US Consulate denies knowledge of SUV in Lahore shooting

‘Offered American visas for withdrawing the case’ – so the american government is comparing the lost lives to an american visa?? The funny thing is that they are the one’s always talking about morals, values etc.Recommend

well, if they get good blood money (permitted in mohamedan law) and if Aafia siddique could be released, i guess it wouldnt be a bad exchange. After all, the two men shot were robbers and Davis, emotions put aside, was acting in some sort of self-defence (the assumption is he was not a trigger happy fellow who came to pakistan/lahore for the purpose of shooting people on public roads)Recommend

even the law doesn’t give immunity to the ambassador for killing anyone..

the suv can be traced through the CCTV recordings of on that date,Recommend

wow
how it could be america give uppertunity to pakistani family to came to america then after they put charge on them they are terrorist and hang them there ” let me tell something till now now every body know that osama bin laden alive but i think after those atack nothing survive” but that is a different issue we just talk about drove under car and shoot down peoples even that no body know they really making voilence or they just roming around but stop and don’t try to increase peoples anger specially media no need to make much promot the issue of dead 3 persons where is media when the blost when others die this case promot like the case of mukhtiyara mai before many cases like that why they close and no dust clear on them must be clear dust from those cases my own friends shoot down by police”why” bcz they walk in the shape of group after finishing there party in race course park and police say they making voilence don’t live in dark open your eyes and minds and try to understand what happened wrong and where hapening wrong please be togather.
thank’s (APML) don’t forget strugles forget theme of shadows.Recommend

The New World Order that was promugalted in the year 2000 with the entrance of GWB into the
White House, Although the order was prepared in late 70s but could not find adequate support to bring it into force. The survival of this order and force greatly depends on use of ” Terror” to
place intense fear in the mind of Public and not give the opportunity to think rationally. Taking advantage of illiteracy, poverty and religious bigotry the supporters of this order will spare none
to advance their agenda. The real test of character of our top leadership will be exposed when
they learn that overseas banks can be made aware their deposits are made by illegal means!
The banks will listen to the powerful sources of the NWO and freeze those assets. Here will be the test of our leaders will they bow to save their safehaven assets or stand upright safeguard the independence and integrity of the nation. We have two choices to give up the begging bowl
and the religious bigotry and step onto the path of austerity that would strength our character in
honesty, integrity and emotional intelligence. Otherwise we should tear apart our Natrional flag and the resting place of Dr Allama Mohammad Iqbal and Qaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and raise the Star&Stripes and built the Holocaust memorial.Recommend

having a diplomat passport is one, having a diplomat visa on that diplomat passport is another,

anyways, this might be helpful to u, since its link Vs Link :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5P1kDeP26ERecommend

This is a very confusing case and one hopes that the truth will come out. Pictures I saw of Mr. Davis passport in the Dawn newspaper did not seem to of a visa issued to a diplomat. The visa, pictured here http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/31/arrested-us-national-does-not-have-diplomatic-visa-documents.html, says that he was admitted for three months on “official business.” The visa was valid for a single use with a maximum stay of three months. This sounds like he was an official visitor on some sort of government assignment, but that type of status is usually not covered under the Geneva Convention. The question to be asked is: was he accredited to the Government of Pakistan? If he was assigned to the Consulate, he would be listed in the records of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs by his job title.

It appears to me that he did enter on official business, but it’s questionable that he has full diplomatic immunity. There is some chance he could have lesser or partial immunity. An examination of his passport would show if his period of stay was extended by the GOP and whether his visa classification was changed from Official Business to something else (perhaps covered by diplomatic immunity).

I hope this helps!Recommend

@Mirza Abeer

So you accept that Mr Davis has immunity. The US position is that since he killed the two Pakistanis in self-defense, and he has immunity, he should be released.Recommend

Weather law gives immunity or not, he has committed grave crime, moreover they are denying about the information regarding whereabouts of SUV, hiding the crime, giving refuge to murderers who hit an innocent passer by, does Geneva convention or Vienna conventions discuss some crimes,
who else could have come to help him?
whom he called?
who made the video?
are they difficult question to answered my Ramon Davis, or he was under influenceRecommend

@Copper:
The idea behind the Vienna Convention was that suspects faced the law, and were to be prosecuted, in their country.
Not that they will have a license to kill or do any thing else and go free.
US and UK soldiers were prosecuted in their home country, and given prison sentences for actions in Iraq or Afghanistan.
This is to prevent lynching and “hang him from the pole” type of law that happens in some countries, but is not acceptable in other countries.Recommend

this is so ironic, offered American “VISA” not nationality but “VISA” … allies like these who need enemyRecommend

Guys, I’m working with this visas in Islamabad a lot and problem is that visa showed in this article http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/31/arrested-us-national-does-not-have-diplomatic-visa-documents.html IS a DIPLOMATIC VISA! This is so called first entry visa (standard for all diplomats and officials) given by pakistani embassy usually for period of 3 months. After this diplomat has to apply in MoFA for multiple entry long term visa. Also note the letters “CD” in visa number. This stands for “corps diplomatique” – no need to translate. Last but not least, term “official business” is nothing unusual in diplomatic visas. It’s always either “official business” or “official duty” (depends which embassy is printing this). It does not mean that this is business visa!Recommend

@ american………
Of course, any one can do any thing, with different end results, and appropriate consequences……… is it a some sort of threat?????? and my dear….if your court can summon our isi chief then our court has right to question your killer spy rymond davis and his motives of visit of such a conggested area of qartaba chowk. and my dear a diplomat dont need to posses hollow revolver which is internationally baned, niether he needs a mask and telescope. please let the court work and if you have any problem regarding jurisdiction of court, you can chalange it. if u american ppl get the rymond released by putting pressure, ppl anger may be worst.
thats all

gondal keRecommend

Why did Georgia waive immunity ?
The government of Georgia was within its legal rights under international law and Vienna convention to refuse waiver and insist on enforcing diplomatic immunity.
Why did it, instead, allow prosecution in USA of its diplomat ?
Georgia was in a predicament…it is adjacent to a powerful and unfriendly neighbor (Russia) and a far away ally (USA). It could not displease that far away ally.
Should sound familiar to Pakistanis.
Why did India refuse to waive immunity ?
Economically, UK needed favors from India..not the other way around…it could insist on its rights and afford to displease UK.Recommend

Raymond Davis is a US diplomat and he has diplomatic immunity.Pakistan should obey international law and let him go.Recommend

Najam Sethi should know that Aafia is a Pakistani national – nothing else.
And this is mentioned by Judge Berman in the final order also (who gave sentence to Aafia Siddiqui).
Then why Sethi is misleading the nation.
He is not an ordinary man.
He is a senior journalist.
But loyalties are with Americans.
Shame on Sethi and others who are not sincere with their nation.
Why they are silent on Aafia?
for details
http://www.freeaafia.org
http://www.aafiamovement.comRecommend

ok…..so let me get this straight….it is ok for Pakistanis to kill each other every single day….such as today with 10 killed in a car bombing….but if someone else kills in self defence he is a cold blooded murderer? Pakistan needs to take a look in the mirror and perhaps crack open that book they claim to hold so dear…..the Holy Quran.Recommend

@American:
Dear Americans,
It is evident, when Americans are stuck in some situation, there are all national and international laws to protect them. When it is time to occupy a country like Iraq/ Afghanistan/ Vietnam, they are above the international law and no American solder can be tried in any court.
What a civilized nation are you.
Salute to Americans… Great Nation.Recommend

@gondal ke:
No this is not a threat…this is common sense.
It applies to all our personal lives as well, in family, at work place, and in society.. that every one is free to take actions that are good, or foolish, and that each action has a consequence.
The current situation is a consequence of supporting jihadists against Russians.
During the original action, both America and Pakistan saw immediate benefit but may not have thought of the consequences.
Today’s actions of supporting terrorists will have consequences tomorrow.
As they say in America…”there is no free lunch”Recommend

I think we as Pakistani should avoid giving as facts to baseless commentary over this sensitive case. The man using nickname as Raymond Davis has violated laws of Pakistani constitution and he must be punished in accordance with the law but we should not intermingle facts and analysis because this is a very sensitive and national issue associated with a large number of interests including our dignity and honour. But the killer must be dealt according to the law at any cost……Recommend

Pakistani press-media should demand that PML-N Punjab Chief Minister M. Shahbaz Sharif, PML-N Punjab Law Minister Rana Sana Ullah Khan, Punjab Home Secretary, IG Punjab Police and Lahore Police Chief must resign immediately, because they reportedly allowed all hit & run killers of an innocent Pakistani man – who was illegally killed on 27-1-2011 in Lahore by a car of American “diplomats” – to run away from the US Lahore Consulate General (out of Pakistan) to the USA, Afghanistan, or elsewhere in the world. It is their official law-enforcement duty to arrest all hit & run murderers of Pakistanis, but during the last 8 days they deliberately failed to do so. Therefore, all those PML-N Punjab rulers, police officers and other law-enforcement officials – who are guilty of this criminal negligence, incompetence, or corruption – must resign now.Recommend

Pakistani press-media should demand that PML-N Punjab Chief Minister M. Shahbaz Sharif, PML-N Punjab Law Minister Rana Sana Ullah Khan, Punjab Home Secretary, IG Punjab Police and Lahore Police Chief must resign immediately, because they reportedly allowed all hit & run killers of an innocent Pakistani man – who was illegally killed on 27-1-2011 in Lahore by a car of American “diplomats” – to run away from the US Lahore Consulate General (out of Pakistan) to the USA, Afghanistan, or elsewhere in the world. It is their official law-enforcement duty to arrest all hit & run murderers of Pakistanis, but during the last 9 days they deliberately failed to do so. Therefore, all those PML-N Punjab rulers, police officers and other law-enforcement officials – who are guilty of this criminal negligence, incompetence, or corruption – must resign now.Recommend

@QuranVsHadith: Are you trying to suggest we let him go just because there’s a lot of killing already going on around? What a ridiculous plea!Recommend

@ american
what if one of our diplomats killed the american president? will our diplomats get immunity?Recommend

@bvindh: Lame coomment! Do you know the diffrence between cloak and burqa? Do you reckon the two psychos in Wes Craven’s SCREAM were actually playing muslims??Recommend

@pakistani:
Legally that Pakistani diplomat is covered by immunity and cannot be prosecuted, unless Pakistan government waives immunity.
Practically what will happen could be different….depending on circumstances, relative strengths, needs, and mutual dependencies.
In the worst case, when Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand was murdered in Sarajevo, it resulted in War.
Again, practically speaking…Pakistan handed over Pakistani citizens to Guantanamo, for money ($ per person), without any reference to any Pakistani Court or legal process.Recommend

Democracy is dead in pakistan.

Why not behave like mushy, and demand 100000 dollar for 1 human.Recommend

@Umar: The justice system in Pakistan released the murderers who bombed the Marriott hotel in Islamabad. The robbers who tried to kill Davis were found with cell phones of their other victims. Pakistan has no sense. Please America end all aid to Pakistan. Time for them to grow up.Recommend

let me say one thing to those not in pakistan plz dnt talk abt pakistan. u dnt knw wats gng on here. u wana talk by giving solid reznz thn sure.Recommend

@n
“there are no free lunches in Pakistan for you anymore”
America is not having any free lunches in Pakistan.
It is paying for all its lunches in Pakistan.
It is also paying for Pakistani Government Employee’s lunches.
It is also paying for Pakistani Army’s lunches.
In fact, what exactly is Pakistan paying for ? You have no money, no will, and all you have is a negative threat.
Threat to cut off supplies.
Threat of imploding
Threat of nuclear war.
Threat of creating creating mayhem in neighboring countries.
Threat of sending terrorists to UK, USA, and other countries.
Wake up, and smell the extremism taht is eating you up…Recommend

@pakistani:
You are simply confirming what I said…your negative threat of stopping transport via Pakistan is real, valid, and true. We know it “DAMN well”, as you say.
Similarly the other threats..that Pakistan is throwing around are also not fiction..
When patience runs out, US can just leave Af-Pak and go home. You should know “DAMN well” what happens then…The entire Af-Pak will be subjected to Taliban rule, and Taliban justice.
Surrounded by Nations who will wary, alert, and ready to go to war.
Enjoy !Recommend

u knw you cant get out of the afghan war that easily. remembr wat heppened to the USSR?
your president says he is going to withdraw the troops? lets see how that turns out. and we are NOT a threat to any one!!! ur country is a threat for evryone with ur enormous nuclear weapons stash…. and still you point fingers at us???Recommend

at last america wins and Get Pakistani justice in the pocket with the blady dollars …………. This is just because of our blady politition which is deputed to serve american Govt not to help full ever for pakistanin ………Recommend