Anti-Ahmedi laws: Police act as worship place ‘looks like a mosque’

Published: May 4, 2012
Police were about to tear down the minarets, about five feet high, at the main gate too, but local Ahmedis convinced them to give them a day to cover them as demolishing them would have damaged the whole structure.

Police were about to tear down the minarets, about five feet high, at the main gate too, but local Ahmedis convinced them to give them a day to cover them as demolishing them would have damaged the whole structure.


Policemen scratched out Quranic verses written on the walls of an Ahmedi place of worship and ordered them to cover up short minarets at the entrance as they made the place look like a mosque, The Express Tribune has learnt.

After receiving a complaint about the place of worship in Sultanpura, Kachhupura, a large contingent of Misri Shah police visited it on Wednesday and told the Ahmedis they had a day to make the place look less like a mosque, failing which a case would be registered against them under the ‘Anti-lslamic Activities of Qadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance’ of 1984.

The policemen etched out the verses at the main gate and entrance to the main hall. They were about to tear down the minarets, about five feet high, at the main gate too, but local Ahmedis convinced them to give them a day to cover them as demolishing them would have damaged the whole structure.

An Ahmedi familiar with the matter said that for several days, “irrelevant people” had been instigating non-Ahmedis in the area to complain about the place of worship. He said that they had applied to the local police for the registration of an FIR. He said that the deputy superintendent of police (DSP) concerned had met both sides on Tuesday and they had reached a compromise whereby no case would be registered provided the verses and minarets were removed.

He said that the worship house had been open since 1960 in the same form.

He said there were around 35 Ahmedi families in the area and they had offered no resistance to the police action.

He said that the police arrived at the place on Wednesday, cordoned it off and removed the verses by scratching them off the walls. He said that they had told the police that they would cover up the minarets using tiles to hide their shape.

On Thursday, they told the police they would try to cover the minarets with iron sheeting. Investigation Officer Khalid said that they had pledged to do so overnight.

Misri Shah Station Houser Officer (SHO) Mudassarullah Khan told The Express Tribune that the matter had been resolved amicably. He said no FIR had been registered and there had been no protest by anyone. He said the verses had been removed with the consent of both parties.

The SHO identified the complainants as Rana Muhammad Tufail and Advocate M Badar Alim Sheikh. He said that they had sought a case under Sections 295-B and 298-C of the Pakistan Penal Code.

The complainants, who are residents of Ravi Road, about 15 kilometres from the place of worship, said that the building had the Kalma Tayyeba, names of Allah and prayer verses written at the entrance as well as minarets. “They are non-Muslims and should be tried under the law for depicting themselves as Muslims,” read the complaint.

According to 295-B, “whoever wilfully defiles, damages or desecrates a copy of the Holy Quran or of an extract therefrom or uses it in any derogatory manner or for any unlawful purpose shall be punishable with imprisonment for life.”

According to 298-C, “any person of the Qadiani Group or the Lahori Group (who call themselves ‘Ahmedis’ or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”

Published in The Express Tribune, May 4th, 2012.

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Reader Comments (235)

  • May 4, 2012 - 1:44AM

    Should I congratulate all Pakistani Muslims for saving Islam from a great danger? Was Pakistan created for this reason to remove verses of the Holy Quran and names of Allah from buildings? Should we all feel safe that police is doing this great service of Islam in Pakistan?

    Are these the teachings and footsteps of Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) enshrined in the constitution of Pakistan?

  • AnisAqeel
    May 4, 2012 - 2:28AM

    It is outrageous and we have degraded ourselves to the extent that no fear of Allah or Rasool (s.a.w.) is left in us just for the animosity of a weak, God fearing, non political and practical sect. This is ignorance of before Rissalat when Kuffar used to do their utmost against Hazoor (s.a.w.)and Sahaba.


  • Shayan TJ
    May 4, 2012 - 3:06AM

    Sorry to say but this is a pathetic country. I feel ashamed. Who are we to question their faith? Live and let live.


  • May 4, 2012 - 3:45AM

    This sets a very dangerous precedence soon some others “devout muslims” will see some other Ahmadi “place of worship” more Masjid like so some other “devoted followers” will gather. Its strange twisted logic of Remove Allahs Names and the Kalima from a mosque and you go to heaven … No wonder Pakistan is in the state its in …Recommend

  • Ansar Raza
    May 4, 2012 - 6:11AM

    We, Ahmadi Muslims, living outside Pakistan should respond by increasing our tabligh activities and show those miscreants that your hegemony is limited only within the precincts of Pakistan but we are a world-wide community and we can not only depict ourselves as Muslims but also propagate our faith. Doing tabligh and achieving new converts can be a slap on their faces.


  • Qudsiaa
    May 4, 2012 - 6:12AM

    @Masood Nasir:
    Congrats! At least Police is doing something.


  • Aliu Taofeek
    May 4, 2012 - 8:36AM

    This is outrageous and completely condemnable act by the Pakistani Government. I really wept for the future of that country. But i just want them to know that Ahmadis are everywhere in the world, They can not stop the cause of Almighty Allah. Despite all their critism,we are progressing in faith. May Almighty Allah fight for us. Am proud to be an Ahmadi


  • Jaakhuzg
    May 4, 2012 - 10:13AM

    where is Khadim-e-Aala and our hyper active supreme Court’s Suo moto???


  • Lone Star
    May 4, 2012 - 10:29AM

    “…….religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment”. hmmmm it’s always Muslims feelings, whether they are in Pakistan or in the UK? Outta curiousity is there any decent person left in Pakistan who could raise this un-islamic act in the parliament? Let’s see who comes forward to condemn it.


  • unbeliever
    May 4, 2012 - 10:32AM

    isn’t scratching quoranic verses covered under blasphsmy?
    accidently burning of a newspaper having quoranic versus on it may land you in jail, then why not intentional scratching ?


  • Concerned
    May 4, 2012 - 10:38AM

    Islam cannot be saved by such actions and even the Almighty Allah would not approve of the same. More and more people all around the world would shun and condemn Muslims especially Pakistanis being an intolerant community. We are truly proud of our Ahmediyas and other Muslim sects in India who worship in their respective mosques without fear or discriminating each other.


  • Yawar Arif
    May 4, 2012 - 10:39AM

    A sad sad day. Where is freedom of religion? We Muslims cry when someone else does anything to us but are silent when we do the same to others? The hypocrisy, the shame!!!


  • Amir Khan
    May 4, 2012 - 10:49AM

    I am ashamed to be a Pakistani and a Muslim because of pathetic zealots like this. When I tell anyone I am a Pakistani Muslim I feel as if i am insulting myself. After living in Canada I realized what Islam actually is something I would have never learned living in Pakistan. I am sorry to say but nations like Canada, U.S., and the United Kingdom represent Islamic ideals such as love, tolerance, peace, respect, freedom, better than ANY ISLAMIC NATION!


  • Shehryar
    May 4, 2012 - 11:01AM

    Absolutely disgusting! Why does every thing under the sun “outrage the religious feelings of Muslims”???


  • Jaakhuzg
    May 4, 2012 - 11:03AM

    wake up Punjab… This land of lively, colorful and vibrant culture and people are fast falling into the grip of religious extremism and i am afraid that if not addressed timely,, it will soon be loosing its beautiful face.


  • May 4, 2012 - 11:07AM

    Scratching out Quranic verses from walls? How nice. We are the top most blasphemers ourselves and have no respect to the Book that we were given to follow. Pathetic.


  • Syed Khalil Ullah
    May 4, 2012 - 11:23AM

    This is just a face of democracy, a soar tablet that must have to be taken by minority as majority is authority.


  • fahad yousaf
    May 4, 2012 - 11:33AM

    No one is allowed to bypass the law. If there is a rule that Qadiyanis cant make their worship places like holy mosques then they should not. Why you guys are becoming so frustrating. I am sure papers like tribune will give air to this incident…shame on Tribune…


  • prakash
    May 4, 2012 - 11:42AM

    What all are you people doing…where are you heading to……such Intolerance.
    For God’s ( Allah ) sake leave your minorities alone…after all they are just a minority.


  • zalim singh
    May 4, 2012 - 11:48AM

    Scratching out Quran verses from walls- is it not blasphemy? will the police be arrested? Oh. It was not done by Americans. Otherwise there will be riots in streets of Pakistan.


  • yusuf
    May 4, 2012 - 11:53AM

    Why blame? Majority of ‘Muslim’ will admire this, majority is authority!!!


  • May 4, 2012 - 11:53AM

    I am afraid we are removing the Name of Allah and Kalima i Tayyaba without any fear. For God sake be sensible, be afraid from the Almighty Allah. Dangue fever, huge floods and other curses have not yet been gone away from Pakistan. Dont follow the footprints of Abraha and his army who came to Mecca to destroy the Khana i Kaaba but the history depicts that all his army was destroyed by the Almighty Allah by virtue of small Ababeels. Is there anyone who can stop these hate campaigners.


  • Observer's Eye
    May 4, 2012 - 12:05PM

    Speecless- Just wondering What would be our POV If someone in India or USA would have done this to our Mosques?


  • Falak
    May 4, 2012 - 12:16PM

    Do those who are Muslim by law have some kind of copyright on designs which vaguely fall under the category of mosque-like or Islamic design. Do we have some kind of monopoly on the Quran – wasn’t it revealed for the people of the world rather than just for the people of the faith. SHAME ON THE POLICE, SHAME ON THE GOVERNMENT, AND SHAME ON US for not protecting our brothers and sisters who are being persecuted for their beliefs.


  • Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen
    May 4, 2012 - 12:20PM

    It should be obvious to all that Allah’s blessings will not be in a country where the Government of an Islamic country sponsors the erasing of verses from the Holy Quran. I feel sorry for Pakistan.


  • Kaalchakra
    May 4, 2012 - 12:24PM

    Naeem Sabir

    No one has removed kalima from any mosque, so please, don’t twist facts.

    How often do the police agree to ‘give you a day’? Instead of blaming the police, would it not have been better to not engage in such activities in the first place?


  • salman
    May 4, 2012 - 12:40PM

    Shame on every Pakistani on planet earth. We have demonized our own no wonder we have so many enemies …

    Where is mighty khan the man of reforms change and INQALAB

    Atleast a statement would help ! Please condemn this


  • UFF
    May 4, 2012 - 12:41PM



  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2012 - 12:48PM

    Police etched out Quranic verses from the place of worship on behest of people who wanted themselves to be taken as more “muslims” than others?? Ironic!!


  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2012 - 12:51PM

    If tomorrow some Quranic verses are published in a book not written by a muslim then what would be the fate of that book??


  • May 4, 2012 - 12:52PM

    Quaid e Azam’s address to Constituent Assembly, August 11 1947 says, “We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish.”

    An here we are…. A democratic state with freedom of speech, expression and above all, freedom of religion.


  • Acorn Guts
    May 4, 2012 - 1:00PM

    Yeah? Well try to erase the status of mosque for this place from within our hearts!


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 1:00PM

    @fahad yousaf:

    No one is allowed to bypass the law.
    If there is a rule that Qadiyanis cant
    make their worship places like holy
    mosques then they should not.

    Palestinians and Kashmiris should not break any Israeli or Indian laws too by your standards.


  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    May 4, 2012 - 1:10PM

    @fahad yousaf:
    Can any one please explain that what this dispute is about??
    But I just know one thing that until & unless anyone insults islam , he must be allowed to follow religion.


  • Zeeshan Sheikh
    May 4, 2012 - 1:12PM

    Good Work there is no room of any change in Islam.


  • waqar ahmed
    May 4, 2012 - 1:13PM

    Whats wrong guys…….. Law is a law….do as directed ….. and really shame on tribune.
    dont cry follow the law. you are not Muslims dont built mosque….if you dont understand and follow Quran dont write on your worship place walls.


  • Ali
    May 4, 2012 - 1:16PM

    Why Qadianis are not following law. Qadianis should live and let live amicably in society. If the law doesn’t allow them than why every time they do this. It’s becoming their routine.

    These activities of Qadianis mislead Muslims of local area as they consider it masjid and go to pray. To prevent this this law was made but Qadianis are very stubborn.


  • Imran Nadeem
    May 4, 2012 - 1:18PM

    It’s very shamefull ! Whether Islam teaches us this way ??? Very very sad,
    It’s slap upon administration of Punjab and curse on the former of this ordinance.
    Anyhow these actions can not slow down the very speedy progress of Ahmadiyya jamat .
    Only in two days of March 2012 Leader of Ahmadiyya Jamat has inaugurated three mosques in west midlands region of UK in a radius of 13 miles only.


  • xzy
    May 4, 2012 - 1:21PM

    @fahad yousaf:
    The said Ahmadi ‘mosque’ with it’s ‘muslim architecture’ was built in 1960, before the 1974 ordinance declared them as ‘non-muslims’ and before 1984 ordinance became effective.
    As per the rule of law it only applies to the ‘mosques’ built after 1984.


  • Agent Ali Imran
    May 4, 2012 - 1:23PM

    I am absolutely in favour of this action we must not allowed any self proclaimed Islam follower to do anything which can damage the image of Islam and our Prophet (PBUH). I live in UK and here I saw how UK and German government pay this community to damage the image of Islam and converting peoples to become Qadyaani by paying him lot of money.


  • Agent Ali Imran
    May 4, 2012 - 1:27PM

    Quran-e-Pak is for reading, understanding and to implementing in our daily life. Its not for writing on the walls.


  • Tayyab Pirzada (@MCAcidFlow)
    May 4, 2012 - 1:28PM

    During the time of the Prophet (sa), the Kuffar would commit the same monstrosities and atrocities that these people are doing against Ahmadi Muslims. May Islam be protected from such ideologies. And for all our Muslim brothers and sisters in the Ummah, do you not see that day by day the Ummah is more divided ideologically in terms of sects, politically, and in other ways, and is more and more at odds with itself, and you have things like this, yet the جامعة الإسلامية الأحمدية has remained united under 1 Khalifah since its inception?

    The Prophet (sa) said if you cannot find a Jama’at al-Muslimeen (Community of Muslims) with a single Imam uniting them, then go and live in the forest in seclusion. However if you do find that Community, then go join them (Sahih Bukhari).

    Love for All, Hatred for None


  • May 4, 2012 - 1:29PM

    One thing is clear that these minority Muslim sects are only safe in non-islamic countries. In a failed country like Pakistan, they are neither allowed to pray nor convert to other religions.


  • Pardesi
    May 4, 2012 - 1:36PM

    I believe every human being has the right to practice what ever religion they wish to practise, but as far as I am concerned our prophet of Islam declared in his akhri khutba that HE was the last prophet and there will be no more after him.
    Now Mr Ahmed comes along, and claims to be a prophet why did he try to hijack Islam?
    If you choose to follow another prophet then you are not Muslims : SIMPLES
    These people should not be persecuted for their religious practice but I would seriously ask Ahmadis to look at their faith.
    Why is it that “Ahmadis” are not allowed to perform Hajj if they go there as “Ahmadis”?


  • xzy
    May 4, 2012 - 1:39PM

    Also I urge my Ahmadi Muslim brothers that just like how they stand up and unite against oppression from fellow Muslims, so too they should unite against oppression and hypocrisy within the community, especially in Pakistan.
    You should point out and bring to jamaat’s notice those ‘murrabiyans’, ‘sadar sahib/sahiba e halka’ and their families who flaunt their position for personal gains and hide behind piety.
    Because they are no different from the Mullahs who are against Jamaat e Ahmaddiya.


  • FoAad
    May 4, 2012 - 1:42PM

    This is called State-Sponsored Terrorism , Every amendment made by Dictators can be abolished but why this one remains in Constitution ? From where they get that stopping anyone from Saying Prayers , Going to Mosques and Calling Adhan is serving Islam ? Hazur (SAW) even allowed Jews and Christian to worship even in Mosques sometimes . Mullahism is destroying Pakistan internally !!


  • usman
    May 4, 2012 - 1:44PM

    shame on you fahad yousaf. pathetic move by the police. everyone should have a fair chance to practice their religion in peace


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 1:50PM

    Good Job ….Recommend

  • A2Z
    May 4, 2012 - 1:52PM

    This law is product of “Democracy”, the lovely system of secular and liberals. They also “preach” to respect the constitution then why they are so much frustrated. When law is according to their wishes then it’s perfect otherwise not. Secular and Liberal are also extremists.
    Those who are criticising that there is no tolerance then I should remind you the law says Ahmadis should not build their worship places which resembles Mosque other than that they are allowed to build. They should respect the law and live peacefully instead of creating trouble.


  • Mussadiq
    May 4, 2012 - 1:59PM

    What a service of Islam by erasing Kalma, Names of Allah and Verses of Holy Quran. Shame on these stupid and ignorant people.

    May Allah have mercy on these people


  • Parvez
    May 4, 2012 - 2:02PM

    …..and we still call ourselves a tolerant Muslim nation.


  • KM
    May 4, 2012 - 2:04PM

    Ahmedi’s are not muslim’s

    Here is the simple fact –

    They believe that the Prophet Mohammad (saww) is not the last prophet and that mirza bloke is a prophet (Naozbilla).

    I find it amusing whenever anything relating to Ahmedi’s is posted……the comments sections are flooded by….Ahmedi’s…’s a bit like the jews who come in masses on the guardian/independent blogs about Palestine/Israel.

    The fact is Ahmedi’s are not wanted in Pakistan and it’s better you do not degrade Islam. Recommend

  • May 4, 2012 - 2:06PM

    This is just sad. Very sad. Why can’t we let them live/worship the way they want?


  • R.A
    May 4, 2012 - 2:10PM

    Burning of Quraan by a non Muslim in U S and
    Scratching of verses of Quraan by Mullas
    and so called Muslim police.?
    What is the difference except
    Muslims doing this is far bigger sin
    Can C.J tell us where is the
    Namoos e Quraan law

  • Omer
    May 4, 2012 - 2:10PM

    Gift of free judiciary and a democratic government.


  • sonam shyam
    May 4, 2012 - 2:11PM

    Pakistan was made on the doctrine that Hindus and Muslims can not live together. Well! Hindus are by and large living peacefully with Muslims in India; while Muslims are not living peacefully with fellow Muslims in Pakistan. Two nation theory is dead; long live Hindu-Muslim unity!


  • M Afzal Qamar
    May 4, 2012 - 2:12PM

    Really a sad day and sad event.


  • Ahmed
    May 4, 2012 - 2:12PM

    Ahmedi or Qadiani are non-muslims, this is a fact. Why they try to disguise themselves as muslims when they are not. We should appreciate the act of police. However, they should have charged them under law.Recommend

  • Imran Nadeem
    May 4, 2012 - 2:12PM



  • Ashar
    May 4, 2012 - 2:15PM

    Ahmedis are non muslims. They want to live in Pakistan they can. But not like Muslims. ZAB was one of the greatest men of Pakistan who took this bold decision and declared Ahmedis non- muslims.

    What ever done with them is of no disappointment, neither they were forced nor persecuted, they knew they were doing wrong because when you do not believe on Kalima Tayyaba then you do not have the right to place it on the wall of your temple. Same is for Holy Verses.

    After going thru the above comments it seems this is the first muslim comments on this one of the very few legal, justified and shariah complient actions of our Police Force. Thanks to the Petitioners for setting things straight with respect to our respected minority of Pakistan, Qadianis.


  • May 4, 2012 - 2:27PM


    o look! do I see Policemen stop living in denial and the fear of the Mullah. Havent they dont enough to destroy Pakistan!!!!


  • Muhammad Asghar
    May 4, 2012 - 2:28PM

    @ ROY Quiad didnt mentioned QADYANIs is his speech as quoted by between did the police stop u guys from ur prayes????the answer is no so stop bleeding Recommend

  • Kaalchakra
    May 4, 2012 - 2:30PM

    Dilawer Khan Sahib

    The Quaid had visualized Pakistan as a welfare Islamic state. Hindus, Ahmadis, Sikhs could continue to practice their faiths if they wanted but he expected the true Islamic ways to become a common bond among all, thus reducing angularities. He could not have appreciated Ahmedis taking the route they have.


  • huzaifa
    May 4, 2012 - 2:32PM

    My ignorant to Islam brothers who scratched out the Qurranic verses and tried to demolish minarets from worship place forgot that few of the indications of Qurb e Qiamat are that people will rub off the Qurranic verses and will demolish Mosques. It is sad to learn that one of the Leaders involved was an ADVOCATE, so now i believe that two of the indications are being completed.


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 2:32PM


    would it not have been better to not
    engage in such activities in the first

    What activities? Freedom of religion? It may come as a surprise to a JI supporter like you but freedom of religion is the basic right of every human being. Police infringed on that right so police is to blame as well as the government who instead of protecting citizen rights steps over them.


  • May 4, 2012 - 2:35PM

    Why so much crying? Whatever happen to DEMOCRACY and the Majority is Authority?


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 2:35PM

    @Agent Ali Imran:

    Quran-e-Pak is for reading,
    understanding and to implementing in
    our daily life. Its not for writing on
    the walls.

    That would mean we’ll have to scratch it off from even the very famous mosques like Faisal mosque among others.


  • Arindom
    May 4, 2012 - 2:41PM



  • Hassan
    May 4, 2012 - 2:47PM

    that’s sick


  • May 4, 2012 - 2:57PM

    The ironical thing is Pakistan was supposed to be haven for all Muslims. How sad that they enjoy greater freedom from the country that was supposed to oppress them.

    I am happy to point out that Ahmadis enjoy freedom in India.


  • Athar Chattha
    May 4, 2012 - 3:04PM

    He is Busy sending these police contingents to Ahmadi places instead of all the places they are actually needed in this lawless society


  • Qaiser Aziz Qais
    May 4, 2012 - 3:07PM

    this is what no body knows becuase in pakistan the name of islam is opposition of Ahmadiyyat an nothing else. If somebody raises his voice against this unjustice action then the government never take serious action even looks like that govt. itself involves aal in these maaters…… thing i never understand that what is the real problem of them with these names of Allah which has written on that walls oh Ahmadiyya worship places……… there anyone who can give the answer? certainly no one is there because they don’t know what are they doing…………Allah will catch them soonly inshallah and tells them what did they do………..this is the dark side of our beloved Pakistan so sad,……


  • observer
    May 4, 2012 - 3:09PM

    Policemen scratched out Quranic verses written on the walls

    So far, so good.

    Now will some scholar tell me that if I were to ‘scratch out Quranic verses’ written on some other walls, I will not be killed for blasphemy.

    And would the same apply, if I were to ‘scrach’ out the verses from some pages in a Book or may be some pages from the Book, also.

    Some people desperately need to wake up and get a life.


  • Krusty
    May 4, 2012 - 3:09PM

    The law is the law is the law…


    Dance! Dance like they all are…why, can’t you hear the music? You must be mad, mad I tell you, if you don’t hear the music!


  • dv sikka
    May 4, 2012 - 3:10PM

    After this sect is obliterated it will be the turn of SHEA. Will people of Pakistan ever see PEACE in that beautiful country. Before Partition everybody lived peacefully. WHY NOT NOW ?.


  • Litmus
    May 4, 2012 - 3:13PM

    @fahad yousaf:
    Offcourse no one is above law, that is the reason none from the Ahmadi community reacted in any manner. It seems like you are a hardcore law abiding citizen, but what you missed looking at is the Hypocracy. The Tribune is highlighting that the Kalima, Allah’s Name and Quranic verses were rubbed, can’t you see that. You seem quite boastful for law, please mention which law gives permission for rubbing Kalima, Allah’s name and Quranic verses. Law prohibits wall chalking at government installations, public places, I have never seen police rubbing that, so which rule of law are you talking about?


  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2012 - 3:17PM

    I am not an Ahmadi but this is not in accordance with the Quaid’s Pakistan…shame on we the Muslims for such conservatism…we have made Pakistan apartheid for the minorities…


  • May 4, 2012 - 3:19PM

    @Masood Nasir:
    I am an ex-Qadiani; We can not call a worship building of Qadianies as a mosque. As the Muslims and Qaddianies are two different groups. Therefore it was the right thing to do that all symbols and things which were depicting that building as a mosque must be removed to avoid any confusion.

    I will further suggest that a sign board must be hanged outside every Ahmaddiya worship centre that this building is an Ahmaddiya Worship Centre.

    And Yes, the Qadianies must be given all sorts of protection from any kind of harassment and must be allowed to peacefully follow their beliefs as long as they do not pose themselves as Muslims.


  • Nasir Ahmad
    May 4, 2012 - 3:21PM

    These so called muslims are scraching Quran from mosque and pastor Tery Jones is
    burning Quran.I cannot see any difference between them both are doing the same.


  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    May 4, 2012 - 3:22PM


    Palestinians and Kashmiris should not
    break any Israeli or Indian laws too
    by your standards.

    I admire your abilities in bringing up Palestine and Kashmir in a context not even remotely related to either.


  • Asif Ali
    May 4, 2012 - 3:24PM

    The law of all Islamic lands (including Pakistan) states that Ahmedi’s are “non muslims”.
    So why the hue and cry?
    If Ahmedi’s think they are in large number and are spread worldwide, they must go elsewhere in a non-islamic country.
    They can not and should not practice non muslim faith, while calling themselves as muslims – in a muslim land.


  • Feroz
    May 4, 2012 - 3:25PM

    Was Pakistan created for the protection of Islam or the destruction of Islam ? Seeing the happenings of the last 65 years I am having some serious doubts.
    Will those who erase the Quranic verses and and pull down the minarets be subsequently prosecuted under the BLASPHEMY laws ?


  • munchkin bob
    May 4, 2012 - 3:28PM

    finally with this we have saved the islam today. congrats, muslims


  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    May 4, 2012 - 3:31PM

    @Agent Ali Imran:
    Extremism is the main problem in Pakistan.
    Here [people have thinking like of yours. Using scripts from Holy boo and writing on walls should rather be considered good because people learn from them.
    I appreciate Express Tribune for being so open and informing this to entire community of Pakistan & world so that atleast educated people in Pakistan can protest about these acts of Stone Age Era.
    Should allow Ahmedis to practice their way of worshiping .


  • khalid
    May 4, 2012 - 3:34PM

    . It started in early 50ties and it is gaining ground ever since. One of the reasons is that politicians have lost their vision. Instead of leading the nation , and creating the national unity ,they are following the crowds. They do not dare to say what they mean!!!! the result is that whole of the nation is polarized,fabric of society is torn away , and Mullhaism is on the march.
    It will remain so until the political forces are completely out of scene. And Taliban take over the beautiful land of Pakistan.
    Welcome to the list of most intolerant people .


  • May 4, 2012 - 3:57PM

    Its a very shameful thing that a Muslim erasing Kalima and Quranic verses. No matter that a police did it but first of all the cops were Muslims. Muslims should spread Quran and here they’re removing it. What a pity….


  • muhajir
    May 4, 2012 - 3:58PM

    They have to obey the law of the Land. Even in Europe or America one cannot make a masjid without legal permission. When its in the law of Pakistan that ahmadi worship places should not bear the resemblance of a Masjid then that should be respected. The police have shown humanity and leniency by allowing them one day to comply with the law.


  • Lion-O
    May 4, 2012 - 4:10PM

    @Masood Nasir:
    Yes, these are the teachings of the Prophet (saws). In the Prophets time numerous sects arose in which their leaders proclaimed themselves as Prophets and as messiahs, these sects would attempt to justify themselves through verses in the Quran and other matters of faith, they were all relentlessly persecuted to extinction.


  • adnan
    May 4, 2012 - 4:11PM

    absolutely right they dont have right to use the verses of quran on their walls they are kafirsRecommend

  • May 4, 2012 - 4:13PM

    @Amir Khan:
    So live with them and die with them and get buried with them.


    May 4, 2012 - 4:15PM

    @Pardesi: I don’t what happened here it seems that the news paper goofed up and published someone’s elses mail under my name of Pardesi. But whoever you are this is my reply to you. Allah Mian has not abdicated his seat nor has he said that go about punishing people in this world who are falling foul of Allah’s message. Allah Mian has kept this right and we Muslims if we are Muslims have no in behaving this wayRecommend

  • Logic Europe
    May 4, 2012 - 4:21PM

    the biggest mistake was to creat Pakistan and you can see the results


  • Ibraheem Mustafa
    May 4, 2012 - 4:27PM

    I salute the policemen for standing up to the Qadiani lobby and upholding rule of law !


  • muhajir
    May 4, 2012 - 4:28PM

    why dont ahmadis just call their religion ahmadiyat? a separate religion like hindusim, sikhism, christianity, etc why do they create fitna in Islam by calling their religion a sect in Islam?
    I would love to have an academic debate with the Ahmadi head in London. Can he answer the following?
    Mirza Qadiyani did not fight against any Dajjal nor did he fulfill any of the prophecies which will be fulfilled by Prophet Isa (as) or Imam Mahdi. so why do they still follow him? Also thr Authentic Hadith clearly state that Prophet Isa (as) will be separate from Imam Mahdi, so how do they accept Mirza Qadiyani as two in one?


  • Ayyaz
    May 4, 2012 - 4:39PM

    @ Umer
    Palestinians and Kashmiris should not break any Israeli or Indian laws too by your standards.

    Well you know what is the history of Kashmir & Israeli, Jews have occupied the state & same as indian did. as it was clearly mentioned in Law that Ahmadi are not muslim, if their was something wrong, then the local of that worship place should speak out, well they know that they are wrong so they didn’t oppose, don’t know why you people are shouting from all over the world,


  • Mujahid
    May 4, 2012 - 4:41PM

    If All Qadiani reckon them ‘Ahmedi’ and all others (whther muslim or non-muslim) as non-ahmedi then its very much perfect to remove minret from thier place of worship. And its nothing but compliance the law and constitution of Pakistan which require to do so. Police is just doing what these Pakistanies wanted for them. What wrong with it?. After all Qadianies are all Pakistani and they have to abide by the law and constitution. Isn’t it the case??


  • M Ahmed
    May 4, 2012 - 4:50PM

    As an overseas Pakistani & a Muslim I have more civil rights and liberty to practice my religion than I have in Pakistan & Mideast.


  • Litmus
    May 4, 2012 - 4:52PM

    the way my friend you wrote that Ahmadi’s and non-muslim is a fact, you must be very sure about it. For my knowledge, can you tell me the basis of this fact? What makes you think that they disguide themselves as muslims? Frankly speaking, if they disguise themselves with Quranic verses and Kalima, should’nt you be happy that they are coming under the veil of muslims. Its a natural win for you, isn’t it.


  • A real Bloch
    May 4, 2012 - 4:55PM

    Qadyanis arent Mulims this is the verdict of 1.1 billion Muslims. They themselves designate themselves as Ahmdis. Qdyyani cult have their headquarters in London UK and Haifa Israel. It is a shame that they use Islam and Quranic words on there place of worship. If they want to revert back revert from Mirza and declare Muhammad (PBUH) as the last Prophet.


  • V Sharma
    May 4, 2012 - 5:00PM

    Only in Pakistan. Such a shame.


  • ZYZE
    May 4, 2012 - 5:01PM

    Please dont call Ahmedis as Muslims, ………they have different faith and relegion from Muslims.

    Yes, we have to protect every minority in our country.

    Everyone has to obey the law of the country as well.


  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2012 - 5:03PM

    Tomorrow you will try to erase rest of humanity just because in your belief they are not muslims but look like one! (same 2pair of eyes, walk on two legs, have same kind of brains….) in short are also humans.


  • M Ali Khan
    May 4, 2012 - 5:04PM

    just remember that Pakistan is, and still remains, the only country in the whole world that declares Ahmedis as “non-muslims” by law.

    No other country, Muslim or non-Muslim, does that.

    You will find Ahmedis in India, UK, USA, Bangladesh, Canada, South Africa, Indonesia, Gulf, Europe etc and they are regarded as Muslims and can go to Hajj/Ummrah to Saudi Arabia too.


  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2012 - 5:06PM

    Talk about the caste system…in garb of religion!:


  • Litmus
    May 4, 2012 - 5:14PM

    You an academic person in matters of religion? The authority with which you are expressing your desire to have an ‘academic’ debate with the head of the Ahmadiyya community, seems you have mastered in your understanding about the philosophies and teachings of Islam. My question to you is, do you even know the plain translation of ‘Namaz’? You might be offering it five times a day, you must be knowing every meaning of every single verse you say in namaz, i bet you won’t. The problem with people like you is that you don’t know the very basics of Islam and yet you have the courage to question others faith, may Allah have mercy on you. And please, become a true muslim and strengthen your basics, then may be you you won’t be needing any ‘academic’ debate.


  • Ali
    May 4, 2012 - 5:15PM

    Well To all the sympathizer of Qadyani religion, it is not new to fight against false prophethood, this is taught by the our beloved Last and Final Messenger of Allah Muhammad Sallala ho Alihi wassallam, his Sahabas from First Caliph Hazat Abubakar Sadiq RA to the ones coming after, and yet many Fake prophets have come in the past and all of them like the founder of Qadyani religion pose themsleves as Muslims, They try to do the preaching as by fouling the common people as harmless and practicing muslim sect and showing and using Qaran and Kalima Pak as their symbols. This is nothing new, Qadyani predecessors have done it in the past and they will continue to do this in future Our response to all of them need to be the same given to their leader . May Allah Subhan Wa Talla protect our Imaan and Islam. Recommend

  • Chilli
    May 4, 2012 - 5:25PM

    Why ET is so easy on Islam and so sympathetic on Ahmedis??? I am sure they are not aware of the wrath one deserve for deviation in Islam. Making worship places similar to Muslims is a trap to misguide innocent worshippers.


  • Saquib
    May 4, 2012 - 5:29PM

    We, as muslims have lost the essence of Islam. Who are we to judge them? I feel ashamed of being a Pakistani muslim for such a ruthless treatment with Ahmadi brothers & sisters, though, I don’t belong to them but I at least feel for them and to feel the feeling of such pain is what Islam has taught me. They should be given freedom to practice their religion in whichever way they want & be treated equally regardless of any name they give to their religion.

    May Allah give them hidaya that’s what is least expected of them!


  • Omair
    May 4, 2012 - 5:33PM

    shame on you writer by negatively portraying everything :P :P

    shame on all muslim who are against this action………

    for police good work done guys

    there is a difference between mosque and its look a like and there is no harm in destroying look a like………. why i said it look alike because when qadyanis or ahmedis are not muslims then how come there worship place is a mosque and same is the case with their so called kalima and book………Recommend

  • G. Din
    May 4, 2012 - 5:35PM

    This is sheer lunacy!


  • Righteous
    May 4, 2012 - 5:39PM

    What nonsense !!


  • Ahmad Babar
    May 4, 2012 - 5:44PM

    Well Done,

    Just not let any one else touch our Religion !!!
    Keep them away !!!!


  • Ilyad
    May 4, 2012 - 5:51PM

    @ Lone Star: good point, but for that you need moral courage – which is lacking in abundance. People don’t want to face the wrath of the nuisance value of mullah!


  • True Muslim Paki
    May 4, 2012 - 5:52PM

    I really dont understand why so many people are commenting here. Theres a law and implementing the law is wrong? Why? Qadianis, Ahmedis are NOT Muslims. They Do Not accept Mohammed as the last prophet & therefore, are not muslims. & hence they have lost their right just like Hindoos to put Quranic Verses on their buildings (not mosques). Why is ET making a fuss over something which is a non issue? I think theres a conspiracy.
    Other Newspapers like Damn or the Jang or nation haven`t even bothered to cover this while ET makes this a big ticket news item.


  • Mumbai Dude
    May 4, 2012 - 5:54PM

    If Zakir Naik can travel to non-muslim nations to spread Islam, why cant Ahmadis do the same in Islamic lands? Please respond hypocrites.


  • True Muslim Paki
    May 4, 2012 - 5:55PM

    ET is a newspaper with a foreign agenda and conspiracy. It always posts non news items like this to degrade pakistan. It also posts articles against Imran Khan Sahab all the time. Imran Khan sahab not any other politicial party has condemned this nor is there any report in any newspaper, why ET is always doing this?


  • Dr. Adnan
    May 4, 2012 - 5:56PM

    @ All Above :

    If it’s a law under constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan than it is needed to be followed on all costs.

    Second thing : I have already seen real faces of Ahmedi’s I can’t defend them anymore. So now follow the LAW like everyone else.


  • From Bigoted Land
    May 4, 2012 - 5:58PM

    For God’s sake “Live and Let Live” people. Such bigots, like those who reported this to the police, let all pakistanis down. Let ahmadis have a breath of peace even if you dont consider them muslims atleast consider them humans.


  • Adam
    May 4, 2012 - 6:03PM

    Hazoor SAW said that Islam would be divided into 72 sects and only one would be following me and mine Sahaba. These majority is following exactly the early days people who want to remove Islam by force. Love for all hatred for none.


  • Ashvinn
    May 4, 2012 - 6:17PM

    Why are Muslims so anti ahamadiya why are they so brutally intolerant, we have similar in Kashmir with the grand mufti asking GOI not to recognise ahamadiya community as Muslims.we Hindus have our own fanatics but on this scale that they challenge peace of the world.


  • May 4, 2012 - 6:29PM

    than we wonder why there are so many problems happening in pakistan………….
    this is KHUDA KI LANAT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WE DO NOT LEARN DO WE………..Recommend

  • Ashamed to be a Pakistani muslim
    May 4, 2012 - 6:29PM

    Do these so called “true Muslims ” have a patent on a particular building design.This is height of hypocrisy and the worse kind of religious narrow minded
    ness, which has nothing to do with glorious principles of Islam.these people are actually exhibiting the same narrow minded ness and hatred as of their Hindu ancestor, albeit in name of Islam.Their cousins are doing the same across border by demolishing Babri mosque and killing people belonging to other religions like Muslims,Christians,Sikh etc,all in name of religion.


  • smj
    May 4, 2012 - 6:35PM

    What if American congress pass a law to ban Muslims their right of worship in public or create our mosques a certain way after getting “inspirations” from this golden law?


  • Dua
    May 4, 2012 - 6:35PM

    Ahamedies r nt breaking any rule of Pakistan even these laws are non Islamic and inhuman. these mosques were built before these anti ahmadiya laws. ur police and extremists are breaking the rules of Islam by scratching and erasing Quranic verses. Is this the Sunnah of Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H)? . He The Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) allowed Christians to pray in His Mosques. Muslims are those who preach islam and Quranic verses not erase them. Shame on all these so called Muslims.Recommend

  • Muhammad
    May 4, 2012 - 6:41PM

    Its about time that people should wake up and provide protection to the weak in their community. Shouting the slogan that we are muslims and not lending a helping hand to those who are being persecuted is hypocricy. I see many people feel bad for the ahmadis but they will never go out to talk to them or help them in real life. If you are not part of a solution, you are part of the problem.

    Religious fascism, which most Pakistanis suffer from, is a disease that kills slowly. Europe called their share of it as “dark ages” while muslims think that every thing in their history is made of gold. Religion takes away all logic and common sense from an average human. This fascims, has engrained the Pakistanis to believe that Muslim is a label whereas the Quran puts it as a “quality of a human”.

    Ahmadis are as much muslim as any other sect. Soon the time will come when all these hateful sects will face the consequences of their actions.

    And again, dont just talk….go out and take some action.


  • shahina
    May 4, 2012 - 6:45PM

    @ A2Z Where in Pakistan can u point out any incident from the side of an Ahmadi creating trouble Ahamdis, Do u believe Allah is everywhere so u know what is happening in Pakistan or you just want to say against Ahamdis without any prior knowledge Fear God and think rationally is this what our holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw) has taught us from where you get that stopping anyone from Saying Prayers , Going to Mosques and Calling Adhan is serving Islam ? Hazur (SAW) even allowed Jews and Christian to worship even in Mosques sometimes . Mullahism is destroying Pakistan allover !! Already the condition of Pakistan is getting worse day by what else are you all waiting for Allah’s curse will not leave any one who even thinks wrong for anyone fear God Ahmadies only speak of love for all and hatred for none !
    Shame on the police and shame on the government and shame on the official muslims of the so called Muslim country Pakistan May Almighty Allah show all the right path !


  • Hasan Awan
    May 4, 2012 - 6:54PM

    The most interesting thing is I have seen mass protests against Burqa Ban and Minaret Ban Pakistan and when Jamaat e Islaami was asked why there should not be any ban then they said that Islam teaches us tolerance and There are Human right in Islam. So the irony is that We call Europeans as Hypocrites after Minaret Ban and we say that they dont follow Human rights but when we do the same in Pakistan then we say we are Majority and we have the right to do that and many people infact supported this move. This means According to my Muslims fellows Human rights exist only for Muslims and not for Non Muslims. They can protest Minaret and Burqa Ban but In Islamic country Human rights exist for only Muslims.
    With this move how can you say that Human rights are equal in Islam. ???. When you are in Majority you want Shariah and when you are in Minority then you want Secularism like in Europe to protect yourself.?.


  • Freeman
    May 4, 2012 - 7:09PM

    @Agent Ali Imran: Ahmadies should respect Pakistani law. According to law Ahmedies are not Muslims as they do not follow fundamental rule of islam so why they make their worships like muslims mosques.

    I am not against Ahmedies or their faith but Law is law. They have every right to follow their own way of faith but they also need to follow country law where they live. If Ahmedies will make mosques then there will be confusion among the muslims.

    I am not sure why everyone is trying to bash Pakistan. More worse things are happening in other countries in the world. Police only asking them to respect the law and that’s it and gave them time to do it themselves.


  • muhajir
    May 4, 2012 - 7:12PM


    Dude I urge you to question your leaders, not follow them blindly.

    Mirza Qadiyani did not fight against any Dajjal. He did not make the muslims rule over the entire earth as the prophecy of Prophet Isa’s second coming states per the authentic hadith. That proves that Mirza Qadiyani was NOT Prophet Isa (As). Mirza Qadiyani was NOT Imam Mahdi either because Imam Mahdi will work along side Prophet Isa (as) and both Prophet Isa (as) and Imam Mahdi will meet in Makkah according to authentic hadith. Then they will fight against and conquer Dajjal and Yajuj Majuj (Gog Magog) per authentic hadith of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Now interestingly Mirza Qadiyani neither fought against Dajjal nor against Yujuj Majuj. in fact Dajjal and Yajuj Majuj did not even appear in mirza Qadiyani’s time and have not yet appeared. So this proves that he was neither Mahdi nor Prophet Isa (as)

    Please study Islam, get the basics and you will automatically abandon ahmadiyat. I feel Pakistani muslims should not harm ahmadis but show them the light of true Islam and have academic discussions on Islamic faith with them and they will automatically abandon ahmadiyat.Recommend

  • Freeman
    May 4, 2012 - 7:14PM

    @Umer: None of them are breaking the law of Palestine and India as they are occupied by India and Isreal and are not citizens of Israel and India. They both are fighting to kick both them from their own territory.


  • Ahmedis are corrupting ISLAM
    May 4, 2012 - 7:26PM

    I don’t understand what the heck is your problem guys, you guys are defending Ahmedis and Qudianies, how do you like them to curropt your religion,, they are worst of all muslims. Do you all know the ideological theories of these people, “they believe that Budha is also a prophet of Allah” I mean how could someone being a muslim believe that?


  • rehan
    May 4, 2012 - 7:27PM

    @Masood Nasir:
    yes indeed.
    Whatever the police did was exactly according to the law of the land and pure and simple constitutional.
    They are prohibited, through the constitution, to act and portray themsleves like Muslims.
    Commendable police action without any violence shall be appreciated instead ridiculing Pakistan itself.
    Grow up.


  • AB
    May 4, 2012 - 7:31PM

    Disgusting, intolerant, disappointing, saddening…. this is NOT my Islam.


  • Shehzad Hameed
    May 4, 2012 - 7:33PM

    Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the founder of the renowned leftist political party, the PPP, must be proud of adding the Ahmedis as non-Muslims in the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Adnan Aamir
    May 4, 2012 - 7:33PM

    Police is just following the law, this entire outcry about this issue is senseless. People are angry about quranic verses scratched out from walls of Ahmedi prayer places but not by what ahmedis are doing?

    Ahmedis are declared non-muslims according to constitution and its good that constitution is being uphold at least on this issue. Ahmedis have equal rights to live as compared to other muslims but they cant claim to be muslims, Newspapers such as tribune should also raise voice against ahmedi propaganda


  • Laureate
    May 4, 2012 - 7:35PM

    A barbaric act. Really sad and repenting.
    1st the thing is that the matter of Ahmadiyya sect is not taken into deep interest and on the other hand doing such ridiculous things is very annoying. The decision at which everyone makes an accountability factor about Ahmadies as Unislamic was just decided in 15 minutes and that was totally Political one. Just for the sake of Arabs, Mr. Zulifqar Ali Bhutto did that happen and thats been a matter of dispute between the parties till the moment. It wasnt a Religious ammendment.

    Ahmadies use Islamic terms and everyone should be happy at it, rather than getting silly. Its just the lack of Awareness in the Public.

    I am against this Racism that is being done to Ahmadies in Pakistan. They should have full freedom to preach also. For what the Govenment and mullahs are scared of? If Ahmadiyya true, people should join it and if other one, they should go for it. What is govenment and any mullah to interfere in anyones personals?

    Everyone gets afraid of TRUTH and the situation depicts that same is the case with Pakistan. Sorry my Beloved country for you are a puppet of Politics.


  • Ashish
    May 4, 2012 - 7:37PM

    When anything happens to muslim outside Pakistan (Palestine or Kashmir) , Pakistanis are the first to cry and see what is happening in their own yard. They are making it a graveyard itself. Just for the ban on Hijab, see the hue and cry by Pakistanis and now see , what is happening to Ahemadis , Shias , Hindus , Sikhs and Christians. Hopeless situation and looking at some of the comments and the article , a dark and bleak future.Recommend

  • Basit
    May 4, 2012 - 7:37PM

    I wish, if everyone in Pakistan can follow this by Quaid-e-Azam M A Jinnah

    You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed –that has nothing to do with the business of the State. (Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on 11th August, 1947.)

    Where did we go wrong…..


  • Ahmadi
    May 4, 2012 - 7:41PM

    I just want to say that may Allah show everyone the right path. . .love for all haterd for none is the motto of Ahmadiat. . .may Allah bless jamate ahmadia with success (aameen)


  • Zohaib
    May 4, 2012 - 7:45PM

    I hate the fact that a mafia of intolerant jahil maulvis have hijacked my religion. They think they can play God and decide who’s Muslims and who’s not. The problem is not just one mosque or Ahmadis, its a manifestation of a REALLY BAD interpretation of Islam that’s being wildly propagated. We need to breed educated Muslims to step forward and speak against this mafia who think they own Islam.


  • Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen
    May 4, 2012 - 7:48PM

    Ha, ha, ha. Pakistanis protest when the Swiss do not permit construction of new minarets and at the same time destroy minarets in their own country !!! Joke of the day.


  • M-Tariq
    May 4, 2012 - 7:49PM

    Seriously Guys . Karachi is burning, Planes are crashing, Bomb blasts everywhere. Corruption is at the peak- No Food- No Electricity- No Gas-And above all No Security for Life ,BUT our Dearest Pakistanis are more worried about who is Muslim and who is not. That’s really amazing. Dear Pakistanis -We will still say


  • IZ
    May 4, 2012 - 7:50PM

    Reading all the comments by bigots applauding this action as just application of the law one would think that there was no more law-abiding country in the world than Pakistan. Of course if anyone tries to debate or use legal means to change the discriminatory anti-Ahmedi laws these same law-abiding citizens will start burning, destroying property, and murdering anyone they can get their hands on. How convenient that they hide their bigotry, hatred and immorality behind “the law”!


  • Tauqeer
    May 4, 2012 - 7:58PM

    @fahad yousaf:

    Mr. Fahad, how strange of you to say that everyone should abide the “Law…..”.

    Who made this so-called “law” and for what purpose, do you ever wake up and think!

    Recently Dr. Mubashir, in a local channel very openly admitted that this act was a political decision to please “some people” for political gains and “NOT A RELIGIOUS decision” by any means.

    Before these laws came into force, Ahmadis went to perform Hajj and lived lives as any other Muslim sect members do. Don’t you think these discriminatory laws need to be re-looked into like other such laws fostering vested interests like NRO and others which keeping on changing with the moods of the political gainers!!!Recommend

  • Patriot
    May 4, 2012 - 8:01PM

    According to Islamic rules and the constitution of Pakistan Ahmadi/Qadyani are declared as non-muslims.I shocked that some ignorant people are still considering them their muslim brothers. Qadyani are completly non-muslims and they should not use the muslim indications to mislead the muslims. It is a great step taken by Police to defend our Religion “Islam” and to apply constitution of Pakistan.


  • Shafiq Ahmed Butt
    May 4, 2012 - 8:05PM

    calling muslim and doing every thing against what Islam stands for is now a days is Mullah`s Islam in Pakistan ,disgusting and shameless act of Govt agency (POLICE) .this is done on the beautiful name of Islam ,they have no shame.may Allah have mercy on all those who are innocent victims be steadfast and never take the law in your own hands let Alone almighty Allah to respond their actions just remainsteadfast to Ahmadiyyat the true Islam and stay away from bad people.


  • kaalchakra
    May 4, 2012 - 8:05PM


    I support Muslims and Islam alone under Islam’s guidance. If you don’t like any part of it, that is your problem.


  • Hasan
    May 4, 2012 - 8:21PM

    Once again, Islam has been saved in Pakistan! Alas what about saving the latter?


  • ayesha_khan
    May 4, 2012 - 8:31PM

    @muhajir: “its in the law of Pakistan that ahmadi worship places should not bear the resemblance of a Masjid then that should be respected. “

    This worship place was built in 1960 and the Pakistani law cam ein 1974. No law was broken at the time the Masjid was built. In Switzerland there is a new law saying masjids with minarets cannot be built. But they are not giong around destroying existing mosques because of this law which came much later.

    This act had nothing to do with enforcing rule of law and everything to do with bullying and oppression of a minority.


  • Mahmood Malik
    May 4, 2012 - 8:37PM

    It is sickening to read that Quranic verses were removed from a place of worship. The noble people of this disfunctional nation should rise up in the defence of the true Islam which teaches tolerance and respect for writings of the Holy Quran and to remove these is to deny the respect and status to the Quran itself and nothing could be more unislamic. Even if these Quranic verses were not at a plcae of worrship but a house or a shop or office these are sacred and action of removing is greatet disrespect for the words of God.
    Senior police officers are suppposed to be educated and have experiennce of life and religion, they ought to display more wisdom and respect for the words of the Holy Quran. Even if you do not consider Ahmadies Muslim and their plaes of worship appear like mosques then Muslims should take pride in it. Many churches in Europe have minarates and we take pride that they wish to follow us traditions.
    National mentality is sewn with hatred and intolerance. You paper ought to make comments on this incident which you have failed to do. Recommend

  • ayesha_khan
    May 4, 2012 - 8:46PM

    @A real Bloch: “Qadyanis arent Mulims this is the verdict of 1.1 billion Muslims”

    Not true. The top 5 countries with Muslim population are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Only in Pakistan are AHmadis considered non-Muslim and only since 1974.


  • mr. righty rightist
    May 4, 2012 - 9:05PM


    Nice. U seem quite knowledgeable.


  • True Muslim Paki
    May 4, 2012 - 10:03PM

    @ayesha khan. Look at this link in times of India

    Pakistan is trying to be a truly Islamic country & infact all politicians including the corrupt ones. Even our beloved PTI chief supports this which is why there is no Condemnation from the tehreek e Insaf who generally posts comments here.Recommend

  • Hannan
    May 4, 2012 - 10:07PM

    @Agent Ali Imran:
    If it is so then those slaughtering innocent civilians in the name of God are the heroes of Islam. Those devils who destroyed the mentality of whole nation in the name of Jihad at the time when Europe was cultivating builders of modern technologies, yeah they did the right thing. And Pakistan is a land of Islam, but Mr Ali Imran! look at India, their leaders have more respect for their moral values as they resign when are found corrupt. The Islamic laws of Pakistan are as authentic as pious are the people to define them. So why do you curse Israel when Allah promised to protect Quran and not the Muslims? Jews are the nation which is going to be punished until the judgement day according to a promise of God, are not they spanking Muslims? If all this is for the well being of Islam then Allah is replying you at the other end. We as Ahmadies believe that people to respect Quran will get respect in heaven. And meaning of respect is to follow the book in daily life, not just reading it. Therefore Mr Agent Ali Imran, where we are spreading in numbers on earth, countries out of Pakistan respect us, the Ahmadies. But please see Bhutto, Zia, Shah Faisal, and now Gaddafi, they got punishment from Allah for their deeds.


  • Hassan Bajwa
    May 4, 2012 - 10:10PM

    While the ire of numerous non-ahmadis is heartening to behold I must again say that the actions off bigots are of no consequence. For more than a century the mullah orthodoxy has tried to stamp out this community and they have been spectacularly unsuccessful. Ahmadis are growing every day across the whole world. So I would actually encourage these heroic bigots who hound the ahmadis to do their best (worst) as their actions speak more to the nature of their horrendously twisted “Islam” and shows them as the.dregs of humanity that they are. It helps only the ahmadis you know. So good luck you ignorant. Go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot repeatedlyRecommend

  • yusuf
    May 4, 2012 - 10:18PM

    Why qadyani’s are asking for better attitude from Muslims??? It is not a Muslim Shria state where you can ask for your rights, its a democratic state…..majority is authority!


  • Honesty Center
    May 4, 2012 - 10:21PM

    Yet another divergent tactics of Governance ………. from main issues.
    Disgusting indeed


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 10:56PM

    @Yuri Kondratyuk:

    I admire your abilities in bringing up
    Palestine and Kashmir in a context not
    even remotely related to either.

    It is related by Human rights. How did you miss that link?


  • Mustaqeem Talish
    May 4, 2012 - 11:01PM

    The point is very simple “AHMADIS” have a different religion as they follow another man as a prophet. Then why they are trying to spread their religion using deception around the world and in Pakistan in the name of Islam. Why they call themselves as muslims when they do not follow ISLAM’s basic belief and follow another man as a prophet.
    SIKHS believe baba guru nanak to be their religious leader/prophet and have a different religion. They do not claim themselves to be muslims and Muslims have no conflict with them. Sikhs acknowledge this fact that Pakistani Government take care of their worship places and provide them with excellent facilities during their pilgrimages to Pakistan.
    AHMADIS should use their head and do an independent research of why they were declared non-muslims there must be a reason. Islam has two basic beliefs.Firstly, ALLAH is One and only ALLAH is worthy of being worshipped and secondly Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet(nabi and rasul). I think the team of Express tribune should be sensible enough to realise the sensitivity of the issue and not try to present the facts in a twisted manner just to gain international media attention.


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 11:04PM


    Well you know what is the history of
    Kashmir & Israeli, Jews have occupied
    the state & same as indian did. as it
    was clearly mentioned in Law that
    Ahmadi are not muslim,

    If Israel and India are occupying territories then human rights of Ahmadis are also occupied in Pakistan as accepted by the International Declaration of Human Rights to which the whole world as well as Pakistan is a signatory. Religious freedom is a much more important right than a piece of land for any religious person. If Pakistani authorities and mullahs can occupy that highest of rights in Pakistan then it’s hardly justified to complain of India or Israel.


  • muhammad amin
    May 4, 2012 - 11:12PM

    One thing should be clear to everyone that Ahmadys are not Muslims but they are non Muslims.It means that they are kuffar(plural of kafir,a classical term used for the people not beliving in Islam or Muhammad ismصلى الله عليه وسلم).
    Saying Ahmady Sect as Muslim sect is simply ignorance of Islamic knowledge because they do not believe in the Last Prophet Muhammad(صلى الله عليه وسلم) as required in Holy Qur’an.
    Most of the comments on this page look like written by Ahmadys to make the public opinion in the favour Ahmadyism or Qadiyanism or Ahmady Jamat.Even an ignorant Muslim can not favour the belief of Prophet after Muhammadصلى الله عليه وسلم .believing this will discharge and exclude him from Islam.
    We, the Muslims do not believe in democracy which is against basic Concepts of Islam.
    I condemn all comments and concepts posted on this page in the favour of Qadiyani or Ahmadyism.And their efforts to look like Muslims(their worship place,names or religious personalities) should be firmly demolished by Government of Pakistan.In case govt. do not show interest to do so it is then the obligation of Islamic Scholars and individual Muslims to stop their illegal and non Islamic activities by iron hand to save Islam, the beloved religion of ALLAH The Almighty.
    We do not respect and accept the rules of Democracy which allow the people to change the Rules of Qur’an.
    Live long Islam……………..Islam Zinda bad…..


  • grace
    May 4, 2012 - 11:13PM

    Should we be surprised when Ahmadis curse all Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and all Muslim countries have been against Ahmadi beliefs. Afghanistan killed a major Ahmadi scholar and they have been in civil war for over 100 years. No mainsteream scholar from a Muslim country has been tolerant or accepting of Ahmadis. I have an Ahmadi friend who says all the problems in Muslim countries are because they don’t accept Ahamadi faith. In fact they believe that all Muslim countries are in trouble because they don’t accept freedom of religion for Ahmadis. We shouldn’t be surprised when Ahmadis feel open about criticising Pakistan and all Muslim countries from Egypt to Iran to Afghanistan to Somalia. I wonder if maybe these Ahmadis are right.


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 11:14PM


    Why qadyani’s are asking for better
    attitude from Muslims??? It is not a
    Muslim Shria state where you can ask
    for your rights, its a democratic
    state…..majority is authority!

    These bigoted anti-human laws are religion based imposed by the Mullahs with the help of the best “democrat” in the history of Pakistan Hazrat Maulana Zia-ul-Haq. Your knowledge of history is commendable.


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 11:21PM


    None of them are breaking the law of
    Palestine and India as they are
    occupied by India and Isreal

    Occupation of religious rights is worst than occupation of any land. You can’t complain of one while accepting the other. Ahmadis being citizen of Pakistan does not mean you can persecute them. By that standard any persecution in any country is justified including persecution of other Muslims by any state.

    Look up apartheid in dictionary and why it was opposed. This is religious apartheid that is imposed over Ahmadis and others in Pakistan.


    May 4, 2012 - 11:25PM

    Ziaul Haq in order to remain in power did all this. Don’t forget the history of formation of Pakistan. Sir Zafarullah Khan was one of the pioneers of MUslim League when Mr. Jinnah was unknown. He was a member of Viceroys Council and he along with a Ismailee leader Sir Agha Khan deanded separate electorate for Muslims of India. Ahmedis are living in peace in Hindu and Christian States of India, Europe, America and Canada. Allah is for every one Alhamd o Lillah Rabul Almeen, He is not only the Rab of Muslims of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Kaalchakra
    May 4, 2012 - 11:27PM

    “Not true. The top 5 countries with Muslim population are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria.”

    Ayesha, you are no doubt well informed and well-intentioned, but you have developed a Hindu view of Islam.

    Ahmadis have been banned (first) in Pakistan because Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself and because Ahmadi doctrine has not been well understood by ordinary Muslims yet. As knowledge about Ahmadism spreads, Muslims in India, Bangladesh, and Indonesia have become more active in denouncing Ahmadism. We are bound to hear more of the same from Nigeria in years to come.

    Islam everywhere is the same, and Ahmadism is not Islam. The sooner Ahmadis stop offending Islam, the better it will be for everyone.


  • muhammad amin
    May 4, 2012 - 11:27PM

    @Masood Nasir:
    ahmadis are crying over spilt are condemning the action of police men as they clear the quranic ayaat from the wall of ahmadi worship place………and I condemn the action of qadiyanis to change the quranic ayaat (verses).Qadianis are against islam and quraan. they do not have right to be called as Muslims ………they have no right to write quraanic verses on the wall of their worship place as they do not bivalve in quraan….


  • Umer
    May 4, 2012 - 11:56PM

    Its interesting how so many “educated” Islamists are supporting legal and constitutional religious apartheid of Pakistani state against Ahmadis akin to the Israeli apartheid against Palestinians and apartheid era South Africa’s apartheid towards blacks.

    These Islamists by doing that accept that a religious state, by its very nature, is a fascist state which apartheids against and persecutes its people in the name of religion. This proves by Islamists’ own admission that a religious state is a curse and a bloat on the face of humanity and must be opposed by all.

    These religious bigots have thus shot themselves in the foot by accepting and justifying this apartheid against Ahmadis. And yet these very same Islamists would next claim that an Islamic state is actually better than a secular state even though secular states require equal treatment of its citizens under the law unlike an Islamic state.

    Interesting how bigotry and hate blocks one from thinking ahead.


  • anonymous observer
    May 5, 2012 - 12:12AM

    @ All haters of Islam Ahmadiyya

    How many of our mosques would you destroy?? How many of our men would you kill…In the end we know that we’ll keep on spreading and sprouting…Just for your knowledge go search for mosques in Canada in Wikipedia..And see the number of mosques which belong to AMJ (Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat) in Canada itself.

    A classical example of the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Prophet Pbuh
    “It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah”



  • Muhammad
    May 5, 2012 - 12:16AM

    If a law persecutes a group of people based on their faith, then that law should be changed and should be rejected by all peace loving citizens of that state. The anti ahmadi law is just rediculous and no one reserves the right to persecute them based on their faith. The majority of Pakis are a bunch of insecure people who think any diversion from their mainstream view of islam is a threat to their security. An insecure faith leads to insecure followers.

    THE TERM MUSLIM IS NOT A LABEL BUT RATHER A QUALITY. Any one can be a muslim who strives to spread peace. At the same time, a KAAFIR is opposite to a muslim and means a MISCHIEF MAKER. In this example, the KAAFIRS are those who are against the Ahmadis.

    The government has no right to decide who is a muslim or not.

    Pakistanis are basically religious bigots.


  • May 5, 2012 - 12:31AM

    Sadly, this is a true case of illiteracy and narrow mindedness. We Muslims are fighting to build a Mosque at ground Zero in New York City, and insist on building our place of worship (Mosque) in many places which have majority Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, and Jewish populations, but do not allow a small church or temple in Islamic societies such as Saudi Arabia. In fact we destroy places of others worship in Islamic societies. We have lost Islamic values due to Intolerance and illiteracy and that is good reason we are lagging behind all other communities of the world. We kill for blasphemy, destroy schools and colleges, destroy others places of worship, fight holy war (Jihad) against enemies of Islam, kill our own when we do not find another, and that appears to be a way of Islamization in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
    We need to educate ourselves and develop moral values first. Once that is done, we would never destroy anyone’s place of worship for sure, no matter who that is. In fact, all developed and tolerant societies allow free practice of any religion period.


  • Syed Ali
    May 5, 2012 - 1:03AM

    Mirza Qadiyani and his son Bashir themselves considered other muslims as non muslims and Qadiyani Fatawa are full of prohibting Ahmedi’s for not attending mosques, funerals or social gatherings of ” what they consider non muslims”. According to Qadiyani religion, who ever does not belive in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed like he does believe in other prophets, is non muslim. The famous case of Bawalpur in the time of British established that Muslims and Qadiyanis can not intermarry. i do not know what state of mind you are in but atleast read the books of the founding fathers of Qadiyani religion. The separation is so clear that there should not be any confusion.


  • oooh
    May 5, 2012 - 1:14AM

    @muhammad amin:
    hold on…you are claiming…in pure hatred ..a very false thing that
    “and I condemn the action of qadiyanis to change the quranic ayaat (verses)”
    this is your claim…I am afraid you are going against quran itself…as Allah has said in quaran that “I have brought this book upon humanity and I will secure it”…so if you say someone has changed the quran then you are directly going against the verse…..!!!!!


  • MMM
    May 5, 2012 - 1:18AM

    Remember one thing, Police is responsable to clean Quraan from any unIslamic building – and an Qadyani Buidling is a temple and not a Masjid or an Islamic place, therefore, it should have been removed.

    However, this is not the solution. if you want to solve this whole Israeli and UK funded firqa, you should work for re-establishment of Khilafah, which can solve this problem inshaAllah for once and all.

    They can live under khilafah, but they have to pay Jizya and also have to not call their temples Islam anymore and can’t call themselves Muslim because they are not. The followers of Mirza Kazzab can’t do any more Tabligh in this ummah, but because currently they are centered and funded in two places like UK and Tel-Aviv, and at the same time there is no Khilafah, therefore, they allowed to do whatever they want.

    For the first time in the history of Pakistan, the Police has done something good.



  • I read it too!
    May 5, 2012 - 1:21AM

    On the one hand, I feel that they should be left alone; on the other, I see it as a good thing, i.e. removing Quranic verses etc. from a non-muslims’ worship place…


  • Lala Gee
    May 5, 2012 - 1:21AM

    I am a bit confused as I am not a very religious person. Most commentators claim that Ahmedi’s are not Muslims because they do not believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of God (which my Ahmedi friend tells me they do) and that Mirza Ahmed’s claim of being Messiah (prophet) is false. At the same time most Muslims believe that Messiah (prophet) will transcend again. This a bit confusing, what is the difference between the two claims. Let’s suppose Mirza’s claim is false, and the real Messiah comes again. Will he be a Muslim and not a Christian (even though he is the one Christianity rests upon)? Will he be allowed to use Islamic terms and to claim to be a Muslim. And, if so, what is the difference between real Messiah and Mirza’s claim of being Messiah? And even if Mirza’s claim is false, what is the fault of the Ahmedis who are following him in good faith? Even worst, how can we force someone that they don’t call themselves what they believe they are, however they wrong may be. Can anyone please tell me who is on the right path, Sunni, Wahabi, or Shia, or rest of the 72 Muslim sets? Who has the final authority to judge who is right or wrong. In the days of Caliphs, as they had the highest understanding of the faith, they could have taken the decision (even then I personally do not agree killing anyone on the basis of faith or lack of it – “Laa Ikraaha Fiddin”, perhaps Al-Quran), but can we compare the “Aalims” of today with them? Do we have proprietary rights on the looks of mosques as many speak of the law (even though no two mosques in the same area have same design, Sunni and Shia mosques have different characteristics, and different countries have very different styles from other countries) so that no one else can use them. As one reader suggested, they may be required to label it as “Ahmediya Mosque” should be sufficient.


  • Humanity
    May 5, 2012 - 1:24AM

    @xainab wrote And Yes, the Qadianies must be given all sorts of protection from any kind of harassment and must be allowed to peacefully follow their beliefs as long as they do not pose themselves as Muslims.

    It seems you are posing to be a Muslim while practicing and promoting utter jahalaat ..


  • Kaalchakra
    May 5, 2012 - 1:43AM


    There is no hatred against Ahmadis. Islam does not permit hatred. If Ahmadis simply stop their war against Islam, they would be more than welcome to live peacefully with full rights, just as all other minorities live. The ball is in Ahmadi court.


  • AllahRukha
    May 5, 2012 - 2:04AM

    No one has removed kalima from any mosque, so please, don’t twist facts.

    If you have trouble deciphering the report, let me reiterate here for you.

    The policemen etched out the verses at the main gate and entrance to the main hall.

    The report can NOT mention Kalima as Ahmadis are not allowed to say Kalima and Salaam or used Bismillah, words like Islam etc. Ahmadis can be arrested for doing so.

    Is this what those so called Muslims have learned, not allowing others to recite and exhibit Kalima?


  • Imran Con
    May 5, 2012 - 2:10AM

    Muslims should be happy for the existence of Ahmedis. They’re some of the few who actually can say, without cutting off every sensory part of their bodies for a lifetime that they’re peaceful Muslims.


  • May 5, 2012 - 2:30AM


    Khadim-e-Ala and Judiciary both are culprits of committing heinous crimes against humanity and faith.


  • Nasir
    May 5, 2012 - 2:36AM


    So you are saying that stop reciting Kalima? In other words those who believe they are Muslims should not recite or write Kalima especially on Mosques? IF that’s the case then why your mosques have Quranic Verses written?

    You can call yourself Muslim but your acts are worst then non-Muslims since you are stopping people to from becoming Muslims.

    So Hush Up! Go get yourself some education before you start typing your comments here please!


  • Sobriquet
    May 5, 2012 - 2:38AM

    @Masood Nasir: You claim “the law says Ahmadis should not build their worship places which resembles a Mosque other than that they are allowed to build.”

    Who made this law and what is its justification? 2. Is there a divine law that regulates the shape and style of a Mosque? If yes, please post a link to this law. 3 Is the design of a Mosque protected by permanent (divine) copyright with selective suage rights? if yes, prove it. 4. Which law (with proof if its divine status) defines who decides who is a Muslim and who is not?

    In Islam there is a Hadith against images of all humans and animals. So if as a Muslim you watch TV, read magazines/newspapers, surf the web, have any photographs in your house, have a passport or other ID with you picture, you have broken an Islamic law. So what punishment do you deserve?


  • Lala Gee
    May 5, 2012 - 2:41AM


    “Islam everywhere is the same, and Ahmadism is not Islam. The sooner Ahmadis stop offending Islam, the better it will be for everyone.”

    Please honestly tell the ET readers which one is the true reflection of Islam. Islam as conceived by the Sunni scholars, or Islam as interpreted by Wahabi scholars, or Islam as portrayed by Shia scholars, or any of the scholars of the rest of 72 Muslim sects? Don’t tell us they are one and the same but with only minor differences. Had that been the case, there wouldn’t have killings and bomb explosions in the mosques of the other sects. Unfortunately my knowledge of religions is very limited and I am practicing even less, but I know that most scholars of the different sects do not even offer prayers in the “Imamat” of the other.

    By the way, it is amazing how Muslims like yourself get offended, rather than feel proud, by calling someone himself as Muslim. Hardly any Christian would feel offended if a group of Muslims start pretending to be Christian. So who do you believe is the true Muslim as there could only be one sect interpreting Islam correctly, otherwise there was no need to identify one with Sunni, Wahabi, or Shia sects etc. etc.


  • Nasir
    May 5, 2012 - 2:43AM

    @waqar ahmed:

    Who has given you or for that matter any Muslim an authority to decide who is Muslim or not?
    This very step is wrong itself and un-Islamic just like yourself and people who interfere in other’s faith.

    The Law itself is unconstitutional created by Blasphemous people, sanctioned by blasphemous Ulemas Of Pakistan and imposed by blasphemous people in Pakistan. All should be tried and hanged under 295c of blasphemy act.

    Will Supreme Court take this online petition against the creators of Anti_Ahmadiyya law as blasphemy against Holy Prophet of Islam and against the religion of Islam?

    Since none taught us to declare the other NON-MUSLIM but Pakistan’s Corrupt and Balsphemous National Assembly with their incompetent and bigot leaders introduced?


  • loneliberal
    May 5, 2012 - 2:49AM

    @Agent Ali Imran:
    wow, your grammar looks really English.


  • Insomniac
    May 5, 2012 - 2:53AM

    I find Ahmadiyyas more Muslim than any other sect in Islam.


  • Humanity
    May 5, 2012 - 3:28AM

    Since the last few days the “Ahmadi (non) trouble makers” were not making any waves for the saviors of Islam to stay busy with Jihad. The superior Musluims had actually start to wonder about what hit and when.

    The establishment is rather late this time in creating a smoke screen. They badly need to divert focus away from the Shareef / Jayala shenanigans busy in pulling each others pants down. with the help of the saviors of Islam. Ahmadi, Shia, Christian,s Hindus, women, weak, charity workres are easy bones to nurture the big ego feeding off off of hollow rituals in rthe name of Islam.

    How they have turned religion on its head is mind boggling. And how they have been rendered insane to inflict self destruction seems a befitting reaction of the laws of nature. As you sow so shall you reap. Where people play God, the soul of the religion simply can not exist. what remains in Pakistan is a rotting carcass of religion. God help this unfortunate nation.


  • Humanity
    May 5, 2012 - 3:39AM

    The first masjid built in London was the Ahmadiyya masjid :):)


  • Umer
    May 5, 2012 - 3:51AM

    For the bigots, to put it simply;

    a. Is it justified to persecute Ahmadis or anyone else in Pakistan by not treating them equally such as reported in this article?

    b. If the answer to above is yes then how is an Islamic state better than a secular state where citizens are equal under the law?

    So which one is it? As you Islamists can not have it both ways.


  • atif
    May 5, 2012 - 4:04AM

    shame on you, pakistani police and mulla


  • Umer
    May 5, 2012 - 4:15AM

    @Lala Gee:

    As one reader suggested, they may be
    required to label it as “Ahmediya
    Mosque” should be sufficient.

    Why? Is this requirement also applied to other sects? If not then this is discriminatory behaviour and that is exactly the problem; as soon as you start with discriminatory attitude this becomes a slippery slope and before you know human lives are being lost and not only of those who you start with but also of other sects. Pakistan’s present situation where almost all sects are being killed is exactly the outcome of such behaviour.


  • Ilyad
    May 5, 2012 - 5:06AM

    @Ashar: …and see where it got ZAB, and the rest of his family for that matter. Don’t ask for Allah’s wrath. Every Pakistan leader is answerable to Allah for the rights of all its citizens. Historically, every Pakistani leader since 1974 has been disgraced out of office, Pakistan has never seen any peace. Ziaul Haq took this Ahmadi hate campaign to another level and it was hard to identify him. So if you want to hate someone for the sake of joining the band wagon then be ready to face the same consequences, as you are guilty by association. I would rather suggest you try to learn what the Ahmadiyya sect preaches, use your own judgement, and then come to your own conclusion. The problem with this country is that there are too many pseudo-intellectuals with superficial knowledge. Good luck….


  • Iron hand
    May 5, 2012 - 6:20AM

    @Antebellum: Modern democracies have laws that protect minorities, to avoid the “tyranny of the majority” that is the risk of unprincipled people wielding majority rule.


  • Yaida M
    May 5, 2012 - 6:51AM

    What a primitive society !! Hasn’t developed in 1000 years.


  • basharat
    May 5, 2012 - 6:57AM

    Holy Quran is word of God which has been revealed for all human being, every one irrespective of his can read it, and practise upon its teachings if he so desires. After promulgation of ordinance XX 1984 it was challenged before Federal Shariat Court, the case has been reported as Mujeebur Rehman vs Federation of Pakistan, PLD FSC 1985. The Petitioner asked following questions from the court,
    Can a non muslim believe in oneness of God,
    Can a non muslim believe Muammad pbuh to be truthful in all his claims,
    Can a non muslim adopt Quran as his way of life,
    if answer is in negative the court was requested to refer Nass from Holy Quran and Sunnah. The Court answered the questions in affirmative saying that there is no such prohibition.
    Second Amendment into the constitution and Ordinance XX 1984 are contrary to constitution of Pakistan, United Nations Charter of Human Rights and other international conventions to which Pakistan is a signatory. Ahmadis are muslims or not muslims will be decided in the hereafter, they are at least human beings this fact is sufficient to entitle them all human rights which are are being denied to them in Pakistan since long. Ahmadis can construct a mosque but cannot call this structure a mosque.


  • abc
    May 5, 2012 - 7:33AM

    Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself

    Qadian is in INDIA. Lol at your geographical knowledge.


  • observer
    May 5, 2012 - 8:25AM


    Ahmadis have been banned (first) in Pakistan because Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself

    Qadian- the birth place of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the leader of Ahmadia faith, is located in Gurdaspur District of Punjab province of INDIA.

    But I guess, facts, to your feverish mind, don’t really matter.


  • Kaalchakra
    May 5, 2012 - 8:42AM

    Nasir bhai, I have plenty of education.

    Lala Gee

    I would be the happiest to see more people become Muslims. But I would not wish to add a few more numbers if these ‘Muslims’ used the garb of islam to spread a completely different religion to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

    Suppose you were absolutely sure that Ahmadis were trying to do that, would you still welcome them as “Muslims’?


  • Jari
    May 5, 2012 - 9:01AM

    These days police is active in doing this type of activities against innocent Ahmadies, Christians, Hindus, Shias. Time will come when God Almighty will come down to protect his verses and his people. Then there will be no body who can protect them against His Jalal. On that day maulvi will not be there to intercede. Ahmadies are registering their FIR to Allah Almighty all over the world. inshallah God Almighty will definitely catch them and their leaders. Then there will be nobody to protect them against His Might. Pakistan is very small country on earth.God almighty has given a little respite. inshallah a time is coming when everyone is answerable for its deeds. I am surprised when terrorists attack on them police has nothing to say or condemn. They get their worst criminal out of jail, and police just look at them and also get killed. Their policeman ship is only for innocent Ahmadies.


  • Change
    May 5, 2012 - 10:46AM

    Why is it we always believe what we are told to believe? When it comes to religion we never bother to research. Why such harsh rigidness instead of understanding and tolerance?
    Islam was never meant to be so conservative to encourage killing in the name of religion, to erase verses from a place of worship or to expel students from schools.
    For once why don’t we properly research about the community, their belief, the truth and facts about that belief. The exalted rank, the undying respect and love for our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH) IS *SAME!*
    The community should be allowed to clarify the wrong beliefs attached to its name. How do they do this when they are not even allowed to speak about their religion!
    I just pray one day we all have enough sense to atleast give one chance to the community to explain its belief.
    May Allah bless us with the right path. Ameen


  • Anonymous
    May 5, 2012 - 10:47AM

    It is not ayesha_khan who has Hindu view of Islam. She has the right view of Islam. You have introduced the caste system into it. Ahmediyas cannot do this , cannot do that, cannot sell their product, cannot worship Allah the way they want to. It seems the northerners of South Asia invented caste system and are not able to get out of it. They pursue it by other means, Even the conversion to Islam has not helped,


  • Nasir Ahmad
    May 5, 2012 - 10:57AM

    Oh…. can even they think that Allah Almighty is happy with their act of removing kalma? Should people of Pakistan and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or PM gift them a special prize because they have saved Islam? Why don’t they they announce a new relegion as per their own wishes becasue what they are doing is not taught by Hazrat Muhammad SAW


  • Saad Khwaja
    May 5, 2012 - 11:17AM

    So basically, unemployment, poverty and violence in Pakistani society do not hurt the feelings of these so called muslims but a few inscriptions on a mosque do apparently. Such is the level of Hypocrisy in our society today.


  • Mirza Saleh
    May 5, 2012 - 11:56AM

    What a joke? I feel normal when I heard such NEWS, as these are the last nails in the coffin of …………………………… , you guys know well.

    Element of surprise is that the local non-Ahmadies have no object on it.But a couple of irrelevant (i don’t have words to describe them) are demanding the abolishment. They live 15 kilometers away from the said building, don’t they have other things to care for.They should search in their own mohallah or society that how many children are learning Quran, how many people go to mosques to offer prayers. But, today, abolishing other sects or religions is much more necessary rather propagating one’s own religion or practising it.

    I can only pray to Almighty for the sack of my religion and my people. may Almighty keep us blessed (amen)


  • love4all
    May 5, 2012 - 12:27PM

    it is very shameful act, who are we to say anything about someones faith. Being a Muslim it is very disgusting what message we are sending to the world. It is very shameful act. I feel very sorry.


  • Kashan
    May 5, 2012 - 1:43PM

    What kind of Islam these policemen are spreading in front of non muslims?


  • observer
    May 5, 2012 - 2:13PM

    Likely Headlines a couple of year hence-

    Islamabad- 5th May,2014. Police have arrested some non-Muslims on the charge of trying to look like Muslims. The Inspector said that these people had Two Legs, Two Hands, One Head and a Beard. It is obvious that these non-Muslims were trying to impersonate Muslims for nefarious purposes.


  • Omar
    May 5, 2012 - 2:13PM


    shame on you fahad yousaf. pathetic move by the police. everyone should have a fair chance to practice their religion in peace religion in peace

    Then let them practice their OWN religion. Dont try to say they are MUSLIMS.
    Because then that makes it personal. We wont interfere with you, if you dont interfere with US.


  • hafiz M.asif
    May 5, 2012 - 3:23PM

    quid-e-azam said ” all peoples in pakistan have the religious freedom”. do you think in pakistan all peoples have religious freedom?????


  • Ak
    May 5, 2012 - 4:35PM

    Signs of fascism in Pakistan. Good luck!


  • MAK
    May 5, 2012 - 8:12PM

    So, In Pakistan laws are for only minority groups. No laws for Mullah & Terrorist who are damaging image of Pakistan


  • Tilmeez
    May 5, 2012 - 8:21PM

    despite of all the disputes going on between the sects, they should at least respect the holy verses of the Holy Qur’an.Yes. It was the same “Code of life” which was supposed to be the “Code of state issues”.But they don’t know that they are blindly refusing their code of life. They are encouraging hatred for the thing, they show their utmost boundries of love.
    Alas and much sorrow for this nation, which is blindly refusing the truth of its own cause of existence.


  • Jehangir
    May 5, 2012 - 8:55PM

    Well writing kalima or quranic verses on Qadiani place of worship is impermissible because it hurts muslims’ religious semtiments becoz the scholars and the state have declared Qadianis as non muslims so a non muslim using muslim symbols in thier worship place is obviously something sinister.


  • Sultan
    May 5, 2012 - 9:22PM

    There is nothing in Martial Law Ordinance XX about the architecture allowed to Ahmadis


    May 5, 2012 - 10:09PM

    My head hangs with shame. The Police instead of prohibiting people from such acts indulging in defiling Quranic Verses and demolishing the dome or minaret of mosque? Did Mr. Jinnah in collaboration with Sir Zafaullah Khan Khan ( An Ahmadi) and Sir Agha Khan ( Imam of Seveners) struggled for this kind of Pakistan.


  • AllahRukh
    May 5, 2012 - 10:25PM

    * a non muslim using muslim symbols in thier worship place is obviously something sinister.*

    Who gave you the right to declare someone Muslim or non-Muslim? Do you have any examples from the life of the Prophet (SAW) where he stopped any one from reciting or exhibiting Kalima?

    It is far more sinister to judge people and stop them from practicing religion. No wonder how screwed up the state of Islam in Pakistan is. Coming down to Muslims killing Muslims in suicide bombing!!!


  • basharat
    May 5, 2012 - 10:52PM

    [email protected] where is prohibition for Ahmadis to write or recite kalimah Tayyiba, it is not property of state or any so called religious scholar. Ahmadis are Muslims according all the definitions taught from time to time, by the holy Prophet pbuh. The state as well as molvis have no authority to declare any one to be non muslim, Article 20 of the constitution is relevant in this regard which is reproduced below, Article 20.
    1. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
    Subject to law, public order and morality
    (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion, and
    (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain
    and manage its religious institutions.
    Ordinance XX of 1984 was brain child of the worst usurper Ziaul Haq, for which he had no constitutional authority to promulgate. This dictator had sown poisonous seeds of hatred and bigotry and the country is heading towards anarchy and destruction, after Ahmadis Shia muslims are being persecuted with impunity.


  • 66
    May 6, 2012 - 1:39AM

    I dont get this so does this law say that only muslims can right quranic verses on the walls of their holy building and then if they see it written somewhere else they can scrape it off. Just madness. The whole point of what the verses actually mean is forgotten. If I was muslim I would love to see the verses being given so much importance and being used to display the beauty of islam.

    Pakistan is heading in a downward spiral and the so called educated are the ones who are leading it to that point. The right wing idiots will do what they have to but the educated pretend to be modern but all they believe is in the law of the jungle where the majority suppresses the minority till they either leave or accept the views of the majority even if it is completely senseless. Shame on the people who simply hide behind senseless laws such as the blasphemy law and laws agains ahmedis. Banana republic indeed.;


  • Tahir Islam
    May 6, 2012 - 7:39AM

    Live & let live . There are more important & delicate matters to be taken care of . However masri shah where this incident happened one or two murders is a routine over car parking issue or over an abuse . Tolerance is lacking in Pakistani society which could be revived , HOW? , it couldn’t be answered . Let the time take its course .


  • Nasir
    May 6, 2012 - 9:03AM

    Shameful and pathetic – another day typical day in the land of the mullah


  • kamran naqvi
    May 6, 2012 - 4:08PM

    This is horrendous … Ahmadi’s are equal citizens and should have the right to live and practice their religion freely in their motherland. Whether we consider them representing green or white part of flag .. they are equal Pakistani. They should be allowed to design mosques the way they like. This article of constitution which restrict them calling themselves Muslims and
    Even saying Salam, is highly un Islamic and against basic human rights.


  • Kashif
    May 6, 2012 - 4:19PM

    Gift of free judiciary and a democratic government.


  • Mudassar
    May 6, 2012 - 5:28PM

    These so called Muslims, are scraching Quran from mosque and pastor Tery Jones is
    burning Quran.I cannot see any difference between them both are doing the same.
    Its time to think.


  • Nasir
    May 6, 2012 - 5:32PM

    Let Allah decide who is a muslim and who is not – this is a shameful act by the authorities. pakistan needs to adopt love for All hatred for none


  • Bakhat Khan
    May 6, 2012 - 5:47PM

    We should also see the other side of the story:


  • May 6, 2012 - 6:09PM

    If an Islamic verse is written on a church in the west, will it be blasphamy? I think the Muslims all over the world will be proud of this and will be telling every one that a verse has been found written on one of the churches in UK or USA.


  • Lala Gee
    May 6, 2012 - 7:23PM


    “if these ‘Muslims’ used the garb of islam to spread a completely different religion to both Muslims and non-Muslims. … Suppose you were absolutely sure that Ahmadis were trying to do that, would you still welcome them as “Muslims’?”

    I wonder why anyone would need to do that. Eventually they have to tell the new entrants what they really are. Do you think that the educated people, as they have the highest number of highly educated people in their community, cannot see what they really are and they have been defrauded. Who could stop them leaving and denouncing Ahmediyat.

    A long time ago, about 20 years, I listened the Friday Sermon of Dr. Israr Ahmad in Masjid-Dar-Us-Salam, in the Lawrence Garden. By chance it was about Ahmediyat and the main points (which really surprised me) I can recall were:

    A. They supported Quaid-e-Azam and the demand of Pakistan.

    B. Ahmedis services by the likes of Sir Zafarullah Khan, the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan, for the Muslim world (Palestine and Kashmir) were significant.

    C. Mirza sahib also did some service to Muslims by challenging and debating with the aggressive Christian Missionaries and the leaders of extremist Arya-Samaj Hindu movement and defeated them.

    D. Mirza sahib’s claim of being Messiah and hence a prophet is false.

    E. If Ahmedis disassociate themselves from Mirza sahib, they present Islam in a realistic way.

    His sermon, I felt, was a combination of moral courage and contradiction that left me wondering for some time.


  • waqar ahmed
    May 7, 2012 - 10:50AM

    Well if you live in Pakistan u need to Follow constitution of the Country.
    people are always crying for exceptions.
    but there is no point of argument we have to follow the law.
    Please wait till people like you can change the law and constitution of the country.
    till then behave like a law abiding citizen of the country and promote its compliance.


  • Nazim
    May 7, 2012 - 2:33PM

    @fahad yousaf:
    Dear Fahad,
    I agree that their is nothing more than Law, and everyone should follow the Law. But I believe for Islam, the Law is made by the Almighty Allah and is taught by Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) – Peace of Allah be upon him. And it says “Everyone is Muslim who believe in Kalima Tayyaba”, so when any Ahmadi is believing in Kalima Tayyaba, and placing the respectful Kalima on the walls of their Mosues, than it means he has firm beleive on it. Therefore, no wordly law who is inferior than Law of Allah, should stop it.


  • N khan
    May 8, 2012 - 9:56AM

    For how long will we allow our incapable leaders, politicians to play with the fate of innocent Pakistani Ahmadis.


  • nasr mta
    May 9, 2012 - 9:15AM

    it reminds me the following Khutba of Khalifa Rabbeh ,May Allah rest his souls in the heavens.


  • jamil lone
    May 10, 2012 - 3:15AM

    For me ,tolerance mercy and forgiveness are a part of what makes Islam so great and to me all these intolerable and dastardly acts against minorities are shamefuil.More Sunnis need to raise their voices against injustice.
    Jamil Lone.
    New York


    May 10, 2012 - 9:51AM

    after facing so much hatred still we believe in “love for all hatred for none” this is what the real islamic teachings are !!!! only allah knows who is better in taqwa ,no body in this world has right to decide and tag ….


  • Noor ul Amin
    May 13, 2012 - 2:39PM

    Its really sad what is being done in the name of our beautiful religion Islam. May Allah guide the ignorant towards true purposes if religion and the mosque to create peace and harmony and the duty of police in a civilized society is make sure such people and places are protected. Its really very sad!! May Allah grant enough courage and patience to members of the community and May Allah wake all those people who are sleeping even when such grave injustice is happening in front of them. Aameen!!


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