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Youths protest against democracy
Some 150 youths gathered at the Liberty roundabout on Sunday in a protest organised via Facebook.
The protesters at Liberty roundabout make their demands. PHOTO: EXPRESS/SHAHBAZ MALIK
LAHORE: Some 150 youths gathered at the Liberty roundabout on Sunday in a protest organised via social networking site Facebook, to demand that Pakistan scrap its democratic political system and replace it with an “Islamic” system of governance.
It was the third consecutive week that Youth 4 Change had organised a protest “against the democratic system and the American hegemony in Pakistan”. The protesters chanted slogans in support of Islam. They held placards and banners denouncing America and in support of Dr Afia Siddiqui, and in support for the protests in Cairo at Tahrir (Liberty) Square.
The protesters demanded the closure of all US embassies and consulates in Pakistan, an end to the war in Afghanistan, that Raymond Davis to be tried under Islamic law, that Dr Siddiqui be released, and that the armed forces of Pakistan obey Allah and the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and unite the Muslim Ummah under one caliph.
Junaid Khan, an engineering student at the National University of Science and Technology, said the protest was meant to push for change. “In Pakistan, democracy and dictatorship have been tried and failed. Now it is time to bring in an Islamic system. That is the only way for Pakistan to progress,” he said.
Farooq Qazi, who works in advertising, said it was time for Pakistan to stand up to America and protect its sovereignty.
He said that Raymond Davis case was not the core issue between the two countries, but that Pakistan was dependent on the US for aid.
He said that the Islamic system had been shown to work over the last 1,300 years. “Islam provides policies for all kinds of business. It cares for the rich and the poor,” he said.
Qazi added that there were a lot of misconceptions about Islam as a violent religion, but it was actually quite caring. “We should try an Islamic system,” he said.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 21st, 2011.
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How idiotic are these little boys?? Egyptians and Tunisians fought for the same thing these idiots made a silly facebook page against: DEMOCRACY!
All those years of Islamiat brainwashing and Zaid Hamid’s ratta of Pak Studies and internet conspiracy theories have raised a band of mediocre hypocritesRecommend
Fully agree, we need a Caliphate, It will make Pakistan a strong country.Recommend
what exactly is an islamic system? Recommend
If the educated youth in our country are so ignorant what hope is there?Recommend
I would request Mr. Ali Ahsan to be there at the Liberty Roundabout (Soon to be renamed as Tahrir square, and I’m sure you know the meaning of Tahrir as well as Liberty)
We can discuss about the solutions you can provide. We don’t want to discourage discussion and debate, provided that it’s based on an ideology. Capitalism, Communism, Socialism and Dictatorship are the ideologies that we have tried since the last 63 years. Islam is an Ideology and we have the right to ask for it as per the freedom of speech that is much talked about.
Secondly, the absence of Islam in the system has had its repercussions and has damaged us. You missed out the banners written in Arabic at Cairo’s Tahrir Square. Which clearly were once mentioned as the fear for the west on a BBC report when a youngster translated it for them. Since then the camera avoided those banners. This is what is knows as a Media Blockade.
Let’s meet at the Liberty Roundabout on the 6th of March at 3:00 PM and discuss.Recommend
Mashallah :)
Only Khilafah is the solution for pakistanis and all muslims in this world.
Mr Ali Ahsan is only from minority which are affected by western culture…Recommend
Farooq Qazi is right.And i think every Muslim should have desire to adopt Islam as nazam-e-hayat its really nice to see this from educated young Muslims not from mulas…
Inshallah soon you will see a true Islamic state of Pakistan.Recommend
I completely support this call and would definitely be there on 6th March at 3 PM. Its time for Islam Recommend
@Ali Ahsan:
Do you have any better solution?Do you know anything about Islamic systems??
Don’t put arrogant comments if you never bothered to read about Islamic Systems.Islam is the system that threats Capitalism,Communism.We have tried your humane systems of democracy and Dictator ship and look where are we? If you want to debate about compatibility of Islamic system,I’m happy to entertain you. [email protected]Recommend
@Abdullah:
Dear Abdullah the real system of Islam is of CALIPHATE.We have experienced this system for 1400 years in Muslim world and it was abolished by Ata Turk in Turkey during 1924.Just after its abolishment,Muslims started to suffer and still suffering in every corner of world.If you want more discussions PM me at [email protected]Recommend
@SomeGuy:
Calling for Islam is ignorant!!!!!!!!! oh I think you are the Phd is disguise and your wonderful Democracy has got us to annihilation.
Its not We the youth who are ignorant,its the people who think that Islam cant solve the issues and isn’t Compatible in modern world.Recommend
We are living in fascinating times!
What could be better then the system brought to us by Rasul SAW?
What could be better then to struggle for it’s implementation?
Everyone, everyone of us must keep demanding, keep fighting, keep thundering, keep struggling, keep ploughing, until justice is served!
No justice, no peace!
@Ali Ahsen: Give this cause the benefit of doubt – These people call for Islam – your Deen, and My Deen – Our Deen!
May Allah SWT guide the people of the power, to support the call of these youths! Ameen!Recommend
Seriously. I have numerous questions: Do these young ones even know the kind of divisions there are in Islam? Since every faction within Islam has its own set of rules, what kind of Islamic law do they want in the country? Will the Shias, Sunnis, Barelvis, Deobandis accept one caliphate? Who will step in if the political parties are dismantled and caliphate system is installed? Isn’t caliphate another form of dictatorship?
I am curious: do they agree with the Taliban-, Saudi- or the Khomeni-style of governance in Pakistan, both of which have been extremely oppressive and have impeded free thought and speech.
It is good to be idealistic, but when you bring religion to politics, you’re playing with fire. The Taliban should have taught us a lesson by now. Recommend
@Ali Ahsan….Brother yes Khilafat is our solution inshaALLAH
For you i have written few lines
Liberty from tyrants
Liberty from sold giants
Enough of the slavery
Its time for bravery
How many Raymonds you will release
Khilafah is cure to this disease
Its call for solution
Lets connect with Revolution!!!!
Brother if we are idiots then who are they looting and corrupting Pakistan since 63 years ?
If our brains are washed then what about the brains who are hijacking the ideology of Pakistan which is La Ilaha Ilalah Muhammad Ur Rasul Lullah
We do not belong to Zaid Hamid, any religious or political group…we belong to that youth of Pakistan who have promised to lead Pakistan out of this slavery and inshaALLAH towards eternal bliss…This era will witness soon Islam becoming the ideology of whole Ummah and revival of Khilafat in 21st century. Time for you to stand whether with us or on a supposedly safe side of liberals and seculars…Best RegardsRecommend
The way to success is the way of Khilafah,Ensha ALLAH. Pakistan have the opportunity to begin the greater cause for ummah & the solution to the humanity.Recommend
Export Quality for Iran. Recommend
Maybe this is the problem with Pakistan’s English medium education system, it doesn’t teach you to recognise cognitive dissonance.Recommend
Wow, they want Pak Army to bring in the Caliphate, MQM wants brave generals to bring in revolution, PPP says Army is on the side of democracy. It must be great to feel so wantedRecommend
This is precisely what America is afraid off; young educated people calling the army to replace the democratic system with the Islamic system (Caliphate), thus ensuring that no corrupt leaders come in power to fulfill the interests of America, rather live united under a caliph who will serve the interests of Islam and Muslims or face true accountability.Recommend
I support this call for change!
With love,
From Saudi Arabia!Recommend
I Fully Agree that KHILAFAH is the system of Islam..We LOVE ISLAM and workers and youth of Lahore who Organised this….Thumbs up for All who gathered there.Recommend
If I maybe so bold to ask: Who will the Khalifa be? How will this person be chosen? What safeguards will there be to ensure that power isn’t abused? How will legislation be passed in this system?
Also, love this bit, “the armed forces of Pakistan [should] obey Allah and the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and unite the Muslim Ummah under one caliph.” So, basically we want a massive war around the Islamic world? Nice.Recommend
I fully support the call for the Khilafah, and would love to see democracy being replaced by the Islamic system which allows true accountability and looks after the interests of the Muslims as opposed to the interests of AmericaRecommend
For those who don’t understand the “Islamic System of Governance”, here is a very basic rule about it: To contest a governing position, one has to prove with one’s history and track-record that one has been and will be competent and fair in his duties. This means we need a system to allow only able individuals to come forward and not just those who have power and a fake graduation degree.. Now, the adherents of democracy decide for themselves, the system they see now in Pakistan is better or the system that they despise only for being “Islamic”..
I wonder, such unreasonable secular fanaticism is the vogue these days among even the educated people! Why don’t they reach their own conclusions but borrow the ones that are in fashion..?
I request all of the advocates of reason and sensibility to think in an unbiased way.. and tell us, which one is a better system.. Khilafah stands the best!Recommend
This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. I like! There is hope in this nation!
The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
You have my support! May Allah be with you!Recommend
This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. I like! There is hope in this nation!
The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
You have my support! May Allah be with you!Recommend
Nice job guys. May Allah reward you all for your stand and give you patience to face the ‘privileges’ that come with this struggle.Recommend
To the question that there are many factions in Islam, people should study Islamic jurisprudence and they will find that there are almost no differences in different schools Islamic fiqh, apart from some very personal kind of matters of a Muslim.
To the question if it is another form of dictatorship or oppressive: people should keep in mind that Khalifah has no impunity, no exemption from law and no right to even legislate.. he is always open to accountability in its true sense. He has to be, and is bound to be, a guardian of his people.
To the question of legislation: that is the things that scholars will do with consensus, and according to contemporary interpretations of Qur’an and Sunnah. Remember friends, “Al Hukm u Lillah”.. Allah has already legislated the law; it only is to be interpreted in the light of contemporary issues as they arise.Recommend
@ BushraS & Kalakawa:
I understand the concerns and questions that you have raised. Its a common mis perception. And its not our fault. The education system did not let us understand Islam’s true achievements in history and kept it away from our books and the knowledge base. All these questions have an answer. But before getting into the details, one must understand that the call is an obligation upon all Muslims all over the world. From 632 AD to 1923, Islam was the dominant and the recognized super power in the world. Not just by merely a force to reckon with, but with the intellect and the modernism. All the sectarian differences are merely minor differences. Deobands, Brelvis, Shias and Sunnis have all been there for a long period and all pledged their allegiance to the caliph. There was one Ameer of the Ummah and the Muslims were in the forefront in the fields of science and technology, in education, in law and order, in administration, in distribution of wealth and economics, in agriculture. And to an extent that the entire west monarchy used to send their children to our universities to get higher education. What a Muslim must understand is that the presence of an Ameer upon the ummah is an obligation and one has to take it up as an obligation and strive for it. The systems of governance that Islam has clearly jotted down exist and are the most practical solutions to the common and complex problems that we face today. Not just as Muslims but also as Humans. The rights that a woman has in Islam cannot be guaranteed by any other religion or ideology anywhere in the world. The state of minorities in our country is despicable. The rights of minorities have been ripped apart like a dead carcass. And its only the true Islamic system of governance that provides the minorities with their due rights. The rights that around 200000 Jews enjoy in Iran and which is hidden from the media or maybe they just turn away their eyes from it. Systems of Judiciary, Economics, Foreign Policy, Education system and Governance are present in such detail that its just a matter of days to completely implement the so powerful and transparent system that has the highest level of obedience and accountability.
Salat (Namaz) is an obligation. Its acceptance is Gods will and benevolence and He alone is the forgiving. I dont know if my Namaz is being accepted by God or not. But that does not mean I give up my prayers now does it? I will not let go of my obligations.
The struggle will continue. And it will go on. Its like a train departing a station. It is going to leave. The choice is whether you want to sit on the platform and see it leave for the journey towards the destination or want to jump in on the train to get there.Recommend
oh well, Caliphate, yeah sure – but just one question, Will it be a Sunni Caliphate, or a Shia Caliphate, or a Deobandi Caliphate, or a Barailwee one?
Once you decide on that, we can decide on if it will be a Punjabi, Sindhi, Pushto or Balochi one?
Who exactly you think can be the next Khalifah? Zaid Hamid, ofcourse yeah. Will we have a selection process for the first Khalifah? or will it just rise out of nowhere? who will be the next Khalifah even? son of the first one? we already have that system more or less, don’t we?
Grrr. early in the morning confusion.
While the world is fighting for democracy, our youth thinks to go against the wind altogether. Recommend
Pakistan, being an ideological state can only be saved through Islamic system. Our hypocritic nature with our ideology has led the nation into the hot waters. Even the Indians say if this was your system, then why did you divided mother india? The so-called democrats have sold the nation. The current system is different from the previous one in a way that this time many people have sold us to the US. Before it was only Musharraf and his lobby.
All of us know that we are still slaves and need independence. One can understand the severity of situation by just following the Davis example. An American killer who killed two Pakistanis in broad day light, has changed the Foreign minister of our so-called great fortress of Islam and has shaken the countrys politics. Recommend
Only one question. what ever mess you want inside Pakistan you can choose. But to unite the ” Muslim Ummah” under one caliphate, who gave you the mandate? Do you think Kuwait or Dubai willing to be one caliphate with Pakistan ? Or Even Saudi or Iraq for that matter? May be Somalia or/ and Algeria may consider this as an option. What about the remaining Ummah? Military option? Pakistan is too small for that.
Ha Ha Nice dream. Recommend
Pakistani, the current divisions are due to the democratic system that creates a sectarian divide as witnessed throughout the world where ever democracy is implemented from U.K, U.S.A to India. However people of different opinions co-existed throughout the 1400 years including non Muslims. I would recommend that you read authentic Islamic history not the ones propagated by the west and implemented by our corrupt rulers.1400 years of Islam versus 100 odd years of democracy you study for yourself.Recommend
MashAllah, the call for Khilafah is growing louder. I fully support and encourage everyone to own and advocate this call for Khilafah.Recommend
Khilafat or No Khilafat ? Fundamentalist Vs Liberals ? Eastern Culture Vs Western Culture ? These all differences are more or less comes under the same Umberala Islamist Vs not so Islamist.. If you think closely democracy is not the real issue, In Pakistan people are always divided into two classes one who wants to follow the religion and one who really don’t care. The elite class of our country falls into the second category, and now somewhat middle class is also becoming part of it due to the influence of westernized culture that is so strongly promoted on our media, like a 24 hour injection. Under such a division a movement that focuses on one group of people cannot succeed, but yes these kind of movements can be effective if the goals are common to everyone : Justice, Peace, harmony and sovereignity …Recommend
@Pakistani
If the Khalifah orders electricity, petrol, and gas to be sold at cost, would you mind his sect? If he removes GST and income tax, and taxes the super rich, would you mind if he has a long, short, or no beard at all? If he rids the society of corruption and terrorism, would you mind if he wears a suit & tie or a tucks his shalwaar above his ankles? I bet most of us won’t! Get the point??? If not, let me state that if it REALLY is a Caliphate, then the Khalifah’s beliefs do not really matter, because it’s a system of governance that we’re calling towards. What matters is what is implemented, and how people’s problems are solved. How the Khalifah prays or appears is irrelevant.
Please don’t connect us with Zaid Hamid – we all know who he is and where his strings are pulled from.Recommend
I like! This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. There is hope in this nation!
The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
You have my support! May This is the youth of Pakistan delivering a message to the apologists for the Western borrowed flawed systems. I like! There IS hope for this nation!
The prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH) for the return of Islam via the Caliphate is an inevitable reality that cannot be stopped or denied. The sooner the people in the corridors of power and activists calling for other sham systems realize this and rally behind the Prophet’s call, the better!
You have my support! May Allah be with you!Recommend
We definitely support the call for Khilafah and those who are few in number and Allah knows who they represent and ask for more of this democracy plz WAKE UP!!!!Recommend
khilafat is the main reason of muslims downfall.its not the system of prophet muhammad pbuh.kindly give me reasonable proofs that khilafa is the system introuduced by prophet pbuh.kindly provide name of any recognized university built during khilafat.what good we got from khilafat?
what good 1200/1300 years of khilafat gives us.
stop braging guys…….Recommend
I am delighted to see the youth today acting like this…
1400 years ago Prophet PBUH brought a religion which is a complete code of life.. including the political system too.. Once Allah swt revealed the Ayah that Islam has been revealed completely then its quite obvious that Islam gives complete answers to the questions raised by Pakistani, Kalakawa, Bushra.. Quran states solemnly that The religion Islam is applicable for the entire humanity at any time in any century whether it be the 50th century.. till the World lasts Islam is the complete solution for everyones life.. Atleast as a muslim we should be shameful to act so arrogantly in response of a divine call for Khilafah! We as muslims dont know what our Prophet PBUH gave us.. Its simple like this:
Do you three people think that the religion which gives you the directions to enter a toilet, to enter a place and all other small matters of life would not give to answers to the big questions you raise? I think its quite unrealistic to think this way..
So please Youth4change welcome you on all sorts of such questions.. and Alhumdullilah we have satisfying answers for your common questions..
Join our circle for the answers!Recommend
@ Pakistani, on declaration of hajatul wida it was officialy announced by prophet that the deen the deen completed at that day and he has chosen islam as a code of life for ummah. now as per my knowledge, there was no sunni or shia uptill that day.every one was a muslim.
means that who so ever talks about the true islam, it means neither shia nor sunni. just muslimRecommend
It will be a Muslim Khilafah. full stop. Khaleefah is elected, accountable and representative.
By the way the demo is not done by any Zaid Hamid follower. Its by students.
The world is annihilated by democracy which is nothing but the political face of capitalism..
Take the example of India (a country with same history as same date of birth). In India where despite
1) Independant Election commision
2) Independant supreme Court
3) Uninterupted democracy
4) Strong roots of democracy
5) No group that disown democracy in contrast to many people who do not hold democracy dear
6) No military general taking over power
60% of Mumbai lives in slums (the world largest slum), more than 2.17 lac farmers commit suicide between 1998 to 2010 because of loans and 2004 parliment have 143 MLA having corruption, murder, kidnaping cases while 2008 election returning 153 MLA’s with same cases and social condition not better than Pakistan.
So with the passage of time and “maturing” of democracy, more corrupt people reach parliment (not less) as advocated by democracts. [This is your last remaining arguments for supporting democracy by the way]
And you are well aware that Europe and US are no different despite the facade of development (direct result of colonalisation and neo colonalisation NOT democracy).
YasirRecommend
To ALL THOSE WHO SAY DEMOCRACY IS BETTER:
Democracy isn’t the Islamic way of government.. Get a history review everyone!
Khilafat was the most successful way of governence and it was vanished from the face of the earth by non-muslim propaganda by naming it unfair autocratic system where people don’t have a say in the government, well actually they do! Only Islamic laws in Quran are kept supreme and are always followed.
PEOPLE U NEED TO WAKE UP. SINCE THE INDEPENDENCE NAME ONE DEMOCRATIC LEADER WHO ACTUALLY LEAD PAKISTAN AS AN INDEPENDENT ISLAMIC STATE.. THE ANSWER IS NONE! So does that show the current system of governance in Pakistan as a successful one or a failed one? you decide..Recommend
i totally agree with PAKISTANI…what do they mean by khlifah ?? if tmrw zardari says that i m changing the name of of my post the president of pakistan will now be called khalifah… and i nominate my son as the next khalifah and so on….
so they will be happy with that since that will be a khlifah system wont it beRecommend
And Junaid bhai has said the Perfect thing above, to explain the khilafat governence.Recommend
This is heartening news. We are going forward to Islamic Caliphate .I congratulate these youths. The prophecy of PBUH about Ghazwa-e-Hind will be the next news. I am sure the Pure people of Pakistan will lead muslim ummah.Recommend
All those who want khilafat should go to Waziristan. Go there and get a taste of what you want. BTW do read “real” history of your so called Khilafat.Stupid…Recommend
@Pakistani: Kindly change your nick from Pakistani to Ignorant. You should read the whole structure and procedure of Caliphate. In Pakistan almost 180 million people lives….we are not blind to choose Khalifah or Ameer out of them. @Ali Ahsan: Youth are more educated than the Parliamentarians of today. They are not little boys …they are mature enough than you and other ignorants. Islam is the only solution to save this country and the people of Pakistan. Quran and Sunnah are the supreme law…Law made by the fake degree holders are unacceptable. The only solution for the people of Pakistan is Khilafah System. Democracy is the system of Kuffar given by the western regime. Democracy asa kuffar also declared by Quran and Sunnah, kindly read Quran and Sunnah before commenting n favor of Democracy. Congratulations to those who took the first step and also to the Express Tribune who are the first to published it positively.Recommend
I don’t say democracy is better, I agree Islam does not have any factions – What I say is, it is impossible to get ‘Pakistani’ muslims under a single khilafat rule. The Prophet SAW did say that Islam is completed, but we kind of mis heard it or something. Our Islam changes every day. Getting a Khilafah at this moment of time, will be more like introducing a guerilla war of some sort. I don’t disagree with the requirement of Khilafa as I think that is the only way to contain the hypocrite Pakistanis – Force the law on them, rather expecting them to follow the law. BUT, to make that happen, the first step would be to make them believe that a shia is as good as a muslim, as a deobandi, or a barelwi – and I don’t see that happening soon.
Hence, this movement/revolution is just too immature as far as pre requisites are concerned.Recommend
I believe, if youth continue this effort. Soon this debate to ditch democracy, and establishing Khilafah will be talk of the town.Recommend
Why must everything be Islamic in Pakistan? We have had enough of it. No we have not tried democracy yet and most people in pakistan do NOT want Islamic system in Pakistan.
We want to be free. Free to dress and pray the way we want without anyone enforcing their morals on us.Recommend
Farooq Qazi..
I totally agree with u people..
and announce that v (100 people) are with you..
i belong to a magazine .. and v all need change..
please let me know ur facebook page..
to be updated..
thanxRecommend
Reading all those sadly delusional comments, I feel sorry for Pakistan, heading straight to the 7th century.
Let’s adopt an islamic government and we’ll be there soon enough.
The modern world is already looking at us with pity because of our primitive, backwards mindsets, they live several centuries ahead of us, in almost all regards…
We are suffering a huge civilisation lag because of religion, and it’s not going to get better anytime soon with such delusional appreciations of the situation.
Let’s have a look at the silliest statements issued by pro-khalifah people :
“Islam is the system that threats Capitalism,Communism.”
“the ideology of Pakistan which is La Ilaha Ilalah Muhammad Ur Rasul Lullah”
“unreasonable secular fanaticism”
“Western borrowed flawed systems”
“means that who so ever talks about the true islam, it means neither shia nor sunni. just muslim”
…
If you don’t understand what is silly in those quotes… it probably means that religion suits you too.Recommend
Very simple as a Muslim its obligation on me to drive all the orders from Islam. I have nothing ahead from Islam. If no body is following the truth then too truth remain truth. So either 150 youth are calling for Khilafah or billions the truth is “Islamic System” and its name is “Khilafah”. Now if any body ask whom khilafah then it would “Muslims” Khilafah. When you call for democracy ever its being asked whom democracy? Khilafah is a ruling system not a prayer system in which there are differences. Khilafah is not about Zaid Hamid, Hizbul Tahrir its about Iman.Recommend
@zubair:
The Khilafah (Caliphate) is a general leadership over all Muslims in the world. Its responsibility is to implement the laws of the Islam system and convey the Islamic Message to the rest of the world.
The Khilafah ruling system bears no resemblance to any of the governments in the Muslim world today. Although many commentators and historians have tried to interpret the Khilafah within existing political frameworks, it is in fact a unique political system.
The Khaleefah (Caliph) is the head of state in the Khilafah. He is not a king or dictator but an elected leader whose authority to rule must be given willingly by the Muslims through a special ruling contact called baya. Without this baya he cannot be the head of state. This is completely opposite to a king or dictator who imposes his authority through coercion and force. The tyrant kings and dictators in the Muslim world are ample examples of this, imprisoning and torturing the Muslims and stealing their wealth and resources.
This contract of baya stipulates that the Khaleefah must be just and rule the people by sharia. He is not sovereign and cannot legislate laws from his own mind that suit his personal and family interests. Any legislation he wishes to pass must be derived from the Islamic legal sources through a precise and detailed methodology called ijtihad. If the Khaleefah legislates any law contrary to this or commits oppression against his people, the highest and most powerful court in the State – the Unjust Acts Court (mahkamat muzalim) can impeach the Khaleefah and order his removal from office.
The Khaleefah has been likened by some to a Pope, who is the Spiritual Head of all Muslims, infallible and appointed by God. This is not the case as the Khaleefah is not a priest. His post is an executive post within the Islamic government. He is not infallible and can make mistakes, which is why many checks and balances exist within the Islamic system to ensure he and his government remain accountable.
The Khaleefah is not appointed by Allah rather he is elected by the Muslims and assumes authority through the contract of baya. The Khilafah is not a theocracy. Its legislation is not restricted to religious and moral codes that neglect the problems of society. Shari’ah is a comprehensive system that legislates on political, social, economic, foreign policy and judicial matters. Economic progress, elimination of poverty and enhancing the people’s standard of living are all goals the Khilafah will aim to achieve. This is completely opposite to the backward, medieval theocracies founded in Europe during the middle ages where the poor were forced to work and live in squalid conditions in return for the promise of heaven. Historically the Khilafah was an immensely wealthy state with a flourishing economy, high standard of living and a world leader in industry and scientific research for centuries.Recommend
@Abdullah:
Open Quran and Hadith books very clearly you would find outRecommend
@ Farooq Qazi:
whts the link of ur facebook page?Recommend
Excellent! Yes we need Caliphate! We need Islam! Big Big No to democracy and dictatorshipsRecommend
Before you get all excited about your Khalifa and nizam-e-Islam
Stand on your own feet. You guys are surviving on donation by the
American and the West, without there help your very existences is doubtful
You have a long way to go before you realize your dream
Talk is always cheapRecommend
So far all types of governments have failed Pakistan. If you think an Islamic government will resurrect Pakistan and restore glory, you are fools. In the current situation, what will happen is the Wahabism will take over and Pakistan will become another Afganistan. You have proved again and again that moderate islamic voices do not have any voice in Pakistan. All intellectualls and talented people will flee Pakistan. Women will become slaves in their own homes. Science and technology will disappear as open minded thinking will no longer be encouraged. You might say an Islamic state is like Utopia. Many years ago, it might have worked. But not with the current situation in Pakistan. If you focus on improving scientific education, remove corruption, any type of govt will work. First work on the basic necessities needed for a government. Then decide which type of govt you would need.Recommend
Brainwashed by the American secular influence are those who oppose the call of Islam.. The Khilafah.. Either you are working for Islam or Against it!Recommend
Delusional bunch calling for a 7th centuary system. Please go and live in Tora bora caves, behead each other, keep concubines, rape young girls and dream about conquring the whole world to implement the barbaric system.No wonder the the whole civilized world considers them a pain!! Recommend
All systems are man made be it monarchy,democracy,khalafat etc.no system is fool proof.it depends how people use the system.we should be realistic and be open minded.democracy and khalafat are almost same and i support democracy for one simple reason and that is one doesn’t need to kill someone to remove them from office because in democracy we have fixed tenure!!Recommend
Its heartening to see people calling towards REAL change for once, and not just change of FACES. We Pakistanis in particular, and the Muslim Ummah in general, have been seeing changes of faces for the past 87 years since the abolishment of the Khilafah. It is about time that this mess that the colonials have left behind (Their system and puppet rulers included), be replaced with the system which is a blessing for all humanity. i.e The Khilafah.Recommend
Mashallah !!!
Only Khilafah is the solution for pakistanis and all muslims in this world.
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Mashallah !!!
Only Khilafah is the solution for pakistanis and all muslims in this world.
I”am from Ukraine.Recommend
Love the fact that most comments on this post are IGNORANT of what democracy, secularism, and politics are about! :)
Lol…Pakistan ney Islami dunya ki naakamiyon ka theka nahin leh rakha!
Good luck making all non-Pakistani Muslims accept your brand of religiously motivated idiocy!Recommend
@Yasir and India’s $ 1 trillion economy came from where? not from some caliph. how about China? South Korea? Japan anyone? colonialism and neo colonialism? look at Germany. they used to sell money as toys during WWII. last i saw there weren’t any caliphs there. nor were they a colonial power. as for those who were, it’s been 60 years and they’re still the richest. and the richest Muslim states are either democratic, Malaysia, Turkey, or oil-rich, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrian. those with dictators, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon or semi-Islamic governments, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia are collecting in the dustRecommend
The Shameful Hizb-ul-tahrir sponsored drama, planned in Punjab University, with a decision to not show any HT colors. Recommend
@Yasir,
“It will be a Muslim Khilafah. full stop. Khaleefah is elected, accountable and representative.”
That is democracy, is it not? Call the person in power what you will, Caliph, King or President, the legitimacy for the individual in power comes from the people. That many would argue is the essence of democracy, which one after reading your statement could be left confused regarding what the exact difference is in the system you purpose.
If a Caliphate is established how to do you propose to keep this person accountable?
I have read many of the individuals explaining how the system would work, but have yet to find someone providing concrete answers. If anything, some of the descriptions seem like either a democratic system or a monarchy/dictatorship with the world muslim/Islam in front of it. Junaid has attempted to make clear how this system would work by stating that a person of integrity would be selected who has had a good track record, but who decides that this person’s track record is good or bad? Most of the clergymen (malvis) in Pakistan can not see eye to eye when it comes matters pertaining to Islam, whose moral/political/religious standards do you purpose to use to decide the person’s track record?
He further states “To the question if it is another form of dictatorship or oppressive: people should keep in mind that Khalifah has no impunity, no exemption from law and no right to even legislate.. he is always open to accountability in its true sense. He has to be, and is bound to be, a guardian of his people”… but my the question that is raised in my mind is how? How does he rule then when he doesn’t have power to legislate? What roles does he perform in order to guard his people? How is he (again I reiterate) open to accountability? What mechanisms do you have in place to make sure that Caliph does not abuse the powers bestowed upon him? By saying that he is accountable, by saying that he is bound to be a guardian of his people will not make him so. There needs to be a mechanism.
Past glories are being pointed to as a reason for the adoption of the Caliphate system, but without a proper understanding of the various nuances of the historical past. There were many Leaders/Empires with Islam as the central faith…but none of the empires had a direct link to one another from the Ummayid, Abbasid, Ayyubid to Ottoman and Safavid (who coexisted at the same time and were constantly battling each other) these are just a few. The all encompassing term of “Islamic Empire” where all empires of who had muslim rulers are lumped into one is a term that was created by Historical Orientalist is rather misleading and does a great disservice to understanding the historical narratives of the various muslims from different parts of the world.
I too feel frustrated with Democracy, but its the best system we have, it gives people the opportunity to represent their interest, to hold their leaders accountable. Although this system is not giving us that. Let us not just give up on it. There is no such thing as a perfect system, but at least within democracy we can exercise our rights to choose our representatives… which is a great power to have. Recommend
NO PLEASE NO !!!!!!
this is totally ridiculous !
i think the protesters don’t know what the Islamic rule really means in PAKISTAN !
and i think i am not wrong if i say that the guy who corrupted millions of Rs in the Hajj case was also a religious person !
Religious law would mean, compulsory beard, compulsory veil, woman can not work anywhere, all in all mullahs would be ruling us, for whom Islam is just about having a beard and prayers.
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First get rid of Zardari and his companions then try for caliphate! You are trying to live in a dream world. Get up 180 million population has been fooled by Zardari and chalay khilafat bananay! Ghar se bahir nikalna seekho pehlay. 150 log ikhatay kar ke against democracy revolution lana chah rahay hain! Dimagh larao pehlay koi aisa president lao jo yeh sab kuch karna janta ho us ke baad khilafa ka socho!Recommend
Pakistan is a JokeFest Seriously!
Do you know why there is no caliphate around at this time? It is because it failed! Do not tell me that Angreezon ney kya tha! How were the angreez able to do it? It was because the system was not able to resist pressure and it had failed. If the system had any merit why would it go away? So you want it to be back again so that you have another chapter in your history books about its failure.
It is one of the most exploitative system that one could ever imagine and no wonder only Pakistanis can imagine it.Recommend
I am dead sure all those supporting the so called Islamic system of governance would also be the ones who adore Qadri for killing Salman taseerRecommend
@ the Khilafat Movement: Sorry guys, but you have lost the plot! This might have escaped your notice but your kind have actually been proven redundant in the recent uprisings in the muslim world!!
You’d be better off just calling for an end to the sham feudal democracy in Pakistan and replacing the current leadership with true representatives of the people. Please leave ‘Islam’ out of it, enough people have been fooled in the name of religion. Religion is peoples’ personal business, don’t make a mockery of it any more.Recommend
okey is this the islamic way to call for khalifa ? can some one provesRecommend
What i dont understand here is the assumption that a system will operate on its own in a fair and impartial way. Systems are run by people and are only as good as the ones running them. How do we expect an Islamic system to work when all the people who are running it are going to be the same? Even according to the current laws the life and property of every citizen is supposed to be guaranteed and you are supposed to have impartial judicial systems. These things did not fail because they were un-islamic. They failed because we as a nation have a shallow moral and civic sense of responsibility. The same systems are working in all the first world and they seem to be doing a lot better than us. What is required is honesty first. Just calling something Islamic is not going to reform it on its own. That will only replace one ruler with another. Recommend
Pakistanis believe in a utopian dream. Not a single muslim or scholar has a same view of islam, that i came across and every one says he/she is the right. I am an Indian/Hindu and i approve this message.Recommend
Again the crazy mullah brigade and all there supporters. The first day a Kalifah is put in power the second day he will be assassinated by the mullah brigade because he was not from their sect (AKA Kafir). Democratic system was never totally established in Pakistan. It will take time but things will get better. This Kalifah non-sense is never going to happen. The mullah needs to find another salman taseer or veena to vilify methinks they are running on empty right now.Recommend
Alhamdulillah. These youth are calling for the deen of Allah. These are not Muslims who pay mere lipservice to Islam but call for its systems to be implemented in state and society. Khilafah is the solution to Pakistan’s social, economic and security problems. Pakistan has stumbled on since creation and today is on the brink of collapse. Well done these youth. I would call on all Pakistani Muslims to study the system of Allah and reject not just the US but also their rotten system. Recommend
May Allah bless these youth.Recommend
Khilaph is the only way to escape Pakistan.Recommend
I am an Indian, and a Hindu. Can’t decide what is right for Pakistan, but if RSS and Shiv Sena ever decide on a Hindu system, I’ll be the 1st to fight against it. Democracy, regardless of its flaws, has served us well and that’s where the discussion stops for me as far as India is concerned. It gives us an opportunity to throw bad apples out every 5 years.
From what I’ve seen, Priests, Pujaris, or Fathers, when it comes to money or power, most of them forget their saint-hoods and behave like ordinary mortals. So, I want to keep the real power with the people, not with an individuals or committees however saintly or religious they may be. Recommend
These so called youth belong to utopian Khalifah dreaming group Hizbut Tehrir.Recommend
I bet 90 percent of them can’t even define ‘Islamic governance’. This is ridiculous!Recommend
This country’s democracy has been IMPROPER and IMMATURE! why? because the FAUJIS have ruled Pakistan for more than 30 years of its 64 year history! Any intervening period in democracy has NEVER been allowed to properly set in. If you dont like the leaders in power now…well DONT VOTE FOR THEM! Wait another 2 years, and vote for someone else then!
If you boys want Caliphate, my suggestion is grow a beard, stop wearing jeans, and head off to Waziristan! THAT will be the future of this country if some deluded religiously motivated idiot power system takes over!
Enjoy getting flogged in public, limbs chopped off, beheaded, and having people like the Sipah-e-Sahaba, JUI, JI, Lashkar Taiba, Taliban etc holding the power in a ‘caliphate’ in Pakistan!
Your understanding of Islamic history is a JOKE! You forget how many civil wars, bloodshed, corruption, incompetence etc has been involved in your beloved Caliphate! Look how the Sahaba ended up fighting each other when Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Ali were in power! the Ummayads vs Abbasid civil war, etc etc etc…lol, the Mughals NEVER accepted a Caliph because they were at odds with the Ottomans and Safavids.
and dont forget, the Ottomans were pretty much finished by the 18th Century, and their survival was only due to the help of Brits, French, and Germans (Crimean War!) to maintain the Sultan at throne just to stop the Russians from taking over and causing separatist movements to tear Europe and Middle East apart! Recommend
This false conservatism among the so-called ‘educated middle classes’ in Pakistan just shows how deluded they are!
While the Arab World is fighting for FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, and EQUALITY to progress and prosper into the 21st Century….we are fighting for the opposite and trying to go back in time in a bygone era we know NOTHING about and are ignorant of the modern world.
Wake up!Recommend
these r all dreams which will never cme true…..and than ppl will select nominees for caliph from their provinces
SINDH ………………………ZARDARI
PUNJAB……………………..NAWAZ
BALOCHISTAN……………..RAISANI[[[ and many other nominees including bugti tribe leaders]]]
KP…………………………….WALI AND THE GROUP
GB……………………………..SUM1 FROM PPP
so wats the use of publishing such crap in express tribune
well those want 2 dream its their right ……….go ahead………….Recommend
I humbly submit my name for the slot of Caliph.Recommend
Khilafat comes later, first Pakistan needs to prepare for the culmination of at least 1-2 generations that were not fed haram, that pray punctually, that is good to others(Huqooq ul ibada) and that is willing to live simple life without imitating westerners who lack a civilization.
Once all these are mastered and perfected, the birth of Khilafat will automatically occur, but without sincere efforts it is not going to come by.
I do not say this to degrade the youth, I value their thoughts along this idea but “we” need to move on beyond thoghts and ideas and act in practical sense only then can we accomplish anything of the sort.
Best wishes
May Allah bless you with success in establishing the deen in every household and futher, ameen.Recommend
Talk it cheap its time for action.Recommend
For all those who have questions and are rational and educated people who truly and sincerely want to understand the system of governance as prescribed by the Qur’an and Sunnah are invited to have an open discussion about this.
For all those concerned people, who feel the pain of the poor and the oppressed, who really want a change and have a question as to how the Khilafah can address the issues of today can join the discussion sessions. These are open discussion sessions and questioning is encouraged as we believe that one question can erase many doubts in many minds.
Be it the Economics, Education, Social Reform, Judicial System, Defense & Production Policy, Foreign Policy, Administrative Policy, Land reforms, or Agricultural Reform. All questions have solid answers as per authentic evidences from the Qur’an & Sunnah. And also that its an obligation on the Muslim Ummah to have a Caliph at all times.
For discussions;
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pakistan-Intellectuals/348207900409
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=138693456191842&index=1
For all those suggesting that the seekers of the divine truth should go to the tribal belt and the tora bora mountains, I suggest to them that they should apply for US & UK Immigration. I’m sure their applications will be entertained and will not be rejected. Live in the system that is for you.
Thankyou.Recommend
So what Pakistan is saying by not implementing an Islamic system is that the Islamic system is flawed, but why name yourself an Islamic country then? Why Pakistan in the first place? Recommend
Whatever system we adopt our fate is going to be based on the type of leadership we bring in. Let’s say for argument purposes we do adopt the system where we have a khalipa. Now who is this Khalifa going to be is the bigger question. If the khalifa is going to be elected to begin with won’t this just be another form of democracy which can’t be over ruled later, if so this could give way to more injustice. Recommend
I think we should not neatly divide those who are against and in favor of democracy or khilafat. In countries like Pakistan (and I’m sure in the Middle East too) democracy is equated with Americanism. And if you look at the last couple of decades it is the concept of democracy which has been exploited by the US for its political gains. See how dictators like Musharraf and Zia used it to live up to the expectations of the US. And the reason why these youths are demonstrating against democracy is that they are convinced the ‘democratically elected’ leaders would be puppets in the hands of the US. Disillusioned with democracy they are able to find an alternative in khilafat, no matter how vague and trimmed by pious imagination. But this is how it is. The concept of democracy has been been exploited by none other than those who vouch for it.
What the intelligentsia should do is to create alternate models and not just stick to the older ones. Khilafat is not possible any more, democracy is not trusted by the masses, at least in theory. Like Plato’s philosopher-king.Recommend
All those who think they can bring about any system of government, whether it is Islamic, Christian, democratic, communist or a dictatorship are naive to think that just by bringing about a different system there will be a positive change. No matter how perfect one interpretation of the Islamic system may seem to one person, it will seem imperfect to another. To top it all off, our people are corrupt to the roots. How many of us are honest through and through, fair and just, and capable enough to be leaders while being experts in their fields? How many progressive scholars do we have in our midst, and how many Qadris will be ready to kill them in the name of their own conservative views? We are a corrupt and intolerant people and we will make a travesty of the Islamic system because no matter how good the intentions of the people, sooner or later corruption and religious intolerance will take over and plunge us into a religiously fired civil war.Recommend
this is disconcerting… hope not all youth in Pakistan think like them.Recommend
This is height of ignorance…. on the same stage people are calling for Egypt like movements and chanting against ‘democracy’ for which Egyptians are actually fighting for… first get your facts right :)Recommend
It is good to know that youth care for Islam, but the main point is: Who will you put at helm in Caliphate? I am not against Caliphate System, but I dont see it working with all the sectarian thing in our country where the people of different sects dont even offer prayers behinds imam of from other sect. Recommend
@Ali Ahsan Sb,
I just want to say lol to You.Recommend
@BushraS:
my thoughts exactly! these are just a bunch of loonies fantasizing about the bygone era. The true motive for them is power. Their demand for the closure of American Embassies and consulates which means ending diplomatic relationships with the US, just shows how weak their cause is. Recommend
what is wrong with the youth in Pakistan??? Do they even know what they’re asking for? Classic emotionalism just because they’re upset with the current democratically elected leaders. Well you are a part of democracy, exactly what you would be proposing for this so called “Khilafah”, in which you would be electing an Ameer anyway, so what is the problem with democracy exactly if your governance will be elected by the people. The youth needs to stop acting so emotional and childish and stop demanding things that were suited for the 8th Century. Times have changed, we as Muslims have also evolved. If you want people power, then make the systems that are present in your country work, don’t call for completely outdated and ridiculous changes. People are laughing at this youth movement and how sad it is that they’re trying to compare themselves to the brave people of Egypt. These kids in Pakistan calling for a Khilafa need to educate themselves about the world they live it. They are trying to isolate Islam and are giving it a poor image. They are doing a massive disservice to Islam by making it a laughing stock for other people. These silly kids are dangerously making Islam a mockery. They should be ashamed and punished. Anybody who calls for a Caliphate is a completely deluded individual. You think you will get support the way the world rallied with the Egyptians? Get your facts right, every Egyptian who protested was against the idea of a Caliphate. Even their Muslim Brotherhood is against this outdated concept. You students think you’re being noble and brave by asking for an uneducated change, you will only be ridiculed by everybody else in the world, including over 80% of worldwide Muslims. You guys are deluded, this call for a Khilafa is a ridiculous hard line take of Islam that is alienating these people from society. Have you ever asked the mother of a violent young angry muslim youth who calls for khilafah and death to the kuffar??? Have you ever asked her how she feels? 99 times out of a 100 she will weep and lament want went wrong! You kids need to wake up and learn about the world you live in! Recommend
The Islamic system of Government in its truest form ended when one group of people opinion and choices differed with the other. This happened a few decades after the demise of Prophet Mohammad (SAW), the Muslims back then were better Muslims than us who chose Islam rather than being born Muslim. Compared to the muslims of today, they were uncorruptable and look what happened: sects were created, Sunni and Shiatte and they have been fighting ever since then. How will these young men get past that? whose law will be preferred? most laws maybe the same but what about those laws that are not?
and ending diplomatic relationships with the US? Ok! US is evil but will ignoring the evil make it go away? thats their ingenious idea?
These are just a few questions I have for them and if all of these people, infact if not all Muslims can provide a unanimous answer to it, than this will not work.Recommend
If we really love the Prophet pbuh then surely we should adopt the system that our Creator revealed to him, the KHILAFAH. Just as there is no wahabi, barelwi, shia, hanafi, etc, Economic system similarly the is no wahabi, barelwi, shia, hanafi, etc KHILAFAH.
This is the only way forward.Recommend
Can a lady become Khalifah ???Recommend
Please choose your favorite Khalifah from the following
1- Hakimullah Mehsood
2- Gen. Hamid Gul
3- Imran Khan
4- Munawwar Hassan
5- Moulana Fazlur Rehman
6- Zaid Hamid
7- Asif Zardari
8- Nawaz Sharif
9- Altaf Hussain
10- Dr. Pervaiz HoodhbhoyRecommend
yes we need justice . every one wants their rights then why pakistani nation is not. every nation have power to do every thing in their countries and have right to choose their leaders. so wake up pakistani nation wake up . we youth have power lets show our power. we want to release dr afia tell to USA. Recommend
what khilafat you are talking about it didnt work first time it wouldnt work now.
p.s im talking about khilafat after kulfa-e-rashideenRecommend
What about sharia?Recommend
We have tested democracy and also dictatorship.. former is the rule of “FEW” and later the “one man show”..these both are suppressing us.. i agree with CALIPHATE and islamic systemRecommend
Its like blind people discovering a pot of gold(democracy) and not knowing what to do of it. Don’t blame the system if you do not know how to work that system. All other political systems (and specially those based on religion) cannot be better system than democracy.Recommend
islam and khilafat is the only solution for pakistan.democracy and dictatorship brought the nation to these condition.khilafat is the only system that resolve all issues and problem we are facing.if we believe the Allah is most powerful then its our duty to accept and implement Allah system.and i think time has come to do that.because screening has begun.those who want to be the part of it then join the cause and those who are abdicated to western culture,life style and system.They will face Allah anger.so no way to escape and neither one can help you escape.Recommend
May Allah Help all those striving for a Islamic System in Pakistan, whatsoever is the name and party.Recommend
The youth here in Hyderabad organised a demo in support of the peoples movement in the middle east, the popular struggle against ANTI-DEMOCRATIC REGIMES INSTALLED BY THE USA…. That event was never reported in the media despite the fact that the demo was organized in front of the press club….NOW I CALL THIS MEDIA BLOCKAED IN PAKISTAN…..Why people think that these jeans wearing youth represent the youth in this country? their dress represents the 21st C, while their minds dwell in the 17th…..
The cure for the ills of freedom is more freedom….
Khalifa? Who you think can be the Khalifa here? Try as you may, Sindh, and Balochistan willl never accept such a system ….If Punjab decides for the collctive suicide in the name of a medieval system, its free to do so…provided we are free to decide our fates as we see fit then.
The Urdu media in the country is biased and pro-reaction…..a large section of it is doing the jihad from the tv…
Long live peoples struggle for democracy, peace, secularism and social equality
cheers!Recommend
Islam… use it. abuse it. use it to kill. use it for power. use it you must. you want the fascism of the mullah in iran. you want a kingdom (called khilafah) where you want to be king telling people that whatever the government says is Islam. Please stop abusing Islam. Stop these narahs that khilafa will change everything and become a little mature.
You propagate nothing but violence. For you Islam is about violence because it is about power & you want to involve the Pak-military. You want your own Qadris who start killing people in the name of Khilafah. Its sad that you propagate this violent Islam in the land of the Sufis.
What ideology you talk of? Islam is not your ideology. Your ideology is Islamism – the powder keg that is at the root of terrorism, killing, extremism, intolerance in this society because you think that they can make fools of people by using Islam. You want Political Islam without understanding that Belief & Politics cant go together as politics involves compromises and there is no compromise in belief. So when you come to power, you’ll declare all those who differ with you Infidels (kafirs). You want Peace of the Dead.Recommend
Caliphate is gone and not coming back. These youths should also elaborate on what exactly “Islamic system” is ? Recommend
Maybe people should try to come up with something new, original! Freedom and equality, for instance.Recommend
Lets get our facts right. Islamic rulers did very well till Industrial revolution moved Europeans far ahead of everyone else. So please all was NOT well till Caliphate was in place. The Mughals in the subcontinent lost it in 1700s and so did the Spanish rule of Muslims ended in 1492!!
The main question which everyone is ducking is this: In these modern times should people be free to do what they want or not or should they be bound by Islam. If I believe Islam is superior, I will follow it but that doesn’t give me a right to force others. We need to fight for this right to freedom since it also gives our brothers the right to freely practice Islam in non-Islamic countries.
Democracy is not the best system there is but it sure gives us the space to debate what is good for us. Caliphate doesn’t. A protest against the Caliphate rule would have resulted in death sentences for all these youth. So the BASIC right of every human being to think and do what is good for them without harming other people needs to be respected. It pains me to see that we are not even debating the right issues. Religion is important but it should improve us as human beings not regress us. Prophet (pbuh) made a giant leap forward which was good for us but why are we not interpreting his teachings keeping the social context in mind.
Reminds me of what Bernard Shaw said: Islam is the best religion with the worst followers :-(Recommend
I agree to this call… Khilafah is the only solution for Pakistan and the rest of the muslim ummah and humanity!!Recommend
I think Salman Taseer was killed unjustly according to Islam. My friend doesn’t. Will the Caliph cater to both views? he can’t can he. there’s too many different interpretations of Islam. no one man or one group can change thatRecommend
We do not need an “Islamic System.” What our country needs right now is a real, HONEST leader who knows how to actually deal with the problems we face as a country and not flee and when your country is literally knee-deep in problems. The problem is, there is NO one who’s honest anymore. Our youth feels the need to get out of Pakistan as soon as they can.
We dont need to protest against democracy. We need to UNITE and move forward keeping the country’s interest our priorities rather than our own personal gain.Recommend
Just more crazy stuff!Recommend
@ Farooq Qazi
well you seem to take a lot of things at face value. The Capliphate from 632 – 1923. how would you define the Caliphate? would you define it as the passing of the government form father to son that took place after Mua’wiah passed on the Caliphate to Yazid? somehow i have a problem with that. Seems like monarchy to me. After this the rule remained in one family or the other with changes resulting from coups or the fact that there was no direct male heir to the throne. and the changes did not take place just because the next in line wasn’t upto the task of leading the Ummah. and there were times when there were alternate Caliphates runninng in the Muslim world. e.g Caliphate of Cordoba in spain from the roughly 900 CE. and yet at the same time you cannot deny the progress during the time period. how to account for that. I would actually look at the fact that the Muslims at the time were a lot more open to learning at the time then we are today. During those times Baghdad used to be the center of learning and it did not matter whether you were a muslim scholar or not you were welcome there. Plus there was no hesitancy in learning from civilizations of old and building upon them. take the ancient greeks as an example. had muslims not translated arisototle and plato into arabic the so called foundations of philosophy would have been lost. fast forward around 500 years and we had muslims calling for boycotting the english language learning (Sir Syed’s time). so the problem lies in the change in mentality. we are not as open to learning as we were. we want things handed to us in a plate.
and as for the differences between sects being small. Please argue that with Saudi Arabia and Iran, flagbearers of the sectarianism. we have Saudi Arab calling for sanctions against Iran and Iran bankrolling the Shiaite movement in Pakistan while Saudis funded the Afghan war.
Anyways i’m going off point. the point is simple. The problems faced by Pakistan or the Ummah in general cannot be solved by a mere change in system of government. what needs to change is attitude more then anything else and that is what we should spend our energies towards.Recommend
A book by Mohammad Asad( born Leopold Wiess) ” The principles of state and government in Islam:” should be useful for this debate. He was an Austrian journalist in middle east, became best scholar on Islam. He also translated The Quran in english.Recommend
Taking history out of context is the biggest injustice that Muslims commit.
Khilafa is NOT the way.Recommend
I believe that Khilafah is not the option, rather its the only option we are left with.Recommend
Muslims nation really needs to understand the importance of Khilafat for Muslims all over the world and ultimately needs to stand for it.Recommend
@Farooq Qazi: Nice words to explain.Recommend
Dear commentators…. Islam is a guidline for life but are we doing the same in our daily lives. I believe; are we not good followers of Islam? No its nt like that, I supprt islamic system and have no affect/effect from the west on me… I support islamic system as being followed in Iran and as in saudia…. but can we do it in pakistan. I guess we shall divide pakistan in 72 parts first. One for wahabis, one for deobandis, one for shias and so on…. and one for liberals and one for minorities too. Because everyone’s definition of islam is different and if you have a right to govern on the basis of ideology, i guess non muslims residing in pakistan shall be given their right proportion tooRecommend
I agree that we need Caliphate as long as I get to be Caliph….Recommend
The whole world has been moving towards delinking religion from governance, except for Pak and Iran. Democracy may not be an ideal system, but it offers the choice to the people, not the mullahs. The pursuit of linking religion with governance has failed over the last 2000 years, as history has proved. Democracy will at least the voices of all groups- religious, sects, geographies, linguistics, economic, to be heard. If the people make a bad choice, they get bad results, but THEY chose. Recommend
@salman, and how, pray tell, will the Caliph achieve these exemplary tasks? And what advantages will there be to having a Caliph vs a democratic leader who may achieve the same. you never answered Pakistani’s key question, who will be the caliph?? if you haven’t decided yet, then do so before championing the cause. And yes sir, religious ideology will still be a problem since there is vast disagreement on islamic law between different sects and since religion will be the base, these kinks need to be sorted out first. i dont mind an islamic system, i just don’t think its practical today, i don’t agree that the Caliphate system will justify the teachings of Islam either. The first 4 caliphs were exemplary men, proven to have great character. i don’t see you finding such a man today, or guaranteeing that they will not be tempted. Consultation and shurah have been largely emphasized in islam and in that way, i think democracy agrees with our religion.Recommend
agree completely with author.Recommend
The debate above is full of rehtoric and smells of Hizb ut Tehrir. During my intercations with Hizb people, never have found them clear on history, geography, economics or politics. Khilafat is not a jadoo ki chaari. Kids you need a system and that system is quite diverse and expansive than the Khilafat you idealise. What you lack is serious body of academic and research based work. Yeah emotionalism sellls, so keeep sellling it. Recommend
What will be and not be is not mans knowledge. Only our Creator knows and forges the future. Allah SWT & his Messenger have promised the victory and the return of the Khilafah. Our job is to work for it according to the method of the Prophet pbuhRecommend
Pak’s problems are not because of democracy, but the people running the country in the name of democracy. Democracy never told anyone to abuse the system and loot the country. Khalifah will have the same problems as democracy has, because the people on top are the same. Bring in Honest and sincere people and any system will work. Recommend
Lol @ khilafat…all of you please tell how many have read history of our 1300 year khilafat? some facts about khilafats are…99% of the rulers were killed by their own sons brother and nephews for the sake of power. there was no system to transfer power. Since khilafat muslims have gone power hunger nd its still evident every where…who ever gets a position doesnt beleive in leaving it except he is being thrown by a stronger army/brother/son. Umaya, Abbas, Osman and even sub continent…i challange you to read history nd prove me wrong and ask these confused illeterate youth based on your beloved 1300 year system (excluding 1st 4 caliphs which is barely 20 odd years) what was our economic system in khilafat? how rulers and govts were elected? wat was the opposition role and accountability process? and in 1300 years how banu umaya era ended how banu abbas and othman empire ended? :) cheers
Islam gives set of rules and doesnt give a governance system. one of the which gives democratic rights is Amro Hum Benu Shura Hum!Recommend
Dear God! This is IDIOCY of the HIGHEST Order….
These people claim that they want nothing to do with democracy. YET, are supporting the Egyptians in Tahris Square. How does one do that kind of mental acrobatics.
The Egyptians were themselves asking for democracy. To a man they wanted democracy.
They wanted to make their voices heard and count.
They did NOT ask for any khalifa or a king. EVEN the ikhwan ul Muslimun were asking for and believe in democracy.
Read the Ikhwans’s Manifesto. It mentions a democractic future for Egypt.
Democracy is inherently in line with the Quranic injunction from Allah that asks Muslims to settle and decide their affairs after ‘Mutual consultation’.
So these people are at best misguided and at worst complete idiots.
HOW can you be anti democracy and STILL support Tahris Square?
Just a pathetic attempt to hitch their idiotic message to the most grand and courageous act of the egyptian people.
I showed this to an egyptian friend of mine. He is laughing his head off.
Sad. Very Sad.Recommend
To those who are against capitalism.
As I understand Islamic system of business is not different from that of capitalism where the invester of capital take a lot and leave small enough for his labour so that they can live alive and continue supplying their labour to the capitalist. If I am wrong, please correct me and tell me. Is there any limit or %age of earning profits. Limit under the guidance of Quraan Kareem or Hadis e Mubarak. Please give reference so that I can go through it. Recommend
Can Khilfah be a last straw to save Pakistan from drowning, I have my doubts, Honesty, Principles, truthfullness, hardwork, science, technoolgy, understanding can save Pakistan, Afghanistan, the neighbour had its own share of experiments Monarchy, Democracy, Socialism, Talibanism. I think, Demorcarcy worked best in Afg.
After so many experiments in last 63years why not try Khilafah, will it work ?Recommend
Clamouring for such a foolish system of governance, it is unimaginable. But then it is our collective failure that this progeny of Ziaulhaq, was not exposed to liberal and progressive thoughtRecommend
I did a search on Wikipedia on Hizb Ut Tahrir, and they do have a lot of research on the various political systems, Islamic systems (including Economics, Judiciary, Foreign Policy, & Education), and a detailed elaboration of the Khilafat Political structure. They are the biggest Islamic Political Party with people from all schools of thought. This is quite impressive…..I actually support the unification of the entire Muslim Ummah from Morocco to Indonesia. Imagine the emergence of such a nation, and the influence…plus no more travel headache for Pakistani Passport holders.Recommend
comments are stinking.Recommend
“From 632 AD to 1923, Islam was the dominant and the recognized super power in the world. Not just by merely a force to reckon with, but with the intellect and the modernism. All the sectarian differences are merely minor differences. Deobands, Brelvis, Shias and Sunnis have all been there for a long period and all pledged their allegiance to the caliph. There was one Ameer of the Ummah and the Muslims were in the forefront in the fields of science and technology, in education, in law and order, in administration, in distribution of wealth and economics, in agriculture. And to an extent that the entire west monarchy used to send their children to our universities to get higher education.”
The above delusion alone justifies the skepticism that I and other Pakistanis have about this “Khilafat” system. Its supporters need to elaborate what exactly Khilafat and “islamic system” is and how it will work. Declaring your love for Islam is not an answer as Islam is a religion not a political system.Recommend
Please tell me about Iran. I think Iran is ruled under Islamic Law. Has there been observed any change since the Rule of Ahmedeen Nijadi?Recommend
@Angelos:
totally agree with your point!Recommend
This is misinformed, maybe even bordering on the bizarre. The Khilafat created the shia/sunni divide, anybody remember?) and caused wars among muslims that killed thousands (Omar vs. Ayesha). And let’s not kid ourselves when we say it was a time of peace and prosperity – there were plenty of non-muslims killed in conquests from India to Spain. Plus the way it is being defined here, it sounds more like these kids and their online followers a presidential system of government that’d like to call khilafat. And forming a pan-muslim khilafat, that’s just absurd. One exception, I’d be happy with Khilafat if I were the Khalifa!Recommend
@Salman,
“If the Khalifah orders electricity, petrol, and gas to be sold at cost” he would be instantly lynched. Each one of these commodities are sold BELOW cost in Pakistan today, way below. And that’s exactly why we don’t get enough.Recommend
khilafat has been tried and failed. have you forgotten that the turks themselves decided to abolish the system and get rid of their corrupt and ineffective “khalifa” and that it took a secular nationalist like ataturk to save turkey from total defeat at the hands of the western powers? and what became of the various islamic khalifas in other parts of the world besides turkey? if this was such a perfect system, why isn’t it still in existence today? by the early 20th century the so called khalifas were already long gone. and even when they were in power, “khalifa” was just a an excuse for absolute monarchy based in which power was handed down from father to son. the “khalifa” in turkey was just the ottoman emperor. given this track record, i would ask my misguided little zaid hamid followers to reflect on history and reality and perhaps agitate for secular nationalism instead, in which the mullahs are exiled, given the option of renouncing their “mullah-hood” and living lives as ordinary productive citizens, or hung from the nearest tree. look at where turkey is now, and where pakistan is. case closed. Recommend
khilafah was only there in khulfa-e-rashideen period.. hmm later on we were tangled in the web of various schools of thought… not anti khilafat if it can actually be implemented in spirit.. but y through army????????Recommend