The last time our economy received such a boost was when the Middle East oil boom got underway. We were able to tap into the lowest rungs of that boom by becoming an exporter of raw manpower. And those exports opened up a stream of remittances that have carried us through some of the most difficult periods in our economic history.
Now a boom is underway to our east, in India. And once again, we need to find a way to tap into this boom. The engagement this time will be a lot more complicated since it involves a two-way trade process in which some parties stand to gain and some to lose.
But a trade engagement with India makes far more sense than going to western countries and practically begging for ‘market access’. Think about the absurdity of it. We line up outside western capitals asking for preferential market access in the name of aid, ‘trade not aid please’, arguing that this is the best way to help the flood affectees or assist Pakistan bear the costs of the war on terror. Meanwhile, these same western countries are lining up for access to India’s growing market, from which we have voluntarily locked ourselves out for silly reasons!
The most logical thing to do is to open up a trade engagement with India and stop asking western countries for preferential market access. Of course, a trade engagement with India will require some homework from our end first and that’s something relatively too new to us.
For instance, when drawing up a ‘negative list’ of prohibited items for trade with India, the commerce ministry complains that industry representatives are slow to cooperate with the ministry in providing their input. The chambers of commerce for their part complain that individual industry players are slow to provide any input to the chamber leadership.
The fact is, our industry players have a hard time thinking about anything beyond very narrow and very short-term vested interests. They prefer to remain obsessed with the latest SRO from the Federal Board of Revenue or the direction of interest rates or latest gas allocations. Of course, all of these day-to-day matters are very important and deserve attention, but far too many industry players remain obsessed only with these sorts of things and are totally incapable of taking a broader view of things when asked to do so.
This is why the commerce ministry finds it so hard to get any input when drawing up the negative list. When they do draw up the list and present it before the cabinet for approval, protests are quick to materialise from industry quarters that they were ‘not consulted’.
Something along these lines is what appears to have happened during February 14’s cabinet meeting, when the commerce ministry was denied cabinet approval for its negative list of 636 items. It is not clear what exactly the objections were, but reports indicate that ministries of textiles and interior raised objections.
The interior ministry probably objected to some items it perceived as ‘sensitive’ or of a security nature that were not present on the list. Leave it up to interior, and chewing gum will be on the list, too, for being a ‘security threat’ for Pakistan. Never mind that suicide bombers are able to ply their trade with impunity within Pakistan without resort to any items imported from India. If only interior had a better track record in suppressing the traffic in bomb-making materials. But then again, suicide bombers don’t really seek cabinet approval before carrying out their acts, which doubtless, makes it difficult for the interior ministry to deny them permission!
The textiles ministry needs to simply be wound up. I don’t know anyone in the textile industry who thinks the ministry is serving any useful purpose at all. Perhaps, it should be demanded from them to produce a report on what their achievements have been thus far. I’d love to read through that report and write about it!
The fact of the matter is that the process of ‘stakeholder consultation’, which the commerce ministry has tried to implement while drawing up the negative list is something our government and industry reps are still unaccustomed to. It is one thing to travel the world in search of our next fix of cheap aid — whether preferential market access or budgetary support — but it’s another altogether to participate in a serious policy process that aims to anticipate and fine-tune a trade policy that will transform the fortunes of many groups. One big positive to come out of engagement with India is that we are learning to do the latter.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 16th, 2012.
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for a very long time India's trade progress was held hostage by our own industrial barons on the name of external threat of competition. Once we broke this shackle see where we are. To day for progress we have to come out and breath the world. Pakistan will do well to do so earliest.
@Shakir Lakhani: Disbelief and denial are two termites eating Pakistan. Regards. Have a nice day.
Well-written article. But, the comments from many readers suggest that they commit the same mistakes that the writer is against. If doing trade with India makes any business sense let Pakistan do business with its neighbor, or let them not do so. Why should readers on either side of the border get so worked up?
@Shakir Lakhani: India does make that many vehicles..come and check out the traffic jams in our metros!!!
@Shakir Lakhani: India's total trade is $ 620b. This could not be possible if we Indians were cheating. Also note that this trade figure does not include IT Services. India's biggest trading partner in 2010 -11 is Paksitan's good friend - UAE. At number 2 is Pakistan's all weather friend- China. You can go through the figures at the Government of India's site http://commerce.nic.in/eidb/default.asp
good article. hope more pakistanis think like you
Pakistan needs to open up its trade with India and derive maximum benefit to boost its economy. We as neighbours cannot remain enemies for ever and spend billions on defence to achieve parity with each other which is hurting Pakistan more than India. India's economy is quite stable since this country started its focus on the same more than two decades back and never looked back. Pakistan also needs to do the same now by focusing on trade with India, unwind its jihad industry and spend less on defence. Let be friends and not waste our resources and money on defence infrastructures.
@Ali Tanoli: What are you talking about? Arabs treat all Pakistanis like garbage
Pakistan has failed to derive any trade benefits even from its all weather friend, even more booming, China. Highly unlikely that it will benefit from trade with India. Nothing wrong with China or India. Problem lies elsewhere.
The reality of Indo-Pak trade is - India has not as much to gain from Pakistan trade, as Pakistan does. Pakistan has lower labor costs compared to India, and can provide products/services at a cheaper rate to India.
But, If Pakistan chooses not to trade with India, and continue its policy of covert war - Its its loss. India will continue to grow, as it has in past 2 decades. Pakistan can tag along or be left behind.
@Shakir Lakhani: Once our importers turn to India, our markets will be swamped with cheap and worthless medicines, useless chemicals and low-quality aluminum sheets. Please don’t fall for the smooth-talking Indian businessman, he is ruthless and without any scruples.
There is something called third party inspection. Nothing stops Pakistani importers from getting the goods certified before accepting them. It is standard international practice. No one is forced to buy merely by opening up trade channels. The question is does Pakistan have the confidence to outgrow its insecurities vis-a-vis India? And yes, India does indeed make 49,000 vehicles a day - two wheelers included. Hero Moto Corp is the world's largest manufacturer of two wheelers.
@ pollock ; I agree with u , we have significant percentage of poor people but not below the poverty line. remember one thing we are 121 crore people 1/6 th of the world population is in India.
@Shakir Lakhani: "Naresh: you do exaggerate a lot. India can’t be manufacturing so many vehicles (49,000 per day!). I don’t think even China produces that much"
Please remember he is talking about ALL automobiles 2 wheelers and 4 wheelers both for Pakistan and India. And yes India does manufacture that many cars + bikes + scooters +mopeds.
@meekal ahmed: I agree Meekal saab that since RBI is more independent of its political masters than SBP, it has the ability to exercise caution in the timing and size of interest rate cuts. The point however is that as disappointing as it is to be growing at 7% when we were getting ready to hit doule digit growth, the fact is that 7% growth despite such severe tightening and in presence of such ddifcult globall economic environment is heartening. At this point there is a big upside e.g. improved global scenario, reduced interest rate, improvement in infrastructure, several significant governance reforms that are ready to get legislated (Direct taxes act, companies act, land acquisition act etc.). There is limited downside at this time which makes me believe that India has put the historical 3.5% growth rate firmly behind it.
Incidentally you stated " No 200% basis point cut ". This must have been a tyo because it is a 2% or 200 basis points cut. Not 200%. You ofcourse are aware of this but just putting this out there for some others in case it helps.
@Shakir Lakhani: @Naresh: you do exaggerate a lot. India can’t be manufacturing so many vehicles (49,000 per day!). I don’t think even China produces that much.
Shakir, you should look up facts - its not that hard via a search engine. Naresh even provided the link. China's production is over 42 million vehicles. India's is over 17 million and Pakistan's is about a million.
@Pollack: Yup
why would Pakistan need India? They have their own china..
@Ram: am I the only one in this forum who understands zaid hameeds sarcasm?
@Harry Stone: No. It's not. It's just growing but relatively it's prosperity is more broadly based than India but it still can't be considered as booming unless u are using that word very loosely.
There is no altruistic reasons for us to have any trade relationship with Pakistan, same is true for Pakistan. Pakistan is always free not to trade with India. May be in that process, we may lose one market for our goods & services and source of cheaper material. Why are Indians on this msg board worked up to justify or drive home to others how much is India progressing ? Let us live and let Live...! We have so much else to do, besides just writing on India's progress on such msg boards.
@Naresh: you do exaggerate a lot. India can't be manufacturing so many vehicles (49,000 per day!). I don't think even China produces that much.
@meekal ahmed: Thank you sir, I think Pakistan can grow faster then India if only the security situation was better, i say this becoz it can access energy at lower prices from CAR, also it can in the future act as conduit for mineral riches from CAR.
I simply fail to understand why India is so interested in giving access to its trillion dollar retail market to Pakistan? what is India getting in return? peace? Are we sure that pakistan wont cause more trouble once its economy strengthens ? Gareebi mein to naak mein dam kar rakha hai duniya ka, what will they do when they have money like Sauds??? As Anand Sharma says, we are anyways selling to pakistan albiet via dubai... so we are anyways making the profits...why India wants to subsidize it for Pakistan which is hurting itself?
@anish:
Well said. Wish more Indians are optimistic and forward looking than being stuck in the past and pessimisitic. I grew up there so I do know how it was. I left becuase there wasn't any opportunity. If the situattion was the same then, there is no chance I would have left!
@Ali Tanoli : "Being Arabs better than being nothing…. proud arab pakistani."
why not proud Indo-Pakistani like Indo-Americans or Indo-Chinese ? Don't you think that will be a much better identity?
@Naresh:
CORRECTION :
Pakistan’s Total ON THE ROAD Automobile Population As Estimated in June 2010-2011 per the Pakistan Economic Survey 2010-2011 : 10,443,779.
Sorry for the Word "Million"
@Zaid Hamid: This sily attitude only kills the PAK!
Alhamdolillah! Finally someone talking sense. Pakistan must develop the will to do business with India, because this is the only way forward. Put aside this misplaced arrogance and embrace our neighbour. Remember the Pakistan we want to leave behind for our young ones.
Love and goodwill to all both sides of the border
More business = more opportunities = more jobs =less poverty = less terrorism =more peace Don't be panic about change ---welcome it wholeheartedly
@ ET readers
lets talk economics coz thats going to define the coming times......and a fervent request to my fellow indians......if some people want to run us down, let them do it. After all the proof of the pudding remains in its eating.........
@Lakhnauvati: In case you missed it........mono rail made its first trial run in Mumbai yesterday and I can assure you Sir, it does not come fitted with a scooter engine :)
regards from India
@Lakhnauvati:
Are you Right or are you….?
So let us start with Automobiles.
Pakistan’s Total ON THE ROAD Automobile Population As Estimated in June 2010-2011 per the Pakistan Economic Survey 2010-2011 : 10,443,779 Million
India’s total PRODUCTION of Automobiles for the Year 2010-2011 as per the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers : 17,916,035.
URL : http://www.siamindia.com/scripts/production-trend.aspx
In other words the “‘huge lorry fitted with a scooter’s engine’ … showcased as a ‘great success’ … this lorry is decorated, painted, polished to show the poor Indians as ‘shining India’!!” Manufactures Annually NEARLY Twice the Number of Automobiles ON THE ROAD in Pakistan.
Which other Industry of POOR INDIA would you like to Compare with that of the Highly Developed and “RICH PAKISTAN”?
Have a Nice Day!
Growth is sharply down all across Asia as they struggle with over-heating pressures. Whether the tightening cycle is over depends on individual country circumstances and what level of inflation they consider to be politically acceptable.
The RBI may have room to cut but I think it will be done cautiously. No 200% basis point cut like we have had in Pakistan with inflation still stuck in double-digits and threatening to rise further.
@Pollack:
So China is not booming either.........OK
Zaid Hamid: Two nation theory proscribes trade with India??
That's new! And dumb by even your standards.
@Pollack:
So, in the 1990s China did not boom as they had huge poverty then, right?
In 10 years they halved that number, didn't they! Same is expected of India. In 20 years it has halved it, the next halving will happen in the next 10.
India is booming, brother, like it or not!
@Shakir Lakhani: I suppose Pakistanis can sell them metals and chemicals then. Are they buying from Pakistan??
Being Arabs better than being nothing…. proud arab pakistani.
A lament for ones own doubtful ancestry..
Progress will only come with peace and good will and trade could be the best starting point. Lets hope to see some positive changes in Indo-Pak relations in our life time.
@Meekal Ahmed
The 13 interest rate hikes in India have made inflation fall to 6%. Expect the central bank to cut the rates in coming months. Growth will pick up again in next fiscal.
@Ram: What difference does it make to economy/trade in using Lakhs and crores? US uses fps system while most of the world uses metric system. Does it effect US economy (though this should in terms of basic nut and bolt threading). Point is Mr. Ram don't be silly. Comment on something that is relevant to issue.
@Ali Tanoli:
But, Tanolis are Central Asians, possibly of Turkic origins. So, what does that make you? :-)
Where there is a will there is a way. Everything is possible but progress will come only with commitment.
You simply can't trust Indians. I've met businessmen in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka who complained about the bad quality of Indian chemicals and metals. Instead of supplying the approved quality, Indians have this habit of cheating their buyers and giving them inferior stuff. Once our importers turn to India, our markets will be swamped with cheap and worthless medicines, useless chemicals and low-quality aluminum sheets. Please don't fall for the smooth-talking Indian businessman, he is ruthless and without any scruples.
Good article. I think that most of the political leadership across different parties is gearing towards better relationships with India despite what Difae-e-Pakistan folks think, which is a good sign...However, I would like to point out one aspect of your article that I didn't understand much...which is that since western countries are lining up outside India...we can short-cut the process by focusing on India ourselves...I think it is the issue of comparative advantage...we and India both are targeting west for low-technology products (except few medium to high tech products / services from India and China) while they are targeting emerging markets (including India, China, and Pakistan) for high-technology products...so the comparison truly does not hold
@Pollack: We would all love the growth in India to be not only higher but more importantly, broadbased. However that does not decrease the significance of the growth that is happening. We hope that the people of our countries recognize that each other's growth need not have to be at the cost of the other. There is enough for each to complement the other's growth. What needs to be done is to break the shackles that have bound the region for so long. Let us go beyond stated positions and give peace a chance.
@Pollack: People like you will always provide reasons for "why india is not booming" and "why India will be doomed"
Remember 15 years back analysts in America had same opinion about china... but this time they are wise enough to accept the rise of the rest i.e. BRIC economy..
Start accepting the reality before it is too late..
@Ali Tanoli: there is a difference between being Arab and being arabized. What do you think you are?
@Zaid Hamid
'Unacceptable?' quite an expected response from you. You don't mind begging from the US but when it comes to earning your keep, that's taboo for you. The general feeling all around the world is Pakistan doesn't need external enemies to destroy it, people like you are more than adequate.
No country can be considered as booming if a significant percentage of its population is living under the poverty line. Maybe it's more accurate to say that a small section of the populations prosperity is booming.
@meekal ahmed: Growth has slumped alarmingly.
Yes, but slumped to 7% (from 9%). Which I only wish we can achieve in the next 3 years. I'm all for out-competing them, but I don't get our offhand dismissal of numbers, as if denying them will make them go away. Given how much their central bank has clamped on credit supply to tame inflation, that's still a very repectable growth rate. Also keep in mind that high interest rates gives them an option to cut rates to fuel growth if needed -- most other economies have already cut rates to deal with the downturn and don't have much more of a floor left.
@Sajid: Oh you mean the same pti that said we should learn from the indians, ok mr. Ignorant.
@meekal ahmed: It is still growing at 7-8% when most of the world is in recession. Even at that rate, the Indian economy will double from it's current size in next 10 years. Not bad for a economy that is not booming!
@meekal ahmed: Sir do you think RBi is a alarmist of sorts your views would be appreciated what could other alternatives
@Lakhnauvati:
Nobody in the world is listening to you... even if you burn yourself becuase of of this hate nobody will listen.. meanwhile Toshiba inaugurated the turbine manufacturing plat in Chennai... Infosys is investing 600 Cr rs. in Indore,MP to set up the new development center.. My company Oracle has just opened the plush new office in Bangalore to accommodate extra 6000 people ... Nissan of japan is setting up Light weight commercial vehicles plant in south India .. and mahindra & mahindra stopped taking further bookings for their new indiginiously developed XUV5OO because of overwhelming response and last accenture has also opened new center in Hyderabad for extra 5000 people..... BTW my dad was one of those india's poor you are flaunting out ... but unfortunately for you.. I don't need to drive auto rickshaw around like my father did ... because of these opportunities.. Oh you can say all these are cheap labor or menial jobs .. you are entitled to keep your opinions and be happy about it in denials .. but India is growing and it will grow whether you like it or not ...
@John B, Being Arabs better than being nothing.... proud arab pakistani.
Absolutely right..very sensible article..
Hopefully, India too will see some positive changes as a result of this engagement. For starters, how about India moving away from the antiquated (and non-standard) "lakhs" and "crores". I don't see Pakistanis using that anymore (at least in the English media that I know of) but Indians persist in their arrogant and head-in-the-sand usage of these terms.
@John B: first of all pak likes to think it has arab origins but arabs never consoder pakis as arabs...Second india and pak do not have same culture...India does not promote culture of violence and intolerence like pakis do...India is widely respected but pak is rediculed everywhere.THe only GDP and export of pak is terror...so there is absolutely no similarity between india and pak except maybe they look similar...and if india links to pak it has to take extra care to ensure that when pak selfdestructs india is unscathed..
Thank you. You made some wonderful points. I would like to also point out that the window of opportunity to improve trade relations with India is not going to remain indefinitely open. Indians have been observing that they seem to be unilaterally giving and Pakistan seems to be unilaterally taking (with promises of reciprocity not fulfilled). SOme examples : 1) India gave Pakistan MFN in 1996. Pakistan is yet to reciprocate 2) India withdrew its objection to preferential market access for Pak textiles to Europe even though such access clearly comes at the cost of Indian exports to Europe 3) India has agreed to review and revamp non-tarriff barriers to Pak goods.
So far it has received nothing from Pak in return except empty promises to belatedly give India the MFN status at some future unspecified date.
We had seen a similar lack of reciprocity to India's goodwil gestures by Pak in the past as 1) Vajpayee signed a peace treaty and Pak did Kargill. 2) India has committed to 'No first Use' of nuclear weapons against Pakistan since 1998 and 14 years later Pak is yet to reciprocate.
At some point Indian people and press will protest (just as they did after Sharm-El-Sheikh) and the Indian government will find it difficult to continue making these unilateral goodwil gestures to Pakistan in the area of trade.
I agree with everything you have said -- as I usually do -- except for the title.
India is not booming anymore as the central bank has raised interest rates 13 times in an effort to quell inflation.
Growth has slumped alarmingly.
All said and done.. is there political willingness to improve trade ties with India? Lets start with the issue of 'most favoured' status. Nobody has forgotten how foreign office made a fool of itself by going back and forth on whether MFN has been given to India. First, let there be willingness and positive attitude in leadership... drawing up negative and positive lists is a trivial thing that will follow. Ceasing support for cross-border terrorism does not hurt either...
Indian economy; 'a huge lorry fitted with a scooter's engine' ... showcased as a 'great success' ... this lorry is decorated, painted, polished to show the poor Indians as 'shining India'!! ... chances of India's miniscule economic engine to make any difference to millions of poor and hungry are zilch ... even the 'tipping point' for a change is beyond them ...
... the author is advised to come to India ... at least ... and see the Real India ... beyond what is showcased ...
Unacceptable. According to two nation theory there cannot be any kind of trade with India or Israel. USA is an exception if it is giving aid.
Ball is Pakistan's court for last 16 years since India granted MFN status to her. I have strong doubts that Pakistan will ever be able grant MFN status to India. Pakistan's policies are dictated in Difa-E-Pakistan rallies after all. Will Hafiz Saeed and Hamid Guls let Pakistan trade with India? Trade or no trade, Indians are happy either way. Will all the problems India-China trade has crossed US$ 74.00 billions. It will reach US$ 100.00 within a year I am sure. Even with your best friends China and Saudi Arab, we have much better trade relations. Even India and Saudi Arab defense relation is on the upswing. Pakistan's salvation rests with her people and not outside.
Said several times earlier:
Despite PAK being "Arab" origin, PAK and India have the same monsoon season,similar growing season, grow similar food, similar culinary taste, music taste, art, clothing (at least women and children), similar crafts, and others. The contiguous land mass and interconnected road and railway network is a screaming to be exploited by both sides.
The trade is only in PAK benefits in terms of export, and it is only in India's benefit in terms of India's imports to meet the deficiency of the domestic production.
Cattle from India can provide a huge source of food supply chain to PAK and her western neighbors and any surplus agricultural produce can be easily moved on both sides without perishing.
The excess cotton of PAK can be sent to Indian mills rather than to China at cheaper costs or made into finished goods if PAK can meet her energy demand.
The entire India is under reconstruction and demand will sustain for another hundred years in all sectors and India cannot meet the demand all by herself. PAK will also grow two times in next 50 years and she cannot meet her deficiency by herself.
If PAK misses the trade opportunity with India, other S.E. Nations will take advantage of the vacuum. PAK has more to gain than India in this trade relationship in terms of export earning.
Impossible as long as there is support for LeT, JuD, TTP, and of course PTI.
The following article on the BBC about how German companies bet on China's rise in 1974 has paid off for them so well. They take the long term view..which we are badly lacking, instead our economic and industrialist elite ply their trade lobbying for protectionist policies. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17017217