for India to play its cards and not just talk and warn. Action is the best way to impress a hard-core criminal neighbour which falls woefully short of behaviour between two states, as prescribed in terms of international relations. By infiltrating Indian territory and killing two soldiers, Pakistan has also violated Indian sovereignty. It is foolish to invite rogues from across the border -- there was that hugely despised Rehman Malik, who was extended A-1 hospitality, followed by cricketers (thank goodness, Javed Miandad was given strong indications that he was unwelcome despite giving him, erroneously, a visa), Bollywood-aspiring Paki stars, etc. India needs to demonstrate firmness and come down with a heavy fist. I bet Americans would have got the killers in uniform by now and shipped them to Guantanamo where the majority of Pakis should be sent.
There goes the 'uniterrurptible' peace process ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Khuda Hafiz.
Since the establishment is against the wall to go after terrorists, this is divisionary tacit of re-focusing the Kashmiri issue. They will then tell that their troops are forced down on its eastern border and therefore cannot move troops. In the meantime, more people will be killed by the terrorists in Pakistan.
Blood for blood. Indians were full of bravado after killing a Pakistani soldier two days ago, why are they whimpering now?
@BruteForce: When India massed its decrepit war machinery at the border, hundreds of its soldiers died without Pakistan firing a shot, so please so mobilize again but this time make sure you have enough coffins because your ran out the last time.
@Asad: seriously, comments here with comments in indian newspaper. feel the hate. omg we r in a mess but they are still focused on pakistan
Indian govt and Indian army are saying something like this gave pakistan mfn despite opposition we showed patience, 2001 parliament attack we showed patience,periodic ceasefire violation since 2001 we showed patience,2008 26/11 mumbai attack we showed patience,libralized vise resigm we showed patience,not taken POK back forcibilly despite having ability to take it back or do so within few days we showed patience.....patience list continues.Like some international scolars,think tanks,defence strategists rightly says India has tremendous patience but what happen if that patience breaks in near future whose result the worlds has already seen as a new country bangladesh but they fear this this time i near future if Indias patience breaks it will be more than that of bangladesh who also believes that pakistan though have nuclear weapons but it cannot use those nuclear weapons apart from that pakistan missiles are virtually useless.
@Vectra: ever heard of nuclear energy?
@Vectra: "...,remember when pakistan illegally forcibily captured POK just after independence its army was considered virtually equavalent if not more than that of Indian army in firepower and strength and that is the reason they could captured POK..." Please try to study history before you quote wrongly from it. Pakistan did not capture any territory from Indians. They were chased from Srinagar airfield to where the LOC is now. LOC came in existence because that dunderhead Nehru and his side-kick Abdullah decided to announce a unilateral cease-fire at that juncture. In spite of entreaties of Indian army to allow them to clear Kashmir of all outside forces, Nehru was obstinate. The territory beyond LOC, therefore, remained in occupation of Pakistan by default. They would have been easily thrown out but for the fact that Abdullah had no following beyond that line and did not want any problems and Nehru was his bosom buddy. This is how fools in position of power manipulate people and countries!
With regards to the Indian allegations of 'mutilation and beheading', this propaganda was seen during the Kargil war as well, and never substantiated then either:
The Times of India’s Sidddharth Varadarajan writes that Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh’s allegation—made at the height of the Kargil conflict—that the bodies of six dead Indian soldiers were "severely mutilated" by Pakistanis, was never substantiated. "Virtually every newspaper carried the gory details released by an Indian wire service without waiting for independent confirmation. Such confirmation never arrived... During the war itself, at least two newspapers received information that the allegation was highly exaggerated—probably only one of the bodies bore signs of mutilation. But the journalists who received the information, chose to remain silent."
Varadarajan has also revealed that a newspaper and a magazine received reports from its correspondents at the war-front that Indian soldiers had mutilated the dead bodies of Pakistani soldiers in retaliation. But after heated editorial debates, it was decided to kill these stories—at least until the fighting was over."
http://www.pakistanaffairs.pk/kashmir-dispute/11199-pakistan-kills-2-indian-soldiers-retaliation-india.html
This is how Pakistan says 'Thank you' for holding their cricket team in India.
it was really a shameful act did by indian cowards ,there should be no more negotiation with india.they will never ever be our friends or neighbours ,no amman ki asha exit for them they know kutey ki basha only
I am kind of tired of all this stupid nonsense from both sides. I don't think any of these countries are sincere about living peacefully. Ideal situation would be to work together to eliminate terrorism. So much can be achieved if they start cooperating and stop interfering.
I was amazed by the amount of hate we are getting from this from the indian public.Just go check the times of india article comments. Jo Kashmir mai mare jaate hain un ka kuch nahi?
pakistan testing Indian patience,remember when pakistan illegally forcibily captured POK just after independence its army was considered virtually equavalent if not more than that of Indian army in firepower and strength and that is the reason they could captured POK but today in 2013 when pakistan army is nowhere near to Indian army it will be hard for pakistan to hold on POK for more than few days if India seriously think of winning it back but instead India is showing patience but proviking India will bring disastarous consequencies for pakistan as Indian army recently said "Serious provocation by pakistan in its comment".Indian army said we fired with light weapon but if they choose for hard and heavy weapon then stopping Indian army is just unstoppable.such provocation if lead to another terrorist attack in India linked to pakistan then no on can save pakistan from total disintegration and as unbaised towards any one this is a fact agreed by many think tanks.rejoicing these incidents by some pakistanis is a sign of egoism and foolishness.
we need to get rid of this spineless congress govt ........bring it on .......Move a division to western borders and we will see who starts crying.........my fellow countryman vote 4 Modi.......
@Pak101: Why don't you have a tit for tat policy with your own extremists? Clean up the mess in your house, then worry about others.
@Talha: let Paki army first save it's citizens, then let it teach Indian army. Let it first stop all the bomb blasts that's happening in its country.
@I-umaid: just because a Paki soldier died to days ago does not mean that Indian started the fight. Now stop whining. Let your army first show its power and ability in bringing peace and harmony in your country.
Just now in Times Now, a video fooftage was shown where a group of men with Pakistan flag entered 600 m inside Indian side of LOC. Those men killed 2 of our soldiers and beheaded them. One of them even had a mutilated body.
According to one Indian army general, this is the 73 rd ceasefire violation since 2003. The issue here is not of killing each other but of brutally slaughtering army men and blatantly violating Geneva Convention.
Those Pakistani friends who are challenging this incident or rather supporting Pakistan army, please watch Times Now or check out the video in YouTube. Thank You.
Unfortunately this will not end soon. Vengeance is in the blood. Army-men have long memories & hurt-counter hurt will go on.
@Talha: and surrender as you did in Dacca?
This summer is going to be interesting.
@Kanwal:where do you think TTP gets its ammunition and guns from?they have more advancd small arms then pakistan army.So just dont stereotype everything about army!!tit for tat is the right thing to do!
Pakistan's first civilian-to-civilian transfer of government is about to happen. This would set a dangerous precedent for the future, or so think many in the GHQ. Something should be done to prevent this from happening, but what?? Hmmmm......Kashmir, anyone?
Tit for Tat !!!! Salute you Pak Army !!!
I think we should up the ante and ask the TTP and Balochis to do what they do best.
Pakistanis already believe TTP is being supported by India, why not make it the truth? TTP are already very good are slitting Pakistani soldier's throat.
When India amassed its war machinery on the LoC, it was Musharaff who agreed to stop infiltration into India.
India can safe up the ante on the border as Pakistan is entrenched in an un-winnable insurgency in the tribal areas and is fast losing control of Territories. Pakistan will either have to placate India or move its troops towards the Eastern border thereby giving space for TTP to regroup and strike at will.
Either way, Pakistan gets hurt, even if India just mobilises its troops.
Tit for tat!
well done Pakistan army , keep teaching lesson to Indian army ,
@KarachiBaby Pakistanis can only win these small things from India. How about four wars and seven World Cup losses (including a final)
"In a gruesome attack, Pakistani troops on Tuesday crossed into Indian territory and ambushed an Army patrol party killing two soldiers whose heads were reportedly chopped off" (Copied from times of india). You people can thank our hijra pm for not taking any action .It was the violation of geneva convention.Just imagine what happens if in reply india violates UN convention of water sharing
First it was on Cricket Ground 2-1 and now the same score on LoC. Tit for Tat
Well why do I feel that Pak military is facing some differences from within. Days after the leadership announce that the problem lies in the west, there seems to be a deliberate effort from a section inside military to go against it. Is it because that this section does not want the focus to be put on TTP because of obvious reasons?
There was not a single news item in Indian print or electronic media when they raided one of Pakistani post on border..and now look what ET has done, instead of telling us the Pakistani version of events they are informing us about what India thinks...great work guys..keep it up..
This foolishness needs to be put to an end.
beheading isn't the work of PA. Seems like TTP in PA uniforms. Remember PA is much more professional than Indian army, TTP doesn't even come close.
Ok ok. I get it: India GETS to stay the Enemy No.1. We wont ask for replacement of it with TTP. now pls stop cross border fun for the purpose of pursuading us.
The Indian news report is that Pakistani soldiers crossed the LOC and killed two Indian soldiers by beheading them. They were not killed by firing but by beheading according to those news reports in the Indian press. God only knows what is true. We just have no choice butt to take in everything.
Love you Pak Army, eent ka jawab patar say ..........
@Harshvardhan sharma: LOC violation was started by your army now don't cry like a baby OK
A Pakistani Soldier was killed by the Indian Army 2 day's ago, So it was started by them and not by Pak Army........
Looking at unprovoked incidents since 2003 ceasefire can one expect aman from pak?
We should negotiate with India! After all, that is the advice we give ourself vis a vis the TTP.
Apparently the Indian soldiers were beheaded by the ultra warriors of Islam.
Why is Pakistan trying to infiltrate terrorists now?
I thought Pakistan has reduced supporting terrorists.
Pak army we love you
Do continue that. We should send more militants and try to destabilize them more
How much false information.dont know who to believe