MPs told Russia, India and UAE involved in Baloch insurgency

Published: December 3, 2010

Baloch insurgents at a camp south of Quetta, PHOTO: AFP

A briefing given by the then director general of military operations, Ahmed Shuja Pasha, to parliamentarians has been characterised as being supportive of the US.

According to the WikiLeaks cable, a draft of a presentation shared with the US by National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani stated that Pakistan had not allowed the US to conduct cross-border operations. Parliamentarians were also told that India and Russia were involved in the insurgency in Balochistan. Pasha said India has established nine training camps along the Afghan border, where they are training members of the Baloch Liberation Army. He also claimed “India and the UAE (reportedly due to opposition to construction of the Gwadar port) were funding and arming the Baloch. Pasha also claimed that the Russian government was directly involved in funding/training/supporting the insurgency.”

Former president Pervez Musharraf had also raised the point with US officials in September 2007. According to a memo, he had asked the US to intervene on “the ‘deliberate’ attempt of Kabul and New Delhi to destabilise Balochistan.”

Musharraf told officials that Pakistan had proof that India and Afghanistan were “involved in efforts to provide weapons, training and funding for Baloch extremists through Brahamdagh Bugti and Baloch Marri, two Baloch nationalists, who were living in Kabul.”

“We have letters instructing who to give what weapons [and] to whom,” he said.

A source who had attended the in-camera session told the US, “Pasha’s briefing consisted mainly of videos and photos of Taliban and other terrorist organisation’s activities that demonstrated the militants were both inhumane and un-Islamic.”  According to the source, “At several points, female parliamentarians asked the army to stop showing disturbing footage, including a gory beheading.”

However, the memo notes,  Pasha did not mention the threat from Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed in a drone strike in August 2009.

In a meeting with US Senators Joe Biden (now US vice president) and Lindsey Graham, Kayani said: “He was painfully aware that the army had to retake South Waziristan since 90 per cent of the suicide bombers came from Baitullah Mehsud.” “He has to be cut down to size,” he said.

Pasha briefed members on what he termed “United States government drone incursions and missile strikes.” The source told the embassy that Pasha praised the US for its support through these methods and showed statistics to parliamentarians that demonstrated the vast majority of those killed in these attacks were either foreign or Taliban fighters.

However, politicians believed that the briefing had not provided any new information. Details of a dinner which was attended by several political leaders in attendance noted that “Pasha, unsurprisingly, defended Pakistan’s sovereignty against US incursions.”

However, they “did not share details from the briefing about foreign fighters killed in the alleged US drone attacks.”

Leaked documents show support from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani for drone strikes, and that the Pakistan Army asked for US special operations elements to be deployed with the Frontier Corps.

Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) parliamentarians Shaukatullah and Munir Khan Orakzai and Muttahida Qaumi Movement leader Farooq Sattar said at the dinner that they had pointed out during the question-and-answer session in parliament that “not all terrorists were tribals and that the government needed to address growing extremism in Punjab.”

Other details about the Inter-Services Intelligence have also emerged in the leaked documents.

According to an October 2009 memo, ISI director general Pasha had told the US ambassador that he had “followed up on threat information that an attack would be launched against India
between September-November. He had been in direct touch with the Israelis on possible threats against Israeli targets in India.” Pakistan does not recognise Israel as a country.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 3rd, 2010.

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Reader Comments (96)

  • vasan
    Dec 2, 2010 - 2:31PM

    Now the conspiracy theory envelopes Russia as well. The imagination of Pakistan is running wild or Are the Russians taking it out for their Afgan disaster???Recommend

  • Sengathir
    Dec 2, 2010 - 2:44PM

    mmm…. So it is not American belief that Indian-Russian support Balochis.. Americans cabled what Pakistan DIG briefed their parliment…Recommend

  • Dec 2, 2010 - 2:53PM

    India has been openly declaring Pakistan a terrorist state after the 26/11 bombings. Pakistan, despite finding evidence against India on different issues like the Samjhota Express bombing continues to remain embarrassingly silent. Why isn’t our stance defensive??Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:00PM

    it is another comedy, that India is doing those things…Pakistanis have to think other way and give up Kashmir to India, so that they live peacefully and not like what Pakis were experiencingRecommend

  • aa
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:03PM

    @ Sengathir

    but india is involved anyway. its reality. by keeping ur eyes close reality will never be changed.Recommend

  • andrew
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:07PM

    yes India is supporting Baloch insurgency.Recommend

  • 1
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:11PM

    India is involved.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:12PM

    Come ET editors, at least keep the link between news and its headline. Where does in your write up it says that its according to leaked documents. All it says is ” The DG (ISI) believes it to be so”. Now compare that to the headline. Already there is so much mistrust and headlines like these add to that mistrust.Recommend

  • andrew
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:13PM

    yes India is supporting Baloch insurgency, its realityRecommend

  • Kamal
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:15PM

    its coming from ISI chief…does he has any credibility..what else he is suppose to say??Recommend

  • as
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:16PM

    Everyone knows that India is involved in Baloch insurgency. India is funding Bramdagh Bugti. India is behind the spot fixing scandals. India is behind Srilankan attacks. But whole world has turned a blind eye toward Indian conspiracies.Recommend

  • Kamal
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:21PM

    Sehrish,the stance is defensive only because there is no evidence..its a propaganda that India is doing this..If Pakistan and Pakistani army really has proof then whether they are waiting for invitation card from world leaders to show it..Recommend

  • Dec 2, 2010 - 3:22PM

    This is just a report on what the DG ISI said, whats new?Recommend

  • vasan
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:50PM

    Sehrish Khan
    India has declared Pakistan as a terrorist state even before Mumbai massacre. Our Ex Prime minister Vajpayeeji has always called Pakistan as epicentre of terrorism. After Mumbai, the only change that happened and proved by wikileaks is that THE WORLD HAS ACCEPTED INDIAN VIEW AND CONSIDER PAKISTAN AS A TERRORIST STATE.
    Samjhota express blast is under investigation and like any other blast in Pakistan. The Indian govt or state apparatus is nothing to do with that and hence India will never be associated with terrorismRecommend

  • Dec 2, 2010 - 3:55PM

    Well, India and Russia is but what about the UAE ??? our so called Islamic brothers are no less then the worst … these Arabs will not let any opportunity to damage us. India is our next door neighbour, we need to be at peace with them … better for us and for them, both. Lets us deal with these arab fanatics, before it’s too late. Arabs know that if India and Pakistan get to deal with each other, the two will overtake middle-east in a matter of time, economically.Recommend

  • Asad Baig
    Dec 2, 2010 - 3:57PM

    The cable proves what Pervez Musharraf has been saying and rightly so.Recommend

  • ADNAN SWATI
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:04PM

    but in spite of this Pakistan wont speak about India issue in a loud voice where as India is shouting for just one attack where about 60 to 70 people were killed and in Pakistan this happens every week . this leak is really very important as far as Pakistan is concernedRecommend

  • Mr Patriot
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:06PM

    Russia might be supporting before. But at present Pakistan and Russia enjoy exelent relations. Putin called Pakistan an Ally in every sense. Intrestingly Russia Pressurized Tajikistan not to give ayni Air base to india and vocate Fakhor from Indians(Asia times Reported http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LL01Df02.html)
    As for Indian Involvement, India is famous for supporting terrorim in neighbor hood let me quote Thomas A Mark, an American Academic Who teaches in US War College and is renowned Authority on Insurgency and Counter Insurgency. he writes
    …..The “Third agency of RAW,” a supra intelligence out fit started training Tamil insurgents in 32 training camps. By mid 1987, 20,000 insurgents had been trained and were provided weapons by central government of India and state government of Tamil Nadu. While most of the initial training was confined to military and paramilitary camps in utter Perdeash, specialized training was given in special training camps in New Delhi, Momby, and Vishakhapatnam[xxvi]. The most enigmatic training was given to insurgents in Dera Dun along with Bengali, Pakistani and Tibetan rebels……(Thomas A. Marks, Maoist insurgency since Vietnam, Frank Cass and company limited London.1996)Recommend

  • Someone
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:07PM

    Its possible, but we all know the ISI; hardly anything they’ve ever done or said has ever been credible, let alone what they have done in protecting our “national interests.” In my opinion, ISI is the most overhyped intelligence agencyRecommend

  • saad
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:17PM

    now its clear that india, russia is stopping pakistan to become world power. arab people are stopping bcoz Holy Prophet (PBUH) has chosen pakistanis to lead the muslim world and it’s prophecised as ghazwa-e-hind thats why arab also wanted to stop pakistanis. we have islamic nuclear bomb.Recommend

  • BENHUR
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:20PM

    What is wrong with that ? There is no reason to be coy and apologetic about it. Just like Pakistan supports Kashmir Insurgency in INDIA, I think INDIA should provide all kinds of support to Baloch Insurgency as well. And even Russia has a good reason to get even with the Pakistan Establishment. We are living in a new world order, and everyone wants to pursue their national interest. Your friend is my enemy, And your enemy is my friend. In any case, even Pakistan follows a similar doctrine.Recommend

  • bunny
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:27PM

    Well Mr Singh i think if u remember at one forum indian prime minister also accepted it and admitted to stop it during a discussion with Pakistans prime minister i think when he was taken to task by your media and other political partiesRecommend

  • yousaf sihail
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:28PM

    yes 100% correct….
    india is going towards END….!
    thats why india doing this….!Recommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:37PM

    The ISI chief “reported” to some parliamentarians that Russia, UAE and India are running camps for Balochis in Afghanistan. Is he day-dreaming? Russians ? in Afghan? You think Americans will keep quite? How come there is no mention of the same by American sources collaborating the same? How come US has not reported this on this themselves?Recommend

  • Sayed Aasim Jawaid Siddiqui
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:39PM

    Isn’t it time to stop thinking the conspiracy theories, and make our own house straight as well as our front and back yard both…….There has always been conspiracies going on since the birth of human, but why do we fall prey of them and keep building mistrust……….Stop being a proxy and come out in the open and we should as pakistani’s own what we own and disown what we have not created with vigor………..Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:40PM

    Correctly pointed out by Tony Singh, Please change the headline as ‘ WikiLeaks: India, Russia, UAE supporting Baloch insurgency says DG, ISI’

    And to our Pakistani friends, ‘this is what knee-jerk reaction’, go and protect your President, he is fearing for his life.Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:43PM

    I agree with El-Edroos.
    It is just a US report of what Mr. Suja Pasha briefed the joint session called by the President. This is not a US finding.Recommend

  • sohaib
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:53PM

    i dont understand why Pakistan is apologetic after such evidence? This briefing was supposed to be secret. How come Americans came to know about it and why? That MP must be hunted down and hanged who became the informer of the Americans. Recommend

  • Ronit
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:57PM

    Now that Russia has also been accused, only CHINA, pakistans bff, is leftRecommend

  • vasan
    Dec 2, 2010 - 4:59PM

    Bunny
    “Well Mr Singh i think if u remember at one forum indian prime minister also accepted it and admitted to stop it during a discussion with Pakistans prime minister i think when he was taken to task by your media and other political parties”

    The Indian prime minister simply listened to what the Pakistanis had to say, He never accepted anything . Please go thru the newspapers. Dont spread false newsRecommend

  • umair baluch
    Dec 2, 2010 - 5:09PM

    there is no doubt that india was supporting insurgency in pakistan balochistan and there own PM agreed on it when he was given evidence in a meeting in sharm ul sheikh Egypt and the issue of balochistan was included in the joint press releaseRecommend

  • Kamal
    Dec 2, 2010 - 5:30PM

    Bunny,It seems your memory is short..Manmohan singh agreed to mention Baloochistan in joint declaration saying that we have nothing to hide on Baloochistan..Does that means acceptance of anything??Recommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Dec 2, 2010 - 6:22PM

    The Declaration of Sharm al Shaikh was another deceit by Pak where it slipped in the Balochistan statement. Shame diplomacy by Pak FO.Recommend

  • Baloch
    Dec 2, 2010 - 6:38PM

    If Indian are involved in Balochistan then why the Baloch insurgence do not carry out big attacks means crash gunship helicopters or attacks on military camps… so far there was not such incident took place. only targeted killings and blowing up gas-pipeline and throwing hand grenades, does not strengthen the notion that India Russia and UAE are involved. i think such incident could be carry out by local support. today 85 per cent Balochs are supporter of the insurgents because of Pakistani forces. and percentage is growing every passing day.Recommend

  • sharjeel khan
    Dec 2, 2010 - 6:40PM

    india is supporting insurgency in balochistan but the end result is that it is herself about to be over runned by maoists guirellas. they are now present in 200 of 600 districts in india. just wondetring when they will arrive in delhi,,,,,Recommend

  • Khurram Baig
    Dec 2, 2010 - 6:44PM

    History would suggest that India is involved. It was involved in East Pakistan. It was involved in Sri Lanka. It is involved in Nepal. So odds are that it is involved in Balochistan and Afghanistan as well. After all India sees itself as a global super-power, most certainly is a regional super-power and it is watching out for it’s interests. Pretty much like any super-power would do. China is the same, Russia, US, no different. Sure conspiracy theories abound and cannot always be proven. But think about it, 9/11 is basically still a conspiracy theory, yet the world has been changed based on the follow-up actions to that attack. The WMDs in Iraq remain a conspiracy theory to this day, yet the US and its allies went to war based on just that.
    So I don’t see why Pakistan is so wrong in having its own bag of theories. Recommend

  • Dec 2, 2010 - 6:48PM

    The point to be noted here is that this allegation against India put up by the ISI not the us ambassador so therefore holds no credibility whatsoever. And by the way if you are so sure that India, Russia and the UAE are involved in Baluchistan insurgency then why don’t you share the evidence with the whole world.

    This is an open challenge from an Indian to Pakistan. If you have an evidence then share with the world otherwise stop spreading your conspiracy theories.

    The fact is this you don’t have any evidence whatsoever so even if you shout from the rooftop against India; no one is going to trust you.
    Pakistan must fix its own home instead. We are sick of your never ending conspiracy theories now.Recommend

  • Dec 2, 2010 - 6:48PM

    Balochistan will never go off our hands, they are our brothers, we just need to treat them like. Inida is our neighbour andd we can’t change this, we havee alot in common with them and so we need to be at peace with them. The real adversery lies beyond the shores in the middle east and that’s what we need to handle together. Recommend

  • shaa chou
    Dec 2, 2010 - 6:54PM

    yar i dnt undersatnd that why uae is doing that only because of gawader.Recommend

  • Kamal
    Dec 2, 2010 - 7:43PM

    Saad…Baooch are your brothers..nice to know that.what about Bangladesh?? they were not your brother?? what happened to “umrah” theory.Reality is if you do’nt give equal rights to balocchs they will ask for separate country..Recommend

  • SKChadha
    Dec 2, 2010 - 7:45PM

    ET is also censuring the cable contents ….. read xxxxxxxx between the lines …… ???Recommend

  • Ronit
    Dec 2, 2010 - 7:45PM

    @sharjeel khan

    What are you saying, they have already reached Delhi, we are all panicking and are leaving India to live in Pakistan…the best country in the world, where nobody can touch us…by the time i will stop writing India will become a maoist country…you are so intelligent to predict that…big thank you from One Pakistani to other(i m leaving maoist India to live in Pakistan(the best country in the world))Recommend

  • G.Khan
    Dec 2, 2010 - 8:02PM

    No evidence is required to prove India as a terrorist nation. 1971 funding of Mukti Bahni, and intervention and invasion is a open proof of STATE Terrorism. With what face manmohan Singh declared Pakistan terrorist? A State terrorist nation has no right to declare anything. Let’s put this straight. Now what they did in 1971 they are doing the same in Balochistan. After all they are using this experience from Bangladesh. Indians did it when Soviet Union was in Afghanistan and they are doing it again. Pakistan Govt. is weak. Else there must be a guy who can make India sure that if they repeated the same Act of Terror what they did in 1971, Then they must absolutely be sure that unconventional warfare will be the only option Pakistan will left to use. And Pakistan should use it if they try that. At least they get the taste of such adventurism once for all. Recommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Dec 2, 2010 - 8:26PM

    @ G Khan
    Get facts right – It was the massacre of over 1 MILLION Bengalis by Pak that led to the creation of Bangladesh. This was even after the Bengalis won more seats in your parliament than the Punjabis! It is Pak which has used Terror as an instrument against its own people! Then Bengalis, now Balochis! India had to step in to stop the inflow of refugees into the India – people fleeing their own nation against atrocities perpetuated on them by their own govt! dont blame India for your doings! It is the Pak psyche that you cannot over come the bloody nose that you have been repeatedly getting and pursue adventurism at the cost of your own people, and it has become a habit. The conspiracy theories that you throw up about India is a figment of imagination that even kids will laugh at. Get over the fact that India has accepted partition and so should you. Your constant dream of dividing India is going up as a pipe dream by the day. With the current state of affairs in Pak ( a Bankrupt govt, next to zero development for the people and jihadi fixations), anarchy is being invited! Get real and attend to those affected by the consequences of recent floods. Recommend

  • SJ
    Dec 2, 2010 - 9:05PM

    You reap what you sow. What do you say, Pakistan, US ….soon China?Recommend

  • hamza khan
    Dec 2, 2010 - 9:18PM

    @Subbu Jois

    i love how self righteous indians become when it comes to 1971. the reality is that there really was no massacre of 1 million bengalis. these numbers are way overexaggerated, and a bengali historian (sarmila bose) has proven that the concept of mass rape is an indian and bengali fantasy. i advise indians like yourself to keep to yourself and fix your own probelems (massive corruption, massive poverty, and illiteracy) before you worry about pakistan. your own hindu fundamentalists are a bigger threat to you than pakistan and its ‘jihadi’s will ever be. Recommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Dec 2, 2010 - 9:36PM

    @Hamza Khan
    It is not India, but the Bangaldesh govt accusing Pak of the atrocities and demanding compensation. Answer them. Would they be doing so in the international arena if it were untrue? One more story of denial !
    Yes, we have the problems you mentioned and we are solving it, our way. At least in India, people have asay in the govt and we can boot out the corrupt. We have fringe fundamentalists who can be regined in, and who took up cudgels because of govt inaction. And we are not in denial!
    However, we are not branded as the “Epicenter of Terror” by the rest of the world. Ask your masters, the US and they will tell you the same! Pak’s history of denial is to the point denying its own history before independence! How crass can you get when you deny your own history!

    Again, I repeat – WAKE UP AND GET REAL!Recommend

  • TJ
    Dec 2, 2010 - 9:53PM

    Most of the people who have been commenting on this page fundamentally do not understand what is happening in this instance of foreign aid (India, Russia, UAE) to a militant group – the BLA. This is incredibly commonplace for enemy countries to fund the enemy’s enemy. Do not be fooled, Russia, UAE and (of course) India are all enemies of Pakistan.

    The reason Putin has stated Pakistan is an ally is because every country in that region that has something to lose (once again, India, Russia and UAE) are afraid of Pakistan – the only country in the world with nuclear power that has absolutely nothing to lose. Pakistan has little to no economic future and I think everyone can agree on that. Countries don’t consider India, Russia or even China a major threat as all of those countries are on the rise and actually do have something to lose by doing something foolish like launching a WMD.

    I need to point out one fundamental difference in Pakistan’s terrorist activities versus what India, the US and other countries commonly do. Pakistan’s government (inclusive of military) is the single largest terrorist network in the world because they orchestrate attacks, as seen on 26/11. When India, Russia and UAE fund BLA, they are not actively playing a role in terrorism. They are simply funding the enemy’s enemy. I’m not saying it’s ethical or right but India is not a terrorist organization, it is a forward-thinking progressive democratic society on the right path to prosperity while Pakistan is a war-mongering terrorist network that puts more stock into declaring fatwas and death than its own people and economy.Recommend

  • Justice
    Dec 2, 2010 - 10:01PM

    I don’t care who is doing what,what is surprising me is express tribune was launched not even 5 months ago and it has much better response not only from pakistan but from indians too.Great going.
    And you guys stop biting each other your (indians and pakis)monkey jumping will change nothing .Just sit back read the paper and shut up…dont ask dont answer.Man sitting next you is either ISI or Raw agent if not both then mossad .watch out……. Recommend

  • Khurram
    Dec 2, 2010 - 10:19PM

    If India is involved in the Baloch Insurgency, I think it is a blow-back of our own actions not only in Indian Kashmir where most of our mujahideens are sent but throughout India. The whole world knows what took place in Mumbai (November 2008) and who was behind it. I think it is the high time our leaders swallow the bitter pill and recognize the line of control as a permanent border and move on to settle the ugly divides within.Recommend

  • Dec 2, 2010 - 10:28PM

    @ Kamal,
    I agree about the comments from you regarding Balochs and Bangladesh and keeing in mind Bangladesh we don’t want to do the same mistake again. What the religious fanaitcs did to this country, dhoulsn’t be allowed to happen again and we need to be brave enough to ask Bangladeshes for forgivness, for the mistakes infect brutalities the Jamat-e-Islami did to them with the help of their like minded in the establishment. Recommend

  • Taimur
    Dec 2, 2010 - 10:31PM

    Russia was always accused. The only new country is the UAE.

    The truth of the matter is that the Pakistani establishment/government is screwing over Balochistan. These 3 countries are just exploiting them. They all have diffirent motives but their main goal is the same, to destabalize Balochistan and Pakistan. They don’t care about the people of Balochistan. They would enslave all of them if it was upto them.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Dec 2, 2010 - 10:32PM

    k… you are all,(pak) always having in mind about india as nagative pole.. but just think about ur growth as well india!!!!!!!!!!!! just shut and do somthing for ur nation..Recommend

  • Sobriquet
    Dec 2, 2010 - 10:34PM

    If the Balochi want independence then Pakistan should give it to them. After all, Pakistan is trying its best to enable Kashmiri Muslims get their ‘independence’, so why this duplicity in the case of Baluchistan?.Recommend

  • Ali baba
    Dec 2, 2010 - 10:46PM

    dear sir your news report is also true ,you know pakistan sutuation resposible only pakistani agency’sRecommend

  • usman
    Dec 2, 2010 - 11:22PM

    we just have to make pakistan strong and choose right leadership who is sinsere to pakRecommend

  • Anoop
    Dec 2, 2010 - 11:22PM

    This is rubbish talk. The headline suggest that India supporting BLA is US assessment which clearly is not. It is just a cable what Pasha said and didn’t say.Recommend

  • usman
    Dec 2, 2010 - 11:23PM

    thanks to wikipwdia Recommend

  • Farhan
    Dec 3, 2010 - 12:30AM

    This is what pasha said lol…duh !! nice journalism…read the whole cable from their main website :) this cannot be even considered as an evidence…its like me saying …i went to pluto :) now wikileaks will say farhan said he went to pluto…now u guys will start believing …cmon grow up…Recommend

  • Dec 3, 2010 - 12:47AM

    The American Ambassador was right there. If she believed it, she would have briefed America no? Which cable (or otherwise) tells of any actual evidence at all?

    The insurgencies in India is an ISI production, so when the ISI sees an insurgency, it either believes India did it, or thinks it might be believable to say that. No more, no less.Recommend

  • Madih Kayani
    Dec 3, 2010 - 1:41AM

    hello everyone… lets be honest dear friends that we cant clap with one hand..but if india says that Pakistan is a terrorist state then what is this whole ongoing drama in afghanistan???? its not the time to step into another blame game…Recommend

  • Dec 3, 2010 - 2:02AM

    so i think conspiracy is proved truth now Recommend

  • Waris
    Dec 3, 2010 - 2:46AM

    Is this the real face of up coming 6th (INDIA) Perminent Member of UNO.?
    Do India is really eligible for Perminent Membership of UNO?
    THINK AGAIN WORLD.Recommend

  • Dec 3, 2010 - 2:55AM

    this is not something new. this is OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD truth. One day we will all know that saudia arabia is totally involved in bombing in pakistan.Recommend

  • Umair
    Dec 3, 2010 - 4:03AM

    Ah its such a revelation, what else would the head of the chief spy agency say. While, we can neither deny or affirm Indian involvement in Balochistan, we can be sure that Indian agencies are as much involved in the Baloch insurgency their Pakistani counterparts are in various insurgencies inside India. That should not be a point of contention for us mere mortals (quoting Mr Kamran Shafi oft used phrase), spy agencies are meant to do this, creating troubles and capitalising on the weaknesses of their opponents. But we can, by denouncing warped notions of nationalism fed to us by the guardians of our borders, try and create unity among ourselves and pressure the security establishments submit themselves to the will of the people rather than dictating their will to the people. Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Dec 3, 2010 - 4:34AM

    We all noe dat India ought 2 do evrything in it’s power to wreak havoc on Pakistan. Wat i dun get is, y haven’t dey mentioned Israel?
    nyways, as far as da baloch matter, it wld b bad for both Balochistan n Pakistan if they seperate. Bad times are coming and Pakistan needs 2 gather all the force it can 2 face Opposition.Recommend

  • Chirag
    Dec 3, 2010 - 6:05AM

    “WikiLeaks: India, Russia, UAE supporting Baloch insurgency”
    Highly misleading title. It seems to suggest that the information came from the wikileaks to make it sound more glamorous and catch people’s attention so they read it. Make no conclusions from this article. Irresponsible journalism. Recommend

  • Chirag
    Dec 3, 2010 - 6:08AM

    Correction: by saying “WikiLeaks: India, Russia, UAE supporting Baloch insurgency”, it seems to suggest that the information is coming from US sources.Recommend

  • BENHUR
    Dec 3, 2010 - 9:45AM

    @Khurram : Well Said, whatever you have suggested is the most practical and least painful option available today, The risk of waiting it out or procrastination is whatever is on the table today may not be there forever !!!
    Having said that I dont condone India’s actions, if indeed it is involved in the Baloch Insurgency. The fact of the matter is, whoever is the decision making process today has to realize that one does not live for more than 60 – 75 years, but they end up preparing defense strategies for the next 500 yearsRecommend

  • Tony Singh
    Dec 3, 2010 - 11:05AM

    Editors – Thanks for the change in headlines, seems more appropriate
    To my fellow Pakistani commentators : All the article says is General Pasha of ISI “believes so”. That he has been since he joined ISI. After all they have been conditioned to say that everything wrong in Pakistan is India’s doing. Does that constitute a “proof”?
    Recommend

  • vasan
    Dec 3, 2010 - 11:10AM

    I do not know why all Pakistani bloggers are going mad at India for a statement by their own Intelligence Chief. There is no basis no proof and no evidence. Inspite of such big noises Pakistan is not able to give any evidence. Anyway, if bloggers want to keep blaming India for each and every statement of Pakistani Army and ISI chiefs and spokespersons, the entire life span will not be enough. After all Pakistan is based on the only surmise “Not India”. Isnt it??Recommend

  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    Dec 3, 2010 - 12:14PM

    I agree with that India, Russia and UAE are involved in Balochistan but may be WIKILEAKS deliberately omitted USA. Anyway why is our government so weak that despite having proofs of the involvement why haven’t they raised the issue with UNO or on any other international forum. Or is it just like the approval given to USA & NATO that you keep on using drones in Pakistan & we will look the other way, similarly Zardari & Co have given their yes to these powers to keep on disturbing & destabilizing Balochistan???? Recommend

  • amir
    Dec 3, 2010 - 3:38PM

    india is involved not only terrorism in Pakistan but also bangladesh and sirilanka and supporting tamil tigers….Recommend

  • Salman
    Dec 3, 2010 - 6:38PM

    What did we do when this happened? nothing, except forget about it and preach to the rest of the world

    http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.htmlRecommend

  • Zia Khan
    Dec 3, 2010 - 6:48PM

    well freinds.. its quite clear that Musharaff,s eight years regime has brought back pakistan worst then ever.

    the issue of balochistan have become worst after the assasination of Bughti. Musharaf took it personal and ordered the forces to kill bughti.

    Its a History of the balochi,s that they never surrender. they will fight till the last man standing.

    if the executive of the country did not take positive steps for solving the balochistan crisis, the insugency will reach to extreme and the baloach nation will never forgive the forces ever in history.

    enoguh is enough.. i am offering a solution, someone may took it into his/her consideration and move forward.

    balochi,s wants the trial of parvez musharraf. just because of one man, dont loose the one complete province. arrest musharraf and satisfy the rest of the balochis demands and bring them down from the mountains to their home land and starts a process of development in the province and make it a global trade station.

    Thanx!Recommend

  • sher baz khan
    Dec 3, 2010 - 7:11PM

    Neither india nor russia and UAE is involved in balochistan insurgency. we will clear all these things from our country through khilafat system and PAKISTAN will rule the world ishallahRecommend

  • mehreen
    Dec 3, 2010 - 7:53PM

    i wonder in the whole wiki leaks y there is not a single statment from america y all the secrets r being leaked from asian n middle east world . now wat is new plan from america.im not saying india n russhia is not invloved but yes america is too involved as well after all where there are natural resources america is there to grab them by the way that all r happening in pakistan just because inside the pakistan many black sheeps r too involved.Recommend

  • Dec 3, 2010 - 8:59PM

    actually its burkina faso, chad, mongolia, panama and eritrea who are involved in baloch insurgency.Recommend

  • Bismah
    Dec 3, 2010 - 10:29PM

    Not sure about UAE, but Russia and India sure are involved. India is having more than 80 terror outfits operational inside its own territory and is near end. Recommend

  • khan
    Dec 3, 2010 - 10:53PM

    We have hearing been this regurgitated ‘press statement’ for a number years. The only difference is that Russia has now been added to the list of the ‘usual suspects’. Pakistani establishment has been sheltering the likes of Daoud Ibrahim off and on for over a decade. In all likelihood Afghanistan – as confirmed by US diplomatic cables via Wikileaks – has been providing refuge to Brahamdagh Bugti. That is just a part of the sordid ‘game’ that is played by the rival agencies of South Asia Subcontinent. So, what else is new?

    I am still waiting for proof of Indian (and now Russian) involvement in Balochistan. Continually sprouting Goebelsian verbiage may convince the more gullible among us, but mere words will never suffice over the long term. Where this the evidence that we have been hearing about for the past three years? A year or so ago even Hilary Clinton commented that the US was still awaiting evidence of these allegations. Until some sort of genuine evidence is produced, this charge of Indian involvement in Balochistan will remain just another allegation, among the hundreds that have been exchanged over the years across the ‘Wagah Border’ between the two rival governments.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Dec 3, 2010 - 10:58PM

    Thanks god the title which wrongly suggested the US thinks India is behind BLA is removed. Well done. To all those who ranted, this must be a shock.Recommend

  • talha
    Dec 4, 2010 - 12:37AM

    India will get soon and huge response from Pakistan after withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan. Recommend

  • Sobriquet
    Dec 4, 2010 - 1:14AM

    If Pakistan has such a high ‘priority’ for the freedom of the Kashmiris, it should start at home by giving the Balochis the freedom they demand. Recommend

  • Prithviraj Singh Rana
    Dec 4, 2010 - 3:15AM

    Balle Balle!
    Here’s a solution for all the mess! Allow Balochistan to be an independent nation part of SAARC. Merge Punjab, Sindh and POK with Bharat. Let the sindhis, punjabis and kashmiris of all religious denominations unite!! Let us have a united subcontinent.Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Dec 4, 2010 - 3:22AM

    @talha: “India will get soon and huge response from Pakistan after withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan.”

    Talha: I would worry more about the scenario in Pakistan after NATO withdraws from Afghanistan. Just pray, for your own good that NATO is able to stamp out militancy before leaving.Afghanistan.Recommend

  • Saeed Ansari
    Dec 4, 2010 - 3:43AM

    India is on the brink of destruction due to a dozen freedom movements inside India and they tell us which state to give freedom within our borders. Recommend

  • Ben
    Dec 4, 2010 - 11:34PM

    I think Pakistan was banking on a wrong factor in this calculation. Destabilization of Balochistan is a part of the New Great Game which has started on the shores of Makran. There is irrefutable evidence that India with support from CIA is arming and aiding Balochistan insurgents presently hiding in Afghanistan. Jundullah, an anti-Shia militant group is serving US interests both in Pakistani and Iranian Balochistan. The scale of insurgency in Balochistan is much higher than that of FATA. Balochistan has become a playground for Great Game players for two simple reasons: it has huge mineral resources including precious metal and fossil fuel, and it provides shortest trade route from Gwadar Deep Sea Port to Afghanistan and Central Asian States. This trade route, if developed, can affect commercial prospects of Chabahar port in which India has direct commercial and strategic interests. Read more at: link textRecommend

  • Ali Farooqui
    Dec 5, 2010 - 6:24PM

    @ Singh:

    Balle Balle .. how about this for a solution merge IOK and the rest of India into Pakistan lets have a united subcontinent! no need to cry about it. tit for tat! Pakistan need to stabilise itself first then repay the vultures in kind, help naxalites this timeRecommend

  • Sardar Alam Khan
    Dec 5, 2010 - 10:30PM

    Well Pasha, don’t let these conspiracies succeed.Recommend

  • M Gohar
    Dec 6, 2010 - 4:14PM

    There could not have been a greater shock for me to learn that UAE is conspiring with India against Pakistan. It definitely leaves me speechless!Recommend

  • SJ
    Dec 6, 2010 - 7:17PM

    @ All

    Dear All, don’t you think it is time to realise what is happening to Pakistan?

    Your friends (US, China and Middle Eatsren states) are your good weather friends. As soon as your use is over they will throw you away like a used toliet paper.

    How come everyone is screwing Pakistan? the naswer is simple because you put yourself in such a vulnerable situation due to the fact that you are blinded by your own madness, hypocracy and lack of understanding of what/who is good for you or bad.

    And your real enemies are not India or US or anyone else but your own thinking; your own hate based edifice of your country, lack of open education, extremist religeous views and your corrupt politician & military leaders.

    Just think and ask yourself some basic questions and you might find better answers then I dare to suggest below.

    Have you ever thought why is China helping you? For betterment of Pakistan?
    No sir, they want to use Pak as a corridor to Central Asia and to fight their own war via Pak with India. And to have their own military port near Karachi. As a result., who is suffering today? China? No sir, it is Pak.

    Why is US helping you? to help Pak? for betterment of Pak?
    No sir, they want Pak to fight their war with Taliban.

    Why is the Middle East countries trying to break-up lending a helping hand to others to break Pak eventhough they are all Islamic countries?
    Because they find you irresponsible and a threat.

    Why is nearly the entire world hate Pak and think Pak is a birth place of all terrorist activity in the world?
    Because it is the truth. Pak leaders have takena totally wrong path and its people are paying the price.

    Why is Pak in such a mess and India prospering?
    Because you have concentrated on destroying India while Indians have concentrated on progress.

    Does India want to occupy Pak?
    No way, who would want such a messed-up country. India has got its own problem to resolve.

    So guys, think. Rationally. That is perhaps the only thing which will save you.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Dec 11, 2010 - 8:09PM

    i m Indian Hindu and strongly believe what maharishi chankya said that a cunning person should be dealt cunningly. if you are supporting Kashmiri separatist. if you are supporting indian extremist muslim which is only tiny minority of all our indian muslim brothers then we have all right to hit you
    at your weak points. stop your destructive activity of your first then expect from us the same. as for as bangladesh is concerned its your folly if you have given mujib to be the prime minister of your country then pakistan would be strongest nation. if you followed your father of nation you would be strongest nation of the world. if you would not have driven hindu sindhi’s from your land you would be strongest nation of the world. be friend india and be strong. take support of us at this time of crisis and when you would become strong you can support us. we are brothers after all. Recommend

  • sandeep limaye
    Dec 11, 2010 - 8:19PM

    dear friends and estrange brother of Pakistan
    i m Indian Hindu and i believe you should not lament if India is supporting baloch
    you also supported khalistani elements earlier. tit for tat. as for as taking revenge for Bangladesh
    you must take your revenge to your army. if they had let Mujib become prime minister of your country your nation would be strongest nation in Asia better than India. after all we made manmohan singh our prime minister and he is working better than previous ones. if you let Hindu sindhis remain there in pakistan you would be rich nation. in Indore in mp holkar maharajah put his pugri in front of Indian Muslims who were planning to go to Pakistan at the time of partition and stopped them to go to Pakistan. now you are doing same to ahmedias rethink your strategy of hatred take help of India to grow and when you would become stronger in future help us if we will be in trouble.Recommend

  • Bizenjo Baloch
    Jan 16, 2011 - 4:25AM

    I completely reject this so called report of foreign hands involved in Balochistan.The insurgency in Balochistan is operating on a low scale i.e just by the funds and supports of some tribal Mir,Sardars and local people becz they r now sick of ISI and Pak army.Pakistani media is not hi-lighting any thing for example the ongoing killings of Baloch youth and the abduction by so called Pak Forces and then later receiving their tortured and bullet-riddled bodies.
    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/pakistan-urged-investigate-murder-and-torture-baloch-activists-2010-10-26
    Do check this amnesty international’s report as well.
    don’t think that m an anti-Pakistani or sumthing but this natural that if u were being ignored since past 60 years u will definitely starts to think the alternatives and so our annoyed Baloch brothers are thinking who have retreated to mountains to wage a guerrilla war. Most of the people in BLA or other Groups are the sons,brothers or relatives of these tortured and abducted persons.
    Take the example of Doctor Allah Nazar,38 He is heading BLF in makran district of Balochistan does any1 knows his history???Kindly search his biography in google He was a member of student org when security forces abducted him and tortured him and now he is waging a war against the state .. There are many more examples like of Dr Allah Nazar’s in Balochistan.
    If Government of Pakistan has any evidence regarding foreign elements i request them on behalf of Baloch people to kindly bring them fwd to the people and to UN as well.
    This blame game is not new and the time is moving faster towards the POINT OF NO RETURN so i beg the people of Pakistan to stop calling us traitors and raise ur voice for us as this is the only way to see Pakistan in foreseeable future….Recommend

  • Jan 16, 2011 - 8:21PM

    @Bizenjo Baloch: I respect your arguments and definitely Pakistan has raised the basis for all these things. I would like you to join the page, “I am a responsible and civilized citizen of Pakistan” on facebook. Link is http://www.facebook.com/IAARACCOP. The page intends to generate diverse point of views.Recommend

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