Jinnah was a part of his father’s name: Jinabhai Poonja, who named him Mohamed Ali, which could also be written in the Ismaili style: Mohamedali. (Fatima Jinnah fondly called him Mamed.) In The Shaping of Gujarat: Plurality, Hindutva and Beyond (Penguin, 2005), it is noted that Jina was a common name among Gujaratis and also among Muslims who started settling in Gujarat in the 12th century. Many Muslims (Bohra, Khoja, Memon) included local converts, all claiming to be from the Lohana Rajput tribe.
The book also records the rise of Jainism in Gujarat under the Rajput dynasty of the Chalukiya (AD 942-1299), many of this faith rising to high ranks and counted among the tradesmen shaped by the only port, Surat, on the western coast of India. Ismaili-Bohra scholar Asghar Ali Engineer once told me that Ismaili-Musta’ali Muslims called themselves Bohra after they were well treated by a local Gujarati ruler named Vohra.
Jinnah’s Poonja family had its origin in Gujarat and could have grown to admire the non-violent Jains also called Jinas. In Maneka Gandhi’s book of Hindu names, a dozen names starting with Jina are all identified as of Jain origin, meaning victorious. Jinnah’s father was named Jinabhai.
Pythagoras (570–495 BC) is a pre-Socratic Ionian (today’s Turkey) thinker who betrayed strong ascetic influence only known in India. Legend has it that he travelled from Ionia to Egypt, then to Babylon, before going to India where he met the living Jina saint — naked because he was Digambara (sky-clad) rather than Svetambara (white-clad). He was converted to the ahimsa faith. Alexander, too, met the same Jina naked philosophers when he came to India. (Junagadh, which is now in Gujarat, means Greek City.) Gandhi, the great Gujarati leader, too, embraced ahimsa as his political creed.
One should note that Jina is from the root ‘jai’, which means ‘victory’ in Hindi. ‘Jina’, therefore, means ‘victor’. It is interesting that the concept of victory in Sanskrit is linked to survival of the winner rather than the death of his enemy. Jina also means ‘to live’. The greatest scholar of Indo-European word roots, Joseph Shipley, linked the English word victory to survival through victuals (food), which sustains life.
Pythagoras means Apollo’s court. But thereby hangs a tale. The Oracle of Delphi — Apollo’s oracle — was built around a process of divination on the rotten bones of a snake by a prostitute. One must remember that the Greek ‘y’ is actually the English ‘u’. The ‘pyth’ in Pythagoras is actually ‘puth’.
It comes from the Greek puthein (to rot). This Greek word has given us many derivatives, some of them quite strange. Jospeh Shipley comes up with the Indo-European root ‘pu’, which is close to ‘bu’ of Persian, meaning rotten smell, and French ‘pue’ means to smell badly. Greek puon and Latin word pus (also English) gives rise to putrid and pyorrhea, the bad smell that comes from rotten teeth.
The divining prostitute was called pythia. (One snake is today named python.) She symbolised nature’s fertility. Robert Graves thought the cult had come from India. Today, Italian for prostitute is putta and the French word for it is putain. (The French are careful not to write the name of the Russian president, Putin as it is, because of its phonetic similarity with putain; they write it Poutine.)
Published in The Express Tribune, October 3rd, 2012.
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@Dipak Wow, what a great peace of information.
What's the fuss with the name Jinnah. Quaid's grandfather I believe converted to Islam. And plus they were Gujrati and Gujarati influence is understandable. Quaid might have changed Jinnabhai to Jinnah because the former was too awkward to a western audience. No need to involve the Greeks in this.
Absurd article. Ask any gujarati here. You will get one reply only. Jina means thin person and this is the only reason for adding this title. All gujaratis believe this.
Phythagoras became jain is very interesting. Jainism is the most non violent religion in the world. A true jain does not harm even a tiny insect.
@Dipak: Very interesting - thanks for this info. It is amazing how catching a couple of fish can change history - truly a butterfly effect.
Fantastic article not understood by many!
@Gp65 Of all that I have read on Jinnah, never ever did I come across the fact that Jinnah was a title, added by the Qaide himself. What further adds to my incredulity is the lack of a proper citation or even a vague reference. Why I am offended? Perhaps out of love of Jinnah.
@gp65:
Why are you just assuming that Muslims will JUDGE Hindus on what Hindus do rather than asking you what you guys are supposed to do??????? If you have a pre-disposition to pre-judgement, I am sorry to say everyone is not like that!
Jinnah's grandfather was Gokuldas Meghji Thakker ( Poonja ). He was born a Hindu Gujarati lohana from Moti Paneli near Gondal. As a child I had the opportunity to visit this place in early fifties and people there spoke about Jinnah. From what we were told by the towns people that Gokuldas's provision store was not making much money, therefore, he went into fishing business in Veraval, a port city in west coast of Gujarat. There he made lots of money and eventually returned to his town in Moti Paneli. The local Hindu lohanas who were vegetarians did not accept Gokuldas for he killed fish and sold them for food. Gokuldas was thrown out of his caste. So he converted to Muslim Khoja religion. His son named Jinabhai, a Hindu name was never changed as was the custom for people who converted their religion. By the way the towns people had very high respect for Jinnah. All Hindus I met spoke very highly of Jinnah.
Much of geometry originates from the Indian Sulva Sutras, or "rules of the chord". In those days, ancient Indians/Pakistanis started off the field of geometry using a peg and a chord (instead of compass). It was used mainly for rituals primarily. The other original source of geometry is the Achaemenus papyrus. There is not much doubt that Pythagoras learned the construction and theorem from Indians.
If you are interested in a scholarly source considered the authority on the subject, please read "The Ritual Origin of Geometry" by A. Seidenberg who is the world's authority on this stuff. http://www.springerlink.com/content/r6304ku830258l85/
"Jinnah’s Poonja family had its origin in Gujarat and could have grown to admire the non-violent Jains also called Jinas." Alas, his family "could" have but not him!
I bet even Mr. Jinnah would not have done so much research on this name before opting to use it as his sirname.. well done!
... somewhere, midway ... the Author lost the plot in the cobweb he spun ... Just shows, too much conjecture ...
The sanskrit root for prostitute is "patit" or fallen ( same as prostrating ). Similarly "patan" means perishing or losing.
@BlackJack: "However, I fail to see the connection between Jinnah and Pythagoras. "
It appears that Pythagoras was influenced by Jainism as was Jinnah's grandfather who named his father Jina. There is no other connection that is sought to be highlighted I believe.
@Pir Bulleh Shah @: Arijit Sharma: jihad may be ok if it remains in the domain of victory over self. problem arises when the jihad is used for victory over others. people have problems with that type of jihad. so better u teach your people first about the true meaning of jihad rather than teaching us. then other people will not malign it unnecessarily.
Makes perfect sense to me. The Great Quaid was a thoroughly rational progressive democrat - a modern-day Pythagoras in many aspects while excelling the latter in many others.
@Pir Bulleh Shah: "People malign Jihadis unnecessarily. You are the first Hindu to have understood Jihad correctly."
I think what people criticize is what is currently practiced in the name of jihad. Since the people exhorting them do so in the name of jihad and people actually doing those barbaric acts, claim they are doing jihad, that is the what the world associates with jihad.
After all, you will judge Hindus based on the behaviors Hindus demonstrate - right? You do not study Bhagvad Geeta or Vedas do you?
Finally, it would also seem that it is not just rest of the world but even the Muslims who indulge in barbaric terrorism in the name of jihad are also misinterpreting jihad - right?
@Khawaja Ali Zubair: "So Ahmed Ali Jinnah and Fatima Jinnah decided to take cue and changed their names too? On what basis do you claim he added the name himself? I am sorry, but I find your statement highly offensive."
What exactly do you find offensive. What is stated is a matter of record. In Gujarat, barring some people whose surnames indicated their profession, it was uncommon for people to have a surname. People usually went by their own name and name of father (husband in case of married women).
Arijit Sharma
People malign Jihadis unnecessarily. You are the first Hindu to have understood Jihad correctly.
Khaled Ahmed is always interesting and informative to read including this piece. However, in this case I think Khaled Sahib is overthinking the connection. I had read somewhere (cannot find the source now) that the last name Jinnah was added by the family as a tribute to Zuljinah (which was the name of Husayn ibn-e-Ali's horse at Karbala). Zuljinah processions are taken out during Muharram. This explanation makes a lot of natural sense as the family was Ismaili Shia and fairly devout.
Enlightening as always. For people who complain irrelevance of this article, Pakistan is in the state it is mainly because people of the country are ignorant of their roots and their connections to other civilizations.
Great information. But wouldn't it be a better use of newspaper space to teach the young Pakistani generation the great qualities and virtues that made Jinnah a great leader.
That would be a great service to the young generation which has seen nothing but political bickering and infighting that has reduced Pakistan to the state of an African state rather than that great state which was the envy of most Far East countries whose economies were far behind those of Pakistan's.
It is high time we started teaching the young people of Pakistan what is possible if we apply our minds to the cause of selflessness and public service.
@mr. righty rightist:
"Can you please teach some logic and reasoning to common Pakistanis also?!!:"
Who will teach logic to Indians? An impossible task.
Mr. Ahmed,
I thought 'jina' means 'thin' in Gujarati. The correct spelling would be Zina. Couple of years back Gujarat had a minister named Zinabhain Darji. The meaning you assign to 'Jina' as victory is misplaced here, I believe.
This article reminds me of the chicken first or egg first debate that was going on in Baghdad just before the Hulagu Khan's invasion in which millions of Iraqis were slaughtered like chickens. I wonder what benefit the people or the country can derive from the wisdom presented in this article in order to get out of the present mess. I only hope that the author would use his talents to devise solutions of some of the real problems the people and the country are currently facing; save the deep state, because too much has already been said on the issue.
Ahimsa in Jainism and Buddhism , destroyed India.
There is a stark difference between the two names - like you trace their roots.
The article is awesome- but somehow I don't understand y you made Jinnah and Pythagoras comparison (not being sarcastic). The difference between the roots of the name is way too much!!! But as they say "a few minutes with the wise, is better than hours spent with books!"
The India connection between Pythagoras and India is certainly interesting - thank you for this. However, I fail to see the connection between Jinnah and Pythagoras. The Tirthankaras in Jainism were also called Jinas (the 24th was Mahavira who was a contemporary of Pythagoras).The concept of victory that is referred to here is conquering of the self and of the senses thus liberating oneself from the cycle of birth and death; long before the Chalukyas, Chandra Gupta Maurya, whose empire ranged from Balochistan to Assam became a Digambara Jain and renounced the world - you can find him in Plutarch referred to as Sandrocottus when he meets Selecus Nicator of Macedonia and marries his daughter. The word Jina was thus a common word that commanded great respect, and must have been adopted by Jinnah's people and several others of those times. Further, ahimsa has its roots in Sramanism (a philosophy from Vedic times that grew in opposition to Brahmanism) with principal offshoots of Buddhism and Jainism, which were absorbed by latter-day Hinduism.
If aurhor thesis is Jinnah opted name because of his love with Jainism then why he is not vegetarian. I don't understand what actually want to say
The Pythagoreans were a super secret sect actually. They even threw a member of their own sect who they thought might reveal their secrets to outside world. This is the first time anywhere I have read that Pythagoras could have travelled to India. Could please point to me the source of this?
Much as this information is welcomed by some readers, how is it useful to a people that live in perpetual misery and poverty caused upon them by their own current crop of leaders?
Why not teach our younger generation the virtues of public service and selflessness that Jinnah embodied?
So Ahmed Ali Jinnah and Fatima Jinnah decided to take cue and changed their names too? On what basis do you claim he added the name himself? I am sorry, but I find your statement highly offensive.
Amazing.
Every time your writing amazes me. So much knowledge, so much analysis.
Can you please teach some logic and reasoning to common Pakistanis also?!!
Think in Sanskrit and many other Indian languages there are two words for victory. One is Jaya ( which means victory over ONESELF) and an another is Vijaya ( Victory over OTHERS).
Even before Pythagoras , the so called "Pythagoras theoram" was invented in india and is still found in the SULABH SUTRAS 800-600 BC.