Defence budget to rise by 12%

Published: May 10, 2011

Report states military operations have been hampered by militant resistance, poor weather and the need to settle affected people. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

ISLAMABAD: 

The government is set to announce a defence budget for the upcoming fiscal year that will be just over a quarter of its targeted tax revenues, though a careful analysis of the allocations suggests that the numbers understate the full costs of military spending.

The ‘stated’ defence budget for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2012 is likely to be Rs495 billion, an increase of Rs53 billion or 12 per cent over the previous year’s ‘stated’ budget, a rate of increase that is nominally below inflation. This, however, masks actual defence expenditures in several ways, including transferring military pensions to civilian expenses and counting ‘security’ operations separately.

Finance ministry sources say the government is likely to allocate Rs216 billion for security purposes under several non-descript headings, which include military operations and are paid for in part by Coalition Support Funds received from the United States, but also include grants from the federal government. The finance ministry typically shies away from discussing these grants in any detail.

In addition, military pension bill is likely to be included in the civilian side of the federal budget, continuing an accounting trick first employed by the Musharraf administration, designed to lower the military budget while continuing expenses at the same levels. For the outgoing  fiscal year, this amount came to Rs60 billion and is likely to be higher for fiscal year 2012.

Total military expenses, therefore, are likely to exceed Rs767 billion, though not all of this amount will be paid by the Pakistani taxpayer.

Stated nominal military expenses have risen by 29 per cent over the past two fiscal years, almost exactly in line with inflation, despite several military operations against militants having been launched in the tribal districts and Swat during that time.

Some independent analysts, however, believe that the military allocations may need to be reviewed in light of the May 2 US raid on a compound in Abbottabad that killed al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

“We cannot dole out money anymore without assessing the actual needs and without setting the benchmarks,” said defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa, adding, “It is high time to issue a white paper on defence to assess what we have so far got and what we lost and what are the actual security needs.”

Even former military officials were willing to concede that more oversight may be needed.

“Effective oversight of the defence budget is a must. It is also good for the country and the democracy,” said retired Lt Gen Talat Masood. He said unless the government introduces real oversight of the defence budget it will remain dependent on the army.

Defence budgets have never been debated in Parliament and are always assumed to be a given during the presentation of the annual money bill. In the past, defence budgets were frequently limited to one line. Over the last few years, that number has since expanded to three lines but no further details are provided.

For fiscal year 2011, the full extent of military expenditure will only be made clear when the government announces its supplemental budget, to be released on the eve of the new budget for fiscal year 2012. Finance ministry sources say that the government has added an additional Rs47 billion to the original allocation of Rs442 billion, though the government has not yet acknowledged this figure publicly.

The government has targeted collecting Rs1,952 billion in taxes for the upcoming fiscal year. Of this amount, nearly Rs1,000 billion will be taken up by debt servicing and over Rs495 billion by defence, leaving around Rs457 billion, or about 23.4 per cent, of actual tax revenues to run the rest of the government and hand out billions of rupees in subsidies.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 10th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (83)

  • dr. Aslam khan
    May 10, 2011 - 8:41AM

    ok but not good enough. We are lagging far behind indians in defence budget so if possible need to increase defence budget more. Pakistanis understand that country’s defence is more important than a country’s development. Recommend

  • Light
    May 10, 2011 - 8:42AM

    retired Lt Gen Talat Masood…Why didnt you mention this thing when you were in the army….is it because you were getting your plot, discounted goodies and pension from that budget? Guys like you make me disappoint with the Pakistan as well as humanity.

    @article…yes I support the demand of making all the expenses by military aka defence budget public.Recommend

  • May 10, 2011 - 8:47AM

    I await military bashing soon to flood this article! =pRecommend

  • Mirza
    May 10, 2011 - 8:59AM

    This is the most fair and right thing to do. “Muzdoor ka pasina khushkh hone se pehle ujrat de do”. This is what Islamic principle says.

    After such a wonderful job of protecting OBL against the might and technology of USA for this long the military should be rewarded. The healthcare and education can take a back seat as usual. We don’t need schools anyway. There are lots of madarsas and hakims to take care of basic necessities of bloody civilians.

    Just like after East Pakistan, Kargil and now OBL, the high achiever’s awards and rewards should continue. Perpetual gravy train move on. Recommend

  • AnIndian
    May 10, 2011 - 9:03AM

    Now come on… We are talking about a country whose population growth is higher/equal to the economic growth… Military for such a nation should be classified under “Luxury”.Recommend

  • LOL
    May 10, 2011 - 9:11AM

    Only Rs. 457 billion to run the rest of the country. Yikes. Perhaps Pakistan could sell the US its nuclear weapons for $20 Billion.Recommend

  • Hassan
    May 10, 2011 - 9:13AM

    Mashallah, our army is doing a wonderful job, just like we have seen in the last few days. It is indeed a very well deserved defence budget increase!Recommend

  • Ether hunt
    May 10, 2011 - 9:24AM

    Defence hike at the cost of education and social welfare. . Sad.. Pakistan needs education badlyRecommend

  • abdul moiz
    May 10, 2011 - 9:49AM

    Great,how much of this will go towards protecting islamic terrorists who are establishment & media people still think of as our precious assets? Why is our state still providing backing for the murderous cavemen who want to impose their regressive,barbaric values,beliefs & attitudes on the whole country?

    But it’s not just the state that’s to be blamed in this,we have millions of our people provide funding to the religious terrorists in the form of chanda donations.These chanda donations are used by the maulvis to brainwash another generation of children into homophobia,oppression of women & intolerance of anyone non-muslim.it’s time the chanda boxes at shops are removed as these are a major source of sustenance for the religious barbarians.Recommend

  • Ali
    May 10, 2011 - 9:59AM

    Good, keep up the good work and suck the last drop of blood out of the peopleRecommend

  • pl/sql
    May 10, 2011 - 10:09AM

    My heartfelt sympathies to the poor and the innocent in Pakistan who have been punched in the stomach again. The army is draining your country dry with the India bogey.Recommend

  • Faraz
    May 10, 2011 - 10:09AM

    There is no accountablity in this country and the present government is too spineless to take this issue head on. And why would they. Zardari i rumored to charge 50 lacs for 30 minutes of his time , thats in addition ton the 500 Million USD he has in accounts abroad (which he does not pay any tax in Pakistan for). These people care for themselves only. Recommend

  • dextor
    May 10, 2011 - 10:27AM

    yaaa education ki kia zarrorat hai….health koi cheez hi nahi….army ko khilaoo aur then make them fall asleep…so that they cannot takeover the government…Mr Kiyani please ask himself to divert some money for education so that u can have some engineers for future technology development….otherwise you will kept saying we dont have technology to cope with even Bangladesh helicopters…but we do have bullet proof cool cars and house in DHA….Recommend

  • indian
    May 10, 2011 - 10:31AM

    Pakistani politicians are pupits of Pakistan military and they do what was odered to them by the Pakistan military.
    Remember politicians represent the people of that country.Recommend

  • Salman Hasan
    May 10, 2011 - 11:00AM

    Yes they deserve this because they are the sacred cows of this nation & above all keeping intact integrity of Pakistan – SOB

    As long as they are fed by our money for doing nothing, this country will continually goes down & down.

    We are a lost nation because of these mindless, clueless soldiers …..Recommend

  • Nana
    May 10, 2011 - 11:03AM

    No accountability, No Justice, No Honesty, No Patriotism, perceiving announcing the increment in budget for Milliatry. This will definitely crumbled the dream of common man who expecting to somthing happen in upcoming budget. Decision making authorities in upcoming budget should analysed the whtat is the output to increase this budget? Whether our defence will be more strong or To avoid another drone or american attack? It is just disgraceful to accept whats going on.Recommend

  • Deep Thinker
    May 10, 2011 - 11:16AM

    Thanks to the Osama raid, the defense budget increase is just 12%. The initial plan was to seek a raise of 30%. Recommend

  • narayana murthy
    May 10, 2011 - 11:25AM

    Dr. Aslam Khan says “ok but not good enough. We are lagging far behind indians in defence budget so if possible need to increase defence budget more. Pakistanis understand that country’s defence is more important than a country’s development.”

    Looks like you have a very wrong idea of defense. You don’t wage wars in large scale these days. You use diplomatic leverages.

    For any diplomatic leverage, a country must have friends. Friends are made by ordinary citizens and not by the administration (most of India’s friendships have developed strongly because of people to people relationship, through business and other things. Including with China).

    For people to people relationship, a country must have a good image and the people should be law abiding, good citizens, wherever they go. For this education and development are crucial.

    After having written all this, I don’t think me or anyone (even from your country) can change the mindset of people like you.Recommend

  • Nasir
    May 10, 2011 - 11:26AM

    will they get some good radars with more moneyRecommend

  • Kunal June
    May 10, 2011 - 12:24PM

    If my figures are not wrong Pakistani Military will be spending 5.7 Billion on Military Budget. Bear in mind a country which is in Tatters its a good sum. However, after the recent fiasco and the Good Image of the nation no one else, than the PRC sells Weapon system to Pakistan that too on credit. Your arch enemy is India but they are leagues ahead in terms of Military muscle pardon my factual indulgence. Consequently, in event of an all out War. Pakistan can not achieve its objective nor on Diplomatic front. I see Pakistanis feeling ashed when they introduce themselfs, trust me in a room if you utter the word Pakistan all ears go up..Therefore all this over indulgence what for ??Recommend

  • saad
    May 10, 2011 - 12:27PM

    please listen to shehzada zaid hamid new video and then people will understand why defence hike is necessary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DBgbOXpVwRecommend

  • May 10, 2011 - 12:32PM

    Lt Gen Talat is not a fighting soldier. He is mechanical engineer who being commission officer in EME became Lt Gen. He did go to Staff College and NDC (now NDU) but that is all theory. He never commanded a Brigade, Division or Corps of Pak Army. He is a learned man but lacks practical experience of soldiering, rather he is more of a scientist. One should never take his views about Defence matters and Armed Forces very seriously.

    Ayesha Siddiqa worked in Naval and Army Audit Departments for 17 years. I do not know why but she possesses a deep resentment against Armed Forces. She got higher degree from USA by spending stipend she got out of Defence Budget of Pakistan Armed Forces. On her way back a change heart and mind was seen. She wrote book after book and columns for maligning Pakistan Army specially. Some people do that for gaining attention only like Mehr Bokhari or Hamid Mir on TV. But Ayesha Siddiqa seems to working on some specific malicious agenda. Her views must be reviewed carefully.

    Event of 1 May only happened because Pakistan Armed Forces never had enough Radars to cover each and every inch of Pakistan at very low level. Nation should buy more radars if they want to avoid such event in future.

    ‎Pakistan Army draw its actual power out of the moral support of People of Pakistan. We need to avoid spreading of texts against Armed Force. Enemy is trying to demoralize Pakistani Nation by every means. We do not have to become part of such activities.

    Defaming Pakistan Armed Forces means defaming Pakistan.Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    May 10, 2011 - 12:36PM

    They need the money to make more Golf Courses and Leisure Clubs to install latest gizmos and play stations. Our Generals are Lounge Lizards needing this kind of entertainment. Field Duty? What is that? To them Field is the Garrison Golf Clubs. When the nation has water scarcity they are building more Golf Courses where automated sprinklers come on. Well done Lounge Lizards.Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    May 10, 2011 - 12:38PM

    @Nasir:
    More radars mean more commission, more Begum Sahib’s shopping in London, more Golf and more double pegs. Recommend

  • Pakistani57
    May 10, 2011 - 12:40PM

    @anindian: why am i not surprised to see this comment from an ‘indian’Recommend

  • ashwin
    May 10, 2011 - 12:45PM

    well done, although 12% is too little considering inflation and Pakistan Rupee.Hope India increase it’s budget by 25~30%. Recommend

  • Ajay
    May 10, 2011 - 12:47PM

    @dr. Aslam khan:
    Preident Obama has just informed Pakistan that they need to stop a)being paranoid about India b)stop investment in military and diverting scarce resources towards it c)cooperate with US goals in Afghan and d)start actively hunting other terrorists.

    So you are way out of touch with the reality !!

    Army needs to be a servant of civilans.

    Anything else you are looking at a US attack on Pakistan.Recommend

  • Explorer
    May 10, 2011 - 12:48PM

    @Deep Thinker:
    People must thank Obama for this small mercy.Recommend

  • Javed Hussain
    May 10, 2011 - 12:52PM

    When these defence people even don’t know what is hapening and americans arehitting us with missiles and droans so why their budget should be increased??????????????????????? no way its truel unlawful and wrong……….our people are dying of hungar and they are increasing the budget of army which fought 3 wars lost all and due to thier incompetence pakistan fall apart in 1971 ……………….. no asingle penny should be increased of army budget……………incraese the health budget, increase education budget, incraese development projects budget if u want to increase…….. Pak army is incompetent and incapable of anything………Recommend

  • Qasim
    May 10, 2011 - 12:59PM

    “Just over a quarter of targeted tax revenues” yet hefthy increase in inept defence budget, how patriotic? Recommend

  • IZ
    May 10, 2011 - 1:00PM

    Pakistan should close down every school and hospital, court and university and allocate this money to upgrading its army. Also, stop building roads, bridges and divert funds for flood affectees – it can be used to build more nuclear bombs. All electricity, power, gas and water units should be shut down – we must pay for a new radar system and a bigger golf course for generals at Kakul. Then we will be the strongest country in the world. Yes, yes we will.Recommend

  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    May 10, 2011 - 1:32PM

    Will 12% increase be sufficient? I believe not as we lack almost in every field.Recommend

  • May 10, 2011 - 1:33PM

    More staff cars for everyone!

    Look the issue here is not really the amount of money. The issue is the lack of transparency and accountability. How does the Pakistani taxpayere know where the money is going and what is it being spent on? Is it being spent on defendingthe country or defending CSDs and Pasban shopping markets? Is it being spent to defend the country or “beautify” the Cantt areas? Is it being spent on defending the country, or renovating officers mess and installing LCD TVs?

    @Khalid Masood: You are wrong sir, Pakistan is more than the sum of its Army! This country wasnt made just to service the whims of military. Recommend

  • A/A
    May 10, 2011 - 1:34PM

    Thank God…atleast some useful thing done…Recommend

  • papa
    May 10, 2011 - 1:34PM

    We need smart forces with smart weapons with sincere loyalty to our country for defense and worldly respect. No need to spend on large number of mediocre soldiers with out dated machines and only loyalty to preservation of his job and himself. Small, smart, pious, visionary and missionary forces with sufficient, appropriate (relevant and reliable) training and wherewithal should be our norm. Pay and perks should commensurate with services (cost-benefit analysis be carried regularly, at least quarterly).There should be integrity, transparency and accountability of all transactions, events and conditions.Cost centres with responsibility accounting, internal audit and external (independent) audit, so far and so long ad possible should be instituted and their findings should religiously be investigated, resolved and improving steps be taken promptly. We respect our forces,for they sacrifice their time and life for the nation. Recommend

  • Vinayak
    May 10, 2011 - 2:16PM

    @narayana murthy:
    Dr. Aslam Khan is just being satirical. Recommend

  • May 10, 2011 - 2:18PM

    @Billoo Bhaya:

    Trouble is….. you only see lush green Golf Courses, beautiful DHAs and Askari Homes and get jealous as civilian brothers can neither make such things nor can run those efficiently.

    You do not see the environments of chilling sleet and blistering heat where officers and men of Pakistan Armed Force guard this their Motherland for years and years.

    *Not a single rupee of Public Money is ever spent on Golf Courses, DHAs and Askari Homes. Army is capable of generating required funds through other means like selling plots to civilians and getting membership of Golf Courses to civilians on paying handsome amount and so on.
    For Askari home officers of Armed Forces pay installments during service and remaining amount at the time of retirement
    *
    Recommend

  • SK
    May 10, 2011 - 2:20PM

    sure why not- they are doing their best considering all the recent eventsRecommend

  • SMR
    May 10, 2011 - 2:27PM

    Why is it that since this nation was created we have never seen a dedicated effort to uplift the economy? Why do we only spend on the military rather than focus on investing in sources of income? Why is it that the people can always sacrifice for the army yet the army can never perform its duties of protecting us? The Army can never support the constitution or civilian governments?

    Why is it that we TOLERATE a COAS who tells his country of 110+ million people below the poverty line that this country’s honour is worth more than our economic prosperity and welfare?
    WHAT HONOUR DO WE HAVE EXACTLY? Terrorism? $200+ Billion(official figure only) debt? Reliance on aid to survive? Rogue, failed state supporting OBL? Corruption of unbelievable proportions? Poverty in the extreme? A elite class that never pays taxes yet benefits the most from government spending?

    The military has golf courses in every major city of Pakistan. India still has more spending on its armed forces. India still has a military several times larger and its STILL earning MUCH MUCH MORE than us which means the difference will likely become even larger. Not only that, their income is growing faster than us as well.

    We cant chase them by spending like this on the military and then go crawling back to the IMF and World Bank to save our collapsing economy.

    Such is the path of paranoia that will spare the Indians the task of destroying us….Recommend

  • Nadeem Khan
    May 10, 2011 - 2:54PM

    @Khalid Masood: Could it be that Ayesha Siddiqa saw something as army auditor that pinched her conscience? Since 1958, the army has ruled us nearly uninterrupted. If we are today much worse off than we were in 1958, does it not make sense to change rulers? i.e. cut army down to what it is in all normal countries of the world, and let the political process take its due course? Even the politicians we have were thrust upoin us either directly, or indirectly, by the army. Recommend

  • adeel qadri
    May 10, 2011 - 3:27PM

    Defense?? what defense they are talking about?? ppl dying on the streets…US forces doing insurgent strikes… y we need defense?? country is already sold out.Recommend

  • Muhammad Junaid Akhter
    May 10, 2011 - 4:31PM

    @narayana murthy no doubt what u said its true.

    but don’t u think people can’t defend the country on ther own?? If u r so confident about it then y isn’t Kashmir Issue solved as yet? y u people failed to make relations with Kashmiries ?? Recommend

  • Adeel
    May 10, 2011 - 4:41PM

    i wish they increase education and health budgets by 12% someday too!!Recommend

  • Adnan
    May 10, 2011 - 5:06PM

    What about increasing the educational budget??Recommend

  • That's how we roll
    May 10, 2011 - 5:20PM

    Amazing…..
    But i think 12% is not enough.Recommend

  • javed
    May 10, 2011 - 6:34PM

    this is right decision pakistan have to increase defence budget… Recommend

  • Zubair
    May 10, 2011 - 8:03PM

    Just want to know how every Retired General is a millionaire???
    I am a Government employee in 19 grade and i don’t have any money to buy a house !!Recommend

  • May 10, 2011 - 8:16PM

    @Zubair:

    You seems to be a wise man.

    Why do not you leave that grade 19 job and try to join Pakistan Army or PAF or PN ?

    I am sure you will get billionaire by the time you retire… Recommend

  • Muhammad Junaid Akhter
    May 10, 2011 - 8:16PM

    @zubair sahab: Its really simple, u seems to be an honest man and they are not. I strongly think you should be proud of being honest then getting depressed. They have homes here you can have afterwards right ?Recommend

  • SAAwais
    May 10, 2011 - 8:39PM

    Only 12%. Are u kidding me? After all the hard work that the Khakis have been putting in since the birth of this unfortunate country this is certainly not a just reward! I appeal to the Government of Pakistan to reconsider this decision in the light of the many ‘achievements’ of our military personnel in the battle field, of which some are as follows:
    1965 war: The war that started as a result of the Operation Gibraltar which was carried out by the Pakistani forces with the intention to stoke an insurgency in the state of Jammu & Kashmir only to have backfired badly. However, just sixteen days into the war, the uncles sitting in GHQ realized their mistake and accepted the ceasefire brokered by the Soviets which saved them from considerable further damage.
    1971 war: One would be hard pushed to find a defeat this humiliating, a world record in its own right: some ninety thousand armed personnel surrendering before the enemy with ammunition sufficient to last at least two more weeks. And unfortunately the most harrowing aspect of this war is the tragic dismemberment of our motherland. I know that many naysayers here would state that it was Bhutto who was responsible for the vivisection of Pakistan completely forgetting that the reins of the country were in the hands of a power-hungry military junta at that time. Truth is the military establishment was in no mood to let go off the power they had exercised for the last decade or so. Had they been sincere to the country, they would have amicably transferred the power to Mujeeb; instead they undertook yet another infamous operation known by the name of Operation Searchlight which turned the Bengalis against the very people with whom they won the struggle for independence just a quarter of century back.
    Kargil war: Another example of a useless and ultimately disadvantageous instigation by the Pakistani forces which brought the two nuclear powers of South Asia to the brink of a nuclear war with Pakistan again being rebuked for its role in the comity of nations.

    I could go on an on about the humiliation that this single institution has brought upon our country and yet sadly we continue to treat it as a holy cow. The recent incident of May 02, 2011 has shown yet again just how far our armed forces have strayed from their original duty of protecting the boundaries of our motherland. It is high time now that we stop turning a blind eye to the dubious activities of the armed forces and at the very least discuss the Defence budget and ensure its effective spending as suggested by General Talat.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    May 10, 2011 - 8:58PM

    Can anyone tell what should be ideally be the defence budget as percentage of GDP?Recommend

  • Moz
    May 10, 2011 - 9:08PM

    After our military failed to protect Bin Laden due to lack of resources an money, they definitely need more. Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    May 10, 2011 - 9:14PM

    @ashwin: “well done, although 12% is too little considering inflation and Pakistan Rupee.Hope India increase it’s budget by 25~30%.”

    Chanakya 101 : Learn from your neighbours mistakes – and do not repeat the same mistakes – the outcome will not be any different.Recommend

  • May 10, 2011 - 9:59PM

    @TightDhoti:

    If someone in military is not spending the money correctly, who should be checking them ?

    The one who have authority and he must not be a thief himself.

    Constitution of Pakistan gives ample powers to the Parliament to check everyone including military !!

    But the Parliament has failed all along because most of them are corrupt, incompetent, weak and thieves.

    So my dear – Elect good leaders who are SAADIQ and AMEEN

    They can put everything right.Recommend

  • Mirza
    May 10, 2011 - 10:19PM

    The right wing and Ghairat brigage talks about Islam in everything. There is no concept in Islam of a paid army. This highly paid army living in luxury and usurping all resources and not doing its job cannot be Islamic. Why would the ritht wing not talk about the concept of volunteer army which is true Islamic and not a paid army?Recommend

  • Zubair
    May 10, 2011 - 10:32PM

    @Mirza:
    in Hazrat Omar Khalafit ear Muslims had a REGULAR ARMY.
    read history before your commits.
    problem is not that we have a regular army, problem is that there are two separate armies. The OFFICERS and the RANKERS based on British Army.
    The officers are trained in way that they are best and everyone else is just their servant.
    They are organized and can do anything to protect one of them just like a mafia.
    Kargil War was Musharaf fault as the PM of that time didnt knew what he has started.
    He should be terminated at once but as army is controlling everything, nothing could be done.
    the problem is HOW TO CONTROL THE ARMY??Recommend

  • meekal ahmed
    May 10, 2011 - 11:15PM

    Personal attacks against specific personalities are to be deplored. The editor should have expunged them.

    India too puts its military pay and pensions under a separate head. Both countries, and probably a lot of other countries as well, conceal the real cost of defense. A lot of defense spending is off-the-books.

    Some gentleman above said we need more military spending compared to development. I think he has it backwards.

    Yes, our military can cut down on waste. So can the civilian side.

    There is no such thing as an “optimal” level of defense spending.

    Another gentleman thinks the US managed to do what they did becuase we don’t have enough radars. As far as I am aware (based on maps I have seen) almost the entire country is under radar surveillance (civil and military). The problem is that the US came in with a modified version of the Black Hawk helicopter which had “stealth” properties. That means they were invisible to radar.

    It should be obvious that the US would NOT have sauntered into Pakistani airspace with slow-moving helicopters (130 knots maximum) if they were visible! They also had about 20 support aircraft (including F-18 Hornets and AWAC’s) hovering in Afghanistan airspace to coordinate and back-up the attack. Recommend

  • Mueed
    May 11, 2011 - 12:14AM

    To buy some more __ for Pak Army.(you are allowed to fill the blank with whatever you like ;)Recommend

  • Naveed Javed
    May 11, 2011 - 1:22AM

    \Much needed at the moment, kindly upgrade the radar system of PAKISTAN! Recommend

  • Salman Zafar
    May 11, 2011 - 4:04AM

    What is hell is going on in debt servicing? ????Recommend

  • Praful Shah
    May 11, 2011 - 5:30AM

    @dr. Aslam khan:

    May be stand up to Americans????Recommend

  • Hussain Mirza
    May 11, 2011 - 5:38AM

    Are you serious? Wow, Pakistan needs to spend it’s money on EDUCATION and empowering women, not the military. Yes, we do have the threat of terrorism at our door step, but nothing will be done about that until our people stop being brainwashed by Saudi fundamentalism and learn something about their own nation. Recommend

  • Billoo Bhaya
    May 11, 2011 - 6:03AM

    @Khalid Masood:
    I guess you are a Military Walla and can’t stomach honest reflection of the common citizenry. I don’t have respect for anyone or any institution that violates the law, as done by the armed forces and their rapacious behavior. Pakistan is in that hole (you know the kind) because of our fabulous Four Horseman of the Apocalypse (Ayub, Yayha, Zia, Musharraf). While this is a Biblical reference of God’s vengeance on this earth, what our four horsemen did was to destroy everything and anything of the Legal Pakistan by Doctrines of Necessity. If you do not understand what I am talking about read, yes READ, the Ruling given by the Supreme Court on Judges Case on July 30,2009. I have attached the file below from the Supreme Court Website:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov.pk/web/user_files/File/CONST.P.9OF2009.pdf

    I suggest that before shoot your mouth off, as you have been doing quite often, ignoring nearly every comment made by the readers on the role of the ARMY, read first about how the ARMY has destroyed Pakistan.

    That is why they have GOLF Courses and the tax-payer lives in SLUMS. That’s why the Generals and the Brig. rent their homes in Cantonments as SAFE HOUSES to CIA AGENTS, i.e., Mr Raymond Davis and his types when they are not allowed to do so BY LAW. DO YOU GET IT???????????????Recommend

  • George
    May 11, 2011 - 7:20AM

    What are they increasing their defense budget for, 2 create more missiles to target the perceived Indian threat or actually dealing with jihadi groups & Taliban. If Pakistan keeps on increasing their budget at this scale the country will actually end up bankrupt, like what happened to the soviets trying to match the US mil budget. Our Gov (India) have fixed the defense budget to about 2% of our GDP (that’s about 1.3 Trillion USD currently), & as the GDP grows annually so will the budget. Our military budget might reach 100 billion USD by the end of this decade, Pakistani gov would be crazy if they try matching that!!!

    Hope the peace talks & trade talks go well btw the 2 countries. Recommend

  • Venky
    May 11, 2011 - 7:31AM

    @Light
    people who take advantage of DHA plots do not talk the truth like Gen. Talat Masood. To me he is a real General Pak shoudl have promoted him to the top post. I am damn sure he would not have used the “Enemy no. 1 card” RegardsRecommend

  • Mirza
    May 11, 2011 - 7:36AM

    @Zubair:
    If you read my next line, I was talking about the highly paid army living in luxury. Obviously the ordinary soldiers are like “peasants, laborers, and other hard working low paid workers”. There is no such concept of mercenaries in Islam. Specifically in the days of our prophet.

    Dr. Mirza, USARecommend

  • Adnan
    May 11, 2011 - 7:44AM

    @khalid masood we all respect the soldiers of our military but we cannot accept the reasoning of the senior officer corps.
    Four wars lost (3 started) and as many civilian interventions botched? This is the actual track record.
    If civilians had been given land, generous pay/perks, training and resources – no problem to exceed the beauty of military golf courses, which is all mlitary do well.
    Lording oer people under the power of gun barrel is not difficult. When i asked miliary officer in charge of water in my housing society about lack of water, his response was not to flush the toilet. They believe they have God given right to rule, but not be responsible for any concrete results.
    Of course, persons like yourself who believe that scientists should be ignored and (losing) soldiers should be valued.Recommend

  • no aman ki aasha nor war
    May 11, 2011 - 8:18AM

    @Muhammad Junaid Akhter
    just go and check in ur part of pak Occupied Kashmir and see how much they love them…atleast we give and make our ppl be part of Mainland…unlike u guys who say something and do something elseRecommend

  • Nobody
    May 11, 2011 - 10:19AM

    @dr. Aslam khan:
    Yeah and look at what its costing Pakistan. Focusing solely on the defense budget and ignoring the rest is the stupidest thing a country can do. Look at where Pakistan is headed. Pakistanis need to stop obsessing over what India’s doing (who bloody cares??)and focus on important things in Pakistan like EDUCATION. But since according to you, we need to match India, why not do so regarding education? Recommend

  • Nobody
    May 11, 2011 - 10:31AM

    @dr. Aslam khan:
    Btw my response to you only applies if you were NOT being sarcastic, which I truly hope you were. Recommend

  • Nobody
    May 11, 2011 - 11:27AM

    Disclaimer Slightly off topic rant ahead…. People of Pak are being f—– time and time again by those in power who are supposed to be representing, defending, and strengthening the country (in terms of everything). Seems all the attention falls on the defense which then begs the questions, who exactly are we trying to defend ourselves against when we are currently our own worst enemy? The big bad wolf we need to defend ourselves against is within our own borders, trickling into almost every part of this country, right under our very noses, and I believe the current defense budget is more than enough for that, moreso considering you’re not even defending yourself half as aggressively as you should be against elements within your borders per your love of money more than your love of country. Thanks to the higher ups, the rest of Pak is getting screwed over, losing its military men (and countrymen/women/children) in vain since the defense is doing a half a$$ed job. Atleast allocate more of your budget towards something that people CAN reap the benefits from such as, education, health, etc.

    The educated/informed masses are seemingly well aware of the situation. You’re a lucky portion of the country that has the ability to make an impact, use it wisely. Letting the current situation sit there and stew seems to be an unfavorable option for everyone (except those who are robbing this country blind while simultaneously effing it in the tush). I plead, those who can, do! Sitting far away I unfortunately can do very little and wish I could do more, but those that are there have that chance. Use it to Pakistan’s advantage. Best of luck. Cheers! Recommend

  • Muhammad Junaid Akhter
    May 11, 2011 - 2:43PM

    @no aman ki aasha nor war: really??

    if u r not honest to someone then it doesn’t matter how u treat them . u r trying to make ppl part of mainland by force that they do not want..

    btw do we have all those strikes and innocent people killed and women raped cases in PoK ?? how many innocent Kashmiries have been killed by indian army terrorists ?? have any idea? I am not getting y don’t u guys get that they don’t want to live with you?? why are you imposing ur rules over them ? y have u make ther lives worst then being in hell ??? if 5 -7 people of your die in any incident in delhi you start crying on international platform like a gang raped women… can’t u see what u r doing with them? rn’t they humans ? is this what you call love???

    and don’t say now that m a Pakistani so m saying this.. this is something the world have witnessed and know.Recommend

  • May 11, 2011 - 3:10PM

    @ Billoo Bhaya, Adnan and some others:

    I respect your right to have and express your opinion and expect same for me from your side as well.

    Having said that, I would like to humbly add following lines :-

    You people keeping talking derogatory about Armed Forces in general and Senior Officers in particular.

    Please remember that Army did not come from USA or Moon. We soldiers are your own people – your brothers, your nephews and even your sons…. grandsons and so on.

    Like the society is – some people do wrong things and that includes Armed Forces as well.
    But how to stop or check such wrong doings ?

    Instead of talking of Problems.. usually done most of you ————–Please prescribe some REMEDY.

    Squabbling and ranting against the Army is Easy but adding some Curative Measure is Difficult.

    Imposing Marshal Law is a curse in my view. But the Army won’t come and take over just like that… Whenever Army took over, sweets (mithai) was distributed in many cities and people danced with joy in streets. Opposition Politicians thanked Army that they have saved Pakistan from tyrant rulers.

    **If someone in the Army is doing wrong. They must be stopped, brought to book and punished.

    But who can do or take such actiomn ?

    The one who is strong, having backing of masses, able and NOT Corrupt.**

    Constitution of Pakistan gives ample power to the Government and the Parliament to check any institutions and organisation including Armed Forces.

    Trouble is that.. most of your elected representatives are weak, illiterate, inefficient and above all Corrupt to the highest degree. Thieves do not have courage to question Armed Forces.

    My sincere advice for all is …. Please elect SAADIQ and AMEEN in coming elections.
    .
    If you people think that the size of our Armed Force is too large. Please ask your elected representative to use their powers and reduce the size of Armed Forces. I assure you that they have powers to do that according to the Constitution of Pakistan.

    I have already clarified your reservations about Golf Courses, DHAs and Askari Homes in other posts.Recommend

  • May 11, 2011 - 3:28PM

    @Adnan:

    Your comments are somewhat hazy.

    I do not think that some serving army officer is in-charge of water supply in your housing society. He seems to be a retired officer. So he is as good as any civilians is.

    However, He is likely to be efficient and Army did train him in administration and management.

    If he told you some solution you did not like… Please scratch you head and find better solution.

    Availability of Water is becoming an alarming problem in Pakistan. See the present condition of our Rivers and compare it with the condition we use to see 20-25 years back. There is hardly any flow now.

    Indians have building Dams after Dams on Jehlum, Neelum and Chenab Rivers — Which come in the share of Pakistan under Indus Water Treaty.

    Indians are trying to build a tunnel through high Himalayan mountains so that water of Indus river could be diverted towards Indian Punjab.

    Indian RAW is investing heavily on Sindhi Nationalist who rally against the construction of Kalabagh Dam. we can neither save water nor can make cheap electricity due to this.

    I foresee another war with India in coming years over water.

    Pakistanis have to invent measures to save water. It is important for our national survival. Recommend

  • Talha Lodhi
    May 11, 2011 - 4:11PM

    Defence budget does not convert into pocket money for military personnels, it is mostly used to buy equipment from developed countries which is very expensive since none of you scientists have really invented anything in last 60 or so years, and those who did, did it abroad and made their share of money....
    Now as far as its relation with Abbottabad incident is concerned, while there is no excuse for the unfitting handling of the matter, i think this lack of response by military came as a blessing for our people who like to talk talk and talk a little more but never really have courage and conviction to come out on streets and change things! OH but wait... you have placed your elected members through this long awaited democracy haven't you maybe you should ask them to regularize and scrutinize defence budget,
    Recommend

  • Cherish Raj
    May 11, 2011 - 4:41PM

    @Khalid Masood:
    Your claim of India diverting water is just Jehadi propaganda. Moreover, according to the Indus water treaty, India can construct any number of dams for generating electricity on any river flowing through India. We do not need any permission from anybody. If you have any complaints, there is an international arbitration mechanism to deal with that. Instead of that, Pakistanis are beating the war drum. Do not blame India for your inability to manage your water and provincialism.Recommend

  • May 11, 2011 - 6:39PM

    @Cherish Raj:

    There is difference between having “arrangements of generating hydro electricity” and “making huge water reservoirs” with a clear aim to control flow of water of Jhelum and Chenab Rivers.

    Indians have planned to create acute shortage of water by stopping water flow in Jhelum and Chenab Rivers during irrigation times. They intend to make us starve.

    Whereas they will open the gates of all Dams during flood season to damage Pakistan by flooding.

    Moreover, some of our defensive lines are based on water obstacles. If Indians have water flow control they can render those obstacles like BRB Canal useless.

    If Indians resort to what I wrote above than there is clear chance of another Pakistan-India War on water. People of Pakistan are likely to fight shoulder to shoulder along with Armed Forces as they will be extremely annoyed on Indian nefarious act.Recommend

  • Pakistani
    May 12, 2011 - 12:06AM

    @dr. Aslam khan:
    yes because we need more money to build better compounds.Recommend

  • Cronous
    May 12, 2011 - 1:13AM

    @Khalid Masood

    “If Indians resort to what I wrote above than there is clear chance of another Pakistan-India War on water.”

    There is no chance of a war over water. The Generals and elite of Pakistan will not really be affected by water issues only the poor or lower class people are. These generals and elites are not certainly not interested in endangering themselves or their families with a war with India simply to serve the interests of the lower classes. Do you think the poor or common man matters in Pakistan? Recommend

  • Bling Bling
    May 12, 2011 - 1:39AM

    What defence?Recommend

  • Amadeus
    May 12, 2011 - 4:15PM

    more of those awesome redundant cannot detect s* radars pleaseRecommend

  • May 13, 2011 - 6:28PM

    @Cronous:

    First of all common men do matter in Pakistan.

    You have no idea but army officers and men come from the class of common men.

    Our present Army Chief is son of a retried JCO of Pakistan Army. Likewise, many other Gen Officers are sons of JCOs, NCOs, farmers, teachers, clerks and so on… Army is composed of
    sons of poor and middle class people.

    Pakistani Elite wont send their sons to join Army. Elite kids get Cambridge education that is O and A level. Then they leave Pakistan. That is end of their story.

    The India is doing (digging its own grave) by stopping our water, there are all the chances that people of Pakistan gather along border and invade India along Pak Armed Force.

    We are not going to sit idle and see our loved one starving due to shortage of water. Recommend

  • star wars
    May 15, 2011 - 7:57PM

    Mr Khalid Masood, You are at most – delusional. Recommend

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