Worship place: It no longer resembles a mosque

Published: May 5, 2012

A hoarding is installed behind the chhatri (flattened dome) at the entrance, so that the worship place does not look like a mosque. PHOTO: EXPRESS TRIBUNE

LAHORE: 

Two days after being told by Misri Shah police to ‘cover up’ architectural elements that made an Ahmedi worship place resemble a mosque, the administration has installed a hoarding behind the chhatri (flattened dome) at the entrance.

Two people had filed an application with the police, requesting that they register an FIR against the Ahmedis under the blasphemy laws – 298-C and 295-B of the Pakistan Penal Code – “for depicting themselves as Muslims”.

The police on Wednesday had removed some tiles with the Kalma and Quranic verses from the building entrance. They had planned on tearing down the flattened dome as well but agreed to give Baitul Hamd administration a couple of days to ensure that any resemblance to a mosque was removed.

Fazal Ahmed, a member of the administration committee, told The Express Tribune that though they had tried their best to make sure that the worship place’s entrance does not look like that of a mosque, it remained to be seen if the complainants and the police would be satisfied. “They might still object and demand that the flattened dome be removed altogether.”

According to Ahmed, the police were expected to visit the site on Friday night.

The administrator remarked that the tiles carrying Quranic verses had been shattered into pieces while being removed. It is strange, he said, that the complainants had not objected to the “desecration of the holy words”. “They were scared,” said Ahmed, “we picked up the broken tiles and have saved them to preserve their sanctity.”

He said that while neighbours had not created a problem for them, they hadn’t stood up for them either.

Malik Yasin, a Sultanpura resident who one of the negotiators, said they had tried their best to ensure that there was no confrontation between the complainant and their Ahmedi neighbours.

Misri Shah SHO Mudassirullah Khan told The Express Tribune that he would visit the site on Friday night or Saturday morning. He described the visit as a “formality”. “The issue has been resolved,” he said.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 5th, 2012.

You can read part 1 of this report here.

Reader Comments (98)

  • Z.Khan
    May 5, 2012 - 1:04AM

    Educated majority of Pakistan will take it as an illogical act both from human right as well religious freedom view point. Truly speaking beauty of worship place lies in hearts of those who go and worship their creator in such places and not on the outer sketches or designs of buildings. Ahmadiyya Community since its inception has been designing its worship places in such designs and it is still continuing through out the world. Exception to Pakistan is not understood. Even whole religious history can not present such example where some religious group is ever forced to change the design of its worship place or to hide certain part of the worship place. Probably Pakistan is writing a unique history and no one knows how the future historians will call these insane acts of small extremist segment of the Pakistani Society.

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  • AllahRukha
    May 5, 2012 - 2:15AM

    the tiles carrying Quranic verses had been shattered into pieces while being removed.

    Is this acceptable to the self-proclaiming sons of Islam? I don’t think that Muhammad (S.A.W) stopped any one from reciting or displaying Kalima or saying Salaam, Bismillah.

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  • Lone Star
    May 5, 2012 - 3:21AM

    Anti-Mosques people are you happy now? One less mosque in this Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Inna Lillahe Wa Inna Elehe Raje’oon.

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  • Maryam
    May 5, 2012 - 4:41AM

    Well, it SHOULD NOT resemble a mosque!!

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  • 1984
    May 5, 2012 - 7:08AM

    *The administrator remarked that the tiles carrying Quranic verses had been shattered into pieces *

    I find this strange….Whenever,someone criticizes Islam over internet forums…I find many muslims commenting “Please read the Quran first,Its not only for muslims,its for entire humanity”

    Frankly,I cannot understand this hypocrisy….Why these people are so happy when a hindu girl read Quran and turned into Islam,but not a Ahmadi whose practices is closer to Islam than any other religion

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  • Umer
    May 5, 2012 - 7:56AM

    @Maryam:

    Well, it SHOULD NOT resemble a
    mosque!!

    What is resemblance with a mosque? Is there a set design for a mosque that someone has a copyright over? Recommend

  • Sabahat
    May 5, 2012 - 9:39AM

    “we picked up the broken tiles and have saved them to preserve their sanctity.”
    so why dont the police register a blasphemy case under 295 B/C for this destruction of Kalima and Allah’s names? Blasphemy Law is only against Ahmadis?
    i’m a proud Pakistani, but shame on you pakistan where name of Allah and Kalima is destroyed to make Mullah happy.
    Another sad point in pakistan’s history.
    and those who keep on saying that Kalima is never erased or removed from Ahmadi mosques by state, they should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIA4LM0-1QE and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPi7DOhXG0 and see how Ahmadis wept from their hearts on this act of brutality and shamelessness.

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  • Z.Khan
    May 5, 2012 - 9:44AM

    @Maryam:
    Then how should it look like? Prior to 1974, the community members used to be taken as Muslims for all legal and constitutional purposes. Afterwards, due to reasons well known to religious clergy or political elite, community was declared as non Muslim for legal and constitutional purposes. General Zia went further and strangulated all the rights of community by enacting an Ordinance in 1984. Community does not have any new holy book to recite. No new way of worship. No new way of fasting. No new way of celebrating Eid etc. No new design for the worship place. You will agree that every building constructed for a specific purpose carries a design. Grave yard should look like graveyard. Hotel should present a different picture. Educational institutions are made with different designs so is the requirement for worship place. If worship place of Ahmadiyya Community should not give a look of mosque then which look should it give? Can you propose some design for it— Maryam!

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  • Mujahid
    May 5, 2012 - 10:11AM

    I appreciate the bravery of the writer, Rana Tanveer for raising the voice against the persecution of Ahmadis in religion, education and blasphemy allegations.. Excellent work

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  • Nasir Ahmad
    May 5, 2012 - 10:52AM

    I always think that whoever is holding a kalma why so called Muslims have the courage to remove that? see that so called ‘Protector of Islam’ removing the kalma from the walls of other sect who are preaching their Allah Only. Have they got license from Allah Almighty to decide about other relegions?

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  • Pk_paris
    May 5, 2012 - 11:28AM

    Mosque = 6 letters. Quran = 5 letters
    Church = 6 letters. Bible = 5 letters
    Temple = 6 letters. Geeta = 5 letters

    All faith teach 6-5=1 only one thing I.e. all are same and there is only one GOD. Love yourself and love others. Respect your faith but also respect others because it is same…

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  • SAMINA
    May 5, 2012 - 11:30AM

    @Maryam:
    WHY NOT??? Seriously, is this an issue?

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  • striver of progress in pk
    May 5, 2012 - 11:37AM

    As Ahmadis are non muslims so they should be forced to avoid disguising as Muslims. A great step

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  • May 5, 2012 - 11:40AM

    Ahmadies have been declared as Non-Muslims as per unanimous resolution passed by the National Assembly years ago.

    They should either live as non-Muslims as the other non-Muslims live in Pakistan without disturbing peace and harmony.

    If they are not comfortable they are free to migrate elsewhere.

    Regards

    Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

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  • Sadaf
    May 5, 2012 - 11:51AM

    Agreed one may not consider them Muslims, but do we remember Abu Jahal and his cronies. They used to do the same thing with Muslims. Stopping them from prayers!!. Let Ahmedies have their right to live and pray. It seems as these molvis want to take back their right to breath also

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  • hawk
    May 5, 2012 - 11:55AM

    This exactly we have been doing with other religion, what the Germans did with Jews. Does Islam put nail on some ones worship places?? the answer is NO. These Mullahs and illiterate scholars of Islam dont want peace and harmony that our religion Islam has been promoting.

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  • hawk
    May 5, 2012 - 12:13PM

    @ Dr.Saleem:
    There are so many short sighted laws passed by so called assemblies of military dictators. there is no need to disclose the countless attempts that have been in our society by these mullahs. why don’t we open our eyes. why don’t we quit appetite for revenge.Recommend

  • Umirza
    May 5, 2012 - 12:14PM

    So, another victory by the so called sons of Islam or Mujahideen-e-Islam, or whatever they call themselves.I doubt if the complainants will not win any seat in the upcoming election after doing such great deed and Khidmat-e-Islam.

    Well dears, it’s not the first time that Kalima or Quranic verses be erased from Ahmadiyya Worship places. I remember one, that was of Baitu-ul Hamd, murree road Rawalpindi and then it was Eidgah in Satellite town, again in Rawalpindi.The most teasing scenes are when they throw the verses or kalima on ground or even in gutters flowing below. How can they do this? Well someone replied me once that the carving of Kalima and other verses on Ahmadiyya buildings is same as painting them in a toilet(Naooz-Billah) so it doesn’t have any respect. Please someone help me understand this argument.

    As far as it’s shape is concerned, there is no Guaranteed shape of a Masjid, if domes are concerned, they were developed in the early history of mankind, oldest houses were built dome shaped.Churches have more domes than Masjid around the world.And Christianity, of course is much older than Islam, so if today Christianity claims that all domes of Masjids should be demolished because it is the property of Church, then please do tell me your answer.

    @Maryam: “Well, It should not resemble a mosque.”

    Please do tell me the alternate and also explain me the exact architect of a mosque , if you have one, but with references and it should be stated in Quran or Hadith. I will be highly obliged.

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  • TZ
    May 5, 2012 - 12:31PM

    Sad News ! after so much has happened to our society and country, we have not learn lesson and still have engaged our selves into small things where we are not tolerating any other sect / group. This is why WORLD now know us as EXTREEEEEMIST.

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  • Ehtisham ashai
    May 5, 2012 - 12:52PM

    Jinnah would be really proud today. The Ahmedis, the Christians, all non Sunnis should have stayed in India. Who wants to live in Pakistan where the Sunnis have taken over like a cancer. I apologize to the minorities. This too shall pass…

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  • May 5, 2012 - 12:58PM

    Removing the Kalima Tayyaba is not a blasphmy itself? Are these ,so called religious fanatics and hate pollutors, not following the footprints of Khuffar i Mecca? Are these the real issues of Pakistan? Its true that insanity has no limits but this insanity is beyond the limits. Plz for God sake be sensible. Pakistan needs harmony, peace and love within the masses of different communities living in this beautiful homeland. All those who are creating unrest by doing such acts are DEFAMING PAKISTAN IN THE GLOBAL VILLAGE. Is there anyone in the goverment intelligentia who can stop such nonsence?

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  • Sabih Zafar Ullah
    May 5, 2012 - 1:14PM

    @Saleem Siddiqi: When the French ban the burqa, people like you become cry babies and champions of human rights. What do you think about THAT law? Shouldn’t Muslims migrate else where instead of protesting the Burqa ban?

    And what exactly do you mean by “Live as non-Muslims”, do you mean they shouldn’t; bomb innocent people, shouldn’t kill others because of their faith, shouldn’t preach hate? Then let me tell you, they already do that. They don’t live like so-called Muslims like you.

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  • Raw is War
    May 5, 2012 - 1:24PM

    @ Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

    we have really great doctors in pakistan. pakistan’s situation can be tied to people like you.

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  • Change
    May 5, 2012 - 1:25PM

    @Dr.Saleem Siddiqui
    Declared as Non-Muslims by National Assembly.
    Is The National Assembly the exalted and ultimate authority in Islam?
    Why don’t we research, understand, think and then decide ourselves whether Ahmedis are
    Non-Muslims or not.
    How many of us really know about the reason for all this dispute between Ahmedis and other sects of muslim community? We only communicate what we are told or what we hear around us
    How does the community itself clarifies when they are not even allowed to talk about their belief with anyone
    How easily we call them Non-Muslims. How many of us are true momins here?
    I pray Allah help us in taking out the time to understand and then decide for ourselves instead of just repeating what ‘our National Assembly told us to do.’

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  • Qew
    May 5, 2012 - 1:29PM

    @Nasr:
    There’s a ‘government intelligentia?’ Hahahahahahah. Manic laughter, followed by defeated shrug.

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  • nirmal maunder
    May 5, 2012 - 1:39PM

    Pakistan does not realize that it is making a mockery before the whole world. of itself by presenting itself as a theocracy.of a very backward type.Entire world is moving forward to a scientific age & it is silly & childish issues of mullas to which pakistan is focussed on.Pakistan wants FDI & be a respected nation.Is it the way to go about it?

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  • wahab
    May 5, 2012 - 1:39PM

    Legacy of Zia remains!! Will i be killed if i speak for rights of these people? or called a betrayer to Islam? Certainly Yes!!

    No journalist has the courage to do a program for their rights, no one can speak..such is the power and terror of these religious fanatics

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  • Ramin Baloch
    May 5, 2012 - 1:42PM

    Religion is opium.

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  • Z.Khan
    May 5, 2012 - 1:45PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:
    What a logic! Having majority gave you right to decide on this issue. OK. The peaceful community accepted it and started writing “AHMADIYYA” as its religion. Now what else the majority wants. You can call a camel as donkey, as the “Might is Right” empowers you to say so. But how will you force the camel to behave like donkey? He is camel and has to stay as such. Why this simple logic is not understood by an educated man like you are. Since its inception community is practicing and following rituals of Islam in spite of some difference in theological interpretation. Many factions of Islam have such theological difference with each other. No one should demand from a human being his/her right to exist as human being. The community can not build Church, Temple or any other worship place. Community can not recite Bible, Torah or Gee ta as its Holy book. It has to construct mosque for worship and has to recite Holy Quran as both things manifested in the basic beliefs of the community. Can you come up with some logical and alternate suggestions what Ahmadiyya community should do. Migration to other country is not a good solution as no country will be ready to accept millions of refugees. Or do you have some country in mind which can accept this community in mass.

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  • JainBhai
    May 5, 2012 - 2:01PM

    I grew up in northern India, and my parents belong to a very small minority religion (I am agnostic like most of my generation), but I have no shame in expressing that a lot of temples in the North architecturally look like mosques, bar the crescent. Generally the circular dome shape was adopted as the default shape for a lot of temples ands gurudwaras. More recently new constructions with bigger budgets look like South Indian temples- the pyramid architecture- which was the more prevalent one before the Sultanate.

    And so I find it appalling when I saw that even the dome had to be modified to suit the Islamic Republic’s standards. I don’t reside in India, and am certainly no nationalist, but I have to confess that I often read Pakistani news for the LOLs. Brothers! revolt, protest, elect, but please put your country back on track. This madness would do no good for our subcontinent.

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  • Pashtun voice
    May 5, 2012 - 2:05PM

    This whole episode is sickening

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  • Kashan
    May 5, 2012 - 2:05PM

    May ALLAH guide them who are scratching the Kalima or Quranic verses. Sad indeed.

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  • azam
    May 5, 2012 - 2:20PM

    hay everyone see this what did Bulle Shah said about the extreme level of LOVE that must prevail among us. his message clearly tell us that we should never ever hurt others. as god live in heart. what happen if heart broke? will god die? what would you say…

    Tear down the Mosque, tear down the temple
    Tear down every thing in sight
    But don’t (tear down) break anyone’s heart
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  • Muhammad Yaqub
    May 5, 2012 - 2:29PM

    RabulAalameen is how God calls himself and RehmatulAlameen is how Hazrat Muhammad SAW is described.
    The intolerance of the Minority is not the issue. The problem is the SILENCE of the majority.
    I pity the so called muslims of Pakistan who do not have the Guts to stop the Beastly Mullahs from murdering their own people. How does anyone expect this dead nation to stand up for anything so minor as the looks of a building !!
    ‘Oh Justice thou art fled to Bearded Beasts and men have lost their reason’ !!
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  • dasmir
    May 5, 2012 - 2:32PM

    Ahmedis are a global muslim sect with right to pray in their mosque.In Islamic repiublic they may do what ever they want but Ahmedis are growing by the day as it is the actual face of Islam as Allah ordained it a religion of love and compassion and piety and charity.

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  • May 5, 2012 - 2:55PM

    You nailed it Z.Khan nothing more to say if the “educated” cant understand this simple logic. We can only lament at the gradual loss of the collective sanity of this nation the result of years of indoctrination by the Mullah of the masses.

    The sad part is that every aspect of society has turned extremist in some way or the other and they don’t even realise it. Seemingly rational and intelligent people when confronted with the Ahmadi issue turn into bigots and hatred seeps in. No doubt this is the result of not studying Islam and Quran for themselves and relying on the Mullah to provide interpretation.

    What people don’t realise is that these Mullah have nothing to do with Islam and are using it for political power and personal gains.

    We can only pray that some Pakistanis realise this and say no to extremism and any kind of persecution otherwise even if you don’t think that Allah will come to their help human history bares witness that whenever some are persecuted to the extreme the persecutors were wiped out by their own arrogance.

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  • Freedom Seeker
    May 5, 2012 - 3:20PM

    Its death of freedom in Pakistan. It does not matter if they are Muslim or not but as Pakistani they have full rights of religion practice and expression. As far as resemblance to Mosque, Islam doesn’t give us any building designs to follow for Mosque. Its pathetic thinking of short sighted and narrow minded Mullahs.

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  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    May 5, 2012 - 3:25PM

    @Maryam:
    well try to be more tolerant otherwise their will be more Osama Bin Ladens created in Pakistan and every one will keep distance from your kind of people as entire world will be against Islamic extremists. You should rather be happy thyat people are finding contents of Quran so valuable and sacred that they are writing them on their walls so be happy & not jealous & arrogant & avoid being an extremists because we are in 21rst century now and not in stone era.

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  • Shahbaz
    May 5, 2012 - 3:39PM

    Whoever does not believe in The Last Prophet Muhammad (S.A.A.W.W) is not a Muslim, It is not National Assembly who declared them Non-Muslim, It is Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad (S.A.A.W.W) who declare them as non-Muslims. I agree We should have respect for other Religions and Qadyanis, but ask Qadyanis If they Believe Prophet Muhammad (S.A.A.W.W) as last prophet then we are ready to accept them as Muslims. More ever they should live in Pakistan like other non-muslims and should not pretend to be Muslims.

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  • Zeeruck
    May 5, 2012 - 4:07PM

    @Maryam:
    A lot many persons in Pakistan are losing their similarities with human beings. May Allah help them realise that all men are accountable for their deeds.

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  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    May 5, 2012 - 4:30PM

    @ Pak_PaisMosque = 6 letters. Quran = 5 letters
    Church = 6 letters. Bible = 5 letters
    Temple = 6 letters. Geeta = 5 letters
    All faith teach 6-5=1 only one thing I.e. all are same and there is only one GOD. Love yourself and love others. Respect your faith but also respect others because it is same…

    Does your logic hold true only when you use English? Your 6-5=1 logic amounts to taking out the Holy books out of worship place and leaving the God alone and faithful running away with the book…. Highly illogical stuff…

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  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    May 5, 2012 - 4:33PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi Ahmadies have been declared as Non-Muslims as per unanimous resolution passed by the National Assembly years ago.
    They should either live as non-Muslims as the other non-Muslims live in Pakistan without disturbing peace and harmony.
    If they are not comfortable they are free to migrate elsewhere.
    Regards
    Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

    Wish you apply the same logic to Muslims who live as minorities in India and west. What a sick mentality…

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  • kilo
    May 5, 2012 - 4:44PM

    Many people in Pakistan perhaps do not know that Ahmedi’s are non muslims only in the land of the pure… every where else they are muslims!!

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  • Umer
    May 5, 2012 - 5:07PM

    This incident had exposed the true face of religious fascists very clearly and also the fact that a religious state would always be a failure as its purveyors have a stone age mentality. We must get to secular state as soon as possible before these religious fascists begin to run this country completely with their dark-age mindset.

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  • Sultan
    May 5, 2012 - 5:12PM

    @Maryam:
    The first mosques did not have domes or minarets. The mosque will look more like a mosque than it did before.

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  • Umer
    May 5, 2012 - 5:15PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

    If they are not comfortable they are
    free to migrate elsewhere.

    Kashmiris should leave India too and Palestinians should leave Israel if they are not comfortable there. Also Muslims in west if they have any issue with hijab or minaret ban they can leave too.

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  • dr fareeha
    May 5, 2012 - 5:32PM

    to kilo thats not true i lived in ksa n i know for a fact that ahmadis r not considered muslims there…infact they have to hide their identity otherwise the govt can expel them from the country..plus they r not allowed to visit the Holy cities!!

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  • major-ji
    May 5, 2012 - 5:43PM

    @dr fareeha:
    Is there any legal documention in KSA as in Pakistan?

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  • Vijay K
    May 5, 2012 - 6:06PM

    Emigrate back to India, my Ahmedi brothers and sisters. I will greet you with open arms. You will be free to worship as you like without fear in my country. Recommend

  • Iqbal
    May 5, 2012 - 6:56PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:
    Can I remind you and others what President Pervez Musharraf said of muslims in 2002:
    “Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race”
    By implication he acknowledged that Ahmedis were even higher in the ladder then people like you and me.
    You just need to google it and in France they call us the poor man’s religion where there is no tolerance towards other races. In UK and USA they refer to us as terrorists and I dont blame them for that.
    Do you honestly believe Pakistan in its present format will exist beyond 2020? If you do, then you have to go back to school.

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  • Sultan
    May 5, 2012 - 7:13PM

    @dr fareeha:
    There was a time when Deobandis and Wahabis were not allowed the Hajj by order of the Hashemite rulers of the Hejaz. Political whims do not determined the validity or not of one’s faith.

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  • Farhan Kermani
    May 5, 2012 - 7:15PM

    I really wish someone burn these mullahs alive and their followers, seems like we cant get out of the dark ages of inquisitions.

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  • Uza Syed
    May 5, 2012 - 7:18PM

    What a crazy thing to do—-a majourity of idiots sitting in a parliament any parliament take the audacity to declare a section of our society and a segment of muslims as non-muslims. Who does not know that political expediency played a role and Bhutto allowed becoming an instrument in this act of infamy. Since when humans have the power to intervene in matters purely beyond their wisdom or jurisdiction, religions are for gods to decide for their correctness or truth. As far as I’m concerned anyone, person, may decide allegiance to any religion and call himself whatever he likes as long as he does not enforce his belief on mine——I’m a Muslim, if I say I am, and rest is with Allah, no person should be allowed to interfere with my belief and no one else’s belief.

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  • May 5, 2012 - 7:23PM

    @Rajendra Kalkhande:
    Its seems you totally forget about Achoots in India. They are either becoming Jain or converting to Muslims.

    First you take care of your own house before commenting on others.

    Regards
    Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

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  • Jahanzaib Baloch
    May 5, 2012 - 7:26PM

    Pakistan was created on the name of religions which is nothing but a bigotry. So guys don’t expect any kind of religious freedom etc after all it was the core idea for making this hapless country ” my religion Islam is true and better so we don’t need kafir land”

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  • Abhi
    May 5, 2012 - 7:38PM

    @Pk_paris:
    you are wrong about Geeta.
    i can have as many god as i want.
    it can be zero (i.e. Atheist hindu) ; one (Monotheism) or millions (polytheism).

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  • Asma Ali
    May 5, 2012 - 7:45PM

    @Maryam: And why not? Is the architecture of a mosque patented by muslims?

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  • T J BUTT
    May 5, 2012 - 8:52PM

    so d MULLAS happy now erasing the Holy Kalima and the Names of God.Is this the practice of True Muslims??? What else they want to do to call “Azab e Ilahi”

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  • dv sikka
    May 5, 2012 - 10:10PM

    These are the kind of issues which can create dangerous situations. Government should issue guidelines as what kind of architectutre is permitted for various religious places. This will create a peaceful situation.

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  • KASHIF NISAR
    May 5, 2012 - 11:13PM

    Sad Day forIsla and its idealogy
    M>A?Jinah will be very uncomfortable in his grave
    Pakistan Khappe Khappe

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  • 1984
    May 5, 2012 - 11:21PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

    Its seems you totally forget about Achoots in India. They are either becoming Jain or converting to Muslims.
    First you take care of your own house before commenting on others.

    We have taken care of our houses…Untouchabilty is a crime in India…Anyone practicing untouchability is sentenced to prison under the Untouchables Act(1955)…

    Those achoots are given special privileges called Schedule Castes and are given reservation in the schools and jobs….
    And your claims that achoots are becoming jains or muslims is totally baseless….unless you believe in Zaid Hamid’s teachings….

    By the way,u claim to be a doctor….Do you look at the religion of a person before treating him?? I hope you continue the holy profession of doctor rather than deciding what other religions should behave

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  • Umer
    May 5, 2012 - 11:22PM

    Religions of intolerance and hate…zia ul haq’s spirit lives on.

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  • Shyam
    May 6, 2012 - 12:22AM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

    UNtouchability is banned in India and there is 52% reservation in education and jobs. Do you provide the same to ahmedis?

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  • Bullhay Shah
    May 6, 2012 - 12:37AM

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  • Qaiser Aziz Qais
    May 6, 2012 - 1:03AM

    *This is very worst situation here in our beloved country Pakistan that today Islam true Islam is in real danger from Mullahs and their hawaries…….they never thought that what are they doing ……..they are erasing the name of Allah………in any religious history we never find any one example like this specially in the Islamic history there is no such a example that anyone erase God’s name even that name had written by any sect or group………..but these mullah really a worst creature on the earth as per saying of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W……..Allah saves our country and our nation from these elements ameen *

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  • khalid amir khan
    May 6, 2012 - 1:07AM

    Terribly sad…..if we do such kind of stupid acts, are we in anyway, morally correct to criticize India or Israel when they commit injustices towards Muslims in their country…..Recommend

  • Victory for Society
    May 6, 2012 - 1:11AM

    @Iqbal:
    I also support your view point. Ahmadiyya Community members seems far ahead relative to the members of counter part factions of Islam. Contrary to bans and persecution in Pakistan it tremendously flourishing elsewhere. In Europe it is leading in mosque construction. All major western countries consider the community as representative of moderate Islam acceptable to every one. Community Leader recently wrote letter to Pope and to the heads of world most powerful countries advising them to refrain from starting any war in Iran or elsewhere. In Uk and in many other countries community is holding regularly peace symposiums. Recently it got distinction to have translated the Holy Quran or its verses in more than 154 languages. These are just glimpses of achievements of the community for bringing good name to religion Islam. Unfortunate part is that the country from where, after partition, it mainly originated is deprived of its good deeds. Can the elite of Pakistan ever thought it the Ahmadiyya Community is ever growing while situation of Pakistan is gradually deteriorating. Settling the theological differences with peaceful dialogue and distancing the state from religion matters, why not to consider the Ahamdiyya Community members as loyal and patriotic Pakistani and take them in main stream for the betterment and improvement of the country.

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  • Umer
    May 6, 2012 - 1:44AM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

    Are you a real doctor or another Aamir Liaqat type?

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  • ahmed
    May 6, 2012 - 1:55AM

    Every citizen of this so called Islamic Republic of Pakistan who will remain silent on this brutality,forget about Ahmadies,but on place of worship will surely have to pay the price,and infact we are paying it off in some way or the other..

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  • May 6, 2012 - 9:04AM

    @1984:
    Yes on paper, you are correct but practically, we see daily casualties and miseries. Besides, India has Largest Jhopar Patti in the world. Are you pride of this, Alhamdollilah in Pakistan not a single person lives and spend his life with his family on the Road.

    When I say you take care of your own problems, I mean it.

    Regards
    Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

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  • major-ji
    May 6, 2012 - 2:16PM

    Good to see lot many positive comments a proof that majority of learned people of Pakistan from inner heart favour religious freedom. But question who cares for it. As per ET reporter even neighbours who never had problems with the mosque dared to utter any word in favour of religious freedom. Those who matter in high ups are mum. Remember PP top notches could not dare openly criticize murder of their Governor and Federal Minister, how they dare to utter any word in favour of Ahmadiyya community. Some active and effective part by Civil Society has to come in to play if country has to be saved from the menace of extremism..

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  • May 6, 2012 - 3:56PM

    @hawk:
    These Qadianis are not only nuisance in Pakistan but also in other countries where they go and seek political asylum on false pretext.

    Recently, German police have recently cracked them down. For details please see this link: http://chingaree.com/detailarticle.php?id=255

    They have distorted Islam and are truly been thrown out from the religion. There is still time for them to say sorry to Allah and accept Islam and its true sharia to become a pious Muslim.

    Regards

    Dr. Saleem Siddiqi

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  • Kashif
    May 6, 2012 - 4:24PM

    Mosque Means God,s Home & But i think We in Pakistan Playing with Islam,If Mullah Says Yes then Yes not think What means of Yes or Not………..Shame on Mullah

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  • unbeliever
    May 6, 2012 - 5:02PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

    come see in india, we value paper and associate religious feelings to it. it’s not like your country where only the things suiting your perception be respected and the other rejected.

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  • Mudassar
    May 6, 2012 - 5:17PM

    I appreciate the bravery of the writer, Rana Tanveer. Since the Pakistan established namely mula
    tease Ahmedis, even after the 1974 Parliament decision. All Ahmedis pray to Allah that guide the Muslims on right path.

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  • msiddiqi
    May 6, 2012 - 6:10PM

    @Iqbal:
    its people like you and pervez musharraf who are a disgrace to pakistan in particular and muslims in general…

    ahmedis and qadianis are not to be called muslims because they do not believe in the last Prophet (SAW).. they appear to be the same as disbelievers to me… like Jews or Christians. when they start believing in Muhammad (SAW), they can be more than welcomed as muslims.

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  • Rafi
    May 6, 2012 - 6:19PM

    Do you think Allah would be with those that were removing His beautiful names or those that were picking up the shattered pieces with His names on from the ground?

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  • Victory for Society
    May 6, 2012 - 9:17PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

    I have very minutely read all the comments on this article. My humble suggestion would be not to forget decency. Allegating someone `s religion beliefs seems not good. You have quoted a reference indicating involvment of Ahmadiyya Community Member in an incident. I know German and have read minutely German version of news. No such mention of Ahmadiyya community is in original news. Any way if some one even from community is involved, as one can find few balck sheeps in each faction of Islam, it does not mean the whole faction is bad. The author of Urdu article seems to be a biased man and his whole reporting carries flattery and boasting. From your name it appears you are doctor either of medicine or Phd. So I would suggest to leave aside the theological differences for religious scholars to settle and just concentrate that all are human beings and must be respected as such. In this context join us to raise your voice agaisnt the atrocities done with Ahmadiyya Community.

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  • AllahRukha
    May 6, 2012 - 10:27PM

    Where is the Khaadim e Aala? Does he only intervene in the presence of a dozen tv cameras?

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  • Zeeruck
    May 6, 2012 - 10:28PM

    @Sultan, and
    @Maryam:
    The first mosques did not have domes or minarets. The mosque will look more like a mosque than it did before.

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  • Zeeruck
    May 6, 2012 - 10:38PM

    @Vijay K:
    So would I.
    Do visit…
    http://www.youtube.com/bangaloreahmadi

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  • oooh
    May 6, 2012 - 11:03PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:
    so that means religion in under jurisdiction of dictators…….?????

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  • Zeeruck
    May 6, 2012 - 11:12PM

    @Vijay K:
    And, so would I, Vijay.

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  • May 7, 2012 - 6:34AM

    @Vijay K:
    Before extending such an invitation (which you are not even legally authorized to extend), you must properly take care of existing Muslim minorities in India.

    Muslims in India were seen butchered in Mumbai and Gujarat riots, females molested, houses looted and burnt. In Kashmir, armed Indian forces are brutely killing innocent Muslim and their business is ruined. Is this what you want.

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  • Anonymous
    May 7, 2012 - 10:49AM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:
    Keep up the good work Doc. With guys like you around no one needs to bomb Pakistan to ruin it. You and your ilk have the punch to do so!

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  • Athar Chattha
    May 7, 2012 - 5:34PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:
    Just few days ago Dr. Mubashir Hassan (one of the closest mates of Bhutto, who had the honour of passing the so-called law) gave the historic statement on television that passing this law was an absolute “Policitcal move” to please mullah and Saudis, to win support for the upcoming summit and to bag few seats of assembly.. So this is the reality of your version of Islam … Oh ya ya , Dr. Mubashir Hassan must be an Ahmadi, a conspirator, a Jewish planted bla bla bla …. Hats off to you Dr.

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  • Athar Chattha
    May 7, 2012 - 5:47PM

    @Shahbaz:
    but ask Qadyanis If they Believe Prophet Muhammad (S.A.A.W.W) as last prophet then we are ready to accept them as Muslims.

    I am an Ahmadi, and yes I 100% believe in the Prophet Muhammad (peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) to be last Prophet. Now am I Muslim ??

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  • Athar Chattha
    May 7, 2012 - 5:49PM

    @Hindustan Ki Shakti:
    Thank you sir …

    A Non-Muslim has to suggest a Muslim to let Official-Non-Muslims use the verses of Quran … Oh God, what have they made it all of.

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  • Zeeruck
    May 7, 2012 - 7:21PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:
    Muslims in India were seen butchered in Mumbai and Gujarat riots, females molested, houses looted and burnt. In Kashmir, armed Indian forces are brutely killing innocent Muslim and their business is ruined..

    Day n Night, Muslims and non-muslims both are being seen in Pk. from Khyber to Karachi, butchered, females molested, houses, schools, all kinds of places of worship including mosques, baargahs, dargahs looted, burnt and BOMBED! All this on a daily basis! And Sadly most of this is planned and instigated by those who have the temerity of calling themselves “Na’ibaan-Rasoolallah (pbuh)”!
    Astaghfirullah!!!——–
    If I’ve hurt your feelings Dear Dr., I willingly apologize… even if I think u r wrong. Recommend

  • harris
    May 7, 2012 - 7:40PM

    GOD save Pakistan form mullah and there narrow mindedness.
    I would like to share an event that recently happened near our house, last Sunday me and my dad were washing our car i saw 4-5 people who were coming from madrasa and holding some book in their hands (i don’t know which book it was as it was covered and i don’t want to make any interpretations of my own) one of them quietly pointed out to others a sleeping dog which was laying under a tree then 2-3 boys picked up some heavy bricks and threw it on dog’s head and ran away the dog died the other day…….
    on next day some molvies came to our house after magrib namaz to invite my dad to join them in some tabligi activity that they were planning in our society my dad reply to them that my tablige starts form my house what my children do is my tablige if they pray 5 time a day its my tablige if they respect others it shows my tabligi, if everyone try to start tablige form there own homes this world will definitely be a better place to live…

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  • gravity
    May 7, 2012 - 7:56PM

    @Dr. Saleem Siddiqi: India has Largest Jhopar Patti in the world. Are you pride of this, Alhamdollilah in Pakistan not a single person lives and spend his life with his family on the Road.

    Sir do you even live in Pakistan, cause i doubt your claims i personally like to invite you to visit Pakistan

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  • mark drinkwater
    May 10, 2012 - 11:41AM

    That’s how I feel about the 1 million Pakistanis who live in the UK@Dr. Saleem Siddiqi:

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  • huzaifa
    May 10, 2012 - 6:28PM

    @Maryam:
    In Switzerland they are trying to Pass a bill to tear down all minrates, My heart bleeds to think about that but what would be the situation of Ahmadies when actually this horrendous act was taking place. should we blame Swiss people and government after what we have done. Our narrow mindedness hits us back in a circle but we educated but illiterate people never learn. Recommend

  • Abdul Momen Khan
    May 11, 2012 - 12:58AM

    Is this our teaching of ISLAM … This act is really Bad act. from this act what the so called MULLAH want to show that in their ISLAM do these things with the others. erase the KALIMA from the mosques of AHMADIS and you got SAWAB wao what a thinking these MULLAH have…but unfortunately this is not the teaching of ISLAM that erase the KALIMA and remove the minnarahs from the mosque. that’s really shame full.

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  • hazeem
    May 12, 2012 - 5:34PM

    y only ahmady???? have they harm the government???? ‘no’ so please stop these all nonsense & let live ahmadies there life….please…please….

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  • Zahid Shah
    May 14, 2012 - 7:46AM

    Oh Pakistani illiterate and administration. shame on you for such act….shame shame

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  • SM
    Jun 4, 2012 - 12:06AM

    @kilo:
    They are also not allowed in Saudi arabia, btw.

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  • R.I.P
    Jun 8, 2012 - 7:09PM

    Its a normal behavior. Christians did it in Spain when they re-concurred it from Muslims
    Sikh and Hindu did it in India after partition and still doing in Kashmir. Taliban doing it in Pakistan. and Hindus did it to BABRI mosque in India.

    I believe that that there is a rule of law in Islamic Republic of Pakistan and that law is Anti Ahmadiya Law. No one will talk about drugs narcotics women trafficking bribery prostitution rape murder many other crimes forbidden by law. I think its legal by Pakistan’s law. because no mullah ever rallied against any of these crime.
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