US arrest of Ghulam Nabi Fai was long overdue: India

By AFP
Published: July 23, 2011
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Ghulam Nabi Fai, 62, a US citizen detained on Tuesday, is suspected of links to a decades-long effort that allegedly funnelled millions of dollars to Washington to lobby US politicians on behalf of Kashmiri causes. PHOTO: ONLINE

Ghulam Nabi Fai, 62, a US citizen detained on Tuesday, is suspected of links to a decades-long effort that allegedly funnelled millions of dollars to Washington to lobby US politicians on behalf of Kashmiri causes. PHOTO: ONLINE

NEW DELHI: The arrest of a man accused of acting as a Pakistani government agent in the United States “was long overdue” India’s home secretary said on Saturday, according to a report.

Ghulam Nabi Fai, 62, a US citizen detained on Tuesday, is suspected of links to a decades-long effort that allegedly funnelled millions of dollars to Washington to lobby US politicians on behalf of Kashmiri causes.

Commenting on Fai’s arrest, India’s Home Secretary RK Singh said: “Yes, his arrest was long overdue,” the Press Trust of India reported.

Fai has been a prominent figure in the politics of Indian Kashmir.

The US Justice Department said Fai and Zaheer Ahmad, 63, a US citizen and a resident of Pakistan, face five years in prison if found guilty.

The US complaint alleges Fai and Ahmad conspired illegally as Pakistani agents, falsifying and concealing material facts that they had a duty to disclose in dealings with the United States government.

The allegations, which come amid increasingly strained ties between the United States and Pakistan, centre on the Kashmiri American Council (KAC), a Washington-based group founded in 1990.

“We had a fair degree of suspicion that the money he (Fai) used to get was given by the agencies in Pakistan,” Singh said on the sidelines of a regional security conference in the Bhutanese capital Thimpu.

The KAC is suspected of being run by the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).

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  • Rock
    Jul 23, 2011 - 1:45PM

    Mr. Fai, I would like to inform you that insha allah kashmir will be secular and economicaly developed one.Recommend

  • AD
    Jul 23, 2011 - 1:46PM

    End of the day,everything is connected to ISI, not Pakistan.Is ISI Pakistan?

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  • Pragmatist
    Jul 23, 2011 - 1:48PM

    All the nefarious stuff conducted by the agencies are unraveling now. OBL’s arrest set off a veritable avalanche. It is obvious now that the US was aware of these actions but the OBL incident brought about this change. This is a change that will indirectly aid Pakistan in the long run.

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  • Rock
    Jul 23, 2011 - 1:59PM

    Mr Fai, We will bring back pundits, buddhist, sikhs, christens into valley. All religions will be respected. You just watch. The kashmir will be heaven on earth. Your bad-money will go into gutter.

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  • Ad.
    Jul 23, 2011 - 2:25PM

    @Rock: And you again forget majority Muslims.

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  • Atheist, India
    Jul 23, 2011 - 2:37PM

    Tug of war between Pakistan on one side and India + USA on the other. I wonder who would win ?

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  • moon
    Jul 23, 2011 - 2:40PM

    @Rock: With this sort mind set Indians are definitely infuriating the masses. For the last few years’ these are efforts of Mr. Fai & other like minded leaders that today peaceful struggle for the cause is taking place. But your Zionist inspired theory of en-populating land with hindus, hindu pandits and others to take some advantage will only deepen the strains. Our Youth and Leaders are trying to convince your Govt. to get on table and find materializable solution. So be human and find peaceful way to resolve long standing issue, rather than pushing Kashmiris to the wall.
    We want peace, and that too not on cost of blood. But if you again want to get into that mode, we fear nothing…..!

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  • Anonymous
    Jul 23, 2011 - 2:53PM

    @Ad.

    That’s a kneejerk reaction. What’s wrong with Rock’s statement? You can only bring back people who left and/or driven out. Muslilms are already there and they will be there.
    Read carefully before you post.Recommend

  • blithe
    Jul 23, 2011 - 2:57PM

    India has stabbed the peace-makers in the back.

    Leaders like Fai had sued for stand-still in violence in retrun for UN resoluions for self-determination of Kashmiris to be respected by Inida.

    India is playing a Machiavellian game.

    But history is on the side of the Kashmiris. No force, no matter how evil, will be able to repress their right for self-determination.

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  • Raza
    Jul 23, 2011 - 2:59PM

    Its not the first time, India will kill or capture who ever goes in favor of Kashmiries and to take any illegal step they always blame ISI.

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  • blithe
    Jul 23, 2011 - 3:11PM

    @Anonymous:
    Indain occupation army has deniend the right of self-determiantion of the over-whelming majority, which happen to be muslims (95% in the valley).

    Your whinning about pundits and sihks is just propoganda.

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  • Roflcopter
    Jul 23, 2011 - 3:14PM

    One day kashmir will be free from indian oppression. Arresting innocent people won’t stop this from happening.

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  • G. Din
    Jul 23, 2011 - 3:32PM

    @Ad.:
    Majority Muslims have gone nowhere. They don’t need to be brought back!

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  • Aadersh
    Jul 23, 2011 - 4:04PM

    I don’t know what r they doing….Can India n US deny the genocide commited by Indian terrorists in Kashmir even if he was funded by ISI…forget it u both India n US…Kashmir will b free from all ur massacre…& Kashmir banega Pakistan!! Indeed…

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  • American
    Jul 23, 2011 - 4:14PM

    @Ad
    This guy is merely repeating what he learned in school, and masjid…
    EITHER there is a 100% muslim heaven OR, the alternative is hell.
    Since no country is 100% anything, all muslims are busy creating hell for themselves and others.

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  • Sacha Sain
    Jul 23, 2011 - 4:35PM

    For all the Indian lackeys on this forum. Check out Kashmir’s path to ‘ being heaven ‘ under India:

    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20110723/kashmir-shuts-down-protest-alleged-rape-110723/

    :-<

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  • sul
    Jul 23, 2011 - 4:40PM

    Kashmiris sacrifices will never go waste, as ALLAH is witness to these.
    Indians should learn to live with respect with neighbours, this is the way to prosperity for both sides. If they will play on the hands of US, will never have benefit out of it.
    US is the friend of its own benefits, selfish lord.
    Try to understand otherwise time will be lost and nobody will give you a chance…Recommend

  • ASQ
    Jul 23, 2011 - 4:44PM

    what’s all the fuss about?every country in the world use money to influence policies of other countries!!!!!Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:03PM

    Fai’s activities must have been known to US for many years but the timing of his arrest goes on to prove that all is not well in Pak-US relations which is still going down-hill since Pak military refuses to tow the US’s line .

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  • pardesi
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:15PM

    @ Rock,

    Insallah. Kashmir is already secular and economicaly developed one. At least compared with Pakistan. So give it a rest.

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  • SaudiRules
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:24PM

    @Rock wrote:
    “Mr. Fai, I would like to inform you that insha allah kashmir will be secular and economicaly developed one.”
    Rock, you are an indian! Why do you want kashmir to be “secular and economicaly developed one” like India. The kashmiri should be great islamic republic like pakistan! I hope one day the kashmiri become part of pakistan and share in the prosperity and tranquility of islamic republic of pakistan. After all, we pakistanis have sacrificed too much for the kashmiri cause for last 63 years.

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  • Y Khan
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:25PM

    How are they going to prove that the money came from the ISI? No one is insensible enough to write a check. This will be another headley court case. They will try to scare Fai enough that he will point fingers at anyone they want. We all know how the US Justice system works, in the US they hate Black people hence their jails have a much higher number of Black inmates, much larger than the % of Black population in the society. Recommend

  • rock
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:38PM

    @Aadersh: You said “Kashmir banega Pakistan” Are you sure? pakistan? horrible thing to say. Nightmare for kashmiries. (kashmiri means pundits, muslims, sikhs, buddhist, Christens).

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  • cosmo
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:40PM

    @Aadersh: High hopes usually lead to deep falls !! Pakistan keep funding the strategic assets/militants while India keep marching ahead as in the world.

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  • cosmo
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:41PM

    Fai is a thug !!

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  • BruteForce
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:42PM

    @Aadersh:

    “Kashmir banega Pakistan!! Indeed…”

    Pakistan is now the 12th most failed state in the World. It would not be a figment of one’s imagination to think Pakistan might not exist in the coming decade or 2. All because of Kashmir.

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  • Frank
    Jul 23, 2011 - 5:46PM

    Rock

    Mr. Fai, I would like to inform you
    that insha allah kashmir will be
    secular and economicaly developed one.

    You bet! No matter how many Kashmiri lives it costs!

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  • Jul 23, 2011 - 6:03PM

    Ghulam Nabi Fae is a courageous man who has spoken to defend the Kashmiris against Indian oppression and violence.

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  • Jul 23, 2011 - 6:12PM

    @Rock: It can never be that secular Mr. Rock. Your America is getting out of Afghanistan. Kashmir will become a headache for India and nobody will be able to rescue it from us Muslims. So dont be so sure, Mr. Rock.
    Let me assure you again, that the Muslim awakening has begun and we will only take what was and is naturally ours AND we will not transgress like India in Kashmir and the USA and its proxies in many countries of the world. “ALLAH ALLMIGHTY loveth not transgressors.”
    Have a nice day. Recommend

  • vasan
    Jul 23, 2011 - 6:18PM

    Aadersh: I think you must concentrate on “Sindh, KP and Balochistan banega Pakistan”. Worry about others later.
    Ad : I think you meant that the majority muslims will move over to POK. Appreciate that suggestion.

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  • Khan
    Jul 23, 2011 - 6:51PM

    @Aadersh:
    No Baloch will let the Pakis go anywhere before sheer and complete withdrawal of the Pakistani occupying forces is enforced and a complete declaration of Independence just like Bangladesh is penned down.

    If anything, the Freedom of Balochistan comes first. Any other concocted idea can be dealt with later.

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  • harry johal
    Jul 23, 2011 - 6:53PM

    pakistan has to go to moon to get kashmir and that will never happen. insha allah balochistan will be free very soon.

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  • RAJESH KUMAR
    Jul 23, 2011 - 7:00PM

    There should be a thorough investigation regarding his activities. There is a chance that he might have channeled the fund given by ISI to support insurgents in Kashmir. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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  • Nisar Ahmed
    Jul 23, 2011 - 7:07PM

    It is very ironic that the veteran Kashmiri Scholar and the Executive Director of Washington based Kashmiri American Council became the victim of deteriorating relationship between the CIA and ISI. Dr. Fai is globally known human rights activist who has been championing the cause of the oppressed people of Jammu and Kashmir for more than 30 years independently. It is worth to mention here that his organization, KAC, a non-partizan and non-profit NGO comprised of more than a thousand Kashmiri-American doctors, engineers and lawyers has been contributing immensely making substantial financial contribution to run the affairs of the organization in fair and square manner.

    However, Indians were not comfortable with his diplomatic activities in the United States as he launched an effective campaign across the United States besides highlighting the atrocities being inflicted on the people of Kashmir by Indian troops in Kashmir in the American print and electronic media. Being a well read and an highly articulative scholar he was the most sought after intellectual on the Kashmir subject.

    He has the privilage to facilitate intra-Kashmir dialogue enabling the Kashmiri leaders hailing form both sides of line of control and the intellectuals of both India and Pakistan to share their expertise and observations on the subject.

    He was working for a peaceful settlement of Kashmir seeking world community’s help to thrash out an amicable and durable solution of the lingering dispute. The allegation levelled against this towering leader was to demonise his personal character besides maligning the Kashmiris’ ongoing struggle for right to self-determination.

    His arrest had shocked the peace loving people across the globe particularly the people of Kashmir who have lost their ambassador in the shape of G N Fai. Kashmiris on both sides of line of control have voiced serious concern over the detention of Dr. Fai and sought world bodies support and help to facilitate the release of Kashmiri scholar

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  • SZ
    Jul 23, 2011 - 7:17PM

    Long Live Kashmir;s freedom. Down with India.

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  • Anjum
    Jul 23, 2011 - 7:35PM

    Cooperation and trade ok. But never peace with India and indian hindustakis (brahmis playing dirty games) until Kashmir is allowed to vote for independancy or remain part of hindustan. Kashmir was annected by India by pundit Nehru when Pakistan was newly made and with NOTHING of forceful army or money. Nehru utilised this weekness and the British army chiefs disobedience to Jinnah. Hindus has an inferior complex and fail to understand nuslims was also hindus once but decided to change faith if we were to be unhappy we would swap back. We dont. Therefore the land is ours . Unfurtunately Only by force Kashmir will be able to be free. All leaders after our country father Jinnah have due to selfishness destroyed the oppertunity to make a stonger and more prosperous pakistanthan India and take back Kashmir by force. But fortunately the wind of change is blowing that will make pakistan stronger. Hindus should thank Jinnah for given them a homeland with an overwelmingly majority of Hindus. I love and respect hindus and india, we are same after all, and hope for a good and peaceful nabour relaition – but on Kashmir hindustan is wrong, hindus play power play with their bigger size and they are wrong. Recommend

  • Anjum
    Jul 23, 2011 - 7:47PM

    @vasan:absurd remark. Muslims are hindus who are now muslims. And who dont want to be hindus again. For the majoritys case. Hindus, sikhs are lovely, beautiful and good people, and brave with big hearts. but accept muslims dont want to be hindus again. Why converted muslims should leave their home and land? Absurd remark that make muslims wanting to make atempts to convert to people like you to save you from insanity. Recommend

  • Thomas
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:01PM

    @Nisar Ahmed:
    @moon:

    There is no need for your settlement. Kashmir is a state in India. It will never change.

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  • rock
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:06PM

    @Anjum: You are hurting religious sentiments. Islam never allow you to hate other religion. So please correct yourself. We have first identity as Indian no matter what is our faith. For indian religion is personal thing and all religions are equal.

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  • rock
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:09PM

    @Nisar Ahmed: he was paid to do the seminars and stuffs.

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  • Anjum
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:35PM

    @Thomas:
    Yes it will, it will some more time and requite more sacifices.

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  • AZ
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:44PM

    it is true we want independence from india but to think we will join pakistan is comical.only a suicidal maniac would want to be part of pakistan right now.

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  • Vicram Singh
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:49PM

    @Nazir Habib: ” Let me assure you again, that the Muslim awakening has begun and we will only take what was and is naturally ours AND we will not transgress like India in Kashmir and the USA and its proxies in many countries of the world. “ALLAH ALLMIGHTY loveth not transgressors. Have a nice day.

    As you might know, the people of the sub-continent were Hindus and Buddhists before some of them turned Muslim. So to define “naturally ours” – how far do you want to go back in history ?

    The Palestine issue is the same – the Jews lived in the area before Muslims.

    The question again is how far back in history do you want to go. Conversion to Islam, sorry to say, can not be the base time line.

    Have an enlightened day.

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  • kattu
    Jul 23, 2011 - 8:52PM

    Bhagwan(s) will make sure Kashmiris will attain their peace, free from terror by indians. Kashmiris know what they want and they will get it. In addition to them, the Assamese, Nagas, and countless others will get their freedom. For a peaceful bharatmata, the people will have to get their freedom.

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  • Kashmiri
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:02PM

    Having been to IOK, i was surprised at the lack of development and peace in indian occupied Kashmir. Azad Jammu and Kashmir is way better off, even the hindus have to admit it.Recommend

  • ujwal
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:03PM

    People have been dreaming of Kashmir liberation from India since last 60 years. When India didnt allowed it it happen when it was not that mighty and powerful in the yesteryear, how people assume it will happen any time in future when India is growing in its clout from all aspect. I think people are just banging the emotional tantrums here, secondly why Pakistanis forget that in process of worrying too much for the Kashmiri masses they forgot about their own welfare and look where they r standing today. Its nothing but a sheer greed of land from the day one , and if some one says India is too , i wont mind until people dont give an excuse of human rights , cause its the Pakistan trained millitias that have brought kashmir valley so much of blood and not the Indian Army as portrayed, If today Indian Army is in Kashmir thats all beacuse of the very first provocation in 47 then the other one in 65 and so on, so which ever way u see u will find that what ever sufferings kashmiris have been all these years have all been due to the repeated intervention of Pakistan with their evil designs, had u left kashmiris alone , there wouldnt have been any army, there havent been any differences and kashmiris would have been better off , and Pakistan too with not spending their meager resources on some bombs and missiles !!Recommend

  • Vicram Singh
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:15PM

    @Anjum: ” but accept muslims dont want to be hindus again. “

    The sub-continents Muslims became so either by co-ercion and/or persuasion. They can be co-erced and persuaded again.

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  • Shock Horror
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:16PM

    @sul:
    Allah is also witness to the Pakistani state sponsored terrorism in Balochistan. HE also sees the terrorism in Karachi. HE also sees the sunni versus shia terrorism in Iraq. What has HE done so far?Recommend

  • Jul 23, 2011 - 9:18PM

    Mr Nabi Fai had his day as he was the child of cold war,India was very hostile to usa,read mr Krisna Menon tirade against USA,it is no wonder that Usa being a pragamatic nation which believes”permanent interest,no permanant enemy or friend’has come full circle,world is round so all players -India-pak-and usa have, made about face,so my friends in Pakistan and my former country man, the ball game is not yet over there are not 27 outs yet.!Do not rejoice or feel sad,for wise neither rejoice or dispair(Bhagvat Gita).All I have to remind readers in Pakistan and India that you are novice in the game of politics and gamesmanship and “hardball”,USa plays hard balls,it bids its time and it believes in the adage”friends warn and enemies strike”You guys thought you got uncle sam over the barrel,when you pushed out cia and arrested that cia guy and made usa look silly and made them give”blood money”,what was it 3 million dollar,pea-nuts for uncle sam?It waited and struck where it hurts,The Indians learned the hard way Indhira Gandhi,Krisha Menon retoric feels good but uncle sam has long reach and long memory,now they toe American line”tum jo bhi kaho gay,hum sune gay din ko agar raat kaho tu raat kahengay”it is hard to spell urdu in English ,I did my best.Hope both people of greater sub-continent will get my drift.USA has very experienced thinkers from A/E,hertage foundation, and many others expert from solid think tank in all adminsteration,they are not 80 year foggies,young girls in F/M.,nefhew,grandson of former P.M. running the show,people with Steel,not old man who can not remember reading speech of the F/M of some other country for full 15 minutes in UN,I’m not making it up,it would be funny,if only it was made up.Check it out,it is true,I have to be careful as want this blog to see the light of the day,I trust The Tribune To be honest with itself,everything I have stated is checked out.Before any country messes with USA be sure of itself,they play hard ball for keeps,Hitlar,Sadam Hussain and now Kadaffy are finding out so did OBL.I mean well for sub-continent.Recommend

  • Cynical
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:41PM

    @Rock

    “You bet. No matter how many Kashmiri lives it cost.”

    That’s a dangerous line. Supposing it takes the last one of them?
    But it seems you wouldn’t mind.that. Your interest lies in that piece of land, not in it’s people.

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  • Anand
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:53PM

    A good result of Indian and American cooperaton. A nation as pakistan which consistently ranks among the top 10 failed state in the world has simply no moral, historical or credible standing to lecture the world, leave aside world’s largest and most pluralistic democracy on human rights. It is time for Pak to lay-off and take control of territories under its so-called control before dreaming in thin air to extend its boundaries.Recommend

  • Anand
    Jul 23, 2011 - 9:57PM

    @Atheist, India:

    India and USA will win as natural allies, as natural partner with tall standing in the global community will win.

    38% of Pak’s aid comes directly from USA, while over 80% of other aid comes from IMF and World Bank. The aid from China accounts for 1%. Check the stats from your own finance ministry. Not even one country is ready to suppoer Pakistan. USA, followed by UK then EU and now China – have rejected Pakistan’s pleas for investments. Instead they have only sent its PM back to Islamabad with a pat on back with “do more” orders.

    Pakistan has practically failed on economic, geographical and territorial grounds. It has failed its people and vision of its founder who wanted it to be a secular country.Recommend

  • Anjum
    Jul 23, 2011 - 10:10PM

    @rock:
    Not at all. You are utterly wrong. In Pakistan also, country comes first ,religion on a third place. You and hindustanis talk about muslims as a “land of the pure”. Nonsense, Pakistan was founded to be a copy of Britain. Because Nehru and hindus failed to address the fear of indian muslims. Pundit nehru absurdly didn’t address the fear of the muslim – right or wrong. kashmir is not about religion. It is about what is right. My best friends are hindus, sikhs, christians, budhist and muslim.
    Hindustan cannot bulley Pakistan. During partition the princely states of Hyderabad and Maharastra had muslim rulers but hindu majority. Nehru & co. Took these states by force, although the muslim rulers opted for Pakistan. But it would have been wrong. That is why Pakistan and I dont demand these states to be part of Pakistan. The same goes for Kashmir. This is about right. We fight not to be bullied by hindus. Not India, but high caste hindus with inferior complexes. If kashmiris vote for India the next moment you will see Pakistanis will stop any support. Hindustan keeps this hot pot boiling and hindustan can forget about any global prosperity without settling the Kasmir issue. These are hard facts and will not change. Recommend

  • Anjum
    Jul 23, 2011 - 10:16PM

    @Vicram Singh:
    You are right and i welcome any such effort by you. But you need to perform much better to suceed. The current behaviour of bullying and show off power and not understanding to address key issues like Kashmir, because your unwillingness to give, show us how equally stubbon you are. Not interesting, buddy. Recommend

  • My Name is Khan
    Jul 23, 2011 - 10:41PM

    What’s amazing is that almost none of the dialogue on here deals with the fact that Dr. Fai has violated the laws of the United States. Why must we Pakistanis always defend people like Aafia and Dr. Fai who violate the laws of other countries?

    Whether or not the cause Dr. Fai represented is right is a moot point. Many Pakistanis like me are fed up of the Kashmir obsession. It has destroyed our country. What have Kashmiris done for Pakistan? Nothing. What have we done for them? Used them as a pretext to hold our nation together.

    Regardless, Dr. Fai has committed a crime for which he should be punished. Please grow up Pakistani brethren. We cannot let people like this continue to be the ones we fight for. Otherwise all we are is a country that supports terrorists and criminals. Recommend

  • Mastishhk
    Jul 23, 2011 - 11:12PM

    @SaudiRules
    Just what Prosperity and Tranquility are you talking about..lol

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  • Mastishhk
    Jul 23, 2011 - 11:17PM

    @ Kashmiri..You’ve just proved that you have never been to Kashmir..Its one of the most developed and beautiful parts of India..Keep ur ignorance with you !!

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  • Austin
    Jul 23, 2011 - 11:25PM

    It is all a waste of time and energy, talking and discussing about Kashmir and India and Pakistan. I am wondering why no one is getting tired of the subject. Everybody is repeating the same thing like a parrot. On the ground nothing is happening.

    Presently India has Kashmir and Pakistan is peeved about it. That is the crux of the problem. Kashmir is squeezed in between. And remember Jammu & Kashmir is not only the Kashmir Valley, Kashmir Valley is divided in their opinion, so no true voice is emerging. India and Pakistan would like to hear that voice which suits them best. In Jammu, which is Hindu dominated is against Independence, Leh and Ladakh which is Buddhist dominated is also against Independence. In fact they will rebel against the move of Independence. Which will put Jammu and Kashmir in further problems. More ever suppose if Jammu and Kashmir gets independence, then they will demand for Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and China Occupied Kashmir or there will be disturbance in the region for the next 100 years.

    The country who is wasting more energy, and resources about it is the one who is going to suffer. We commentators are like bystanders lamenting about it. While our Governments and Military are doing anything they want and they expect us to support them. So in support of them we lament more, comment more. Bring religion, ethnicity and everything to the fore. Bur remember we are only bystanders and nothing else.

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  • G. Din
    Jul 23, 2011 - 11:42PM

    @Vicram Singh: to Nazir Habib
    “The Palestine issue is the same – the Jews lived in the area before Muslims.”
    Jews lived there when Mohammed was not even born and there was no such cult as Islam!

    “The question again is how far back in history do you want to go. Conversion to Islam, sorry to say, can not be the base time line”
    As far as Muslims are concerned there was no world or civilization until the first Muslim opened his eyes. That is settled fact and nothing will change that!

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  • Straight-Talk
    Jul 23, 2011 - 11:46PM

    But……. Has Mr Fai has asked the question from Pakistani government that how they deal with their part of Kashmir. Then why he only questions India. Another question, why Kashmiri want to secede from India? India is a secular country unlike Pakistan. Gives everybody equal rights, their are separatist in Indian Kashmir who hate India, abuses India, advocate Militant but still fearful of them for their life ask for safety from the same state they abuses and enjoys too.

    Only solution is re-partition of Kashmir. Just like Punjab and Bengal was partitioned in 1947. All the Districts of undivided Kashmir will be divided along with communal lines in 3 parts, each belong to Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists respectively.

    If Pakistan is not ready for Gilgit and Baltistan, then India also insist on not including Jammu and Laddahkh area. Just equally divide all the districts of POK and IHK between Kashmiri Pundits and Kashmiri Muslims.

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  • Comment
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:01AM

    @American:

    You are wrong Sir…there is no such thing as “100% muslim heaven” since once you get to the 100% muslim state, there is the Shia…Sunni jihad to work on!

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  • rock
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:04AM

    @Anjum: You don’t know the history. don’t twist the history. Maharastra or maratha region was governed by Peshavas before east india company. They were hindus and not muslims. Anyway atleast introduce law for minorities in Islamic republic of pakistan then I will talk to you. Start with minority marriage laws. Ok.

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  • Straight-Talk
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:06AM

    @Anjum:
    India has developed dear, where are you? in spite of pot boiling called Kashmir. Now as you have recalled the issue of Hyderabad and Junagarh. Then tell me what you have done with the Khan of Kalat. According the Independence act of India, the first was the choice given the princes to merge either with India or Pakistan and if they aren’t able to exercise their choice then it was plebiscite. Now tell whom with Hari Singh signed the merger accord. You can always say that it was forced. But it also true that Pt Neharu refused his call of help from Kabailis attacking Kashmir on the pretext that it was not still part of India and only when Hari Singh accepted the merger plan and signed it, then only Pt Neharu allowed Indian forces in Kashmir unlike Pakistani regulars in the garb of kabaili tribal entered still independent Kashmir.

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  • rock
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:11AM

    @Cynical: Situation is improving with the use of new technology in security. Don’t worry kashmiriyat will be restored as millitants are pinned down. Tourism is booming. 5 lakh people visited kashmir in current season. Kashmir is safer than karachi.Economic activity will increase in next 2 years. We will make it peaceful.

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  • Mussarat Hussain
    Jul 24, 2011 - 1:01AM

    @Raza:

    I dont think Kashmiris are either sincere or will be sincere with Pakistan. Currently Pakistan is itself facing 1971-like situationof disintegration. For God sake save instead of poking nose in others issue let’s strive to save pakistan from being further breakdown.

    Let Kashmiri themselves decide about their fate.

    Mussarat

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  • kailash
    Jul 24, 2011 - 1:10AM

    I wonder if sub continent people know the history and understand it. Then probably they will stop hating Hindus.

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  • Gosh
    Jul 24, 2011 - 2:08AM

    OMG . . . Look at all these Indians – they have attacked this Pakistani news site like a bunch of hyenas. This just shows how advanced Pakistani journalism is, that all these Indians come running to it like a storm! Do they not have freedom of expression on their own newspapers? After all they are an oldy moldy country of the greatest population explosion on earth, poluting mother earth! Now, they are poluting this great Pakistani ET news paper by fuming their hate and froth against muslims, Pakistan and its voice against the genocide and freedom of Indian occupied Kashmiri muslims. Shamful to say the least!

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  • Hammad Khan
    Jul 24, 2011 - 2:09AM

    @ Rajesh Kumar
    Investigation for what killing innocent unarmed men & youn boys ?
    Investigation to what raping of a dozen girls every day ?
    Investigation to what open man slaughter ? Will you & your country ever b honest to any one killing innocent Muslims who are just asking for freedom, its a shame on how human rights, united nations & specially USA is speccially sitting & trying to connect everything to just the ISI what they fear of.
    @ Khan
    I am sure you are not from Pakistan & if you are you will never understand what a patriot feeling is because you, yes you talk about breaking the country into pieces, this country was made to live the way it has lived it will live until the end of time & as far as freeing Bluchistan is concerned I recon the sovereign power of Allah is here to keep us united & Panjab will not leave sindh & sindh will not leave bluchistan & bluchistan will not leave Khybar Pakhtunkhwa & all four will not leave Baldistan & Kashmir belongs to us. One day we will have it back inshAllah because it will complete Pakistan. Long LIVE PAKISTAN !!! InshAllah !!!!Recommend

  • Arindom
    Jul 24, 2011 - 2:54AM

    India must investigate ISI’s links to Arundhati Roy too. She is one of Fai’s supporters in India and attended meetings arranged by Fai.

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  • Hammad Khan Kakar
    Jul 24, 2011 - 3:04AM

    @ shock horror
    U have NO clue to what the power of Allah is, creator of the univers the whole solar system the whole man kind, read our holy book “Quran” u will get all ur answers which was written 1432 years ago, just once read the Translation. NEVER bring religion in any type of Discussion its a request, plz respect Islam & there belief, if u don’t want to belive in the religion, plz don’t but plz don’t disrespect the religion.
    @ nisar ahmad
    I agree with u sir its just a greater game with india & usa going after China but Pakistan is in the way before Pakistan ISI, cia is scared of what isi is capable of & they will only try to accuse it of all types of allegations, now they have an innocent man in custody, James camaron, michal bay are watching this we will b watching a movie on this soon where we will only see the heroics & the intelligence of cia
    @ Harihamani
    We are well aware of the facts, what atrocoties those facts bring to us we all know but let me share a little intell with u, sirilanka !!! Remember 90 days & we finished what was a 30 year long war what india supported, now let us bring u to another closer reality, we are a nation who was made to sacrifice our lives for our lands, we don’t care whatever happens, I am not tring to tell u to come fight with us we have been doing it since 1070 years & out of that we have ruled for 1000 years I guess :-) anyways let us bring ur eyes closer to another reality we are like 200 million warheads just one goal in mind take bullets in chest not back, we will wait & we will win Kashmir & Panjab on both sides of the LOC will b ours & as far as the USA is concerned they will never dare touch our Nuclear assets & as long we have this we are safe India will never dare look at us, you ppl can only talk Pakistan has the best missel tech which you will never b able to beat, ohh btw plz do check the ranking its 1. usa uk Israel then 2. pakistan & china then its 3. germany & france russia wait heloooo I don’t see india where is india ??? Well its nowhere in this list, plz do google it. Have good days till we take back what’s ours. & ppl don’t worry about Karachi & Blochistan its like a home family has problems later they resolve them & everything is fine later. We will always be one nation. InshAllahRecommend

  • Lone Star
    Jul 24, 2011 - 4:37AM

    “Kashmiris would be stupid if they ever join Pakistan, after getting rid of one corrupt country to join another doesn’t make any sense”. Thoughts of one (Indian occupied) Kashmiri.

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  • Lone
    Jul 24, 2011 - 5:15AM

    both india n pakistan…plx leave us kashmiris alone…v dont want to b wid either of u….

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  • Milestogo
    Jul 24, 2011 - 5:38AM

    Pakistan could not keep what they had.

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  • vijay
    Jul 24, 2011 - 6:10AM

    @saudirules The kashmiri should be great islamic republic like pakistan! I hope one day the kashmiri become part of pakistan and share in the prosperity and tranquility of islamic republic of pakistan.!!!
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  • vasan
    Jul 24, 2011 - 6:59AM

    Anjum: You have not read my comment properly my friend, I did not bring the topic of religious conversion. I only suggested muslims move to Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. For heavens sake dont bring religion and conversion etc.

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  • Spelling Purist
    Jul 24, 2011 - 8:34AM

    Could you please use the spell check function, before posting?

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  • Jul 24, 2011 - 9:28AM

    @Vicram Singh: Convinced not coerced is the way forward my friend

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  • mind control
    Jul 24, 2011 - 10:05AM

    @Hammad Khan Kakar

    sirilanka !!! Remember 90 days & we finished what was a 30 year long war what india supported

    Lo! And the world believes that it is the Sri Lankan army that fought the LTTE.

    we are a nation who was made to sacrifice our lives for our lands, we don’t care whatever happens

    OK, so it was to protect your lands that you converted when the rest of India did not. Tell me, to protect your lands will you convert again?

    I am not tring to tell u to come fight with us we have been doing it since 1070 years

    Have you been shadow fighting since 1070 years, or are you scared of the other guy deciding to come and give you a fight.

    we are like 200 million warheads just one goal in mind take bullets in chest not back,

    The way some of these 200 million warheads keep on self exploding, soon there will be none left.

    Pakistan has the best missel tech which you will never b able to beat,

    Yes, I am sure no other country has ‘missel tech’ at all. Congratulations.

    ohh btw plz do check the ranking its 1. usa uk Israel then 2. pakistan & china then its 3. germany & france russia wait heloooo I don’t see india where is india ???

    Which ranking is this? On what parameters are you the equal of China and the better of Germany?

    We will always be one nation. InshAllah

    Did you make this wish before or after 1971.

    PS- Moderator ET. If Mr Kakar’s views are acceptable, I am sure so are mine.Recommend

  • sanjithmenon
    Jul 24, 2011 - 10:40AM

    Who the heck says Kashmiris want to opt out of India? Yes there is a small minority, that has been influenced by Maoududi philosophy, but, look at the voting percentages in recent Panchayat polls, it was more than 80%. There are some who say, that the elections are related to development issues and not to freedom? thats a straw mans argument, it simply means that huriyat is not able to convince people.

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  • Thinker
    Jul 24, 2011 - 11:21AM

    @Ad.: Muslims are simply foreigners in valley,injected by pakis..
    so they have no right over kashmir.

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  • Jul 24, 2011 - 11:52AM

    @Vicram Singh: What are you talking of ‘base time lines?’ First read impartially, if you Indians can, about demography; where and when humans meet? Time lines dont have any reckoning in this issue because of the influence of religions. Have a nice day.

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  • Ravi
    Jul 24, 2011 - 11:58AM

    All sacrificed made by Indian securty forces will never go waste.

    The country will never be able again on the basis of religion
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    We indians will never fall in trap to pakistan designs and their plans.Recommend

  • Noman Sheikh
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:00PM

    @Hammad Khan Kakar:
    NEVER bring religion in any type of Discussion its a request, plz respect Islam & there belief, if u don’t want to belive in the religion, plz don’t but plz don’t disrespect the religion.

    Perfect point. But then, you should tell the same thing to all your Pakistani brethren who keep bringing up Allah on every opportunity…”Allah is on our side…” or “InshAllah Kashmir banega Pakistan……” Really? How do you know whose side Allah is on?

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  • R S JOHAR
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:31PM

    @My Name is Khan:
    Khan Sahib Salaam. You have raised a pertinent point that majority of the bloggers deviate from the main topic and indulge in mud-slinging. Your comment regarding Pakistan’s obsession with Kashmir is quite true. Pakistan would have made lot of progress like India if it had focused on its economy and refrained from supporting terrorism.

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  • Anjum
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:55PM

    @vasan:
    I know, old chap, I did read it. But that is not fair of you or Hindus to say. If a muslim convert to Hinduism, or the other way, it doesn’t mean that he has to leave his land. It still belongs to him. Wish you a nice day.

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  • KLA
    Jul 24, 2011 - 12:55PM

    ZAB –
    1) v will eat grass but v will make nuclear bomb.
    2) v will fight for 1000 yrs for kashmir

    hmmmmmmm

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  • Anjum
    Jul 24, 2011 - 1:03PM

    @Gosh:
    That is stupid to say. It is good to debate, and it is great that ordinary Indians (if they are not hired RAW people to put posts….LOL) care and search Pakistani newspapers. I and many pakistanis does the same on Indian newspapers. It’s knowledge sharing, my friend. Cheers for a good communication.

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  • hammad kakar
    Jul 24, 2011 - 1:58PM

    @ mind controle
    Do you remember the time when india took kashmir we were one fourth of the size of you, we still managed to take 40% of the Kashmir, in that 40% Pakistan has max 70,000 stationed troops, how much india has in the indian held kashmir 60% one million troops, if india thinks that kashmiris will always want to b with them & happy with them why does india has so much troops, human rights commision report 1987 1999 2003 over 76000 women raped, 1.3 million men killed by the indian army, u wanna talk about facts let’s talk about facts, & as far as 1971 is concerned what did you achive did east Pakistan join india which was there grand plan ? No the became a separate state where they are happy, make kashmir a separate state, you know they will have water control to india & Pakistan & then they will ask you for water royalty, so u will spend money & man power on keeping your troops there rather then letting them be a free state, all india wants is to dream to b a super power like USA, as far as the missile tech is concerned, like you keep an eye on our news we keep an eye on yours too we have herd you news channels saying indian missile tech is a failure, so we can’t say much about that either its your news I guess there is no unity, as far as Blochistan is concerned let me tell you somthin its only 5% of the total Pakistans population hardly the population is 15 Million out of that what is the number of ppl who want to liberate it from Pakistan, just ONE tribe ? Who is on indian & usa payroll ? Ha ha ha get ur facts rite then come here & talk we will only become stronger the more time you give us, remember 1965. You were 8 times more stronger then us we straped bombs to our chests & blew up indian tanks, but we did not let them cross the brb canal, again these my friend are the facts which you will negate & won’t like, as far as just a 0.00005 percent population is extremist who are trained RAW agents, who train these ppl give them a. Wrong direction of religion who r illiterate ppl who don’t know anything about religion, brain washing them is easier, tell you what this is a vry long debate you have got yourself into what about 21 separatist movements in india rite now ? How come you never talk about that ? Tell u what find yourself first. In your country 40% of the population lives below poverty line & we just herd about a 25 Million Dollar corruption scandal involving one of your ministers, we will never be friends with india because india canot b trusted specially when we got floods last year because india over supplied water & to increase the cotton & rice prices they made sure that Pakistan is flooded over night. Dirty little unusefull games that india plays since 60 years. What a shame Mr. Mind controlRecommend

  • Tony Singh
    Jul 24, 2011 - 2:48PM

    @hammad kakar:
    Cut the crap. The truth is that this guy Fai caught driving a car on the highway without a driving license and a car also did not have valid registration papers. He is being punished for it. Why such a hallaboo on this? And regarding Kashmir – you cannot solve this “issue” without addressing the question of partition itself.

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  • Abhi
    Jul 24, 2011 - 4:12PM

    I find Mr Hammad Khan Kakar post most intersting. Specially the 200 million warheads point.
    I don’t know why he has so less recommendations.

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  • Milestogo
    Jul 24, 2011 - 6:24PM

    71 was a great learning opportunity – completely wasted.

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  • Jul 24, 2011 - 8:09PM

    @hariharmani:
    Oh my God ! You are right ! Na Bibi na bacchha naa baap badaa naa maiyaa, the whole thing is that key bhaiyya sab se Badaa rupayya ! We have seen those days when we did not have a single friend in the world [1960-70], abhi paisa hai sab dost hi dost hai! We wish we had some donations then, at least our old parents would not have died in poverty!

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  • My Name is Khan
    Jul 25, 2011 - 5:59AM

    @ Gosh – chill out. It’s the internet. Indians are welcome to comment on this site as are Pakistanis or anyone else. If you want to defend your viewpoint, then do so with logic. We Pakistanis have been brainwashed for far too long. Our textbooks have taught us lies.

    Thank you ET for helping open our eyes.

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  • woohoo
    Jul 25, 2011 - 11:01AM

    @Anjum:

    brahmis playing dirty games

    Sir, brahmi is actually a medicinal plant. Are you accusing plants and creepers of playing games?!

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  • mussarat
    Jul 26, 2011 - 1:05AM

    @SZ:
    Your slogan lacks wisdom and purely based on emotions that never works. Only practical steps work miracle.
    If emotions could work, Israel, Kashmir, Palestine would have been liberated long long ago.
    By practical steps I mean tremendous advances in the field of education, economy.
    Era of revolutions, suicide attacks, genocide, wars is almost gone.
    I would quote Ariel Glucklich who in his book Dying For Heaven “We are shocked and surprised that anyone would derive pleasure from mass killings, even when he deems it necessary fo this broader purposes. No one in the White House cheered when Hiroshima and Nagasaki werer destroyed by Atomic bombs in August 1945. Where does the pleasure come from when someone is killing for what he considers a noble cause? How do we reconcile his “Islam”- his faith in a peaceful and just religions and his pleasure in hurting others (for himself) (page 43 mysteries of Pleasure).
    Let’s search out world and strive for peace where we could sigh without touching others integrity, solidarity and souvereignity.
    I reiterate Kashmir issue is a “futile” exercise for both atomic nations, i.e. India and Pakistan. Let Kashmiris should decide their fate without poking nose by a third party in the presence of more than sixty political parties within the Kashmir itself.

    I firmly believe if at any stage Kashmiri get liberation they would never ever be willing to annex with Pakistan. Why should we (Pakistan) should destroy our resources and energy in adding fuel to the fire. We will get nothing out of this movement except loosing some more Pakistani provinces like Baluchistan and Karachi who are already demanding separate province and eventually they will demand separate Homeland as bengalis did in 1971. It’s a time we should learn lesson from history instead of hurling emotional slogans like “Dawn with India” “Dawn with America” or Treading flag of any other coutry or burning effigies. Dear brother, These are very old stories and tactis We should come out of nutshell of self-deception and devote energies to advancement in the field of science and technology and give up crutches of foreign dependency by breaking begging bowl because poverty help breed ground for terrorism this is what happening in Pakistan where “Mullah” have taken advantage of illiteracy in our society.

    There is no harm in extending better relations with most immediate country India where our forefathers had been living for centuries in a very congenial atmosphere while in today’s Pakistan a large number of pakistani muslism have been killed than those killed in the so-called independent movement in 1947 from both sides.
    May God protect Pakistan from illiteracy, Amen.
    Well-wisher
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  • Jul 26, 2011 - 6:18PM

    Mr Mussarat,I read your rebuttal addressed to SZ,it could be addressed to almost any one who has no clue what is happening all over the world.Muslim people are not monolethic society,not every one in Islamic world has the same agenda.Without going into detail,let me expand what you have said in clarity,some more issues,which people in fit of emotion utter.Kashmir as you say is not valley alone nor Jammu and Srinagar,and kasmir valley,it is laddak,and ,buddist,sikh,hindus,and muslims and other minority,they certainly do not want to merge with the present chotic Pakistan,I’m not at all biased for or against either Pakistan or India,speaking a common point of view of Kashmeri people as a whole. The problem with people’s agitation is they do not understand the viability of self sustaining small entity to sustain itself in long haul,assuming Kashmir as whole both POK of so called Azad kasmir to merge with the so called Indian occpied one(which Pakistan will never permit,as there is all lose ,lose for Pakistan),to happen,as you say ,it will be like present day Bengaladesh who are escaping to west Bengal and Assam,and put pressure on Pakistan and India,it will be chotic situation unbearable for both India and Pakistan,religion will not be the glue which it will bind,alha present day Shia ,sunni,ahmedeas,and ismalee khojas,the sindhies and baluche,Pakistan must not talk about self determination when there so much infighting and bloodshed among so many different sects of muslims in Proper Pakistan itself.Pakistan for last 63 years with its irrational obsession with annexing Kashmir has neglected its most urgent problem and to day it is tettering on brink.You do not need to be rocket scintist to figure this state of affair,the sane and insane people have boxed themself and tied their own hands,that Gordian knot itself untieing is a major task,to assume somehow accuring chotic kashmir will bring somehow solve all of Pakistan problem is stupid and naive thinking.I really do not know what is the answer,but in hind sight,I agree with you,this madness of kashmir on Pakistan’s part must somehow end.India is too big,it can compatment,this unpleasant show of kashmir,as it has done,and can march ahead,as It has done(yes, it has problem),whatever blind spot Pakistan might like to think of,india,the fact is India is not in dire state.It is 4th,5th or whatever,it is doing reasonably fine,economy in world.I’m going say which I never believed for last 50 years ,I’m going for People of Pakistan to ponder.

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  • Jul 26, 2011 - 6:52PM

    Further to my earlier posting,the happening in current pakistan has made me rethink my earlier belief,that it was in the best interest of both the Hindu and Muslims should go their seperate way at the time of independence in 1947.I thought it was for better,after reading,Mr Jaswant Singh and Prof Aiesha Jalal, of Columbia university and her thesis what really Mr Jinnah wanted,I’m doing some soul searching.Was our founders right in demanding Partition?.Contarary to established wisdom things have not turned out well for Pakistan muslims and those 155 million muslims left behind.?Things would not necessarly worse for either community now,if they had remained one.Yes, there would be tension,riots and political agitation,but I’m convinced or atleast tending to believe,the total 180+155 million would have been sufficently found common ground to advance and progress,and thier ecnomic and political liberty,personnel life, and liberty would be better than what is now seperately,either in Pakistan,India and Bengaladesh,.see,so many people of talent from both Pakistan and Bengaladesh live in India legally and willingly to improve their life ecnomiclly,and for artistic and professional reason,jokingly even cricket they would have made more money(in fact it is no joke,there is more money in Indian cricket than anywhere including England and Australia,it is dying there).added your enttertainment from Bollywood be more, selective,varied and cheaper.We would have been due size,bigger ecnomy and the biggest and largest population exceed China,though I’m not trilled at prospect of nearly 2 billion mouth to feed.Control of population is another story for another day,that is big elephent in our small drawing room,I welcome your feed back without name calling avoid malice and assign bad and evil motive,I do not belong to any organised religion in fact I shun it like plague.have a good day.

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  • sorryfortakingmyheadoutofthesand
    Jul 27, 2011 - 3:07PM

    why is it that the Indian side of kashmir is Indian held Kashmir and the Pakistani side Azad Kashmir? If we are really sincere in our effort to protect the Kashmiris right to self determination, then that sincerety should be extended to the ‘Azad’ kashmiris too.

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  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Jul 31, 2011 - 11:27AM

    Obviously India is happy, it has killed over 60,000 Kashmiris since 1990, so why would it not welcome the arrest of a champion who only fights for the rights of Kashmiri people, shame on the US govt for arresting a man who is the Mandela of Kashmir.

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