Pakistan test fires Hatf IV ballistic missile

Published: April 25, 2012

RAWALPINDI: Pakistan successfully conducted a test launch of the intermediate-range ballistic missile Hatf IV Shaheen 1A weapon system, demonstrating its capability of carrying both nuclear and conventional warheads, a statement from Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said on Wednesday.

The missile, an improved version of Shaheen-1 has a better range than before and is capable of hitting its target more accurately with improvements in range and technical parameters.

Today’s launch, with the impact point at sea, was witnessed by Director General (DG) Strategic Plans Division (SPD) Lieutenant General Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, Chairman NESCOM Muhammad Irfan Burney, Commander Army Strategic Force Command Lieutenant General Tariq Nadeem Gilani and other senior military officers, scientists and engineers.

DG SPD Lt-Gen Kidwai congratulated all scientists and engineers on the successful launch, and the accuracy of the missile in reaching the target.

He said that the improved version of Shaheen 1A will further consolidate and strengthen Pakistan’s deterrence abilities.

Kidwai appreciated the efforts of all personnel for their dedication and professionalism.

The exact range of the missile was not revealed, but retired General Talat Masood, a defence analyst, told AFP it would be able to hit targets up to 2,500 to 3,000 kilometres (1,550 to 1,850 miles) away, putting India well within reach.

Reader Comments (147)

  • Sajid
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:23AM

    How much is Range?

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  • Atif Razzaq
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:24AM

    Excellent Job………
    we are proud on our Scientist and ARMY………..

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  • WordLife
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:25AM

    “The improved version of Shaheen 1A will further consolidate and strengthen Pakistan’s deterrence abilities”

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  • Vigilant
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:29AM

    Congratz to engineers and scientists on successful test…..keep it going…

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  • Zeta
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:29AM

    Before the indians spam this article, Let me congratulate the scientists and engineers for their job.

    Pakistan Zindabad!

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  • Sheda_Rambo
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:30AM

    Does this MIssile have MIRV capabilities ???????
    MIRV capability will Over Shadow any Hype created by Indian ICBM …

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  • baldtree
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:31AM

    What did it demonstrate? Range, accuracy? Or was it just tit for tat. A longer range beyond India serves no purpose unless it is for Israel. If it is Pakistan would be withing Israel’s response. India is inconsequential.

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  • Hairan
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:31AM

    Congratz to the nation … Pakistan Zindabad

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  • Sam
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:35AM

    People of our country are deprived of food, health, clean drinking water etc and our government are testing missiles. Disgusted !!!

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  • Anujpandey
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:36AM

    This pakistani missile is not strongest as our agni-5 made by india

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  • Asif
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:37AM

    Was expecting Pakistan to test an ICBM with range of 5000+ Km, Ghauri 3 or Shaheen 3. But this is disappointing.

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  • Ib
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:43AM

    Why would anyone want to put nuclear warheads on a missile which may only travel 500 km max. ???? this is sheer madness !!!

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  • Uzair Jawed
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:46AM

    OK, a counter test by Pakistan after tests by india.

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  • Proud Pakistani
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:49AM

    I think we sent India a clear response to their Agni missile. Pakistan Zindabad. I was expecting this launch. Was just wondering when it would happen

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  • 3footninja
    Apr 25, 2012 - 11:52AM

    wonderful!… we don’t need food, health or education… just more missiles. keep it up!

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 11:55AM

    Answer to India?

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  • Awais Ch
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:02PM

    Congratulations Pakistan, Am unable to find words of appreciation for the very last sentence
    putting India well within reach.

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  • saqib riaz
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:04PM

    Pakistan developed nuclear arsenal in 1998 and since then the whole nation is busy protecting them. These missiles are of no use to the nation because war is impossible now. Spend this defence budget on the poor who are dying of hunger and contaminated water !

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  • Zeta
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:07PM

    @Anujpandey:
    We got india covered already. No need for bigger range

    PS: Would you stop gloating about agni v? Chinese are already having a good laugh at you

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  • Zeta
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:15PM

    @Sam:
    @3footninja:
    We already are spending highly conservatively on defense compared to the war mongering saffron brigade in the east. and yet guys like you still whine about it.

    missile programs has provided jobs to many engineers and scientists and workers. Do you have problem with this too?

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  • Moderate Pakistani
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:17PM

    Most likely they are repainting and firing the old ones!

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  • Faraz
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:17PM

    @Vigilant:
    YEAH, keep going, no food, no security but keep churning these missiles, we would rather have our poor die due to hunger then stop spending money on all this, MashaAllah, what jazba. Congratulations.

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  • munchkin bob
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:18PM

    Just last week it was India .. It is time to put a halt on burning millions of dollars, or at least a treaty on reducing the nuclear cache

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  • ashok sai
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:20PM

    India has no first use policy on nukes, why don’t Pakistan also follow it if they are doing everything based on India’s actions ???

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  • Udaya Bose
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:20PM

    Congratulations to Pakistan on successful launch of Shaheen 1A/aka Hatf IV/ aka M-9.
    The neighbourhood is suitably impressed and chastened.

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  • Reality
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:21PM

    Just read the link below and which one can make Pakistan stand tall “Begging bowl in one hand and nuclear missile in other hand” OR “No begging bowl at all with full dignity in all internal as well world stage matters”

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/369493/ip-pipeline-govt-considers-alternative-as-russia-caves-in-to-pressure-business/

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  • SaQiB
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:24PM

    good………. i hope the Indians get the answer

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  • sibtain
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:26PM

    Pakistan Zindabad….providing food..shelter and and cheap residence is govt resposibilty…not of our scientist and engineers….its nice to see that atleast our scientist and engineers are working honestly for our country

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  • rsk
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:27PM

    How can pakistan come out with revised missile the moment India tests its. Can this phenomena be repeated for positive actions viz. launch of satelite, etc.

    Just freshly painting and firing an existing North Korean missile will help no one but Korea by getting fresh order for more.

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  • Uza Syed
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:31PM

    Now, those of us, poverty stricken, who don’t have two square meals a day, who can’t have education or any basic medical care can draw strength from the fact that our these missiles will help obliterate the people like me and their sufferings across the borders and in response their’s would take care of all the miseries that we must tackle with in our miserable lives over here. Sure, congratulations—-our leaders found good solutions to issues of poverty and under development here and also there.

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  • okie dokie
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:32PM

    Superb Job

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  • Zulfiqar Baig
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:36PM

    Well done Pakistani Scientists and Engineers. Keep it up. Its best chance now for Pakistan to test more than 5000 km nuclear missiles.

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  • Badr
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:36PM

    & so the arms race begins yet again, fooling ourselves with delusions of grandeur whilst the masses strive to put a decent meal for their families, let me point out that the cost of this would have fed millions and more importantly the country needs to improve the law and order situation internally rather than focusing on external threats.

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:36PM

    Gud. gud.

    This is what I’m talking abt. India should spend billions prompting Pakistan to spend billions. Their already bleeding economy will die faster.

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  • Pinto
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:38PM

    Another chinese crap

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  • abdulazeez
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:38PM

    The dawn said its range up to 750 km…………………which one is right..?

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  • BlackJack
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:41PM

    Well, all I can say is that those voices which were clamouring for India to take care of its poor population instead of building missiles when the Agni V was test-fired last week seem unanimous in praise for this launch, despite the fact that a missile design, preparation and launch would cost pretty much the same to both nations in nominal terms – which means that the real impact on Pak GDP is almost 8 times higher. No worries – keep spending. It is interesting that the missile has been named Shaheen – 1A despite existence of Shaheen-II (and has a similar range) – is this because the re-entry vehicle is not as sophisticated but the CEP has been improved?

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  • Asad
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:44PM

    How much did they spend? On one side begging for aids and on the other playing fire crackers!
    For whose sake was this test?

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  • dude
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:44PM

    people are dying .. air crash.. bomb blasts.. how can they test missiles in such cases..
    can this missile kill terrorist within?

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  • Asad
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:46PM

    If it is a tit for tat test then …it is a poor response as it is not comparable with the intercontinental capability..of Agni

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  • ashok
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:46PM

    Pakistan is now the only established Islamic Aitmee Taakat.

    They should now design IP gas pipe line, motorcycles, cars, buses, locomotive engines and electric generating stations to help poor Pakistanis and save foreign exchange which is scarce in Pakistan unlike India which as almost $400 as foreign exchange reserves..

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  • Asad
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:48PM

    @Zulfiqar Baig:
    What will happen after that? will you start feeding all the poor that donot have even one proper meal a day? Or do you want the govt to keep going to the US with a begging bowl for ever?

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  • Fiaz Ahmed
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:51PM

    Would that millions hunger struck people could eat missiles but alas they can not. It is sarcastic that a country spending 2 percent of its budget on health and education programs, spending more than half of its budget on defense. Whom you are going to defend? The people are dying with hunger, poverty, they have no health facilities, no quality education. Oh ic you are going to defend dead. Well done very wise.

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  • Travian
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:53PM

    750 km. hahahahaaaa. NORTH KOREA ZINDABAD.

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  • ashok
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:55PM

    Good job; Pakistan scientists and engineers are really great. Never ever a single test of ballistic or cruise missiles and nuclear bomb conducted by Pakistan failed. Those who think that Pakistan got already tested and field-tried designs of bombs and missiles from China and North Korea are jealous of Pakistan and fools.

    Paki media: http://www.ipl.edu.pk/document/Pakistan_Army.pdf

    “It further discloses that the Army’s one-day spending is equivalent to the running
    year’s total allocation for education ministry, and the air-force’s per day
    expenditures far exceed what was allocated to the health ministry for running the
    financial year ending this month (2011-2012)”.

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  • malatesh
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:55PM

    It is already tested in China.. what is the need to retest it again?

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  • Travian
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:55PM

    @Zulfiqar Baig:
    hahahahaaaaaaa 5000 km. NORTH KOREA ZINDABAD?

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  • saad khan
    Apr 25, 2012 - 12:55PM

    @Sam:
    without this defence u cant even be able to drink dirty water and a bit ROOTI….so plz keep quite.!

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:03PM

    @Uza Syed: We have rich govts with poor people

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  • Hakeem
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:04PM

    What good are these missiles? Only decoration pieces because May-02 raid and Salala Check post raids tell us that we are vulnerable!

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  • StupidAct
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:13PM

    @saad

    you are far from the ground reality.

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  • A real Bloch
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:13PM

    About time to test TIPU ICBM and shut our enemies and stop the arm race once for all, bring 13000Km range missile. Pakistan with Love!!

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 1:15PM

    Good! Now make a missile that explodes and scatters grain and books all over the city.

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  • ashok
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:17PM

    @ashok:

    Typo

    I meant India has $400 BILLION worth foreign exchange reserve which could well be in the top 5 nations in the world.

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  • ashok
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:24PM

    @malatesh:

    Pakistan army does need target practice with actual missiles. Besides, there could be problems during shipping and assembly of missiles if they were actually supplied by China or Korea which is hard to believe.

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  • revo
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:28PM

    its not about Range

    Pakistani Missiles are equipped with more Advanced system

    at least Pakistani Army is working in right direction in Pakistan

    Pakistan Zindabad

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  • Atif Razzaq
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:28PM

    Pakistan Zinda Baad, Pakistan ARMY Slam with proud

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  • Uzair Javaid
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:30PM

    @malatesh: ohh really? =D While your missile and rocket technology purely based on Russian innovations, at least you indians need to keep shut!

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:31PM

    @Awais Ch: Sad that we are happy when we are told we can destroy each other but unhappy when there is mention of improving relations. Notice i said we

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  • Faraz
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:33PM

    @Zeta:
    if you only had a little sense! provided jobs yes but where are these scientists doing for the common people? their talents could be utilized in making something that benefits common people, help spread education.. something more useful, not war toys, they could help our young graduates/engineers. At least India has a name in education, why don’t we follow them in that discipline too. Why just war stuff, we beg for money all over the place, have no dignity whatsoever so that people like YOU can be fooled time and time again by having this FAKE pride that comes from launching these useless missiles!!

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  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:36PM

    May Allah bestow his choicest favors on our Scientists who keep the enemy at Bay.

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  • barkat ali
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:40PM

    Good news
    but should gave some time to our interior security

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  • somebody1
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:42PM

    How many times will you keep testing a 750 kms already tested northkorean missile, looks like the pakistani enginners and scientists could not understand the manual.

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  • Uza Syed
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:48PM

    @jagjit sidhoo: Not only that “we have rich governments with poor people”—–but we have those in the government who give a damn to those for who the governments or even states are—shame on them with such disrespect for the masses.

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  • Knotty
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:48PM

    From Nuclear Tests to this test proves that we are not agressors.
    .
    We are only getting ready after India shows her destructive intentions in various ways!!

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  • Uza Syed
    Apr 25, 2012 - 1:52PM

    @Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd): May Allah curse those among us who spend our money to create means of our destruction, both, here and there. It’s time that the masses stand up and reject such ventures, invest our money to improve our lot. Provide us education, basic health-care and yes, three squire meals for us and our families through job creation and equal opportunity to earn a living.

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  • SAK
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:00PM

    Long live Pakistan.

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  • S
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:05PM

    @ashok, India also has debt of over 2 trillion dollars. Any body knowing little about finance can do the maths.

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  • Rahim Khan
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:07PM

    @abdulazeez:
    Actually both are right. The rest is called CEP which means circular error probability. This also means that we have been able to scare a wide swathe of countries. Countries like korea, India, china and a few other countries. The good part is that we are safe Inshallah. The travel for the first 750 kms is assured. The excitement of where it will fall starts only after the initial 750 kms. Our scientists are trying hard to solve that problem.

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  • jack
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:10PM

    Pakistan is wasting their money….what is the use of this missiles it will be shot down by india’s Akash anti ballistic missiles…giving india second strike capability…and pakistan donot have anti balistic missile and donot hope from china they will never supply this technology to pakistan…Recommend

  • jagjit sidhoo
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:31PM

    @Uza Syed: With you brother

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  • Khalid Aziz Chaudhary
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:47PM

    @Uza Syed:

    Thanks for voicing the real issue up. You are the sanest voice here. Bravo :)

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  • Mj
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:50PM

    Why is our missile named after an Afghan conqueror?

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  • Waqas Butt
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:56PM

    We must and we will improve our defenses at any cost so the enemy thinks 100 times before doing anything silly.

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  • Basim Ali Jafri
    Apr 25, 2012 - 2:56PM

    standing ovation

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  • Nikhilesh
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:01PM

    New York Times report says it has “a possible range of 466 to 620 miles.”

    That is not a big improvement.
    In any case, Pakistan should protect its own people from homegrown terrorists first and then plan about hitting India with nuclear warheads.

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  • BlackJack
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:02PM

    @Rahim Khan:
    That is a ridiculous explanation. Less than 0.2% of the rounds are expected to land beyond say 150 m from the target in the case of Shaheen-II (which has a CEP around 50 m); unless your Chinese friends haven’t given you the right components this time, you will not hit the wrong country even if your target was the Vatican or San Marino (if it were within range). If the range of this missile is supposed to be only 750 km, then it is just a superior variant of the existing Shaheen-I, possibly with superior re-entry vehicle and lower CEP.

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 3:06PM

    In terms of Hatf IV 3000km Range (From Pakistan ) it covers

    Complete Territory : India , Bangladesh , Myanmar , Nepal , Bhutan , Iran , Afghanistan , Turkmenistan , Kazakhstan, Tajikistan , Uzbekistan , Kyrgyzstan , Azerbaijan, Armenia , Arabian Peninsula.Iraq , Syria & Israel .

    Partial Territory : Russia , China , Laos , Thailand ,Turkey , Egypt , Sudan , Eritrea , Ethiopia , Somalia.

    (Except India & Israel , Pakistan has normal relations with all above nations)

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 3:07PM

    Patriotism is slavery. Tolstoy

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  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:30PM

    @Zeta:
    Its better that Pakistan develops a missile which can attack the terrorists growing on its soil.
    Missile which can attack people like Hafiz Sayed who are financing & promoting terrorism .
    If this is done than there will be no need for any expenditure on any missile development.

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  • Ahmad
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:37PM

    I wish both India and Pakistan stop this missile race and arms craze, and spend the resources on the well-being of their poor people..

    I know it is not easy to do, but a little food for thought for our so-called leaders..

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  • PoorPeace!
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:39PM

    @S: “India also has debt of over 2 trillion dollars. Any body knowing little about finance can do the maths.”

    God only knows what sort of Maths is taught in pakistan and from where they get the data.
    Debt of $2 trillion LOL!!!

    India’s total external debt is $261.1 billion (source: wikipedia)

    India’s total public debt (for uninitiated: this includes external debt) is Rs. 29,21,360 which at exchange rate of 50:1 converts to $584.27 billion (source: Indian FinMin website)

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  • Umer
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:46PM

    What is the point of these missiles when we are totally insecure internally? We can’t protect Bannu Jail but want to spend all money on missiles. We need to seriously reconsider our priorities.

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  • Hasan Awan
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:49PM

    @Asif: Well an intercontinental missile will not be beneficial for Pakistan at all and we dont need it as many Countries could slap sanctions upon Pakistan as Pakistan dont need deterrance away from India at present and Hataf iv covers india and that is enough for Pakistan.

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  • Umer
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:51PM

    @Waqas Butt:

    We must and we will improve our
    defenses at any cost so the enemy
    thinks 100 times before doing anything
    silly.

    Salala check post, Mehran base, Bannu Jail..enemy just doesn’t want to think 100 times before they attack no matter how many nuclear weapons we have. Somehow enemy is not getting the message. What can we do?

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  • iron
    Apr 25, 2012 - 3:57PM

    pak-china friendship zindabad

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  • Ag babar
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:05PM

    @Sheda_Rambo:

    Yes , Pakistan have this capability but its not disclosed , u can get clue from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistanandweaponsofmassdestruction#MIRVcapability

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  • Jpy
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:13PM

    @Zeta:
    How many times you have to test this. The chinese has already tested this before transfering the technology. Try something worth & better

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  • Saleem
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:17PM

    There is power shortage, not enough clean driking water, an education crises and what do our generals do; test fire another missile. No wonder the country is in such mess. The USSR had lots of nuclear bombs and missiles but it disintegrated because it was weak in several important areas. The ssame applies to ‘the land of the pure’ Maybe we should all commit collective suicide using our nuclear bombs and missiles.

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  • willa
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:20PM

    @BlackJack:
    shaheen 2 CEP is 350 m, not 50.

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 4:24PM

    Congratulation on successful test. Yes we dont lack behind India, we are enough capable of conducting such test. Indeed its a great news for all of us.

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 4:34PM

    bravo… pakistan

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  • imposter
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:34PM

    Feed your people first!

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  • PoorPeace!
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:55PM

    @PoorPeace!: “India’s total public debt (for uninitiated: this includes external debt) is Rs. 29,21,360 “

    TYPO
    Its Rs. 29,21,360 crore

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  • enlighten moderate
    Apr 25, 2012 - 4:57PM

    feels good to be strong

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  • Azim
    Apr 25, 2012 - 5:01PM

    Nice to know – but we should focus on taking this nation forward on other areas as else these rockets will have a sad story to tell that they were made by country who could not even make a proper car!

    We need booster rockets for our economy and society as a whole…can anyone help?

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  • BlackJack
    Apr 25, 2012 - 5:13PM

    @willa:
    You sound rather proud of that fact that your missiles are grossly inaccurate. 350 m would be beyond acceptable CEP – I am very sorry to note that you are not getting your money’s worth (Agni-III is supposed to have a CEP less than 40 m).

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  • Dr V. C. Bhutani
    Apr 25, 2012 - 5:14PM

    What does this missile test-firing tell us that we did not know already? It was well known that Pakistan had the means of causing enormous damage to India by using nuclear weapons atop missiles that it was known to have. The origin and technology of those missiles is not important. What is important is that Pakistan has those missiles. India’s Agni V was not addressed to Pakistan. Then how is Hatf IV an answer to India’s test-firing of its own missile? The Indian action as well as now the Pakistani action shall be duly taken note of in appropriate places.
    On the one hand Prime Minister Gilani says the era of wars is over. On the other he authorizes test-firing of missiles.
    In May 1998 Chagai made immense sense after Pokhran II. I am not sure I can say the same about Hatf IV after Agni V.
    Pakistan’s scientists and technologists certainly have given a good account of themselves.
    V. C. Bhutani, Delhi, India, 25 Apr 2012, 1744 IST

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  • Its (still) Econonmy Stupid
    Apr 25, 2012 - 5:18PM

    Define improved?

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  • someone
    Apr 25, 2012 - 5:32PM

    ok well done Pakistan

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  • joy
    Apr 25, 2012 - 5:47PM

    100 comments on this ………………………but just three (3) on the editorial about fight against polio in Pakistan….and surprise surprise………two of those three comments are from Indians………

    says a lot..doesn”t it :)

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  • Shamsheer
    Apr 25, 2012 - 6:11PM

    Well all of those who are not in the favor of spending on defence should know that our Prophet (PBUH) taught us to always get strength by arming ourselves. He set an example by himself when he sold all of his usable things in home except his swords. This world has always seen GOOD vs EVIL and will always see it until the day of judgement. Be it in Palestine, chechnia, afghanistan or Kashmir. So defence is more important than luxury. Our nation can survive without eating good food but not without a freedom (which is vulnerable at the moment). Its not army who is effecting our education or other necessities, its meerly a propeganda spread by our heavily pro-indian media. its out corrput politicians who are eating us like anything affecting every single necessity of our lives.

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  • Mimi
    Apr 25, 2012 - 6:11PM

    @Sani Raza Khanani:
    Pakistan does not have any missile with a PROVEN RANGE beyond 710 miles. This is as per international reports. Unless, you have proof that pakistan has successfully tested any missile beyond that range, you are making false claims.Recommend

  • Zalmai
    Apr 25, 2012 - 6:24PM

    How silly is this arms race between India and Pakistan and the obligatory and congratulatory messages posted are nauseating. Indians and Pakistanis are the same people, with shared roots and it is disheartening to see the English Medium elites of both countries harboring so much hatred and resentment towards each other.

    If all this rhetoric and chest thumping were exercised by the Hindi and Urdu medium we could excuse their behavior for being provincial and unsophisticated but coming from the English educated is really discouraging. India and Pakistan are like two silly siblings holding grudges and fighting over petty stuff. Grow up for God’s sake.

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  • hussain
    Apr 25, 2012 - 6:46PM

    we are wasting our resources on such things, they have bad effect on our economy. instead of this if we use our potential and resources on the development of the nation like improving the quality of education, we can defeat all the countries by it……….

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  • Zalmai
    Apr 25, 2012 - 6:51PM

    @Shamsheer

    I am sure the Prophet Mohammad would cringe at the behavior of Muslims today. Please stop invoking the Prophet’s name in vain, in your silly diatribes.

    Your moniker should be Talwar not Shamsher you are not Persian and no amount of posturing and pretension will transcend you into another status other than the South Asian one you were born into.

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  • Singh
    Apr 25, 2012 - 7:13PM

    US vs U.S.S.R proven theory is working really fine in Indian subcontinent .

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  • demon
    Apr 25, 2012 - 7:20PM

    Which city/place this was tested? Or is this the only for news sake.

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  • antanu g
    Apr 25, 2012 - 7:45PM

    @Sam:
    so are millions across the nations who are indulged in arms race….

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  • antanu g
    Apr 25, 2012 - 7:48PM

    @SaQiB:
    stop comparing everything with india….this has already put in a mess .

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  • antanu g
    Apr 25, 2012 - 7:49PM

    @Pinto:
    well sometimes back you wrote china does not trust pakistan…then why it should provide missiles to pakistan….?

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 25, 2012 - 8:01PM

    @Uza Syed:

    “May Allah curse those among us who spend our money to create means of our destruction, both, here and there. It’s time that the masses stand up and reject such ventures, invest our money to improve our lot. Provide us education, basic health-care and yes, three squire meals for us and our families through job creation and equal opportunity to earn a living.”

    There is one big problem with what you are asking. And that is we – and the world – do not actually have that money you yearn to be spent for the benefit of the masses. Wealth of a nation is a consolidated sum of the worths of material and intellectual resources of the nation and is measured in terms of money. The real problem here is that every country in this worlds has printed more money than there are resources, especially the material resources, to back it.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 25, 2012 - 8:12PM

    @All Indian Trolls:

    OK, our missiles are made by Chinese and North Koreans, and F16′s by Americans. Why are you guys spending US$ 12 billion on the purchase of 126 fighter aircraft from France instead of making them by yourself. What happened to your talents?

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  • Meekal Ahmed
    Apr 25, 2012 - 8:27PM

    There goes how many billions? And what is the opportunity cost? Find out what this cost and then divide by the cost of a school or better drinking water and you will have your “opportunity cost”.

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  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    Apr 25, 2012 - 8:45PM

    @Shamsheer:
    Its surprising to hear conservative comments like those of yours in this Modern era. This is the problem why the govt of pakistan is spending huge amount on defence because most of people there are conservatives & extremists like u. By spending the begged amount from US and spending it on Defence , the govt & army of pakistan pleases you.
    P{lease understand that if Govt of India & Pakistan stops wasting huge amounts on defence then the money saved can be spent on problems faced by our countries.
    Pakistan: Problem of Lack of power can be minimised by diverting the money on power projects & removing poverty.
    and same in case of India . We can become super powers if we avoid so much money on defence budgets and simultaneously bribes are taken for these defence deals by Politicians.

    The extremists like u should understand that living a better present is better than wasting money on missiles &nukes moreover the money used by u has been begged from developed nations.

    @Lala Gee You are right but please accept that 126 aircraft India is going to purchase from France are not thru money attained by begging in front of anyone , it is the result of money achieved by India’s booming economy .
    So we can stand in front of anyone as we are not begging in front of anyone.

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  • Skin Taj
    Apr 25, 2012 - 8:59PM

    I am surprised to see so many comments by Indians.

    Indians MUST HAVE Inferiority complex that it gave them stomach ache seeing Pakistani Military might…
    We never bothered to make one comment when they did that agni or so missile test few days ago.
    We even did not “laugh” at their so called MOON MISSION and waste of millions of dollars !!!!!!!!!!!

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  • smj
    Apr 25, 2012 - 9:20PM

    Another waste of millions of rupees of Pakistani tax payers. It’s not appropriate to congratulate on good for nothing missile testing.

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  • Indian
    Apr 25, 2012 - 9:47PM

    India is developing antiballistic missile shield.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 25, 2012 - 9:49PM

    @Hindustan Ki Shakti:

    “@Lala Gee You are right but please accept that 126 aircraft India is going to purchase from France are not thru money attained by begging in front of anyone , it is the result of money achieved by India’s booming economy.
    So we can stand in front of anyone as we are not begging in front of anyone.”

    Why the governments who do not spend a million on providing shelter to their homeless would give billions to Pakistan. Do you seriously think they just give to Pakistan out of pure altruism. Why don’t they show this generosity to Ethiopia for example. As is a popular adage in those countries “there is no such thing as free lunch”, exactly is the case with Pakistan. Foreign aid is a well recognized tool of foreign policy used to achieve the donor country’s strategic objectives by providing aid to the helping country. It is never like a one way traffic. Both countries benefit from the transaction.

    And my best guess is you already know that, but keep on repeating the same thing again and again which is indicative of nothing but a bad nature of our eastern neighbors. Self deceiving cannot hurt anyone but your own self.Recommend

  • abhi
    Apr 25, 2012 - 10:29PM

    @lala gee
    You right, so exactly what pakistan is giving in return of the aid money?

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  • Apr 25, 2012 - 11:22PM

    India has the dubious distinction of being among the top ten on two very different lists: It ranks at the top of the nations of the world with its 270 million illiterate adults, the largest in the world, as detailed by a just released UNESCO report on education; India also shows up at number four in military spending in terms of purchasing power parity, behind United States, China and Russia.

    India is now the world’s largest importer of weapons in the world. India’s mad rush to arms itself to the teeth is the most destabilizing factor in Asia….posing a serious threat to all of its neighbors including Pakistan. Hence the reaction to test missiles as a show of force.

    http://www.riazhaq.com/2010/01/india-tops-in-illiteracy-and-defense.html

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  • abdul karim
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:09AM

    @Sajid: 2,000 miles range.

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  • abdul karim
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:14AM

    @ashok: what u/think India got his own tech no sir they got all those tech from USSR .

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 26, 2012 - 12:53AM

    @Riaz Haq: ” … is the most destabilizing factor in Asia….posing a serious threat to all of its neighbors including Pakistan. … ”

    Mr. Haq – you are way off in your analysis. Other than Pakistan, nobody feels destabilized by India. More so, countries to the East of India, starting from Burma, Thailand, etc WANT a economically and militarily strong India to counter balance China.

    We are not in a position to match China bullet for bullet – nor do we want to. Our existential philosophy abhors unnecessary conflict.

    If Pakistan feels safer with missile launches, so be it.

    Please do not read too much into the test of Agni V. It is merely a display of technical skill.

    Your 270 million illiterate figure also means that there are a close to a billion people who are at least functionally literate.

    Taking into account that we had 1000 + 200 years of foreign/non-local rule, we have done quite well for ourselves.

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  • let there be peace
    Apr 26, 2012 - 1:10AM

    Answer to India ——- by China (through its proxy)

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  • BlackJack
    Apr 26, 2012 - 1:28AM

    @Riaz Haq:
    Pakistanis – this is actual trolling. But anyway, what is 270 mn over 1.2 bn – illiteracy in India is less than 24%. This shows the great strides we have made in educating our population despite the challenges that we faced since independence. How much is the literacy rate in Pakistan – I am sure you have it somewhere on that blog of yours (pls share UN figures).

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  • Sapan Kapoor
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:03AM

    How can it be termed as tit-for-tat test when Agni-V was not even meant for Pakistan. The whole world knows that Agni-V with 5.000 km range was China-specific. Why does Pakistan need to retaliate to Agni-V? Anyways even if that was their intention they failed in achieving their objective miserably, for Shaheen-1 with range of 1,000 or 2,000 or 3,000 km range hardly a match for India’s ICBM Agni-V which has the range of 5,000 km. Alas ! Pakistan foreign and defense policy is still fixated on India while India has moved on and aspiring for a larger role in the global affairs. Pakistan wants the world to continue to see India through its prism. It only goes on to show its frustration. Sir, not everything India does is meant for Pakistan and same doctrine should be followed to Pakistan as well. The fact is Pakistan has been left far behind by India as far as progress in business, education, science and technology is concerned. They can just compete with India anymore. Change your mindset.

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  • ashok
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:27AM

    @abdul karim:

    Is that why Indian missile tests did fail many times in the past?

    However Brahmos cruise missile is a joint ventrue with Russia unlike Pakistan who got Babur Cruise missile fully tested and validated from China to thank Pakistan for letting China reverse engineer those Tomahawk cruise missiles that USA shot from the Arabian sea in 2000 against Bin Laden’s camp in Afghanistan and fell in Balochistan.

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  • NKA
    Apr 26, 2012 - 2:44AM

    Pakistan calling this an “indigenous missile” is like India saying Coca Cola is an Indian company just because they have a plant at Plachimada. For those who didn’t know, the Hatf-4 missiles were the Clinton Administration’s gift to Pakistan.

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  • Xcaret
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:45AM

    @rsk:
    hey, at least new paint help Pakistan economy and new order for missiles helps N Korean economy. Loo at the bright side. LOL

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  • Xcaret
    Apr 26, 2012 - 4:51AM

    @Uzair Javaid:
    Operative word is “BASED” on, Not copied.

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  • gp65
    Apr 26, 2012 - 5:15AM

    @Waqas Butt: “We must and we will improve our defenses at any cost so the enemy thinks 100 times before doing anything silly.”

    By all means. Please define who your enemy is. Is it India who has never attacked you or TTP? If it is TTP, will this help protect Pakistanis against TTP or would the same money spent on this missile strengthening internal law and order (police/Rangers training, tools, weapons etc.) be a better use in terms of protecting Pakistanis.

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Apr 26, 2012 - 6:22AM

    @Umer: Change the language from hate to developement

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  • Xcaret
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:14AM

    @Meekal Ahmed:
    May be you should have said “Opportunity Lost”.

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  • Xcaret
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:16AM

    @Lala Gee:
    How about jointly developed JF-17.

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  • Prashant
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:33AM

    My all Pakistani friends when you are here celebrating the launch of missile India is Celebrating the launch of Satelite. On early Thursday morning, an Indian rocket successfully launched into orbit a microwave Radar Imaging Satellite (Risat-1) from the spaceport in Sriharikota in Andhra Pradesh, around 80 km from Chennai.
    India is making progress in all sector and not in one particular sector….

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 26, 2012 - 8:46AM

    @abhi:

    “You right, so exactly what pakistan is giving in return of the aid money?”

    I give you the discount for not reading carefully my post as in a state of high arrogance with closed mind it is really difficult to concentrate. However, as I already mentioned “Foreign aid is a well recognized tool of foreign policy used to achieve the donor country’s strategic objectives by providing aid to the helping country”, we facilitated them in achieving their strategic goals in return for the favor. For example, one of the achievements is pulling India out of Russian Block. As a result, most of the money India used to spend on buying arms from former USSR, now goes to the Western Block with an added bonus of “free Indian markets” to make yet many many more billions. I guess now you see the light.

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  • PX
    Apr 26, 2012 - 9:43AM

    a handful of people come and attacks our check posts or targets our HQ…Internally we are ruined, externally our image is perished…what’s the purpose of such defense?…if these spending would have been divided in health and education, our both conditions might have been excellent.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 26, 2012 - 11:15AM

    @Naveed:

    “Patriotism is slavery. Tolstoy”

    I guess our leaders and bureaucracy knew this early on.

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  • abdulazeez
    Apr 26, 2012 - 11:20AM

    @ Zulfiqar Baig : Korean long range missile launch failed few days ago ,so please wait for some more years.

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  • Lala Gee
    Apr 26, 2012 - 6:36PM

    @ashok:

    “Pakistan who got Babur Cruise missile fully tested and validated from China to thank Pakistan for letting China reverse engineer those Tomahawk cruise missiles that USA shot from the Arabian sea in 2000 against Bin Laden’s camp in Afghanistan and fell in Balochistan.”

    Any prudence in copying a failed technology? Or is it just the arrogance and closed mind that does not let you accept the reality?

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  • grk
    Apr 26, 2012 - 7:41PM

    @Lala Gee:
    tomahawk – a failed technology? then you may say that helicopter used in bin laden operation also a failed technology.

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  • Yash
    Apr 26, 2012 - 8:38PM

    @abdulazeez:

    it was NOT a missile launch

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  • Anjum Hameed
    Apr 27, 2012 - 12:00AM

    They fire one, we fire one..then we fire one and they fire one..exactly what level of stupid are our two countries, who cant feed their own people or provide electricity and water to them????..

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  • vendetta
    Apr 27, 2012 - 10:29PM

    Missile range is about 1500km. Its abilities includes MIRV (3 to 5 nuclear warheads total of 1000 kg), stealth, MVR. Missiles are not useless, they will be used according to need or like Palestine this land will be captured by enemy without defence. ICBM project was declined by Mussharaf, as it will also cover Israel.Recommend

  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    May 3, 2012 - 6:52PM

    @Lala Gee:

    Why the governments who do not spend a
    million on providing shelter to their
    homeless would give billions to
    Pakistan. Do you seriously think they
    just give to Pakistan out of pure
    altruism.

    Agreed. Even in the world’s oldest profession, money wouldn’t be spent based on altruism. Rather it’s purely dependent on the services rendered.

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  • An Oberserver
    May 10, 2012 - 12:53PM

    Great,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well done guys….!!!, good answer to Indian accusations :)

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