He said that they were behind kidnappings in the country and were being helped by terrorist groups.
The chief justice asked the defence counsel if the agencies had any credible information of the involvement of RAW and Mossad, and why they did not take any against them. “We did not bar you from taking action against RAW and Mossad.”
Terming the intelligence agencies’ reply on Adiala missing persons unsatisfactory, the apex court on Friday took suo motu notice against the abduction of a boy who used to provide food at camps set up by the relatives of missing persons outside parliament.
A three judge-bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry directed Inspector General of Police Islamabad and Attorney General of Pakistan Maulvi Anwarul Haq to submit a report of the incident by March 17 and present the abductee before the court on March 19.
Addressing Maulvi Anwarul Haq and Raja Irshad, counsel for ISI and MI, the chief justice said that this time a man was abducted right under the nose of the federal government. Advocate Tariq Asad the counsel for missing persons told the court that Omar Mehmood Khan was picked up by the intelligence agencies because he used to serve the food to the families at the missing persons’ camp at D-Chowk (in front of the Parliament).
Raja Arshad rejected the allegations, stating that the military intelligence agencies were not involved in missing persons’ episodes.
A family recently returned from Canada through a letter had informed the Human Rights Cell of the apex court that one of their family members, Omar Mehmood Khan, 24, was abducted by the agencies on March 10 near Orchid Scheme in Islamabad.
“After going through the contents of the letter last night, we issued notices to IGP Islamabad that what kind of high-handedness was underway by none other than officials of agencies, even in the federal capital city,” the chief justice informed the attorney general.
The letter suggests that Omar was kidnapped in the same style as was used in picking up many other missing persons. Men driving two double cabins with tinted glasses, a black corolla, a white Suzuki Baleno and a Suzuki Mehran picked up the boy in front of his father, mother and a younger brother.
Omar’s mother, Dr Rubina was also present in the court today. The chief justice, while calming her down, said that “we will not allow anyone to act above the law”, adding that the agencies were not above the Constitution.
Advocate Raja Irshad asked the court why all blame was leveled on the ISI and MI. The chief justice said that, “We respect our armed forces and intelligence agencies, but when they detracted then the court and media expressed concerns and you cannot stop us from this.”
During the last hearing, the court had rejected explanatory reports submitted by the lawyer of the agencies and termed them unsatisfactory, and had also sought a detailed report from the chief secretary of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The K-P chief secretary submitted a report on the health of inmates today, which was appreciated by the court.
Counsel for detainee Hafiz Majid, Advocate Tariq Asad informed the court that his client was suffering from Cancer and Hepatitis C, and asked that permission be granted to shift him to Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital in Lahore.
The court was informed that the health condition of at least three prisoners was still not satisfactory. The chief justice asked Raja Irshad how the detainees were being treated. “Were they not human? Why a fair trial right was denied to them? We will proceed against you after deciding initial things - you will tell us how the four of them died in your custody.”
Advocate general of K-P will submit a report within three days on which internment centers inmates will be kept at. The court also asked him to arrange a place where relatives of these inmates could see them easily.
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stop this bizzare accusation on other countries try to luk into ur own backyard.WE PAKISTANI always fabricate senseless consipiracy theories to hide our failures nd blame other countries enough is enough i dont want any documented evidence and i know that they cant produce any evidence just listen what the families of poor misssing persons say u will know the reality dont be an illiterate nation try to explore the reality.IF OK INDIA ND ISRAEL R INVOLVED IN TERRORISM INSIDE PAKISTAN THEN JUST PUT FORWARD CREDIBLE SOLID EVIDENCE.COME ON PAKISTANIS WE CANT CONVICT AN ORDINARY TERRORIST DUE TO LACK OF EVIDENCE IS THIS FAULT OF RAW ND MOSSSAD.I M A PATRIOTIC BUT REALISTIC PERSON.
@Truth Teller: As of today, 64% of the survey respondents agreed that RAW or the Mossad were involved. What was that you wrote about "morons and idiots"?
Pakistan was lucky to acquire the nuclear bomb. The Israeli's will ensure they do not keep it. As for the break up of Pakistan, if Pakistani's don't care about Pakistan why would the Israeli's or the Indian's....
@Adam: This may help: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2115584/Pakistan-ISI-admits-supporting-insurgency-Indias-Northeast.html
Pakistan has to remember, that it is a risky business to do business with India especially by opening its borders. The very businessmen could be RAW agents and their partners in crime. This is no time to open arms and heart to India for business that would require the back and forth travel between the two countries as that opens doors to RAW to create terrorism on Pakistani soil. Pakistan should hold off doing business with India until it has better systems to safeguard its people and Nation.
We will die laughing! It's not the same Pakistan when half truth were told like in 65 & 71. Thanks to President Musharraf in freeing the media, nothing is hidden anymore. Don't take us as fools anymore!
Get Real! Please do not take the people of Pakistan as morons & idiots. Do you want to buy Broklyn bridge for $ 100 & Eiffel tower for $ 200? Had a good laugh!!!!!!
Pakistan will survive through this period inshallah. We hope and sincerely pray that who ever is making troubles for pakistan will end up falling in the same hole that they are trying to dig for Pakistan. We Pakistanis stand with our Army and agencies, what ever they are doing they are doing to protect Pakistan.
How did the council for ISI/MI miss men from Mars and women from Venus?
Consider the lack of logic in ISI 's statements: 1) The accusation so far has been that India was funding the Baloch insurgents. Now India is also accused of killing them? 2) If RAW was capable enough to kill people in in Pakistan who would be the 3 people it would pick? Dawood Ibrahim who was responsible for serial bombings in Mumbai in 1993 and lives in Karachi, Hafiz Saeed who India believes is responsible for 26/11 and Masood Azhar whose organization actually took responsibility for trying to bomb the Indian parliament. Why would it go around killing random Baloch doctors and intellectuals?
Embellished and fabricated statement.CIA's involvement's chances in this regard may never be ignored.
@peshawari: This is exactly the reason RAW and Mossad paid agents agenda is to weaken the Pak army and its intelligence agencies. Army and ISI are the eyes and ears and our enemy wants to take that out to soften the target. Pak media has tons of paid agents of RAW, CIA and Mossad to create Pakistan into a secular country and take the Islam out of its people. SAFMA is one organisation and there are lot of TV achors and writers are traitors and for little gain they are selling the country. Pakistan was created for muslims and Islam. I hope Allah swt will protect from these traitors.
Also, I am kind of happy at how much importance is assigned and credit is given to RAW in Pakistan!!!
RAW is a useless agency which even failed to detect 26/11 attacks. RAW is full of oversized, overaged, slow bureaucrats. Also, most of them are veggie eating weaklings.
And I wonder why RAW has not eliminated Dawood Ibrahim from Pakistan, when it can conduct such secretive and effective operations right under the nose of ISI.
Also one question to rational Pakistanis (others, please excuse)...
If RAW is supporting Baloch liberation then why is it killing Balochs?
Somehow, logic is the one that is the rarest of rare commodities in Pakistan.
People also calimed RAW supports TTP, while TTP openly declares that it will fight Indian army alongside Pak army if India ever attacks.
Such irrationality cannot be found in other failed states like Somalia or Afghanistan.
@Adam: Why should the indian govt question the missing terrorists from across the border in India. We are happy with their 'missing' status...
@DILU: We are with our own agencies and believe whatever they say. Which apparently is the actual problem....
@Adam: The Indian empire extended till Iran[ the land of the Aryans the Aryavarth] mentioned in the vedas], up north, towards the east till vietnam[which has Hindu temples] , Cambodia, indonesia sumatra, Garud[the king of birds] the airlines of indonesia are Hindu names , down south to the Maldives and including the Lakshadweep islands [one lakh islands], what do you want us to claim? I am an Aryan who came from central asia so I want all these lands! Will any one give them to me! I am dreaming!
@Afghan Karachite: I am dismayed that you speak ill about Indians.Baluchistan was part of India once upon a time and the most powerful goddess's temple is located there! Why shall we harm any baloch? And as an Afghan can you own up the responsiblity of the destruction of the Buddhas and the 500 Hindu temples which were destroyed by your mullah brigade!
@Mohsin: Why do you have such a great impression about ISI? They were living on American aid till now. The day the aid is cut off who will fund them? And how will they function. Poking their nose into every aspect of the country. Have you heard at any time that the Indian army is messing around in civilian affairs?What is ISI? What good is it doing for your country? Going from house to house and asking people if they have any problems? Have you made a check on their incomes etc?
@wonderer: You will wait for ever!
@Zaid Hamid: Ha! Ha! you are funny! Keep entertaining us! We like your sense of humour and your barbs!
@Adam:Hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Hindus have been kicked out of Kashmir. They live in camps outside while their palaces and residences have been desecrated by hooligans! What has the Indian govt done for them? Now they are talking about sending back the kashmiri Hindus to the valley. Too litte too late! Justice delayed is justice denied!
The only missing persons in Kashmir are militants who have gone to Pakistan to be trained by agencies there. So for so called missing perons in Kashmir, ask the Pak agencies.
I am surprised why Tribune is not carrying in detail the proceeding in Pakistan supreme court where clear evidense has been laid out how officials of army and isi have stolen hundreds of millions in the Mehrangate scam.
MI and ISI should have the courage to accept the facts tnan to deny it. People are not fool enough to beleive that RAW AND MOSAAD came and kidnapped the missing persons and taken them away out of Pakistan. What nonsence they are talking. Stop killings and kidnapping before another Bangladesh is carved out of Pakistan. Some one can say that Bangladeshis were killed by RAW and MSAAD too.
@Some Pakistani: OMG! You typed in an entire press release of ISPR. Please have mercy, as people don't have the patience to sift through your propaganda.
10,000 missing persons in Indian-held Kashmir. Has the Supreme Court of India dared to question the Indian government on this matter? Or the Indian media?
@Concern1: "for anything which happens in India of Israel they put the blame on ISI, "
I don't think Israel even bothers enough about Pakistan to blame it. India has blamed Pakistan in the past for insurgency in Kashmir and pushing jehadis there. Pakistan used to deny it but people like Hamid Gul have admitted that ISI did do those things - so India was not lying. Similarly for 26/11 India blamse LeT (not ISI) due to the testimony not just of ajmal Kasab in India but David Headley aka Dawood Gilani in USA. India does not blame ISI for 'everything'. For example the MAoist insurgency is homegrown as was the insrgency in ASSam (which has now been resolved) . No-one has blamed ISI for that. In other words India does not accuse ISI blindly - only when it has proof. Proof which it has shared with Pakistan i leadership who has chosen not to act on it. Pakistan however has not provided any proof to India or anyone else bout India's involvement in Balochistan. India has no interest in doing that.
India for example never denied supportingMukti Bahhini because India was getting millions of refugees from what was then East Bengal. If India is involved, it says that.
anyway glad to see that the judges are holding MI/ISI accountable for proving their allegations. Clearly they are not as gulible as the aam Pakistani junta which is very emotional and naively trusting.
Just wondering... If the RAW is doing all this in Pakistan, why haven't it eliminated the likes of Hafeez Saeed, who was the mastermind and leader behind the Mumbai attack and other dozens of attacks in India? One would have assumed that the likes of Hafeez Saeed would have been on the top of the hit-list of the Indians.
@Adam: "A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran"
Iran openly says it will destroy Israel. So Mossad has every reason to be operating in iran. Why should it operate in Pakistan however
If RAW and Mossad Kidnap the citizens then how come the four tortured persons who were designated as missing, are recovered from the agency?
@Reddy: you're right, it's not like Pakistan has nukes or anything which are hard for India/Israel to swallow /sarcasm. As for over estimating our global position, we must be pretty important if US is begging us to bring Taliban to table and saying there is no solution without Pakistan ;) oh yeah and if we aren't important then why do indian trolls flock to Pakitani sites? lmao
My car keys are missing since last night too. It turns out I left them in the lab, but too ashamed to admit my indiscretion, I told everyone the perpetrators were RAW and Mossad.
I also read about the forced conversions of Hindus in Pakistan; that must be the work of RAW and Mossad; typical nexus-of-evil (India, Israel, USA) propaganda to make Pakistan look bad on the world stage.
While we're at it, let's also blame the persecution of the Ahmadis on RAW/Mossad. It is the only logical explanation.
I don't get what we've got against Israel; they are neither enemies nor friends (we have no contacts with them whatsoever), and yet they are public enemy #3. For god's sake end this hypocrisy; we're lying ourselves to the brink.
Food for Thought / Khyaali Pulao: Pakistan will never become Korea or Burma. The military establishment of Pakistan is US sponsored.
@Warsi: To make it appear as if they were kidnapped by Govt. or Intelligence agencies. Understand the complexities here.
Doesn't matter what these insecure indians say, there are clear cut evidences of foreign hands in destabliziing balochistan and rest of Pakistan.
These foreign hands are none other than India and CIA and somewhat mossad.
Remember in last few years where our security strip naked a fake "Pakistani" who wasn't even circumcised and seized indian made weapons in swat.
Our ISI just stated what all of us Pakistanis, and most in the world already know!
RAW's notorious activities in Pakistan, especially in Baluchistan and KPK have been unearthed and proven so many times now that its just pointless to state the same again.
I just wonder why all of you Indians here, disguising your real identities and hiding behind Muslim names- desperately exhaust all your energies in your useless, pathetic efforts to weaken the Pakistanis' morale and resolve? I mean its all just so obvious!
Anyways, once again.. I mean ONCE AGAIN.. listen up closely and carefully.. You guys have done your best, played your dirty cards. But its just not working that well for Bharat Maata anymore, is it? I am sure you guys can feel it, though you may not want to admit that. And, (though i'm sure this is gonna be painful for you to hear, fact is..we just love our land, Pakistan IS our love! No matter what you do, no matter how hard you try.. unfortunately that IS how it stands today, and that IS how it is going to stay! Please go away and do something useful. Stop rejoicing over the sheer bulk of your population, the fact it, it just makes you the largest group of collective liars in the world, simply for not doing or even saying or even supporting what the right thing is in Kashmir!
ALSO, please note that we love our army, and we definitely respect OUR intel agencies for standing up and facings the biggest challenge that a country could face.. unreliable, conspiring big fat Hindustan to the east, and the no-longer-friendly Afghanistan-home and training centre of the RAW trained suicide bombers to the west. And yes, the great CIA itself, has also been quite busy here. I mean if you guys think Raymond Davis, and the likes that are regularly 'nabbed' from various cities of Pakistan almost daily are here for recreational purposes.. then God help you.
@Noor Muhammad: It is the job of foreign agencies to be involved and serve the interests of their country. The question is are our agencies doing their job or crying like a baby? After so much investment and perks all we get is OBL in military base and Baloch youth disappearing and found dead. Thanks and regards, Mirza
The agencies will have to convince the Court that what they said under oath is the truth. If they are involved, which cannot be denied in theory, they need to be exposed in reality.
Military establishment has turned Pakistan into a security state. If things do not change, we may come down to countries like North Korea and Burma. Unless civil society, media, judiciary do not put a united opposition to limit military's role in politics, defence and foreign relations.. things will become even worse than they are right now.
**We love our agencies and have full faith in them. We are with Pakistan, it armed forces and our agencies
If "RAW and Mossad are involved" then what the hell ISI and MI are doing?
Since ISI and MI are unable to intercept then let's abolish these agencies and use this money for something else.
What a rubbish !!!
@Umer: I agree with you posts 100%, thanks for telling like it is. The reason naming RAW and Mossad not CIA is simple. We depend upon the US aid. Any such talk would bring a more vocal majority in the US out against Pakistan and in favor of missing Baloch. We do not get anything from RAW and Mossad so no harm in naming them. To some even the floods, earthquakes and rain only happen due to the conspiracy of the others. Even sun shines or does not shine without CIA, RAW and Mossad. The new leaks from the Abbottabad Commission infer that OBL was perhaps in the custody of RAW and Mossad that is why the guard did not fire a single shot against the Americans! Thanks and regards, Mirza
Indians please use your own online website for maligning Pakistani agencies. We are with our own agencies and believe whatever they say.
Pakistan really over estimates it's global position and exaggerates it's ability to umpteenth level,but i still don't get it. what's there in pakistan that remotely interests India, Israel,US.why would any person in his right mind would invest his energy ,money,resources to destabilize a country which goes haywire on mere 500 words letter or where one Credit rating agency's verdict itself proven to be fatal to the country's economic future,this is beyond understanding.
A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran
Read it yourself:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag?page=0,0
@Mr. Righty rightist, http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag?page=0,0
@Cautious, blaming ISI is more of a "conspiracy theory" but hey you're a troll anyways so I doubt you'll understand.
It's obvious they're involved but the point is why can't ISI stop them?
This is very true!! RAW is in fact the biggest terror agency operating in Pakistan!!! I wonder why no one is talking about them !! How can ISI kill its own people, and what are they getty from killing their own people??
I can understand foreign hands are involved a lot in Pakistan but why would RAW and MOSSAD kindnap those who are protesting against the govt?
Dear ISI,
I don't mind you naming RAW and CIA again and again for all the ills in your country.
But for god's sakes, stop naming MOSSAD. Israel is neither your neighbor, nor do they have a war in your neighborhood.
One thing is certain though, there is a solid majority in Pakistan who will believe in your facts!!!
@Pakistan politics:
Those who believe such stories without evidence are the real fools.
Those who think foreign hands in pakistan are not involved are the fools of century
I think it is a conspiracy by aliens to defame the glorious nation of Pakistan. The statement by the MI would have been disgusting if it weren't so hilarious.
Aren't Indians always claiming ISI controls groups from Kashmir to North East of India? How humiliating is that fror RAW and it's abilities?
When is India going to reclaim the 40,000 square km of Aksai Chin it lost to China in 1962?
They take us for fools, really big fools. well some us are really big fools because there are many who believe them
Why is inter alia Aksai Chin and the vast area in northern Kashmir extending from Chhogori peak (K2) to the Kukalang pass in the Kuen Lun range in Kashmir not being depicted as part of Kashmir in the map? So much for the solidarity of Pakistan with the Kashmiris.
ISI and MI need to take their training from RAW and MOSSAD from now on as by their on admission RAW and MOSSAD are better.
Does anyone forget CIA renditions? Yes, there is some external agencies involvement is destabilising Pakistan and the missing people. Anyone who says there is no foreign involvment is a fool.
@Street View:
If we do not stop depending on conspiracy theories for all our problems, even Allah will not help us. The displeasure of Allah has already started becoming visible to those who are not blind.
I hadnt had a laugh for a long time. After reading ISI MI reply in court i cant stop laughing out loud
RAW and MOSSAD are conspiring and mailigning Pakistan. Otherwise Pak is land of pure. They are involved in - Converting Hindu girls to Islam, Helping Taliban, Baluchis, turning US-afghan against Pakistan, conspiring 26/11 in Mumbai to indict Pakistan, Banning Basant, etc.
What a truly bizarre accusation. This would have caused an uproar anywhere in the world. What a Kafkaesque society Pakistan has turned into!!!
I hope rational Pakistanis will see through this.
@Zaid Hamid:
How????
@Umer:
The Chief Justice will make sure the allegation against RAW and Mossad is substantiated with adequate and irrefutable evidence. It is high time we nailed these foreign agencies.
I shall be waiting for it, and I hope ET will keep a track of it.
Seriously. You want people to buy that RAW and MOSSAD has too much time on thier hand to mess an already messed up country ?
They forgot CIA..but it is okay atleast RAW and MOSSAD involvement has been proved.
i was a fan of our intelligence agencies but after this case they have lost all their charisma in my eyes..... this is needed to be stop as it is not only crime according to Pakistani law but by any definition of law.......
How is RAW and MOSSAD successful in Pakistan despite ISI and MI? Isn’t this an admission by ISI and MI of their incompetence? Shouldn’t the MI and ISI chiefs have resigned?
When in doubt fall back to the old conspiracy theory -- classic Pakistan. Thousands of Baloch's are missing and they want to focus on RAW and Mossad - next it will be the American's or Russians.
Can ISI and MI provide evidence of RAW and MOSSAD involvement? Apparently not.