ISLAMABAD:
Disregarding US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s statement earlier this week that India should take the lead in Asia, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Saturday said that Pakistan does not want a ‘Chaudhry’ (chieftain) in the region.
Speaking to the media at the PM Secretariat after attending a ceremony, Gilani said that Pakistan will not accept any country’s hegemony in the region. “We don’t want any Chaudhry (chieftain) in the region,” he remarked.
On July 20, Clinton argued that India needed to play a bolder leadership role in building security and prosperity in the region. “India’s leadership has the potential to positively shape the future of the Asia-Pacific,” she said in Chennai.
Dr Fai’s arrest
As the United States expands the scope of investigation into the alleged links between Dr Ghulam Nabi Fai and the ISI by making more arrests, Pakistani authorities have been cautious in their reaction.
Even Prime Minister Gilani was careful in his comments on the issue.
“The matter is being investigated and let the facts come, we will see then,” he told a questioner.
Fai, 62, was arrested by FBI on Tuesday for ‘obtaining money from the ISI and using it to lobby for the Pakistani government in the US.
It is believed that US carried out these arrests at the behest of India which has hailed the move.
“Yes, his arrest was long overdue,” the Press Trust of India reported India’s Home Secretary R K Singh as saying on the sidelines of a regional security conference in the Bhutanese capital, Thimpu, on Saturday. “We had a fair degree of suspicion that the money he [Fai] used to get was given by the agencies in Pakistan,” Singh added.
Although Gilani lauded the services of Dr Fai for the Kashmir cause, he refrained to comment on the matter. “He is not a Pakistani citizen. He was a citizen of occupied Kashmir,” the PM remarked
(ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM AFP)
Published in The Express Tribune, July 24th, 2011.
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Only the Pakistan Prime minister seems to have taken Clinton's comments seriously. Bangladesh,Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives,Bhutan, China & even India have simply ignored them.
@Every Indian
I didn't say that I want China as the Chaudhry, nor did I say that Pakistan would welcome any Chaudry in the region. My comment was directed towards an obnoxious individual that felt India was somehow greater than what it actually is. And lets face it, if there ever will be a chaudry in the region, God forbid, it will be China (a country feared by even the US) and not India.
@Shameful Indian: May be you are shameless, but not majority of Indians. We recognise our strengths and weaknesses. It is very naive of you to think that the problems we inherited would be over soon. But, unlike Pakistan, we are moving in right direction. And remember development is a contineous proccess.
USA will use India as a proxy to further its objectives namely 1. To contain China and Russia 2. To help safeguard the Middle East oil and waterways In addition it seems an America , India and Israel axis is developing
Dont take Clinton's statement so seriously !! She was just engaging in the popular game of PAKI-BASHING verbally atleast!!! India will decide at its on sweet time if it wants to be chaudary of the region!! Meanwhile China is annoying most countries in South east Asia with its un reasonable claims on the South China sea...& not to speak of its problems with Japan, Taiwan & Korea + plus ofcourse the US!!! So no chaudhary as well!!! Plus they are busy killing ur fellow muslims urghurs in Hotan just across the border from Kashmir
@My Name is Khan: yes. it is true. I always liked pakistani groceries in Ireland. Rubicon juice was my favourite. Unbeatable natural taste, unlike Indian where only sugar mixed to enhance taste. I liked pakistani namkeen and kheer mix with rich of nuts from karachi. I liked pak punjabi pickle. great taste. I must confess that i really miss them now.
I really admire Pakistan Double Faced International Outlook......
They dont want regional hegemony (as if India is interested to become).... But till Americans kept aid purses open for them .. they accepted their global hegemony and ascribed themselves as the title of America's best friend.... Now when the aid tap ran dry.... they cry foul.... but are ready to accept Chinese hegemony.....
Just cut out the double talk.. and say what you want to say... clearly ....we dont want India's hegemony....however Chinese are welcome...
@Sajida: thanks for bringing agriculture into the discussion. I have no hesitation in admitting that India has a long way to go in field of irrigation. I hope we get leaders in near future who understand urgent need to invest billions of dollars in irrigation and agricultural research instead of superficial populist measures for farmers.
Pakistan always wanted a chaudhary in the region - that is why it was signatory to SEATO and CENTO - bringing US in as a peace maker. There needs to be a peacemaker in the region, especially since Pakistan is the home of OBL and all if his ilk.
@Riaz Haq: And, what does Steve Forbes say now, in 2011?
@Shakir Lakhani: "India has refused to pay five billion dollars which it owes to Iran for oil (again, under U.S. pressure). " If you have any sense of honour or self-respect, you are required to furnish the supporting proof for such an assertion. If you cannot provide any supporting proof, you are a liar who invents facts to malign his opponents, not quite uncommon in Pakistan from its highest echelons to the common citizenry on the street. Before you make a fool of yourself, be reminded that the differences between Iran and India were on which currency to use for payment which incidentally has been settled sometime back! Payment was never disputed!
While it was on expected line,Pakistan will take Mrs Clinton advice to India with pinch of salt.But Indian themselves not willing to play any kind of Chowdhary role any where in world.I as a Indian want India to use her soft power more and occasionally hard power when necessary.It is a destiny of India to become once again influential power of world.And why US want India to become more assertive is explain by this article in asiamonitor ...."The Geo-politics are never written in stone and they are extremely fluid in nature that nothing is ever guaranteed.
http://southasiamonitor.org/detail.php?t ype=n&nid=838
In this article,Daniel Twining former member of the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff and Foreign Policy Advisor to Senator John McCain,a doctorate in International Relations from Oxford University believes more and more that “political legitimacy will be the primary currency of international politics in the 21st century”.
Also,the US National Intelligence Council has called India the decisive “swing state” in the international system. India’s posture is thus central to the long-term position of the US and other democracies. As the US relative decline is inevitable, United states will ensure that the vacuum must be filled by emerging democracies and India plays a pivotal role here."
The dominance of India is not regional but it is global in the sense that 1.2 bl people are living in a free secular democratic set up resulting the production of quality brain .Only such educated youth can design software for Drone and Patriot on one hand and for modern medical equipments on the other . Hence the Mental dominance is far better than the economic or the territorial dominance .
No, it would not be China. They're too inwardly focused. They also seem well aware of their own faults they're still ironing out on the inside. In the future, maybe. Now? Not a chance. So, yes, if one was chosen at this moment it would be India. The political sense of Pakistan in any area falls on very deaf ears now unless it contains hints of something that will cause harm to other countries so you may as well save your breath.
@Riaz Haq: Your mind appears to be working overtime on India. The pathetic state which Pakistan is now is due to over obsession with India and more-so on Kashmir issue. India who is making an all effort in improving its economy to surpass China is least interested in conflict with any of its neighbours which will only jeopardise its goal. Therefore, in the fitness of things intellectuals and economists in Pakistan should really concentrate their energies on its failing economy, education, health and curbing violence in the country. You may not aware that in a recent survey, eighty percent Indians wants a stable Pakistan in its neighbourhood.
Leading the world and dictating its terms to the world are two different aspects. India is looking for a leadership role in the region. China on the other hand is trying to play the role of a dictator. Pakistanis will benefit more under India's leadership than China's dictatorship.
Much ado about nothing!
this statement has touched the raw nerve it seems.
@amjid:
Talking from experience aren't you?
LOL - to all Indians and Pakistanis here - this is a typical US tactic to keep tensions between India and Pakistan high even though they give bs empty statements about how they want to see us working together in peace! Peace between India and Pak is NOT in the US interest - get that through your skulls! Tension between us means billions of dollars in arms sales to the US, and a gauarantee that neither India or Pakistan OR China can become powerful enough to challenge the American "might" which is waning rapidly as it is. Thats the real writing on the wall my Indian and Pakistani friends! Remember the old British raj concept of :divide and rule" which eventually led to Partition! Same game still being played by the new colonial master - the US!
@Rajan:
You frogot The Department of Home Land Security where Pakistan added thousands and thousands of jobs. Airport Security is very thankful.
@saeed:
At least they $2.00 of their own and it is not aid like you are living on for the past 60 years.
@Joe:
Go get some skills Joe. If you want make plastic toys, move to China, that is where the toy action is.
@amjid:
Let us! Want to take a guess what happens when US leaves (which is myth in itself) to Pakistan?
Without US tax payer's $, you can't last two weeks. Pakistan's problem always has been believing it is bigger than it actually is, Pakistan is insignificant in all its current manifestation. Bankrupt country living on IMF and other peoples money, epicenter of terrorism, infested with terrorism, absymmal law and order, neither the military nor the civilain government is in charge, and you are boasting.
Dude, take good look in the mnirror.
Indians should not envy Israel. It has shown little economic dynamism for all the donor funds it gets. It survives on donor aid and has little to show for it. One should ask what is the problem.
Meanwhile here is the state of its main donor: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/budgetary-deceit-and-amerb907684.html Budgetary Deceit and America's Decline
This is just a prelude to worse when the minority majority era takes hold. That generation is already in its cradle, so the time is nigh.
Hillary Clinton is just priaising Indians so that she can win some business for bankrupt US economy. India is very long way for being any sort of regional "Chaudhry"
@Pappi Larry:
Don't compare Pakistan economy to emerging Indian economy. If you wanna make yourself happy compare yourself with Somalia or Ethiopia that's your stature.
Yes, you can invite China to be your Chowdhry, what else you can do.. Tell me one thing that Pakistan achieved in the last 60 years-- A BIG ZERO.
India is not a Chowdhry to any one and will not allow any country to dictate terms to her. US is begging India as evident from recent Indian rejection of Fighter aircraft deal. We rejected their age old F16 (which are your proud), they are now kneel down before India, and begging to sell their F-35.
THAT IS INDIA.
@Shakir Lakhani: The url you qupye refers to 2007. It is accurate but outdated. NREGA (National Rural EMployment Guarantee Act) has been introduced in India since then and it has pushed up wages for unskilled workers significantly. Here is an article that you may want to read http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/columnists/swaminathan-s-a-aiyar/leftists-rightly-screaming-jobless-growth-sa-aiyar/articleshow/9085837.cms but I am quoting the relevant excerpt below : "Between January 2008 and December 2010, agricultural wages skyrocketed 106.3% in AP, 84.1% in Punjab, 73.6% in Tamil Nadu and 62.9% in Maharashtra. In poor states, wages rose 62.8% in Orissa, 62.3% in UP, 58.5% in Bihar, and 56.3% in MP. Even allowing for 30% inflation over three years, poor workers gained hugely".
@Zahid Qureshi: India is sitting on the shoulders of a country (USA) already suffering from shaky foundations where as Pakistan seems to be united with China which gives goose bumbs to India as well as USA. Lets see where we endUP.
YOUR COUNTRY MY FRIEND IS HEADED TO THE GUTTER.
@Riaz Haq: "... Israel envy ... "
True, we do suffer from Israel/Jew envy - not for the reasons you mention - but for the way the country is run and for their contribution to humanity. We hope to govern India the same way and be able to have similar achievements.
Only fools wage wars. Only fools try to become CHAUDHRYS. Time and again history has proved that if a state extends outside of its natural boundaries, it invites downfall.
Pakistan has nothing to fear from India. They are even more disorganized and incompetent than us. Their dreams are built on sand and we know it better than others. Behind their bluster, we know their weak joint points...
@fahim: Agree with you Mr Fahim! Unfortunately we are a very small bunch of Indians who comment on this page. The sad truth is the new Indian generation does not know much about Pakistan. They are least bothered. Most of them are just not interested. They are too busy entertaining themselves, have too much distraction [whether they are Hindus, muslims, christians etc.]. They are not very religious but atleast they should not forget that humanity [insaaniyat] is the biggest religion. They are drifting away from the regional issues. People like like Vajpayee although he belonged to BJP came in a bus to Lahore. All these great people are not remembered now. Gone are the days!
@kamal It is up your do nothing politicians to avert disaster. They will not be able to divert waters, as most farmers do not rely on river waters. That is why India is epicenter of tubewell use in Asia. You need infrastructure for that and India cannot build other needed infrastructure, so how will it build this? It will need to do it very fast, too fast for its capability.
@Sajida..... (((The country now produces less rice per hectare than its far poorer neighbors: Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.”))))...
Did you just suggest that Pakistan Srilanka and Bangladesh are far poorer than India ???
Your fellow Pakistanis are crying hoarse that India is the poorest country in the region and Pakistan is the most prosperous :))
@Rahul Singh: Its better that you read the writing on the wall well before you are doomed to have the same fate as before you . Because where You are trying to establish your CHAUDHRAHAT.. Two world Superpowers had been buried in that region in the mere time span of 30 years. You want to venture , Be my guest .Go for it.. We will see where will you stand after ten years.. Go my brave soldier. Try it.
Pakistanis do not want India to be the chaudhary but they would accept China as their master any day. Let me tell you Chinese will not support you..their only priority is economy .....no prize for guessing who they will support when it comes to economics. I think it will take a lot from Pakistan to even stand on its feet in the next few years. Pakistan need to think about their survival for the next 2 years...if not, we have a danger of losing our neighbor
@Sajida: You really need help !!
@Riaz Haq: Where do you get this notion that, considering India's current position it would want to entertain any conflict in the region???? They have had plenty of reasons and justifications to do so, however they have held back, because they know their goals and long term objectives, which sadly one can not even comprehand in regards to Pakistan !!!! As you stated that this comments in Forbes were made in 2002, well its 9 years down the line ! can you relate it to the actual situation on ground today???
@fahim: You need another 100 million people with your mind set, than perhaps there is hope for the country, and also perhaps you can re-educate those who have been indoctrinated already !!!
@Pappi Larry: Well you really need to come out of that Cocoon first !!! as you mentioned "China- Pakistan 2010" ???? For start its 2011, the month is July and the date today is 24th !!! Shows how up to date you are !!!!! You should pray that having masters like US is far better, as they are generous and rather stupid not to question how you spend the money ! Secondly they believe in democracy, so will tolerate and respect basic human rights !!! However, with China its a rather different scenario, Firstly they are not in habit of being generous or willing to turn blind eye when someone abuses their money!! secondly their track record in human Rights does not required to be questioned, as its non existent !!! Thirdly they actually will shoot the person caught pilfering, or being involved in corruption and also charge the family for the cost of Bullett !!!! That's how geneous they really are !!! So pick your friends wisely !!!
East or West, India is the best. What Clinton has suggested is too insignificant a title for India to accept, because we will be surpassing USA for sure one day and occupy the TOP SLOT .
How can they dump us and make overtures to India? After 64 years of faithfull service(for billions of dollars, offcourse) that's how they reward us? Where is justice and fairness?
@Sajida,if anything what you mentioned does happen we will divert waters from all the rivers which passes through India.So you better pray that nothing of that sort happens in future.
Clinton design will actually weaken India. It will lead to further misallocation of precious resources. India is a debtor country and unlike US doesn't have benefit of a reserve currency.It is well on its way to a debt trap. Further, it is sowing seeds of mass anarchy due mismanagement of soil and water resources (aquifer loss in particular). India needs to spend to get its rural house in order, before it is too late. Time is not India's fiend. See: "about 100 million hectares — or 70% — is heading down a path where it will be incapable of supporting farming."
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-07-12/news/297653981soils-farmers-cereal-production India’s soil crisis: Land is weakening and withering See also: “The overuse of one type—urea—is so degrading the soil that yields on some crops are falling and import levels are rising. So are food prices, which jumped 19% last year. The country now produces less rice per hectare than its far poorer neighbors: Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703615904575052921612723844.html Green Revolution in India Wilts as Subsidies Backfire See also: India is also epicenter of tubewell explosion: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6321-asian-farmers-sucking-the-continent-dry.html Asian farmers sucking the continent dry
This story reminds me of a piece "India, Meet Austria-Hungary" that Steve Forbes wrote and published in the March 4, 2002 edition of Forbes magazine. It essentially says that India, with US encouragement, is growing too big for its britches, a development whch US might come to regret if India sees it as a signal to go to war with Pakistan.
Here's an excerpt from it:
"Getting back to the present, do Indian war hawks believe China will stand idly by as India tried to reduce Pakistan to vassal-state status? Do they think Arab states and Iran won't fund Muslim guerrilla movements in Pakistan, as well as in India itself? Where does New Delhi think its oil comes from (about 70%, mainly from the Middle East)? Does India think the U.S. will stand by impotently if it starts a war that unleashes nuclear weapons?"
http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/04/indias-hostility-toward-pakistan.html
@Realist.: Don't confuse yourself with the notion that Indian Policies are Pakistan Centric!!!! If you really check the ground reality, than nothing could be further from truth, that if anything Indian Policies both Economic and Defence are perhaps more Chinese Centric today. Pls face the facts, Pakistan really does not even come into the equation, when it comes to these two major players in the region and on world stage !!!! Pakistan is just a juvenile neighbour who has habit of making nuisance of themselves, while India is just cruising along with 8-9% growth rates consistantly year on year, and has better things to deal with than watch their juvernile neighbour, rather than being on receiving end of Pakistan's animosity towards India !!!
@Roflcopter: Yes !! Its very funny, i agree !! Just remember 1971 !!! Perhaps you have been deprived of actual history in your education and been taught the one that suited the rulers at the time!!!
India's foreign policy has never been independent. It used to be an ally of the Soviet Union and supported the invasion of Afghanistan. It attended the Moscow Olympics in 1980 despite most countries of the world boycotting it. It used to have Iran as a friend (Iran even supported the Indian position on Kashmir), but now India (under pressure from the U.S.) has withdrawn from the Iran Pakistan India pipeline project. India is now being manipulated by the U.S. to keep the region in turmoil. India has refused to pay five billion dollars which it owes to Iran for oil (again, under U.S. pressure). 836 million Indians (80%) live on half a dollar (twenty rupees a day), if you don't believe me, you can read all about it at http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/10/idUSDEL218894. So how can India ever be a superpower? Having nuclear weapons can't stop India's disintegration if it can't feed its hungry millions. The Soviet Union collapsed despite having thousands of nuclear warheads. Get real, Indians! Stop behaving like ostriches.
When Hillary came to Pak, there were "US Murdabad protests' and she had to face a hostile press conference on KL aid. Only when she said pointedly, "If you don't want the KL aid, you are free to reject it," the noise did stop.
Compare this to her visit to India. She was fawned all over, the press conference was joviality itself, and she wanted Indian businessmen to invest in US.
80 percent of India love US (unlike Pak) and now the US is slowly realizing the folly of giving money to an ungrateful nation. US has now realized that there is no point in cultivating a Failed State.
Indians love US and the relationship will only get stronger in the years to come!
@ Rahul - buddy you need to get your own house in order first: 600 million people earn less than a $1 a day. Swaths of territory are under the control of Naxalites, with countless other separatist movements. Incredible India is not so in incredible disarray. Your debt-to-GDP ratio is in excess of 74%. Pakistan's is 61% (even after the massive debt taken on by the PPP in the last three years). US Aid has a miniscule impact on Pakistan's economy. Additionally, before you get all giddy about being a US ally, see the fate of all other allies. This is a taxing relationship. Remember the US will never let India turn into a "wild animal". Consequently, they will use separatist movements (carrot and stick) to keep a check on you to subjugate your foreign and economic policy. Good riddance from the US for Pakistan. China we embrace you as the Chaudhry. Pakistan will be your running mate any day! China-Pakistan for 2010!
@ All Pakistanis...It seems that years of US-AID dependent existence has taken away our ability to think logically. Other nations think about strategies to build their ecoonomy whereas we are always looking for more aid.And upon that we also dream of being take seriously. We want to overthrow US and become a regional power though we cannot pay our own bills, need US aid and need bail-outs from IMF and world bank. Our political leadership is considered to be the most corrupt worldwide and even by our fellow pakistanis.And the biggest miracle is that we still keep shouting "We are the best" , "We are Allah's chosen ones" and we want the whole world to accept our greatness.
@ Zahid Qureshi......So u do agree that Pakistan is in USA's grip !!
@Shakir Lakhani: As always, a reflex response based on a tissue of lies: India the poorest country in south asia?? Only sri lanka has a higher per capita gdp. An economy growing by 8 to 9 %, bilateral trade with china equivalent to the entire gdp of your rentier nation.....c'mon, for crying out alound, one little temple in india has a hoard of jewels worth $ 22 billion lying untouched. (enough to rent your country for 10 years.......the crafty americans did so for less!). $55 billion in YEARLY remittances, even more than china.....I can go on and on. Unlike the soviets, we have a working representative democracy, so India splitting up...ain't gonna happen. For your info, India is investing billions of dollars in the US, creating thousands of jobs there. In all fairness however,I should also however give credit to Pakistan for creating jobs in the US .......in the pentagon, FBI and CIA. Go Pakistan!!
I dont know why Pakistanis and Indians are arguing about Gilani objecting to INdia becoming a Choudhry or whatever it is. It is Clinton's idea and India has not mentioned a word about it. Take ur fight to Clinton. Why are we arguing about this?? if ever India wants to become a Choudhry, it will announce after it becomes one and not before
looking at some of the comments from us pakistanis, the indians would be rejoicing at our own inferiority complex and narrow mindedness. I checked several Indian newspapers, and there is hardly any mention of this news. Even very few opinion columns, as if Indians dont give too much importance to this comment. Historically, Indians have maintained good relations with US, Russia, Europe, Middle East and SE Asia, and recently also China. Thats a sign of maturity to me, as they are positive and know where they are heading in future. We on the other hand has been a slave/ colony for US, Saudi, Iran, China all along. India is 10 times our size and infact the 4th largest economy in the world and its playing bigger games with big powers. Why do we care? I suggest let us stay within our limits and work on our internal problems.
Reporter: Sir, if not from Pakistani base from where the drones are launched into our territory ? _ Gilani : You have to ask Americans, because they are the real Chaudhrys of our nation.
@Zahid Qureshi: This is an wishful thinking and illusion for Pakistani's hopes and perspective ! Time you realise that the Europe and US will always stand by each other, as they done for last 200 years !! The difference here is that neither have forgottan their friendships in their time of need, against what Pakistan has done repeatedly that is, it goes into amnesia mode, everytime something is not to their liking !!!! Very Sad, that a country which has fed you for best part of decade is being questioned by its idiotic people on the whims of its rulers, who have managed to secure large sums in their bank accounts during their tenure in office !!!
@ Rahul singh i will say Bunnya need a million ML doses of protien injection to stand up every day @ when i was reading this news i said (Ab khuda hafiz tumahra india) its like kia tum per jo behrossa amer.
Let Americans Leave this Region. WE ALL will see where India's Pseudo dominance goes! People blame Pakistan of being India-centric , The truth is Indian Policies are More Pakistan-centric. NO to Indian Dominance!
Important question is - Americans could not integrate with pakistanis, will Chinese be able to do it? I highly doubt it.
@JJ: My dear, do you still think that USA in future will be strong enough to ostracize pakistan the way she did with N. Korea and Burma.......they are already loosing their grip on many countries including Pakistan......
India came up on it's own. [We have worked hard to reach where we are today.] And doesn't take orders from anyone!! As far as India's friendship with any country is concerned be it with Iran, Afghanistan which is dil ka rishta and hopefully will be the same with Pakistan one day, we don't think anyone can mess up with that.
@Fasih Siddiqui: Your statement is the main difference between Indian and Pakistan to summarize what has exactly transpired in last 64 years after partition. While India believes and is ready to declare "ITSELF" the Chaudhry, Pakistan on the other hand has accepted its state of shambles and is ready to declare China as its Chaudhry. I am not telling if India is actually there, but its the belief that counts. My advice to Pakistanis, get over US or China, stand on your own feet and face the realities of the world.
hahahaha India a chaudhry? nice joke, Indians keep drreaming
India has been the "chaudhary" for some time ... remember it did its duty as a "chaudhary" in 1971 and settled a dispute between two "cats" ..... meanwhile the two "superpowers" of the world ... USA and China watched and did nothing ....... and thus ends the lesson in history for people who don't know history of the region.
It seems now pakistan is sitting on china's shoulder. But dont forget china is not self sufficient county and it can not do without the world and world is with india.
u r right gilani sab - infact chaudharies ( and jagirdars) r needed within the borders of pakistan .
Who is riding on US shoulders?Just go in past and remember or all of you are suffering from short term memory loss.1947,1965,1971 all the time USA sided with Pakistan.result???There is one word "shame".have you guys heard about it?
China can not afford a Indian nuclear missile hitting Beijing or Shanghai for Pakistan.They are not fool like you.If it is their own fight they will definitely fight but not for you.1965,1971 and 1999 are example of it.And for Pakistan we have our strategy in place.We will make you to compete with our self, all your resources will be utilized on military and military related expenses and you will never be able to match us.
@amjid,if USA leaves Afganistan then its bad news for you.Whatever little support you are getting from USA will vanish...That will be beginning of the end of Pakistan.Start your countdown.
we should learn something from what happened to pakistan and distance ourself from US.i dont know how a country with so much corruption(1,76,000 crores!!!!!!) and so many people living below the poverty line can dream to become a chaudhry in near future.
@Joe: Hillary Clinton was requesting India to buy its fighter planes as a 'reward' for supporting the nuclear deal. Who is hanging by whose teats you can guess.
Americans have compromised their livelihood because of Indians' competence, industry and productivity. Americans were spending what they have not yet earned while Indians were saving what they have earned.
@amjid: Face the facts here, India really has never been dependant on US, as the case has been with Pakistan over last 60 years !!! The present relationship is based on mutual respect, rather than Master/servant, as it is with Pakistan !! Its not going to affect India, when US withdraws from the region, but it certainly will put a large dent in Pakistan's Economic and Military Aid programs !!!! So in all reality, Pakistan should be far too concerned with US withdrawel as their basic infrastructure as a Nation is about to be tested by the likes of Baluchs, Pathans and also their Strategic Assets !!!!!! In regards to being "Chaudhry in the Region" well rest assure I don't believe for a second that India is interested in playing that role, as there are far too many of these Chaudhries within Pakistan already, for any further need of an additional one !!!! In regards to Mr Fai, well the fact is that he is US citizen and shall be dealt with under their Law!!!! Since when has Occupied Kashmir started issuing Passports, that the PM claims him to be Citizen of such?? A very poor and ridiculous statement by the PM of Pakistan !!!!
@Fasih Siddiqui: Surely, we know that you have already chosen China as your 'Chaudhary' and would continue to gift away more and more territory to the red dragon, who will ultimately become 'Mai-Baap' of the country.
LOL. Gone through all sorts of comments. it made my day. People are so reactive here. The country which spent 64 years with US is today antiUS,.Do you think India will indulge in any International dispute? For indians international relation is counted in terms of economy. We never go beyond that. US may attack Iraq but our companies still trade with Iraq or Iran or afghanistan. For indians economy is the only priority and rest of the international politics is crap. We are not interested in international politics. India itself is another world with so much diversity. The ciilisation which never attacked any country in last 5000years is not at all interested in policing the world is the biggest frustration for hillary Clinton. .
Funny reading what seem to be comments by pro-Indian readers of The Express Tribune. It appears their obsession with Pakistan will never end! It's been over 60 years, some wounds run just too deep to forget.
What Ms Clinton says, is to counter China's growing financial influence - not hegemony - on the region. But with India, it's sure to become hegemonistic. One can never trust India to do what's good for the region. India's the main reason why SAARC failed. All it's neighbors are irked by its actions. I find it hard to believe Indian dominance on the region will not be hegemonistic or in any way good for its neighbors.
Golden words of wisdom. Salute!!
May we ask who the hell is Ms. Clinton to dictate who should take lead in the region. Take your backpacks from Afghanistan and move your tashreef to belong & Leave Asia (South Asia) alone. The countries in the region don't want US influence anymore and for Pakistan it's the time to stop living off US military and civilian aid.
I cant stop smiling..one country USA wants be a chaudhry of the world and giving a lollipop to another country INDIA to be a chaudhry of Asia...both the children are very happy playing the game of chaudhry chaudhry so people let them enjoy..and in reality none of them have the ability and capability to be one...country where worlds two third poor are living..where 70 percent population earns less then 2 dollars...want to be a chaudhry...All Indians living in the dream giving to them by there masters US should wake up and read the WRITING ON THE WALL..that you are used as a proxy to counter CHINA's growth...so come to the ground baby and live peacefully with you neighbors..instead of dreaming of an American dream..
Our fabulous men in the Khaki fatigues, those who are famous for the saying "DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN US?" should prepare themselves for a short war of regional hegemony. Perhaps they can arrange the theater of war to be far away, like in the Arabian sea. On their previous records the outcome is obvious.
India should stand on its own feet and stop hanging by the 'Teats' of the US to gain some status. How long will India ride on the US at the cost of the common US citizen and its economy. Americans do not appreciate their livelihood being comprised to benefit the Indians by exploiting the Americans.
@Rahul Singh; Mate no more Bollywood flicks for you from now on!!!
Zahid Qureshi- "where as Pakistan seems to be united with China which gives goose bumbs to India as well as USA. Lets see where we end up." Well not as a North Korea or a Burma one hopes..
ha ha ha!
I love to see the jealous reactions from here.
@Frank: Don't worry we all know since 1940. Inferior complex. And they will be only when we allow them to be.
Its all about economic muscle, while here the FA pass strategists wanted to conquer Central Asia through militant groups. We must first become Chaudhry of our own territory and regain control over FATA, Baluchistan and Karachi
lols @ Rahul. Sardar sahab there's something called general knowledge...and the region also has a 'small' country goes by the name People's Republic of China. Remember? Your dream of becoming a 'chaudhry' will always be a shattered one with china's near omnipotent presence in the region. You must be referring to the great wall of china when you say 'writing on the wall'.lolsss... becoming a regional 'chaudhry' is not a one-day international, it's takes a bit more than hollow statements full of malcontent.
India is sitting on the shoulders of a country (USA) already suffering from shaky foundations where as Pakistan seems to be united with China which gives goose bumbs to India as well as USA. Lets see where we end up.
paksitan full of jagirdars and chaudharies but dont want india to b..
@Rahul Singh Don't be so full of yourself. If there ever will be a "Chaudry" it will be China, not India.
“We don’t want any Chaudhry (chieftain) in the region,”
Unless it be China !
Does she care ?
@ Rahul Singh: whether you like it or not, India is the poorest country in the region, and with so many insurgencies, it cannot survive. It's bound to break up sooner or later, like the old Soviet Union.
@Rahul Singh: I think Mr Rahul you should read writing on the wall. you cannot become chaudhry of the region by riding on the shoulder of US. Once US leave Afghanistan , you would came to know you Okat. Lets wait for that time.
Rahul Singh
Thank you for your honesty. I hope all the Pakistani liberals will read and digest what Hilary Clinton, you Indians and your friends in America have said.
Pakis must keep one thing in their so called mind "BEGGARS CAN NEVER BE CHOOSERS" So whether you like it not,YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.
whether you like it or not India is the ‘Chaudhry' of the region, in spite of your all efforts to destabilize the country. Better you read the 'writing on the wall'.