Bigger plot: ‘HuT has formed a shadow govt for Pakistan’

Published: March 7, 2012
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111 Brigade chief says Brig Ali had met HuT’s chief for Palestinian territory. PHOTO: FILE

111 Brigade chief says Brig Ali had met HuT’s chief for Palestinian territory. PHOTO: FILE

Brigadier (retd) Ali Khan, who is accused of plotting to topple the democratic government and mount attacks on the army headquarters, had met the chief of banned group Hizb-ut-Tahrir for Palestinian territory while he was conspiring to overthrow the government and create Islamic caliphate, the BBC quoted a senior military officer as saying.

According to Brigadier Amir Riaz, head of 111 Brigade, Brig Ali had disclosed that HuT has prepared a new constitution and a shadow government for Pakistan and that the group was ready to take over anytime.

Brigadier Amir Riaz, who has now been promoted to the rank of Major-General, has been introduced by the prosecution as a witness against Brig Ali, who is currently facing court martial proceedings.

Brig Riaz (now Maj-Gen) said in a statement that a few months back Brig Ali had expressed distrust in Pakistan’s incumbent civil and military leaderships and had called for establishing Islamic caliphate in the country. According to the prosecution documents, Brig Ali had allegedly told his former colleagues that he had friends in the HuT and that he had met the group’s chief for Palestinian territory.

“Brig Ali told me that HuT could establish a real caliphate which could also ensure good governance in Pakistan. He also told me that HuT has prepared an alternative constitution and a shadow government which could take over anytime,” Brig Riaz said.

Brig Riaz, who has been named as a witness by the prosecution, was promoted to the rank of Maj Gen following his statement against Brig Ali, according to the BBC report.

Brig Ali believed that HuT could establish caliphate in Pakistan only if the military handed over power to the group, said Brig Riaz. And this was not possible until the incumbent military brass was removed.

Brig Riaz said that he knew his former colleague Brig Ali as an emotional person – but his statement could not be brushed aside as his emotionalism.

In his statement, he further said Brig Ali had told him that some elements in Pakistan Air Force were part of the HuT conspiracy and they would mount an air raid on the General Headquarters with F-16 fighter jets during a corps commanders’ conference to eliminate the army brass.

He claimed that Brig Ali had asked him to take over key buildings in Islamabad following such an attack. But he said that he had turned down the offer to become part of the conspiracy and to cooperate with Brig Ali.

After being disappointed in Brig Riaz, Brig Ali tried to recruit other army officers. He seemed in a hurry to execute his plot because his retirement from service was nearing.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 7th, 2012.

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Reader Comments (105)

  • faraz
    Mar 7, 2012 - 10:43AM

    Another victim of Nasim Hijazi novels.

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  • Ali Hasan
    Mar 7, 2012 - 10:58AM

    Court Martial him and lock him and his fellow conspirators forever. Treason most foul.

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  • John B
    Mar 7, 2012 - 10:59AM

    Well, caliphate ideology has been cooking for a long time, so no surprise there. The alleged PAF involvement is surprising. It may have credence considering the targeted naval base attack. How deep does this go?

    Now, let us go back. Who among this group brought OBL to Abbottabad? Start from there and all the puzzles will fall in place.

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  • anonymous observer
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:11AM

    If the plan had been executed and the Corps commanders killed, instead of khilafat we would have once again become a part of the greater India…Recommend

  • Truth Teller
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:17AM

    Scary real SCARY!

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  • Iron hand
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:27AM

    What drives educated Muslims to support such bizarre, unrealistic ideas as a 21st century califaphate?

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  • Mir
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:28AM

    This time it is brigadier next time it could someone senior at key position. Security establishment, bureaucracy and government didn’t work out seriously to remove sympathisers of global and local terror networks.

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:28AM

    @faraz:

    Ha ha ha ha! I can’t stop my laughter at your joke.

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  • ishtiaer hussain
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:29AM

    Nip the evil in the bud.

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  • Hassan
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:33AM

    Wow, this is really disturbing! I can’t imagine we have people like him in the armed forces!

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  • Saad
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:40AM

    Well the charge sheet is really big but the question is whether they do have any solid evidence to support that. Mere statement of the person introduced as witnessed should not count even if the stature of witness is that of GENERAL. So far we have not seen any real evidence like conversation recordings, photographs, emails, letters etc. on media to support the allegations.

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  • tashfain Amir
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:48AM

    May ALLAH accept struggle of Brig Ali.It shows that HuT is strong in Army.InshALLAH we will see more officers like Brig Ali Khan working for establishment of Caliphate.

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  • Shah
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:54AM

    And our chief justice wants to save him…yeah right

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  • Sayyed Mehdi
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:58AM

    Scary indeed. The world is not unjustified in it’s fears that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal can land in the hands of extremists.

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  • Nawaz
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:05PM

    Its totally rubbish.

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  • Qasim
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:08PM

    Is Brig Riaz’s promotion the prize for his obediency and animosity?

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  • yasir
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:11PM

    “Brigadier Amir Riaz, who has now been promoted to the rank of Major-General, has been introduced by the prosecution as a witness against Brig Ali, who is currently facing court martial proceedings.”

    This sentence is enough to tell the real story.

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  • Mumbai kid
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:20PM

    And they claim their nukes are in safe hands. Hmmmm……

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  • anonymous observer
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:23PM

    For me true khilafat has already been established…There can never be any parallel khilafat..
    Love for all Hatred for none

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  • Akhtar
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:23PM

    The Caliphate is coming soon, inshallah!

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  • Abdullah
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:26PM

    These are only allegations… cannot trust our media reports… We have seen how sincere ones, from Dr. AQ Khan to this guy are only victimized in Pakistan whilst culprits roam freely…

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  • Adeel Ahmed
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:56PM

    We want caliphate… we do. But not like this.
    Not with widespread bloodshed of our own people and a civil war.
    This is nothing but treason, and this guy and the group needs to be taken care of.

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  • MAHMOOD
    Mar 7, 2012 - 12:56PM

    @ishtiaer hussain:

    @faraz:

    Ha ha ha ha! I can’t stop my laughter at your joke.

    Unfortunately it is not a joke but a reality deeply embedded in our sub conscience. Thats why we have’nt stopped dreaming.

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  • Right Perspective
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:03PM

    I would really like to know the alternate system and constitution that has been prepared by HuT because its obvious for any one with a brain that the current democratic setup has failed. No political leadership in Pakistan has any real alternatives or agenda for Pakistan. Let us not put our weight behind the forces of status quo and shun ideas just because they seem too radical.

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  • anonymous
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:04PM

    Totally rubbish ………… foolish thing …….

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  • lovelyday
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:09PM

    How many of you support Turkish system for Pakistan???

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  • wahab
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:24PM

    so after court marshial shouldnt he get death sentence according to constitution? Or the constitution only applies to Civilians?

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  • Tariq
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:27PM

    I think the focus of discussion should be more on the system of Khilafah (caliphate), then Mr. Ali, as an alternative/viable solution to western democracy/capitalism. The people of Pakistan have tested both democracy and dictatorship, which I believe are two sides of the same coin, for more than half a century now but it resulted in miseries after miseries.

    As a result of Mr. Ali’s incident an objective discussion should be initiated with regards to Khilafah as an alternative system.

    Regards,

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  • Uzair Javaid
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:27PM

    as its a known fact that HuT is a covertly run organization by the MI-6, this could have been an attempt to indirectly take control of the Pakistani nukes as they demanded transfer of power to them (HuT). This clearly shows MI6 is playing its part in accessing our nukes and CIA on the other is doing their part using other resources.,

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  • Pakistani
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:34PM

    @tashfain Amir:

    I feel sorry to say that caliphat system has destroyed Islam badly and divided in fiqh. If implemented it will divide Pakistan as well.

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  • Salman
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:40PM

    He apparently looks like a delusional fool and I don’t know why this story seems fake or exaggerated cooked up to me but you never know. HuT activists are blamed by Bangladeshi Army recently for a suspected coup with similar tactics so it may sounds a global conspiracy by HuT against South Asian Muslim nations.

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  • waseem
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:41PM

    Great nations have great problems. I sometimes really get astonished over comments by readers that something abnoxious has happened. Is same not happening in Europe ? All conspiracies are similar in ingenuity. Its routine matter . However, response was timely and remarkable.

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  • adeel
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:44PM

    what a made up story… of holywood film

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  • Cobra Commander
    Mar 7, 2012 - 1:45PM

    The caliphate is a pipe dream. We can’t even protect our shia citizens and we are dreaming of a super nation of Muslim countries .

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  • Fahd Abbasy
    Mar 7, 2012 - 2:12PM

    the caliphate will return InshaAllah

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  • Nirmit
    Mar 7, 2012 - 2:17PM

    what is this Caliphate by the way!!! how would it be good or bad!!! will it be a journey back to medievel age or a journey towards future!!! are technocrats and literate also convinced with this idea or is it just for the people who have nothing to do and no education about the civilization are looking for their reason for survival!!!

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  • Abrar R
    Mar 7, 2012 - 2:21PM

    Dirty game. HT is playing with fire. They have no clue what would have happened had they executed this plan. Their wouldve been total anarchy in Pakistan. Troops wouldve never bowed to Brig Ali, they would renegade the same way Brig Ali have had on his commanders and most probably executed him.

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  • Shah
    Mar 7, 2012 - 2:22PM

    @Abdullah:

    Yeah right….Keep your eyes closed…Such things dont only happen in Pakistan but also other countries. But usually kept secret…BUT OUR media like always are working against the interest of our nation is bring such news out.

    Not a good sign at all…

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  • Chacha
    Mar 7, 2012 - 2:51PM

    @Abdullah: AQ Khan is sincere ? – he admitted on TV selling nukes ! Iran and LIbya officially admitted recieving nuclear material from him.

    Pakistan has a very strange definition of sincerity !

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  • Mark
    Mar 7, 2012 - 2:54PM

    It is too late to start again with a new system…be it Turkish or German or Indonesian. Now, the established system dictates you…and not the other way round. For changing such fundamental things, one requires a very strong leader with a sustained mass-base. There is nobody in the scene, at the moment.

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  • Torrent
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:04PM

    This is more serious than any memo.

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  • Mohammad
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:10PM

    Currently the top brass are in the pocket of the Americans who conspire with them to kill Pakistani citizens through drone strikes. Yet Brig Ali is considered the traitor for wanting to see the establishment of Islam?

    What a strange backward country Pakistan has become.

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  • haroon ali
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:19PM

    Anything that comes through the use of ‘brute force’ and ‘killings’ is not acceptable. If you really believe in something, try to convince others rather than kill them. People like Brig. Ali (if this report is true) are dangerous to the world.

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  • Akhtar
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:30PM

    Many of those commenting on HuT don’t know what the organization is & capability. & they are also not Muslims because anyone who know HuT also knows it stands for Islam & the establishment of the caliphate.

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  • Imtiaz
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:38PM

    @tashfain Amir: Your dream will not come true. You are mis-guided peoples and wants to destroy Pakistan. You peoples are more dangerous than an outside enemy.

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  • Rajendra Kalkhande
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:49PM

    looks like There are more shadow governments in Pakistan than the real government.

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  • Cautious
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:54PM

    Guy doesn’t get to the rank of General without a lot of people knowing what his political leanings are — it’s kinda scary that your military allows people who fantasize about caliphates to even join let alone advance through the ranks. Pakistan military and intelligence needs to clean house and get rid of the hard core fanatics and OBL supporters.

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  • Cautious
    Mar 7, 2012 - 3:58PM

    I wonder whether Pakistani’s ever questioned why it’s criminal to for a General to try and overthrow the Military – but it’s OK for the Military to overthrow the Civilian govt? Why isn’t your SC taking any note of the alleged coup mentioned in Ijaz’s memo? Why is Musharraf running around free?

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  • Honest Opinion
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:05PM

    You care court martial men but you cannot court martial ideas. Khilafah is an idea whose time has come.

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  • Khalifa!
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:06PM

    Indeed pakistan must promote the setting up of the Caliphate, as that is only way Pakistan can change its own Fate!! Cali-Fate must be centred in the fortress of Islam, and then world will give the country all respect. Otherwise the Fate is subjugation by middle east and treating pakistani labour as slaves!

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  • Realist
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:28PM

    Seems too much fantastical to me. F-16 jets bombing Pakistan’s HQ? I think we what we have here is a classic case of “under torture a man will admit anything or will invent events to the interrogator’s liking”.

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  • pervaiz memon
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:45PM

    He got all the skill and power from the money of poor nation . He suppose to protect the physical and ideological border of country . He suppose to act as per will of people but as get power he try to impose his thought to take over the country in the name of Islam . Typical militants thoughts .God will save us from character like that .

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  • Chacha
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:51PM

    @Mohammad: Top Brass in pocket of Americans ? China is the all weather friend, NATO supply routes are closed and you still blame the Americans ?

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  • MAHMOOD
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:54PM

    @Mir: {Security establishment, bureaucracy and government didn’t work out seriously to remove sympathizers of global and local terror networks}

    That’s the key issue overriding all other issues. Unless Zero Tolerance is shown to such elements in Govt./Security agencies the war on terror won’t get anywhere.
    Maybe such a cleansing may bring back memories of much maligned / excessive McCarthysism in the decade of 50’s in USA when a extensive witch hunt of Communist sympathizers was carried out. And there will naturally be cries of human rights abuses but do we have a choice? Everyone knows partial removal of cancer cells never works.May GOD rid us of this malignant tumor from our body politic.

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  • well-wisher
    Mar 7, 2012 - 4:56PM

    There may be many in military who might be tempted to rule the country by using illegal means. Brig Ali got into this trap laid by HuT and was keen to carry out his objective before his retirement. The Western media is full of reports that many lower ranking officers and troops are under the direct influence of some religious organisations and the miltary would be well aware of this fact therefore taking punitive action against the Brigadier is a step in the right direction.

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  • Tanzeel
    Mar 7, 2012 - 5:01PM

    @Nirmit:
    It would be the end of whatever little semblance of civilization we have left in Pakistan. This is a straight up case of treason and I for one sincerely hope that Brig. Ali is charged as such and given the harshest possible penalty under the law(which, for cases of treason is the death penalty).

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  • javaan
    Mar 7, 2012 - 5:07PM

    You can try and jail men but not ideas ..for ideas are bulletproof….

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  • H A KHAN
    Mar 7, 2012 - 5:33PM

    if such type of government ever laid its step in Pakistan i will be the first person to leave this country which i love the most.No one will ever let these crazy people to destroy their future.This person should be hang and all those people who are with him.

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  • khan
    Mar 7, 2012 - 5:33PM

    who is behind HUT I am sure the same people who brought down the toewers.

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  • Dr Abdul Qadeer
    Mar 7, 2012 - 5:38PM

    May Allah keep brig sahib strong inshallah

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  • shazada Zahid mahmoud malik loan
    Mar 7, 2012 - 5:50PM

    The whole process of Court Martial and the subsequent comments are extremely emotional claptrap. There is no thruth in the case against this poor chap – another American-Zionist dream of trapping Pakistan in to giving up its nuclear assets. The American-Zionist set up will say well here you have it – the extreme elements in the armed forces are danger to the world and through the UN will seek a mandate to force Pakistan to give up their nuclear-weapons. The court martial is only a dress reharsal. How stupied the Pakistani top brass or the civilian corrupt “self-apponted leaders” can they get. The trial should stopped because all this a lie and someone is being paid by the Zionist-dominate-America to create state of unease in the country.

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  • Mar 7, 2012 - 6:19PM

    We are with Brig. Ali

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  • Mohammad
    Mar 7, 2012 - 6:34PM

    Khilafah or Islamic state means applying the mechanisms of state as defined by the prophet Muhammad in establishing Islamic solutions.

    Let’s take for example the problem of land monopolisation and the lack of productivity in this sector. Kharaj is a taxation on the potential yield of the land. Thus this Islamic tax if enacted would increase the revenues of Pakistan (currently under taxed) by promoting productivity as tax will be on potential yield. If landowners subject to this tax cannot wrk on the land due to their vast ownership (22 families owning most of the agricultural land in Pak) then they’d sell te land off. Thus you break the monopoly over land and break the feudalistic monopoly over political power.

    This shows just one law from Islam that could be enacted by the khilafah. So such an approach is far from being a utopian ideal but rather seems more and more relevant than the corrupt filled system we have now.

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  • Arshad
    Mar 7, 2012 - 6:43PM

    Can someone explain what are differences between Khilafat and Democracy? I am bit confused how to choose govenment authority in Khilafat. Also what is difference between Khilafat and Shariah. Is there any good book there to reed thesse differences? Please reply.

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  • The Don
    Mar 7, 2012 - 6:49PM

    @Akhtar:
    comming soon yes i agaree. also it would help if we stop promoting people like Brigadier Amir Riaz.

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  • Azim
    Mar 7, 2012 - 6:58PM

    Traitor – he and his associates should be hanged for treason.

    Parliament should show complete support to get the gentlemen his due punishment, also if needed by providing needed legislative support.

    Also all the such outfits should be banned with armed forces given all the needed power to clean the country of this evil. Most of missing persons families never tell what some of these missing person had been doing…so like some other international Govts. (also includes Islamic and European nations) in sake of national interest we need to provide the needed legal support to our law enforcements (also with checks and balances where executive branch is updated with fully updated with such cases)

    If we fail to act, all we will have are regrets!

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  • sr
    Mar 7, 2012 - 7:08PM

    The only people who have destroyed Pakistan are the elite and dictator crooks ruling the country now. Pakistan since it’s creation has seen no real development or sincere leadership, considering we are the 6th largest army, and worlds strongest Muslim army, and posess an abundance of natural resources. It’s about time an Islamic leadership took power, and implemented true justice in the form of Islam…and takes Pakistan out of the mess it’s in.

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  • studd
    Mar 7, 2012 - 7:23PM

    At least HT has a constitution , alternate system and policies ready unlike any existing leadership or even lleadership which founded Pakistan. Who struggled to make a system n constitution for 8 years.Recommend

  • Nirmit
    Mar 7, 2012 - 8:07PM

    @Khalifa!:
    “Be centered in islam and world will give all respect” laughable if not pitiable…….
    remember respect does not come by devoting self to religion or making religion a point of public domain…..neither one gets respect by making misiles or raising terrorists…….the respect comes when the people of the nation has ability to turn themselves into enterprenuers; traders and build the trade oriented society;
    hostorically, the societies who have been trade oriented or business oriented was the most respected one; even the spread of islam is totaly attributed to arab traders and not the Mullas…..look at the islamic nations; people will respect more to SA, UAE, Oman, Bahrin than Somalia, sudan, Pakistan, iran etc……..and last but not least; respect is something which people outside of your faith or society recognizes;

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  • observer
    Mar 7, 2012 - 8:10PM

    I don’t know whether the story is true or not. It lacks confirmation as do many reports. But one thing for sure that Caliphate can solve contemporary issues, and remove the mess created by capitalism. If you read history clear fully, you will find that this system of Caliphate was a sign of prosperity and technology. And because it existed for 1400 years (Islamic Laws), it indicates that it had the capacity to solve new issues. European historians go to the extent that they embrace the intellectual strength of this sys & say that Muslim Spain was such to Europe as head is to body and many others like Bertrand Russel, Adam Smith, etc had admired Caliphate. I wish when Muslim world is suffering under colonialism, this system may again take us out of slavery to new feats !

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  • Abdullah
    Mar 7, 2012 - 8:30PM

    Some of you probably wouldn’t believe if a Muslim historian tells you the achievements of Khilafah state but you will listen to any western speaker comments on Khilafah very carefully. This is what Tony Blair has said about Khilafah and Islam. In 2006 he said “the Quran was a ‘reforming book, it is inclusive. It extols science and knowledge and abhors superstition. It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance’. Under its guidance, the spread of Islam and its dominance over previously Christian or pagan lands were breathtaking. Over centuries, Islam founded an empire and led the world in discovery, art, and culture. The standard-bearers of tolerance in the early middle Ages were far more likely to be found in Muslim lands than in Christian ones.” Probably Tony Blair will never endorse forward-looking way of Khilafah but he even cannot deny what Khilafah has given to this world. This is a recorded history and they cannot deny it. They cannot say that it is some kind of experiment that Hizb-ut-Tharir came up with in 1953 and had no tradition in the Islamic world. This is the system was physically there for thirteen hundred years.some of you are saying Khilafah system will be very extreme. Let me tell you what is extreme, it is extreme to bomb countries for oil, it is extreme for politicians to cheat the public and the system, it is extreme to sit and do nothing when billions of people starve each night. Some say Khilafah system is unrealistic because it is impossible to have one state for entire Ummah from Morocco to Malaysia. My argument is if 1.5 billion Chinese can live in one state why can’t 1.6 billion Muslim live in one Islamic state.

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  • Ali
    Mar 7, 2012 - 8:42PM

    Khilafah is the only method to implement the Islamic Ideology.The Muslims did not lag behind the world due to their adherence to Islam. On the contrary, their regression commenced the day they abandoned this adherence to Islam and they allowed the foreign culture to enter their lands and the Western concepts to occupy their minds. They declined when they abandoned the intellectual leadership of Islam, neglected its da’wah and misapplied its rules (ahkam). Therefore, the Muslims must resume the Islamic way of life if they want the revival to occur. And The da’wah should be carried today as it was delivered in the past and should proceed in compliance with the example of the Messenger (saw), without the slightest deviation from that method in its general and specific details. No regard should be given to the difference in time, for this difference amounts to nothing more than the means and forms. However, the essence and the reality of life has not and will not change, regardless of the passing of ages and changing of peoples and places.

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  • Omar
    Mar 7, 2012 - 8:43PM

    Islam came to be implemented in practical life. Islam is realistic; it deals with realities and it is not difficult to implement. It lies within the potential of every human being; no matter how weak is his thinking and how strong his instincts and needs are. Then why Islam is not implemented in daily life’s affairs? Whose responsibility is this and are we in sin by no fulfilling this obligation?

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  • smj
    Mar 7, 2012 - 8:46PM

    we already have too many Khalifas!

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  • Musab
    Mar 7, 2012 - 9:13PM

    So believing in a united Muslim world under the Khilafah is labelled an extremist idea. No distinction is made between those who use a non-violent political method such as HT or those who use fighting in their method.Look at how the British dealt with Irish terrorism. They didn’t say believing in a united Ireland was an extremist idea. Rather they looked at the methods used whether they were violent or not. So when the IRA put down their arms and used non-violent political means to achieve their aim they became politicians rather than terrorists.
    The reason ‘Islamic’ terrorism is dealt with differently to Irish or any other terrorism is because the aim is not to stop terror attacks. Rather the aim is to stop Islam. Terms such as radicalization and brainwashing are never applied to kufr ideas but are applied to Islamic ideas.

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  • Mumbai Kid
    Mar 7, 2012 - 10:59PM

    @MAHMOOD: “And there will naturally be cries of human rights abuses but do we have a choice? Everyone knows partial removal of cancer cells never works.May GOD rid us of this malignant tumor from our body politic.”
    Be careful on what you say or wish. The same words can apply to target muslims all over the world. If every government starts showing zero tolerance towards a certain painful elements in society, things will surely look far more uglier to muslims. Before you get personal look at the world poll of trust on muslim community in any country. Speeches like similar to yours have what brought this community a label of intollerance and are looked upon with high skepticism. So once again I cordially request, be careful what you say or wish for. How about increasing your tolerance and not to forcefully sove your ideologies on others for a change. try it, maybe the results will make you more happier than what you are now.

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  • Mumbai Kid
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:16PM

    @To all my muslim friends here: Islam may be a religion of peace and tolerence but today’s muslims are certainly not. It is easy for you guys to cry proaganda by kufrs and so on, but even for someone to point fingers at you , you need to have done something ridiculous to let them blame you. I wouldn’t mind embracing Islam, but it is the association with radical and intollerant muslims whom I fear to get assosciated with. And maybe it is my personal experience but I have come across more stubborn and radical types who just believes in converting people to Islam by any means necessary. I have quite many liberal muslim friends, but unfortunately the fanatic ones out number them easily. To get away from dreaded caste system of Hindu society ( myself being brahmin ) I will change to Islam , but then I have another challenge. Should I be shia, sunni, ahmedi, bohri, ismaili ? Because if I made careless choice of the sect I will again be subjected to “caste type” differences depending upon whether I live in shia majority or sunni majority country. For everything good what muslims say about Islam, I see the opposite behavior in them. They don’t even know why they read namaz five times ( or more ). They just follow it, they do not are to reason it. I cannot do anything without understanding it, I dont practice rituals of brahmins which I dont understand and which does not make sense to me. nly ones I understand and I see rationale in doing them is what I practice. Amongst my muslim friends who are bit more religiously inclined they dont have any answer or not even willing to discuss ( again due to lack of their knowledge ) on why they do certain practices. For them even discussing the practices of Islam is blasphemy. So tell me anyone, why would I embrace Islam when Islamic society is far more superstitious and dogmatic and way impractical and close minded and intollerant against fellow human of other communities.

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  • Mumbai Kid
    Mar 7, 2012 - 11:23PM

    @All Muslim friends : How come muslims are single most community whose members spend more time and brain in thinking and dreaming about Khilafah or bringing whole muslim brotherhood under one umbrella ? Why does not it spend same amount of time in progressing and contributing something to world. Has anything good come out of the nations demanding Khillafah which world would recognizes ? Any product or services ?

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  • Mawlud Uddin
    Mar 8, 2012 - 12:02AM

    The reality about the Caliphate is not fantasy, but a coming reality, for long the west have been commenting on it’s arrival from George Bush, Tony Blair, NIC intelligence and now it can clearly be seen in the Arab uprising, where the demand for Shariah/Khilafah is rising. In reality we muslim’s have tried all man made system from communism to democracy to dictatorship but yet where have we gone? Today the traitor rulers in our lands bid for their foreign masters, for instance was Pakistan in the situation (violence/killing/bombing) before the war on terror? yet today muslim’s blood and property is of no consequence and for who? America/West and by who? Musharaf and Zardari. So as I see it the Caliphate will be perfect to resolve our situation and why shouldn’t it be as it fit in according to our belief (Qur’an and Sunnah).

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  • John B
    Mar 8, 2012 - 12:10AM

    @Mohammad:
    What you are describing on the land tax (Kharaj) is not sharia. It is Hamurabi’s law practiced long time ago in Mesapatomia and continued until 12 century in many parts of the world.

    The Hamurabi’s land law or sharia law as you claim only works when the land owner is also a tiller of the field, and all the land in owned by the King Or the State.

    In Pakistan nothing prevents the land owners from hiring poor souls to till the soil as it is happening today.

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  • Mawlud Uddin
    Mar 8, 2012 - 12:27AM

    @Mumbai Kid, go and read more before you comment, your country was ruled by Caliphate over 900 years, yet you hindus live quite nicely, if we wanted we could of got rid of you, agree? like wise jews and christian’s in middle east or spain, if we were not tolerant then they would not exist full stop. to be a muslim is to follow Qur’an and Authentic Sunnah,

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  • Truth Syrup
    Mar 8, 2012 - 12:34AM

    The officers that stand against the slavery of the Western Interests, this is what happens to them. Generals who gladly accept the slavery and sell their Emaan for bounties of this world, they are promoted and are given extensions in their tenure.
    For how long would you ignore the facts? Are Muslim armies just a tool to implement western interests in these satellite states? Are these not the sons of Salah-ud-Din and Khalid-bin-Waleed? Did they follow an Islam that is unknown to us?

    All over the Muslim world, this is the case. Whenever a person or a military leader tries to show the reality of the West that you fear so much, they are either sent to jails, have cases opened against them, or sentenced to life imprisonment, or even death. Why break the shackles of slavery, when you can get an extra medal on your chest by licking the boots of your worldly masters. Is this why Allah revealed Islam? So that we could obey America/Britan/France/Germany?

    Allah gave us a System to rule, known as the KHILAFAH. That is the ONLY solution. If this guy strives to bring about that System, then we should support him. because he calls us to the word of Allah, unlike those who allow drone strikes and appear impotent when America opens fire on our troops and invades our cities and sends CIA operatives.

    The choice is yours! Freedom through KHILAFAH or living a life like an impotent creature in the slavery of America!!

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  • gp65
    Mar 8, 2012 - 1:08AM

    @Abdullah: “Some say Khilafah system is unrealistic because it is impossible to have one state for entire Ummah from Morocco to Malaysia. My argument is if 1.5 billion Chinese can live in one state why can’t 1.6 billion Muslim live in one Islamic state”

    Well consider the folowing facts:
    1. People of East Pakistan did not want to live with people of West Pakistan
    2. People of Balochistan are already agiatating to leave Pakistan
    3. Iran and Iraq have fought wars. Iraq had attacked Kuwait
    4. Countries like Saudi Arabia and Oman will not even let Pakistani Muslims who have worked there for 50 years to even but a house there – let alone give you citizneship.
    5. China has a contiguous land mass and common culture. This is not true for the 53 Muslim majority countries that you describe.Do you think Malaysians and Turkish women would be Okay to subject themselves to the type of rules that exist in Saudi Arabia?
    6. If other countries ALSO believed in the ummat concept as much as Pakistani Muslims do, there would be no visa requirements for Pakistani Muslims to any of these countries.DO you think a small country like UAE or Bahrain will restrict all visa restrictions for Bangadeshi and Pakistani Muslims?
    7. In your definition of country what is supposed to happen to non-Muslims who currently live in Muslim majority nation states like Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh? If you think you will simply throw them out – have you consdiered the impact that would have on Muslims who live in non-Muslim majority countries?
    8. Are you sure that Muslims who have currently chosen to live in non-Muslim majority states will buy into your ideas?

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  • Abdullah
    Mar 8, 2012 - 2:10AM

    i’ll pardon your ignorance on Khilafah history and its accomplishment as many Muslims are unaware of these facts also. I’ll urge you to research and find out who build the 1st university or hospital or invented the machine, parachute, and who came up with idea of pension or operated on the human body or who came up with navigation system or invented the lenses and list goes on. It was during the Khilafah that no one was there to take the charity because everyone’s need were fullfill. On the contary for all the lies the enemy of Islam label upon Islam they conveniently overlook the crisis they find themselves in. In the US one person is murdered every 31 minutes, raped every 1.9 minutes, assaulted every 36.9 seconds and one home is burglarized every 18 seconds. Both the US and the UK have the world’s highest rate of teenage pregnancies. 2 out of every 5 people are considered obese in Europe. Whilst Sarkozy attempts to protect Muslim women in France 3.2 million French citizens officially suffer from depression, 25,000 women in France are victims of rape every year, 400 women die every year in France due to violence, men are paid 11% more than women for the same jobs and 5400 women commit suicide every year in France. After over 200 years of capitalism Western societies are drowning in a sea of debt and social breakdown. Capitalism/democrazy needs to explain why the world should adopt it, it currently has a very weak case considering its problems in convincing the Ummah to abandon Islam, this is why its defence of Capitalism is not through elaborating on its details but by debating the apparent floors in the alternative.

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  • Cynical
    Mar 8, 2012 - 2:26AM

    How many of you, who are making fun and mocking at the idea of ‘Khilafat’ have actually know what ‘Khilafat’ means, what it stands for, what it means to a Muslim?
    I doubt.
    Do you know anything about the ‘Khilafat movement'(1919-24) in undivided India, which was even supported by the kafir hindus (e.g.that half-naked gandhi).Indian Congress supported it while the hindu mahasabha (a party of hindu criminals) opposed this movement.
    Don’t know why Muslim league opposed it too.When the whole world is conspiring to put us down every where, kashmir,palestine,iraq,iran,chehnya,philipine,sudan,somalia,france, Kilafat is the only solution.I think.

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  • khan
    Mar 8, 2012 - 4:03AM

    Prophet (SAW) is the pioneer of democracy. As a leader he did not designated any one for the leader ship of Muslims. He left to the group of people who were the most knowledgeable citizenry of that time to think and consult with each other and then chooses their leader and that process of choosing and consulting is called democracy and the person they elected was called Khalifa. Over the period of time the western societies have developed educated citizenry which is most necessary ingredient to choose a leader and they call him president or prime minister. The problem with us Pakistan is we have 90 % illiteracy and elect leaders with fake degrees by calling him a Khalifa will not change any thing.

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  • Mumbai Kid
    Mar 8, 2012 - 4:45AM

    @Mawlud Uddin: You are right, we should read before we comment. And same applies to you. Moghul ruled India from late 1500 till mid 1800s when Britishers established their rule. Until late 1500 muslim rule was restricted mostly to present tay Pakistan and north western part of current India. So as you see a caliphate did not rule “India” for “900” years as you guys are brainwashed to believe.

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  • Muslim Pakistani
    Mar 8, 2012 - 5:54AM

    This guys passion for change and the whole story to it is reminding me of the movie “Valkyrie”. Tom Cruise in the movie tries ousting Adolf Hitler by creating a network of officers on his ideas ;-)

    I personally believe pakistan does need such change and what change is better than such change (caliphate).

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  • MarkH
    Mar 8, 2012 - 6:44AM

    The strategies applied in nearly every area of Pakistan always has one aspect that makes me raise an eyebrow and think “really?”
    A promotion? Right now? I’m not saying the guy does or doesn’t actually deserve it. But so close to his testimony? That is a good way to make him no longer look credible.

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  • Dr Abdul qadeer
    Mar 8, 2012 - 6:47AM

    Please pray for brig sahib

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  • Mazher hussain
    Mar 8, 2012 - 6:55AM

    In Pakistan calling 4 Islam is a crime bcoz its ruled by Shaitan. First Musharaff & now Gilani/Kiyani/Zardari trio.

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  • Mansoor
    Mar 8, 2012 - 7:19AM

    @gp65>>>>For thirteen centuries under Islamic state, the issues you mentioned never mount to any power struggle or culture differences or sectarian violence or resource sharing(numerous example where one whilayat helped another whilaya in the time of need); these issues have been artificially created by enemies of Islam to keep us divided, Islam came to solve these differences. No doubt mistake were made in the past and mistake will be made in the future because implementation of the Islamic ideas and systems were performed by human.Indeed nationalism has also been forbidden by the saying of the Prophet Mohammad (saw): “Leave it. It is Rotten.” (Bukhari & Muslim)”.

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  • Mullah
    Mar 8, 2012 - 9:17AM

    Need to take this case carefully…if he is hanged and Dr.Afridi is released…then?

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  • hadeed ali
    Mar 8, 2012 - 10:01AM

    The Khilafah is the only way forward for pakistan and the rest of the muslim word, united as one!

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  • Tayyab
    Mar 8, 2012 - 1:13PM

    Fake

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  • Truth Syrup
    Mar 8, 2012 - 1:59PM

    @khan:
    The problem is not how to elect a leader.
    But what would an elected leader do after being elected. Today, the PM or President are the LEGISLATORS. Whereas Islam clearly states that Legislation is the RIGHT of Allah only.

    You should read more about Democracy, that it is much much more than just elections!

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  • Abdullah
    Mar 8, 2012 - 7:28PM

    Conflicting and confusing models of supposed Islamic governance, whether the Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Iran or in the literature of some religious parties, has not only obscured a clear picture of what the Islamic state will represent, but has also deterred others from considering the Islamic System as a viable or credible solution.These points may have been a strong argument a year ago, but recent uprising in Muslim worlds tells a different story. Whats started in Tunis quickly spread across Muslim land as if there are no borders b/w these countries. Unarmed people went out en mass to remove their ruler in a region, which has a shoot to kill policy. We can now lay to rest the argument that we are weak as an Ummah. Some people are calling for democracy, but at the same time they are shunning the west and its system, why; because ” democracy ” to the Muslims merely means being able to account the ruler. Muslims knows what it does not want, what it needs is still unclear to the people at the moment. Although there have been chants of “Allahu Akbar”, the call of Islam is just reemerging in the region, simply because West work very hard to removed it from public life and then the minds of the people upon the destruction of the Khilafah. Some Muslims, fearful of being labeled extremists have gone to great lengths to downplay any favor for Islam in governance while the Western media have reported events to support their bias for democracy. However, this should not lead to confusion. Muslims have risen, with Iman in their hearts. They’ve put their lives on the line facing tanks, jets, artillery, machine guns and snipers, chanting loudly that they want the fall of their regimes and that they want their rights. There is certainly more to democracy than elections and it should not surprise any of us that the people of a Muslim-majority region want Islam. Now imagine if one of the Muslim countries declares Khilafah tomorrow, what it will do to the Muslim uprisings (clear vision), because only Islam can fulfill their demands (Justice, equality, fairness in due process and economic growth)

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  • Mustafa
    Mar 9, 2012 - 3:58AM

    InshaAllah the Khilafah will come soon and we will see an end to these oppressive, corrupt and self serving men who consider themselves and their own interests above the people who they rule over.

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  • Mawlud Uddin
    Mar 9, 2012 - 2:10PM

    @ mumbai kid:
    here is something you should read!
    The southern state of Kerala had maritime business links with the Roman Empire from around 77 CE. Islam was introduced in Kerala through this route by Muslim traders. Muslim rule in the subcontinent began in 712 CE when the Arab general Muhammad bin Qasim conquered Sindh and Multan in southern Punjab in modern day Pakistan,[4] setting the stage for several successive invasions from Central Asia between the 10th and 15th centuries CE, leading to the formation of Muslim empires in the Indian subcontinent such as the Delhi Sultanate and the Mughal Empire.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HistoryofIndia

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  • MAHMOOD
    Mar 10, 2012 - 12:12PM

    @Mumbai Kid:
    {How about increasing your tolerance and not to forcefully shove your ideologies on others for a change}
    I am prepared to show tolerance for all those who are prepared to tolerate others. I am willing to grant human rights to all those who believe in human rights. It is a supreme irony that almost all the suspected terrorists have not been convicted as our justice system has not been able to declare them guilty. However Sufi Mohammad (TTP supporter, SWAT) openly declared that he does not believe in High court / Supreme Court.
    By the way, I fail to understand your locus standi and what exactly is your motive. If you are serious then please advise your Indian Govt. to stop pressurising Pak Govt. to take punitive action against Hafiz Saeed & Co since he cannot be convicted as per available evidence and court procedures which are common in Pakistan and India.

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  • Abdul hadi
    Mar 10, 2012 - 2:32PM

    May ALLAH save him..
    Brig.ALi Khan is person who sacrifice his career n life for the sake of Islam n the Khilafat (system of ALLAH)..
    capitalism n its rulling system Democracy has Failed..Now its time Reestablished caliphate..Recommend

  • Waqas
    Mar 10, 2012 - 2:34PM

    Brig.Ali Khan is much better than other army officer like Kayani n Pasha who safeguard US interest in the region..

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  • Mohammed
    Mar 10, 2012 - 3:27PM

    the khilafat/islamic system of government is the system implemented by Rasoolallah (saw) after the Hijrat to Madina. After Rasoolallah (saw) the khilafat continued until 1924. Allah has made it clear in the Quran that the only system/rules which are acceptable to Him are those which He has revealed.
    Islam totally rejects secularism/democracy/capitalism/socialism – all are man-made law.
    For this reason, and because I have read extensively about HuT, there philosophy and there methods, that i think this is a political party that can make a real change for Pakistan, in fact for the whole of the muslim world.
    They have an islamic constitution, an economic system that will make Pakistan a econimcaly strong country. One that will use it’s resources for the benefit of the people – not for the benefit of the ruling elite or the foreign companies. HuT have policies on social system, an education policy, foreign policy. They have a book on using gold as a means of currency.

    if anyone is serious about knowing about HuT I suggest you read their books, visit their websites and listen to their lectures. it is unfair to judge a group based on bias news reports and opposing political groups.

    Do a google search for hizb ut tahrir, and see what they say, then share your thoughts.

    salaam

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  • Imran
    Mar 10, 2012 - 7:06PM

    Its a well known fact that HUT is trying to topple down current democratic system since 2001. but I think, the current issue of Mr Ali is a created one by military to stop the activities of HUT inside the barracks of Pakistan. Last year thousands of leaflets of HUT were distributed inside cant areas of Pakistan against the chiefs of army, so may be it is a reaction of that activity. Media is also creating hype on this issue which may be a dictation from armed forces

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  • khan
    Mar 10, 2012 - 10:41PM

    What a joke we can not have one Eid in the same city and you think we can have one Khalifah for the entire Muslim world. We can not march backward to solve our problems we have to march forward and that way lies through education and Knowledge through this ingredient Allah SWT made mankind superior than angels.

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