US Balochistan hearing: Pakistani senators condemn ‘direct intervention’

Published: February 9, 2012
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Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (L) and Rep. Russ Carnahan (R) speak at the hearing. PHOTO: AZIZ AHMED/EXPRESS

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (L) and Rep. Russ Carnahan (R) speak at the hearing. PHOTO: AZIZ AHMED/EXPRESS

WASHINGTON / ISLAMABAD: Members of the Senate of Pakistan, both from the ruling party and the opposition, have condemned the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for discussing the Balochistan issue, terming it a direct interference in Pakistan’s affairs.

Raising the issue on a point of order in Thursday’s Senate session, Senator Raza Rabbani of the Pakistan Peoples Party said that the US Senate committee has no jurisdiction to call a hearing on any issue happening in Pakistan. “There should be a clear message to the US from the Senate of Pakistan and the government that such an intervention is intolerable,” he said.

Rabbani, architect of the 18th amendment and head of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security, said that some foreign elements have joined hands to exploit the situation in Balochistan and this is against the sovereignty of an independent country. “We cannot surrender our sovereignty in the name of globalization.”

Senator Kalsoom Parveen, of the Balochistan National Party-Awami, was of the same view, while senators Abdur Rahim Mandokhel and Haji Adeel emphasised the need to improve law and order in the province.

Earlier, in the packed Room 2200 of the Rayburn Office Building, members of the House Foreign Affairs’ Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations began hearing human rights activists and scholars detail human rights abuses in Balochistan.

The hearing chaired by Congressman (R) Dana Rohrabacher, who last week introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to award Dr. Shakil Afridi with US citizenship. In his opening remarks, Rep. Rohrabacher said that Balochistan is a turbulent land marred by human rights violations “by regimes that are against US values”.

Rep. Rohrabacher outlined the history of Pakistan’s creation, and highlighted Balochistan’s grievances vis a vis natural resources, said that the province’s wealth was being taken by dominant Punjabi elite.

Addressing the committee, scholar Christine Fair said that while she understood emotions ran high, targeted killings were also being carried out by the Baloch.

In his submitted testimony to the committee, Amnesty International’s Advocacy Director T. Kumar called on the US to “apply the Leahy Amendment without waivers to all Pakistani military units in Balochistan.”

Ali Dayan Hasan, the Pakistan director for Human Rights Watch, in his submitted remarks, said that cases documented by the HRW show that Pakistan’s security forces and its intelligence agencies were involved in the enforced disappearance of ethnic Baloch. The HRW representative asked the US government in his recommendations to “communicate directly to the agencies responsible for disappearances and other abuses including the army, ISI, IB, Frontier Corps, police and other law enforcement and intelligence agencies, to demand an end to abuses and facilitate criminal inquiries to hold perpetrators accountable.”

Hasan dubbed the military’s role in the province as brutal, and an occupying one. He clarified that the HRW took no position on the issue of the independence of Balochistan.  He argued that the US and UK had made enforced disappearances possible by allowing them during the war on terror, which has led to the military doing the same. Christine Fair added that Pakistan’s abuse of human rights have served the US’ interests.

In his testimony, analyst Ralph Peters called Pakistan a supporter of terrorism, and said that Pakistan had made the US complicit too by launching attacks against India such as the Mumbai attack.

The hearing, which lasted a little over an hour, came to an end as congressmen decided to go to the floor for a vote. In his closing remarks, Rep. Rohrabacher declared that the hearing was no stunt, and that they wanted to start a national dialogue on what US policy should be in that part of the world.

Dr M Hosseinbor, a Baloch lawyer and witness at the hearing, said that according to Baloch sources, nearly 4,000 people have disappeared in the province since 2001. In his submitted remarks, Mr Bor called on the US to support an independent Balochistan “in case Pakistan or Iran or both collapsed from within”.

The hearing, which lasted nearly 75 minutes, came to an early and somewhat abrupt end as the congressmen were summoned to the House floor for a vote.

State Department distances itself from Balochistan hearing

When asked about the Congressional hearing on Balochistan, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said that their view on Balochistan remains unchanged. “Congress holds hearings on many foreign affairs topics. These hearings don’t necessarily imply that the US Government endorses one view or another view. I’d underscore that the State Department is not participating or involved in this hearing today.”

The spokesperson referred to comments she had made recently on Balochistan on Twitter, “We emphasise that the United States engages with Pakistan on a whole range of issues, including ways to foster economic development and expand opportunity in Balochistan.”

When asked whether the US supports a demand for an independent Balochistan, Nuland said, “Our view on this has not changed, and you know where we’ve been on Balochistan. We encourage all the parties in Balochistan to work out their differences peacefully and through a valid political process.”

 

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 5:48AM

    dear corespondent u forgot wat chris fairs said on kashmir and also that 3 of the witnesses had also testified that abuses were done by the balochis as well, speciali against educational sector related people, and mr.rotcherbar had his koments tat one asking for rights must repect them also…
    an agenda oriented reporting or a spicy one … ??

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 6:16AM

    Why America Interfering in our national issue (Balochistan) :/
    They better Focus On Afghanistan..!!Recommend

  • Tahir Sheikh
    Feb 9, 2012 - 6:34AM

    To my fellow Pakistanis and especially Balochis, nations have to face many challenges on their path of becoming great. To do this, all groups within them need to struggle to improve their institutions and systems. This is not easy and requires sacrifices. But truly people have faith that they would prevail and are able to eventually transform their societies & system. Moreover, they do this not by looking outside for “help” but by looking inside at themselves, asking themselves hard questions, facing realities and changing their thinking, surroundings, institutions and systems.

    If there is one lesson one should learn from US history, it is that their challenges were far greater than that of us. Yet they overcame them by struggling and striving for their values within their own system and struggled to improve it. Martin Luther King, Jr & Malcolm X did not go to the UN for their civil rights nor to any other outside country. The “human rights watch” did not do anything for it. They prevailed by changing their system, not by giving calls to succession.

    We need to remember that the solution to our problems is with us and within us. If we look at outsiders, we are admitting that we are not strong willed and at best mediocre. We then don’t deserve to be great but then stand to be exploited.

    There have been a multitude of challenges for Balochistan as have been historical wrongs, but the solution to the problems is within us. We are Pakistanis. It is our destiny to be great if be believe in it – not by paying lip service but by making sacrifices for it. US & other outsiders won’t make us great. If we play in the hands of others, we become their slaves – they will suck us dry and move on. We need to have faith in us.

    As for US sudden “pain” for the Baloch, it is all commercial & geopolitical interests. Let me remaind that when Obama visited India, he was promoting his military planes sale deal and did not mention Kashmir even once. We should have the sense to see through this sudden regard for human rights in Balochistan by the very people of are continuing to kill innocent women & children by drone strikes calling it collateral damage.

    May we have the wisdom to sense what is right and perseverance to act accordingly.

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  • Nosherwan Shahid Shaikh
    Feb 9, 2012 - 6:51AM

    You guys are funny! America is not a member of the International court of justice, has not accepted the Kyoto protocol, But what goes in Baluchistan is your worry. You should worry about the human rights you are flouting!

    WOW. What double standards!

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 7:01AM

    US congress should have held a hearing, prior to the meeting on Balouchistan, on the human rights violations being committed by the US drone attacks on innocent children, women and men in the tribal areas of Pakistan, which has already been admitted by US President Barack Obama.

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  • Cautious
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:11AM

    If this was a Senate hearing then I would be worried because the Democrats control the Senate – a hearing in the House is likely a political ploy by the Republicans who continue to try and put Obama in the position of trying to defend an unpopular Pakistan. In short – this won’t get traction and will die a natural death.

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  • Falcon
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:19AM

    Even though it is a political stunt by US, it is good for Pakistan because it will raise the heat on the issue on the internal media and force our political parties to come together for a solution. From US side, they have planted the seed in case this needs to be used in the future. In short, this is an alarm for our political and establishment elite to wake up or lose a part of Pakistan once again.

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  • Qayyum
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:27AM

    All crap….There will another Pakistan sooon where other Pakistanis especially Punjabis have to get Visa……I pray that day never come…..

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  • Ashkab
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:35AM

    Amnesty International’s Advocacy Director T. Kumar is biased Indian and Amnesty International only talks about human right where Western countries have some hidden interest. In the name of Human rights, they attack and divided countries and human rights organization do nothing and keep quite during the occupation and on the murder of civilians in the hand of NATO. It’s a conspiracy against Pakistan. US and NATO were never interested in settling in Afghanistan. The whole purpose of invading Afghanistan by NATO was to de-stabilize Pakistan with the help of India; they have trained and still training Gorillas to launch major offensive while keeping Pakistani Army busy on so called war on terrorism. They want to create another Darfur and the same senators and congresswoman and Congressmen are involved in presenting the solution on Assembly floor and propaganda is already has begun against Pakistan. They want to separate Baluchistan for many reasons and those reasons are as follows
    1- 4th largest gold mine of the world
    2- Oil
    3- Mineral mines
    4- Strategic location
    They want to have a full control of the Sea of Gulf and want to neutralize Iran by taking away their oil rich province and along with Baluchistan of Pakistan to form a one Baloch state and turn it in to somewhat like a Kingdom of Arab Emirates with no democracy so Westerners can force them to buy trillions of dollars’ worth of ARMS and other US and Western Products by blackmailing these Blochi Kings that if they do follow their instructions, they will be killed and will be hanged like Saddam and dragged on streets like Gaddafi.
    We Pakistanis, don’t like this current form of Government and definitely want to get rid of them and replace them with competent people. We must stop fighting with our own people and pay more attention to Baluchistan by building Military bases and must lease Gawadar port to Chinese so NATO can be deterred from attacking Pakistan.
    Remember we are not Sudan , Iraq or Libya so back off and go back to where you came from.

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  • muhammad irfan
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:44AM

    it’s the easiest thing to do,to blame all ills on punjab.no mention of the thousands of punjabi civilians murdered in balochistan in an ethnic cleansing campaign.no interviews with the families of the teachers,doctors,laborers and businessmen who were deliberately murdered because of their crime of being punjabis.such biased hearings by the americans will only create more problems,not solve any.condemning the killings of one community but deliberately ingnoring the murders of thousands of ppl from another shows the discrimination.why no media channel does any talkshows on the genocide of punjabi civilians in balochistan? all the talkshows are only on the grievances of the baloch but none have ever been on the ethnic cleansing of punjabi civilians in balochistan.

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  • hmm
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:52AM

    why not kashmir be taken up and researched into by the Rayburn Office Building, members of the House Foreign Affairs’ Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations….???
    doesn’t kashmir has thousands of human rights violations…………..?????????
    what about bosnia????
    what about libyans who were killed by pro and anti gaddafi forces….???
    what about iraqi children who died because no milk was allowed to enter iraq during 90s….????

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  • Irtiza
    Feb 9, 2012 - 8:45AM

    The situation has become so serious that we can hear people talking about it in the highest level abroad. However, here in Pakistan I can’t see anyone worried about the devilish plans of the enemy. No one is fulfilling their duty – government, opposition, army. judiciary, media. God save Pakistan.

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  • R20
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:06AM

    The only reason because some other fault is created by the US does not make the Baluchistan issue lighter. In Pakistan it is a fact that Punjab tries to be elite then other provinces feel bad to say that but it is a fact which can’t be denied. Our government / military are in state of denial likewise they were before creation of Bangladesh and Mohajirs demand of separate land in 90’s. I wish there would be a foresighted leader like Altaf Hussain in Baluchistan who holds the Baluchies together and makes the government realize the actual status. I wish there would another Nawab Akbar Bugti to do that. If not so then it wont be a surprise for the world changing the map for South Asia again.

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  • Noor
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:30AM

    They should mind their own business; there are so many problems within US.

    To make the world safer & peaceful, most important is to reign in the US hegemonic designs.

    They do it by using all sorts of warfare including media, cyber, etc & plant their agents from within the community for their vested interest in the areas which are rich in mineral & oil resources.

    They divide rich territories so that these become unable to defend themselves & remain dependent on US, the international Fuedal, and claims royalty on everything.

    USA!!!!!!!!!!

    PLEASE STOP YOUR SICK PLANS, IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY.Recommend

  • Mirza
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:42AM

    Pakistan should find a political solution of Baluchistan before the US, then UNO moves in. We have not learned anything from East Pakistan. Blame game is not going to solve the problem. The country is busy in manufactured cases like Memogate, and SC vs. elected govt. While the real problems of terrorism and nationalism are ignored.

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  • Pakistani Agnostic
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:49AM

    I cannot believe why would America be interested in Balochistan when there are similar situations being played in North West India, Morocco ( West Sahara), Indonesia, Sudan etc.

    Only highlights the importance of our intelligentsia and probably justifies their larger-than-life behavior.

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  • Hindu Indian
    Feb 9, 2012 - 10:24AM

    Suddenly the citizens of Pakistan have realised that they have a problem at home which others are looking at. Uncle Sam is watching

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  • Aamir
    Feb 9, 2012 - 10:25AM

    From Afghanistan to Iraq, we have seen too many human rights violation caught on tape. On the other hand Kashmir is totally out of too civilized nations radar. Baluchistan with all those problems has not been that turbulent as compared to Kashmir. World should focus on more important issues. Baluchi brothers will be entertained through the normal political process which will surely heal their wounds. Government of Pakistan should do more to win hearts and minds of our brothers.

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  • Indian
    Feb 9, 2012 - 10:36AM

    I think Baloochistan is an internal matter and should be solved by people of pakistan. Americans have this habbit of interfering all over the world.If they are champion of human rights then who will prosecute american soldiers for war crime in Iraq ??

    I am completely in agreement with many thinkers that perhaps America is the biggest terrorist country in the world.

    Blaming panjabis for everything is not correct. Recommend

  • Jamil
    Feb 9, 2012 - 11:31AM

    Hmmm . . . why Balochistan all of a sudden?? Why not Kashmir, the saddest and oldest !!

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  • Salman
    Feb 9, 2012 - 11:50AM

    Balochistan is the Part of 9/11 game…They have to control the gawadar
    port, my dear simple countrymen!For the sake of argument!say obl is
    dead and their revenge comes to an end…Now its all end….But ignorance
    will lead Pakistanis to a real misery…Truth is conspiracy!Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2012 - 11:57AM

    @Hindu Indian: Well the roots of all these problems in Balouchistan have been traced with the 29 Indian consulates In Afghanistan, as already confirmed by India in the joint declaration of the two PM’s at Sharam ul Sheikh, Eygpt.

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  • karyaab baloch
    Feb 9, 2012 - 12:29PM

    the big news is that the freedom of baloch is know discuss in the us senate and internationally too.the world is listening that there is war between the baloch nation and occupied forces. and we hope that all world going to support baloch nation….freedom for balochistan Recommend

  • Viglant
    Feb 9, 2012 - 12:44PM

    @muhammad irfan:
    Well said buddy……..i want to add little……balochis enjoy full freedom in all Provinces……while others are killed like pests in balochistan…….this is reality of balochistan Issue…

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  • Pollack
    Feb 9, 2012 - 12:48PM

    Its about time the balochistan is give azaadi and the baloch freedom fighters are given their due. Pakistan should allow this on its own or it will be forced by the world to give azaadi to the baloch.

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  • khan
    Feb 9, 2012 - 12:53PM

    We laughed when the Bengalis cried, and history is just repeating itself. Oh, History!

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 12:53PM

    Gov. of Pakistan should pay its highest attention to Baluchistan

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  • khan
    Feb 9, 2012 - 12:56PM

    We laughed when the Bengalis cried, and History is repating itself. Oh cruel History!

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  • TJ
    Feb 9, 2012 - 12:59PM

    I Think balochistan would be like bangladesh ten years down the road.

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  • Shah
    Feb 9, 2012 - 1:03PM

    They are just try to put a pressure on Pakistan..nothing else…Y dont they sit and discuss Kashmir..

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 1:32PM

    Insurgency and terrorism supported and instigated by foreigners is not supported and allowed by UN charter. Every problem has to sorted out within the constitution of an independent nation.

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  • harri
    Feb 9, 2012 - 1:33PM

    all comments seem to be biased on either side some how, unless and until you are not going to be neutral regarding an issue there will not be a way out. So try to stand in your place and shout out your voice.

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  • KiJ
    Feb 9, 2012 - 2:17PM

    The most laughable and condemnable action by a country to poke its nose into the matters of another country….

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  • Pashtun voice
    Feb 9, 2012 - 2:20PM

    When will the hearings on Kashmir and Palestine take place?

    NEVER! because the Americans think that the Palestinians and Kashmiris are “invented people” and because they are fighting friends of America they deserve it!

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  • Mir Balach
    Feb 9, 2012 - 2:34PM

    He is the biggest supporter of Rashid Dostum, Mohaqiq and Khalili of NA. The most prominent US proxies in Afghanistan these days.

    Isnt it ironic that he supports Afghan warlords with worst human rights record but targets Pakistan. One doesnt have to be a rocket scientists to figure who is the puppet master of this clown.

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  • saif
    Feb 9, 2012 - 2:44PM

    Super Power game in this region is no secret. How innocent, how peaceful, how much a grand gaurd of human rights, how much sympathetic to poor, oppressed people of the world __ everyone knows it through and through__,GAWADAR PORT, GOLD MINES, OIL RESERVOIRS, COPPER MINES, URANIUM,CHROMIUM ORE,and million TONS of MINERALS/METALS__go ahead frustrating Baluchiees against Punjabiees__till you deplete Baluchistan out of all resources._and you have total control of the Gulf states. What a plan? But remember, this cake is not so easy to taste__wait and see how good Baluchiees/Pakistaniees understand you and protect their motherland with their tested blood.When will you learn to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and make good use of your economy for your own citizens than Nato Forces.Recommend

  • Khurram Mansoor
    Feb 9, 2012 - 3:06PM

    Important to see that T. Kumar has done his duty as a Hindu not as a human rights activist.

    Many people will lamnet me here. But they need to make a background check on this person.

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  • kumar
    Feb 9, 2012 - 3:12PM

    This is an older issue than kashmir.Balochistan was never part of British India,but pakistan forcibly occupied it.Let pakistan set an example to India & give Balochistan independence. Then if you ask for kashmir resolution there will be support.

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  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd)
    Feb 9, 2012 - 3:13PM

    US interfering in the Internal Affairs of Pakistan. It proves beyond doubt the Foreign Intervention in Balochistan. US cannot be our friend and Ally. It is doing the same in FATA.. The Balochistan issue is being blown out of proportion. A few Militant Groups sponsored by some Nawab’s & Sardar’s creating Instability for their own nefarious designs. Want an Independent Balochistan to further exploit the riches and enjoy the fruits at the cost of the common Baloch. One has to ask them about their own contribution while they were at the helm of Affairs.
    These Exploiters have prevented Development and Education to continue suppressing the people of Balochistan.Without Education they will continue to be under their yolk.

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  • IFTIKHAR-UR-REHMAN
    Feb 9, 2012 - 4:32PM

    America is involved in this Blauchi unrest because it wants to control the mineral rich part of Pakistan. It has Gold & Oil plus it’s strategic location.Recommend

  • Feb 9, 2012 - 4:50PM

    If the US was discussing Kashmir, Pakistanis would be all,”Free Kashmir” and “Down with India” and “Human Right Violations”. This has happened before. Now, its Pakistan the center of attention, thoroughly unenviable.

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  • vasan
    Feb 9, 2012 - 5:12PM

    Khurram Mansoor: Stop bringing religion into every issue. Try to solve your problems before it gets out of your hand, Same India/Hindu bogey gave azadi to Bangladesh. For heavens sake dont repeat it.

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  • Humayun
    Feb 9, 2012 - 5:19PM

    Interesting to see comments that are generally ‘evasive’ and tend to divert fromt the core issue i.e. focus, introspect and address the Balochistan issue. Counter accusations seldom helps !!!

    If we continue with the same approach, Pakistan will continue to bleed

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  • narayana murthy
    Feb 9, 2012 - 5:24PM

    I think India and USA use everything in their power to covertly strengthen the separatism, and let Balochs have their freedom.

    Otherwise, it will lead to a situation like in 1971, when 3 million Bengalis were mercilessly killed in the BIGGEST GENOCIDE in the last 70 years!!!!

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  • Humayun
    Feb 9, 2012 - 5:34PM

    I have come an argument many times whereby all the blame for ‘non-development and backwardness’ is fixed on Nawabs and Sardars. Ironically, those titles and positions are acknowledged and recognised by the government of Pakistan, at least practically.

    Besides, how can a welfare state dispense with its responsibility by stating its inability to tackle its subjects.

    Generally in my experience, people living in metro cities especially take the Balochistan issue in a stride with out fully appreciating and understing the compexities. They tend to think that it is some isolated bunch of rogue ethnic group that is causing trouble.

    Balochistan issue may not be as complex as it appears, and at the same time it may not be as simple as one would like it to be !!!

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  • Imran Mohammad
    Feb 9, 2012 - 6:37PM

    Ok, when is the hearing on Kashmir issue? There have been a lot more people killed there.
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  • Uza Syed
    Feb 9, 2012 - 6:53PM

    I don’t like this! This is a serious development here and we must take it seriously, it is now or never. Please, save Pakistan. All is not lost, yet. Rush and do whatever can be done. Don’t let our family grievances destroy our home. I’ll talk to my brothers myself on his terms rather than have others intervene and settle our differences. Let’s right all the wrongs that we are guilty of doing in Balochistan, and let’s do it fast.

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  • Imran Mohammad
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:12PM

    @narayana murthy . Yes, similarly, I think Pakistan and China use everything in their power to covertly strengthen the separatism, and let Kashmir have their freedom.

    How about that, Mr. Arm-chair warrior !!!

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  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd)
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:23PM

    @Humayun: My dear friend, you have to look at the problem rationally. Who were the Governor’s & Chief Minister’s of Balochistan. Was it a Punjabi,Sindhi or Pashtun. Ironically nearly half of Balochistan is inhabited by Pathans but their representation is very poor. I have never heard them complain. The son’s of the soil when governing their Province were busy accumulating wealth. In how many Forums did they raise their voice. Did they plead their cases vehemently in the corridor’s of Power & the Assemblies.
    Two reasons. One they did not have the acumen to do so, and the other was that they did not themselves want the people to be Educated & Empowered so that they would not be able to stand up for their rights.
    No Development to keep they in the Stone Age.

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 7:32PM

    @Imran Mohammad:

    The problem with that is this:
    a) That path is already tried. It has only led to radicalization of the entire Country of Pakistan. India has grown leaps and bounds, while it has led to Pakistan being stuck in stoneage.
    b) India has sealed the borders and its not easy getting into Kashmir. Kashmir saw the highest tourist turn out in 2 decades last year. And, the recent panchayat elections where 80% of the people participated shows how Kashmiris prefer ballot of India over Pakistani bullets.
    c) China doesn’t want to be seen supporting Terror when it has its own insurgency problems.

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  • narayana murthy
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:44PM

    @Imran Mohammad who writes “Yes, similarly, I think Pakistan and China use everything in their power to covertly strengthen the separatism, and let Kashmir have their freedom.

    How about that, Mr. Arm-chair warrior !!!”

    Well, you have been doing that for the last 60 years and failing miserably.

    By the way, how foolish of you to even believe that China will join hands with you in this endeavor!!! China does more business with India than it does will all other South Asian countries combined!!!

    So, let’s do that and see who breaks whom first!!!!!!Recommend

  • Pak Centcom
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:53PM

    Oil Pipelines, Mineral Supply Chains to the ports on the Arabian Sea run straight through Balochistan to the Central Asian States, to the Silk Routes of Asia. This is why Balochistanian Human Rights are being POLITICIZED as a means to gain MEDIA TRACTION, and hence a move to gain a shallow influence on public opinions for future PROFIT by employing baloch in raw material extraction and export for VALUE ADDITION in foreign economies. Buying Cheap, Selling High Regime. But wait Balochistanian rights and material aint for sale baby – not yet. We got them covered, it’s our resource , so get a life and tell BP to soak the coasts of Florida with leaky leaky.

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  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd)
    Feb 9, 2012 - 7:55PM

    @khan: This is not E.Pakistan. Nip the Evil in the bud. Massive Development in the Infra Structure& Education. That is the answer.

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  • HH
    Feb 9, 2012 - 8:45PM

    Can’t we provide a level playing field for every Pakistani province and save Pakistan. Cruelty to any human regardless of gender, age or religion should be denounced and it should start at home otherwise other would point at you. Live like humans not animals.

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  • Feb 9, 2012 - 8:46PM

    This sub-committee should first take a look on what America is doing in the entire world. USA is supporting Israel that is involved in worst kind of human rights violations in the world, just look at the video of “brave, well trained and disciplined” US soldiers urinating on Afghanis’ dead bodies. Down with double standards. Ralph Peter dares to casts aspersions of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Imran Mohammad
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:07PM

    @BruteForce All I was trying to do was point to irony of his argument.

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  • Mengal
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:19PM

    @Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd):
    Sorry to say col Imtiaz…if you don’t know anything about Baluchistan situation so you don’t have any right to write illogical things…due to you people Bangladesh emerge a country and same thing is happening in Baluchistan as well…plz you must study news papers and watch talk shows about Baluchistan…

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  • kamran
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:48PM

    Whats the fuss, lets have a plebiscite in Balochistan an finish the issue once and for all, we should be confident that the Balochis will never reject the Two Nation Theory, they will vote to be Pakistan, give a hard blow have a plenisicite.

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  • Salman
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:55PM

    @ narayana murthy

    Well India should concentrate on multiple freedom movements going on in their own country. be it Kashmir, Assam, Manipur, Nagaland etc. Its high time UN should step in and free these countries by Indian tyranny.

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  • Delhi Belly
    Feb 9, 2012 - 9:57PM

    @Syed Nayyar Uddin Ahmad: “Well the roots of all these problems in Balouchistan have been traced with the 29 Indian consulates In Afghanistan” – Who traced it and did your government produced any evidence or material to support that preposterous claim ?

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  • bangash
    Feb 9, 2012 - 10:51PM

    If Pakistan can constantly talk “Pashtun representation” in Afghanistan then US can talk about Baluchistan.

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  • American
    Feb 9, 2012 - 10:53PM

    @Tahir Sheikh:
    “They prevailed by changing their system, not by giving calls to secession….”
    Pakistan was born with a foundation that goes against your comment.
    Why not East Pakistan ? Why not Baloch ?

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  • American
    Feb 9, 2012 - 11:39PM

    @Khurram Mansoor:
    Only muslims think of themselves as muslims first and citizens next, and individuals last.
    They seem to be seeing every thing through a colored glass called religion.
    Don’t apply that on Mr. Kumar and others….
    Other people have professional integrity that keeps religion out of the context…

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  • Purede51
    Feb 10, 2012 - 12:33AM

    US clandestine BALOCHISTAN separation movement is now revealing . . .
    PAKISTANI authorities are about to resume US-NATO supplies & talk about building confidence while our ALLY US has started supporting anti state terrorist organizations in BALOCHISTAN. One can imagine if this much is happening on the face of PAKISTANIS what could be happening behing the curtain???
    We have to go careful here we also need to boost ties with IRAN & issue threat to the ILLEGAL STATE -ISRAEL-

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  • Star
    Feb 10, 2012 - 12:36AM

    On the name of “globalization” we are all being pushed to accept big powers as police state..When ever they interface, operate spys and destabilize country and then use situation….

    This is tactic to impact and counter PAK-CHINA easiest world energy and trade corridor..

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  • Star
    Feb 10, 2012 - 12:46AM

    New World Order…

    Gen Hameed Gul already talking about US agenda in region…

    9/11 bahana hai ::9/11 is Excuse
    Afghanistan thakana hai :: Afghanistan is Base
    Pakistan nisana hai ::Pakistan is target .

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  • Arindom
    Feb 10, 2012 - 1:12AM

    @Khurram Mansoor:
    when did religion come into the mix? You guys should really get rid of the Islamic sun glasses…..

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  • Mir Baloch
    Feb 10, 2012 - 1:15AM

    Most of the comments here are by Punjabis and we Balochis donot approve of it.

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  • harish
    Feb 10, 2012 - 1:25AM

    @American:
    Khurram can’t understand. Just as Afghans cant understand peace, pakistanis cant understand ‘secularism’, ‘integrity’,etc. I mean, it is simply beyond them.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 2:26AM

    @American:
    “Only muslims think of themselves as muslims first and citizens next, and individuals last.
    They seem to be seeing every thing through a colored glass called religion.
    Don’t apply that on Mr. Kumar and others….
    Other people have professional integrity that keeps religion out of the context…”

    As if your master Israel is a secular country and does not see things through religion. Ok Mr. American, we know how professional you are when it comes to Israel and Palestine, India and Kashmir, WMD and Iraq. Thank you for your concern.Recommend

  • aka
    Feb 10, 2012 - 3:04AM

    @Hindu Indian: US need u/cheap labour.

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  • narayana murthy
    Feb 10, 2012 - 3:04AM

    @American…”Only muslims think of themselves as muslims first and citizens next, and individuals last.”

    You are absolutely right and this is exactly why Muslims are failing and are a confused lot everywhere.

    I’m sure there are plenty of Indian Muslims who visit this site. Even thy will agree that Indian Muslims are failing because they are a confused lot. Unfortunately their leaders are doing nothing to eliminate this confusion and instead are fueling it.

    Until Muslims understand that individuals come first and nationality last they will never progress. As far as religion is concerned, it does not come anywhere. It’s a personal thing, just like the clothes you wera and the food you eat.

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  • Harry Stone
    Feb 10, 2012 - 5:38AM

    Gee what a tempest in a teapot this has turned out to be. PAK can investigate anything it wants to investigate or hold whatever hearings it desires but let the US do this and it is somehow wrong.

    Maybe instead of the US holding these hearings it might be wise if PAK did. Maybe they could come up with a way forward which I realize would be a first for PAK.

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  • Paki-Australian
    Feb 10, 2012 - 5:49AM

    As a Pakistani, I do worry about the in-equalities inflicted on my Baluchi brothers. I think US interest in the case will highlight the matter within the Pakistani society too. So well done USA.
    To those who object based on ‘this is PK’s internal matter’ – human rights abuse is a matter for humanity, I m least bothered about US’s track on the subject and more interested in what will it take to pronounce this issue and create awareness amongst Pakistanis.

    Just think about it, if US didn’t interfere we will not be having this discussion. Correct? :-)

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  • extremist
    Feb 10, 2012 - 6:13AM

    @junaid: u mean pakistan kashmir or indian kashmir?Recommend

  • extremist
    Feb 10, 2012 - 6:25AM

    @karyaab baloch: I am with you . Pakistan will disintegrate like Yogaslavia. Now is the best time to raise Baloch issue in the international arena. Balochis deserve independence from the dominatingand exploiting Punjabis.

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  • MarkH
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:15AM

    We’ll talk about whatever we want, thanks.
    Or do you think you can stop us?
    Nobody is scared of Pakistan but the people inside its borders.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 8:55AM

    @narayana murthy:

    “I think India and USA use everything in their power to covertly strengthen the separatism, and let Balochs have their freedom.”

    As if your are merely watching passively from distance and you have nothing to do with initiating, organizing, funding, and training the terrorist and genocidal BLA movement; the exact same repeat of the Bangladesh-Muktibahni saga.

    “Otherwise, it will lead to a situation like in 1971, when 3 million Bengalis were mercilessly killed in the BIGGEST GENOCIDE in the last 70 years!!!!”

    Look who is saying that. An Indian Hindu, whom own history is full of genocides – remember how many Kashmiri Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists you have massacred throughout your history – and who he is calling for help, the world’s biggest murderer of human kind. Propaganda at its highest.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 9:04AM

    @Indian:

    *”I think Baloochistan is an internal matter and should be solved by people of pakistan. Americans have this habbit of interfering all over the world.If they are champion of human rights then who will prosecute american soldiers for war crime in Iraq ??

    I am completely in agreement with many thinkers that perhaps America is the biggest terrorist country in the world.

    Blaming panjabis for everything is not correct.”*

    If you are the same “Indian” guy with whom I have lenghty exchange in Mission ‘lost cause’: The tale of a Kashmiri ‘jihadi’ article published February 5, 2012 in ET, then it is very positive and welcome change.

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  • Freidun
    Feb 10, 2012 - 9:20AM

    Syed Nayyar Udin Ahmad. By the way, Nayyar is a Hindu surname. So I was not aware that there are 29 Indian consulates in Afghanistan. There are five major cities in Afghanistan and India has opened five plus consulates in each of these cities…wow. I guess that is great for Afghans, they can now walk into an Indian consulate within minutes of leaving their homes.

    This poster has a wild imagination. Afghans don’t like dalkhors from India or Pakistan.

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  • Humayun
    Feb 10, 2012 - 10:11AM

    wow, senate is sensitive to sovereignity !!! the recent incidents to ridicule and humiliate the subjects of this welfare state include Drone Strikes, Raymond Davis Case, Shamsie Air base.

    I liked what Imran Khan said in his Karachi Jalsa -‘ PTI government will focus and divert all development schemes towards Balochistan, case in point East and West Germany. It can be a very good start to make Balochistanis a stake holder in Pakistan.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 10:53AM

    @Harry Stone:

    “Maybe instead of the US holding these hearings it might be wise if PAK did. Maybe they could come up with a way forward”

    Absolutely right, this is the only way forward. Thank you for your positive suggestion.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 11:38AM

    @MarkH:

    “We’ll talk about whatever we want, thanks.”

    Good for your health as long as you just talk. For a change, talk sometime about Kashmir and Palestine too.

    “Or do you think you can stop us?”

    We wouldn’t and we wouldn’t need to. Afghanistan would be enough to make you realize that Hollywood movies are not reality.

    “Nobody is scared of Pakistan but the people inside its borders.”

    We don’t intend to. Who told you of my being scared?

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  • International Spectator
    Feb 10, 2012 - 11:48AM

    Why are so many bloggers complaing about kashmir?. That is meddling in affairs of another country. And, If that is acceptable, then US interference in balochistan should be acceptable too. pakistanis meddle and keep harping on kashmir and afganistan, and when others bring up Balochistan, they complain.
    Balochistan was never a part of pakistan in 1947. They are more closer to Iranians rthan punjabis. Better to give them independence than face another Bangladesh situation. Besides Balochistan’s mining wealth, if any, must not be eyed greedily by pakistan.
    US is a super power and fighting global war on terror to help stabelize pakistans security situation. So they do have an genuine interest in the deteriorating situation.
    Bugti balochs relatives again killed has shocked the world. Even India is angry and cant tolerate this genocide against balochistanis.

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  • Feb 10, 2012 - 12:08PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    Unfortunately this Indian you are talking about is not me.. I am still here Alice!! You can continue your argument with your own self.
    The Indian you are talking about referred to Iraq and not ‘Muslims’ (that is the way Indians see the world – Muslims are different from Pakistanis and more so ‘Indian Muslims’ have a distinct identity unlike the ‘Umma’ who refused to take them as a Part of the ‘Organization of Islamic Countries’ despite being one among the top 3 Muslim populations i the world!)..
    By the way if you think empty claims can change the way people think about you, Wonderland is still a suffocation…

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  • let there be peace
    Feb 10, 2012 - 1:46PM

    You close NATO route to Afghanistan through ‘Baluchistan province of Pakistan’; they will obviously consider possibility of route through ‘Republic of Baluchistan’!

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 3:55PM

    @Indian:

    “Unfortunately this Indian you are talking about is not me.”

    Real misfortune. Possibly no amount of genuine arguments can change your closed thought process, but look, the new “Indian” guy has made up for you. Thank you new “Indian”.

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  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd)
    Feb 10, 2012 - 5:29PM

    @Mengal: Unfortunately for you, I have lived there for a long time and seen things from a very close distance.Those misguided militants are being sponsored by RAW,CIA & MOSSAD from where they get the funds to continue their operations.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:06PM

    @International Spectator:

    “Why are so many bloggers complaing about kashmir?.”

    Why should we not? Because it hurts India’s economic interests, so we should ignore the miseries of the millions of Kashmiri brothers. Kashmir is a disputed territory – Do not believe me? check yourself at Google Maps http://www.maps.google.com – which India is holding militarily. Pakistan only wants a fair plebiscite so that Kashmiri people can themselves decide whether they want to live with India or join Pakistan. A very fair demand, a promise repeatedly made by the Indian Prime Minister, Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru, in the UNO and to the people of Kashmir.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:07PM

    @International Spectator:

    “That is meddling in affairs of another country.”

    Not in case of Kashmir, because it is an internationally recognized disputed territory, while in case of Baluchistan, it definitely is, because it is not a disputed territory between Pakistan and India or any other state.

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  • Indian
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:08PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    ‘Possibly no amount of genuine arguments can change your closed thought process’ and ‘I think Baloochistan is an internal matter and should be solved by people of pakistan’..
    Hope you know the difference between an ‘opinion’ and a ‘genuine argument’…

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:08PM

    @International Spectator:

    “Balochistan was never a part of pakistan in 1947.”

    So were not the states of Kashmir, Hyderabad, and Jonagarh part of India in 1947, which you annexed later by force. At least we did it by negotiating an agreement with the relevant stake holders.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:09PM

    @International Spectator:

    “They are more closer to Iranians rthan punjabis.”

    As if all India is Brahmins. Baluchis are divided between Iranian Baluchistan and Pakistani Baluchistan and they are as much as Pakistani as Iranian. More Baluchis live in Karachi, Northern parts of Sind and Southern parts of Punjab than in Baluchistan itself.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:11PM

    @International Spectator:

    “Better to give them independence than face another Bangladesh situation.”

    Well you are doing your best to create that situation in order to divert world’s focus away from Kashmir, but this time you are bound to fail for these reasons.

    1. Majority of Baluchis do not want independence from Pakistan, but only want their due rights which must be and shall be given to them.
    2. Almost half of Baluchistan’s population is Pashtun, Hazara, and other sub-nationalities and they do not support the Indian sponsored BLA.
    3. There is no such geographical distance of 1,000 miles as was between East and West Pakistan, which put Pakistan Army to a great strategic disadvantage.

    We have already learnt many lessons from the East Pakistan tragedy, the mistake we made on all levels, and more importantly now we know your modus operandi very well.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:12PM

    @International Spectator:

    “Besides Balochistan’s mining wealth, if any, must not be eyed greedily by pakistan.”

    Only India has the divine right to lay their eyes everywhere on the globe for oil and gas, and we should not dare to use our natural resources for the benefit of the people of Pakistan. And also, you do not use one province’s minerals in other parts of India. Right?

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:15PM

    @International Spectator:

    “Bugti balochs relatives again killed has shocked the world.”

    Well, the world seems to be more shock resistant than you say. It did not take much of a note of the killings of 100,000+ Kashmiri Muslims and 5,000+ Sikhs. Or, all these tens of thousands of people were lesser human beings than the few Bluchi .

    “Even India is angry and cant tolerate this genocide against balochistanis”

    Hold on, you must look in the mirror first where you will see tortured, mutilated dead bodies of tens of thousands of Kashmiri Muslims and Punjabi Sikhs. Anyone to be angry upon is none but yourself.Recommend

  • Indian
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:15PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    “Not in case of Kashmir, because it is an internationally recognized disputed territory, while in case of Baluchistan, it definitely is, because it is not a disputed territory between Pakistan and India or any other state”Oh hoooo!!! So, did Baluchis fight against Pakistani occupation right from 1947 because they loved you and so they joined you or as many baluchis like Nawab Akbar Bugti said forcefully annexed????

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  • Indian
    Feb 10, 2012 - 7:31PM

    ‘we should ignore the miseries of the millions of Kashmiri brother’ – Well you guys are quite capable of ignoring your own people and the last time you did it, Bangladesh happened. This time you guys are so stubbornly bent upon making ‘Baluchistan’ happen..
    ‘Google Maps http://www.maps.google.com – which India is holding militarily’ – Oh the map that your the then darling and enemy/darling USA created??? NO. We say it a ‘Conspiracy created by the CIA and ISI to defame India’ which did not succeed!
    Pakistan only wants a fair plebiscite so that Kashmiri people’India only wants a fair plebiscite so that Baluch National people can themselves decide whether they want to live with Pakistan or become independent country like Bangladesh. A very fair demand according to the UNO and to the Baluch people.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Feb 11, 2012 - 11:45AM

    @Indian:

    “India only wants a fair plebiscite so that Baluch National people can themselves decide whether they want to live with Pakistan or become independent country like Bangladesh. A very fair demand according to the UNO and to the Baluch people.”

    A fair demand, but for this the proper recourse is the UNO. I ask you to press GOI to file a petition there. We have no problem respecting the wishes of our brothers and willing to accept any outcome of a democratic process. But the real question is — are you? –after killing 100,000+ Kashmiris.

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  • shameer
    Feb 18, 2012 - 11:54PM

    the balochistan issue must be address all international forums and it is highly appriciated that international community sympathyse with baloch nation. all Human Rights organizations and enlightend society observe the human rights violation in balochistan land.
    thanks
    shameer ahmad kalat

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