After brigadier, army detains four majors

i wonder, if army would now arrest people for having thoughts not compatible with their secular agenda. Recommend

Its good that this is happening. There is no denying the sacrifices made by the armed forces but their accountability was considered a taboo subject and this shouldn’t be the case they need to weed out the anti pakistan elements from within. This should be a warning for all those in the armed forces who have links to some jehadi tanzeems that some one is watching.Recommend

Well done to the Army for acting against the rot within.

We must support our armed forces at this time when it is engaged in war with fanatics and terrorists.

Gen. Kayani is doing well to reestablish the forces to its old days again.Recommend

Islamic Fundamentalism in Pakistan Army is a serious issue.Recommend

Finally, we have recognized and admitted that the fault lies within our people — painful effort to cleanse our society but the only correct path. It’s is a good sign that we have started mending ourselves. Coupled with Marvi Memon’s unprecedented and laudable stance to give up her membership of the National Assembly underscores the fact that we have not lost our soul entirely. Amongst us live Pakistanis who actually care about our great nation and are patriotic to save it from the moth eating and demanted individuals who have infilterated our society and mindset. Hope to see Army’s leadership clean up its ranks in entirety and more young and educated politicans are born to lead our great nation as a result of Marvi’s determination and patriotic stance.Recommend

Keep it up and you will find a lot more. Same should be done in PAF, PN and ISI.Recommend

Better late than never — Kudos are definitely in order.Recommend

@Yasir:
Aptly pointed out the real reason. Look at the article on BBC guyz to know the real reason.

Hint: Questioning the Boss on $§% decisions Recommend

It should be made clear to all the extremists elements within the army that if they want to collude with the enemies of the very nation on whose money they live on should go and live in cave with their brethren instead of living in defense housing societies and helping to kill thousands of fellow pakistani civilians and armed forces personnel. Recommend

Keep up the good work Army. These people within the Army who want to destabalize it and bring it a bad name should be identified and bring to justice so that another GHQ attack is not repeated in future..Recommend

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2011/06/110621inamintvarmyar.shtml

Very interesting view by Brig’s LawyerRecommend

It is an isolated involvement of one to two person which should create an unnecessary alarm. The entire nation knows that it is a highly disciplined institution. The people in the Army are part of the same society and are drawn from all the provinces, from all ethnic groups and from all the sects. The beauty of the system is that it maintains complete harmony among the rank and file. Ordinarily the Army personnel are kept isolated from the external under currents and are not allowed to mix up with political or religious groups. People with doubtful activities are placed under surveillance and they are picked up only if sufficient evidence is available. In a very large size Army one or two people can always get swayed but this is again the strength of the system that such individuals get caught before they can really cause any set back to the national security. Recommend

What is the definition of extremist…To the Nazi the French were extremists..to the Yanks..the Vietnamese were extremists..to the soviets the Afghans were..extremists…and to the Yanks again the Afghans are extremists…to whom they are actually talking..In all cases the extremists won…..food for thought…Recommend

@Yasir:
You are right. There are a lot of people in Pakistan and Islamic world who simply hate democracy. Every evil that is happening in Pakistan is attributed to democracy and openly conspire and ridicule the elected people. Even though in Pakistan, there has not been democracy except in between. The one single factor that has always been in Pakistan is military hegemony and mullah/military alliance. This is the single worst disease that is eating the country.
Before the army finally outed the brigadier and majors, I was demanding this same oversight of the army and was called foreigner and other names. The irony is these military rightwing apologists think that only a foreigner can demand complete truth and patriotism from the army and behave as public servant not the colonial masters.
MirzaRecommend

@Yasic

If anybody in the army whether religious or not is found involved in political activities then they should face the music. Pakistan Army has long pursued the policy of using terrorism as a tool of foreign policy, and if abolishing that means advancing Secular agenda then so be it. These Islamist have long controlled our armed forces since Zia ul Haq.Recommend

@Naseer , so the solution to Pak problems is more Islam. If that makes matters worse than even more Islam. Good diagnosis.Recommend

Look its just not about arresting a few people. The Education system of Pakistan, coupled with the Country’s ideology are creating such monsters in the society. Soldiers are drawn from the same Civil Society and unless you fix the above problems, you will see this happening a lot more.

Given the levels of paranoia and Islamic Extremism prevalent among the ordinary Pakistanis this is a drop in an ocean.

This incident proves only one thing that non-Pakistani observers have known for years- Extremism has steeped into the Pakistani Army. This trend is only going to increase in frequency unless the root problem is addressed.Recommend

Nip the evil in the bud is the phrase for the present actions of the military, but is it not too late and little ??Recommend

While going through various comments, one feels sorry to note that Islam and the institution of Jehad has been made the subject of criticism. In my opinion, ISLAM and JEHAD are the two main sources of strength for Pakistan Army. Due to their firm belief in teachings of Islam and motivated with the spirit of Jehad, Pakistan Army has always defended our motherland against the aggression of an enemy which has overwhelming numerical and material superiority over our forces. We also know that our troops will always have to fight against a numerically superior enemy. Under such circumstances, it is concept of Jehad which provides that much needed motivation to take on the superior enemy. The important point to be noted is that this motivation is collective motivation of the institution as a whole in which there is no room for the individuals to determine their individual cause for Jehad and then based on their independent perceptions initiate an armed operation in the name of Jehad. Military discipline not only in Pakistan but all over the world does not allow individual adventurism in any form. Pakistan Army is absolutely clear that waging Jehad without a Government Declaration is illegal and not acceptable. I am sure a very effective monitoring system is in place in all the three services to monitor psychological impact on troops of all sorts of events and developments taking place in the arena of security situation, economy particularly inflation, politics and religion. Like most of the armies in the world in Pakistan Armed Forces too, negative effects are reported to the top tiers of command on regular basis and corrective measures are adopted much before the situation could slip out of hand. It is due to the effectiveness of the system that Army has always remained unaffected even sometimes by serious negative developments which had otherwise created upheaval in the civil society. Disgruntled and disillusioned individuals in their personal capacity may still attempt to resort to some misadventures but the history of Pakistan Army tells us that their chances of success are almost nil because the system automatically takes care of them. Recommend

I think the creation of Pakistan is itself the reason behind the so called extremism,,,there should be a debate was pakistan create in the name of islam or adhere to western values, pakistan has a choice to make either to accept islam Quran and Sunnah as rule of laws i.,e Shariah or british borrowed laws,,,till then the tussle between western ideology vs islam will continue,,,and the graph of so called extremism will grow……..pakistan is a failed state.. Recommend

Asif, my dear friend you are sadly mistaken and disillusioned. Islam which was the basis of creation of Pakistan, is a religion of peace and brotherhood and it strictly forbids the killing of any innocent individual. Those extremists who are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children in mosques, Imam Bargahs and in schools are not Muslims. They are criminals, murderers and agents of enemies of Pakistan. It is not the question of adopting western or Islamic values. All the divine religions and Islam in particular teach and profess such values which make the world peaceful and worth living. If by adopting western values you are referring to liberalism in the form nudity or late night free mixing of men and women and please read the bible and you would come to know that even Christianity does not allow such immoral things. I would also advise you to go through the history of Pakistan movement so that you can get an idea of the kind of exploitation which the Indian Muslims were facing at the hands of Hindu majority. This country was created by our fore fathers through a long and difficult struggle and after sacrificing over a million lives. Please do not blame the creation of Pakistan if our generation has failed to live up to the teachings of Islam and in accordance with the expectations of our Qaaid, Muhammad Ali Jinah. Recommend

@Khurram:
Very right, but who understandsRecommend

Khurram ,
my friend, your response to my comments is partially correct and I do agree that Pakistan to some extent can be blamed for initiating hostilities on a limited scale which provided an excuse to India to initiate an all out war against Pakistan. If you carry out a realistic analysis of the politico-military situation emerging before each Indo-Pak conflict then you will realize that Pakistan alone cannot be blamed for initiating the wars between India and Pakistan. Imagine, someone has occupied your house against all moral and ethical principles and you want to get it vacated through reasoning and peaceful negotiations but the other side, being quite happy with the possession your house, is not prepared to listen to your reasoning. Having tried all peaceful means to get the house vacated, one day, out of sheer frustration you may be compelled to use force. This is what had happened in 1948 and in 1965. In 1971, India was the aggressor and was responsible for initiating the war in Eastern theater. Pakistan’s preemptive air strike in the Western Theater was merely a response to what India was doing in erstwhile East Pakistan. Pakistan is comparatively a smaller country with much less resources and that is why it would never want to go to war. But who can deny that we have a number of unresolved disputes with India which cannot be put on the back burner forever. Although wars are not the solution for the pending problems yet these wars have proved that India and Pakistan are a dangerous flash point which in any future war runs the risk of use of nuclear weapons which can seriously jeopardize the world peace. Hence taking note of the tense nature of India – Pakistan relationship the International community has pressurized the two countries to break the deadlock and open up dialogue for the resolution of disputes. Lets hope the ongoing dialogue will result into peaceful resolution of all our disputes with India. Recommend