Pakistan moves closer to clinch spot at CERN

Published: October 5, 2013
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The Globe of Science and Innovation at CERN. PHOTO: FILE

The Globe of Science and Innovation at CERN. PHOTO: FILE

ISLAMABAD: 

Pakistan on Friday moved a step closer to becoming associate member of European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), the largest particle physics laboratory in the world.

According to scientists at the National Centre for Physics (NCP) which has been collaborating with CERN since 2000, the CERN Council unanimously approved in principle Pakistan’s name for the process of achieving associate membership, at a meeting on September 17.

The final approval for associate membership depends upon the report of a CERN “fact-finding mission” which will visit Pakistan in February 2014, said Dr Hafeez Hoorani, who is the Director Research at NCP.

The Council’s approval marks the culmination of a process that was initiated by Pakistani scientists in 2008 and has witnessed scientific lobbying, political delays and even a diplomatic campaign by the Pakistani Foreign Office. It also signals the beginning of a process that could potentially lead to Pakistan’s associate membership by the end of 2014.

Located on the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland, CERN conducts some of the most complex scientific experiments of all-time in a bid to understand the structure of the universe. It is the birthplace of the World Wide Web and is home to the world’s largest particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

Pakistan is already contributing to CERN projects including designing detection technology and providing personnel support for the LHC’s maintenance. Associate membership could take the level of collaboration up a notch.

Hoorani, who also works as a Senior Physicist on the Compact Muon Solenoid detector project at CERN, said the membership would allow Pakistan to send more students to CERN for research.

“If we try to send students for research work at CERN now, we have to put up a request,” he said. “With the associate membership, we will get a student quota of say around 15 students so it will be our right and we won’t have to beg.”

The membership would also allow Pakistan to become a part of any CERN projects — a right the country could exercise based on its national interests. Pakistani industry would also be able to apply on a preferential basis for any tenders issued by CERN, NCP scientists said.

Back in June when talks of Pakistan’s associate membership became public, Pakistani physicist Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy had told The Express Tribune that Pakistan’s “modest” collaboration is more about equipment manufacture than physics.

“In no way does this (collaboration) mean that we are on par with China, India, the European countries or the United States,” Hoodbhoy had said, but he had appreciated that it would allow Pakistani students a window into the world of advanced scientific experiments.

The CERN Council consists of 20 member states — all European countries — which are represented by two members each, a scientist and a diplomat. According to NCP scientists, the diplomats were reluctant when Pakistan’s associate membership application came up this year.

CERN has three associate members at present: Serbia, Israel and Ukraine. Responding to a question, Hoorani said Pakistan has also beaten regional neighbour India to the membership process.

Following the approval from the Council, a four-member CERN team led by Director for Research and Computing, Sergio Bertolluci, will visit Pakistan in 2014, he said.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 5th, 2013.

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Reader Comments (113)

  • Pradhan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:21AM

    God you guys are…….

    anyways
    .
    India is participating in CERN since 1970. We are about to create our own Particle collider with Japan.
    .
    do a simple google search before you write an article.

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  • Pradhan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:23AM

    not sure if my message went through.

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  • Awan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:29AM

    Finally! some good news for a change

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  • ironMan!
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:53AM

    Major achievement this! Long live our scientists and engineers!

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  • hmm
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:54AM

    Mr Pervaiz Hoodbhoy lives in Pakistan yet he always comes across as a pessimist. Sorry Sir, if you were not able to lead Pakistani physicists at CERN, learn to appreciate good things.

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  • Raj - USA
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:59AM

    @Awan:
    “Finally! some good news for a change”

    Agree with you. It is a good news.

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  • Four
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:06AM

    @Pradhan

    What is wrong with you. All Indians do is bash Pakistan for the sake of bashing Pakistan and that to on a Pakistani site. If you have nothing worth saying then don’t say it. The air of smug superiority you have is just obnoxious- and not to mention misplaced (hint: poverty and malnutrition are still huge problems in India).

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  • Imran Umaid
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:17AM

    @Pradhan: ” do a simple google search before you write an article.”
    ya exactly dude do some google search before you comment. This article is talking about membership and not participating.
    you Indians are ………….anyways……….:)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN

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  • LaLakiMKaa
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:19AM

    Men gosh..India is observer in research and donated approximate 400 crore paki rs….and pakistanis are obsessed with west still…while India,china,Brazil and Russia are in their own league moving swiftly and promoting themselves…This one is a nice read for pakistani people to not get over excited on everything small……

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-01-07/science/361919771accelerator-large-hadron-collider-neutron-star

    http://www.vecc.gov.in/

    Enjoy……

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  • Fariha
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:24AM

    How about we try to ignore all the negative comments?. I am just excited that 15 Pakistani students would be able to participate, in the research work.:’).

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  • Fariha
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:24AM

    How about we try to ignore all the negative comments?. I am just excited that 15 Pakistani students would be able to participate, in the research work.:’).

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:26AM

    @Four: yeah right …. as if pakistan has no poverty and malnutrition….as per the BISP report 45% population of pak is living below poverty line and only 6% farmers get to eat three meals a day…. this is from ur very own ET article….
    anyway just read what hoodboy said… u guys are simply not in par with us….. call me when u get a membership….:lol :)

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  • Someone
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:30AM

    @Pradhan: The article is about membership. India only has observer status at CERN.

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  • Indian
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:37AM
  • B
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:49AM

    @Imran Umaid:
    “ya exactly dude do some google search before you comment. This article is talking about membership and not participating.
    you Indians are ………….anyways……….:)”

    Check the following TWO links”

    http://talkmag.in/cms/news/science-tech/item/1777-india-is-set-for-the-next-big-act-in-physics-after-the-cern-experiment

    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/sep/03/asia-pacific-particle-physicists-back-ilc

    you Pakistanis are ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyways…………

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  • Kazim Muneer
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:49AM

    While India has produced lots and lots of prominent scientists and intellectuals, their intelligence agencies have deployed an army of pathetic observers and anti-Pakistan elements who do nothing but read contents on Pakistani websites and leave comments and observations that has absolutely no intellectual value. Pradhan is one such example. Well, what can I say? India is 1.25 Billion; most of which comprised of poor. The concept of “Shining India” is not going to sustain as long as pathetic policy makers in India continue to ignore the majority of Indians who deserve attention. Please leave Pakistan and Pakistani along and pay attention on your own problems. The more you pay attention to Pakistan, more problems you will get yourself into – economically speaking.

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  • yasir
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:52AM

    we are really happy with this mega achievement. I am sure a day will come when Pakistan will lead the CERN. Lets move on the path of success Pakistan.

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  • Four
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:54AM

    @Raj

    I think you missed the point. We have all those problems but unlike Indians we don’t have illusions of grandeur. Most of your population lives in poverty just like ours.

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  • roadkashehzada
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:57AM

    to all indians commenting here
    dear indians, we pakistanis are a war torn nation fighting for the world for 34 years since 1979. i wont go in details but when u keep on comparing ur (not so) “shining india” with my war torn country, its a victory for me because my country can still compete with u after 34 yrs of war and terrorism

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  • Oct 5, 2013 - 12:03PM

    @Pradhan:
    Man , building a collider is very good but please build some toilets as well as majority of Indians ‘ do it’ somewhere out in the open. Majority are malnourished and you guys have the largest ‘ collection ‘ of worlds poorest people, thousands of your farmers commit suicide every year and majority of you are ugly as well. its ok to brag online and live in the dream of your stupid Bollywood world but the reality is out on the streets only if you can see it. Your big empty indian heads are soon going to be busted is your so called growth that depended on change from the feds had a jolt, just wait and see before you guys know your right place in the world, its a matter of time.

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  • hmm
    Oct 5, 2013 - 12:24PM

    @raj:
    Well this article is about Pakistani Physicists working at CERN, not on some poverty evaluation! and if you are so much concerned about poverty, then think about your 500 million people who are living below the poverty line instead of pointing fingers at us. When your country becomes a developed nation then you can point fingers at us, right now you are just making a joke out of yourself.

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  • indian shia
    Oct 5, 2013 - 12:27PM

    have the writer searched about #HIGGSBOSON and why it is named so,probably that may clear his misconception and his naive thought of measuring through indian barometer.

    Anyways its a good news for south asia and must be appreciated and special congrts to pak science community.kudos

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  • B
    Oct 5, 2013 - 12:31PM

    @Four:
    It seems that you have missed the point. What he is telling you that yes we have a problem and we are fully into it to bring them out. It is an ongoing process and not a magic wand. So many have come out and more will in the furture. As for illiusions of grandeur, without hope and dreams, we will only be moving back in time.

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  • hmm
    Oct 5, 2013 - 12:32PM

    As for all the Indians who come here just to bash Pakistan – India is far from a developed nation, by the year 2050 you will beat China – but only in terms of population, so worry about that. Provide food, sanitation & homes to half of your billion people population who live on $2 a day ( that is more than double the whole population of Pakistan!).

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  • vasan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 12:36PM

    Good news. If this news weans at least one educated pakistani away from jihadi mindset, it will set the trend

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  • Sunil Bhalla
    Oct 5, 2013 - 12:58PM

    Congrats to Pakistan.

    India too is not just contributing through science but also with her ancient philosophy. Outside CERN there is huge statue of dancing LORD SHIVA to respect the deep philosophy behind God Shiva that resembles which CERN is trying to achieve and prove through physics. Science through CERN will unite religion with God.

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  • Indian
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:01PM

    but unlike Indians we don’t have illusions of grandeur. Most of your population lives in poverty just like ours.

    Hold on bro you miss a point we don’t live on Loans and condition of IMF …. So, it time for you to think about your country not your arch rivals having billion US Dollar as reserve and according to CNN. in 84 our total population which is below poverty line was 40 crore even now the number is 40 crore though our population is on rise … And now you have bring me to Indian economy lets clear a point of same newspaper article which say rupee will go below 80 but, actually it’s now on 60 exact 60

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  • M. Emad
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:02PM

    CERN should be watchful on Pakistani scientists as I guess the main objective of many Pakistani scientists are to steal data from CERN and sale it to countries like North Korea, Iran, Syria etc and to terrorists organizations (Dr. A. Q. Khan story). Its safe if Pakistanis given the jobs of cleaners only in CERN (many institute/ offices/ hospitals/ Universities in Europe have mainly Pakistani cleaners and they are very good at cleaning).

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  • Indian
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:08PM

    @Kazim : stop it yr we use your first line for Chinese leave it that a different story

    First of all now it’s Bharat Nirmaan if congress while shining India was of BJP Back in 2000

    The more you pay attention to Pakistan, more problems you will get yourself into – economically speaking.

    Wow last word economically a country who is in burden of loans from IMF Is saying to a country having more then 200 billion USD As foreign reserve leave a side 20000 tons of gold

    And poverty hmmm we both are suffering isn’t it recent piks of your occupied balochistan show the poverty in Pakistan!!

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  • Oct 5, 2013 - 1:29PM

    YAY. Pakistan Zindabad.

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  • Pakistani
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:35PM

    @raj:

    And the following is from your newspapers. Am sure it will make your day:

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-04-19/india/386730881extreme-poverty-poverty-line-jim-yong-kim

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/WorldEconomy/World-Bank-to-lend-India-upto-20-bn-to-fight-poverty/Article1-1043511.aspx

    Call us when you achieve something substantial and real…. LOL

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  • Fact is fact
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:39PM

    @Pradhan:
    Read it again.. it says associate membership.. not participating which would entitle pak students to study there which india hasn’t made till. But you are right both india and pak shpuld comparing with each other. Doesn’t make sense.

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  • Asif
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:56PM

    This article is not about India, why are there Indians here? What does this have to do with India.. go read your own good news websites if you have any and talk about poverty and other things

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  • ABC
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:58PM

    @B: Dude the links are only talking about India collaborations with CERN. There are so many countries who collaborate with CERN. having said that, India does not have any form of membership at CERN barring an observer status.

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  • Beef eater
    Oct 5, 2013 - 1:59PM

    @Indian: Read the last line of the article you linked:

    Interestingly, Sinha pointed out that it would be “embarrassing” if Pakistan becomes an associate member of CERN before India

    Always the same mentality. India the useless country.

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  • Xaira
    Oct 5, 2013 - 2:36PM

    This is certainly a well appreciated achievement which will certainly facilitate to prevail the true image of nuclear Pakistan all over the world especially among the European countries. There have been lots of controversies all over the world regarding the nuclear issue of Pakistan. This membership reflects that Pakistan’s nuclear buildup is very safe and soundly heading towards the well being of the country. The exchange of scientists and diplomats would play a very instrumental role to achieve civilian nuclear technology in order to get rid of the energy crisis.

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  • kumar
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:05PM

    good achievement….congrats

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  • Javed
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:10PM

    @Pradhan:
    Instead of creating your co-called “particle collider” you should create more toilets in your country!

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  • TJD
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:13PM

    All thanks and praises must go to our ex-pres Zardari and his deep interest in particle physics that now our country is getting this honor :))

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  • M. Emad
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:24PM

    In public offices/ big hospitals etc in the UK, majority of the cleaning staffs are from Pakistan (and Afganistan). It is good to know that there are highly educated Pakistani to work at CERN. Pakistan government should spent more money for modern education.

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  • Aakashvaani
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:24PM

    @Javed: We don’t have toilets in our country just so we can feed Pakistan. Otherwise, you will have to go looking for more loans from IMF and the Worldbank. Ok!

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  • Sonia
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:34PM

    @Javed:
    lols.. so true… I was there recently in new delhi the capital mind you, and naked kids were pooping on the streets…

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  • Indian
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:45PM

    @roadkashehzada:
    your war torn country is completely torn . we are not comparing ourselves with you .we are just replying to your article that mentioned india.

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  • Pradhan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 3:56PM

    @Four:

    CERN has three associate members at present: Serbia, Israel and Ukraine. Responding to a question, Hoorani said Pakistan has also beaten regional neighbour India to the membership process.

    After reading above statement how do you think an Indian will react to ??? So, again, what is wrong with you ??

    Russia, US, EU, India Japan have observer status till date and most of the remaining country who are not a memeber have cooperation agreement which by the way includes Paksitan too.

    Now why would you compare yourself with India why not china or us or australia???

    @Imran Umaid:

    About membership, did you even read the wiki page you posted here ??? Do you see the list of the countries who have applied for associate Member status ??? do you see India’s name in it ???

    So, how on earth did Pakistan beat India??

    Now if you want to know India’s contribution towards Particle physics then let me throw few links too.

    http://cds.cern.ch/record/1189438/files/CM-P00083830-e.pdf about India’s contributions and why they have observer status which by the way Pakistan still doesn’t have it has only co-operation agreement

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-basedNeutrinoObservatory India has their own fascility.

    The reason why India is not interested in associate membership is we are involved in ILC. Please go through below link to know India’s contribution in ILC.

    http://talkmag.in/cms/news/science-tech/item/1777-india-is-set-for-the-next-big-act-in-physics-after-the-cern-experiment

    I could have thrown all these links on my first statement but I didn’t want to spoon feed you with facts but … anyways… nevermind…

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  • Pradhan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:00PM

    @Javed:

    Don’t sing like a parrot.

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  • Pak101
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:09PM

    @Javed: Bro you know Narendra Modi Election slogan is to Build Toilets……hahaha

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  • M
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:11PM

    @Pradhan:
    Pakistan has been participating at CERN as long as India has, the article was talking about associate membership NOT participation, you need to work on your comprehension skills, or use google translate to understand this article.

    @indian shia:
    30 Pakistani scientists worked on the Higgs Boson.

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  • Sonia
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:14PM

    @Javed:
    Lols true that… I was in New Delhi recently the capital mind you and there were kids pooping on the streets

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  • Pradhan
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:15PM

    @Kazim Muneer:

    While India has produced lots and lots of prominent scientists and intellectuals, their intelligence agencies have deployed an army of pathetic observers and anti-Pakistan elements who do nothing but read contents on Pakistani websites and leave comments and observations that has absolutely no intellectual value. Pradhan is one such example. Well, what can I say? India is 1.25 Billion; most of which comprised of poor. The concept of “Shining India” is not going to sustain as long as pathetic policy makers in India continue to ignore the majority of Indians who deserve attention. Please leave Pakistan and Pakistani along and pay attention on your own problems. The more you pay attention to Pakistan, more problems you will get yourself into – economically speaking.

    Are you saying I am paid by Intelligence agencies to comment on this website??? Grow up Muneer.

    I can speak for myself. I don’t comment on articles where you didn’t mention India or Indians with 3 or 4 exception.

    The purpose of my comment is to let you and author know that stop draging India to your discussion. majority of Indians don’t want to do anything with you.

    And India will sustain even with the policy makers you mentioned now tell me something if Indian policy makers are pathetic then what would you call your policy makers??? nevermind don’t answer it…

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  • Pakhtoon
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:19PM

    @Indian: “Interestingly, Sinha pointed out that it would be “embarrassing” if Pakistan becomes an associate member of CERN before India.”
    Nearly 60% of the people in the world who defecate in the open belong to India, The Indian railway is really the world’s biggest open toilet.
    isn’t that an embarrassing for your Mr. Sinha ????

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  • aaaaa
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:25PM

    interesting how they have a street named after Dr. Abdus Salam for ages but we are not even members. Shows you the relative importance of Dr. AQ Khan and his crew as compared to our only Nobel prize winner. A lesson we are in dire need of learning.

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  • Xaira
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:30PM

    This is certainly a well appreciated achievement which will certainly facilitate to prevail the true image of nuclear Pakistan all over the world especially among the European countries. There have been lots of controversies all over the world regarding the nuclear issue of Pakistan. This membership reflects that Pakistan’s nuclear buildup is very safe and soundly heading towards the well being of the country. The exchange of scientists and diplomats would play a very instrumental role to achieve civilian nuclear technology in order to get rid of the energy crisis.

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  • Sibal
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:41PM

    Now our government has one more place to post their sweet hearts.

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  • Water Bottle
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:42PM

    @hmm:

    A realist appears to be a pessimist. Impractical appears to be optimism. Choose what you want to believe in. Either you can send a man on Moon in five years or look at your faults and correct them.

    @Pradhan:

    What does it matter? You Indians are such inferior creatures that you weigh yourself against your puny neighbors like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Srilanka. Compare yourself to China and the United states (of comparable size and population) and you will find your tail firmly tucked between your feet.Recommend

  • Monika
    Oct 5, 2013 - 4:45PM

    For a time being, if admitted that India has its so called superiority that’s why India is having 42% of world’s total hunger. It is about CERN taking Pakistan on board which indicates Pakistan’s development in the respective field in a responsible direction.Recommend

  • Indian
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:04PM

    @Pakhtoon

    Nearly 60% of the people in the world who defecate in the open belong to India, The Indian railway is really the world’s biggest open toilet.
    isn’t that an embarrassing for your Mr. Sinha ????

    And if that 60% use border as toilet your whole Pakistan would be in flood (enjoy )

    And actually the number is 20 crore not 60% but , maybe in Pakistan that is 60%

    So, no one cares about country that survive on loan and peace talk with terrorist :p

    P.S Drone are on there way to destroy your luxury toilet

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  • Water Bottle
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:08PM

    @Pakhtoon:

    “Nearly 60% of the people in the world who defecate in the open belong to India”

    Defecating in the open is completely misunderstood by the world.

    In cities, it is a problem, where there’s less greenery and water and ‘open’ means streets and alleyways.

    But India lives in its villages and a majority of the open defecation takes place in villages, where the excreta directly goes to nature, plants and trees becoming a fantastic natural manure.

    This is absolutely good, unless you have no brain to understand it.

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:09PM

    @Javed:
    Yes I second it. Narendra Modi is will be building more toilets for the Indians before building and more temples. For this election campaign ‘motto’ i support him. Now it looks as though as the whole India is one big toilet.

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  • Saania
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:10PM

    @M. Emad:
    Nice to see another Indian posing with Pakistani name to do their propaganda as usual. What about the thousands of Pakistani doctors in the UK.and this is not a recent story since the 70s and 80s Pakistani doctors and engineers have been in demand in the uk.
    If you put what you said in the context of eastern european countries someone might partially believe you… but you are talking about an anglo country such United Kingdom. YOu are hilarious…
    there are hundreds of resources online these are just a few:

    http://www.geo.tv/article-62556-Pakistan-becomes-largest-exporter-of-young-doctors-to-UK

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/british-people-put-last-uk-doctors-forced-compete-nhs-jobs-pakistanis-and-sudanese

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:14PM

    @Sonia:
    India can easily win the Nobel prize for filth and squalor…says an Indian.
    here is the link

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india-can-win-the-nobel-prize-for-filth-ramesh/544212/

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  • Saania
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:22PM

    indians are more about showing off what doesnt exist… a lot of noise without any substance so as to speak.. just like their movies… meaningless drama. inka kam he sarhna. sarhne do…this is a burnol event for them…

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  • pot kettle black
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:24PM

    @Four:
    You should hear the things Pakistani’s say about Afghans on hear. You’ll arrive at a whole new definition of “smug superiority.”

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:30PM

    @M. Emad:
    Karachi has about 1 million Bengalis working as house cleaners and doing other janitorial stuff, and i don’t want to demean and demoralize the dignity of labor. President Obama on record, has praised Pakistani doctors, including Neuro-Surgeons, heart specialists, physicians numbering more than fifteen thousands as contributing greatly to the healthcare of United States.

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  • Talha Rizvi
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:43PM

    @M. Emad:
    a large number of maids in Karachi are illegal Bangladeshis and they are not even good at that. Apart from that they are also involved in prostitution smuggling and many have joined extremist religious parties. Let me tell you about your own country which is nothing but a colony of India. Your comment written for the benefit of your Indian masters shows the depths of your mentality. One suicide bomber in Karachi was a Bengali. Now I feel that you and the Afghanis are both ungrateful people who despite dumping millions of their uneducated citizens come here to display their hatred against Pakistan. Shame on you and please see a psychiatrist as you clearly have issues with Pakistan.
    @Aakashvaani: Like every thing else spoken by the Indian official spokesmen your comments display your own ignorance.
    @ET: Either remove M.Emad comment or allow a rebuttal if you really belief in freedom of speech. If this man gets two comments then why I can’t get one.

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:48PM

    @Sonia:
    Come Narendra Modi and all this will stop as he has promised to Indians: ‘ Build toilets first and temples later’ . He makes sense, doesn’t he?

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  • Django
    Oct 5, 2013 - 5:54PM

    @Pradhan
    I am an Indian and a proud one.
    There was no need to make that comment. Were you dropped on the head a few times?
    ..Sincerely

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:06PM

    @raj:
    There is no denying the fact that Pakistan has poverty and hunger and need to work full throttle ahead to achieve the millennium development goals. We should not point finger at each other atleast in this subject, both carries the same baggage. India is a huge country with 1240 million(124 crore) people and Pakistan has a population 180 million(18 crores).
    Here is and interesting article printed in the Telegraph, UK, comparing the human index level in both countries.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/8867353/Indian-poverty-levels-higher-than-Pakistans-says-UN-report.html#disqus_thread

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  • Brookside
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:34PM

    I’m Indian and I am happy that Pakistan is doing good at international level at something. But i must say most of Pakistanis suffer from a disease called Indophobia. Their yardstick for measurement is India . If they make mark somewhere at International level , their extreme joy is of beating India as this article have written Hoorani said Pakistan has also beaten regional neighbour India to the membership process. If they fail in something then again they will point out at some deficiencies of India and console themselves. India is country with large number of people and lots of corruption but its developing and problem of toilets will disappear slowly. BTW most of arguments of Pakistanis center around toilets ,what about electricity , railway , poor infrastructure ? or you have only five star toilets in Pakistan ? I hope E.T will publish this .

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:38PM

    lol … pakistan is talking about toilets pakistan itself is under severe toilet crisis with 1/4 th of population defecating outside…..
    pakistani trains to flush out toilet on open tracks where as india is currently installing bio toilets…..i wonder if pakistan has running trains….. pakistan has a tattered economy and rupee has touched a record low…. pak beggars have again begged from IMF…..
    karachi is among least livable cities in the world… pak still suffers from polio…so much for a nuclear power…LOL

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:41PM

    @Kazim Muneer: economically speaking its ur country that is having problem…. pakistan suffers not only from abject poverty but also from polio and other diseases…..medical facilities in pakistan are so pathetic that they line up for indian visa to get themselves checked up…lol..
    anyway enjoy loadshedding and enjoy viber ,skype ,whatsapp….oh is it banned??

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:43PM

    @Four: while our middle class is huge and so is our purchasing power….and thats the reason y we have luxury car manufacturers while u dont …. u have polio and loadshedding …. and a cough syrup dat kill people not to forget the MQM guys too :)

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:45PM

    @me: thats coz we have a huge population dumbo…. percentage wise poverty in pak is much higher …..of course if u want to believe ur govt figure 17% poverty and alll then go ahead….but more than half of ur population lives in poverty and foreign investments in ur country are very low…. u r a beggar nation who can only beg from usa and IMF……:)

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  • antanug
    Oct 5, 2013 - 6:47PM

    ad to read the comments from Indians…..

    i. They should appreciate and encourage a worn torn country over a glimmer of hope created by their people.
    ii. Why Indians are so obsessed with Pakistan and why comparing every thing with them/
    iii. As a BIG BROTHER why cant we simply congratulate Pakistan and wish them luck.After all a scientific development will help it become prosperous, knowledgeable and thus fight the terrorism which would help the entire world.

    OBVIOUSLY MOST OF US DO NOT WANT PAKISTAN TO BECOME NORMAL COUNTRY DUE TO DEEP BIAS.

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  • M.Hamza
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:09PM

    Coooolllllllll ……… Let the Indians Burst open their Bottoms

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:13PM

    Too much obsession with something (in any form) is a psychiatric problem called “Obsessive Compulsive Disorder’ . I didn’t know our neighboring country has a quite a few people with this syndrome. (pun intended)

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:29PM

    @antanug:
    I am elated and ecstatic that there are people in India who thinks in this way. This is the way to go.

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  • Pakistani Ostrich
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:49PM

    Hoorani, who also works as a Senior Physicist on the Compact Muon Solenoid detector project at CERN, said …
    “With the associate membership, we will get a student quota of say around 15 students so it will be our right and we won’t have to beg.”

    This is indeed a very good news for the nation. Only thing i have to add is that Hoorani needs to be trained in diplomatic skill. His statement reeks of arrogance and disdaind for using words like ‘our right’ and ‘beg’.
    We should remember that we are ‘invited’/(guest of) by the CERN owned by the European. It is not our ‘right’!.

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  • Curious
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:55PM

    Amazing to see how much chest thumping pakis do!
    Money for paki budget comes mostly from circulating the begging bowl all over the world!

    By sponsoring terrorism and threatening to blow yourself up, you live on ransom money.
    What is this big talk?!

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  • Pakistani Ostrich
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:55PM

    Hoorani, who also works as a Senior Physicist on the Compact Muon Solenoid detector project at CERN, said …
    “With the associate membership, we will get a student quota of say around 15 students so it will be our right and we won’t have to beg.”

    This is indeed a very good news for the nation. Only thing i have to add is that Hoorani needs to be trained in diplomatic skill. His statement reeks of arrogance and disdaind for using words like ‘our right’ and ‘beg’.
    We should remember that we are ‘invited’/(guest of) by the CERN owned by the European. It is not our ‘right’!.

    The irony is the part of the research work at CERN involves verifying Mohammad Abdus Salam/Bose theory. The European might have some respect for pakistani scientists because of Mohammad Abdus Salam’s work in Europe, little do european know Mohammad Abdus Salam would get killed in today’s pakistan, for being an ahmadi.

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  • B
    Oct 5, 2013 - 7:58PM

    @ABC:
    Did you read and understood the article? This is what the first para says:

    “Particle physicists in Asia and Oceania have issued a joint statement calling for the construction of the International Linear Collider (ILC), describing the proposed design as “the most promising electron–positron collider to achieve next-generation physics objectives”. The announcement also backs Japan’s intention to host the facility and comes less than two weeks after Japanese physicists announced their location of choice for the ILC. Together, these announcements make it look increasingly likely that the next major particle-physics experiment after CERN’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be built in Japan rather than Europe or North America”.

    We are not talking about CERN but an offshoot of it called ILC.

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 5, 2013 - 8:44PM

    @Curious:
    This is a misplaced perception. India has received about 55 billion USD aid so far from different countries of the world, many a times more than Pakistan. One thirds of the world’s poor lives in India. Yes its true that India is refusing aid now so as to make it appear prosperous and a middle income country, but there is a huge baggage of aid to India.

    Here is latest report about aid from Japan
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/japan-to-grant-india-232-bln-aid/article4554306.ece

    here is another one.
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jan/10/uk-aid-india

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  • Eric Kumar
    Oct 5, 2013 - 8:48PM

    @Pakhtoon:
    There is no comparison between India and Pakistan. India’s GDP is 9 times bigger and surging along and Pakistan is always with begging bowl to IMF. Pakistan railways is a dying species. While India’s railways are one of the worlds largest and trying hard to improve every day.

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  • Muhammad Saim
    Oct 5, 2013 - 8:55PM

    The news has something to rejoice in the overall context of affairs in country! however there is something painful associated with it to, a shame factor!

    CERN & Higgs Boson all revolve around our own Dr. Abdus Salam, its his theories that this lab is working on and trying to prove. Dr. Salam played a vital role in helping Pakistani scientist get international exposure, unfortunately his efforts were opposed with force, physical and diplomatic by none other than his own country men and this cost many a bright Pakistani scientist opportunities to get International exposure. Dr. Salam dedicated his energies in promoting education, science and technology in Pakistan and Islamic world.

    Today as we get a chance at CERN, I feel little ashamed on just 15 or so seats (in donation/stipend), we could have been controlling this lab and these experiments had we supported Dr. Salam.

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  • Muhammad Saim
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:08PM

    @indian shia:

    Dear, you need to do “net surfing” yourself first. The Higgs mechanism was incorporated into modern particle physics by Steven Weinberg and Abdus Salam.

    The name Higgs is referred to Peter Higgs and Boson is a technical term coined by Dirac in memory of Indian scientist and Einstien’s fellow Satyendra Nath Bose but Bose has no direct link with Higgs Bosson, theory. Its Dr. Salam who is behind the theory.

    By the way, Dr. Salam had great regard for Bose and both respected each other.

    Check both links below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDkVU2zTFp8

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism

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  • sm
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:15PM

    @Four:
    Does your Deep State not have a Strategic Depth extension plan to enforce a Islamic Caliphate across Central Asia and The whole of South Asia?

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  • Doubting Thomas
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:19PM

    CERN should be carefull in allowing a Pakistani anywhere near CERN. Remember A Q Khan!

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  • hmm
    Oct 5, 2013 - 9:55PM

    so many distraught indians coming here and venting out their frustration on Pakistan lol

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:42PM

    while india might be miles ahead of pakistan in economy and infrastructure ( airport ,ports,railways,transport,electricity) ,technology and expertise…… social infrastructure of both countries in hopeless….. pak may not meet any of the MDG but india might also miss some….. we should come together to improve this…. Peace!!

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  • Eric Kumar
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:44PM

    I know many Pakistanis residing in US especially born pre-patition can not claim be Pakistanis because Pakistan’s reputation world wide and what is the present condition and what is happening now. They claim to be called themselves Indians because they were Indian in British India. When asked when last time they visited Pakistan and when they plan to do so, their reply, We rather prefer to go visit India.

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:46PM

    @Sonia: lol… u r not the first pakistani to be in india to prove ur point and u wont be the last ….let me tell u in delhi more than 90% people have toilet…..
    anyways just read one of the articles in dawn where in a journalist writes about the difference between delhi and karachi and how he is awe struck seeing the infra of delhi and huge women presence in public … which he calls refreshing since that u do not get to c in pakistan..lol…
    u sure were in delhi… LOL….

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:50PM

    @Pakhtoon: there aren’t toilets even in ur trains stud… :p ….. 5 years more and every train shall have bio toilets… that too made by very own drdo… whereas ur bullock carts can only day dream of begging 1… hahahaha…………forget toilets even ur so called luxury trains dont leave on time…..pak business express…. :D hahahaha…….. if muslims and dalit and tribes are poor then its their fault ……..especially muslims……they produce toooooooooooooooo much…….should control na…. LOl…..btw hows the boom boom going ?? hope we aren’t blocking ur waters or r we…. we r? go cry now and get bombed by drone……

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  • raj
    Oct 5, 2013 - 10:52PM

    @hmm: isn’t it pakis who r frustrated coz of u tube,whatsapp,viber and skype ban…cellphone ban and of course electricity ban…..cng ban….. :D

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  • Mohammed Yusuf
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:18PM

    @roadkashehzada:
    Sorry boss, you are not fighting a war on behalf of the world. You are fighting as mercenaries of the US, who is paying you billions of dollars to clean up the mess that you have in the first place helped to create.

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  • Mohammed Yusuf
    Oct 5, 2013 - 11:23PM

    @hmm:
    Do the calculation $2 is equal to 225 Pakistani rupees. The poor in India are much better off than an average Pakistani worker who earns less than 200 Pakistani rupees per day. How many Pakistani workers get that much wages?

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  • Chacko Cherian
    Oct 6, 2013 - 12:06AM

    @Siddiqui:
    It seems you are not sure how International trade and loans work.Take the case of Japan aid-as you put it,it is a loan which they(Japenese) are happy to lend to India as it gives them interest plus the actual amount.You must know that for various metro,high speed rail projects several nations were flocking with loans and technology,each trying to out wit the other.It is bcoz these nations are sure about the economy of India,its strength and the growth in coming years.They(money lending institutions) know that it is a win-win situation.

    About Britain since it regard itself as a former colonial power it was providing an aid for long time,may be from post independence.Now when Britain was facing near recession and India among the top ten economy they felt that it was time to end aid for India,which even India thinks is good(mind you this is not a loan)I am not sure post the published report India has recieved any such aid.But I can tell you that British PM,Cameron was in India soon after taking office and was pleading for contracts and deals reminding us of the historical ties.May be he is aware that India will enter into a deal only if it is beneficial to itself.

    If it was same in Pakistan now lenders would have been happily providing Pakistan with loans.Hope you got the difference between two types of “AID

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  • Mohammed Yusuf
    Oct 6, 2013 - 12:35AM

    @Eric Kumar:
    I totally agree with you. I know of many Pakistanis in the UAE, especially from Karachi and who had migrated to Pakistan from India during partition.They don’t go back to Pakistan for years. In fact I know of one who got both his daughters married to Indian boys because he told me that since they are born and raised in the UAE, it would be very difficult for them to adjust to boys from Karachi and the way of life in Pakistan. Both his daughters are doctors and they studied in the UK. The girls and their mother always used to say that they are Indians and not Pakistanis. In fact, this man and his family were visiting their relatives in the US and his wife proudly told her Pakistani hosts that she is an Indian and they were shocked. So one of them said, but you have a Pakistani passport. To which she replied: “This passport is just a piece of paper, but the blood in my veins is from India – from Delhi and Lucknow”.
    I know even in Canada, many Pakistanis claim that they are Indians, especially the younger generation.

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  • Omz
    Oct 6, 2013 - 1:33AM

    “Responding to a question, Hoorani said Pakistan has also beaten regional neighbour India to the membership process.”

    Not that I mind being compared to our well-meaning neighbors next-door (if their comments on the articles here are anything to go by), but it would have been nice if this quoted bit and how it seems to be repeated in a lot of similar articles was phased appropriately for a respectable news source. The current wording makes it seem like some petty competition which we won against an arch rival. And even if we did, you can make it sound respectable.

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  • Siddiqui
    Oct 6, 2013 - 1:47AM

    @Chacko Cherian:
    Then it’s a loan disguised as aid, with very low mark up rate and set on very amicable and easy conditions. Pakistan has a debt of 58 billion USD, and for India it is about 360 billion USD. The GDP ratio of loans to India is higher than to Pakistan
    The figure i quoted is about grants and charities/financial assistance received so far, and not about loans. India has for the last few years have stopped taking charity assistance.

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  • Four
    Oct 6, 2013 - 2:25AM

    @sm

    What are you rambling on about? Do you lack basic comprehension skills?

    I hate it how ET comments have become a site for right-wing conspiracy theorists from India. We liberal Pakistani’s were scared of being swamped here by our own right but instead we get the Indian one…….sigh : (

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  • Sen
    Oct 6, 2013 - 2:56AM

    @fellow Indians
    Guys why do you feel the need to comment on articles here, we all know our capabilities and achievements so why the need to tell Pakistanis about our achievements? the only respond you will get here is about toilets and poverty in India, they will not try to debate logically so its a waste of time. “Never argue with fools they will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.”

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  • Sen
    Oct 6, 2013 - 3:03AM

    @Pakhtoon
    Nearly 50% of Pakistanis too don’t have toilet facilities but Indians never will bring up that first in an arguement, its because we were brought up that way. When you have railways in your country then you will know how they operate. Just because you can point out the negatives of India doesn’t make your country a developing one, its still a failing third world country worse than India.

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  • John B
    Oct 6, 2013 - 5:22AM

    Having read all the comment, here is my take.

    I welcome PAK interest in CERN. Science should be above politics. However, the question is what is PAK going to do with the knowledge-destructive or constructive?

    PAK neighbors India and China are far ahead in the field and have a program and government policy for constructive use. What is PAK policy on nuclear research. PAK people should be clear on this aspect first, as any dividends from CERN will take a other forty years.

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  • Chacko Cherian
    Oct 6, 2013 - 10:27AM

    @Siddiqui:
    For an argument’s sake let me agree with you,India’s debt is much more than that of Pakistan.Then people should be willing to lend you more than it is for India.Why is it not happening as your own PM stated of severe lack of resources and the difficulty in obtaining loans.I think it has more to do with inherent strength of economy,its future and political stability in the country.
    As about the specific aid from Britain you may be true,as for India why should it say no to some easy money.Now you yourself might have noted that Britain plan to end it by 2015.

    Now you may take it or leave,but the world doesn’t work on your arguments.

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  • True Patriot
    Oct 6, 2013 - 10:27AM

    Don’t feed the trolls. indians are just trolls. They have no work to do thats why they come to spam our websites. Why dont you indians go back to your own news websites?

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  • indian
    Oct 6, 2013 - 10:49AM

    @Pakhtoon:
    90% of pakistanis watch porn sites.

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  • India -Mera pind
    Oct 6, 2013 - 3:32PM

    To all Pakistanis who have the uncanny habit to compare everything with India and bellitlle it….Have you heard about “HIGGS BOSONS”?..Guess rom whose name the word BOSON comes from…..hint he was an Indian Physicist …This is what the Wiki says”The name boson was coined by Paul Dirac[ to commemorate the contribution of Satyendra Nath Bose in developing, with Einstein, Bose–Einstein statistics—which theorizes the characteristics of elementary particles…That is the Indian connection to HIGGS BOSON….Ref;;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson

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  • grandfather
    Oct 6, 2013 - 3:39PM

    @Mohammed Yusuf: That is interesting because I live in Saudi Arabia and I happen to know Indian Muslims who are very pro-Pakistan. In fact, the reason they migrated out of India was because of difficulties back in their country related to their religion. Their daughters are marred to Pakistani boys from Karachi and Hyderabad, and they socialise mostly with Pakistanis. They have also admitted that they wished their ancestors had migrated from India to Pakistan.

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  • Mohsin
    Oct 6, 2013 - 11:04PM

    @Pradhan:
    India has NEVER been associate member of CERN. Don’t blindly trust Google. Have a look at wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN or the official website of CERN, you will get the member countries list.

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  • Mohammed Yusuf
    Oct 6, 2013 - 11:22PM

    @grandfather:
    Maybe that is true in Saudi and I am pretty sure the ones who marry Pakistanis are Hyderabadis from India. I have not been to Saudi, nor do I intent to visit it. If they really wish to be united with their grandfathers in Pakistan then what is stopping them from migration to the land of the pure instead of staying in India? Wasn’t Pakistan created for them?
    On the other hand, ask any educated Muslims from India and Pakistan living in UAE, Canada and the US about their opinion of Pakistan and they will say “it is a living hell”. That is the truth. Accept it.

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  • cool-Indian
    Oct 7, 2013 - 3:48AM

    Lets build South Asian Association which will deal with many kinds of Research and Development Programs.

    This will not only benefit poor people but will bring new technologies and in turn money and business to the region. We are responsible for our next generation. Unless we have our own technology, unless people are educated and unless we have peace in the region we will remain the so called poorest region of the world. So lets start thinking in positive direction…

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  • Pankaj
    Oct 7, 2013 - 9:13AM

    @Most
    lol ! CERN is Conseil Européen pour la Recherche . So in Europe they are using physice for regional co-operation and have one agency. In Asia they are using physics to make nuclear bombs to destroy or terrorise each other ! otherwise it would be CERN applying for some co-operation to an asian agency.
    With the grace of Allah it seems to be happening in india. We have already started successful launch of european satelites!

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  • laconic
    Oct 9, 2013 - 3:31AM

    Lol @ Lt gen rtd Moti Dar. Brilliant.

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  • JSM
    Oct 10, 2013 - 9:59PM

    Under CERN-DAE (Indian Department of Atomic Energy) Collaboration, ECIL (Electronics Corporation of India) supplied and commissioned at CERN breaker control modules (BCM), quench discharge local protection units (QDLPU) and quench heater power supplies (QHPS).

    What do Pakistan plan to contribute?

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