Amidst a fresh intrusion by Nato helicopters into Pakistani territory, purported Taliban commanders said on Wednesday that they get weapons and training from Pakistani military spy agency to fight foreign troops in Afghanistan.
Notwithstanding a quick denial from the Pakistani military, the allegations could potentially worsen the normalising ties between Pakistan and the US following months of political rhetoric and belligerent statements from US officials.
A number of middle-ranking Taliban commanders revealed the extent of Pakistani support in interviews for a BBC Two documentary series – “Secret Pakistan” – the first part of which was broadcast on Wednesday.
One Taliban commander, Mullah Qaseem, told the BBC that the important things for a fighter were supplies and a hiding place. “Pakistan plays a significant role. First they support us by providing a place to hide which is really important. Secondly, they provide us with weapons,” he said, according to excerpts provided by the BBC.
Other Taliban commanders described how they and their fighters were, and are, trained in a network of camps on Pakistani soil.
According to a commander using the name Mullah Azizullah, the experts running the training are either members of the ISI or have close links to it.
“They are all ISI men. They are the ones who run the training. First they train us about bombs; then they give us practical guidance,” he said.
Another Taliban fighter, known as Commander Najib, said al Qaeda trainers also operated in the camps, talent spotting possible suicide bombers.
“I was in the camp for a month ... They were giving us practical training in whatever weapons we specialised in ... suicide bombers were taken to a different section and kept apart from us. Those who were taught to be suicide bombers were there,” he said.
A former head of Afghan intelligence told the BBC Afghan officials gave former president Pervez Musharraf information in 2006 suggesting Bin Laden was hiding in Mansehra, a town just 20 kilometres from Abbottabad, but that the information was not acted upon.
Amrullah Saleh, head of the Afghan intelligence from 2004 to 2010, said Syed Akbar, a Pakistani believed to be smuggling guns to the Taliban, told the Afghan intelligence he had escorted Bin Laden from one location to another.
“The information we had was suggesting Mansehra was the town where Bin Laden was hiding ... after so many years, it turns out that Bin Laden was about 12 miles from that location,” he said.
Saleh and Afghan President Hamid Karzai took the evidence to Musharraf who, according to Saleh, reacted angrily.
“He [Musharraf] banged the table and looked at President Karzai and said, ‘am I president of a banana republic? If not, then how can you tell me Bin Laden is hiding in a settled area of Pakistan?’ I said ‘well, this is the information so you can go and check it’,” Saleh said.
The BBC said Pakistan strongly denied the allegations made in the programme.
The chief military spokesperson, Maj-Gen Athar Abbas, told the BBC: “To say that these militant groups were being supported by the state with the organised camps in these areas ... I think nothing could be further from the truth.”
The US is ratcheting up pressure on Pakistan asking the country to squeeze the militants in their ‘safe havens’ in the tribal regions. In an apparent move to bludgeon Islamabad into compliance, thousands of Nato and Afghan troops amassed on the border with North Waziristan.
On Wednesday Pakistani officials accused Nato helicopters of violating Pakistan’s air space over the North Waziristan Agency.
“Two helicopters intruded several kilometres inside Pakistani territory in Datta Khel town around 2:00 am,” an unnamed military official told AFP.
The helicopters flew in from the Afghan province of Paktia and circled the border village of Zoi Nara for more than five minutes, the official in Peshawar said.
But a spokesman for Nato’s US-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) told AFP that their “operational reporting” showed that no Isaf helicopter crossed the border, which is unmarked in many places.
A Pakistani military official said the choppers left after “warning shots” were fired by Pakistani troops. Officials said they were not attack helicopters.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 27th, 2011.
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Taliban has nothing to do with Islam and Islam is nothing to do with Taliban .
If the above is correct then.............
Pakistan has nothing to do with Islam and Islam has nothing to do with Pakistan .
The ground realities in prrsent day Pakistan also suggests that both above conclusions are correct .
@Pasha: from one pasha to another - its time to wake up a smell the coffee - stop being so naive. We pakistanis are obsessed with the outdated policy of strategic depth and an infatuation with India being our enemy. Times have changed and the mullahs are the real enemy of pakistan
@Y Khan: Isnt it obvious that BBC is implicitly blaming ISI for the death of the 35,000 civilians?
@Pasha:
You wanna bet?
The Nile flows in Egypt but Denial flows in Pakistan
Some grammatical error here: +++++++++++++++++++++++ "In an apparent move to bludgeon Islamabad into compliance, thousands of Nato and Afghan troops amassed on the border with North Waziristan."
BBC has turned into a joke. if the ISI is helping the Taliban then who the hell is responsible for killing 35000 innocent civilians.
Lets not forget that the same BBC was talking about the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
ISI would train Taliban so that they can attack our own people?
“He [Musharraf] banged the table and looked at President Karzai and said, ‘am I president of a banana republic? If not, then how can you tell me Bin Laden is hiding in a settled area of Pakistan?’ I said ‘well, this is the information so you can go and check it’,” Saleh said. Oh, I wish I were there to watch the scene! It must have been funny!
Pakistan continues to live up to it's reputation - perhaps it's time to pull your collective heads out of the sand and listen to what the rest of the World is saying.
I don't think an organization which wants to stay in business ever reveals its true resources... hence proven it's a BIG FAT LIE...
what a joke....by accepting the ISI backing not only they are stabbing the ISI but jeopardizing their own chances of getting more so called 'SUPPORT" only an insane mind would believe the story.
Ok, keep your eyes closed till these Taliban, Haqqani, Al Queda join CIA, RAW or MOSSAD and take Pakistan to task.
Interesting article - Allegations like this have been around forever.
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What utter rubbish!
that mean Taliban have links with BBC
is this ISI who is providing endian and russian weapons to these talibans to use them against Pakistan?? thats why usa is against ISI.... great!!!!! waao these talibans are doing what america cannot do against Pakistan. People of Pakistan are not as fool as american's who see the world with the eyes of CNN and BBC. Pak Army and ISI and people of Pakistan will deal with them by the help of Allah SWT.
lols... now they should also mention that ISI has intructed them to tell media about it.. Lols infact these taliban's are american funded and telling the story which uncle sam has told them to say. Thay have shown their true identity once again...
@Aqdas Shaukat: Pakistan is on the edge. Denying the truth has gotten it there. Unless a course correction takes place, Pakistan's future is bleak beyond belief. Only confronting the truth will save Pakistan now. There has been enough lying over the 60 years.
If this news is correct then good bye and good night.
if a person from Afghanistan went to media and say himself a taliban who was trained by ISI, would you all educated people accept this news blindly ? come on ISI supported taliban against Rusia and this is the way back in 80's. live up boys stop playing blame game against ISI.
Denial number one million and---- has not been issued so far. It so appears that draft for the same is being delibrated which should not annoy the Americans.
@vasan: We're not all like this >_<
ROFL now Talibans will say openly that ISI is supporting them ..what a fish !
Once again Pakistan will get into the 'denial' mode which they have practiced and perfected over so many years. The whole world is wrong and only Pakistan is right.
Denialism , thy name is Pakistan. Looks like Pakistanis never look at their face in the mirror.
True, false or otherwise, it really doesn't matter. The Taliban has just become easier to believe than Pakistan. Be proud, that took a lot of hard work on your end. This is not isolated to a few countries. It's pretty much the whole world with your neighbors as an exception and that's just because they're forced to acknowledge your presence and danger for their own safety and progress. Tell enough lies and people are not going to find it productive to talk to you at all. That leaves one other option. All you guys ever say is "no we didn't" while every single one of your accusers have lists of reasons that could be mistaken for a novel for everyone to believe otherwise
Ofcourse this is CIA, RAW and MOSSAD conspiracy. lol.. hahaha this conspiracy theory is not even funny anymore.
There is a shloka in Sanskrit - Vinashkale Vipreet Budhi.. loosly translating 'As the time turns bad the mind starts behaving in more destructive fashion' . Anyways as suggested by someone, why doesn't ISI sue BBC for defamation ?
@Palvash von Hassell:
The article above nor my comment have anything to do with my country of origin. The commentors simply have introduced all the conspiracies that usually revolve around my country. I simply stated the obvious!
I have seen the clip for this "documentary" the supposed Taliban commander even with a hidden face doesn't look like a Taliban. His eyes look more like an Uzbek or something. Moreover when he says they were trained and provided weapons by the ISI and the soldiers coming to train them were wearing "ISI uniforms" grow up BBC, ISI's men don't have any uniforms The supposed "training camp in Pakistan" they show can be anywhere in Afghanistan the landscapes aren't any different. In short a shabby effort to defame the ISI; Shameless BBC in its effort to blame the ISI for all the failings of the West in Afghanistan could have done with a better "script".
I watched the documentary, typical propaganda from western media....God bless the ISI.
@poorpeace:it is an open secret that indian and western media, especially US media is dominted by anti muslim hawks,who propagate lies under instructions of certain intelligence agencies like CIA and RAW.it must not be forgotten that US media had also carried out a Baseless compaign regarding WOMs in Iraq.
Another "Deja-Vu" Iraq has stock piles of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Rings a familiar bell ?
TALIBAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM AND ISLAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TALIBAN same is their position with PAKISTAN
This is "Deja-Vu". Yesterday, Nearing the end of the so called "Afghan War", Pakistan was being prepared for the grill for pursuing Nuclear Weapons Capability. Today, Nearing the end of the so called "War on Terror", Pakistan is being prepared for the grill for pursuing links with 'Rag-Tags', on whom the world's greatest super power had declared a war, and who have inflicted a humiliating defeat.
National motto of Pakistan has always been "Let Facts Not Interfere With Opinion".
If anyone had told us that Osama was living in Abbottabad in April this year, we would have straight away dismissed it as an Indian conspiracy.
Similarly, we will not believe anything that does not fit in the opinions we have already formed. Our Army and our great ISI can do no wrong. And even if they do some wrong, as a patriot, we have to support their actions !
I thought the BBC is a news channel. From the contents of this article it appears that the mainstream news channel is now in the field of drama making as well. Is it that difficult to get a bunch of a few beard Afghans and attach Mulla this & Mulla that OR Mulla Muhammad with their names----, pay some ransom and kidnap their ideas for an hour or so. The script must be written in advance, because the contents should match with the statements of US & NATO officials, backing with warnings already printed in British and US newspapers. Most importantly, a few incursions and incidents of terrorism occurred in the past. The preposterous quote of the former head of Afghan Intelligence reflects the extent to which the Afghans, US and other NATO states are obsessed with the future role of Pakistan in Afghanistan. Anyone in the field of security would tell you that the trainers would never reveal their organizational identity. The BBC is not only failing its viewers, but also undermining the conventional wisdom. I must admit that everything is changed in terms of professional and high-standard of reporting by the international media. Conspiring to present popular views of the most powerful is proportionately damaging the ethical aspect of modern journalism, the BBC in this documentary has touched that level.
Pakistan has to get transform on its own or will be mutated by the external forces . The required back ground work is on now.
Very disappointed by bbc. Not only they are spreading hatred but also making war on terror more diffuicult. Some one has already said above, speak lies so loud that they start sounding truth!
I watched this programme ...it was evident that theyve lost the war, their forces including NATO are stuck there....and they just want a reason...to make Pakistan a scapegoat !
very funny and at the same time stupid if Pakistan support them then why they make problem for their well wisher. Ridicules reporting by western media. Somebody help them to survive and they make problem for him to give like that statement is this possible?
Nice joke..another plan of western media to malign Pakistan and put pressure on them..this clearly shows how Talibans are controlled by west.
BBC and Afghanistan has far more superior intelligence than British MI and they have found this MAN as a joint effort who claim that he was trained by ISI and was taken in black car - Which movie scene is taken from :)
Time to wake up & stop playing double games with the world! Nobody believes & trust us now. We will be declared a terrorist state & NATO will bomb us like they did in Iraq & take us back into stone ages. Sadly we do not even have oil to rebuild ourselves. Time to think logically & rationally instead of emotionally. USA is the sole world power & can destroy us!
@pakpinoy: Won't give up, will you, defending your saintly and moral empire? Mind your Wall St. battleground, the latest symptom of its demise.
All pakis commenter above keep living in fools paradise no one can argue with your conspiracy theories.
And why are taliban commander speaking now? One must ask themselves why would a bad guy mention to everyone where he hides, how he commits crimes, who supports him etc. Wouldn't doing that be akin to destroying themselves?
Way to go West. Your propaganda machine is in full swing. May god protect Pakistan.
As usual blame the ISI for all the problems. Just make India and USA happy. The Pakistani military and ISI is always an easy target to blame.
I can't help but laugh at the "allegations". Pak Army should sue BBC for this.
@pakpinoy
Previous post got "censored" it appears...Let me try to finish my comment below.
Hahaha! It’s comical to see all the comments above. The same posters were very over-eager to believe Haqqani when he claimed he wasn’t in Pakistan. Now they claim the Taliban are liars. Which is it?!?
You guys are like a foolish man denying having an affair even after being got red-handed by the partner!
America is following ' Push and Pull ' strategy . They have got 2 groups in DC where one frames allegations to boost and see our response and the other group which is state department then interferes to cater for and cover this slander . ISI is a professional organization and I won't think they will do this sort of stupid tabo like brats ! Oodles of money is needed and they are not dog bitten to spend it on Afghanistan !
The Talibans are just trying to create a rift between Pakistan and United States. US should trust Pakistan as they have been suffering the most over the past few years. Its time we eliminate these militants for good.
LOL ! Comon the US can do better than thaaat lol
ISI have not so much spare time for training Taliban in Pakistan. Taliban are totally trained by your own malevolent MI6 and CIA. Now once again CIA, MI6, RAW and MOSSAD are also intriguing to defame ISI but they can't demoralize our patriotic ISI. They are maligning ISI just because it is the biggest obstacle in front of their malicious intentions in this territory. ISI have become a nightmare for these agencies.
What foolish allegations. I dnt understand on one side they are doing operations like laden. and on another hand they think talibans are trained in NW. and what they think that the person who is trainned thier will tell them we are trainned by who if we just suppose it is right which can't be. Grow up and come with better blaming ideas so even common men can belive.
Only insane and Indians will be believing in this story.
Indians keep on saying one thing that Pakistan is doing it (millitancy) since its birth. I dont know how they forget
1) Mukti Bahni which was trained by India 2) Tamil tigers who were trained by India and them left behind. 3) TTP is the most recent example.
Nothing new in the story. Actually these are pressure tactics. That Pakistan supports terrorism to augment its foreign policy endeavours is a universal fact now. For the common man the world over there is no requirement of any proof of this. But Pakistan officially denies all these. More importantly is the purpose of this denial. Pakistan is not ready to abandon this policy. US is nudging Pakistan to reconsider. Lets see who gives in first. However apparently it seem Pakistan has been far more prepared for this show down and is showing a lot of grit and power. USA has been a gross under-performer being a superpower and is basically always proving to be unsure of its next step. These are crazy times.
There is nothing new about this. But the reason why this has come out now to set the stage for a US/NATO invasion of Pakistan in the next couple of years....Afghanistan ,Iraq,Libya and now Pakistan , the list looks endless......
BBC is wrong, NYTimes and Washington post is also wrong, all Indian news papers are wrong, all israeli news papers are wrong. Everybody is wrong. In this whole world truth is spoken only in Pakistan!
lets just admit that we have Jihadi sympathesizers inside ISI who love supporting these sick people. They are still friends since the Soviet invasion. This needs to stop and if our government and army keeps supporting them, they will slowly come into our urban cities (which they already are) and brainwash our youth n cause even more havoc. Their branding of Islam is way too embarassing and shameful than other sects of our peaceful religion.
And when our media people writing on ISI supporting Taliban etc they get killed. R.I.P Shahzad Saleem :(
Well how did the BBC get in contact with these people...May be these r among few afghanis living in UK...briught to some location and recorded the show...Musharaf was dummy of US then why did not played for more money with them...these are funny jokes...
Imagine if ISI is helping them then they must be thankfull to them..not to publish like...is it logical not really i think..
well known 'secret'
We all know this is a propaganda game in some quarters to keep the pressure on Pakistan. Anyone who sees the documentary in the West can tell it rehashes the same stale allegations which seem to be coming from Afghan agents on the payroll of their Indian masters. The so called Taleban in the interview specifically claims that uniformed officers wearing ISI uniforms were training him ! What a load of nonsense. Does anyone think that the ISI would be so obvious? My best guess is that these so called sources are just paid agents out to defame Pakistan. We all know that Pakistan has given the greatest sacrifice in fighting extremism in the region which was the result of our successful role in defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan. The many foreigners and criminal groups in the region were dumped and abandoned on Pakistan after their use was completed in pushing out the Soviets. The only nation which has the right to accuse others of being two faced or having a double policy is Pakistan which deserves far greater credit and support for its key role in defeating the Soviets and now bringing extremists under control.
And from where they get stinger missile??? Originally US made...
This article itself manifests that Taliban are US proxies working for them to attain formers' goals
Pakistan should watch out for the fall outs of its Afghan Policy. Right now, the US is in difficult position with its thousands of troops stuck in Afghanistan, so it is cautious in its approach towards Pakistan. In 2014, when almost all of its troops are out of Afghanistan, it won't critically need Pakistan. At that time, US is going to take revenge for the double game that Pakistan has been playing and the poor commoners of the country will be at the receiving end, as the "holy cow" is immune to sufferings.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
To all the men in uniform: to use evil against evil, (using the Taliban against US occupation), this will do us no good, never! They will always come back to haunt us when they are done in Afghanistan, we have been trapped in this vicious cycle since forever!
It is hard to believe that the Taliban are so naive that they divulge information on their own helpers.
Americans often complain about how Pakistanis send them inflated bills to cover the cost of fighting the war on terrorism. Someone please explain to them that it takes twice as much to fight on both sides!
India's stand vindicated.
These are blatant and cooked up charges against Pakistan, it was the west which nurtured Taliban and now they are continuing their propaganda. it is very easy to show someone as Taliban "commander" and start to accuse Pakistan, but the ground realities are different. the platitude news was beyond reality. The west must realize the predicament of Pakistan as it is facing in war on terror.
Anyone can say, "I am funded by US and UK to bomb in Pakistan and DE-stablize it." on any national television. This is the only way to pressure Pakistan to self destruct itself by creating a civil war environment in the country. These militants are puppets from USA and UK funded and are working for them as well.
We all are standing and willing to stand up against USA. USA can buy the politicians but not the entire nation.
Afghanistan, Iran, China and India are our neighbor and we can deal with all of them. If US or UK is so honest with their people, Just release the footage/Evidence USAMA DEATH/PENTAGON ATTACK. Because no one has seen the drama made by USA.
Americans often complain about how Pakistanis send them inflated bills to cover the cost of fighting the war on terror. Someone please explain to them that it takes twice as much to fight on both sides!
Ground is set to attack Pakistan through NATO. Another Libya in the making. We all know how western media create atmosphere and worlwide opinion to suppress and destroy a nation. We are about to see similar seens when agents will be pushed to destabalize Pakistan and NATO will come to rescue so called freedom fighters.
Weldone BBC for not showing sacrifices of Pakistan.
Obviously, these Taliban commanders are agents of CIA/RAW/Mossad and they are lying. I cannot imagine how the ISI would do such a despicable thing.
taliban also told america where they sitting so they can drone them
what a foolish article is this.
Another nice phrase from Joseph Goebbels Tactics Book
Assalam-o-Allaikum Warahmatullah.Taliban's new game of creating misunderstanding and misconceptions between USA and Pakistan once again and adding fuel to fire on the already tied misunderstood matters about Haqqani/Taliban/Alqaeda network between USA and Pakistan and are making hay while the sun shines.In other words Taliban are cashing and getting the maximum advantages of clashes between Pakistan-US leadership in regard of terrorism and interference in Afghanistan by ISI and are giving full chance to Indian leaders that they could say this that we have said it before that ISI is supporting Taliban/Haqqani network in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
how can it be verified that he was a real taliban or an agent of RAW that is activiley working against pakistan and ISI while sitting in Afghanistan.
'Conspiracy theory' was supposed to be 'Conspiracy '
Conspiracy theory of RAW-CIA-MOSSAD & Talibans to defame isi and pakistan.
These Taliban are Liars. Anyone who dares to speak against Pakistan is a Liar.
stupidest thing I ever heard...ISI agents tells them before training that you are being trained by isi.
We love our ISI no matter what these western or their indian lovebirds say.
ISI is first line of defence for Pakistan and thats why its biggest hurdle for foreign agencies to further their agenda
I think these allegations are chain to same policy, west had owned for having rights to violate the international laws mapped by themselves against any peaceful & peace loving nation. Hitler only asked "speak lies so loudly that it looks a true myth" but today west is practicing this in true sense.
When India alleged the same so many years ago, it was not even reported in BBC. Now, today they have not only accepted India, but have to face a situation where their own soldiers are getting killed by Pakistani actions.
Indian blood is much cheaper than Western blood I suppose for them. Karma hitting back? I hope not.
But, to get back to the topic, Pakistan has been doing that ever since its birth. In 1948 Jinnah, the nation's founder and the reason that Pakistan is in the state it is now, had allowed non-state actors(although he did not use the term, but merely implied it) to take over half of Kashmir, forcing the Raja to accede to India. So, the power of precedence is very strong. Pakistan is merely following that precedence set by none other than its Quaid.
this must be a new trap to put pressure on I.S.I. surely.. no matter that you do cia,us and nato, your all traps will be useless at the end
it smells a malicious plane of CIA and RAW to defame ISI.iam quite sure no one is going to believe in such a slander.
After Libya, Syria and Pakistan are next ... I don't see why it is such a big issue.
Look at the way the Western Mainstream Media (British BBC) is framing Pakistan, they are building story on a boys allegations.
Boys narrative tells how he was fed this story by Afghan intelligence, I don't think ISI would be that stupid to have such camps where CIA has its own network that drop drone target chips.
Fake!