Kerry apologises over Raymond Davis killings

Published: February 16, 2011
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US Senator arrived in Lahore on Tuesday. PHOTO: AFP

US Senator arrived in Lahore on Tuesday. PHOTO: AFP

US senator John Kerry said Tuesday his country was “deeply sorry” over the killing of two Pakistanis by a US official, after arriving in Pakistan to resolve a diplomatic row over the man.

“We are deeply, deeply sorry for that tragic incident,” Kerry told a press conference soon after arriving in Pakistan’s eastern city of Lahore.

“I want to come here to express our deepest regret for those tragic events and to express the sorrow of American people for the loss of life that has taken place,” he said.

Kerry, who arrived in Lahore late Tuesday, is the chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who helped spearhead a record $7.5 billion aid package for Pakistan, is well respected in the country.

He will also meet government officials to reassure them of long-term US commitment to Pakistan, said a spokeswoman for the US embassy in Islamabad.

“He’s coming tonight to speak with government officials about the relationship and reaffirm support for the strategic relationship,” said spokeswoman Courtney Beale.

Kerry’s visit aims to look for a resolution to the issue and to tone down the pressure on Pakistan’s coalition government, one US official said on condition of anonymity.

US says it will certify Davis has diplomatic immunity

The US government on Monday announced that it will certify before a Pakistani court that Raymond Davis, the US consular employee accused of shooting dead two men in Lahore, has diplomatic immunity, according to a BBC report.

US state department spokesman PJ Crowley said, “On Thursday, we will present a petition to the court to certify that he has diplomatic immunity and that he should be released.”

He said Pakistan had an “international obligation” to release Davis because he “has diplomatic immunity”.

“We respect our international obligations, and we expect other countries, including Pakistan, to do the same,” he added.

Petition to summon Qureshi, Wahab in Davis case

Meanwhile, a writ petition was filed in the Lahore High Court (LHC) on Tuesday demanding that statements of former Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and former PPP Information Secretary Fauzia Wahab be included in the Raymond Davis case.

The petition was filed by the judicial activism panel and refers to a public statement issued by Qureshi in which he said that Washington pressured him for the release of Raymond Davis but he had refused to comply on the basis that Davis is not a diplomat.

The petition also requests for the inclusion of Fauzia Wahab’s statement at a press conference in which she claimed that Davis is a diplomat and is eligible for diplomatic immunity.

The petition has called on the court to summon both Qureshi and Wahab to record their statements.

It has also appealed to the court to hold Davis responsible for the death of Shumaila, the wife of one of the men shot dead by him.

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Reader Comments (75)

  • Feb 15, 2011 - 11:45AM

    It is very clear that govt. is under heavy pressure from US govt., since the press release of Mr. Qureishi and Ms. Wahab is contradicting to each other.
    The ultimate decision will be the release of Davis!Recommend

  • MAD
    Feb 15, 2011 - 12:16PM

    I’ll be very honest here. Raymond Davis cannot be tried for the death of the murdered mans Widow. it was suicide. Recommend

  • parvez
    Feb 15, 2011 - 12:22PM

    Is he or is he not ? That is the question.
    Is it nobler to say he is.
    Rather than suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
    Or say he is not.
    And take up arms against a sea of troubles.
    And by opposing end them.Recommend

  • Ahmer Ali
    Feb 15, 2011 - 12:31PM

    Assalam-o-Allaikum Warahmatullah.Raymond Davis’ diplomatic immunity clearly proves that any Pakistani diplomat can also kill any American suspect person in the USA while being chased to defend himself/herself and if it happens so then do our corrupt and beggars leaders have courage to defend Pakistani diplomat in the USA as US officials are defending Raymond Davis by using every possible available resource?Recommend

  • alian
    Feb 15, 2011 - 12:44PM

    After changing the records in the Foreign office , ITS USELESS NOW to show the records.

    US HAS to remove immunity and the KILLER of 4(Four) people should face what he has done

    I am tired of this US-PK fake relationship . Recommend

  • Riaz Phulpoto
    Feb 15, 2011 - 12:48PM

    lesson to be learned from this instance: US Government accords high priority to the safety of its nationals and Pakistani Government Considers its nationals as dogs.Recommend

  • Muhammad
    Feb 15, 2011 - 12:52PM

    Raymond Davis did the right thing. He has shown us the only way to deal with robbers.

    Its a shame that this country has fallen so low that the people can’t see right from wrong.

    Its time justice is done by ordinary citizens on those who commit crimes. The police are surely not going to help. Recommend

  • sajjad
    Feb 15, 2011 - 1:02PM

    there is no use of making noise….whether we want or we dont want RAYMOND DAVIS will go back to US ….safe and sound…….Recommend

  • kinza
    Feb 15, 2011 - 1:11PM

    Riaz Phulpoto, learn the lessons , without no use . keep learning …Recommend

  • Kamran
    Feb 15, 2011 - 1:14PM

    @MAD.
    Shamila’s death was due to her husband’s murder and her fear that Mr. Davis will be freed under pressure. Had her husband not been murdered by Mr. Davis, she would never have committed suicide. So, Mr. Davis is responsible for her death and should be dealt with accordingly.Recommend

  • MAD
    Feb 15, 2011 - 1:50PM

    @Kamran:

    I know that. i said he cant be tried for that murder. there is a definition of murder and it doesnt fall in that. try him for the two deaths. hang him if he is found guilty but you can only try a man for a crime that he has committed. why go about trying to stick a charge that wont hold up in any court of the world.Recommend

  • Ashraf R
    Feb 15, 2011 - 2:00PM

    What do you people think about the photo that showed one of the two ‘victims’ with a drawn gun in hand? Why do you think one of them had drawn the gun? To say ‘hi’ to Davis? Recommend

  • SA
    Feb 15, 2011 - 3:23PM

    Why do we even bother to read all this crap when we know he’s going to be released?????Recommend

  • Adeel Ahmed
    Feb 15, 2011 - 4:54PM

    Arrogant Americans needs to realise that our courts do not need a certificate from US government. They can say whatever they want, they are the accused party here.
    The Pakistani government needs to certify that this man is a diplomat… and our foreign office, foreign secretary and foreign minister have all declared that he is not.

    So let the law take its course… Do not worry America… we wont give 80 years life in prison to him for murdering two people, like you imprisoned Aafia for 80 years for apparently raising a gun at one of your guards, while she was being abused in illegal captivity and imprisonment.
    Heh… what justice!Recommend

  • SUB
    Feb 15, 2011 - 5:38PM

    Why it’s taking so long to produce the “diplomatic immunity” document? They could have produced it on the 1st appearance at the courtRecommend

  • Feb 15, 2011 - 6:24PM

    Washington insists Davis has diplomatic immunity and should be released but the Pakistani government, fearful of a backlash from Pakistanis already wary of the United States and enraged by the shooting, says the matter should be decided in court.

    “If (Pakistani) rulers hand him over to America then we will target these rulers. If Pakistani courts cannot punish Davis then they should hand him over to us,” said Azam Tariq, spokesman for the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.“We will give exemplary punishment to the killer Davis.” These are the news of Dawn on Feb 15. But what seems is that Raymond Davis is going to be released sooner or later as our present rulers cannot afford to resist US. On the other hand Taliban will only send their suicide bombers to kill common people on the pretext of taking revenge for the release of Raymond Davis. But question here is are Taliban really a different entity and not a creation of CIA ?Recommend

  • Hammad Ali
    Feb 15, 2011 - 6:28PM

    “We respect our international obligations, and we expect other countries, including Pakistan, to do the same,” PJ Crowley.

    In 1997, Gueorgui Makharadze, the Georgian Deputy Ambassador to the United States, accidently killed an American teenager in a road accident in Washington, D.C. The U.S. exerted extreme pressure on the Georgian government to lift his diplomatic immunity even though it was not a deliberate shoot-to-death killing, as in the case of Raymond Davis, but a car accident. The Georgian government finally relented “in the interests of U.S.-Georgian relations and on moral and ethical grounds.” Makharadze was tried in a U.S. court, found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to 21 years in prison.

    THIS IS A BIG LIE !Recommend

  • Hammad Ali
    Feb 15, 2011 - 6:53PM

    “We respect our international obligations, and we expect other countries, including Pakistan, to do the same,” PJ Crowley.

    THIS IS A BIG LIE !

    In 1997, Gueorgui Makharadze, the Georgian Deputy Ambassador to the United States, accidently killed an American teenager in a road accident in Washington, D.C. The U.S. exerted extreme pressure on the Georgian government to lift his diplomatic immunity even though it was not a deliberate shoot-to-death killing, as in the case of Raymond Davis, but a car accident. The Georgian government finally relented “in the interests of U.S.-Georgian relations and on moral and ethical grounds.” Makharadze was tried in a U.S. court, found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to 21 years in prison.Recommend

  • Mulla Toofhan
    Feb 15, 2011 - 7:10PM

    What is the Govt. trying to achieve by creating such confusion
    Over Davis, we know that this or any other Govt in Pakistan cannot hold American citizens regard less of any wrong doing committed by them, so stop playing games and get it over with. Recommend

  • Abdul-Mughis Rana
    Feb 15, 2011 - 8:05PM

    I beleive the Court and Government will act as per law! So that common Pakistani’s may know if the Pak Government really mean when they say “dont take law in your hand”! Recommend

  • Aamir+Ali
    Feb 15, 2011 - 8:29PM

    Raymond Davis should have been released long time back. He was a consulate employee and has diplomatic immunity.Recommend

  • Dan
    Feb 15, 2011 - 8:46PM

    @Hammad

    What’s a big lie. The U.S. respected international obligations by respecting the deputy ambassador’s diplomatic immunity. He wasn’t tossed in jail at the onset. The U.S. also, however, did what was well within it’s sovereign right, which was to request that Georgia waive such immunity. Georgia could have or could have not waived such immunity. In the end, the deputy ambassador served three years in the states, was sent back to Georgia to serve the remainder of his sentence, whereupon he was paroled after two more years. A similar incident involving a Russian diplomat mowing down two Canadian pedestrians resulted in Russia not waiving the diplomat’s immunity, but Russia tried the diplomat and found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter to which the guy served four years in a Russian penal colony.Recommend

  • Obserber
    Feb 15, 2011 - 9:12PM

    Very interesting match between Pakistan Vs USA.
    But the defeat of Pakistan seem to destiny in this game.
    All is money matter.
    And I don’t think the peoples is innocent if the pictures(gun in heands in some amarican news) is true,They may be agent of TTP or others.Recommend

  • MM
    Feb 15, 2011 - 9:13PM

    Whenever I think i couldn’t get more disappointed by this govt they always surprise me. Immunity or no immunity was the later issue at least they should have condemned the killing via foreign ministry and asked for the annulment of immunity if required (oh I’m dreaming a lot). A person, a foreigner, no matter whatever reason has killed persons on the road of a rushed place. But no they are all mute. Then there is the guess game going on like the lovers in the movies decide their love fate by pulling leaves ‘he is diplomat, he is not, oh he is again’ at least for God sake check your records and make it clear take a stance. If such are the affairs of the state then there is no need of foreign office mend it with the US consulate as they know better than the one in the business.Recommend

  • Sana Moneer
    Feb 15, 2011 - 9:32PM

    frankly speaking, i believe Davis’s being alive instead of one of those robbers is actually a beacon at the bay – pakistan at this apologetic state cannot afford to have another Daniel Pearl in its pathetic portfolio. And honestly, what have we done with the self confessed Sheikh Ahmed Omer Saeed of the Danny pearl murder? he is still in the jail, using tens of phone SIMs, calling up Musharraf and threatening him. is he a hero or what? why is he still alive? why the uproar about am american guy who would have brought disgrace and shame on pakistan had those robbers managed to shoot him during the assault? just like reported in this paper, (and refuted afterwards as well) those guys on the bike were supposedly intelligence officials. phew. some reporters can get stories so far fetched. just imagine how haywire things could have gone had Davis been hurt and investigations had revealed this (faulty) information. it could have been worse than wikileaks. Recommend

  • inderjit sahota
    Feb 15, 2011 - 10:06PM

    The two victims were they not pak govt employees?. One this is clear,all is not what it seems. both pak and usa not telling all.then the ? is what are they trying to cover up?Recommend

  • Feb 15, 2011 - 10:11PM

    @MAD:
    can he be tried of the death of murdered man?Recommend

  • Savail
    Feb 15, 2011 - 10:22PM

    RD is a trainned professional. He reacted quite properly in the face of clear and present danger. Well done. How would anyone one least of all an American react if confronted by two armed men (robbers)? Tried to shoot to mame? You dont do that under fire or threat of fire. Well done RD we are rid of two slime. The third guy who was run down is something to protest about. Recommend

  • KK
    Feb 15, 2011 - 10:44PM

    What about Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef ? How many people here know his story?
    google him and read what was done to him.Recommend

  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Feb 15, 2011 - 11:00PM

    Please do not talk on Raymond Davis any more. We are sick and tired what US government has been talking about the intentional killer Raymond Davis.

    We know what the law means for an American or for a Pakistani. You should look people from the same eyes. Pakistanis are not different from American human beings.
    Please go back to your country. We do not want any more financial support from US. Enough is enough.

    Raymond Davis case will be dealt by the court, not by Vienna Convention. Recommend

  • Ali Haider
    Feb 15, 2011 - 11:38PM

    That is better. Come to the court and fight for his release.Recommend

  • MuRti.!!
    Feb 15, 2011 - 11:40PM

    think what would have had happened if qureshi or haqqani did this in America whatever was done by Davis. ??Recommend

  • Blithe
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:19AM

    Sorry does not cut in the court of law. Recommend

  • Asif
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:25AM

    @Ahmer Ali:
    Our political elite are beggers because our agricultural landlords and business elite including exporters do not pay any taxes. There is no tax on agricultural income or on export income in Pakistan. Who is to blame for that? Why do only 2% of Pakistani people have to pay taxes? Recommend

  • Asif
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:29AM

    @Muhammad: And what about the poor innocent man who was deliberatley crushed to death under suv that was trying to ‘rescue’ Davis, and the two women who were seriously injured? At the scene of serious auto accident or a shooting is it not the law that one has to stay there until the police arrive? He was in no danger. No one was attacking him. So why did he try to run if he was innocent? Recommend

  • parvez
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:39AM

    Senator Kerry’s statement to the press in Lahore was a major concession and a appeal to our sensibilities. I thing a point had to be made by us in this incident and we have done so. Labouring it any further will be counter productive. Now reason and common sense must prevail and a solution arrived at whereby he is released but must be punished for his crime. We must remember for America this is a total loss situation. Recommend

  • Blithe
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:44AM

    Qureshi did not reccognise him as a diplomat and that was beacuse of the professional briefings he got from the Foreign Ministry.

    So how can we be harping on about diplmatic immunity when Pakistan never recognised him as a diplmat?

    This is all a bogus way to pressurise Pakistan. Every Tom, Dick and Harry cannot “become a diplomat” after commiting a crime.

    Why is the US confusing the issue???Recommend

  • Asif
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:47AM

    http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff02082011.html

    Under Pakistani law, only actual consular functionaries, not service workers at embassy and consulate, have diplomatic status. Furthermore, no immunity would apply in the case of “serious” crimes–and certainly murder is as serious as it gets.

    The US media have been uncritically quoting the State Department as saying that Pakistan is “violating” the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 by holding Davis in jail on murder charges. Those reporters should check the actual document.

    Section II, Article 41 of the treaty, in its first paragraph regarding the “Personal inviolability of consular officers,” states:

    “Consular officers shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a grave crime and pursuant to a decision by the competent judicial authority.”

    In other words, the prosecutorial, police and judicial authorities in Lahore and the state of Punjab are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in holding Davis on murder charges, pending a judicial determination concerning whether or not he can properly claim diplomatic immunity.

    The US claim that Pakistan is violating the convention is simply nonsense.Recommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 12:47AM

    Here’s the link to Vienna Convention on Consular Relations,

    http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/921963.pdf

    Take a look at article 41 (Personal inviolability of consular officers) at page 17.Recommend

  • Asif
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:49AM

    @Ashraf R: a real photo? care to provide a link? Recommend

  • [email protected]
    Feb 16, 2011 - 1:00AM

    IF HE HAS DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY DOES THAT MEAN ANY DIPLOMAT WHO KILLS ANY OF OUR PRESIDENT OR OUR PRIME MINISTER WILL GO SCOT FREE BECAUSE HE HAS “DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY”. THAT IS GOOD THEN- ALL DIPLOMATS CAN KILL ANY HEAD OF STATE THEY DO NOT LIKE OR ONE WHO GOES AGAINST THEIR WISHES :)???????? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH AN ANSWERRecommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 1:04AM

    Below is the link to Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Take a look at the Article 41 (Personal inviolability of consular officers) at page 17.

    http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/921963.pdfRecommend

  • Mike Sullivan
    Feb 16, 2011 - 1:21AM

    @Dan
    Thats your version of the story. You can convince yourself and a few others, mainly Americans, to interpret the story the way you see it. But you cannot deny Hammad’s view is what quite a few people, including Georgians, take.Recommend

  • Aamir+Ali
    Feb 16, 2011 - 1:38AM

    Mullah Abdul Zaeef was representative of gangster Taiban regime and was kicked out after the Taliban regime ceased to exist.Recommend

  • Adnan
    Feb 16, 2011 - 2:17AM

    “We respect our international obligations, and we expect other countries, including Pakistan, to do the same,”
    One word: Guantanomo!Recommend

  • American
    Feb 16, 2011 - 2:56AM

    @Hammad and others:
    Your facts are not straight….just like most Pakistanis…they argue with half truths and half innuendos, mixed with honor, and show as “law”.
    Like a child, they are unable to reconcile shoot-and-kill-in-Pakistan with cannot-be-prosecuted-in-Pakistan-under-international-law.
    They don’t, or can’t, understand how murder can result in immunity.
    If you stop thinking that Pakistan and Islam are at the center of the universe, then, you will see that there are others, there is globalization, there are international laws and treaties.
    And that this is an inter-dependent world. Recommend

  • G.Din
    Feb 16, 2011 - 3:55AM

    It is very interesting to observe how readership of ET reacts to posts here.
    Hammad Ali posted the same comment twice, one immediately following the other, with one little exception. In the first post, he forgot to include the line “THIS IS A BIG LIE” just after the quoted Crowley statement but instead included that at the end of his post which gave the impression that his own comment in reaction to Crowley statement was a BIG LIE.
    Just after posting it, he realized his mistake, corrected his post by moving the line to where it should have been, meaning that Crowley was a BIG LIAR.
    The first post impugning his own comment got 7 recommendations and his second one was recommended by just two by the time of this post.
    Does this mean that more people agree that Hammad Ali, not Crowley, is a big liar!!!!!
    Interesting!!!!Recommend

  • F Robinson
    Feb 16, 2011 - 3:59AM

    US diplomat Raymond Davis should go free. Pakistan is violating International law.
    STOP US AID to Pakistan.Recommend

  • [email protected]
    Feb 16, 2011 - 4:10AM

    if a diplomat kills the head of state of the country he is posted in, can he go scot free because he is a “diplomat”??Recommend

  • [email protected]
    Feb 16, 2011 - 4:12AM

    from all that has happened I conclude that any diplomat can kill and demand immunity.Recommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 5:46AM

    This case can prove to be the last straw on the stock of burden that Pakistan and it’s people have been lifting and bearing since it’s very existance, be it drone attacks, friendly fires from the western borders, Dr. Aafia’s prosecution in US or American intrusion in the tribal belt, we have to draw a line now, and it’s high time for the whole nation and it’s leaders to univocally speak against American bully.
    We can recall the American prosecuter’s remark on handing over of Aimal Kansi, we should prove that we don’t sell over mothers for US dollars.

    If they impose more sanctions on Pakistani economy and/or military it will serve as a blessing to us and we as a result, will quit relying on American aid and start focusing on self relliance as pressler ammendments in the past made us produce fire arms and jet planes (JF-17 Thunder) within Pakistan. justice should prevail, no more doctrine of nessecity!! Pakistan must start living with grace and dignity now!!!Recommend

  • URTruth
    Feb 16, 2011 - 6:01AM

    Loss of life is regrettable……….. Now back to the dronies and the ensuing collateral damage, loss of life is regrettable.Recommend

  • Syed
    Feb 16, 2011 - 6:19AM

    We also apologize if Aafia Bibi has done something wrong.. please hand her over also.. Recommend

  • Asif
    Feb 16, 2011 - 7:15AM

    Section II, Article 41 of the Vienna Convention, in its first paragraph regarding the “Personal inviolability of consular officers,” states:

    “Consular officers shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a grave crime and pursuant to a decision by the competent judicial authority.”

    In other words, the prosecutorial, police and judicial authorities in Lahore and the state of Punjab are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in holding Davis on murder charges, pending a judicial determination concerning whether or not he can properly claim diplomatic immunity.

    The US claim that Pakistan is violating the convention is simply nonsense.Recommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 7:50AM

    Pakistani Army, police, or law-enforcement officials should arrest US War Criminal John Kerry and prosecute him in a court of law for murdering thousands of innocent Pakistani children, women and men with US drone bombs in nuclear Pakistan; killing millions of innocent Afghan children, women and men through the US illegal war in illegally occupied Afghanistan; robbing billions of dollars from American tax-payers to finance the US fraudulent war of terror against all Muslims; bribing the PPP with US aid; and obstructing justice to release US CIA spy Raymond Allen Davis from a Lahore jail.Recommend

  • Safwan
    Feb 16, 2011 - 9:40AM

    That is not an apology. He just said that that they were sorry. Sorry is not equal to apology.Recommend

  • Mastishhk
    Feb 16, 2011 - 10:24AM

    Regret and apology are two different emotions. Senator Kerry did not apologize for the deaths, he simply regretted the deaths. The media is not interpreting the speech correctly !!!
    And Senator Kerry doesn’t have to apologize for anything. Thanks to Raymond Davis, Pakistan has lesser number of robbers now !!!!Recommend

  • Abdul-Mughis Rana
    Feb 16, 2011 - 10:25AM

    How a confirmed killer should be dealt with? As for Kerry, if he is really and deep enough sorry and if the deceased’s families agree Pak Government must exchange Dr. Aafia Siddiqi with R.D. Recommend

  • Tanvir Ahmed Siddiqui
    Feb 16, 2011 - 10:48AM

    Respected dignitary our guest in Islamabad Mr. Senetor John Karry :
    Sir high time you all need to be More Transparent and Least Mysterious in your approach towards case of Raymond Davis..Your President Mr. Obama and your good self are consuming all your energies so far to convince and educate us about International law of Diplomatic Immunity..We as a nation thereby are already abreast and convinced that such a black law exists and we as a country are signatery to that Viana Convention..Instead you and your effecient machinery should convince us about the ligibility of the kind
    of diploamtic status to claim absolute immunity of that criminal and
    killer Raymond Davis. I am sorry Sirs, for you He may be Mr. Raymond Davis but for us He is just a criminal, killer and a day light muderor named as Raymond Davis..
    Without any clarifications on the subject you are just so mysteriously saying and telling us that he is your diplomat but have so far not proved anything transparent about his diplomatic statuts. Just your arrogance and authoratarian statement this time does not satisfy the legal and moral complications..Recommend

  • Bryan
    Feb 16, 2011 - 11:40AM

    The reaction of the Pakistani people to this incident is just unfathomable to most Americans. The anti-American propaganda in your media has done great damage to Pakistan.

    Davis is covered under the Convention. Agreement on this is near-universal amongst legal experts. If Pakistan is still a nation of laws, he will be released.

    The Georgian diplomat in the US had a prior drunken driving arrest for which he was not prosecuted due to his diplomatic status. He later killed an innocent person. Davis shot two armed criminals. If I were him, I would not feel that my chances at a fair trial were very good in a state where bodyguards who assassinate those they are assigned to protect are hailed as heroes.

    If a Pakistani diplomat shot two armed robbers in Virginia, the police would probably say something like, “Nice shooting. Enjoy the rest of your day.”Recommend

  • SUB
    Feb 16, 2011 - 12:28PM

    @Aamir+Ali: dear Sir, I am from a “taat school” however U still need to consult a dictionary for the word “Gangster”Recommend

  • [email protected]
    Feb 16, 2011 - 2:25PM

    Mr Bryan please read Article 41 of the Vienna Convention:(Recommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 2:38PM

    If Davis is innocent so is Aafia Siddique !Recommend

  • MAD
    Feb 16, 2011 - 3:19PM

    @Sabeen Masood:

    I think I already said that. i only commented on the suicide. the man doesnt have immunity for grave crimes. it’s all fraud and a cover up.they will ship him off to the US in exchange for whatever demands the govt has made.Recommend

  • Feb 16, 2011 - 3:41PM

    Why Senator Kerry is sorry for this killings. When Dr. Afia Siddiqi trial was in progress and verdit was about to announce, there were large procession in whole of Pakistan and abroad and at that time US paid no heed on these mercy appeals.

    So why do we consider his “sorry”. US must allow to take our justice its own course despite being pressurized from outside.Recommend

  • Abdul-Mughis Rana
    Feb 16, 2011 - 5:16PM

    @F.Robinson I agree, we have a back to scratch! America release Dr. Aafia Siddiqi we let R.D. freeRecommend

  • Abdul-Mughis Rana
    Feb 16, 2011 - 5:26PM

    @Bryan
    Pakistani or American is not the concern, humanity is! This is not hating each other but Justice. Lets wait for Court’s decision. Recommend

  • Dan Da Man
    Feb 16, 2011 - 9:16PM

    @ Bryan – US embassy failed to identify him and neither would confirm Raymond’s name initially. First they said he worked in Lahore and then a day later it was changed to Islamabad. No body has asked the question what was a US Diplomat doing with Professional ammunition and telescopes maps and gadgets in the middle of downtown Lahore. It has been clarified what exactly he does and did he actually kill those two armed men on a motor bike ( Whose guns were not loaded apparently) “in the line of duty” – and ofcourse the other US diplomat who ran over the innocent passerby has not been handed over . The high handed ness of your governement is what irks mosts people here. Most people here are quite exposed to various points of view as they watch International media as well as the Pakistani. unfortunalty its the Networks in US that are mostly fed news coverage by “Sources close to Pentagon” that need to broaden their horizons and not accept whatever is given to them as Gospel truth.Recommend

  • hamid siddiqui
    Feb 17, 2011 - 12:53AM

    @F Robinson:
    First of all this Raymon Davis was never a authentic and recognized/registered diplomat.
    Secondly even if he was , the crime he committed has changed his status to a terrorist.
    He enjoyed the diplomatic family as you said he was a diplomat, now let him enjoy his real family behind the bars.
    Its simple if you want to under stand, Pakistan should stop helping USA in their so called self claimed war on terror.Recommend

  • maestro
    Feb 17, 2011 - 4:06AM

    @Ashraf R: there is no doubt that if Davis was actually being threatened, than he had full right to defend himself no matter what country he was in and what passport he was carrying. However, there are too many possible scenarios for why those men were shot – remember, he was still in a part of Lahore that most Pakistanis do not venture into, had, an illegal weapon, pics of sensitive Pak army sites near the Indian border, GPS equipment, followed by questionable statements coming out of the US State dept., regarding his true identity and even which consulate (Lahore, Peshawar, Islamabad) he was reporting to – add to that the fact that he was working as private security contractor (whatever that means) and this whole thing becomes very very fishy. But yes, again, if those men on the motorbike were regular robbers threatening his life, he was in absolute and full right to defend himself and should be set free. BUT, an honest court must decide that….. Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Feb 17, 2011 - 7:01PM

    What about the third guy who got run over? Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Feb 17, 2011 - 10:52PM

    @Muhammad:

    What if someone declare you a robber?????Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Feb 17, 2011 - 10:56PM

    @Daniyal Nawaz:

    I believe section 37 is related to admin and technical staff, which US mission is claiming he is.

    Please read section 37(2) of Vienna convention under which immunity can be claimed. The admin and technical staff has limited immunity for actions in course of their activities and not the blanket immunity. You can read that at following link of UN website:

    http://treaties.un.org/untc//Pages//doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%20500/volume-500-I-7310-English.pdf

    I believe by claiming immunity, USA is voilating Int’l LawsRecommend

  • Ahmed
    Feb 17, 2011 - 10:58PM

    @American:

    Please read section 37(2) of Vienna convention under which immunity can be claimed. The admin and technical staff has limited immunity for actions in course of their activities and not the blanket immunity. You can read that at following link of UN website:

    http://treaties.un.org/untc//Pages//doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%20500/volume-500-I-7310-English.pdf

    I believe by claiming immunity, USA is voilating Int’l LawsRecommend

  • Hamid Siddiqui
    Feb 19, 2011 - 10:09AM

    I am happy to see Mr. John Kerry, taking his time and apologizing on behalf oh US government, at least there is one person who admits that a crime is committed, and some innocents were killed by an American terrorist, the only thing which Mr. Kerry is hesitating to say is that this man Raymond Davis is a trained criminal, and is the member of the group of Americans who were sent by his Government in the name of contractors, and the contract was to create fear in Pakistan by killing Pakistanis and putting blames on some political or religious group in Pakistan.

    I have great American friends, I know they are the nicest human beings, but they wonder why Americans are hated in every country of the world.
    I think they should now understand that it is there government’s greed, that has made once loved Americans, the most hated and unable to travel any where without fear for their life.

    As for Pakistanis, once a great nation, full of great potentials, having the most talented people, have lost their self integrities, and they don’t realize that Pakistan never needed nor needs any aid, from any country in this world for their survival. And in fact its their elected Leaders who get paid by these types of Governments to run their agendas of spreading fear in public, to speak their masters (America) voice.

    Its time that Pakistanis have to take a stand, and think that on one side the American Government is showing determination to save their terrorist and on the other side Pakistanis are demanding justice, we should be heard and supported by the world, we demand nothing but respect, because we are a free nation.

    But our leaders who have signed a slavery contract for their personal wealth collections, have portrayed the whole nation as slaves, so its the nation who has to decide, and if the answer is that we are a proud, free and peace loving nation, then change the Leaders, and elect those who love Pakistan and take pride in being leaders of an independent country.Recommend

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