The birth of Bangladesh

Published: December 20, 2011

The writer is a syndicated columnist and a former member of India’s Rajya Sabha

I found it strange that no group or organisation in India celebrated the fortieth year of Bangladesh’s independence. I consider this odd because India was an active participant in the war that created Bangladesh. I recall that the then prime minister, Indira Gandhi, was angry over the stream of people pouring into India from East Pakistan but did not know how to stop the exodus. “Thank God, Pakistan has attacked”, she told West Bengal’s chief minister when General Yahya Khan ordered his air force to bombard the Pathankot aerodrome.

Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has done well in inviting to Dhaka those Indians whom she thinks have helped Bangladesh win its freedom. However, some official ceremony in India would also have been in order to recall the sacrifices of hundreds of jawans and officers. This is needed all the more because Hasina’s likes and dislikes are not on merit but on her subjective assessment. The criterion for selection should have been people’s role in Bangladesh’s freedom movement, not how Hasina feels about them.

Yet her attitude, however whimsical, is understandable, unlike that of Pakistan. It refuses to apologise for the atrocities its army had committed, especially those committed 48 hours before the surrender. Islamabad is justifiably indignant over the killing of its soldiers by Nato forces in Afghanistan. Pakistan has gone to the extent of asking the Americans to leave the airbase they were using to send drones. The US-Pakistan relationship is in a mess because Washington refuses to apologise for the killing of around two dozen soldiers. How does Islamabad explain the contradictory stand, one on Bangladesh and the other on the attack by Nato forces?

Cases against those who opposed the liberation struggle or committed crimes during that time are justified. Hasina has done well to set up a tribunal to try such people. Yet, maintaining objectivity is most important and such cases should not be used to settle personal scores or to victimise political opponents.

Yet whatever Hasina’s lapses, it is great to remember the finest hour of Bangladesh — when it won freedom. That the two wings of Pakistan had very little to share became more and more evident as days went by. For every ill they suffered, Pakistan blamed the west, which in turn developed the feeling that whatever good it might do for the east would remain unacknowledged. General Ayub Khan, then heading Pakistan, said in an interview to me: “I would have told East Bengal in 1962, when a new Constitution was introduced, that if they wanted to go they could do so. It was no use keeping them if they did not want to remain with us.”

This attitude of the West Pakistanis apart, the Pakistanis also felt the geographical distance to the full when, during the 1965 India-Pakistan war, the east was completely cut off. Partly to exploit the feeling of alienation and partly to keep the theatre of war as restricted as possible, India did not attack East Pakistan in 1965.

After the hostilities ended, when the All-Pakistan National Conference met in February 1966 at Lahore, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman spoke of what he said had been the “neglect of East Pakistan”. This was the meeting where he presented his six-point formula, which became the basis for a national struggle.

Tajuddin Ahmad, Bangladesh’s first prime minister, told me at Dhaka that the six-point programme was the “beginning” and “we knew we would become independent one day”.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 20th, 2011.

Reader Comments (71)

  • Ali Tanoli
    Dec 20, 2011 - 12:36AM

    I think Gen Mushraf did apologized to Bangladesh and even gave them AL khalid tanks too
    and second thing is Gen Ayub khan did lot for Bangalis peoples and then he finnaly realized
    that they are Ehsan Faramosh and told in his farewell papers that dont free Mojeeb and never
    break the one fedral system but we did and saw the results too then what happend i rememberd when i was in school time i asked one of old man he was Mauhajir from U.P
    i asked him what if all the sikhs were with us and pakistan was up to Dehli he said then pakistan would have runs a therty years only and when i asked about east pakistan he replied
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  • Arifq
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:08AM

    Thank you Kuldeep Jee for providing another perspective and kudos to ET for publishing the article.

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  • Atif Ejaz
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:26AM

    Don’t worry indians, we have niether forgotten nor forgiven

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  • Khan Jr
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:41AM

    So Pakistan “refuses to apologise for the atrocities its army had committed (in East Pakistan). Islamabad is justifiably indignant over the killing of its soldiers by Nato forces in Afghanistan.”

    Very sadly, hypocrisy and Pakistani leadership have become synonyms.

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  • Pro Bono Publico
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:46AM

    It was perfectly fine for India to suppress the Sikh call for independent Khalistan. But wrong for Pakistan to protect its unity, and the world aside when India invaded East Pakistan to create BD. And East Bengal continues under occupation!

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  • You Said It
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:48AM

    Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri’s decision to not attack East Pakistan in 1965, in spite of almost non-existent Pakistani defense in the east, turned out to be wise and far-sighted in hind-sight. Shastri recognized the divisions between the two wings, and held the leaders of the western wing responsible for the war. He decided to expand the war to Pakistani Punjab only and chose not to subject easterners to punitive action.

    Hence, the western wing’s perception of India as the enemy never took root in the east, and Shastri’s restraint deprived west and east Pakistan of a platform on which to unite. History could have been different if Shastri had acted otherwise.

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  • Bill
    Dec 20, 2011 - 3:07AM

    Bangladesh atrocities are regretted. Something that should never had done on humanitarian grounds. How ever Mr. Nayar please enlighten the audience here about the double standards by India where Gandhi the founder is symbolic for peace and non violence and Indian Army is responsible for genocide in the Kashmir valley. If you don’t trust the popular media please visit the valley and ask about peoples aspirations? Go to Facebook and interview thousands from Srinagar. I hope you take it positively.

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  • Cynical
    Dec 20, 2011 - 3:38AM

    @Kuldip Nayar
    For a change I found your article to be more factual than rehtorical.

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  • Jagjit Singh Aurora
    Dec 20, 2011 - 5:50AM

    @Atif Ejaz:
    Don’t worry indians, we have niether forgotten nor forgiven

    No problem, we here also to remind. Should you forget, consult guiness book anytime for world record 90000 troop surrender.

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  • adeel759
    Dec 20, 2011 - 7:09AM

    @Ali Tanoli. Musharraf may have done it either informally or in personal capacity, he did not apologized on behalf of The Islamic Republic Of Pakistan. Bengaldesh deserves an apology and only that can bring closure to this tragic part of our history.

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  • Maria
    Dec 20, 2011 - 7:42AM

    Perhaps you can tell us how all of this justifies ignoring a United Nations referendum which calls for a free vote in Kashmir and why India continues to terrorize the people there for decades. I hope the day comes when some Pakistani writer can write some smug article like this when Pakistanis assist the Sikhs or the Assamese to get their freedom from India. Kashmir will be free in its own time anyhow.

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Dec 20, 2011 - 8:35AM

    @Atif Ejaz: ” … Don’t worry indians, we have niether forgotten nor forgiven … “

    Pop quiz for you – name one conflict that has been won by a Muslim Army in recent history ?

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  • Raj
    Dec 20, 2011 - 9:17AM

    @Jagjit Singh Aurora: General Sahib I salute to both you and General Niazi….

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  • Zalim singh
    Dec 20, 2011 - 9:48AM

    great article.

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  • M. Sakhawat Husain
    Dec 20, 2011 - 10:30AM

    @Ali Tanoli – According to you, I quote

    “and second thing is Gen Ayub khan did lot for Bangalis peoples and then he finnaly realized
    that they are Ehsan Faramosh”

    Yes, no doubt Gen Ayub Khan did a lot for East Pakistan, he also used East Pakistan’s money to build Islamabad. Even Toyota’s factory that was supposed to be built in East Pakistan was transferred to West Pakistan by his orders. So, it is the West Pakistanis who are “Ehsan Faramosh”

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  • Dec 20, 2011 - 11:24AM

    @ Arijit Sharma: “name one conflict that has been won by a Muslim Army in recent history?” Egypt defeated the Israeli army in 1973, the Turks defeated the British in 1917, and Pakistan defeated India in 1948 & 1965. Yes, 1948 was a defeat by India, because it resulted in a third of Kashmir going to Pakistan, and in 1965 the Indian Army had to retreat from Lahore.

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  • MAS
    Dec 20, 2011 - 11:30AM

    Gen Aurora died fighting against once his own Indian Army, in Operation Blue star, on Golden Temple, can somebody see the irony.
    @Raj:

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  • Munir Ahmad Saeed
    Dec 20, 2011 - 11:35AM

    Gen Musharaf did apologize in his capacity as the ruler of Pakistan, when he visited Bangladesh, and laid flowers on the graves of martyrs of language 1948. but I still believe there is no harm in doing one more time, if it helps to heal the wounded hearts@adeel759:

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  • U2
    Dec 20, 2011 - 11:57AM

    Let’s be very clear, we Bangladeshi’s are extremely proud not being part of any “failed nation status”. We are growing at 7 pct now and next task is to capture the momentum of 8-10 pct growth rate in line with greater Asia. With all fairness to Pakistan, it’s not a democratic country so we don’t know the views of millions of Pakistanis. Army in Pakistan are not mentally trained to apologize to even their own blood, forget Bangladesh. So! guys lest move on, you do yours, you have lots to catch up for lost 60 years and let us Bangladeshis continue ours being progressive, peaceful and focused. Let’s see another decade, who makes ” Ends meet” . Cheers,

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  • ravi
    Dec 20, 2011 - 12:05PM

    @ Maria

    According to pakistani perception, India is occupying Kashmir, whereas our perceptions says the reverse. In principle, hand over the Kashmir and parts of given to china, back to India as per UN resolutions, ask non kashmiris who have migrated to back to thier states and then ask for resolutions.

    We indians agree that, lot of wrongs have been done by Indian govt in kashmir, but will never accept ur solutions

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  • Patrik
    Dec 20, 2011 - 12:42PM

    @MAS
    Just to set the record straight, Gen Aurora died peacefully at home in Delhi in 2005. Operation bluestar was in 1984. Please check you facts ! Just google for Jagjit Singh Aurora.

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  • syam
    Dec 20, 2011 - 12:57PM

    Great spirit… great nations take leap to towards better future by building brick by brick…not by unnecessary confrontation @U2:

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  • Rakib
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:01PM

    @MAS:
    Gen.Jagjit Singh Aurora was GOC-in-C of Eastern Command of IA in 1971. As a subsequent Member of Parliament he was neither alone nor unique, and certainly not wrong, in criticising the Govt that ordered Operation Blue Star. But, he never agitated against Indian State or his Army. He was pushing 90 when he died at Delhi of natural causes. There is nothing ironical about an old soldier fading away into the twilight.

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  • M. I. Aslam
    Dec 20, 2011 - 1:25PM

    i don’t know whether Kuldip Nayar reads this or not but I would like to know from him his views on the illegal occupation of Pakistani territory of Junagarh and Hayderabad Daccan by Indian even after they declared to join Pakistan and if that is in order that why Pakistan do not have the right to attack Indian Occupied Kashmir? I would also like to know from the eminent (yet biased) writer that how can a country attack another country, violate the international boarders on an INTERNAL CONFLICT of that nation and if that is a rule in his eyes why should India not be attacked by its neighbors on the same plea? ( say plight of Muslims in Kashmir, Genocide of Muslims in Gujarat etc etc)

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  • Zillur Rahman
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:13PM

    Pakistan needs to:
    (1) Offer apology to Bangladesh for 1971 genocide
    (2) Try army officers accused of war crimes in 1971
    (3) Agree to equitable sharing of assets of 1971 Pakistan
    (4) Pay war reparations
    (5) Repatriate “Biharis” in Bangladesh who opted for Pakistan after liberation of Bangladesh

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:38PM

    I found it strange that no group or
    organisation in India celebrated the
    fortieth year of Bangladesh’s
    independence

    Not really. India never wanted to claim themselves to be liberators. India made sure that there were no ostentatious celebrations or gloating over a military victory. It always wanted world to know that it only helped a neighbor in distress.

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Dec 20, 2011 - 2:45PM

    @Ali Tanoli:

    i asked him what if all the sikhs were
    with us and pakistan was up to Dehli
    he said then pakistan would have runs
    a therty years only and when i asked
    about east pakistan he replied its
    better they are seprated from us

    What is the meaning of the above sentence, Sir?

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Dec 20, 2011 - 3:03PM

    @M. I. Aslam: Muslims seem to have a problem following rules. If you remember, the rules at the time of partition were – all princly states and variants were to choose India or Pakistan as per the wishes of the people AND not the rulers themselves. The people of Junagadh chose India. The Nawab of Hyderabad – did not want to consult his people, wanted to join Pakistan instead. He broke the rule, thereby justifying India’s actions. By sending Lashkars to the princly state of J & K, Pakistan broke the rule, thereby forcing India’s hand.

    Why is all this so difficult to understand ?

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  • call me crazy
    Dec 20, 2011 - 3:25PM

    @M. I. Aslam:
    because partition has been done and there will be no further redrawing of borders on the basis of religion.The 2 nation theory failed on 16th dec 1971.

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  • aisha
    Dec 20, 2011 - 4:26PM

    kuldip nayyar, can you take our pak bashing elsewhere? army does not represent the views of the majority and we do recognize and admit our wrongs towards bangladesh and sincerely regret our actions and behaviour. however, post bangladesh’s independence, we think it was in everyones best interests and wish them well and still consider them our brothers.
    having said that, tw wrongs do not make a right.
    and if you are to go into such comparisons and absurd logics, then i concur with all the examples of india quoted above and also, how can america complain about terrorist attacks after the atrocities it commits in afganistan, iraq, the japan war, supporting israel in palestine, etc?

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  • delh_se
    Dec 20, 2011 - 5:01PM

    @Atif Ejaz: And you should not forget !

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  • JeevayPakistan
    Dec 20, 2011 - 5:45PM

    Even since its independence Pakistan was hated by India. During the independence movement Hindu leaders never accepted the idea of a separate Pakistan and used to call it ‘aik dewaanay ka khawaab” – a mad man’s dream and even after its creation they assumed it will not exist longer and fall back into their lap. While at partition Hindu leaders conspired with the help of Britain and left no stone unturned to give independence to Pakistan with meager resources moreover illegally occupied Pakistani territories of Junagarh and Hayderabad Daccan even after they declared to join Pakistan. This shows the Indian mindset that how they have been trying to disintegrate Pakistan right after its independence. East Pakistan now Bangladesh is the result of these Indian conspiracies but KEEP IN MIND Pakistan has existed and will always exist by the grace of Almighty in spite of the evil designs by any anti-Pakistani force. INSHA ALLAHRecommend

  • Sohaib Malek
    Dec 20, 2011 - 7:06PM

    Mr Kuldip Nayar, well written article, i appreciate your effort. However, it would be more nice if you also write same lines for Nexalites and Maoists of India! Can you also name that resistance as FREEDOM FIGHT as you have called East Paksitan case. How beautiful it would be if you first write for those who are facing the hell in your own country and then come up with these kinda comments for your neighbor nations. No doubt we Pakistanis have to revisit our history and have to learn lessons from it. BUT, its more important for you to first work in FREEDOM FIGHT of those who are deprived of in INDIA TODAY… Then lets talk about our history!

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  • Tamil Arasan
    Dec 20, 2011 - 7:29PM

    @M. I. Aslam:
    Do you speak any sense?? Junagarh and Hayderabad Daccan public never willing to join Pakistan read the history and get the real fact – 99% of the population voted to join India in Junagarh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndianIntegrationof_Junagadh

    And same with the Hayderabad Daccan where 97% of the population was non Muslims and they want to integrate with Indian union and India sent it forces only after the revolt against the Hyderabad Nizam reached peak

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Polo

    Read the facts yourself and don’t live in denial…Also in Kashmir there is a elected government ruling it’s people, and the issue we have in Kashmir is same what you face in Balochistan in Pakistan…

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  • Bangladeshi
    Dec 20, 2011 - 8:13PM

    I see the recent surge of the love affair between Indians & their puppet awami league. Don’t worry BD has come a long way from 1971 and don’t want to stay in the past. The indian puppet awami league is the only that want this apology while at the same time this indian cult organization don’t want to apologies to their Bihari citizens. I am a bengali and not a blind awami supporter to not accept the truth of Bihari genocide. I really feel ashamed for the heinous
    crimes committed against our non-bengali brothers, I don’t want PAK to apologies since it was a civil war where naturally atrocities were committed by both sides. We should let go of the past & look into the future. Recommend

  • forgive and forget
    Dec 20, 2011 - 8:46PM

    @Atif Ejaz

    Don’t worry indians, we have niether forgotten nor forgiven

    Don’t let that bother you, if you have forgotten your Hindu/Budhist ancestors, you will forget all else very soon.
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  • ALi Tanoli
    Dec 20, 2011 - 8:59PM

    @Tamil Arasan,
    Dear sir when u say the truth about Hydrabad and Junagarh then why u stoped on kashmir please can u tell the truth that kashmir mejority was muslim and against the will of kasmiris
    Dogra sikh Raja join india and we can blame two parties for that Indian congress and Lord Mount batton too was involved in this problem because Mr Jinnah refused to make him first
    Governer Gernal so he was jealouse and he played this game shamefully.Recommend

  • AN
    Dec 20, 2011 - 9:06PM

    @U2:
    No offense but Bangladesh is still a least developed country. You are doing well right now but you have a long way to go. Besides, we are not worried about your country neither we care. You are not that special. Pakistan is more concerned about neighboring countries, not some far away lands. So ignoring you won’t hurt us.Recommend

  • AN
    Dec 20, 2011 - 9:15PM

    @U2:
    Another thing that i would also say that ask any Pakistani, he will regret whatever happened in 1971 and want punishment of culprits if possible. Beyond that however we have absolutely no feeling about Bangladesh. No emotional connection or feeling of loss. So all the best to you and your country.Recommend

  • Mahmood Saeed
    Dec 20, 2011 - 10:53PM

    Thee greatest hypocrites in the world are the Bharatis. They will never accept that they were after weakening Pakistan from day one eg not transferring rightful share of money, army equipment, railway equipment etc etc are some examples. Their next attack was to suddenly stop water in the rivers/canals coming to Pakistan from head works in Bharat. Next, they hatched the scheme of bifurcating Pakistan after they realized that in their 1962 war with China Pakistan could have caused trouble for Bharatis in the Eastern theater using forces in East Pakistan and in the western theater by marching on to Kashmir. Ayub Khan was a gentleman who did not take advantage of this opportunity. Now they are cooking trouble in Balochistan to subjugate Pakistan.

    Even today the Bharatis talk nobly about this and that but not the issue which is the mother of all problems. They should learn from history. The cracks are appearing in the Bharati Union.Recommend

  • M. Sakhawat Husain
    Dec 20, 2011 - 11:02PM

    @AN – I quote “Beyond that however we have absolutely no feeling about Bangladesh. No emotional connection or feeling of loss. So all the best to you and your country.”

    I really wish the feeling you have (i mean you don’t have) would have been shared by the politicians of 1947. They Bangladesh could have started off as an independent state at same time as India and Pakistan.

    Yes, we are correct to say that Bangladesh has not developed as much as it should have, well neither has Pakistan. But brother, Pakistan started in 1947, Bangladesh in 1971. So, the growth is much better. And if Bangladesh could grow its own cotton, Pakistan would be no match for Bangladesh.

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  • Grace
    Dec 20, 2011 - 11:19PM

    @Mahmood Saeed: The hypocrisy is that Indians ignore so called rights and take over our land and people in Kashmir or wherever else in South Asia with the connivance of the British. Ask my Kashmiri family who are the biggest cheaters and terrorists in South Asia since 1947. Now Indians sit here and moralize about Bangladesh and repression. Yes Pakistanis treated Bangladeshis poorly and most Pakistanis are actually happy that Bangladesh has gone its own way. It was bound to happen but the way it which it happened due to the stupidity of the nation’s leadership and the scheming of Indians is what bothers most Pakistanis. That’s why most Pakistanis hope to repay the Indians with the same gesture one day.

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  • Mahmood Saeed
    Dec 21, 2011 - 12:19AM

    @Grace
    Not one Bengali was hurt in West Pakistan. We helped those who wanted to go to Bangladesh. Even today there is a Bengali Para (Bengali Colony) in Karachi and many of them are all over Pakistan. We never speak ill of Bangladesh and have always wished them well. Long live Bnagladesh minus the remanants of Mujeeb and Indra.

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  • Tamil Arasan
    Dec 21, 2011 - 12:24AM

    @Mahmood Saeed: from your message any one can understand who is hypocrites!!!, the partisan is done by British and they are neutral in distribution of the wealth equally among each country based on their size of population and land mass – this any kid will understand – not that every thing will be given 50:50 in share, since India is a large country with large population naturally the share will go more for India, also both nation inherited the same railway form British but your railway is run by Hippocrates like you and today you don’t even have 50 rail engines in working condition were us India is operating more then 9000 rail engines and also have three metro rails in operation and another seven metro systems are under construction, so instead seeing crack in India with your microscope work for the betterment of your country to develop it not blaming others (Bharti)…
    ” their 1962 war with China Pakistan could have caused trouble for Bharatis in the Eastern theater using forces in East Pakistan ” – now after 20 years you will say Pakistan could have attacked America in Afghanistan and bleeded them but our gentleman General Kayani “who did not take advantage of this opportunity”, the story is you don’t have the resource to take on the Americans directly same way in 1962 you are not in a position to cause trouble for Bharatis in the Eastern theater using forces in East Pakistan and in the western theater by marching on to Kashmir….

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  • SY
    Dec 21, 2011 - 12:30AM

    @Shakhir Lakhani:
    @ Arijit Sharma: “name one conflict that has been won by a Muslim Army in recent history?” Egypt defeated the Israeli army in 1973, the Turks defeated the British in 1917, and Pakistan defeated India in 1948 & 1965. Yes, 1948 was a defeat by India, because it resulted in a third of Kashmir going to Pakistan, and in 1965 the Indian Army had to retreat from Lahore.

    1973 – War Israeli forces were only 100km from Cairo at time of cease fire. Egypt/Syria LOST hands down. They were only winning in the initial days when the made a surprise attack. But by the end of the war Israel had regrouped and not only did the Egypt/Syria armies recede from the Israeli territory – but were also made to retreat deep within their own countries.

    1917 War – No Idea. Dont know much. But 100 Years back is hardly a “recent” war. Also it seems a little surprising that the complete might of British Empire in its glory could have been defeated by Turks.

    1948 War – Pak did not get 1/3 of Kashmir in war. They had more than that when Indian troops entered Kashmir after seccession (Paks were already near Srinagar airport at the time of first clash). Infact during war they lost the rest of occupied area and at the end of it held “only” third of Kashmir.

    1965 War – I dont know which historical perspective manages to fabricate that Pakistan won the war. Ah is it the myth created by Pak Army??

    Not that I agree with the original question contesting on Muslim Armies vistories as that question itself is derogatory. But your answers are equally ignorant and pyrrhic.Recommend

  • Joe Mohsin
    Dec 21, 2011 - 3:28AM

    Response to Bangladeshi: No one invited Biharis to East Pakistan. Biharis don’t belong in Bangladesh in light of their collaboration with Pakistani army in killing 3 million (three hundred thousand, or thirty thousand). All Biharis should have left Bangladesh in 1971, but Pakistan was and is still not willing to take them. The problem is that Biharis are complaining that they were put in camps as if they expected the government of Bangladesh to house them at the Hilton Hotel. The camps were meant to be temporary housing until all Biharis are repatriated to Pakistan. Unfortunately, after 40 years Biharis are still living in camps in deplorable conditions, but their beloved Pakistan has abandoned them. One solution: Send the Biharis back to India.

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  • Optimist
    Dec 21, 2011 - 4:11AM

    @ Zillur Rahman
    As a Pakistani, I have great love for Bangladesh. I agree you partly that
    1. Pakistan should apologise
    2. Pakistan should also try war criminals BUT BANGLADESH MUST ALSO TRY THOSE WHO ATTACKED CIVILIANS
    3. Pakistan had huge debt in 1971. Share to Bangladesh is less than the debt (watch Mujibur Rehman’s views on youtube interview where he said: ‘Pakistan will have to pay 200 Million. I refuse to pay that debt). If shares are divided, Bangladesh will end up paying more for debts.
    4. Yes we must accept 250,000 Biharis. Pakistan should also send 800,000 Bangladeshis living and working in Karachi back to their righful place.Recommend

  • M
    Dec 21, 2011 - 9:01AM

    @Mahmood Saeed:
    You have already given your best shot in Kashmir Khalistan and failed miserably. We have succeeded in liberating Bangladesh & are on track to liberate Baluchistan. Nuff said!

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  • Chander
    Dec 21, 2011 - 9:19AM

    Can any one please suggest the name of the currency that Balochistan should choose after they become an independent country and a member of the UN.

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  • Dec 21, 2011 - 12:27PM

    @Arijit Sharma: If Egypt lost in 1973, why did Israel hand the Sinai back to Egypt? Yes, we maintain that 1965 was a victory, because our eternal enemy had virtually captured Lahore after a sneak attack, but it was forced back by our armed forces. In fact, it was India’s failure to defeat Pakistan in 1965 that shocked all Indians. It was due to this that India and the Soviet Union started planning to “liberate” East Pakistan.

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  • AN
    Dec 21, 2011 - 1:20PM

    @M. Sakhawat Husain:
    Pakistan was never a least developed state. Bangladesh is and continues to be after 40 years.Pakistan is a developing country, not a developed country. Still you are doing very well currently no doubt. So when you will grow your own cotton then talk. No hard feelings though. :)

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  • AN
    Dec 21, 2011 - 1:33PM

    @Chander:
    I can suggest some currency names for independent Indian Kashmir and North eastern Indian states. Want to know?

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Dec 21, 2011 - 1:56PM

    @Shakir Lakhani: I am again, amazed at the propensity of Pakistanis to narrow down the field of vision to “prove” a point of view. The “sneak” attach on Lahore (in 1965) that you speak of had a preceeding event – a “sneak” attack on Indian Kashmir. If you go back a bit further, in 1948, there was a “sneak” invasion of Jammu and Kashmir, by yourselves.

    So, who is the sneaky one here, huh ?

    And yes, the Arabs launched a “sneak” attack on Israel too.

    Do you see a pattern here ?

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  • narayana murthy
    Dec 21, 2011 - 3:11PM

    @Shakhir Lakhani who says “because our eternal enemy had virtually captured”

    I forgot to mention one point in my previous comment.

    Anyone who considers another person as an ‘eternal enemy’ is a very narrow minded bigoted person.

    You don’t find as many Indians calling Pakistan an eternal enemy as Pakistanis calling India an eternal enemy. Don’t forget, we’re 1.2 billion people and you are 150 million.

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  • Ahmad Mujhtar
    Dec 21, 2011 - 5:47PM

    @Chander:
    Same Currency that Indian Occupied Kashmir will chose at their independence. LOL
    @narayana murthy:
    Are majority of Indians are as Idiot as you are? What Broad mindedness has to do with 1.2 Billions vs 150 Million? No, It doesn’t tell us anything. It just tells us how collectively stupid you are.

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  • Shakir Lakhani
    Dec 21, 2011 - 6:50PM

    @ Arijit Sharma: the freedom fighters in J&K had succeeded so much that India invaded west Pakistan without warning. This was widely condemned in the whole world, except perhaps India’s ally Soviet Union. Secondly, India was brought down to its knees by the Chinese in 1962, forcing Nehru to turn to the U.S. for arms (despite India being a “non-aligned” state at the time). The Chinese could have marched right up to New Delhi and imposed a government of their choice, but they withdrew (because they did not want to destabilize the region). Pakistan at the time offered joint defence to India (a move that made Ayub very unpopular in Pakistan). If India really wanted peace, it would have accepted Ayub’s offer and would have been a wealthy nation today, instead of 80% of its citizens struggling to survive on less than half a dollar a day (http://odrf.wordpress.com/2007/09/01/836-million-indians-live-on-less-than-rs-20-a-day-ibnlivecom-videos/).

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  • forgive and forget
    Dec 21, 2011 - 6:54PM

    @AN

    I can suggest some currency names for independent Indian Kashmir and North eastern Indian states. Want to know?

    Yes I would. Meanwhile do find a name for your own currency (Rupees, Rupaya) which is derived from the Sanskrit word for Silver.

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  • Rakib
    Dec 21, 2011 - 7:29PM

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    Churlish as the claims/counter-claims on the pernicious subject of war are, it may be useful to get some authentic information on 1965. Field Marshal Ayub Khan’s Operation Gibraltar followed by his Operation Grand Slam are a matter of public record. A purusal will show that the plans did not succeed.The first set back to Pakistan was flat refusal of the then Kashmiris of the Valley to respond to Op Gibraltar, to rise up against Indians and in favour of infiltrators. Considering the objective of “freeing” Kashmir from Indian “occupation” was not met by the Field Marshal,the whole enterprise was deemed an utter failure,as Kargil was to turn out to be decades later. That of course did not automatically translate as an outright victory for India.

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  • Faisal Anwar
    Dec 21, 2011 - 8:10PM

    @AN

    Hello please. According to IMF report for 2011 both You ( Pakistan) & I (Bangladesh) are part of Developing nations status. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country. On top of that we are N-11, please google that. So go easy mate. Both of us need to cross the mountain may be we will walk pass and you have to run, that’s the differences. Cheers,

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  • Rakib
    Dec 21, 2011 - 8:41PM

    @Shakir Lakhani: :.. Pakistan at the time offered joint defence to India..”

    Nations rarely do anything without selfish interests. That is not a bad thing of course. Ayub Khan offered joint defense pact to India in 1959. Nehru rejected the offer suspecting Ayub’s intentions. Just before his death in 1974, Ayub gave an interview to Jamait-e-Islami magazine “Zindagi”. When the interviewer asked him why he had offered a joint defence pact to India, he laughed and said it was bait which Pandit Nehru didn’t bite. He explained that the idea behind it was to deploy Pakistani troops in Kashmir as part of the joint defence arrangement and “once our troops were there, we would have told Indians to hold plebiscite” The offer and its rejection were both quite appropriate.

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  • M. Sakhawat Husain
    Dec 22, 2011 - 1:35AM

    @AN -You are funny, boasting that Pakistan is developing country and Bangladesh is a least developed country. Yaar, in order to buy 1 Pakistan Rupee, Bangladesh has to pay only 85 paisa – LOL !! What a disgrace. I am in a bit of a hurry, but will soon post a much detailed post of how many sectors, Bangladesh is performing much better than Pakistan. And Pakistan grows cotton because of its geographical and climate condition. Its a gift from nature, not Pakistan’s credit. Just like you can’t produce jute like Bangladesh !!

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  • M.S.Choudhury
    Dec 22, 2011 - 6:34AM

    I am a Bangladeshi, I was in my late teens in 1971.Till 25th March I was a true Pakistani.The events on the night of 25th March 1971 totally changed my view.
    1)Can an army of a country go to the street at night and kill innocent citizen randomly.
    2)Go to towns and villages kill, burn and rape. women.I was in Rajshahi, a northern district of Bangladesh.The city was taken over by EPR and retaken back on 7th April by the Pakistani army.We were in the University staff quarters.The Army came, lined up all male aged 18 or more,used most filthy language.There was a hindu teacher, he was taken away and never returned.
    3)We the than East Pakistani were treated during that period with maximum disrespect.
    4) As some of the writers here has commented that they were happy that Bangladesh parted .I am amused to know their views and at the same time I feel that we the than East Pakistanis were great fools to believe our West Pakistani brethren.We gave up so many of our rights to have our so called dreamland.
    5)We are and were no lesser Muslims than our counterpart in the West.Our contribution to the creation of Pakistan is definitely much more than those in the West.
    6)I still wish Pakistan a prosperous future.I am afraid that if Pakistan fails to learn from history one day they may lose another part of Pakistan and then there will be some people who may say, we wanted them to go.
    7)India is no well wisher to either Pakistan or Bangladesh.It may conspire to harm Pakistan but it is the duty of Pakistani people and leadership to not fall into the trap.If they fall why blame India.

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  • ksri
    Dec 22, 2011 - 10:57AM

    @Optimist:
    ‘Yes we must accept 250,000 Biharis. Pakistan should also send 800,000 Bangladeshis living and working in Karachi back to their righful place.’

    Exchange of population is like a barter deal in commodities or livestock. It can be messy affair as the partition of India has shown.

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  • rk
    Dec 22, 2011 - 11:36AM

    dear sir

    good article.

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  • Zeeshan
    Dec 22, 2011 - 2:43PM

    So as early as 1966 the Bangladesh was on the cards. Its a bad fortune that blood was shed for an inevitable. Our soldiers were made to fight for the wrong cause.

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  • G. Din
    Dec 23, 2011 - 1:26AM

    @Shakir Lakhani:
    “@Arijit Sharma: If Egypt lost in 1973, why did Israel hand the Sinai back to Egypt?”
    If Egypt did not lose, then evidently, logically speaking, it had won. So, how would Israel (which apparently had lost Sinai) hand Sinai back to Egypt? I wonder if you put any thinking or logic in your post before hitting “Post” button. Now, for your information, Israel handed over Sinai peninsula to Saadat of Egypt after he (Saadat) came begging for it with his hat in hand to Israel. The footage of his visit at the time can be accessed on the net.
    “In fact, it was India’s failure to defeat Pakistan in 1965 that shocked all Indians.”
    If memory serves right, Indian forces on that occasion had reached and parked on the eastern bank of Ichogil canal after occupation of Lahore with a large civil population had been ruled out. During those days, Pakistani forces on the west bank of the canal hung their bed sheets to block the view of Indian forces. At this, Indians played a rather popular Bollywood qawaali “Aaj kyon hum se purda hai” on the public address system pointed westwards.
    “It was due to this that India and the Soviet Union started planning to “liberate” East Pakistan.”
    Tell us how do you invent these “facts”? Do you have a source of information who can confirm that preparations for liberating East Pakistanis began between Soviet Union and India then?Recommend

  • Sana
    Dec 25, 2011 - 11:50PM

    @M. Sakhawat Husain:
    I am not comparing economies. Where were you when our economy was going fine?

    My friend LDC is the name given to a country which, according to the United Nations, exhibits the lowest indicators of socioeconomic development, with the lowest Human Development Index ratings of all countries in the world. It is the lowest grade then scomes the gradeof developing nation. This is not something to proud of but nonetheless it’s better. Now i have no idea why Bangladesh is in this list and Pakistan is not. However Bangladesh is expected to come out of this status in the next 10 years.

    Cotton is gift of nature and jute is not. I hope you guys grow jute plants just like we grow cotton.There is effort involved in both and please we don’t compare ourselves to you. So spare me the trouble.

    I do not downgrade your country’s achievements. There might be many that i am not aware of but i am not interested. Wish you and your country well.

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  • Sana
    Dec 26, 2011 - 12:10AM

    @M.S.Choudhury:
    You are getting it wrong. Majority population of Pakistan right now consists of young people meaning they were born well after 1971. They don’t know what it means to have Bangladesh as their part including myself. Its the same if you ask Indians about Pakistan which was once a part of India but they don’t feel it’s loss. Its like how can you feel a loss if you don’t know what it means to have it. I am sure many Bangladeshis today hardly have any feeling left for Pakistan. Much time has passed. You have moved on and so have we. As for west Pakistanis, i donot think that you know them to this day. What they felt then and what they feel today. What pain they went through. It’s irrelevant anyway.

    As for being better Muslims, i think i will applaud Bangladesh in this regard for keeping the right balance between religion and culture. Bangladeshis are better Muslims than us in many ways.

    I was born as Pakistani, not a west Pakistani. So when i say i don’t care about Bangladesh, it means different.It’s like i don’t have a feeling. No i don’t say what happened was great but we don’t regret the separation.We regret the violent separation.Wish it was done in a better way.

    Anyway no point in discussing it. I am no hate monger neither i have any negative feelings towards Bangladesh.I admire your country very much for your culture, your history and lot of other aspects. Cheers!

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  • AN
    Dec 26, 2011 - 12:23AM

    @Faisal Anwar:
    Fair enough but do read this as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leastdevelopedcountry

    However these terms are quite vague so let’s not fight about it anymore. Bangladesh is expected to come out of this status in the next 10 years. If your economy keeps going at it’s current pace and our economy doesn’t pick up then surely you will surpass us. Cheers mate!

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  • Deb
    Dec 26, 2011 - 2:28AM

    @Sana

    Congrats! Very sensible,mature view.
    Hope more and more people could have such impassionate views on all things that binds us together.

    from India

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  • Faisal Anwar
    Dec 26, 2011 - 12:29PM

    @AN:
    Hi, what you attached, we are already out of this. I have already provided the link of latest IMF views about both You & I as recent as 2011. So, let me repeat we are both part of developing country. You can send me your email address, I will forward you the entire IMF report. Kind regards, Faisal Anwar.

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