A bit about the ‘Mahseer’: the best fresh-water game-fish in the world and a challenge for any fisherman to land. Its very name describes it: ‘Mahseer’: the lion of the waters. Stories are legion of this river, which becomes the River Haro seven miles downstream, being one of the best in Northern India for its Mahseer, which are said to have weighed up to 20 pounds around the early 1900s when fishermen used to come from Rawalpindi, many young officers by tonga, to fish in its waters. It remains a popular game-fish in South Asia, and India has built up a huge tourist industry around it.
What utter heaven was Wah, even in my youth; now like any urban area in Pakistan brimming with ugly plazas; garbage dumps; plastic bags flying about; motor service stations spewing oils and grease into the Dhamra as if the factories were not enough; the loquat and plum orchards giving way to polluting marble-cutting factories and other such.
And the population! By God the population! It simply boggles the senses to see just how many people there are! Population explosion did I hear anyone say? It’s a veritable nuclear bum that has already gone off if you ask me. Just get off the motorway at Brahma-Bahtar and drive along the GT Road towards Hasan Abdal. Apart from the nose-to-tail traffic, the pressure of population is so great that even the little hills around Wah which were once home to the partridge and the seesi partridge and the jackal and the fox are being levelled to make way for housing colonies.
To merely say that Pakistan needs to control its population growth is to understate the matter: it must do so on the utmost emergency basis. Consider: If Pakistan’s population growth rate remains as high as it is: 1.9 per cent, our population will be close to 350 million by 2050. Just look around you: can this country and its resources support so many people? We better do something about it, and fast.
And, one more time, an appeal to the Chairman POFs Board: Please adopt the Dhamra and the Wah hills as your (very rich) organisation’s contribution to improving the environment of a most beautiful part of our country. Have the river cleaned up by stopping effluents flowing into it, and re-stock it with the great Mahseer; and please stop further building on the Wah hills, remembering that your factory’s main source of drinking water is from the Wah Springs (once my family’s property). The sewage from the houses on the hills is polluting this God-gifted fresh-water source. You will long be remembered if you can do this.
Meanwhile, exit polls suggest the BJP has trounced the Congress in all four states, including Delhi, where elections have just been held. The extremely hard-line Narendra Modi’s magic has worked, it seems. While reality will rule his policies if he becomes prime minister, his present hard stance is a cause of concern for India’s neighbours, mainly Pakistan. More worrying is the fact that the hardest of the BJP lot surround him. The same lot who torpedoed the Agra talks.
This is what I wrote in The News on July 21, 2001 from Delhi: “There are also increasing numbers of thinking people here who are deeply disappointed at their government’s repeatedly beating the media drum to criticise Pakistan (when the far greater matter of the summit ending on a sour note goes unnoticed), specially when all our side did was to stay on their toes. Indeed, they castigate the Indian Minister for Information Ms Sushma Swaraj going public on the parleys and deliberately omitting to mention Kashmir. It is to be remembered that Pakistan’s spokespeople only reacted to that by issuing a clear statement that Kashmir had indeed been discussed. In the written word too, there is much comment on the summit. I give below excerpts from an article written by the well-known Indian academic, Dr Aijaz Ahmad, which will appear in the magazine Frontline today (Saturday, July 21, 2001).
“Rich in rhetoric, symbolism and even opportunity, the Agra summit kept lurching from exhilaration to impasse, disinformation to breakthrough, hope to high drama to exhaustion, before collapsing in the most disgraceful manner possible, so disgraceful indeed that none of what had been achieved could be salvaged. Soon after midday on the second and last day, television channels showed Mr Abdul Sattar, the seasoned foreign minister of Pakistan, telling media persons that a ‘declaration’ was ‘probable’. For some 10 hours, solemn commentators on the various channels pondered over the difference between ‘declaration’ and ‘statement’.
“Around four o’clock, Musharraf’s departure for Ajmer was finally cancelled, and the channels construed the cancellation as a harbinger of a breakthrough. By 10 or so, as rumours of an impending collapse swirled around, despondency began to set in, and the dimmest sliver of hope was attached to the fact that Musharraf had gone for a quick farewell visit to Mr Vajpayee but had stayed well over an hour. Suddenly, close to midnight, all one could see on the TV channels were the taillights of the speeding cars and vans that were taking the Pakistan delegation to the airport.”
One only hopes that any future peace talks between the two countries succeed in bringing peace to the region, all of us remembering that neither country can win a war against the other … all a war will ensure is mutual destruction.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 6th, 2013.
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My dear Shafisahab Nice to see you back in action. I missed you last week wherein your article didn't appear! I can't understand why you had to rake up the Kashmir issue, a non-issue not only for Indians but also for young Pakistanis. I hope you have read "Maybe we have forgotten Kashmir?" by Prof. Yaqoob Khan Bangash published in this very paper. I read with great interest (and greater surprise as I reached the end of the said article). It brought out that the young Pakistanis are no more as enamoured by the Kashmir issue as their older brethren. Today, the young Pakistani would look for his own prosperity than some old political non-issue like Kashmir. With the kind permission of the professor & ET, I published its translation in my mother tongue Marathi which also received good reader responses. The day Pakistani people realise and accept that Kashmir problem can't be solved except by Pakistan accepting LOC as International border, promising that it will not send terrorists and jihadists in J&K (and India), and agreeing to live in peace with us like good neighbours. It is believed that ZAB had agreed to these conditions during Simla discussions but didn't want to put it in the written communique because he did not want to lose elections! Indian leadership has the same problem. The leader or the Party who dabbles in Kashmir issue will be in political wilderness forever. So unless greater sense prevails amongst Pakistani leadership-both Civil and Military, the possibility of Kashmir becoming a flash point leading to the fourth Indo-Pakistan war does exist. We Indians are aware of this, accept it and are ready for the consequences. So leave Kashmir out and forge friendly relations or keep wasting human, financial and material resources. The choice is with Pakistan.
@Four:@Singh..65 years ago Indians were saying Pakistan wouldn’t last a decade. you are right sir...Original Pakistan lasted for 27 years,
@Four: The Pakistan of 1940s is dead long time back. It lost credibility in 1947 when most of the muslims from current India did not move to Pakistan, except for the Punjabis and Bengalis. Finally a death knell was delivered to this idea of Pakistan with the formation of Bangladesh. What is left of Pakistan today is more of Punjabistan. Finally in the Pakistan of today muslims like Shias, Ahmadis and Baloch are targetted and significantly less safer than muslims in India.
@Singh 65 years ago Indians were saying Pakistan wouldn't last a decade.
@naeem khan Manhattan,Ks: With current scenario do you think Pakistan will survive another 100 years?
right wing hindu??? the most right wing hindu even will in left of the most left wing muslim.
@Assad: "you will quickly learn the meaning of “no one can win a war!”" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ India has been attacked by Pakistan 4 times........each time with the same outcome. So I think you have much to learn from your history...just remove the lies that your text books are full of.
@polpot: If you call vacating two positions occupied by light infantry as "winning a war", then you have much to learn. Try coming to the plains of Punjab in Pakistan and doing the same and you will quickly learn the meaning of "no one can win a war!"
@amoghavarsha.ii:
Not religion Sir if you will, but the 7th century civilisation of the Arabs which enriched the European continent starting from Andalus, spreading across the meditrenian countries.and anchored in the then Universities. Five times prayers a day is unique which neither the christians nor the jews or any people before them prcticed in the middle east which is the cradle of our civilisation.
There have been many civilisations in the Indian sub-continent before Mohingedaro and Harrapa and before Hinduism took rootes, a culture not a religion which recognises no restrictions for individuals.
Rex Minor
ET website under Indian invasion is no longer news.
ET website has been invaded by Indian ... is longer news.
@moderator ET, thankyou for printing my comments was not expecting it, taught u might have some issue.. Thankyou.
@REXMINOR...personal hygine was there before islam was born in middle east, Mohaenjo dharo and Harrapan civilization, which was born in present pakistan was best planned cities in the world at that time, also check the great pharohs/cleaopatra and alexander... don't link or mix hygine with religion.
Hygine is necessity / requirement for body, religion is a tool for conscience, religion is not requirement or need for conscience.
Always linking things to religion @@@
"neither country can win a war against the other …"" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The above facts is being fully expolited by Pakistan; it feels that it can inflict a thousand terror acts against India via the so called non state actors without fear of 'heavy' retribution. That was also the calculus behind Kargil. However any future conflict can take unpredictable shape...though disastrous consequences are only a button away.
@kamran or modi supporters or BJP supporters... BJP/MODI supporters, I see you talking as though congress has bowed out to pakistan or not moved forward in peace. The main reason why congress was not able to succeed in negotations with pakistan is BJP and MODI will make a HUGE NOISE that it is a sellout and most of indian population are illitrate and tend to believe them also with RSS working tirelessly against any friendly relationship with pakistan, any other govt. in India should make double efforts to go for negotiation with pakistan. That is not the case with BJP, it has everything with it, including main opp. party congress to support for negotiations, still it is not able acheive more than minimum expected (apart from window dressing - like bus service etc.,), because they basically don't want !!!! BJP people do not want - because this will erode there vote bank ( hardline hindu votes which is great ter than muslim votes in India ) As for Pakistanis / Kamran, either way you are stuck, because of your own making. Nobody told u to start a war in first case begining with the 1947~8 incursion, every war you start but do not own it, at least if you tell the truth to your people it will be a good start for you. Now with terrorism/fundamentalism,...god only knows how you people will solve things.
Atleast we have more people (including some bjp people) who think there should not be religious terror.
ET moderator, I get the impression that you do not entertain the post after working hours. Let me try agian, 1) The author has not evaluated the loss of population when the loly pops will go in action? After all with first strike strategy it is impossible to ignore it.
2) Those who are required to pray five times a day were meant to give priority to personal hygene. Those muslims who converted to christianity during the period of Reconquista, the inquisition which the spaniard undertook, were still identifiable in Spain because of their cleaning rituals during the day. Todays European hygenic standards are based on what was brought over by the arabs in the Andalus and beyond.
The peole of Pakistan could take a lesson or two from their heritage and upgrade the cleaning up of their sewage systems and the rivers so that 'Mahseers' and other kinds of fresh water fish can be found.
Rex Minor
@Sandip: oh i am so scraed
The last sentence of your article makes the most relevant sense in that the next war between India and Pakistan cannot be won by either. Perhaps a point missed upon by the PM of India, Dr. Manmoham Singh, that Pakistan cannot win a war between two neighbors.
@gp65: Kindly read Kamran's last paragraph again..............the one I have referred to.
Started with environment degradation in country , then came Indian Modi , then something else .Seems Mr.Modi is responsible for degradation of environment in pak.
@Sandip: Who gives a hoot whether India grants any generosity to Pakistan or not, Pakistan does not need any generosity, if any peaceful negotiation is feasible for both countries to live in peace, fine, other wise Pakistan will never succumb to Indian bellicosity. Kashmir is a disputed area and recognized by the international community, India could never subjugate the Kashmiris perpetually and eventually India will have to come to terms to grant Kashmiris their free Joice whom ever they want to be part of . By the way 1971 will never be repeated again by India because Pakistan has the capability to defend it's territory this time around, take my words for it. So if Indians want to be belligerent toward Pakistan then let it be, we have lived it for the last 65 years and could live another 100 years.
“Growing up in Wah in the mid-fifties, my cousins and I would take a leisurely walk along the then pristine little river, the Dhamra, which flows very near our village (and is a sewer now, carrying all forms of debris and raw sewage and chemicals from housing colonies and factories located upstream towards Taxila, the Pakistan Ordnance Factories being one of the worst offenders) ………….”
Talk about hypocrisy! Today we hear of the wanton pollution wrought by the Pakistan Military-Industrial complex while just yesterday Express Tribune was reporting that Mr. Sartaj Aziz had given a sanctimonious lecture to India on the need for withdrawing from the Siachen Glacier on pollution grounds:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/641263/environment-first-india-should-withdraw-siachen-troops-says-sartaj/
Pls follow Sartaz Aziz'z Pollution Control Measures ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ He advises Indian soldiers to vacate Siachin. Ditto for all Pakistani Cities.
"neither country can win a war against the other … all a war will ensure is mutual destruction." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So who initiated Kargil and who won Kargil?
Pakistan has still not realized that the "PEACE" ship has long sailed out of the harbour. The Political set up in Pakistan cannot formulate any foreign and security policy initiative and both countries know it. Pakistani diplomats can only waste the time of those they interact with and have to parrot the stand they are dictated from elsewhere. Both countries have their own problems and should concentrate on solving them and not fooling their people. The rewards of hosting fugitives from everywhere are coming to fruit in Pakistan and India must mind its own business as different groups in Pakistan settle scores with each other.
"ne only hopes that any future peace talks between the two countries succeed in bringing peace to the region, all of us remembering that neither country can win a war against the other … all a war will ensure is mutual destruction."
Well talk to Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif. While Modi has never talked about war with PAkistan Nawaz Sharif recently talked about 4th war with India potentially being triggered. http://inagist.com/all/408171575628681216/. Considering that all wars with India were started by PAkistan and your own war heroes admit this, it shows where the problem is. And no it is not with Modi. http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?68318-Indo-Pak-Wars-who-is-responsible-Air-Marshal-(retd)-Asghar-Khan
@Four: Several people who commented ahead of you are Pakistanis. Even the others seem to have provided facts and logic to support their claims. I did not see any trolling by them. by going in for ad hominem attacks and attacking people's religoin it seems like you are the one that is trollling.
@Sandip: I don't believe the author is expecting any softness or friendship from either side because fact remains neither nation is mature enough or transparent enough to maintain a reasonable relationship. While the author's point is valid and many WISH for a peaceful relationship as there is nothing to lose from it, I think most also find it unattainable and idealistic, or at least most I've spoken to. Best case scenario, both countries can stay out of each other's hair and focus on their own troubles. This age old obsession the nations have with one another is getting old.
To the author, your piece is well written and authentic. Much to be changed if Pakistan plans to return to the glory days of pre Zia growth and further improve upon it as opposed to continuing on this path of destruction.
Same was said about BJP coming to power in 90s and clearing India of all muslims and declaring war on Pakistan !
What we witnessed was the total opposite with Vajpayee taking the most initiative in normalising bilateral ties and in fact being more of a statesman than any of the Congress leaders in the past.
Narendra Modi is good for Pakistan ! He will call spade a spade, avoid lame "olive branches" with useless rhetoric and get down to business. In terms of decision making, he will carry far less baggage than lame duck Congress gov and its dozen allies, would not be accused of getting too chummy with Pakistan and start afresh !
On this side, forget about forked tongue attitude - cant let Hafiz Saeed run amuck in the country and then expecting India to 'warm-up' in the same breath !
Looks like Modi's Hindu cyber army has already hijacked this thread. The fact that these people have nothing to do other than troll and insult Pakistanis on Pakistani sites speaks volumes. For the sake of South Asia I hope that they and their beloved demagogue don't come into power. We need fewer right wing lunatics in positions of power in the region.
It is understandable if some Indian citizens are opposed to Modi and lament him becoming India's prime minister. But very amusing to see Pakistanis chest beating against Modi claiming he will be hardline.
Pakistan carried out 4 wars, several mini wars, terrorism through delusional "1000 cuts" all through the 60 years that Congress ruled India. How does it matter to you!!
"catching Mahseer fish, one and two-pounders, on rude fishing rods made of cane, the cheapest fishing-lines and plain hooks. And whenever the heat got to us, jumping into its clear and cool waters for a swim. " Sir, every child needs to experience this at least once in a life time.Moments like this lasts forever.Thank you ET and Mr, Shafi
P.S. What bait is used to catch Mahseer ?
I do see Mr. Modi becoming the next prime minister until & unless something unforseen happens.He might actually surprise everyone with a practical & business like approach in dealing with Pakistan. Please remember Mr. Modi will in all probability become the first prime minister of India who was born after independence and partition of India. Also, he is neither a Punjabi or Sindhi or Bengali (people who were most affected by partition), and will have no emotional baggage while dealing with Pakistan, which Mr. L K Advani and the current prime minister of India, Manmohan Singh, most definately seem to have.
Dear Shafi Sir, much as I agree with you on the problem of "population explosion" (i.e. in Pakistan), I am afraid to say that you have TOTALLY missed the mark on the matter of the so-called "Agra Summit" in 2001 (and that was before 9/11 incident). Your then "President Musharraf" pretty much laid bare the whole matter in front of the Indian (and world) media (and I can swear to God that I heard him say this on television) that he considers what Indians call "terrorists" in Kashmir as "freedom fighters" ... and that pretty much sealed it as far as the outcome of these so-called "talks" were concerned! Now if you are going to defend his stance then I am afraid that there will NEVER be any kind of "friendship" or whatever (leave alone so-called "trust") between these two countries. The only thing that will happen is more incidents like 26/11/2008... and more antagonism between India and Pakistan. You should ask yourself: Is this what Pakistan and its people want? The longer you people "want" Kashmir by hook or by crook, the farther you will move away from any kind of peace with India. And the more your population increases, the more people that will be born that will only hate India and nothing else -- is that what you want? Do think about it ... please!
There were 4 seats empty at PTI's latest dharna. How did you manage to overlook such an imoortant issue and took time to write about a relatively unimportant issue of population growth.
keep sending your brothers to kashmir. Indian army is waiting for fresh meat.
The bit about us messing up the environment was so true. Remember going the first time to Murree hills as a child in the late 50's and staying at Brightlands Hotel ( I think it was ) and having tea, children had milk-shake and sandwiches at Sam's or Lintott's. Years later we took our children and ran back to Islamabad the same evening...... even Murree is a mess. On the Indian elections it seems a foregone conclusion now that the BJP / Modi will form the next government and your ending remarks on this makes abundant sense.
now like any urban area in Pakistan brimming with ugly plazas; garbage dumps; plastic bags flying about; motor service stations spewing oils and grease into the Dhamra as if the factories were not enough; the loquat and plum orchards giving way to polluting marble-cutting factories and other such. These are real drones that are causing slow death to citizens including right wingers.Where are you IK! Why don't you do your dharnas for real issues if only you have love for this nation if only you are serious to serve this land.
Mr. Shafi, with all due respects, Pakistan can forget any softness from any party in India in the present circumstances. The Indian people have lost all appetite to show any generosity towards Pakistan after 26/11. It appears that Pakistan has completely missed the impact that that monstrosity had on the Indian public.