Death toll hits 12 as Pakistan, India continue cross-border shelling
The latest casualties came after nine people died on Monday, the highest civilian toll in a single day in more than a decade on the boundary.
On Wednesday, a woman who was injured in mortar shell attacks in the Sharkargarh sector of Sialkot succumbed to her injuries.
Previously, eight people were killed in the Chaprar Sector due to the cross border firing by the Indian security forces while three others were injured in Sajeet Garh sector of Sialkot area as a result of shelling.
According to ISPR, Pakistan Rangers effectively responded to ‘unprovoked firing’ by BSF.
As many as 20,000 people have so far migrated from the area due to the ongoing exchange of fire between Pakistani and Indian border forces at the working boundary.
While in India, two people were killed overnight Tuesday and 18 injured, some of them critically, director general of police K Rajendra told AFP.
An AFP reporter in the area said intermittent gunfire was continuing and residents had fled their homes after shelling damaged several houses and ripped power cables and electricity transformers.
Earlier, Adviser to the Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz released a statement on Tuesday expressing deep concern over the recent escalation of ceasefire violations at the Line of Control and Working Boundary by Indian security forces.
PM Nawaz summons National Security Council meeting
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has summoned a meeting of the National Security Council on Friday in light of recent border clashes, Express News reported.
The meeting which will be held at 10am will discuss matters pertaining to the recent clashes along the Line of Control and the Working Boundary as well as progress in the ongoing Operation Zarb-e-Azb in North Waziristan.
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@Qwerty I am not saying that I agree or disagree with u. What u say makes sense, but why on earth would a country "A DIVIDED nation involved in deep political CRISIS" want to attack a much larger, united, stronger nation who, this is obvious, can easily put their foot down on them? Im not trying to refute you. This is literally just a question asked out of curiosity
must read this article on this issue http://www.newsrealities.com/2014/10/why-nawaz-shareef-is-silent-on-indian.html
Now thtz insane.... u Indians hv been playing games since the independence...... u never wnted tht muslimzz shuld get their own country.... u guys tried ur best to break bngldesh frm pak which u succeeded too.... den nt letting the kashmiries to live happily in their own state.... it all showzz tht how dirty minded u r.... do u know by whom this Taliban is getin aid?? from RAW....... to attack the solvenirty of pak.... nw ur Pm Mr. Modi is again the extremist ....he n his party doesn't want peace.... they wnnt to break pak.... bt let me tell u we r united n we(Pak Army) will shw u wat ur place iss...... just see ur small heart...tht u guys always humiliate us in every field either sports or entertainment.....but we bigheart ppl... always ready to shake hands n make peace..... just think of it......
I find it pretty amusing when India is declared as a peace loving country which has never violated any LOC or International Agreement. During the independence time, India violated the Mountbatten plan by invading the princely states of Hyderabad and Junagadh. Citing hindu majority as the reason, they discarded the Muslim rulers of those princely states. However the same principle wasn't applied in Kashmir, which was run by a Hindu ruler with a muslim majority. India captured Kashmir and has not conducted plebiscite to determine the fate of Kashmir for over 60 years promised in United Nations in front of the entire world. In 1971 India capitalised on East Pakistan turmoil and fuelled an internal problem into creation of Bangladesh. Had Pakistan returned the favour in 80s, India would have seen a further partition and Sikhs would have gotten a separate homeland by the name of "Khalistan" in Indian Punjab. Siachen was invaded in a similar fashion by India as Kargil was done later by Pakistan, but the seed was sowed by Indians in the first place. Yet Indians, either in their oblivion or selective amnesia claim themselves to be a peace loving country. Please excuse Pakistanis when they refuse to be naive about all this. For peace to prevail in sub-continent like Europe, India needs to hold referendum in Kashmir determining their independence like it was done recently in Scotland. Once the issue is buried only then we can dream about peace. For my Indian friends who will response to this with accusation of cross border terrorism, we have a long list of similar accusations in Baluchistan too.
@Rana: Whole world knows who starts cease fire violations every time. India is the most peace loving country in the world since the world civilizations started. We never attack anyone. This is not our culture.
Guys, fact of life is civilians (and even military jawans) are dying at both ends, so we (the common people at both ends) should raise voice within our countries to stop it. agree? None of us knows true picture; we just munch on a cooked picture coming through media. Now let's push our own governments in democratic way to be first to project they are ready to handle this in peaceful ways; like offering to talk, think on other countries figures/facts (?) on firing from our side and give some solid promise of action to be done on our own side instead of asking other side to do it (that does not amount to accepting that we're doing it). I think this will start a basis to go further. I know it's really treaky to do in actual, but only a strong will for peace on both side can make this happen. And we, the common people on both sides can be democratic catalyst to make that happen.. Think..... and act......
@gp65 Again the blame game Pakistan started first...They are not idiots fighting the biggest war of terrorism and at same time wage a war like situation by starting cross border firings...Pakistan has been recording every cross border firing from India at UNMOGIP which India isint doing... Hurriyat talks...They also talked before.They were together on EID as well..Mr Bajpayee used to talk too..Why didn't you stop Pakistan before...It had set a precedent....u only needed any excuse to cancel talks...We only know what Modi said before elections
@hamza: Let us review whostarted all t he wars between India and Pakistan. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K57q_914QAU the person speaking is not an Indian but your own retired Air Marshal Asghar Khan.
@Moiz Omar: the loss of civilian life is highly regrettable. But it has been started by Pakistani armed forces firing across settled international border in Jammu on civilian areas. Indian army can be controlled by Indian civilians but Pakistani army unfortunately is out of control. They have not realized that the new Indian government is notblikely to succumb to blackmail to restart talks which were called off due to takking to Hurriyat.
pakistan should try something new...(positive), control their army/terrorist.. OR face a strong Indian govt./country for any situtation.... do or die.
This decades old issue needs to be resolved.Otherwise things will spiral out of control.Both parties are capable of mutually assured destruction.Emotions need to be controlled.Pakistan should make the right invironmrent for bilatetal negotiations, while India must not waste time to respond positively.Otherwise our mutual history will only be a history of conflict.
@Raj - USA: Get over this Pakistan phobia, stop distorting the facts, and seek professional help. You are more than paranoid. If you do not know what you are saying, then stop nonsense. Take a deep breath and drink lots of chilled water.
@ Adeel Bajwa, Don't worry about this Raj guy. He is nothing but an idiot with very low IQ. Pakistan bashing is his full time job. May be an employee of an agency.
These things need to stop already.
Lolz @All Indians, With due respect, Any one out there with physical/visual evidence of Pakistan violating ceasefire/IB? Have you seen anything with your naked eyes? how can you expect us (Pakistanis) to accept the trash that your state control media is putting forward? First of All, since India is a very big country, so it is of no use for us to mess with you since we are busy in dealing with issues inside us(speaking with authentic proof: that you have created it inside us). Secondly, India is stable economy(but it doesn't have money to build bathrooms, and for that, they had to ask bill gates for money to 'help build bathrooms') a very peaceful country(with almost a dozen separation moments, P.S: for you dirty minds, Pak has only one separation moments in Baluchistan and that is backed by your RAW). See we Pakistanis are not as angered as you, since few days back, COAS ordered Rangers to deal properly with any aggression, so, we all are rest assured that you would have been getting an equal and proper answer. Pak Army stated official statement that they don't fire at villages, any similar Indian army response? Some one said Indian army stopped terrorist infiltration, any proof? what if we say the same? would you agree? (of-course not, unless there is a proof, same goes for us) Kashmir is not yours.. we treat them with respect and separate state, see they have prime minister, plz use your minds over what it means. & you distributed expired food, very bad treatment with flood stricken people, and did not let our help to our dear kashmiri families. It is very well said, those who live in houses made of glass, should not throw stones over others' houses.
Raj-USA - What groups inside PAK army? details plz? last time I heard(as early as today), indian nuclear security force had fight amongst themselves, so what's your say on this? If you go back then there are many incidents of fight amongst your standing army guys. I could say a alot, but then, i dont have much time to waste on matters related to india, since Pak army & ISI are there looking for you. :)
It's sad that Pakistan army & government are having mutual distrust and playing with the life of innocent kashmiri pakistanis just to take take the issue to UN which has no credibility. Pakistan must realize the ground situation and sortout the matter peacefully and focus on it's flood relief act rather than wasting time, resource and focus on such fatal conflict.
Why are there so many Indian Trolls on ET?
Pakistan started violation on evening of Eid. To know actual situation I am reading Pak's news. But real situation is - India retaliating and then Pakistan re-retaliating and then India re-re-retaliating. So its a chain which should be braked.
@salman: Nice sense of humor !!
Indian trolls here are arguing that India is a stable country so it doesn't need any violations and wars. These lame excuses are baseless. Throughout history it were these so called stable countries waging war against other nations. Instead of accepting the crimes of their army (killing 8 innocent civillians) , they are playing the blame game. Portraying pak army as devil won't make you angel.
The ONLY party here that will benefit from a cross border flare-up is Pakistan. But this time around things could get out of hand.
@salman: @ajeet: @Rana: mr rana india is a peace loving country u are misguided by ur terrorist groups statements who doesn't want peace to happen very sorry to say ur govt. doesn't hv own power they play in the hands of terrorists nd mislead ur ppl by raising kashmir issue all the time. wake up mr don't let go ur country in the hands of dogs. strengthen democracy in ur country. live nd let others live happily. hope u doesn't belong to any terrorist group. love humanity love india. We also love our neighbours.
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its pakistan who is firing. india is just responding.
@Raj-USA - How come are you not working as a Bollywood film director?
THEY say WE did WE say THEY did . I see a third hand in between. Neither of the forces are so stupid as to start a war on their own. Theres a good possibility of a third party in between not wanting these 2 sides to get together . Please TALK to each other over the table.
Get rid of this failed state Indian army!! Pakistani army uses ceasefire violations to kill innocent people in J&K. Mind you, if Indian army wanted to go one step further and launch air strikes, it is possible under the Modi govt. So is there anybody sane left in the Pakistani army? Please stop ceasefire violations along LOC.
@Ardi: "India needs to know very clearly that it cannot progress and succeed if there is instability with both regions. So better stop messing with to ruin your ecnomic growth"
India also knows that its western neighbour will leave no stone unturned to see that it does not progress economically. It has to fix that problem first in order to progress
PM now its time take a stand or something rather than begging for peace........and stupid statements by Sartaj.....India kills our people and continuously blames Pakistan
Who needs this firing
A divided nation involved in deep political crisis
Or
A united nation involved in big economic negotiations with the world
Its always the same
Easiest way to unite pak-start fighting with india
Stay happy pak army-u tackled the nawaz-imran fight successfully
@Rana: Die!!
@Ardi: Don't worry India has capability to make u stable by teaching proper lesson.
Mr. Rana,
Yes i Agree this is non sense, which Pakistan is trying to achieve from last 4 decades, and every time they bite the dust, this time just to deviate the attention of Pakistan people from government. this new stratagem will going to hurt them very very badly.
@Rana: When your Army fired on Indians, what did it expect? Banquets? Gone are the days when the Indian side took it lying down. This is the response you will get if you try to sneak in the militants by using diversionary tactics
@Raj - USA: They want to prevent a violence free state election which they fear may lead to BP majority in J&K and in turn to repeal of article 370. Hence a desperate last ditch effort to infiltrate.
To keep recprds straight it was Pakistani rangers who have violated the ceasefire & india has responded mildly to show them their place
Here nobody is saint here , there is always Tit for Tat mechanism.
A question to the intelligent masses from both the countries:
What does India gain by starting trouble along the line of control ? India, is a stable democracy with a growing economy. India would not want to jeopardize the peace and prosperity gained over the last few decades by fomenting violence with her neighbors. In other words, why would India want to throw all the progress all away by starting a war ?
What does Pakistan gain by starting trouble along the line of control ? Pakistan gets to send as many of the so called "mujahideen" fighters across the border before winter sets in so that these fighters cam wage a proxy battle with the Indian state in disputed Kashmir. In this way, Pakistan can claim to be acting on behalf of Kashmiris as well as serving the Pakistani army's obsession of bleeding India with a thousand cuts. Plus, Kashmir has always been a common rallying cause among the various diverse interests (ethnic, sectarian, political) within Pakistan.
Now, you tell me who has the incentive to start trouble ? Sometimes, all one needs to arrive at an answer is to think logically.
A question to the intelligent masses from both the countries:
What does India gain by starting trouble along the line of control ? India, is a stable democracy with a growing economy. India would not want to jeopardize the peace and prosperity gained over the last few decades by fomenting violence with her neighbors. In other words, why would India want to throw all the progress all away by starting a war ?
What does Pakistan gain by starting trouble along the line of control ? Pakistan gets to send as many of the so called "mujahideen" fighters across the border before winter sets in so that these fighters cam wage a proxy battle with the Indian state in disputed Kashmir. In this way, Pakistan can claim to be acting on behalf of Kashmiris as well as serving the Pakistani army's obsession of bleeding India with a thousand cuts. Plus, Kashmir has always been a common rallying cause among the various diverse interests (ethnic, sectarian, political) within Pakistan.
Now, you tell me who has the incentive to start trouble ? Sometimes, all one needs to arrive at an answer is to think logically.
Pakistan believes in repeating a lie so that one day people may think it is THE truth. It is an unsaid truth that Pak's govt. do not have control over its army and it's army functions like a terrorist organization against India.
World knows who violates borders & peace. Ever since 1947, therer have been 4 futile wars launched by Pakistan, in two of which it lost face badly.
And yet, Pakistan Army makes it it's mission to change status quo through guns. So be it.
Well, somebody's crying wolf here... But then again, provoking older brother and hiding behind mommy is the oldest trick from the kid brother's book...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ceasefire-violations-continue-Pakistan-targets-40-posts-with-mortar-shells-three-injured/articleshow/44580681.cms
India violated ceasefire? Who has been firing at Indian posts and villages for the last 5 days?
What is working boundary ?
India needs to know very clearly that it cannot progress and succeed if there is instability with both regions. So better stop messing with to ruin your ecnomic growth.
Modi raj is different kettle of fish. It's more action and less talk.
This nonsense has gone too far... India fires at our population centers and blames Pakistan.... And we issue a press statement? And hold our horse... It's time for the pro dialogue GoP to wake up and smell th coffee.. You can't make peace with a man who is not only accused on mass killing (gujrat),a Hindu extremist party leader,has secured the ballot box with his Pak bashing during elections .. The same man who who cancelled th sec level talks,his hate speech on his visit to kargil n so on... How longer cqn amaan ki asha lovin group keep their eyes shut and their mouths mum!
It's time to deal with these people in the language they understand... You can have peace when these people don't even spare our villages during festivals!
Do or die!
Seems like Indians cannot digest the pounding their proxies hiding in Afghanistan and Waziristan, are getting by Pakistani Army. No wonder they want to open a front at eastern side to provide relaxation to the militants.
This LoC and border flare-up may not be the work of Pakistan's army. Pakistan's army is deeply fractured with so many groups and COAS is unable to control. After Kargil followed by disowning and dumping of Pakistani soldiers by the Army, dissent within the army started. Now, a substantial section of the army is influenced and Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association that has 3 million members. It is headed by Hamid Gul who stands shoulder to shoulder with Hafiz Saeed and other terrorists in DPC podium. There has been repeated attacks on the army itself and most of which have been with support from inside the army ranks. Retired Gen. Pasha is active in overthrowing the civilian government with the help of PTI and PAT. Recently the terrorists were almost successful in capturing a Navy Frigate and intended to use it to fire missiles on US naval forces. Pakistan's army cannot even control Hafiz Saeed who wants to send 12 truck loads (of terrorists) to India. Link: http://tribune.com.pk/story/771626/india-refuses-aid-from-pakistani-charity/
India is not interested in gaining even an inch of AJK with its radicalized punjabi population. So, there is no reason for India starting the firing. The terrorist groups want to infiltrate terrorists to India before the start of snow fall and sections of the army that support these infiltration have opened up covering fire to facilitate infiltration of terrorists to India. Raheel Sharif is unable to control his army. So, it is no use for India to hold any flag meetings or even take it up with anyone as both the civilian government and establishment have lost control.
Stop this nonsense