CSF dues worth $1.75billion linked to Nato supply route, Shakil Afridi release
The bill, which allocates money for the US defense budget for fiscal year 2013, was passed by the Senate Armed Services Committee last month, and is yet to be debated in Senate. The bill also allocates $15million for Pakistan under the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Fund, which allows the Secretary of Defense to help provide “training, equipment, supplies, and services to ministries and other entities of the Government of Pakistan that the Secretary has identified as critical for countering the flow of improvised explosive device precursor chemicals from Pakistan to locations in Afghanistan.”
Additionally, the bill states that Pakistan may not be given any funds for the period during which the supply routes between Afghanistan and Pakistan were closed.
In the conditions placed on Pakistan, no reimbursement payments can be made until the Secretary of Defense testifies that Pakistan has re-opened and is maintaining security along the supply routes. That Pakistan is not providing support to militant groups such as the Haqqani Network and the Quetta Shura, and “is taking actions to prevent such groups from basing and operating in Pakistan.”
The conditions placed on the reimbursements also include that Pakistan must commit to make an effort towards countering IEDs, and co-operate with the US’ counterterrorism efforts, “including by not detaining, prosecuting, or imprisoning citizens of Pakistan as a result of their cooperation with such efforts, including Dr Shakil Afridi.”
The NDAA draft bill says that the Secretary of Defense may be allowed to waive this certification if it is in national security interests of the United States.
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Both conditions totally unacceptable to people of Pakistan.Shakeel is Pakistani citizen & US has no business in our internal affairs.Remember. you executed Ethel & Rosenberg for having links with the Soviet Union & they were Americans.So far as $1.7 billion, that is our money & you must pay us back.
Can Pakistan do without the $1.75 billion in Counterinsurgency Funds from the U.S.? The civilian government has to find a smart way to end the standoff without losing face.
@BruteForce, "Pakistan did everything for the US" No one says this.
"Pakistan has sacrificed so much for the US" Again no one says this but IT IS TRUE that Pakistan has sacrificed a lot after the war was FORCED upon it.
"US has not paid back Pakistan for all its help" This is true as well, after forcing Pak to join this war, US has not fully paid Pakistan even the money it agreed to pay.
"US has only exploited Pakistan" US exploits everyone so this isn't even an argument.
"Its not US’s fault Pakistan is now the epicenter of Terror" haha do I really need to mention how Pakistan became the epicenter of terror? I mean do I really need to point how it was US fault after Soviet Afghan war? I though you'd know better. Plus I'm not even gonna touch the fact how terrorism has increased tenfold in Pakistan after US set its blessed foot in Afghanistan.
@BruteForce, "No country does it for charity," Thanks for killing your own argument.
@BruteForce:
"No country does it for charity, there is always a motive behind it. US is no different, so is Pakistan. So, stop this holier than thou attitude."
Your last sentence says all. Rather you should stop the repetition of "free free free ...." like a parrot,
@Lala Gee:
You also accused me of spreading falsehood, which I never do and am happy you agree that I was right(as always).
Now, you have changed tack and tried to prove me wrong on something no civilian(on in Pakistan's case a military man) who is not in the corridors of power can say for sure.
US gave Pakistan free stuff, so does China. If US's gifts are not out of altruism then so is China's. Doesn't china give free stuff to Pakistan to annoy India? So, that only leaves the question, does any state does it because it believes in charity?
The guns and ammunition that Pakistan gave to Sri Lanka, is it because of a want to do charity, or to get Sri Lanka on Pakistan's side against India?
No country does it for charity, there is always a motive behind it. US is no different, so is Pakistan. So, stop this holier than thou attitude.
@BruteForce:
"I’ve provided my proof. I can provide more if you insist. US has given a LOT to Pakistan that you simply refuse to acknowledge. Not only that, 1965 war that you claim to have won against India, guess whose planes were you flying. So, historically US has been helping Pakistan. Do you want proof that even Jinnah asked for aid from US? I’ve the complete speech where Jinnah literally asks US to finance Pakistan out of its mess. Want to see? :)"
Well you didn't answer my real question? Does US give Pakistan all these toys and billions of dollars out of altruism and in return for nothing.
@BruteForce: US does what it does solely for its own interests.
@Lala Gee:
I've an excellent memory. Here, is the ET report which says the following.
"Pakistan had purchased 18 new F-16 Block 52+ aircraft, while 14 used F-16s were supplied free of charge by the US."
http://tribune.com.pk/story/338584/boosting-air-defence-f-16s-replace-americans-at-jacobabad-airbase/
"This time Pakistan paid US$ 5 billion for 18 new F16 and upgrading the old ones, which you tried to mislead the readers by saying ‘provided free’ out of your malevolent nature."
I've provided my proof. I can provide more if you insist. US has given a LOT to Pakistan that you simply refuse to acknowledge.
Not only that, 1965 war that you claim to have won against India, guess whose planes were you flying. So, historically US has been helping Pakistan.
Do you want proof that even Jinnah asked for aid from US? I've the complete speech where Jinnah literally asks US to finance Pakistan out of its mess. Want to see? :)
@BruteForce:
"For now, how about the free F16s that were provided to Pakistan free of charge? So, that squares it. If you remember F16s cost millions of dollars and US has given them to the Pakistanis in dozens...."
You seem to live in the fools paradise and think the rest of world like yourself. You must have heard the popular western maxim "There is no such thing as a free lunch". How is it possible that the country who do not spend a couple of millions to provide shelter to her own homeless citizens dying due to extreme winters, give Pakistan billions just out of altruism and do not get a return on the payments. If you remember back in 1990's, Pakistan paid in advance the full price for the purchase of 60 F16 which were never delivered to Pakistan nor the US fully refunded the payment. This time Pakistan paid US$ 5 billion for 18 new F16 and upgrading the old ones, which you tried to mislead the readers by saying 'provided free' out of your malevolent nature.
Please keep the CSF US$ 1.75 but leave us alone. We have nothing to do or offer in your War on Terror which was in fact bullied upon us by you.
@BruteForce, I didn't know Americans had provided Pakistan with $70bn worth of financial and/or military help since that is the amount of loss Pakistan has incurred in War on Terror (ofcourse you will probably try to deny these figures as exaggerated). The F-16s are being used against militants who are the enemies of US...are they not?
@Wondeful, You ask what support Pakistan has provided? Till November 2011, Pakistan has provided supply routes to NATO, use of airbases like Shamsi Airbase, deployment of thousands of troops on Pak-Afghan border and has been successfully countering militancy on its territory. After the deliberate attacks on Pakistani border posts by US forces in November 2011, Pakistan blocked the NATO supplies and asked US to vacate Shamsi Aibase. The deployment of thousands of troops on Pak-Afghan border continues and so does Pakistans fight against militancy. So in the end you DO owe Pakistan.
@Hassan:
"The money is not for the future support. Its for the past activities and support that Pakistan provided. "
For every claim of help/service Pakistan has provided that you make I can provide you an instance where American has financially and/or militarily helped Pakistan.
For now, how about the free F16s that were provided to Pakistan free of charge? So, that squares it. If you remember F16s cost millions of dollars and US has given them to the Pakistanis in dozens. I think that would pretty much cover whatever little "services" Pakistan has rendered in the past year, considering the supply routes have been closed for over 6 months now.
@Taji: Hassan: Dear Taji, Hassan Well written missives. Not presented with emotion, but based upon economic, financial, military and political reality. Pakistan is currently walking a tight rope and attempting to balance itself between two, three or maybe more conflicting groups who, to normal intelligent people, perceive their role in life from a very perplexing viewpoint. Similarly, some of the contributors to the above article, are difficult to comprehend. Unfortunately, the problems created, and continuing to be created, by the U.S. and its minions from the West, are ongoing and will not be solved until they go home. I am led to understand the U.S. defense system employs many thousands of people to write to various media outlets in order to get their point-of-view across. Therefore, we have to continue writing to let them know that what they, and the military, are doing is totally unethical and wrong.
Desperate & cheap tactics US!
Lets tell US, we don't need this amount, we believe in DEATH BEFORE DISGRACE.
PAKISTAN FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Uzair Javaid: They were never obligated to play it any other way from the start. It's called being taken for granted.
US now playing it cheap!
@Wonderful Pakistan has lost more soldiers in war on terror then all nato forces combined. Those soldiers were not fighting to protect your so called taliban terrorists. They were fighting against them.
Nato has been using Pakistan for last 10 years for its backup airbase and transit routes.
And don't forget who created taliban by giving them weapons in 1970-80s to fight against russians. If US is fighting against taliban now, they are actually clearing their own created mess which they left in Pakistan.
@Nasir: What does CSF mean?
@Hassan: Can you please list out the past activities and support that Pakistan has provided.
@Shadowliner, @SoundofFury, @Thoughtful America can keep their tax payer money. We don't need them. America has used our infrastructure for last 10 years without taxes and duties. Now is the right time to put tax on them and block the infrastructure access.
Btw, you still think it is really a war against terror? Name one country who has fired WMD on civilian population. Name one country who has killed thousands of civilians in wars on iraq and Afghanistan. Find your answers yourself.
@BruteForce The money is not for the future support. Its for the past activities and support that Pakistan provided. IF you think Pakistan didn't provide any support in the past, then why is all the fuss around the world now that Pakistan has blocked supply route?
@For all ill-informed: US has not reimbursed the CSF for the last two years against the services and support Pakistan has already provided. Don't be so blind in Pakistan bashing.
@ Batman
As if continously seeking funds isn't enough, you seem to think it is your right to American taxpayer money. This is akin to a beggar claiming everybody OWES him or her money! Please read the first line of the report properly.
@Batman:
You were willing to provide a service for an amount and you no longer provide that service but still want the payment?
If you say we deserve the payments for doing nothing, then good luck to you, go ahead and delude yourself further, because no one in the World will believe you.
@Sexton Blake:
You are almost right. But, wouldn't it be smart to get on the side of a Super Power rather than fearing to irk some Terrorists?
You are saying Haqqanis and Quetta shura represent all of Afghans? Rubbish.
Afghans hate the Taliban and other similar groups. Pakistan supported such groups in the past, Musharaff allowed them to escape into Pakistan(a stroke of genius!) and now you are surprised that they are threatening the very existence of Pakistan?
Pakistan has to do the right thing. Stop interfering in Afghanistan by hosting proxies on its soil. Pakistan's policy of Terror has hurt my country India too so no sympathy from me. Just do more.
@random: Owes? For what? Pakistan has done nothing with regard to the Afghan Taliban who are attacking Afghanistan. And seriously force is the only thing Pakistan responds to.
@Batman: Can you inform us why you are owed this money. Suggest that you read the first sentence of this article very carefully.
The choice for Pakistan is very simple: accept the conditions and take CSF $1.75 billion, and then face continuous demands of do more; in addition invite the wrath of the terrorists in shape of more suicide bombings inside the country, and lose billions more in terms of capital flight and no further incoming investments. Inadvertently, the US and NATO are allowing a total economic collapse of Pakistan. It seems that they want a victory in Afghanistan even if it means total collapse of Pakistan. After all, it's election year and they want to be able to tell their constituencies that 'look we are not wasting money, it's all worth it'.
I pray & hope that Pakistan can get out of this stranglehold.
@batman We owe you nothing. No support for the coalition no coalition support fund.
So essentially US owes Pakistan 2 Billion and it wants to bully its way to what it wants. Another Low for america..
The U.S. is really saying to the Pakistan leadership, "lets toss a coin; heads we are right; tails you are wrong". Pakistan is in a dreadful quandary. America has been fermenting trouble in South Asia for many years now, and have basically placed Pakistan between a rock and a hard place. For example, the Haqqani Network and the Quetta Shura were fully supported by the U.S. during the Afghan/Russian skirmish. Then the Americans changed their mind eleven years ago and chased untold thousands of them from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Pakistan has basically supported the U.S. with an anti Haqqani/Quetta stance, but has to be careful, because Afghan people blend into Pakistan society reasonably well, and do so much better than Americans. If Pakistan antagonizes them too much they strike back. Alternatively, if Pakistan does not get rough with Haqqani/Quetta the Americans become antagonized, threaten to cut aid and send drones over which kill many innocent Pakistanis. The Pakistan Government has my sympathy in this matter. They appear to be attempting to appease both sides until the Americans decide to move out. Unfortunately, a U.S. exit from Afghanistan may be a long time coming, and in the meantime, it is obvious that America wishes to be the de-facto Government of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
......and Pakistan must also roll over and drop dead
Earlier, the waiver was in the hands of the Secretary of Statet. Now it is in the hands of Secretary of Defense.
We never thought to hear such a language or terms coming out of responsible world power's senate or one of it's committee, this only point out their helplessness. Pakistan is an independent democratic State with parliament, laws, educated young generation, deep ruited n rich culture of thousands of years, well trained fighting force n declared nuclear power (maybe small in size but big in deeds) as one of the world power USA. It's not a colony of any past or present colonial mentality. Pakistan can respond by ordering all/any trucks to return Karachi port/advise senders of these goods to reload in their ship within (days time) or they be thrown into sea, to clear roads for normal traffic. Anger or dis-appointments can be responded in civilized/educated manners, such type of language n style in Pakistan called "Gundas Talk" n no one in this country appreciate such style.
Now they are putting conditions on money which they OWE us. Wow