Kashmir border PHOTO: AFP/FILE
The recent ceasefire violation occurred in the Kotli area.
Armed engagement is reportedly taking place even after the prime ministers of India and Pakistan have met in New York on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session and have promised new arrangements to ensure the ceasefire agreement along the LoC holds.
On October 2, Indian military sources claimed that 30 armed militants had managed to infiltrate Kashmir from the Pakistan side.
The Inter-Services Public Relation stated that “no such thing happened at all.”
“This is a blatant lie. We totally deny this baseless allegation.”
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@Jim: As far as I know, Pakistan is still here. Actually you would be surprised at the cultural, lingual, social, and lifestyle similarities between the different ethnic groups in Pakistan, including Kashmiris, Sindhis, and Baloch. The proof is that inter-marriage between different ethnic groups is quite common in Pakistan, and in some instances even encouraged by the society due to the relevance of Islamic customs.
The Indus river is fully in Pakistan, and always has been and remains a major part of the culture of the people of Pakistan. Just because you decided to name yourself Indians after what the British called you, does not mean you have any relation to the Indus river or the greater Septa Sindhi (Indus) civilization. Religion is irrelevant to discussions on genetics. Pakistan's genetic makeup is different than India, proven by fossil evidence, skull structure, facial features, and the cultural heritage passed down through centuries.
@ Someone Why don't you use this argument to rename Indus Valley Civilization to Pakus Valley Civilization, Pakistanian Ocean etc. As for someone who asked what is common between Kashmiris and Tamils, actually there are scores of languages, dialects, ethnicities in the subcontinent, both in India and Pakistan There isn't enough in common between Kashmiris adn Sindhis or Baloch either...except a loose association with religion among a majority (most of whm were converted -- btw what religion were your ancestors before Islam came by?). But as 1971 proved, Islam wasn't a good enough glue to keep Pakistan together. The idea of India has proved more enduring than the idea of Pakistan, despite, as you guys love to fantasize, India being many nations. It is Pakistan that is going to pieces.
@Doubting Thomas: Changing one's religion does not change their blood. Are the English, Romans, Germans, Persians, Turks different races because they changed their faith? We Pakistanis are the sons of the land on which our ancestors lived. No one has more claim over it than us, their direct descendants. Religion, Dress, Culinary Taste, Music Taste, etc are irrelevant to genetics.
We are the successors to the Indus River Valley Civilization including Harrapa, Mohenjo-daro, and Mehrgarh., Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
@Indra: This is not history, but mythology and superstition. It is not even worth responding to.
@Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan: Except that Mohenjodaro and Harrappa fell in a nuclear irradiation 6000 years ago, during the Mahabharata War and the Scythian Sakas occupied it. Where does the word Kashmiree come from?off course Ancestor Kashyappa. Why you are you and thus not us? Kashyappa had two wives - Diti(jealous wife) and Aditi(true wife). Diti bore the demons(From your Land all the way to Europe) , Aditi ancestored the Dharmic peoples(Bharata). Diti's demonic race rebelled from the original way and gave birth to Zorastrianism(Monotheism) & animal blood sacrifice, Schism when As(H)ura becomes God for the Demons , wherein in India, Asura is the Demon and Diti is the cursed child of violence and will forever attack the Children of Aditi and thus have no Codes of Honour in War, Tribal Bedouins beyond any description.Thus it was written and thus it shall be...till the end of time.Keep dreaming, you are a Muslim and a Scythian.You might be Sons of the Soil, but the wrong kinds of sons. Your original homeland is the Hindukush Mountains - Three Mleccha races live there ( Gandharvas - Qandaharis), Sakas(Now occupying Sindh Pakistan), Kambojas (Now occupying Punjab Pakistan). These Mleccha Shudras are not to be touched as they do not have code of war, do not offer oblations to ancestors and now have split tons of blood in the Vedic Indus(as prophesied in Mahabharata). You will teach us about our History? silly..you can or cannot accept the ancient laws, not that somebody cares.
@Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan
Converts, all over the world are looked down upon for a good reason. They are without exception, over-zealous, to abuse, to run-down, to ridicule the religion, the culture, the tradition and everything else associated with their ancestors before they converted.
Too much obsession with something (in any form) is a psychiatric problem called "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder' . I didn't know our neighboring country has a quite a few people with this syndrome. (pun intended)
@Indra: Stop your hatred against rival ethnic groups out of jealousy. As proven by archeological evidence, Pakistanis are sons of the soil and descendants of the Indus River Valley Civilization, so do not conflate history with your extremist Hindu ideology. India/Bharat/Hindustan is based on the Ganges river and a completely foreign civilization to Pakistan. You try to take all the achievements and civilization of Pakistan and try to appropriate it to yourself, while denying our lineage. Go educate yourself. By the way, Kashmir's name is from Ka-shameeri, an ancient word. Harrappa, Mohenjo-daro, Mehrgarh are all prehistoric sites more than 7,000 years old in Pakistan today.
How shamefully and shamelessly Indian born conscienceless Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif is seeing all the LoC's violations and killings of innocent people on LoC by Indian troops silently and just emphasizing on peace talks and Aman Ki Aasha with India and facing the baseless allegations of Indian government against Pakistan,Pakistan army and ISI......
@saad: Actually the Central Asians where the masters of Scythians(Sakas), thats why we(Aryas) are we and you are you..just a Scyth.
@Asif: India comes from the Indus, its part of the Vedic people or the Sapta Sindhu. Just because , a few (Sakas/Scythians/Outclasses) occupied the Indus, it doesn't mean "Pakistan". That is why your nation is called Pakistan and the culture is always associated with India, not you. Secondly, what relations do ethnicity have? in our ancient learning, Vivaswat Manu(descendant of the Sun) was from the land of Dravida(Tamil Nadu), he ancestored India & the world...including all the Gotras(Clan Lines) and that Includes the Gotra of Kashyappa, which means the land of Kashmir, speciation and geographical progression!! Go learn Darwin lol. Bharata is thus not understood by mere Bedouins, but by us.What can a person who doesnt know his own ancestor be qualified to speak about?.
@Jim: And for 6000 years 'India' was a name given to you by foreigners. It was a convenient term for the whole subcontinent. Do you know what India means by the way? You will come to know that even the name you give to your identity is named after a river and region that constitutes your "pimple" neighbour. Alas, they don't teach that in your school curriculum. India was never a nation, it was joined by colonials and the British from different countries. Have you ever wondered what link there is between a Kashmiri and southern Tamil? Genetically, culturally, linguistically, there is no link, it's like comparing Japanese and Mexicans. As somebody said, India is artificial.
@Raj: India does not have a larger Muslim population than Pakistan, in fact it has fallen far behind. Latest sources will show that Pakistan is the 2nd largest Muslim nation in the world. Even if India has a large Muslim population, it does not really matter because India's influence in the Muslim world is almost zero and India does not have any representation in the OIC. Neither does India have strong relations with any of the Muslim countries. In Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries, Pakistan has had military bases with the full consent of the countries' leaders. Can India even think about having a military presence in Middle East?
@Jim: Before 1947, there was no such country called "India". The subcontinent was a huge land mass of different provinces, princely states and kingdoms. India was a name given to this land mass by foreigners. After 1947, the subcontinent became divided and Pakistan and what you now call the "Republic of India" emerged on the map. Before 1947, the term 'India' referred to the subcontinent, the associating of that name with the modern country is an artificial nomenclature. For all that matters, India could have officially been named Bharat or by any other name, as it is not the exclusive successor of the historical name 'India'. India in its present shape (an artificial amalgamation of 30 different nations) is not a successor of the historical subcontinent by any means.
@daddy secondly we are proud to be Muslims what ever saudi's call us.@ Raj well i don't know whats your point is but as for the sects of Shia and ahmedis, Shia are consider to be muslims all over the world but not Ahmedis no muslim country in the world accept Ahmedis as muslims ( except india which is not a muslim country and is secular) and as i said india is secular we are not. And shia makes only 9% of pakistan population and ahmedis 2% so your saying of 25% is not correct. Pakistan consider shia to be our muslims brothers. Thinking of some people doesn't make the thinking of whole of Pakistan so your saying of Pakistan doesn't consider shia to be not muslims is totally baseless.
@daddy hahahahhah i read this in the history books when i was in vienna and study in american school hahahahhah maybe they teaching u in your hindus temple that muslims never ruled us and hindus were the master of india lmao so hindus forgot about Mughuls hahahah who used to ruled all over india and delhi and agra was their capital haha muslims build taj mahal and red fort whom u guys are so proud off, i advice you to read some unbiased history not your pandit made history books, Ranjit Singh ruled after british came and Muhgul empire was broken. and before Mughuls, Ghazni used to rule of india and before that bin Qasim. first read some international made history books then your guys will know who ruled u for 1000 years.
@someone Somehow the "artificial" state has survived for 6000 years by the same name (Bharat or India). It has also given its name to a civilization and an ocean. And also a pimple called Pakistan. But all this will be too hard for you to understand after being brainwashed by "Pakistan studies."
@saad: Tell me logically and factually if India is more of a muslim country than Pakistan or is Pakistan more of a muslim country than India. Pakistan may call itself "Islamic Republic" and also name its Capital "Islamabad" . However it is a fact, that India has 25% more muslims than in Pakistan. The population of entire Pakistan and the muslim population in India is almost the same. If you leave out 25% of the population of Pakistan who are shias and ahmedis and therefore not considered as muslims by Pakistanis themselves, India has more muslim population as all sects of islam are considered muslims in India. They are considered so not just by the government but by the entire muslim and non-muslim population of India.
@saad: hahaha...Is this what they have been teaching you in your Madrassa's..eh? FYI the region where Pakistan is today was used to be ruled by Maharaja Ranjit Singh up until arrival of British(mid 18th Century). And isn't it correct that Saudi's call you Pakistanis as CONVERTS!!! LMAO
This shelling is not done by the Indian Army but Azad Kashmiri freedom struggle, peoples liberation army of rasoogloola. Utterly baseless lie.
I support peace. but I also support modi as well.
I support peace. but I also support modi also
@Someone: first read history man then come to comment. you have lack of minimal GK.and one thing don't get education on your local syllabus follow standard one.
@Someone If Bharat had not existed, your Pakistan would have never come into existence. And Bangladesh :D
@Jim: Yet the biggest blatant lies of all is the creation of the artificial state whom we call Bharat, and that Kashmir is an integral part of this artificial country.
@suzo: Yes watch out when Modi Come our "obsessed with Indian Toilets Neighbor" Of all the Things about India you will talk about toilets , speaks volumes about ur aims in life. lol
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Funny how the Indian trolls changed the subject. LoC violation is what this is about... and while Pakistan is blamed for extending an arm for friendship while simultaneously backstabbing ... its the Indian army that's doing the exact thing.
On 30th Sept and 2nd Oct I was looking on this web site to see if there is any news like this since, On Indian News Pakistan was violating LOC siege fire agreement. Finally it came on news.
The shelling was done by non-state actors.
Among other "blatant lies" and "baseless allegations" -- Pakistan did not infiltrate Kargil, Pakistan has not proliferated nuclear technology, Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri are not in Pakistan, Dawood Ibrahim is not in Pakistan, India is stealing Pakistan's water, Pakistan won all its wars against India, Pakistan is a peaceful nation wanting to co-exist with its neighbors, Pakistan does not interfere in Afghanistan etc etc
“This is a blatant lie. We totally deny this baseless allegation.” hahaahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahah.......love this line....LOL :D
ISI is most truthful organisation in the world............
wait and see what happens when terrorist modi comes in power in our 'super power with outdoor toilets' neighbour! Hope ET will not censor my opinion!
Well truth will be written by retd. Army general in future like Kargil