Davis may also face espionage charge

Published: February 9, 2011

Pakistani police escort arrested US national Raymond Davis (C) to a court in Lahore. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

ISLAMABAD: In an interesting twist to the  Lahore double murder involving a US ‘diplomatic official’, prosecutors have recommended that an espionage case be also registered against him, sources said on Tuesday.

Raymond Davis is already facing charges for killing two Pakistani motorcyclists in a busy marketplace of Lahore on January 27.

“Keeping in view the nature of the case it is strongly recommended that a case of espionage be registered against Davis,” the prosecution branch of the Punjab police has written in an official letter to the investigation branch.

“During the course of investigation, police retrieved photographs of some sensitive areas and defence installations from Davis’ camera,” a source told The Express Tribune requesting anonymity. “Photos of the strategic Balahisar Fort, the headquarters of the paramilitary Frontier Corps in Peshawar and of Pakistan Army’s bunkers on the Eastern border with India were found in the camera,” the source added.

The police had recovered a digital camera, a Glock pistol and a phone tracker along with a charger from Davis after his arrest. The Punjab government considers Davis a security risk after the recovery of the photos of sensitive installations, said the source.

The Obama administration has been pressuring Pakistan to release Davis who, according to it, “is a member of the administrative and technical staff of the mission” and therefore enjoys diplomatic immunity under the Vienna Convention.

“But Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has told American diplomats that the matter is sub judice and only the Lahore High Court (LHC) would decide whether or not Davis was entitled to diplomatic immunity,” an official source told The Express Tribune.

Sharif made the statement at a recent meeting with the US diplomats who sought Davis’ immediate release.

Citing a letter written by Interior Minister Rehman Malik to the Punjab government, the diplomats said that Davis had diplomatic immunity.

Sharif, however, denied his government had received any letter from the interior minister, according to the sources. Sharif advised the diplomats to wait for the LHC ruling on the diplomatic status of Davis.

A security official told The Express Tribune that Davis’ name did not figure on a list of US diplomats presented by the American embassy to the ministry of foreign affairs on Jan 25. But interestingly, his name figured prominently on another list submitted by the embassy to the ministry on Jan 28.

Diplomatic source told The Express Tribune that the foreign ministry’s viewpoint would be presented before the LHC whenever asked by the court.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 9th, 2011.

Reader Comments (125)

  • F Robinson
    Feb 9, 2011 - 9:45AM

    I hope this news is not true.Raymond Davis is not a spy he is a diplomat with diplomatic immunity and should be released. US is a friend and a generous donor to Pakistan.Pakistan should put an end to this sad episode.Recommend

  • Faisal Awan
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:06AM

    There is no immunity for terrorist in this world. the unexplainable shift of terrorism from Islamabad/Rawalpindi to Lahore can only happen when there are foreign elements like Davis planning for them.

    May Allah save us from Davis and his fellow terroristsRecommend

  • Adeel Ahmed
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:16AM

    He is a spy… an CIA undercover agent… and that is a fact.

    What remains to be seen, and I am quite intrigued by this, is what do our courts do about it? What action will the government take? Will it take any action or let the courts do their job (very unlikely)… if he is released… could it be the start of tunisia/egypt style protests?

    Espionage is condemnable and punishable by law… Such people have no diplomatic immunity.Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2011 - 10:33AM

    Hmm, looks like a made-up charge to pressure the US. Pakistan seems to want a confrontation.Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2011 - 10:36AM

    Diplomatic immunity is an administrative affair, not a judicial one. The FO appears to be violating international law by foisting this declaration onto a court. Under the 1961 Vienna Convention, diplomatic immunity attaches to the person of the diplomat and is NOT something decided on a case-by-case basis.Recommend

  • Kibo
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:38AM

    Raymond,
    Our prayers are with you.
    KiboRecommend

  • feroze
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:38AM

    This whole affair is becoming a sorry joke. If he is a diplomat he cant be charged with any crime, end of story. As for Photo’s suddenly being found, how come this wasnt revealed on day one? It dosent take long to check the contents of a digital camera. More surprising then that is why would he need to take photos when the US probably has its most sophisticated satellites trained on Pakistan that could take a picture of a cigarette packet in my drive way. The stories keep changing and we are looking like a bunch of monkeys to the outside world. Recommend

  • Nasir
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:41AM

    @F Robinson:
    It is court who has to decide if Davis has immunity, not the US or Govt of Pak.Recommend

  • ali
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:42AM

    Ramond Davis is spy of America.The Punjab govt. should not release him.The Fedral govt.has not to take any pressure from America if they are true Pakistani.My Opinion is that to give capital punishment to this man.So that Americans have to seek lesson not to hurt Pakistan………Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2011 - 10:47AM

    He is from Colorado, Denver. He is Black Water Agent. He should be held accountable for killing Pakistani citizen under the laws of Pakistan. He should be sentenced under the article 302.

    thanks
    Allah give justice to the effected families.Recommend

  • Zarak
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:52AM

    The Vienna Convention on Consulate relations 1963, article 41 clearly states that in case of grave crimes like murder there is no immunity whatsoever for staffers. Please google it and read.

    Recommend

  • Shalom
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:01AM

    @Solomon2:
    let the court decide
    if this man is spy and a killer
    he should be punished.
    can America let diplomats kill its citizens
    I think no
    then why double standersRecommend

  • Imran
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:07AM

    Did Shahbaz Sharif figured this out himself, or his team of clowns working on the case? Recommend

  • ray
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:07AM

    Davis is an *** of highest caliber. By his stupid actions he has jeopardized relations of two countries. I really don’t understand why they hire the dumbest guy to be stationed overseas as dumb and numb spy.
    Administration in both nations has zero credibility. He is guilty as hell but will be released as soon as Salman Bashir can manufacture something on the subject.
    It is unfortunately for Davis that widow killed herself otherwise he would be out by now.Recommend

  • Ajaya Dutt
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:10AM

    If Saudi Arabian diplomat killed somebody who trains his gun on him, Will it be the same reaction in Pakistan?Recommend

  • Imran
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:12AM

    Punjab police is notorious for its inefficiency and corruption. All they can do is to come up with conspiracy theories such as Khawaja Sharif Murder fiasco. This time I believe it will be an even bigger laughing stock. Don’t forget that a proclaimed offender is the lead Prosecutor. Good governance…. my foot!Recommend

  • abdullah
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:14AM

    @F.ROBINSON

    what makes u think that he is not a spy..just because he is an american…y not accept the fact ……obama was suppose to deliver a speech in balahisar fort during his coming visit to pakistan ….i believe most of the teroorists r being supported by blakwater and this has been very much proved in iraq…..Recommend

  • Teepu
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:23AM

    For God sake, what you guys are publishing? Selling controversial stuff is no journalism, there is so much around to write about in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2011 - 11:24AM

    // A security official told The Express Tribune that Davis’ name did not figure on a list of US diplomats presented by the American embassy to the ministry of foreign affairs on Jan 25. But interestingly, his name figured prominently on another list submitted by the embassy to the ministry on Jan 28 //

    Above lines tells the complete storyRecommend

  • Historian and Jurist IBN E KHALDOUN
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:31AM

    Davis is a spy. His activities could result in the decimation of the whole pakistani airforce in 10 minutes. In Egypt, Israel decimated its airforce in 10 minutes at 8 AM when duties changed. America is a TRECHEROUS ally. Its trying to boil us to death like a frog which is afraid to jump out of water. Davis must be hanged as his actions were planned to destroy and result in the death of God knows a million pakistanis. The whole of 911 is a DRAMA done using nano thermite cutter charges on the buildings of LARRY SILVERSTEIN. John Kline is a zionist. I have first hand experience of the khazar race and its special aggressive nature to the weak and meek. The slavers of blacks were the same, like Aaron Lopez who raped and slaughtered blacks and flogged them to death to insubordinate them. The planet is dealing with a most aggressive race of humanity. In motherland Russia and the fatherland and Ukraine, they killed 10 million russians through starvation. Lets not forget how chummy americans were with saddam and then backstabbed him when he became weak by exceeding his limits, without any gratitude to the iranian people whose oil they got at heavy discount for decades. If we want america as a friend, we must make sure no weak spot is exposed to them. India has stated the reality most clearly : power respects power, knowledge respects knowledge. Pakistan can be made an advanced country by the insertion of socialistic policies by dimming down capitalism and state taxation to support equal education (and exploring its minerals itself), like russia, china, india, and socialist europe – and Iran. Basically, non party election system of iran based on meritocracy. I outline short term and long term solution. If americans want to leave pakistan with their aid, please ready a red carpet for them. Just charge your own price for afghan transit and for pakistan blood split by drones. This one goes to gallows.Recommend

  • bunny
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:31AM

    Mr ROBINSON,
    Please answer my yesterdays question and also justify local american channel report that he was a security agency employer…ist it…US could sent a security gaurd as a diplomat…and tell me..Does he seems to be diplomat form any angle…please also see my yesterday comments and reply….Recommend

  • Imran
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:42AM

    If he is really a Diplomat, then what about pictures retrieved from his camera?
    I hope and wish that our government must do the needful action against him, As he is responsible for the murder of 4 persons.Recommend

  • edgarm
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:05PM

    Where was diplomatic immunity when the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan was handed over to the US for interrogation at Guantanamo bay , post 9/11 ?Recommend

  • haider
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:10PM

    @ F Robinson, Kobi: think about the hundreds and thousands of innocent people that have died in the Drone strikes….think about the children that were killed whenever the drones attack a school or a madressah….. think of the thousands of kashmiris that have been martyred…..don’t you find it ironic that kashmir issue with all the UN resolutions endorcing the settlement by the will of the kashmiris is still unsettled even though 60 years have passed yet issues like georgia are solved with days…….every day palestinians (including women and children) are martyred by israel’s soldiers yet no one calls unjustified…..this is the real terrorism…. and now when an american spy who is captured killing innocent people….destroying lives of their friends and family, you still have the courage to portray him as an innocent man?… shame on you!!!…….CIA is the real terrorist…..and Raymond Davis should be put to task…….
    Pakistan Zindabad!!!Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:11PM

    Americans always plays double game against Pakistan. We remember:

    what they did in 1971war;
    what they did to us when Soviets left Afghanistan, they not only left Afghanistan unstable, held money paid by us for F-16s and didn’t paid it for several years.

    Americans have only two Aims First to deprive us of our Nuclear Weapons Second to separate Oil/mineral Rich Baluchistan from Us.

    We will not let this happen, InshallahRecommend

  • Hassan
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:11PM

    @F Robinson:
    I respect your comment – however I think that you are either too naive or too baised. Even if one is to beleive that he is a diplomat and the victims were robbers, would you allow a diplomat in your country to kill someone who tried to snatch their valuables, and then kill another person while driving on the wrong side of the road in the attempt to escape the scene?Recommend

  • Junaid
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:12PM

    get over with this issue, matter of fact is :

    1) he shot them in self defence.
    2) even if he was spy ISI was aware of it as they allowed it under secret agreement in mushy times.
    so get over it before this issue becomes an embarrasment.Recommend

  • Ali Khan
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:12PM

    @F.Robinson

    Pakistanis will be glade if the US should keep its “DONATION” with it. By stopping the aid Pakistanis will get rid of the continous blackmailing of teh US. Recommend

  • Waqar
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:14PM

    If he was a diplomat than why was he carrying a illegal weapon and not any security… why did he have a forged passport and a visa….and if he was trying to save himself than why is there no evidence of any aggression or attack from the guys who got killed… If he is innocent he should prove it in court…
    As far as immunity is concerned it does not allow diplomats to start killing citizens on streets… it provides immunity against minor crimes…
    BTW I wonder what would US do if someone from Pakistan embassy in Washingotns kills a US citizenRecommend

  • Eeman
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:20PM

    Yeah – Charge him for hurting three people due to kite flying as well. Recommend

  • irtaza
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:26PM

    @Ajaya Dutt: yes they will. But before that the Saudi’s will take action, unless the person was a prince!Recommend

  • omar
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:29PM

    What is this whole spectacle about Davis? Beggars cannot be choosers. If America stops its aid, the army cannot fund itself and what can Allah do then? Allah needs army and army needs Amrica. So all Pakistanis should shut up and let this Davis go back. Why have Pride when every Pakistani depends on Amrica’s bakshis?Recommend

  • Anoop
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:56PM

    This will be fun. India was shouting on the top of its voice to stop aid to Pakistan. What India could not achieve Pakistan will do it- US will sooner or later stop Aid.Recommend

  • Jason Bourne
    Feb 9, 2011 - 12:56PM

    Special Activities Division, of CIA’s National Clandestine Service. Supervised by Sec. Of state, has an element SOG for BLACK OPS, having the ability and license of Direct Action (DA). If compromised on a mission, US will go in plausible Deniability mode and will arrange a third-party to avoid Blow-Back. Any Questions about Davis ? Anyone ?Recommend

  • F Robinson
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:02PM

    US provides massive aid to Pakistan. Pakistan should stop biting Generous US Hand that feeds Pakistan. Raymond Davis MUST be freed under International agreements. Diplomatic immunity is a fundamental principle of international law that provides foreign diplomats with protection from legal action in the country in which they work. Pakistan is violating International law.Recommend

  • parvez
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:12PM

    Charging Davis with espionage is like accusing Bernie Madoff of credit card fraud.Recommend

  • Bilal K
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:36PM

    @F Robinson: How would you define ‘spying’?Recommend

  • sarah
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:43PM

    if the same thing had happened in USA then national state of emergency would have been declared, anti Muslim protests commenced and excessive visa scrutiny begun. and international immunity would have been completely brushed aside on account of terrorism!Recommend

  • Bilal K
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:44PM

    @Eeman: I think you do take the cake for posting the most uninformed comment on topic.Recommend

  • AFRICAN SHERLOCK HOLMES
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:49PM

    HEY ANY NATURAL GUY SHOULD SOLVE THE CASE NOR PAKISTAN OR AMERICA

    ANYONE FROM AFRICA

    A AFRICAN SHERLOCK HOLMES DETECTIVERecommend

  • sarah
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:50PM

    everyone (be they americans, pakistanis etc) must understand that just because a number of people commit crimes the entire nation can not be prejudiced against, but yes criminals need to be punished if they are found guilty. international friendships should continue irrespective and justice should be provided at all costRecommend

  • AFRICAN SHERLOCK HOLMES
    Feb 9, 2011 - 1:50PM

    NOR NATURAL ITS NEUTRAL GUYRecommend

  • sri
    Feb 9, 2011 - 2:07PM

    i am from india but still feel that raymond must not let off easily.

    this article from new york times more or less says it http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/world/asia/09pakistan.html?hp

    here is an idea. how about mass fasting of a massive gathering of people at the some place in islamabad maybe near the american embassy Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Feb 9, 2011 - 2:12PM

    @ F Robinson

    America is only feeding Israeal and not Pakistan. America is using Pakistan road network and Airports and not paying anything to Pakistan.

    Go and check the records of US Aid, its all going back to USA.

    Name a single project done by America in Pakistan.

    Russia Build Steel Mill in Pakistan. China has helped us build JF-17, tanks, Heavy Electrical Complex hundreds of other projects.

    It was America who have put sanctions on Pakistan, the only thing that America provided to Pakistan were F-16 jets, but for these Jets Pakistan paid in Advance and it was America which received all the money for F-16 and after several years provided us contaminated grains.

    Terrorist are using Americans Weapons in Pakistan.

    America is biggest Funder of Terrorism in World. America is only Islamic States in the world. Afghanistan was attacked only because it was headed by Islamic government.

    Why America was silent when Somalia was invaded? Why America was supporting Mubbark in Egypt for 30 years? why it is still supporting Algeria military dictator after Cooped a democratic government run by Islamic political party.

    America never abide by any international law, now Pakistani courts will decide the matter with Justice. Recommend

  • Faisal
    Feb 9, 2011 - 2:13PM

    So what Mr. Robinson is saying is that as long as the America is giving aid to some country it owes the right to violate the law and do what ever they want ?

    There is no question of a diplomatic immunity here, let the court decide who he actually was, as there are proof of multiple identities.

    It’s not like Musharraf’s era when someone would call and his wish would be completed the next day.Recommend

  • Tehmina
    Feb 9, 2011 - 2:38PM

    Mr. F Robinson…you deserve all the applause clap clap …read between the lines people…we must free the “generous hands” of raymond davis “feeding” us bullets :) …i hope he continues to do so once he returns to his homelandRecommend

  • Adeel
    Feb 9, 2011 - 2:48PM

    @Robinson:

    Didn’t UN vote for not invading Iraq? Why US can violate any international law but Pakistan can’t? Aren’t drone attacks inside Pakistani territory and murder of innocent women and children a crime? Where’s the international law when people in Gaza were bombed by Israel? Why don’t the Americans solve the Palestine and Kashmir disputes instead of invading other countries?

    Davis is a spy and he’s not a diplomat. Your own media has spoken. He murdered two Pakistanis and a third was crushed to death with no reason by another American. Davis has to be prosecuted in the court of law just like Aafia was prosecuted and sentenced to 86 years in prison. Blood for blood and no Pakistani blood should be spilled anymore. 35 thousand Pakistanis have suffered alone in this joke of a war and you say America gives us aid. I wish we had genuine responsible leaders. The aid America is giving is peanuts compared to what we have lost in this phony war OF terror. Pakistan needs to shut down your supply routes to bring you to your knees. Recommend

  • Adnan Qureshi
    Feb 9, 2011 - 2:49PM

    @F Robinson:

    Mate which world are you living in???Recommend

  • Junaid Ahmed
    Feb 9, 2011 - 3:11PM

    Does the Vienna Convention gives immunity to such an extent that a diplomat can kill peoples in broad-daylight and under no law he can be prosecuted? Recommend

  • feroze
    Feb 9, 2011 - 3:17PM

    Lets charge him for being negligent and not warning us about the floods that came in August!!! What a farce this whole episode has become!!Recommend

  • Radial
    Feb 9, 2011 - 3:45PM

    If two armed men on a bike tried to rob me in Lahore, and if I happened to have a gun and had the training to use it accurately, I would also have killed the two. The poor widow who took her own life might have done so upon discovering her husband’s true profession — i.e., an armed bandit. Davis’ US citizenship has nothing to do with this issue. What if he had been a US citizen of Pakistani descent who happened to be visiting family in Lahore? What if he was a white US citizen not connected to the consulate in any way? Would the hysterical mullahs’ and TV anchors’ reaction be different? Most certainly. Pakistani cities are dangerous places and armed robbery is a common occurance. Any human being in any country has the right to self-defense when facing armed robbers, regardless of his citizenship or who his employer is. The only “crime” Davis may have committed was to carry an unregistered weapon. Such an offense would clearly be shielded by diplomatic immunity. May I add that Pakistani cities are full of men carrying unregistered firearms, and that many of these men form the security detail of our political and tribal leaders.Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2011 - 3:50PM

    Davis was a diplomat…OK, he committed crimes beyond diplomatic status limits…OK, We are writing so many remarks just to take out our anger but be patient, it could be backfired since USA is a strong country capable to destroy any country..Davis may perhaps be released by any means, then what will be our image. It is better to halt all speculations now.Recommend

  • Amer
    Feb 9, 2011 - 4:24PM

    As a Patreotic Pakistan I beg the US government to STOP the so called AID to Pakistan. PLEASE!!!Recommend

  • feroze
    Feb 9, 2011 - 4:48PM

    @Junaid Ahmed:
    Sadly yes it does. The Libyan embassy was involved in a shooting incident in London 20 odd years ago and the culprit was a Libyan diplomat who shot a BRITISH POLICE WOMEN and the British authorities could not do anything to him. What the BRITISH did do was break all Diplomatic ties with Libya and shut the embassy. Do you honestly think we can do that with the US?????Recommend

  • jeepers
    Feb 9, 2011 - 5:08PM

    @Solomon2: You’re wrong (unless murder according to you is not a grave crime):
    Consular officers shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a
    grave crime and pursuant to a decision by the competent judicial authority.
    Vienna Convention on Consular Relations 1963, Article 41Recommend

  • Rahim
    Feb 9, 2011 - 5:21PM

    @F Robinson
    What makes you so sure he is a Diplomat? Do you work with him at the consulate? What was he doing there on his own in a private car? Why he has got pictures of sensitive places and tracking equipments? Do all diplomat indulge in these kind of activities?

    I agree with some of the comments, if we solve our own issues we wont need aid, we need to root out corruption and unnecessary luxury our politicians and Govt. officials have. Recommend

  • kumar
    Feb 9, 2011 - 6:10PM

    @F Robinson:
    The U.S has been less than tactful. It should have pressurised the paki govt at the outset rather than after a few days. Sort of like the U.S ambassador to kuwait giving a casual nod to saddam hussein to “OK” his invasion of kuwait, only for the US to come in later into iraq with deadly force.Recommend

  • Khurram Akhtar
    Feb 9, 2011 - 6:20PM

    A very long “short story”. Once upon a time, not long time ago there was a “Donkey”. The “Donkey” resolved to “stand up” for himself and regain his “lost pride” and “self respect”. So he stood in the middle of the road. But to his bad luck, a truck ran over him. End of story. Recommend

  • Babar
    Feb 9, 2011 - 6:20PM

    Pakistan should release Davis on condition that US will close all its consulates in Pakistan and withdraw all the (unwanted) aid that is imposed on us. I guess we can spare a spy and a killer for a larger good of our country i.e. End to this master-slave relation.Recommend

  • gupshup
    Feb 9, 2011 - 6:22PM

    America is crossing the limits, every one needs justice does not matter, whether american of pakistani, this issue should be handled with justice.Recommend

  • Armaan
    Feb 9, 2011 - 6:28PM

    @F Robinson:
    it dosent mean he can kill people. Does the Vienna Convention gives immunity to such an extent that a diplomat can kill peoples in broad-daylight and under no law he can be prosecuted?
    Recommend

  • Kevin
    Feb 9, 2011 - 6:48PM

    Guys the media is not painting a true picture. The truth is still out there. Ray was a trained soldier who definitely shot the two guys in self defense. That’s the reason he got out of the car took the pictures of the men he had just shot as evidence. Refer today’s New York Times. Thankfully, that presence of mind will prove his innocense because the Lahore police would have ruined the evidence in the first 30 seconds. US can hire any Pakistani with a few hundred dollars to takes pictures with a digital camera if it really needed those. The question you guys should be asking is why were these Pakistanis who got shot were armed and carrying stolen mobile phones! Both governments need to be transparent and honest with the facts. Why was Ray armed with an unlicensed Glock 17? Diplomat or no diplomat he should have abided with the law of the country. Reckless driving by the US counslate killed another person. These acts are extremely serious and will not win the US any friends.Recommend

  • AG
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:05PM

    @feroze:

    information about those photos was initially first published after couple of days of this incident. this isn’t a new development. Recommend

  • Yasir
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:06PM

    Well it is good time for Pakistan to revoke the visas of 400 CIA agents busy in terrorist activities in its land. They have butchered more than 6000 people since 2005. To be honest, Americans know how to blow a mosque or busy market place or a Shrine, to get most damage out of it. USA is involved in every single terrorist activity around the world and particularly in Pakistan, and are blaming Muslims for such nasty acts, their hands are colored with the blood of nearly 2 million Muslims got killed in last ten years. In my honest and sincere opinion, Pakistan government, if they have any integrity and self respect left should kick out all Americans including their so called Diplomats (CIA agents) for some time until there is peace back in our beloved country and then let them in after taking all precautionary steps. Recommend

  • YOUNAS SHINWARI
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:14PM

    @F Robinson:
    what about aafia siddiqui. davis should be hanged till death.Recommend

  • Decent
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:15PM

    Those people who are siding with davis and supporting him, without knowing anything about vienna convention should shut up . First go and read the documents signed at vienna convention and then start quoting due to “vienna convention he should be released blah blah blah ” . I am impressed at all those people who are ragging that he is a diplomat . Please tell me what is a diplomat doing taking photographs , having a personal pistol , a GPS system and besides how can a diplomat show such a marksmanship , not missing a single bullet that he fired .

    Unfortunately there is no human rights but only american rights . Recommend

  • Shuaib
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:25PM

    @F. Robinson…..go home buddy and stop worrying about Raymond. He’s a nice fellow…we’ll deal with himRecommend

  • kamran
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:38PM

    well! this is all because of a deteriorating relation begins a year ago between pakistani and US intelligence agencies, first was the case of ahmed shuja pasha the ISI head in US court, secondly the expel US CIA official from islamabad, then this episode, its nothing but a pressure tactic used by intelligence agencies, ISI is not naive not to know about davis beforeRecommend

  • Meerza
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:47PM

    @F Robinson

    Keep your Generous Donations to yourself if we are to die on our roads just like that. Osama Bin Laden is also America’s most precious donation to this region.

    Oh BTW should Pakistani diplomats in Washington set out on a killing spree too? I’m sure they also must be enjoying diplomatic immunity!Recommend

  • Raj
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:56PM

    Rubbish, in this day and age US has detailed information of every inch of the planet. Google Earth shows locations of the strategic Balahisar Fort, the headquarters of the paramilitary Frontier Corps in Peshawar. Please grow up. Just to have an idea, if Hubble telescope is installed in Montreal, it can easily see a small object like a rice grain anywhere in Japan.Recommend

  • Amna
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:56PM

    I reallly hope the Pakistani government does not give in to American requests( although we all know that is not a strong possibility), and the US cuts off Pakistani aid. For once, the Pakistani government is going to be forced to act responsibly, and the American blackmailing will stop as well. And hopefully Pakistan will move toward some long awaited change and revolution.Recommend

  • Muhammad Saleem
    Feb 9, 2011 - 7:56PM

    @F Robinson:
    Will that “immunity” would have applied to Pakistani Ambassador if he had done something comparable? He is a terrorist. He killed 2 people with ammo that was outlawed, interestingly by UN Vienna convention on arms, and he has been spying. He is a terrorist and should be persuaded to the end, in the words of Mr Bush. Besides the US has to decide, if it is with us or against us?Recommend

  • A.Salma
    Feb 9, 2011 - 9:33PM

    Pakistan should act with honor.

    Lets deny new and give back all the all the aid $$ that the USA/IMF and west gives us or have given us in past! Say NO to the advance weapons given/purchased by the great our Great Army (just like our great people), we dont need them be have nuclear bombs. Let not fight the so called “terrorist” as these were the same people who can help us get our “strategic depth” and Gazwa-e-Hind! Fighting terrorist is not our war!

    We r pakistanis, the soldiers of peace loving islam! We super pakistanis can accomplish any thing in the world!

    Only china is our “real” friend (higher than himalayas and deeper than ocean), as soon as we break our embilical chord from the US and West, I am sure china will pay $$ to pakistan to write off our entire debt! Also china can sell us the state of the art advanced arms (JF-17 is an example, another example is the state-of-the-art Locomotive and coaches sold to PR during the great generail Musharaff) for much less cost than the West/USA.

    Lets give Davis the secret agent maximum sentence allowed under the “fair & just” Law of our great nation! Pakistan Paindabad! Recommend

  • AM
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:04PM

    @feroze:
    You know this is all hog-wash. One go to Google Earth and see a picture of this fort along with all th roads leading to it and any other building in Pakistan. This is just plain rubbish. So, with what Google Earth has available suggests Pakistan will bring espionage charges against folks from Google? I doubt that!

    Get over it Pakistani’s and do what needs to be done. Or face starvation because US will stop your aid and as other had said earlier, your credit rating will go to junk status and no one will lend you money. China doesn’t give aid; just loans. And Pakistan will be a risk for that! Get over it because you have no leverage over US. This is just PML-N’s attempt to make PPP and US look bad and I can’t stand PPP either.

    Sad but I am a Pakistani living in US. You guys need to make up get your head out of the rat-hole. There is a real life out and about; flourishing and you guys can begin to enjoy. However you need to make the right decisions to either join the rest of the developing and prospering world or continue your journey to cave’ism! Your choice! Recommend

  • SS
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:30PM

    This whole business is very alarming.
    There are some basic observations that are being overlooked here:

    Firstly as any career Diplomat from a civilized country would know, it is to never carry a weapon with him or her, it is just not done.
    However, if security is an issue in a certain country and the officer is required to travel in the course of duties; then they are escorted by the local security services, so they can perform their job and be safe.
    Such Diplomats are issued with proper travel documents and have the correct visas placed in their passports before they leave their own country for the place of their assignment. And if necessary obtain local travel clearances to go into certain dangerous or sensitive areas.

    It is therefore a very simple assumption that Davis was neither Pukkha Diplomat nor of honest intent by being in a car in Pakistan a good distance from the US Embassy and its Ft Knox security network of US Marines. In other words, it is clear he was not undertaking a consular role (look up what this means if you do not know). We understand that he is an ex special services soldier – if he was so special what was he doing driving through a crowded market place “playing the diplomat”?

    There can be excuse for murdering another human being, no matter what side of the fence you sit, the commandment “Though shalt not kill” is very clear in both the holy bible and the holy koran. It is a case of murder, premeditated – 4 bullets in two corpses.

    How many more honest genuine career diplomats driving, perhaps on their day off with family, traveling to the home of a local friend to share their hospitality find themselves harrassed by locals who live with the memory of this episode and maybe even shot dead, in retaliation?

    It is time for those imbeciles who use devices they do not understand, nor think through to give up get out and go home. Especially before devising new ways that are always going to be half baked to resolve an issue they neither understand, nor really care about. I hope the herewith mentioned person in the US Embassy in Pakistan reads this and understands what it is is to be a total failure in life. maybe we will very soon read an article entitled “Senior US Embassy Advisor takes own life with Glock” ?

    Will Davis’s superior, obviously a good well trained military man, stand up and accept his responsibility and take the blame for his subordinates actions? He or she is obviously a person with another cloak, not the shoddy diplomatic one Davis is trying hide behind.Recommend

  • Dan
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:33PM

    Read the Wikipedia entry on diplomatic immunity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity) for instances when even homicide has been conferred diplomatic immunity. A few comments suggest that murder is a “grave crime” and, therefore, not subject to diplomatic immunity. I’d just like to point out that at this juncture, Raymond Davis isn’t guilty of murder until adjudicated so in a court, unless Pakistan operates differently. If the killings are in self-defense, then it would be justifiable homicide. In any event, as pointed out in the Wikipedia entry, even the U.S. respected diplomatic immunity when the case involved an accident by a drunk diplomat that resulted in the killing of an innocent 16-year old girl. In a similar incident, Canada also respected diplomatic immunity.Recommend

  • Noorq
    Feb 9, 2011 - 10:50PM

    @F Robinson:
    ray has killed two guys in broad daylight. he is a diplomat or not, leave it for the courts to decide. If every diplomat is allowed to get away with such acts then imagine the same may happen anywhere else as well.
    And what about the 3rd guy who was killed by the rescue car and run away from the scene with gun pointing out at those who tried to stop him? Be reasonable.Recommend

  • Noorq
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:04PM

    Vienna Convention on Consular Relations 1963

    Article 41
    Personal inviolability of consular officers
    1.Consular officers shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a grave crime and pursuant to a decision by the competent judicial authority.

    2.Except in the case specified in paragraph 1 of this article, consular officers shall not be
    committed to prison or be liable to any other form of restriction on their personal freedom save in execution of a judicial decision of final effect.

    If criminal proceedings are instituted against a consular officer, he must appear before the competent authorities. Nevertheless, the proceedings shall be conducted with the respect due to him by reason of his official position and, except in the case specified in paragraph 1 of this article, in a manner which will hamper the exercise of consular functions as little as possible. When, in the circumstances mentioned in paragraph 1 of this article, it has become necessary to detain a consular officer, the proceedings against him shall be instituted with the minimum of delay.
    Recommend

  • abdullah
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:07PM

    @F.robinson
    stop worrying about raymond so much …we have got independent courts they will solve the case….and u should respect the law in pakistan as we did in case of affia….she did not kill any1…so stop posting comments without facts,,,,,,,Recommend

  • Abdul Aziz
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:20PM

    @F Robinson:

    I do not think he enjoys immunity. There were few clauses in the International immunity section which does not allow certain person diplomatic immunity under the law of the land.
    I am surprised why American’s are so impatience and does not let the LHC take the decision whether Davis enjoys the immunity or not.Whether it was self defense or show of power. Are you afraid that with more time in custody more damaging secrets will come out of him?
    On one hand you teach the world to abide the law and on the other you pressurize the government. Is Vienna Convention licence to kill? Why his camera contained photograph of sensitive military installations? What would you have done to a person in US if he had such photographs? Why he was carrying ammunition with him? If was so afraid of his life he could have requested the government for police protection. Wasn’t it a secret mission? Why the US consulate is not handing over other four persons who came for Davis rescue and crushed one innocent young boy? Why US consulate issued two different list to Punjab government in order to save Davis, one on 25th and other on 28th?
    Sir there are questions only the court will decide, so show patience, don’t enforce democracy on us you also obey it.
    I wish your government act on the threat to stop aid and let the gene out of the bottle? Recommend

  • parvez
    Feb 9, 2011 - 11:48PM

    This whole incident has been badly handled from the start. If Pakistan now takes the position of “In for a penny, in for a pound” then its any one’s guess as to what may follow.
    A middle of the road solution is needed and that would be to send Davis home to be tried for his crime.Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2011 - 11:53PM

    @Junaid Ahmed: Does the Vienna
    Convention gives immunity to such an
    extent that a diplomat can kill
    peoples in broad-daylight and under no
    law he can be prosecuted?

    Diplomatic Immunity protects the person from prosecution and any form of incarceration. He could still be tried for crimes abroad in his home country. Recommend

  • Decent Vampire
    Feb 10, 2011 - 1:05AM

    @ AM:
    Buddy, don’t call yourself a Pakistani anymore as you have abandoned it and has sought refuge in US. Only losers & cowards abandon their homelands. I wouldn’t mind reading whatever you wrote if you were in Pak. You think you can suggest solutions for Pak’s problems sitting 10,000 miles away? Have some courage?

    What you do there in US? Driving a cab or doing dirty odd job? (which 99% of Pakis do in western world). A well settled person in Pak would NEVER EVER abandon it. Look at the list: poor students (illegal stays), confused lower-middle class (for useless passports), criminals (to evade law), refugees (false asylum claims), sponsored family members (to trick tough immigration rules) and unemployed (no future). All the do is deceive themselves and live in illusions. These people abandon the Pak. You (or your parents) might belong to this list. Got used to robotic, senseless, commercial, sinful, fake, and full of anxiety and status less life in US and now complaining about our dearest motherland.
    p.s: no hard feelings. Just tried to portray the true picture of Pakistanis staying overseas.Recommend

  • Aamir+Ali
    Feb 10, 2011 - 1:24AM

    Pakistani courts are nowhere independent. They are corrupt, dysfunctional and staffed by single judges who are appointed by govt, with their salaries and perks also defined by govt.

    Raymond Davis cannot get a fair trial in Pakistan.Recommend

  • adnan khan 1
    Feb 10, 2011 - 1:28AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNkKb9Sxj4&feature=player_embedded

    In this video he said it himself that he is a “consultant” for US consulate general, not a diplomat, a consultant. and i don’t think that consultants get diplomatic immunity @F Robinson: Recommend

  • Mir Agha
    Feb 10, 2011 - 2:12AM

    As a non-diplomat, so-called raymond davis MUST be tried in a court of law for his PREMEDITATED MURDER of INNOCENT PAKISTANIS in broad daylight. As a COMBATANT he enjoys NO IMMUNITY. Pakistan must follow the Vienna Convention and NOT GRANT IMMUNITY TO A NON-DIPLOMAT. It is clear from the facts that mr. davis is a combatant who is to be brought to justice for the heinous crimes.Recommend

  • Blithe
    Feb 10, 2011 - 3:38AM

    Hilary, it was very unbecoming of you to bypass the Foreign Minister and meet directlly with our Army Chief. Let the courts decide. There are institutions working in Pakistan. It is no longer a one-man show. Learn to live with it!

    the great thing is that Pakistan is presently a democracy .
    this means no push-over like General Musharraf.

    This has happened int he PML-N’s backyard. Politicians have to show spine in this matter.
    And PPP and PML-N will be held acccoutnable if they cave in to American pressure or try to influence the courts in any way. Recommend

  • Shah
    Feb 10, 2011 - 8:04AM

    @Adeel Ahmed:

    The nation need to be a strong (man) enough to take action like Tunisia or Egypt. You guys are wimpy or breed of chicken who only can make a big noise or nag but no action. Yes, absolutely you can , burn country assists and for sure no action like Tunisia or Egypt. So, stop comparing yourself with those nations. You guys should continue to support poverty, bribery, illiteracy, pornography and jungle law. Wake-up and smell a coffee…Recommend

  • Aamir
    Feb 10, 2011 - 8:22AM

    @Aamir Ali:
    To hell with hitRecommend

  • Ayub
    Feb 10, 2011 - 10:23AM

    The Vienna Convention and its immunity, I think this law should be reconsider and should be reformed, Davis murdered two people and third one was crushed to death with no reason by another American, he is a killer, he should be punished for that, whether he is a diplomate or American agent. Recommend

  • Feb 10, 2011 - 10:30AM

    If we view the both sides of the case, then we can easily conclude that Pakistanis are murdered on their own land.the accused must be hanged. there is no way out for him. our government must not use procrastination for this case.there were three people killed brutally and deliberativeness.i have a request for the people of Pakistan that please they stop processions and strikes for the sake of Pakistan. our country can not bear more harshness right now.ramind davise case gives us a lesson that Pakistan is an independent state.it has its own laws, rules and regulations, if we shall not follow the rule of law, soon or later a revolution will come like came in Tunis and Egypt. Recommend

  • Afnan Bashir
    Feb 10, 2011 - 11:14AM

    I still see people requesting to release Him.I donot know what is going into their mind even solid proofs that he did murder.In america Amel Kansi was sentenced to death why ?.Frankly i am against of this immunity. Why should american have chance to kill innocent people.If Davis is right then prove other and whole people on cite are wrong.

    We all Know 2+2 = 4 so no mater President Obama says 2+2 = 5 we all know what is the correct answer .Similarly We know he is a terrorist and should be punished and if anybody says he is not then same is the case of 2+2Recommend

  • feroze
    Feb 10, 2011 - 11:21AM

    @Mir Agha:
    Do you know what the word pre meditated means? Let me enlighten you, it means that RAD had decided before shooting these two that he was going to do it! If that is to be believed why would he have shot them THRU his cars windshield? Why would he get out of the car to take pictures? Whether he enjoys diplomatic immunity or not is still to be decided by our courts, he acted in self defense or at best can be charged with man slaughter, not murder!!Recommend

  • Counselor
    Feb 10, 2011 - 12:14PM

    @Anoop:
    Thats probably the best thing could happen out of itRecommend

  • Subbu Jois
    Feb 10, 2011 - 12:59PM

    Now there are many versions to this. Which is tru?

    He shot robbers trying to steal from him
    He is a diplomat, and hence needs special treatment
    He is a CIA spy, Rambo, Blackwater agent, etc
    The Dead robbers are ISI agent, as per this newspaper
    Murdered Robber’s Wife commits suicide
    ISI denies it the next day – as in this news paper
    Now you find some photos of Pak military installations on his camera, after almost 2 weeks

    Now all of you want his blood. Can we have some clarity on the situation? While the US sending Rambos around is unacceptable, it looks more like a frameup on Davis to hit back up at your largest Donor, US, for anyone looking at it neutrally. Such inconsistencies only strengthens the opinion of Pak spiraling into chaos all the time!
    Get a grip of the situation and dont react for every media news break without verifying facts. Recommend

  • Gasherbrummistani
    Feb 10, 2011 - 2:13PM

    @ Pakistani: “Name a single project done by America in Pakistan”

    Surely, McDonald’s has to count for something. Gotta love their fries!Recommend

  • Muhammad Ovais
    Feb 10, 2011 - 5:19PM

    @F Robinson
    Mrs. Clinton wanted to revoke the diplomatic immunity for scofflaw diplomats who were stationed at the United Nations in New York and had racked up $21.3 million in parking violations. As the Secretary of State, however, she is invoking diplomatic immunity for Mr. Raymond Davis, who is accused of murdering two young men in Lahore.
    So in one way or other you are telling us that parking fines are a more serious issue than a few humans?Recommend

  • Muhammad Ovais
    Feb 10, 2011 - 5:48PM

    @F Robinson:
    Mrs. Clinton wanted to revoke the diplomatic immunity for scofflaw diplomats who were stationed at the United Nations in New York and had racked up $21.3 million in parking violations. As the Secretary of State, however, she is invoking diplomatic immunity for Mr. Raymond Davis, who is accused of murdering two young men in Lahore.
    So in one way or other you are telling us that parking fines are a more serious issue than a few humans?Recommend

  • karachiite
    Feb 10, 2011 - 6:55PM

    @ Blithe : thanks for the link, look at the weapons cache was this man trying to wage a war and win single handedly? Diplomat tag is a mere facade charge him for espionage and may he rot in jail for ever!Recommend

  • ahsan
    Feb 10, 2011 - 7:06PM

    @F Robinson…
    lets imagine what would have happened if a pakistani would have done same in america…funny isnt it !! Recommend

  • Decent Vampire
    Feb 10, 2011 - 7:23PM

    There are no human rights on the face of this planet. There are only AMERICAN RIGHTS!Recommend

  • karachiite
    Feb 10, 2011 - 7:27PM

    I request the nay sayers to see his footage on youtube the man had taken sensitive photographs and he accepted he is ‘just a consultants’ Recommend

  • NB
    Feb 10, 2011 - 10:06PM

    @F Robinson:
    I hope for once US stands up and says enough is enough. The video circulating showing the initial interrogation of Raymond Davis by Punjab polis is really a disgrace for any civilized nation. I do assume that Punjab Polis is as alien to the word civilised as humans to Martian atmosphere.
    US should also take these Closet Talibans of Punjab to task.
    Everybody with inside knows that it was an attempted Robbery, and Raymond Davis shot the 2 in self-defense.
    The 3rd kid who died as a result of collision with Consulate Van, was very unfortunate and should be compensated.Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Feb 10, 2011 - 10:45PM

    There are scores of others like Raymond Davis protected by proteges of Neocons going about
    their business creating terrorists and terror to impose their Will and create anarchy to maintain
    their geo-politcal and economic hold on Pakistan. Unless feudalism and mullahism are not totally
    abolished we will live and behave like animals with no power to think and reason, to know our
    strength and use it correctly to overcome our weakness so that we are not exploited firstly by our own corrupt and incompetent leaders and then by their alien mentors. If we have to give in to outside pressure on this issue; We might as well lower our flag and raise the other flag and
    learn to sing their national anthem and let them decide our fate? Unless we have strength of character to stand up and change our thinking and way of life. The day our bigoted political and
    religious leaders stop placing quotations from the Koran on their office walls which they never follow and interpret according to their whims. Instead they should follow this quote from late Dag
    Hammarskjold: Your position never gives you the right to command.It only imposes upon you the
    duty of so living your life that others can receive yiur orders without being humiliated. Such was
    the strength and character of our holy Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) and Hammarskjold knew and understood him better than our bigoted leaders.Recommend

  • arastu
    Feb 10, 2011 - 11:31PM

    Counterpunch has a great article on Davis ‘s arrest and also tries to do some background on him. It seems US has more to hide on this one than the Pakistanis.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff02082011.htmlRecommend

  • Abdul Rehman
    Feb 11, 2011 - 8:04AM

    @F Robinson:
    that is just rubbish. The man had not right to kill anyone and looks seedy.Recommend

  • edgarm
    Feb 11, 2011 - 8:31AM

    @ Ahsan.This what happened to the Deputy Ambassador of Georgia ….

    In January 1997, Gueorgui Makharadze, the deputy ambassador of the Republic of Georgia in Washington caused an accident that injured four people and killed a sixteen-year-old girl. He was found to have a blood alcohol content of 0.15, but released from custody because he was a diplomat. The U.S. government asked the Georgian government to waive his immunity, which they did and Makharadze was tried and convicted of manslaughter by the U.S. and sentenced to seven to twenty-one years in prison. The first three years of his sentence were served in a North Carolina prison, after which he was repatriated to his home nation of Georgia to serve the remainder of his sentence.Recommend

  • Yusuf Ali
    Feb 11, 2011 - 9:15AM

    Nothing will happen to him. He will walk out of Pakistan like a King!

    Beggars cannot be choosers. Stop begging and you may get earn self respect.
    Only then you will be able to stand on principles. Recommend

  • sudhir
    Feb 11, 2011 - 9:35AM

    US don’t Argue With Fools , stop all aid,put economic sanctions,starve them and repeat the Iraq here to teach them lessonRecommend

  • baba
    Feb 11, 2011 - 1:50PM

    @F Robinson:
    lol!!! thats y he was carrying an unlisenced weapon and cant disclose wat was his exact business he was going about that day??? if he was a diplomat he shu dhav called the police and his consulate immediately after the incident to seek help and not run awayRecommend

  • Tehmina
    Feb 11, 2011 - 3:35PM

    Thank you for the lovely ideas mr sudhir…US govt was actually waiting for your comments on the story..now it will be easier for them to decide whether to go for it or not?Recommend

  • peacelover
    Feb 11, 2011 - 4:46PM

    @F Robinson:
    raymond davis is a first-degree murderer and an american terrorist. he must face the law of the land. usa does not donate an iota to pakistan. on the contrary, it gets huge interest on loans. the ailing us economy is thus aided by pak money. stop hoodwinking the world. as a highly civilized people we treat visitors with dignity unlike those illiterate, arrogant and half-witted immigration and customs agents in america who put pakistanis through inhuman treatment via the so-called “secondary inspection.” take a walk rob.Recommend

  • Badar
    Feb 11, 2011 - 6:51PM

    @F Robinson:
    To Robin:

    With due respect, its not a drama. US is not a friend of anyone, like all great powers it uses other nations to its advantages.

    Majority Pakistanis believe that US is not a friend. The aid we receive mostly goes to corrupt politicians pockets who are supported and nurtured by the US.

    If he is a diplomat and not a murderer, he should be released but it is a big IF.

    I have been following US newspapers such as NYTIMES and Washington post and the story the potray is totally biased and based on obsolete assumptions.

    To sum it up: US does not own the planet nor US citizens have an automatic right to take lifes of other innocent people.Recommend

  • Peace On Earth
    Feb 11, 2011 - 7:37PM

    This is becoming ridiculous! Just look at the posts on this board of people stating that Raymond Davis is a spy and or Black Water agent.

    Do you really think the ISI would not be aware of such an individual in the country? Do you think its really plausible that the Pakistani government does not know of any “secret” spying or operations being carried out?

    Raymond Davis appears to be a technical expert who was working for the US Consulate and shot and killed two men who he says were armed and appeared to attack him.

    Now, given the level of corruption within the Pakistani police department and the national obsession with “going after the gora guy” and calling for his head, I must come to two conclusions:

    A.) Either other Pakistanis have nothing better to do and are just bloodthirsty to see a gora have his head hacked off. If so, please make your way to Saudi Arabia where executions are carried out in public so you can watch the spectacle with your family and have a picnic.

    B.) Your hatred of America (understandable to a certain degree) has grown so much and you realize that given the incompetent government we have, you are venting your frustrations out on the US.

    Also, what is this national craze over Dr. Afia? She is a terrorist who supported the same organization which is wrecking havoc on Karachi, Lahore, etc etc.

    Where is the anger at the extremists who kill innocent people or hide behind women and children and shoot at coalition forces?

    Where is the anger when you see children on the streets with fleas in there hair, dirty, and starving while Pakistanis live the high-life in England and America?Recommend

  • Rue De Paris, Togo businessman
    Feb 11, 2011 - 9:11PM

    what is missile shieldRecommend

  • Canadian
    Feb 12, 2011 - 3:23AM

    Ha ha…this whole thing will be milked like the situation it is. Pakistan will hold the gun at the US’s head (again) and ask for more concessions and aid. The US – with the situation it is in – a war in Afghanistan it wants to respectfully exit at the earliest, will ‘pay a price’ for having an ‘ally’ like Pakistan. Then there will be a million ways to sweep this whole thing under the carpet and move on until another opportunity presents itself

    All the emotion this whole issue has stirred among the Pakistani people has only provided the ammunition for the ‘gun at head’! Poor souls have no idea of how their emotions and sentiments are being ‘used’ to play the old game the ‘powers that be’ are up to…

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!!Recommend

  • Umair Waheed Sheikh, Khayban e Hafiz,IBA Karachi
    Feb 12, 2011 - 11:35AM

    Firstly why is this murder? Can anyone care to explain? I ask the LHC judges: If you are travelling in a car and a group of motor cycylists are following you for a few mins and then you observe they have guns in their holsters. What would you do especially when the situation in Pakistan being so precarious where bikers hold people on gun point and kill them. Won’t you want to preempt their move? Firstly, why were they brandishing guns? And why would anyone in a car shoot them unless they felt threatened? Raymond did a good deed. He was brave enough to eliminate 2 ‘thieves’. I think that is what the debate is. The punjab government doesnt want to eliminate petty crime!Recommend

  • Ali
    Feb 13, 2011 - 9:49AM

    Vienna Convention 1961 does not allow immunity to the bloody diplomats committing bloody crimes

    he should be hanged till death

    else US has to release Dr. Afia, (who supposedly thought of attempting to shoot US troops (who are proved invaders, rapists and terrorist) in Afghanistan, which is not a US land, and she was trialled in Biased US courts.

    Shame on you folks defending US Raymond Davis. Shame on US, the national, the govt. and the President.

    WHAT LEVEL OF EQUALITY AND JUSTICE YOU MAINTAIN

    SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!Recommend

  • Muhammad Mansoor Khan
    Feb 14, 2011 - 5:20AM

    Assalamu-Alaikum,
    Considering the terrorist acts of Mr. Raymond Davis, he should be put behind bars for endless time and be treated as a US Cultured Terrorist on Pakistani soil. Not only that but it should made sure that he dont even get to see SUN light for the rest of his life for spreading terrorrism in our home land. U know we condemn terrorism just as our ally US does. I strongly believe US would have done the same. Oh sorry i forget i’m sorry!!! US has already done this in the form of GUANTANAMO BAY. Time for TIT for TAT… Enjoy the rest of ur misserable life for the entire INFINITY…Mr. R. Davis…good bye..!!!!Recommend

  • maitre
    Feb 15, 2011 - 6:35PM

    “During the course of investigation, police retrieved photographs of some sensitive areas and defence installations from Davis’ camera,” a source told The Express Tribune requesting anonymity. “Photos of the strategic Balahisar Fort, the headquarters of the paramilitary Frontier Corps in Peshawar and of Pakistan Army’s bunkers on the Eastern border with India were found in the camera,” the source added.

    The police had recovered a digital camera, a Glock pistol and a phone tracker along with a charger from Davis after his arrest. The Punjab government considers Davis a security risk after the recovery of the photos of sensitive installations, the sources said.’
    Is this information not sufficient to charge him for espionage and try him in the court? What are our rulers trying to play with this country for a meagre aid package? One cannot expect any good delivered to the nation, let alone trying the American spies working under Black Water shelter. No one in the present government set up is loyal, that’s for sure. They know their days are numbered, they try to get ‘asheerwad’ from their Americans masters, but they shouldn’t forget Husne Mubaarak, who at last found the betrayal of his American Masters, but too late a hero.Recommend

  • Shalom
    Feb 16, 2011 - 10:23PM

    John Kerry assures Pakistan US contractor will face justice
    Telegraph.co.uk – Rob Crilly

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8328607/John-Kerry-assures-Pakistan-US-contractor-will-face-justice.html

    The fact is that once Davis is released, their attitudes will harden.

    Second, it is physically impossible for a fair trial in the US.

    The judge will not understand our culture.

    The 13 or so pakistani eye witnesses’s minds will invert from airport insults, cultural shock, plane fatigue, and the very games that are played in american society. Anyone who has travelled outside knows what happens from this. Their morale would go down.

    Explain all these things to Kerry and Raymond knows local language. They bring their defense team to pakistan.

    Because they never did this in the past, equality demands that they do our way this time.Recommend

  • Shalom
    Feb 16, 2011 - 10:24PM

    John Kerry assures Pakistan US contractor will face justice Telegraph.co.uk – Rob Crilly – ‎13 minutes ago‎ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8328607/John-Kerry-assures-Pakistan-US-contractor-will-face-justice.html

    The fact is that once Davis is released, their attitudes will harden.

    Second, it is physically impossible for a fair trial in the US.

    The judge will not understand our culture.

    The 13 or so pakistani eye witnesses’s minds will invert from airport insults, cultural shock, plane fatigue, and the very games that are played in american society. Anyone who has travelled outside knows what happens from this. Their morale would go down.

    Explain all these things to Kerry and Raymond knows local language. They bring their defense team to pakistan.

    Because they never did this in the past, equality demands that they do our way this time.Recommend

  • Feb 17, 2011 - 10:25PM

    USA needs Pakistan more than ever before. The fast changing scenario of world politics and economy is forcing adjustments which seemed impossible just few weeks ago. Raymond Davis episode is an unfortunate accident because it has exposed what was feared by many that terror attacks in Pakistan were stage managed to turn the public opinion in favor of US war on terror. It never was Pakistan’s war.
    It appears that USA is in need of Jehadi Mujahideen once again. Davis will be freed sooner or later but will Pakistanis, Arabs and Afghans be ready to fight another deceptive war like the one in 80s?
    All the talk of feeding Pakistan with US dollars is insulting and humiliating. A much larger return has been extracted by the donors.Recommend

  • Feb 17, 2011 - 10:40PM

    @sudhir:
    The tone and tenor is Hindustani. They do not know how to be friends.Recommend

  • Saqib
    Feb 19, 2011 - 6:48PM

    A killer is always a killer no matter either he is just a Civilian, Diplomat, Minister, CIA Agent, agent of Black Water, American, Indian or whatever… A Killer is always a killer… Raymond Davis is the murderer of 4 innocents in Pakistan so there is no concer of immunity… as per law, Pakistani Law or International Laws, a person convicted of murder is typically given the death penalty for such an act… so the Killer of 4 persons Raymond Davis who might be the killer of hundreds of innocent people through bomb blasts in Lahore must must be punished or hanged out as seriously as possible.Recommend

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