Balochistan and freedom

Published: February 11, 2012
The writer is a lawyer and partner at Ijaz and Ijaz Co in Lahore

The writer is a lawyer and partner at Ijaz and Ijaz Co in Lahore [email protected]

It has to be alarming when one feels compelled to resort to George Orwell so often when talking about the prevailing state of affairs. Nevertheless, Orwell wrote a brilliant essay titled, “In front of your nose”, articulating what he believed to be the real singular challenge in critical thought and hence life. His contention was that it is always a consistent struggle and often the hardest to see and acknowledge what is just in front of one’s nose. Orwell writes, “…we are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.” Let these words sink in, and now think about Balochistan.

The US congressional hearing is both reassuring and distressing. It is comforting to see that the murder, pillage and strangulation in Balochistan have now been able to attract attention, even if only outside the country. The only worrying aspect is because it was a ‘US’ congressional hearing, those stubborn or malicious enough to deny the evidence and findings need no more than to say it was conducted by the US and then go off on a tangent about half baked notions of imperialism and sovereignty, unfortunate and silly, but such are the times and the place that we live in. Although the hearing did not and realistically could not propose a strategy or a solution, it did bring to light that violence and oppression is not sustainable for long, Balochistan is no longer the black hole our establishment believed it to be. In essence what was always in front of our nose has been shoved right in our face, making it ethically impossible to miss it now.

To say that murder and even rape in Balochistan does not have the same sting in our national conversation as the same things happening in Lahore or Islamabad is an understatement to the point of saying almost nothing at all. The gulf is fantastic, having almost surreal proportions. The congressional hearing had one unavoidable background question i.e. do the Baloch have a right to self determination. The question is not new, yet meticulous care is exercised to evade or at the very least substantially water it down to an insinuation. The lengths that people would go to avoid the mere mention of this question is outstanding. One phrase that we do not hear in our discourse is “the Baloch struggle for freedom”, admittedly an arresting expression. Complete self-determination is a largely empirical question contingent upon ethnic diversity, history and geography. I have neither the expertise nor is the question susceptible to be answered in an opinion piece. Yet why is the discussion not taking place in Pakistan. It is probably because even those who are vocally opposed to the outright use of force and terror find at least one possible answer to the question of self-determination almost too grim to contemplate.

The demolition of human rights in Balochistan and the crushing repression cannot be ascribed to caprice. If one is able to get passed the sheer cynicism of the situation, there is a brute fact to be confronted, that being that it is very principled, the principle being preserving the integrity of Pakistan. What remains unclear is the cost that we are willing to incur or more accurately wreak to ensure this preserving. It is a tragedy in both the historical senses of the word. The Greek connotation of tragedy is one where a protagonist possesses a fatal flaw, whereas Hegel believed it be a conflict of two competing rights. The tragic flaw here is a passionate yet mindless adherence to the national ideology, disregarding the pain being suffered and inflicted. The two competing rights are the maintenance of a pretense of national solidity and the right of a people to govern them. In both these interpretations, the perpetrators of the violence in Balochistan, which mind you is inching towards genocide every day, are at peace with themselves, since they are doing it for a higher imperative. This contentment while committing murder reminds one of Jean Martin Charcot, a teacher of Freud who once in clinical description of neurosis famously used the phrase “le beau calme de l’hysterique” (The beautiful calm of the hysteric).

The unwillingness to admit or consider the fact that in regards to Baluchistan we may have taken a wrong turn or perhaps were on the wrong road to begin with cannot be compensated for by travelling faster or more viciously. The question is fast becoming foreseeable, what moral position would one take if and when the largely state sponsored use of force became an obvious genocide or when the case for a humanitarian intervention became an arguably justified one. Fairly forbidding thoughts are they not. Yet that might be the price of ignorance or silence.

The situation in Balochistan is approaching with rapid pace, if it has not already reached the point where it makes a mockery of all armchair, generalist analysis. Is the situation still salvageable or redeemable? I don’t know. However there is a simple, though not easy way to find out. Talk to the Baloch, all of them. Violence and the threat of it by anyone, including Baloch nationalists should be condemned unequivocally. Yet I find it repellent that those who will get all mushy when advocating chatting up homicidal fanatics, murdering for the sake of murder, suddenly lose their zeal for the art of conversation when it comes to Baloch nationalist, even those who have taken up arms. There is one indispensible pre-requisite or condition for any such talk to materialise and certainly to achieve anything, which is acknowledging the utterly uncomfortable and unnerving possibility that they might not be successful and in that case we will be able to respect that.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 12th, 2012.

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Reader Comments (67)

  • faraz saad
    Feb 11, 2012 - 10:31PM

    Why is there never any condemnation of the deliberate murders of punjabi and urdu speaking civilians in balochistan? why does the popular narrative always ignore their deaths? there are dozens of blogs,opinion pieces,editorials on the injustices being done to the balochs,why no media person ever speaks up for the injustices done to the punjabi settlers in balochistan? hundreds have been systematically murdered to convey the message to the remaining that they must also flee balochistan or they would be killed.doctors,businessmen,teachers, all have been hunted down and killed but no one condemns it,no one is bothered over these deaths,all the sympathy,all the media coverage is for the balochs,none for the punjabi and urdu speakers’ death.are the punjabis children of a lesser god?


  • danish khan
    Feb 11, 2012 - 10:36PM

    The popular sentiment these days is one of glorifying tribal sardars.these sardars are the very ones who killed young women a few years ago by burying them alive and then were unashamed enough to say it on tv that this is our culture.these tribal sardars being lionesed by the twitterati are the ones who have kept their tribespeople like slaves.yet,they are being treated as messiahs sent from heaven.our sympathies should be with the common people of balochistan who have suffered a lot over the years.the basic necessities which we enjoy in the rest of the country are things which these people have never even seen.the things we take for granted are things our brothers in parts of balochistan have never experienced.the violence in balochistan must end.this culture of slaves and tribal masters must end.The murders of baloch as well as punjabi and urdu speaking people are equally condemnable.


  • Apolitically political
    Feb 11, 2012 - 10:38PM

    Saroop: You are the difference. You are different. Please stay unchanged! :)


  • Chengez K
    Feb 11, 2012 - 10:40PM

    We should do everything we can do for Baluchistan….Build 1 million new houses –one house for every household in Baluchistan

    Pakistan government & politicians, military must build dialogue & development to the highest level, however another reality cannot be denied which , U.S congress hearing has brought in open …that we are at war of survival against those who control American policies.

    American long term aims require a broken Baluchistan through which NATO can access central Asia, deny Gwadar to China & bring destruction over Iran.

    We must quickly build regional coalition with China,Iran & if possible Russia with the aim of ejecting NATO at the earliest from Afghanistan.

    As long as CIA rules Afghanistan they will not let peace return to Baluchistan…


  • Nadir
    Feb 11, 2012 - 10:41PM

    Best line: I find it repellent that those who will get all mushy when advocating chatting up homicidal fanatics, murdering for the sake of murder, suddenly lose their zeal for the art of conversation when it comes to Baloch nationalist


  • Feb 11, 2012 - 11:32PM

    Calm down .. calm down … All is well in Balochistan… Army is taking care of will do it successfully like it did back in 70’s …. No worries worries.. I repeat…Stay with Army.. don’t be gaddar…
    –Chacha Zaid Hamid


  • Parvez
    Feb 11, 2012 - 11:39PM

    An interesting but disturbing read.


  • Anonymous
    Feb 11, 2012 - 11:43PM

    Balochs have become harsh with very valid reasons. Now its responsiblity of all institutions of state to help government in calming down and re aproach them. Baluchistan is one gem in our crown and cant afford losing it!Recommend

  • Feb 12, 2012 - 12:42AM

    Baloch certainly have right of self determination, however Baloch people need to understand that so called freedom will bring more misery for them, firstly they are minority in Balochistan second certain neighbouring and international powers may try to control Balochistan which will result in unrests for decades to come.


  • Maria
    Feb 12, 2012 - 1:23AM

    @Ali-Wali: The truth is that most Baluch are still pro Pakistan. There are more Baluch living in provinces outside Baluchistan than in the province itself. Every Baluch I have ever met in Karachi is pro Pakistani- the same for every Baluch I have met in Islamabad. What is true is that state incompetence has allowed foreign agencies and agents to fund and connive with anti state tribes and groups who are the minority. These criminals often cross from Afghanistan and are on the payroll of Indian intelligence agency RAW. Unless Pakistan seals the border along Afghanistan and integrates more Baluch into the civil service and army, these foreign paid criminals will continue their games.


  • hopelesspak
    Feb 12, 2012 - 1:37AM

    Mr. Faraz, this is the main problem. When Balochistan’s issue is getting importance, you all have to bring up something that highlights the “plight” of Punjabis. Yes, killing everyone is wrong. But have you realised who is behind all of this? An eye for an eye ends up in making the whole world blind.


  • Daniyal
    Feb 12, 2012 - 1:40AM

    I wonder if the US has had a congressional hearing on Kashmir, where human rights abuses have also been happening. Kashmir has a strong stance in self-determination.


  • Mir Agha
    Feb 12, 2012 - 3:37AM

    No one sane should dispute the right of any perceived community or identity to their right of self-determination. Yes, Balochistan should have it, as should anyone else. It calls for maturity from all sides involved, sadly lacking. The issue i have with Saroop’s opinion is that it is giving way too much credence to an obvious mock trial, given the obvious anti-Pak undertones to the congressmen involved, and dismissing the rational concerns people have about the characters involved in the hearing and the amateurish motives behind it. Will the hearing solve anything? No. Just an easy out for “the establishment” to associate the nationalists with a foreign-backed delusion, only leading to more police action and the subsequent moaning from the separatists. Sherry Rehman, characterized the “hearing” in an apt manner.


  • Hammad Khan
    Feb 12, 2012 - 5:38AM

    Nice thoughts. Thanks for sharing!


  • Atiq
    Feb 12, 2012 - 6:08AM

    I condemn human rights abuses anywhere, but I fully support the killing of anyone that targets Pakistanis and Pakistan such as TTP, BLA, BRA etc.

    Saroop et all, condemn Pakistan talking to the taliban and refuse to acknowledge the concept of good and bad taliban but would advise us to talk to the very people who’s stated goal is to break up Pakistan

    I wonder if all the new found sympathy for Balochistan is related to the US Ambassador’s admission that the US has “strategic interests” in Balochistan some months ago


  • Khan Jr
    Feb 12, 2012 - 7:25AM

    You are right in making that analogy. The horror now taking place in Balochistan is perhaps no different to what is taking place in Kashmir.


  • narayana murthy
    Feb 12, 2012 - 8:45AM

    @Daniyal who asks “I wonder if the US has had a congressional hearing on Kashmir, where human rights abuses have also been happening. Kashmir has a strong stance in self-determination. “

    The case of Kashmir is a simply bigoted one. Mostly fueled by Pakistan, some kashmiris want a separation based on religion. This bigoted idea will not be encouraged by anyone.


  • John B
    Feb 12, 2012 - 9:35AM

    “firstly they are minority in Balochistan”

    How can Baloch be minority in Balochistan?

    Balochistan people were complaining that there has been a systematic settlement of people from Punjab to marginalize them.

    Balochistan is Pakistan’s Achilles Heel and at present Pakistan is very close to touching it.


  • Feroz
    Feb 12, 2012 - 10:14AM

    Excellent even handed piece written by the author. The comments from readers will be very defensive.


  • Aamir
    Feb 12, 2012 - 10:49AM

    Story of Baluchistan is being projected out of proportion these days without even mentioning a bigger problem of Kashmir. Why our media is becoming loud speaker of the west??? seems fishy to me.

    Baluchistan is a serious problem and need immediate address but we should not tell one sided story. When Tamil tigers were defeated by Sri Lankans nobody supported Tamils because they were fighting war against a legitimate government. A peaceful struggle is justified but killing teachers, doctors and innocent civilians is not freedom fight, it is greed.


  • muhammad jibran
    Feb 12, 2012 - 11:03AM


    the genocide of punajbis in balochistan is part of the ‘balochistan issue’ .when the media completely ignores the deliberate murders of one ethnicity and gives hour upon hour of airtime and print space to to another,then it deserves to be pointed out.look at the media coverage over the last year,how many times has the plight of the settlers been mentioned ?


  • Lubna
    Feb 12, 2012 - 11:21AM

    Ah, how the sheep look up to ‘Amrika the savior and champion of rights’. What about the millions slaughtered in Iraq or America’s cozying up to the Uzbek dictator aka ‘the butcher’. The list goes on… Would somebody please hold hearings on these matters?Recommend

  • wonderer
    Feb 12, 2012 - 12:05PM

    A very well-written and timely piece. Pakistan has very little time to waste.

    It seems that what is happening in Baluchistan is not very well known by anyone. The debate on the subject, thus, tends to get confused. I notice that whenever anyone raises this issue, the Punjabis angrily, and justifiably, ask why no one is talking about the killing of Punjabis? Some, surprisingly, aver that killing of the Baluch is justified in view of the killing of Punjabis. This is a vey twisted argument which is dangerous. Just because so many people are being killed shows that there is something seriously wrong. The army, which seems to be very active, must do all it can to stop this dangerous slide into anarchy.

    I am reminded of what happened in East Pakistan in 1971 (I was there), and can see similarities. Everyone knows the end result of that. If something similar happened in this case it will not help to blame India, or others. It is time to wake up!

    The following video by Al-Jazsira is very informative.


  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 12, 2012 - 12:34PM

    @Apolitically political:

    “Saroop: You are the difference. You are different. Please stay unchanged!”

    Yes, he is. But I wish he changes his writing style a little bit and use less complicated language to help keep the reader’s focus on the subject rather than distracting with his prowess of the language.


  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 12, 2012 - 1:03PM


    “The comments from readers will be very defensive.”

    Doesn’t like so, after viewing the readers’ comments


  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 12, 2012 - 2:13PM

    You are the honour and pride of the Pakistani nation.


  • Feb 12, 2012 - 3:01PM

    @John B: Baloch make up 40% of the population in Balochistan, Pashtun are majority with 50%, also there are Bruhi, Punjabi and Hazara minorities as well.


  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 12, 2012 - 3:05PM

    @let there be peace:

    “from some unmentionable poisonous tree”

    Well, if you do not have the courage to mention the names of the poisonous tree, I do it for you. These were Sardar Patel and Jawaharlal Nehru who pushed Mr. Jinnah and the great philosopher poet Iqbal to demand for a separate homeland for Muslims. Previously Jinnah was bestowed upon the title of “The Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity”, and Iqbal wrote your famous national poem “Saaray Jahan say Accha, Hindustan Hamara”. The reason for pushing Muslims away was simple; they thought it would divide and weaken the Muslims which would allow “them” to easily control the rest of the Subcontinent. This was the reason most Muslim religious leaders were against the partition of India as this would also clip their religious fiefdoms.

    For enlightenment, please please check this link.


  • major-ji
    Feb 12, 2012 - 4:33PM

    When some one is in power the sense of being mighty dominates all other senses. Sense to evaluate rationality, reasonable argumentation and logic also gets suppressed due to predominant prevailing sense of power. Same is happening with Baluchistan problem. S Ejaz has very nicely anlaysed the whole situation and has suggested reasonable measures to get out of this mess. Unfortunately, in Pakistan, those in mighty power are not in a mood to listen any thing. So one can only pray and wait.


  • Chengez K
    Feb 12, 2012 - 4:47PM

    All Pakistani are brothers…..


  • ahmed
    Feb 12, 2012 - 4:51PM

    @Ali-Wali: Whenever the issue of Baloochistan pops up, pakistanis are quick to remind… kashmir human right abuses are not that big, as it has been portrayed in pakistani media… And in India, people are allowed to criticize, protest and do whatever they want to do about kashmir. And remember unlike baloochistan, kashmiri separtists are not killed. In fact most of them have big houses and holds properties in delhi. And their children study in India or abroad… it’s all politics stupid !!!

    In fact, police atrocities are widespread in whole subcontinent. It is just that it’s gets more publicity when it is about Kashmir. This is unfortunate and police needs to be disciplined…


  • The Missing Baloch
    Feb 12, 2012 - 5:05PM

    Dear don’t dip your head in the sand like an ostrich. As far as the population in Balochistan is concerned, brohis are very much baloch and baloch are currently 60% of the total population. The state adopted a futile policy to convert baloch into minority by settling Afghans here, but Alhamdulillah by the grace of Allah we are still in majority. And that policy too is now paying back to you. However i want to end this debate of majority/minority once for all and that is that the a Balochistan which the baloch aspire does not include “pashtoon areas”. Despite of hundreds of neighborhood we both nations still dwell on our own lands.So please stop the establishments propaganda of baloch minority. It is the time for introspection otherwise you will mourn for the rest of life loosing east wing and then the west wing.


  • A.Khan
    Feb 12, 2012 - 5:15PM

    stop just writing about it…do something more. May be arrange some events and invite people from their so that they can reflect their thoughts.


  • salman
    Feb 12, 2012 - 5:44PM

    Instead of pointing out double standards of US it is time for some sole searching. Blaming others will not solve the problem.


  • G. Din
    Feb 12, 2012 - 5:51PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    “But I wish he changes his writing style a little bit and use less complicated language to help keep the reader’s focus on the subject rather than distracting with his prowess of the language.”
    Didn’t know that “prowess of the language” was a disability of sorts!
    Then:“@Feroz:“The comments from readers will be very defensive.”Doesn’t like so, after viewing the readers’ comments”
    Did you mean “Doesn’t look so” instead of “Doesn’t like so”?
    Then: “@Maria:You are the honour and pride of the Pakistani nation.”
    Suddenly, everything was clear!
    To the author: “Yet I find it repellent…”
    Perhaps you meant “repelling” rather than “repellant”. The latter is an adjective. You needed an adverb!


  • wonderer
    Feb 12, 2012 - 5:52PM


    I support what you say, but would like to add the following:

    The problem the Kashmiri police faces is that it is very difficult to distinguish between peace loving Kashmiris and Pakistani agents. Sometime genuine mistakes take place. The Police is on the whole well trained and disciplined. There are no willfully committed atrocities.


  • Cynical
    Feb 12, 2012 - 6:28PM

    @zaid hamid

    You can’t be serious.Get real.


  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 12, 2012 - 7:11PM

    @G. Din:
    Thank you for the correction, my typing sucks.


  • Babbarsher khan
    Feb 12, 2012 - 7:47PM

    Hypocrisy knows no limit! Who are we to tell Baluch that they have no right of self determination? We could support right of self determination in near in Kashmir and far in Palestine but not in Baluchistan! Where did we get this double standards from, born this way, to quote Lady Gaga?


  • Pakistani
    Feb 12, 2012 - 7:52PM

    The situation in Baluchistan is the Echo of General Musharaf’s Ultimatum; ” We can hit you on top of the mountain” Had the Army leadership was enough thoughtful before raiding their own people, the situation in Baluchistan, K.P, or Bangal would never arouse to this point of no return.


  • r p
    Feb 12, 2012 - 8:10PM

    Balochistaan is integral part of Pakistan ….pak gov. should take care of it….so much that


  • Homa
    Feb 12, 2012 - 8:13PM


    Very informative al jazzera video. Thanks for the link.


  • IndianDude
    Feb 12, 2012 - 8:34PM

    @Truth Seeker, please ignore comments made by @let there be peace. He does not represent majority Indian opinion.

    “… Mr. Jinnah and the great philosopher poet Iqbal to demand for a separate homeland for Muslims….”
    As an Indian I celebrate Mr. Jinnah’s birthday as a savior of Modern India. We are grateful that he was able to separate the current lot called pakistani/pakistan from India. I shudder to think what would be current state of india with all those feudal and tribals running around! Majority in India dont regrets division. Just dont pay use unfriendly, un welcomed visit like the on in mumbai.


  • Ayesha
    Feb 12, 2012 - 8:34PM

    I wonder why no hearings were conducted during the past insurgencies in balochistan? Does this hearing have to do with events hapening next door in Afghanistan. Mr. Ijaz America’s sudden interest has to do more with it’s own interests in the region, not beause they have any soft corner in theirhearts for the Balochs. Americas own closets are jam packed with skeletons that no hearings can even come to term with. Remember Nicaragua? Chile’s Allende? Zaire’s Mobuto? I can go on for everRecommend

  • Feb 12, 2012 - 9:12PM

    @The Missing Baloch: I am never an establishment’s troll, Ok lets leave numbers aside, still I can not see myself crying for the rest of my life on this issue. Violent freedom will render a sizeable portion of your population mentally unstable and like so called mujahdeen, there is high chance of Balochis turning on each other. I know there is a strong sense of deprivation among Baloch population, however Baloch are free from most laws that apply to mortal Punjabis or Sindhis, your brother in Iran have to abide by laws on every step of their existance. My advice is think hard before you wish for anything. @ahmed: I do not think you understand what I am talking about, firstly if India is doing bad things to Kashmiris then it does not give anyone the licence to mistreat Balochis. Baloch are our brothers, may be this love is one sided, still it is very much there. I am well wisher of Balochs, that’s why I do not want uncertain future for them. God bless all peace loving, honest and hard working Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Straight_Talk
    Feb 12, 2012 - 10:33PM

    @Ali-Wali: Its not Bruhi. Its Brahui.

    @Daniyal: If Balochistan has to be compared with Kashmir then It has to be taken up in the UN, not just in a US congressional hearing. Pakistan will have to accept Balochistan to be a dispute as it sees kashmir to be one. Further like Kashmir, no Pakistani except a Baloch and may be some Hazaras and Pashtoons who have lived there for generations should be allowed to own land or stay permanently in Balochistan. No non-Baloch Pakistani male can own a land or a house in Balochistan by marrying a Baloch girl as similar laws are there in India for Kashmir. If Balochistan has to be compared with Kashmir a lot has to change in Pakistan’s approach to Balochistan.


  • Straight_Talk
    Feb 12, 2012 - 10:54PM

    Pakistan came into being by exercising the right to self-determination. It supports the right to self-determination of the Kashmiris, Palestinians. But it is silent about Baloch right to self-detemination. It is similarly silent about the right to self-determination of the Tibetans and Uighurs.This is height of opportunism.


  • Feb 12, 2012 - 11:39PM

    Dear Saroop Ijaz, Your column on problem in Baluchistan Is fair and even handed.I read the history of sub-continent from 1857,and I found some very interesting issues.One,Hindu/Muslim unity and co-existance was not complete pigment of imagination ,there were tensions underneath,but not something which could not have been over come with wisdom,and leadership some what like what President Abraham Lincoln,provided during civil war and later in 1965 by LBJ and the Congress of that era(1965) by fair,just sincere legislation.Racism even today has not fully vanished,yet blacks of to- day feel they have stake in the system,only a demagogue would deny it.All leaders of that era,including MKG,MAJ,JLN and Patel bear responsibility.We can all rewrite history,according what suits us.But for me,we are all paying for our original sin,the hasty,thoughtless partition,where the legitimate interest of many people such as Sikhs,Shias,Baluch,NEFA,Pashtuns and many tribal people were swept under the rug.If I forgotten the concerns of many,it is not intensional,for which we are paying for mass unrest and wide spread misery.This will continue,and it has become more difficult by meddling by USA and now China.There is no solution or silver bullet.Things have been allowed to fester and drag on,and in the belief,like Lord Nelson,if you do not look in right eye,it does not exist!.It is self defeating and false mirage.On hide sight which is 20/20,the modern state of India,Old Pakistan which included East Pakistan is all wrong and unnatural and as such, can not stand,but how do we set it right?There is not now,or ever, bold leaders in the horizon,who have the real sympathy,empathy or well being of the suffering masses of the greater sub-continent,I fear a cataclysmic war,revolution or nuclear holocaust in the cards of unfortunate people.There is no way out as we have tied our self in knots and inflexible morass.Even secularism and separation of church now can not save us,TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION,PAKISTAN-AND INDIA TOO. Wave a good bye.Very sad but true.We are all fellow sufferer, casualty of 1947.Thoughtless people beget thoughtless leaders.


  • Asif Rathore
    Feb 12, 2012 - 11:52PM

    @narayana murthy:

    In Asia, india is the biggest terrorist country behind the curtain of democracy. hindu forces are killing their own hindus in Tamil nado and 9, 10 other sates.

    You guys even don’t have any respect for low cast hindus.


  • Cynical
    Feb 13, 2012 - 2:25AM

    @Asif Rathode

    “You guys even don’t have any respect for low caste (not cast!) hindus.”
    You are spot on.But that was in distant past.Actually that’s one of the reasons why forefathers of yours’ and mine have converted to Islam.


  • Mustafa Moiz
    Feb 13, 2012 - 1:27PM

    @John B:
    Don’t let the name of the province mislead you. There are, in fact, more Pashtun in Balochistan than the Baloch themselves, who are very sparse. And then, among those minority Baloch, a minority is against Pakistan. So look at the few people behind this problem.


  • Feb 13, 2012 - 5:33PM

    Yes, “Eye for an eye” but for God’s sake, of the culprit not of an innocent. Revenge of an inocent’s death is not to kill an innocent from percieved culprit community. With the killing of a large number of non-Balochis, Balochistan has been deprived off dedicated teachers and hard working technical/skilled people (even most innocent miners from Chitral/KPK) who are essential for imparting training to locals and development of infrastructure. I am sure such people are not working for an “agenda”. In deed real agenda is of corrupt sardars who are self proclaimed “leaders” and want to sell Balochistan to who-so-ever may pay bigger price…..may it be federal govt of Pakistan or any other like US, India or UK.


  • Hindi hain hum
    Feb 14, 2012 - 6:46AM

    @Asif Rathore:
    Just because Pakistan Studies says something doesnt make it true. It is in Pakistan that minorities are most in peril — whether that is Bengalis in the 1960s and 1970s, Hindus since partition, Ahmadis since the 1960s, Shias since the 1990s, Christians since the 1980s and the Baloch since the 1970s. Of all the countries in the Indian subcontinent the US Congress has had hearings only on Pakistan to investigate atrocities against minorities. You’ll be heartened to know that the last such Congressional hearing occured in the 1971 to investigate the genocide against Bengalis.


  • Homa
    Feb 14, 2012 - 1:05PM

    Pardonnez-moi, but i think most of your ancestors were forced to convert by the sword.


  • Asif Rathore
    Feb 14, 2012 - 7:45PM

    @Hindi hain hum:

    As I said, india is the biggest terrorist country behind the curtain of so called democracy. even you have no respect for low caste poor hindus, then how come you have soft corner for Baloch Muslims?????????????

    I know few Muslims from Ahmed Abad, india. They told me very horrible stories that what you hindus did to Muslims few years back in Ahmed Abad, and in other indian cities. Where was USA then??????????? America won’t say anything about those killings, because CIA itself is a biggest terrorist organization. Last year, one of American officials (now he is retired) said that 90% of terrorist activities are done by CIA.

    Also search and read about “Ron Paul” he is an American, running for white house. Read about him and findout what he says about these so called kings of democracy.

    oh one more thing, check out some of the surveys, in which over 70% Europeans think that USA (india’s friend) is responsible for all evils done in this world. Then how come india can be friend of Baloch Muslims???????????????Recommend

  • Cynical
    Feb 14, 2012 - 8:26PM

    My response was in the context of @Asif Rathode’s post, where mentioned this ‘mistreatment of lower caste hindus by their higher caste coreligionists.’
    It was an attempt to remind him of the common ancestry between hindus and muslim of the subcontinent.When we point finger at each other and try to prove that one is somehow a better or superior than the other, actually we insult our forefathers as well as our relatives (though distant).Historicaly your reference to the ‘sword’ is also true, but there were economic and political (power equation) reasons as well.But that is another matter.

    By the way I doubt if @Asif Rathore understood it.


  • wonderer
    Feb 14, 2012 - 8:30PM

    @Asif Rathore

    I really feel sorry for you, my dear Sir.

    I know India is a failing state with a failing economy, a corrupt regime and no future besides a cowardly Hindu religion breeding all the international terrorists, and Pakistan is a rising Super Power with the world’s best and newest religion, the bravest army, a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, and backers like the USA and China. But that is no reason, dear Sir, Indians will not be concerned if a part of the heaven you call your home is seen to be on fire.

    If you are unconcerned about that fire, what can anyone do except pray for you?


  • Homa
    Feb 14, 2012 - 9:28PM

    Yes, my friend i understand your intent. However, i gotta say, just look at how pakistan treats its minorities. They have to face so much violence and coercion. In the course of history, Most of the ancestors or the muslims of today were indeed similarly coerced into joining the religion. This fact cannot be wished way. Read the history of jihad at or leaving for a non-muslim perspective. Recommend

  • Nadia
    Feb 14, 2012 - 10:44PM


    We don’t need your prayers. And stop interfering in our country.


  • wonderer
    Feb 15, 2012 - 8:54AM


    Extremely sorry to have offended you. Didn’t mean to. OK, will not pray for you.

    The following video by Al-Jazsira is very informative. See it please.


  • Nadia
    Feb 15, 2012 - 6:53PM


    There are many videos on aljazeera and youtube, and many many other news channels about india’s so called democracy and how india is killing its own hindus.

    Yes, we don’t need your prayers, keep your prayers with you mr.
    Sorry to say, india can not be friends of anyone. Recommend

  • wonderer
    Feb 15, 2012 - 7:15PM


    Would you be so kind as to give me the link to any of the videos you have mentioned? I shall be obliged.

  • wonderer
    Feb 15, 2012 - 7:20PM


    Something I missed out.

    You say, “Sorry to say, india can not be friends of anyone.”

    How come then India has many more friends than Pakistan?


  • Nadia
    Feb 15, 2012 - 9:20PM


    yes, i know india has so many terrorist friends, like usa.


  • Humaira
    Feb 15, 2012 - 9:44PM


    What do you say about indian forces killing innocent Sikhs in india?

    What do you say about indian forces killing Christians, Muslims, Sikhs?

    Here is the “Truth” about india:

    Hindu State Sponsered terrorism Exposed in White House:

    This is what happens to Muslims in India:

    Here is the truth about mumbai attackes: See what FBI is saying about indian “Lies”
    FBI: Mumbai Culprit has No Pakistani Links: Watch the video:

    Say whatever you want to sayRecommend

  • Nadia
    Feb 15, 2012 - 10:03PM


    Thanks Humaira, good job. We all need to work together to expose these indian lies about Pakistan and Islam.

    These indians can not be anyones friends, they are not only interfering in Pakistan, but in its all neighboring countries. For Example: Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, & Nepal.


  • wonderer
    Feb 16, 2012 - 7:31AM

    @Humaira, @Nadia

    Many thanks!

    May God bless you.


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