According to Mani, the charge was levelled by Verma on June 22 while questioning him about the two home ministry affidavits in the alleged encounter case. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
In a shocking disclosure a former officer of the Indian home ministry has alleged that Indian government had orchestrated the two high-profile terrorist attacks which New Delhi has blamed on Pakistan-based militant groups.
According to India’s Times of India (TOI) newspaper, RVS Mani, who as home ministry under-secretary signed the affidavits submitted in court in the Ishrat Jahan ‘fake encounter case’, has said that Satish Verma, until recently a part of the Central Bureau of Investigation-SIT probe team, told him that both the 2001 attack on Indian parliament and the 2008 Mumbai attacks were set up “with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)”.
Mani has said that Verma “... narrated that the 13/12/2001 (attack on parliament) was followed by Pota (Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act) and 26/11/2008 (terrorists’ siege of Mumbai) was followed by amendment to the UAPA (Unlawful Activities Prevention Act).”
The official has alleged Verma levelled the damaging charge while debunking Intelligence Bureau (IB)’s inputs labelling the three killed with Ishrat in the June 2004 encounter as Lashkar terrorists.
Contacted by TOI, Verma refused to comment. “I cannot speak to the media on such matters. Ask the CBI,” said the Gujarat cadre Indian Police Service (IPS) officer.
According to Mani, the charge was levelled by Verma on June 22 while questioning him about the two home ministry affidavits in the alleged encounter case. In his letter to the joint secretary in the urban development ministry, he accused Verma of ‘coercing’ him into signing a statement ‘at odds with the facts as he knew them’. He said Verma wanted him to sign a statement saying that the home ministry’s first affidavit in the Ishrat case was drafted by two IB officers.
Gujarat Police had justified the encounter citing an IB report which claimed that the three killed in the Ishrat case were Pakistani nationals and part of a Lashkar module which had reached Gujarat to target the state’s chief minister Narendra Modi.
In its first affidavit, filed in August 2009, the home ministry too cited the IB report and objected to a CBI probe into the ‘encounter’. However, in its second affidavit, filed in September 2009, the ministry said the IB input did not constitute conclusive proof and supported the demand for a CBI probe.
According to Mani, Verma disputed IB’s input saying the home ministry’s first affidavit was actually drafted by IB officer Rajinder Kumar, who looked after IB’s operations in Gujarat at the time of the ‘Ishrat encounter’ and now runs the serious risk of being charge-sheeted by CBI.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 15th, 2013.
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@Kamran Paracha: Is there a single interview of kasab being published on TV .. what are you saying .. stop spreading lies.
no matter one day there will a news, bruning of train boggi in Godhara, Gujrath in feb.2002 was internal indian govt. headed by narender modi. Jago India jago
@Pakistan: I guess everybody knows which country is the terrorist hub.
@Rawalpindi Man:
As a Pakistani, I salute your efforts and enthusiasm. we saw in-depth analysis, with motivation and clarity. Much needed..much appreciated!
@Ek Tha Kashmiri: It justify that he was a pure hindu and an agent wearing a Muslim mask but couldn't control his senses at the time of injuries and spoke the truth. He said that "Baghwan will not forgive me" means that he killed his own people for which his lord will not forgive him. lol Question: Why would a Pakistani Muslim ask help or forgiveness from Baghwan. : )
I would like to urge the people of India to open your eyes and stand against your army and agencies.
India is state terrorist country. The state itself is sponsoring terrorist activities and killing their own people and putting blame on innocent Pakistanis. Hafiz Saeed was dam right that if the indians believe that he is involved than give the evidence and he will make himself accountable. The Samjotha express terror attack sponsored by the indian government and then this 26/11. amazing... I would ask the indian people who have little humanity then accept this and stand against your own dirty agencies.
Finally truth revealed.
@Ek Tha Kashmiri: It justifies that Ajmal Kasab was seeing lot of Hindi movies :)
It's easy to see why conspiracy theories are so popular in Pakistan eh?
Ajmal Kasab last words:"Baghwan will not forgive me".What it justify?
According to reliable sources, Satish Verma who had previously an immaculate service record has been behaving crazily for the past few months and coming up with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. The reason appears to be a very unhappy marriage and his wife and children leaving him abruptly a couple of months back gave a big jolt to this officer. The officer after this incident was generally found drunk during office hours, also believed to be taking drugs and behaving irrationally is being investigated.
@maz3tt: Even though Pakistan is resisting to give the voice samples of Hafiz Saeed to India, the Pakistan's Federal Investigating Agency (FIA) is actively involved in the investigation of 26/11 Mumbai attacks case in Pakistan and has already corroborated substantial evidence found by both India and FBI. The Pakistan's Federal Investigating Agency (FIA) has already charge sheeted as many as 29 people in the 26/11 case.
Here is the link which shows the evidence found by Pakistan's Federal Investigating Agency (FIA) [a Big Thank You] in 26/11 Mumbai attacks
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Voice-samples-match-26-11-intercepts-says-Pakistan/Article1-986393.aspx
I am so sorry for all the shameful and false allegation my government put on Pakistan. All of my Indian brothers should accept the truth. If a statement from Geo TV can prove that Kasab was Pakistani then why the statement on a high Indian official becomes conspiracy theory? We should not have double standards.
Regards An Embarrassed and Ashamed ordinary Indian
You Say India did it, Yes India did it, It me Vikram is saying so... what difference it will make? In Pakistani Court there is a case going on, international perception is not going to change by this A said B told him so thing.
@huzaifa: "I am missing all my Indian brothers including the most Pak hater THE POLPOT!" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Madam I am a Pakistani at heart. When I used to board a taxi in dubai driven by a Pakistani and open my mouth the driver would ask me if I am from Karchi or Lahore. Pls dont break my heart by terming me as Pak Hater.
Being a regular reader, I thought that a paper like yours is reliable to know the truth. To report with such a heading the bickering between two disgruntled elements of a department is pathetic. If you think that thousands of pages of evidence will be nullified by such reports, you have every right to live in a fool's paradise!
@Steven
Pakistan has rejected it. http://tribune.com.pk/story/360652/hafiz-saeed-evidence-handed-over-to-pakistan-sm-krishna/
@maz3tt: India has already shared audio transcripts and dossiers detailing the evidence against Hafiz Saeed and others during the 26/11 Mumbai attacks to Pakistan. India has been continuously demanding Pakistan the voice samples of Hafeez Saeed and other handlers whose conversations were intercepted while the attack unfolded, but Pakistan has so far refused to provide them to India. The ball lies in Pakistan's court!!!
@Procastinator
orchestrated or not , from the start the problem here is that there are many looses ends. there is not a picture just loose ends here and there. his accent is a big give away. If you people would atleast used a real Pakistani in the attack and then caught him and if he had spoken. then that would have been more convincing. just a tip for the future.
imagine so much planning, money, time spent and lives lost just to nail Pakistan, the greatest nation on the face of the earth. What did India lose by orchestrating the Mumbai attacks? Nothing is the answer. But it definitely brought bad name to Pakistan which had everything going for it:)
I am really enjoying this blame game.
@Steven
then why are you reluctant to share it with Pakistan. they don't have any face value?, Pakistan has time and again ask for evidence against hafeez saeed . where is it?
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@Rawalpindi man,
Bravo man, way to display the extent of brainwashing you guys go through in land of pure.
The fact that you have rebutted internationally accepted finding with Pakistani conspiracy theories just vindicated my stand when I wrote
A state where people ask thier own current prime minister for provide proofs when he speaks of the fact and accept a statement from a no body sitting in enemy country as gospel truth speaks plenty about the mindset.
Thanks for pray for sanity and as of logic you still have long way to go. take a free advise keep praying and thinking.
@kala_bacha: Every day suiside attack,target killing , bomb blast, minority killing ,TTP,Lashkar-e-tayyaba, world's largest terror sanctuaries like Afgan-Pak border.......................yeah..,you all know this from the very first day.
why was Ajmal Kasab not given access to Pakistan when Mr Rehman Malik time and again asked for it?
India has strong forensic evidence of the involvement of Pakistani nationals in Mumbai attacks which has been corroborated by many international investigation agencies. It is in Pakistan's interest to act strongly against terror that have base in Pakistan.Good Luck....
Here's a dead giveaway...did the attackers shake their heads from side to side every time they received instructions or said something?..
Now this headline should go down as Joke of the millinium!!
Nothing new, since we all knew from the very first day that its an inside job. An eye opener for all innocent Indians. PEACE!!
Can someone please provide me the link in TOI, where this news is found! I did search the TOI archive for 12th/13th and 14th July' 2013. May be I missed it.
@Shazman John: Its dangerous news that is obviously being underreported elsewhere for a reason. Its anti-government. Its not about being fooled into believing false revelations, its about setting the record straight. Honestly, we as Pakistanis have nothing to cheer about. Our government is nearly as unethical as theirs.
I am disappointed that such high quality newspaper such has ET gives such prominence to this article. There is so much evidence pointing to both the Mumbai and Indian Parliaments as having originated from here in Pakistan. As they say extraordinary claims demands extraordinary evidence. Mr Mani seems to be seems disgruntled Indian government official. If his claims had any substance they would make headlines throughout the world. Do you see anything in the New York Times or The Times of London or Le Figaro ? The golden rule of journalism is to check your facts. This makes subcontinental journalism both Pakistani and Indian look bad. Sadly the consequence of all this is to make our conspiracy machine go on over drive.
I think Indians believe their government more than Pakistani's as they elected theirs. Hence the absence of conspiracy theory. Pakistani citizens think only in terms of conspiracy theory instead of facts on the ground. Its always others fault that something wrong happens in Pakistan even if the perpetrators them self claim that they did it. So it might be difficult for Indians to understand Pakistani mindset.
atleast there are honest people in India who speak the truth..what about Pakistan...Karachi, December 14 An unprecedented massacre of innocent citizens takes place in Qasba Colony, Aligarh Colony and Sector 1-D of Orangi in the early hours of the morning as several hundred marauders open fire on residents with Kalashnikovs and 7mm rifles, setting fire to homes in the area. The police refuse to intervene...why?killing continued from ealy morning till 4 pm.then killing in Quetta...from where these killer are getting support?
@deep: You really couldn't do better than hasty smears? You have no ability to actually refute with facts what Mubasher Lucman said in his program. The most you can do is wallow in forced laughter and cheap allegations. And Yes, Doordarshan IS funding Geo's program Aman Ki Asha, go open up the Media Commission Report and see for yourself.
Guys calm down. The evidence of 26/11 , nicluding the few 26/11 masterminds and the 10 attackers from Paksitan, speak for themselves. Regarding this news, its one employee of Home ministry, who is fighting court-case against CBI ,alleging that a CBI employee , who is investigating the Home Ministry employee , said that. The reason, India wanted to enact anti-terrorism laws !!! This is just mud-slinging between two employees of two departments.
To my Pakistani friends, trying to discredit slaying of 166 people over three days in Taj Mumbai when whole India and the whole world watched in horror on CNN and BBC is not a very endearing way to have lasting peace.
I can quote hundreds of conspiracy theories floating in Pakistan about everything and everything. But the point here is how do we heal the wounds so we begin our journey towards a better tomorrow for both countries.
This is certainly not the way. Request all sane people to atleast acknowledge that there is a problem. Giving in to the temptation of riding on to isolated cases of lunacy is just chipping away the emaciated shell that is only just beginning to form over the horrendous act.
Isn't it strange that Pakistan is the only country reacting to these 'revelations'? Dumb nation being taken for a ride?
My dear Pakistani friends - Here are some facts -
1.Mani - "has said that Satish Verma, until recently a part of the Central Bureau of Investigation-SIT probe team, told him that both the 2001 attack on Indian parliament and the 2008 Mumbai attacks were set up “with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)”. 1. Mani has said that Verma “… narrated that the 13/12/2001 (attack on parliament) was followed by Pota (Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act) and 26/11/2008 (terrorists’ siege of Mumbai) was followed by amendment to the UAPA (Unlawful Activities Prevention Act).”
Now, we all know there are issues between co-workers - these 2 individuals are levelling charges against each other - what better way to malign an individual (in the intelligence worforce) than to project him as an anti-government conspiricy theorist. Chill guys - Its a he said she said - high school stuff - India Pakistan have better things to do - lets work together to help the poor, educate the masses and lead a prosperous life - these are just stupid side show's... A peacenik from Canada (I am Indian - for the record)...thank you.
I just watched a hilarious programme called khara sachh where the moderator mubashir lucman blasted everyone sensible in Pakistan as being Indian agents. And yes there was talk that poor doordarshan was funding someone in Pakistan. And of course I heard the bhagwan pleas from kasab. Amused. Is this another fake wikileaks in the making I wonder because our own Arnab of times now or NDTV have not thought this story worth picking up and all day long they spoke about some useless comment by Modi. Or maybe these channels have been purchased by RAW.
One hundred percent BCCI Plan. After losing to Pakistan all the time in cricket and also losing girls like Sania to Pakistani cricketers, BCCI, who are so well organized, had a 10-year plan to malign Pakistan. The Parliament attack, the Mumbai attack, and the attack on Sri Lanakan cricket team were all part of this strategy.
Watch out - Indians are pretty smart, well-organized, and have a very long-term plan. Don't mess around with them.
How can Pakistanis let Indians steal credit for both the events?
Charge labeled by a Government of India officer should be taken seriously by Nawaz Sharif and Man Mohan Singh governments. To me it looks like a conspiracy to sabotage Nawaz Sharif policy for friendly relation with India. There are people on both sides of border who can not digest peace in the subcontinent. Since the news has come from India it is prime and urgent responsibility of government of India to give its view point on this important issue. If the matter is not cleared immediately, it will be almost impossible for Nawaz Sharif to conclude Amen Ki Asha. Before jumping to conclusion Pakistan Media should restrain, send investigating journalists to India to get real story. Also it is requested that important politicians of opposition parties should not give hasty statement..
@Rawalpindi Man "1. No plethora of evidence, in fact no evidence at all
Did he ever present evidence upon which he said that? He never even said Ajmal was a Pakistani, he said that if Ajmal is a Pakistani then the Pakistani government should admit it. Big difference"THEN WHY PAKISTAN ACCEPTED THAT NON STATE "PAKISTANI" ACTORS WERE INVOLVED???? I THINK YOU HAVE STARTED YOUR SO CALLED LOGICAL CLAIMS ON A RATHER ILLOGICAL NOTE.....
@Rawalpindi man "Calm down, you and your country have been exposed yet again, now no amount of defensive lashing out on your part will help you. Procrastinator: On the one side you have: 1. No plethora of evidence, in fact no evidence at all"
really?? well i think mumbai attack was one of the very few attacks where evidences was in ample...do you think the 10 terrorists involved in attack were from mars? and even one of them was caught alive which is rare in terrorist attacks..but i really felt bad when kasab narrated his whole story specially how poor his family was....what about headly and rana ? remember both are convicted in foreign courts......i wonder why family of american victims have dragged ISI and hafiz saeed.....i also wonder why countries like america and israel who lost their citizens could not found out india's involvement despite their superior agencies like CIA and MOSSAD....
I am not sure who Ajmal Kasab was but in his interview he said "Bhaagwan mujhay kabee maaf nahi karay ga" (God will never forgive me) and also had an accent that I have never heard in any part of Pakistani Punjab. Furthermore he used a few words/terms that are specific to the Hindi spoken around Hyderabad (Indian Hyderabad). If we even assume he was Pakistani he must have been living in India most of his adult life to speak like he did.
@Procastinator: You are destroying your own credibility by calling my responses Pakistani conspiracy theory because it just shows your own petty insecurity, that was just a very very weak substitute for an actually rational and logical reply.
I dare you to prove to me how the points I made in my response were Pakistani conspiracy theories instead of actual established facts.
I DARE YOU!!!
@indian student: Read my below reply very carefully:
In 2004 Afzal Guru was sentenced to death for the attack on the Indian parliament. In every case in every court whenever the judge gives out his verdict, he gives a long speech called his "decision" in which he outlines and explains why he is giving his chosen verdict. The judge who pronounced his death sentence for Afzal Guru very specifically and explicitly made it clear in his "decision" that he found ZERO evidence against Afzul Guru but was sentencing him to death anyway because he needed to satisfy the "public conscience" of the Indian public which was demanding that SOMEBODY has to be punished for the attack on the Indian parliament, guilty or not. Go read the records and files of Afzal Guru's trial if you aren't satisfied. Or if you can't do even that, then 2 minutes of a simple Google search will prove to you that even the Indian supreme court admitted that Afzal Guru was INNOCENT.
Now do you understand?
Now Ram Gopal Verma Has a new script for his new movie... : The attacks by India on Hindustan:
@csmann: yes,,ur right,,!!!!,,truth will prevail
@Rawalpindi man: what u said,,,,,"""AFZAL GURU WAS INNOCENT"",,,i think u r innocent,,,in ur view,,,blood lusts like afzal guru,,hafeez saeed,,ajmal kasab,,,these r all innocents,,ha ha,,i think finally what i was concluded was u have some love for indians,,,i.e afzal guru belongs to OUR,,OUR,,OUR ,,KASHMIR,,,,!!!!!!
Rising & Shining India !!
@ Rawalpindi man
My own words are doing a thousand echos in my ears at the moment.
I don’t want to write more. because if even after reading the above doesn’t make anyone think with Logic, nothing would.
The fact that you have rebutted internationally accepted facts with Pakistani conspiracy theories, vindicates my above statement.
@robinhoodpandey: Calm down, you and your country have been exposed yet again, now no amount of defensive lashing out on your part will help you.
Procrastinator: On the one side you have: 1. No plethora of evidence, in fact no evidence at all 2. Against not a single one of which India could present evidence 3. That bounty was for anyone who could produce evidence against that could be admissible in a court of law. That bounty still stands because nobody has so far produced any such evidence even though India insists it already had more than enough evidence to get him convicted right from the day the attacks took place. This is a point that goes in Pakistan's favor, not India's. 4. The Media Commission Report has exposed Geo TV gets its funding from abroad, and its program Aman Ki Asha is directly funded by Indian state media Doordarshan 5. Relevance? 6. He also said the ISI was NOT involved in the Mumbai attacks, and right when he said that the Indian media immediately started attacking his credibility 7. Go and re-read what really happened in his case. He was acquitted of any involvement in Mumbai but was convicted of an aborted terrorist attack on Denmark 8. Rehman Malik also said your wanted Abu Jandal, deported by Saudi Arabia, was working for Indian intelligence agencies. He said that in an interview to NDTV while he was in India for a SAARC interior ministers conference 9. Did he ever present evidence upon which he said that? He never even said Ajmal was a Pakistani, he said that if Ajmal is a Pakistani then the Pakistani government should admit it. Big difference. 10. He deserved sacking because he broke the rules instead of letting the government first look at all the evidence (or more accurately, the lack of it) that India had before it could reach a judgement. This doesn't change the fact that India constantly stonewalled every Pakistani attempt to independently investigate the Mumbai attacks on its own. 11. China never supported India. Wikileaks confirmed that China said India has provided insufficient evidence to support its case.
And on the other hand you have: 1. A complete confirmation on who carried out the Mumbai attacks. This is the only definite Yes Or No confirmation on who was responsible for it.
We also have: 1. India has a history of carrying out terrorist attacks on itself then blaming them on Pakistan (Samjhauta Express) 2. India's own interior minister admitted the existence of Hindu terrorist training camps run by BJP (India's lead opposition party who has ruled the country twice) and RSS (who has intimate ties to RAW and the Indian military establishment). 3. India withdrew its list of most-wanted terrorists it said were in Pakistan until some turned up in India, one of them from inside a jail at a Mumbai police station! 4. RAW and Indian media said 7 Pakistani terrorists have entered Mumbai to launch terrorist attacks. Hours later they turned up at a shopping mall in Lahore giving an interview to a Pakistani talk show 5. India hanged an innocent man named Afzal Guru for the Indian parliament attack just to satisfy the "public conscience" even though the judge admitted he found no evidence against him 6. India blamed the Gujarat pogroms on the ISI until Narendra Modi turned out to be the perpetrator and he still not only remains a free man but in fact is running for Prime Minister in next year's election!!!
Yes Procrastinator, you've made me thing with a lot of logic, and just like you I also pray that sanity prevails.
Dear Express Tribune, it is my humble request that you please publish my comment, if you are willing to publish comments by Indians hurling allegations at Pakistan, then I hope you will also allow a Pakistani to answer those allegations and defend his country against what is clear slander. Thank you.
The people who normally ask for the solid proof are now more than convinced by a statement which refers to a hearsay. Now the conspiracy-theory-hungry enthusiasts can have a feast.
So here is the equation
on one side we have - a plethora of evidence - terrorists under arrest in Pakistan( voice sample of the same people), - 10m bounty on LET chief Hafeez Saeed - Geo Tv confirming that Ajmal was pakistani, - TTP, Let, JuD wowing to avenge Kasab's hangling. - David Headly in US confirming India's stand - Tahawwur Hussain Rana in Canada confirming India's stand, - Rehman Malik's Blabbering, - Nawaz Sharif confirmation of Ajmal being a Pakistani. - National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durani sacking for saying that Kasab is a Pakistani national. - All world leaders(including China) supporting India stand on this issue.
On the other hand we have - A so called Mr. Mani claiming to be an inside job.
I don't want to write more. because if even after reading the above doesn't make anyone think with Logic, nothing would.
May be sanity prevails.
It's no longer considered a "conspiracy theory" when a senior officer of a govt investigating agency makes a statement like that. Verma obviously needs to be questioned further by the CBI to establish the truth .. not to clear Pakistan's involvement but for the ''small" matter of the lives lost in those horrific events. If the allegations are true, irrespective of cultural or religious affliations, it will go down as a heinous act by the Indian government, that too against those it is sworn to protect, demonstrating the ugliest face of political schema. If similar news ever officially breaks out about the 9/11 attacks, Im gonna quit on life, move into a cave and enter a state of perpetual estrangement from this deceitful deceitful world.
Pakistanis will jump up and down if Mr, Verma says that the Karachi killings are done by him.
I am missing all my Indian brothers including the most Pak hater THE POLPOT! i would have love to listen some witty remarks about this orchestrated terror strikes on own people by India.
@Kamran Paracha "This is shameful for our Government who gave in to the allegations. I had always thought that Ajmal Kasab during his Video interview did not sound like a Pakistani, let alone Punjab"
you should not blame your govt because it had rejected pakistans involvement at first.....but at the face of growing evidences and world pressure, it had to accept the involvement IN ORDER TO AVOID FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT IN INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY... and so far ajmal kasabs accent is concerned then talk to any indian then you will realise that his accent was not a typical indian accent at all.....
@Reality check "But here both A and B represent the home mininstry top rank officials of india, they are not average Joe on the streets of delhi"
and what if tomorrow both A and B (your only and most dependable evidences) will deny that they ever made these statments...what will you do then? what if they will in return blame pakistan for uttarakhand flood...will you still believe them?
dream on ,like always;the whole world knows the truth;neither indian media , nor the government considered it worth to even acknowledge it.Nor the world media gives it a damn.But it sure is worth a consumption in Pakistan
Where's the war???? :(
@DrAzizWah "Will GOP react to this. They should but they wont."
because governments dont/shouldnt react on conspiracy theoris......
@Nadir
"Will Pakistan be allowed to play in IPL now?"
nothing has changed NOW.....so i believe not now
@sick of this nonsense
"hope this is a reminder to the media to stay patriotic and reserve their opinion until concrete facts are given"
same goes for you
@Safi Ahmed "Why else do you think the attackers were wearing Saffron bands and had purely Indian accents?"
its not that hard to understand if you come out of your conspiracy thoeries.....mumbai attack was a sophisticated attack..biggest in indian history.....terrorist planned well for everything...they wore saffron bonds to mislead the agencies.....and do you remember a person who was staying in saudi on pakistani visa but saudis deported him to india despite pakistans protest?...he was the one who taught accent to all the terrorists....and listening to kasab,you can say that he does not have PURE INDIAN ACCENT AT ALL....
@ sick of this nonsense
I appreciate your thought. You have stated every word correctly.
@kala_bacha "Not even the breasking news, as we all Pakistani knows this from very first day."
like you pakistani also knew that OBL operation was false from very first day..
most of us Pakistanis had a gut feeling we did not have a hand in it however that does not absolve us of the fact that there really are some terrorists cells here in Pakistan, after this revelation we should not just sit back and wash our hands off our problems, we should tackle those cells no matter they orchestrated the Indian attacks or not. Secondly the Indian media jumped on the bandwagon and pointed fingers at Pakisan even though the general Pakistan public were sympathetic to the lives lost and our government offered condolences where as our media too lit fuel to the fire of Indian allegations, hope this is a reminder to the media to stay patriotic and reserve their opinion until concrete facts are given.
@csmann:
But here both A and B represent the home mininstry top rank officials of india, they are not average Joe on the streets of delhi.
This is shameful for our Government who gave in to the allegations. I had always thought that Ajmal Kasab during his Video interview did not sound like a Pakistani, let alone Punjabi
@Brookeside: Not really, we did not do it.
A says B said such and such,and that makes it the truth. The evidence is glaring enough for the truth to be seen by the world.
@Lala Gee: Comment from my favourite Lalaji ) , of course Pakistanis already knew about all this and also know about many more such future attacks . Nobody needs to implicate Pakistan in anything, It is already very deep inside such things when it choose to send jihadis to fight Russia in Afghanistan since late 70's and in Kashmir .
i heard the breaking news from express and geo early morning Sunday. but after that nothing!. i wonder why it is that..
nothing startling or new in the new for most of the sensible people in Pakistan.
Most Pakistanis already knew these two incidents, Indian Parliament and Bombay attacks, were false flag operations staged by the Indian agencies themselves to implicate Pakistan in order to take advantage of the prevailing environment after 9/11 incident. However, the total absence of Indian commentators, who usually flock in folds to news related with India, is quite stunning.
Will Pakistan be allowed to play in IPL now?
Let's see, how the Indians come up with that it's a conspiracy theory.
And trust me, No matter whosoever again acclaims that it was India itself, the Indian readers of ET will come up with such arguments that everybody will be perplexed again.
Waiting impatiently for the cyber-war below!!
Will GOP react to this. They should but they wont.
Hardly a 'startling' revelation, but glad to see that our suspicions are at least being confirmed.
Why else do you think the attackers were wearing Saffron bands and had purely Indian accents?
Now that, is what I call, "such an Indian thing to do"
Not even the breaking news....
Not even the breasking news, as we all Pakistani knows this from very first day.