I never really cared for Ahmadis

Published: June 15, 2010
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The writer is a columnist and TV and radio anchor (fasi.zaka@tribune.com.pk)

The writer is a columnist and TV and radio anchor ([email protected])

I have never really been vocal about rights for Ahmadis, even privately, but my compassion trigger is easily pulled if there are atrocities against Pakistani Hindus and Christians. Part of this can be ascribed to my belief in the prejudice that the Ahmadis are a relatively well-off community, making the Christians and Hindus of Pakistan uniquely guilty of a double crime, first for not being Muslims and second for being poor. These two communities seem especially vulnerable.

I have changed my mind. And it’s not because of the attack in Lahore that killed so many Ahmadis. The whole country, Muslim and non-Muslim, is under attack by the Taliban.

What really helped me see the inhuman treatment of the Ahmadis in Pakistan is the absence of condemnation for it. Nawaz Sharif in his condolence message said Ahmadis were our brothers; it’s been enough to get the Pakistani religious world on his case. While sympathy is not outlawed for Ahmadis, it may as well be.

Those of us with a passport have declared that “I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be an impostor prophet and an infidel and also consider his followers, whether belonging to the Lahori, Qadiani or Mirzai groups, to be non-Muslims.” Most of us do not believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was a prophet, but do we have to rub it in? Imagine if the UK put in that sort of column for a prophet of another faith.

We have declared not just that we don’t believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but added the connotation that he was an imposter. People who follow imposters must be crooks, right? Let’s stop the pretence that they are equal, or human.

But no, we are a peaceful people, right? Of course we are. I read a very poignant anecdote in columnist Mosharraf Zaidi’s article recently; he described how an old friend would never say salaam to him in return. His friend is an Ahmadi, he can go to jail for that. I cringe when I see Pakistanis stumbling over one another to felicitate a white westerner who chooses to say salaam when greeting us in our country. Why not put him in jail too? He could be an atheist, whereas at least the Ahmadis believe in the oneness of God.

But, you see it’s not about that. Ahmadis are a secretive people up to no good. They won’t even tell you they are Ahmadis. But who wouldn’t be secretive if they could go to jail for saying they are Muslim, or responding in kind to a salutation of salaam. Or for that matter having a Quran in their home, the same kind you and I have.

Sunnis don’t believe in the imam of the Shias. What about Barelvis and Bohris? Its time their special treatment ended. If anything we have been too moderate. We need to cut diplomatic relations with Indonesia because they refuse to declare Ahmadis non-Muslim as it may open a Pandora’s Box of declaring other groups the same. Why is the amir of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Munawar Hassan, silent on this? He could address this diplomatic issue, after all he did want to cut off diplomatic relations with many countries over the Facebook fiasco.

Pakistani Ahmadis aren’t allowed to go for Hajj, but Ahmadis from other countries are. Maybe we should cut off relations with Saudi Arabia too. Also, since we Muslims believe in equality, I would suggest all non-Muslim countries make it mandatory that we wear special collars to identify us as Muslim when we visit. Or is that going too far since we haven’t, obviously, in the case of the Ahmadis?

The truth is the bulk of this country doesn’t like Ahmadis. They are Pakistan’s Palestinians. Their humane treatment and acceptance
will decide whether we are a people who can move forward in the future, or if we will become a fragmented warlord state divided on sectarian lines.

And yes, Ahmadis are worse off in Pakistan than Christians and Hindus. We want to forcibly convert Christians and Hindus. But Ahmadis shouldn’t exist. Period.

Published in the Express Tribune, June 15th, 2010.

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  • Umar Tosheeb
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:00AM

    I think serious Fasi Zaka is a better writer than the funny one. Excellent article, I agree with every word of it. If there are people like you out there, it means there is still hope. Recommend

  • Tabrez Durrani
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:24AM

    I think the writer is being a bit too harsh. Pakistan is generally suffering from terrorism (mainly US, Indian, Israeli, and to some extent and indirectly our local taliban, if they exist that is). We the public, the people of Pakistan are generally extremely vulnerable. Had it been a first incident of such kind targetting just a certain religious group/sect only then such strong phrases would have been justified. Shias, Sunnis, Barelwees, AhleHadees, Christians, Hindus, Punjabis, Sindhis, Pathans,,,no matter how u divide people of Pakistan they are all suffering, they have all been targetted. Incidents of Moon market, nishtar park, 12 May, Lal Masjid, FIA building, 18 OCt, 27 Dec, and even current target killings in Karachi….i dont seee any connection between them except that Pakistan is being targetted, destablized, and attention of people being diverted and they are fed with unauthentic views/judgements by media/politicians/religio political leaders about how just a group is being targetted. Recommend

  • Amaar
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:31AM

    Zaka’s dark humor should bite into any decent Pakistani. As for the rest
    -those who remain cozy with the Mullahs- should really introspect themselves. They are in a serious need of light.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:47AM

    Well we are all under attack right now by a particular brand of islam which is in control of the majority of world oil reserves. This particular sect has enormous wealth and is capable of running many thousands of madressas inside pakistan and many thousands of madressas internationally. This particular brand of islam was responsible for the destruction of prophet muhammad’s house in 2005 and made a parking lot on top of it. It made public toilets where once the grave of prophet muhammad’s mother existed. It plans to demolish ghar e hira as well. This brand has destroyed and desecrated the graves of prophet muhammad’s entire family.

    The brand continues to fund and propagate itself in pakistan and is responsible for the majority of the funding of alqaeda and taliban terrorist. 15 of the 19 hijackers in 911 belonged to a particular country controlled by this brand of islam.

    Isn’t it time that we woke up against this fitna, as prophet muhammad once refused to bless Najd because the two horns of the devil would appear from there.

    And this probably wouldn’t be publishedRecommend

  • Topak Khan
    Jun 15, 2010 - 11:02AM

    I like the article, I really do, but the commenters Mr. Tabriz and Mr. Ahemd take the biscuit :P Recommend

  • Kamil
    Jun 15, 2010 - 12:18PM

    one word “Bravo” and I say that with the greatest of compliments to you as a writer. Though I have reserved views on the ahmadis but as a human and a muslim the atrocities towards current day ahamdis is outrageous….Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2010 - 12:29PM

    Break off relations with Saudi Arabia and Indonesia is a brilliant idea. how dare they not agree with our governments official stance. We’ll show them how to be good muslims….minus the corruption and general ignorance. Recommend

  • Amir Hamza
    Jun 15, 2010 - 12:39PM

    Fasi – you are awesome. Although i would have liked it if there were a more practical conclusion near the end. Recommend

  • Juman
    Jun 15, 2010 - 1:07PM

    Equating the plight of Ahmedis to that of Palestnians is bound to evoke alot of chest beating but there is no other way to get the point across to largely pro-palestnian pakistani population. Excellent article overall !Recommend

  • Faseeha Arjumand
    Jun 15, 2010 - 1:15PM

    I reluctantly and with shame state that the Ahmadis are being treated by the ultra-conservatives like the early Muslims were treated by the non-believers.

    Our legislators have declared them to be non-Muslims. The Supreme Court has rejected the Ahmadis right to use Islamic nomenclature and symbols. Their right to preach, their right to Azan and Islamic Kalima is blasphemy. Their uttering ‘Asalam o Alaikum’ can land them in jail!

    What else do the ultra-conservative want? If only doctrinal differences were to be highlighted to protect Muslims from accepting Ahmadis as Muslims, the legislators, the superior courts and the state have done an exceptionally good job.

    The Pakistani passport has a religion column to identify Ahmadis. The NADRA and electoral records, lists them as Ahmadis. All government and semi-autonomous bodies records the sects of all their employees.

    Its time to highlight in a civilized pattern the grievances the ultra-conservatives have against the Ahmadis. Discussions should be held in a free and democratic atmosphere. The Ahmadis should be invited to give their point of view. The media should play a constructive and problem solving role in these deliberations. The purpose of this process would not be make Ahmadis appear to be Muslims, as it has been legislated that they are ‘not-Muslims’. The sole purpose would be to give peace and democracy a chance to flourish. One prerequisite of this interaction would be to release the record of the 1974 National Assembly proceedings which lead to the Second Amendment of the Constitution declaring Ahmadis ‘not-Muslims’.Recommend

  • Sharjeel Jawaid
    Jun 15, 2010 - 1:22PM

    Very nicely presented.

    We have grown to become an intolerant mass. I dare not call ourselves a society.

    Let us have a look at the following quotes:

    “When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.

    And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore I was not concerned.

    And when Hitler attacked the union and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.

    Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant Church — and there was nobody left to be concerned.”

    Martin Niemoeller
    1892 — 1984

    Tragedy is not the brutality of evil, but the silence of good people.

    Marin Luther King Jr
    1929 — 1968Recommend

  • Faryal Tahir
    Jun 15, 2010 - 2:02PM

    Just to straighten the records, Saudi Arab has also restricted Ahamdi’s hajj, but as no other passport has the ‘religion’ column so Ahamdi Musllims not possessing green passport can enter Mecca. As for Indonesia I would add the Indonesian Supreme Court recently upheld a blasphemy law targeted at persecuting Ahmadiyya Muslims. Likewise, Bangladesh has banned all literature of Ahmadiyya Muslims.

    http://www.thepersecution.org is a great website for up to date information.Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Jun 15, 2010 - 2:48PM

    I’m glad you changed your views about the Ahmadis and how tragic their state of existance in Pakistan really is. There is no doubt that all religious minorites in Pakistan suffer in one way or another, but not a single one of them has constitutional laws directed against them, an insulting and hurtful column in the state’s ID card and passport applications, and a constant (quite irritating) insistance on the state, and everyone in it, that ‘Yes, you may insist you are Muslim, but really we know that you are not. Yes, you may say the Kalma, but really we all know you don’t ‘really’ mean it’. Christians aren’t told what they believe in, neither are Hindus. Ahmadis are told every day (and reminded through the laws) that they ‘in fact’ believe in XYZ, when they really don’t. You yourself mentioned in your article, ‘Atleast they believe in the Oneness of God’ – we do. But what’s the ‘at least’ for? We believe in everything else too – the five pillars of Islam, the concept of Khatim-e-Nabuwwat (believe it or not), and all the rest. Shame on Pakistan and Shame on all Pakistanis who choose to live in such ignorance of another’s belief, and not only that – they are happy to either victimise those with a different interpretation or watch on the sides as they see this victimisation – silence too is one of the worst kinds of violence.

    On a side note, I think it’s quite unfair to call Ahmadis ‘secretive’. Some may be, out of fear of their lives, but many are not. I myself told everyone openly, happily, and proudly that I’m an Ahmadi at school/college and university. I invited people to ask me questions (the most common being, is it true you have a ‘Jannat’ in Chanab Nagar – and then I realised how futile all this was when there was such prevalant ignornace even on part of educated college grads). Anyway, we aren’t secretive (not usually anyway and so I believe the label is unjustified). The only thing is that there are constitutional laws making ‘posing as a Muslim’ and offending the feelings of mainstream Muslims by any word, action, or even ‘visual representation’ carries a 3-yr sentence and fines. I often wonder what would be the fate of all the Muslims in the world, if those of the Christian fate golbally decided, on the basis of its worldwise majority, that because Muslims refuse to accept Jesus as the son of God, they offend their feelings and so the persecution starts. Quite a show to watch, that must be. But we don’t have to wait for that day. All Pakistanis silently watch it everyday – only the players are changed and we, the Ahmadis, are being persecuted.

    Thank you for an otherwise well written piece. Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2010 - 3:24PM

    Its a race to the bottom. If only the same people had the same intolerance towards terrorism as they hold towards Ahmedi’s. After all, the same people who have condemned Mr. Sharif for showing solidarity with the Ahmedi community are the same people who refused to condemn terrorism at a recent conference. Recommend

  • Mansoor Khalid
    Jun 15, 2010 - 3:26PM

    Bitter truth in mild tone. The discrimination we impose on a minority community is a condemnable act. Who are we to deice who’s right and who’s wrong? Why is religion the issue number one in this country, I will never understand that.Recommend

  • nida
    Jun 15, 2010 - 4:38PM

    very good man i am agree with you ahmadis are human aswellRecommend

  • Jun 15, 2010 - 5:23PM

    It is high time that general people must start thinking. What makes this small community to go on and Spread throughout the world. With so much of persecution in various countries, still people flow into this community, sacrificing their families, their wealth and facing social boycott. People must now realize the Power of Truth and God’s help for this community. To know True Islam please google Ahmadiyya and visit our official site http://www.alislam.comRecommend

  • Zulfiqar Haider
    Jun 15, 2010 - 5:58PM

    Every citizen of this country must play its part to curb the activities of the religious hardliners and also support the minorities present in the country.Recommend

  • A Rehman Akhtar Chaudary
    Jun 15, 2010 - 7:39PM

    in western world if one person get killed inhuman way there is always outcry and symthy, but in Land of so called muslims(sarkary Muslims Country Pakistan)never bother even say it is to bad so many inoccent Ahmadis have been murdered.I think people have lost there human side of it exept few who have begun to speak out. Recommend

  • BushraS
    Jun 15, 2010 - 7:45PM

    Thank you Fasi Zaka for this article.

    @ Tabrez Durrani: Yes Pakistan is a victim of terrorism. However, this community was targeted for its beliefs. In Garhi Shahu, the terrorists called out names of a few prominent people and shot them at point blank range. Three days later, an Ahmadi man was stabbed to death and his son seriously injured by a man who claimed that he will not leave any Ahmadi alive. Two days ago explosives were thrown in Shezan’s factory in Lahore because it is owned by Ahmadis (For the record, Shezan bakeries are not owned by Ahmadis anymore).

    So where the terrorism argument has weight, one can not deny that they were targeted as a community. The man they caught from Model Town admitted that he was told Ahmadis were behind the latest cartoon controversy which is why they needed to be taught a lesson. Recommend

  • Shabir Ahmad
    Jun 15, 2010 - 8:26PM

    As an Ahmadi I ask myself why should I be satisfied at what you have said? You have after all accepted that you are part of that culture in which Ahmadies are ‘disliked globally’, yet you do not even know why they are disliked so. You as a journalist, are happy to declare Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as an imposter to get your passport, without questioning why you are asked to do so? You are being unfaithful to your own self by signing and agreeing to a declaration for which you have neither seen proof nor tested it on the scales of common justice.Recommend

  • Yankee
    Jun 15, 2010 - 8:40PM

    “What really helped me see the inhuman treatment of the Ahmadis in Pakistan is the absence of condemnation for it”.

    Dozens of Mosques of Deobandies attacked since and thousands lost their life since 1999.

    Mr. Zaki have you ever write any article for Deobandies?

    Article consisting tons of sympathies for Ahmadies brothers is a fashion.Recommend

  • Imran Faris
    Jun 15, 2010 - 8:47PM

    Fasi Sahib I agree with you, very pity to say that we have double standards in our dealings and we are growing with a bias frame of mind. thanks for sharing your feelings with us.Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2010 - 8:54PM

    thankyou fasi! as for tabrez, stay in denial, dude!Recommend

  • Qudsia
    Jun 15, 2010 - 9:45PM

    Thank you for your voice of reason. To those who say all groups are being attacked in Pakistan so it’s not fair to mention Ahmadis being any worse off, I will point out that it were the Ahmadis who were firstly made the brunt of religious discrimination when the dust had settled after partition.

    They were considered too insignificant to matter so to please the mullahs for political prudence, laws were made against them which took away their basic rights and sanctioned their persecution…and once the state helped the monster of extremism grow and roam about it couldn’t stop it from the general anarchy that is Pakistan today,…because after all, most other sects of Islam consider every other sect kafir as well (they’ve given fatwas about it in their books), so why not go after each other too and why not persecute the Hindus and the Christians while at it.

    Universal justice, so emphatically taught by the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) must be practiced if there is to be any guarantee of peace for anyone, otherwise it’s just a matter of waiting one’s turn before the beast strikes.Recommend

  • Khalid
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:30PM

    Fasi that is awesome. Keep on writing.Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2010 - 10:36PM

    about http://www.thepersecution.org, “This Site is Restricted” (at least on the state owned ISP, PTCL).
    Maybe the ahmadis have some kind of blasphemous content on the website, or maybe its in the constitution to ban websites by ahmadis, even if they contain newspaper clippings and reports by the UN, no one knows.
    What if the government is just trying to “help”? Since they can not (do not wish to?) stop the persecution, at least they can keep the news from the people.Recommend

  • Zia H Shah
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:43PM

    Fasi Zaka’s excellent analysis has emboldened me to share this with you.

    I would encourage every one to listen to the Friday sermon of Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad of 2/21/1986. He has given a very thoughtful political analysis of the dictatorship and theocracy of General Zia Ul Haq. The sermon can be located at the following page:

    http://alislam.org/archives/year-1986.htmlRecommend

  • Syed Ahmed Faran
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:54PM

    As pointed b Sharjeel jawaid
    “Tragedy is not the brutality of evil, but the silence of good people.

    Marin Luther King Jr
    1929 — 1968”

    The whole country is under attack by terrorists. After the Lahore attacks do you observe the silence on condemning the attacks by religious parties openly? Actually they never do after such an attack, i dont know why people dont see these religious parties not speaking up against taliban?

    As in the case of Ahmedis, these parties infact provoke the public to tear Ahmedis down. You can notice it in ur streets.Recommend

  • Stranger
    Jun 15, 2010 - 10:57PM

    Excellent articleRecommend

  • Farid Ahmad Malik
    Jun 15, 2010 - 11:00PM

    This is very much true and one of the best-written articles on this topic.
    And btw Fasi,there is a chance that now,you are unsafe also.Recommend

  • Jun 15, 2010 - 11:02PM

    Fasi, feeling good after reading your article. I agree with one of the commentator that you didnt conclude with some solid suggestion and hoping do in near future with an another amazing column.

    You only talked about Nawaz Sharif, but you couldnt mention Prime Minister Gillani who couldnt even appear on TV for any condolence message, neither President Zardari nor Shahbaz Sharif as he could visit hospital or could condole with deceased families. No leader from ANP, No strong reaction from MQM ….Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Jun 15, 2010 - 11:26PM

    At least someone is finding some courage and common sense to speak up against the unjust treatment of human beings.Recommend

  • Salma Ahmad
    Jun 15, 2010 - 11:29PM

    Jazakallah for being honest!Recommend

  • Ustaad
    Jun 16, 2010 - 12:20AM

    Hats off to such a brave column. All the so-called Muslims who support such oppressive and embarrassing constitutional amendments, I invite you to cross the Pakistani borders and see how absurd these laws are. Stop asking others to read the Quran for we have seen those who claim to be masters of Quran, preaching hate on the streets of Pakistan against Ahmadis.

    Yes, I am a proud Ahmadi Muslim.

    Try being on the receiving end of a state sponsored discrimination my friends before you disagree with the writer.Recommend

  • Dr Mohammad Ali Arif
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:06AM

    The Article is a commendable piece of work, and the comments do highlight the perspective of certain segments in our society.
    Being impartial, i support the notion of equality of all Pakistani citizens and that discrimination on any grounds in unwarranted and condemnable.

    Keeping the aforementioned in mind, its a shame that divisions in the world, not just in Pakistani society, do exist on the grounds of religion, ethnicity, even worthless grounds such as political affiliation. A persons inclinations, be they toward an individual or a group, based upon religious dogma or ideological similarities, tend to be forcibly defended by the individual in question, often by violent means.

    Whether we consider the followers of the sect in question to be Muslims or out of the fold of Islam, is a different discussion altogether. The crux of the issue is perhaps the intensity by which both sides collide.

    The solution is perhaps already highlighted in the Holy Quran, where the instruction is to “Come to common terms, as between us and you, That we worship none but Allah …”

    Iqbal, in his reply to the complaint,put it thus in perhaps the most eloquent form of verse:

    Munfiyat ek hai is qaum ki, nuqsaan bhi ek…
    Ek hi sab ka nabi, deen bhi, emaan bhi ek…
    Haram e Pak bhi, Allah bhi, Quran bhi ek…
    Kuch bari baat thi hotey jo musalmaan bhi ek…
    Firqa bandi hai kaheen, aur kaheen zaatein hein…
    Kya zamane mein panapne ki yehi baatein hein !

    Your community is one, share your gains and woes.
    You’ve the same Prophet, same religion, same Faith.

    One Ka’aba, one Allah, one Quran!
    It would have been wonderful had Muslims been one and united too.

    There are sects, there are classes …
    Tis this all that is left to contemplate in the world ?Recommend

  • Jun 16, 2010 - 1:21AM

    I want to thank Fasi Zaka for his well written article. Every few months things happen in Pakistan targeting, individual or as group, member of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. In most cases, people die and in rest of the cases they stay in retentions for months and in some cases years for saying Islamic greetings or committing similar ‘big’ crimes. Most of the people, who cause all these killings are not punished, and matters are not even properly investigated. It is almost impossible to gage the impact of these laws and constitutional amendments allowing persecution of member of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

    Majority of people will conform that Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is very peaceful and decent community. Yet there is a lack of sympathy and realization of injustice toward them. Over 90 people died and nation almost kept quite. You can count the people who spoke about it and gave the incident proper coverage or due importance. There were even fewer who spelled out anything supporting Ahmadi Muslims and their rights.

    So, I do want to thank Fasi Zaka for his well written article, and want to remind Pakistani people that once a human leans to be inhuman toward one, that person can turn inhuman toward any. This is what has happened in Pakistan. No matter who Pakistan blames, they allowed their children to be trained to be brutal and intolerant. Now they are showing the same attitude toward their fellow citizens. Only way to stop is to, not allow your next generation to follow those footsteps, and to eliminate the laws that protect those attitudes of intolerance. If these two things are not put in place those who think are in control and feel proud to take ‘credit’ for mass killings, whether it is in Pakistan or here in USA, will find bullets facing their houses and children soon. Once my brother said that bullets, gurnards and likes don’t have eyes or hearts. They don’t distinguish between their owners and rest. So do the trained terrorists. May Allah be with us.Recommend

  • Farhat
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:45AM

    I forwarded this article all day long to family and friends because I think you were spot on this article.. The majority of Pakistanis have a deep hatred for Ahmadhis,and there is no hiding of this fact.. They have been silent spectators as their fellow countrymen are slaughtered. There are rumors that in certain circles there was actually jubilation (distribution of sweets),that see they killed the Qadianis!!!! If there was not jubilation in other quarters, there was the silent indifference…. Good job Muslims of Pakistan for showing to the world how fellow humans should be treated in you Islamic state!!!!Recommend

  • tania
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:49AM

    Very well written article. I would just like to clarify that Ahmadis do believe in One Allah, Hazrat Mohammad (S) as Khatim-un-nabaeen and the five pillars of Islam. The main difference is the belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was the promised Messiah. But then the Sunni sect and many other also believe in the second coming of Messiah.

    Secondly, a lot of people from our generation do not know that the decision to declare Ahmadis as non-muslims was a political one rather than a religious one.

    Thirdly, Ahmadis appear as secretive only because they fear for their lives or the lives of their loved ones.

    And lastly, I would request each and everyone of you to please do some research. Independent research to check out for yourself what the Ahmadi beliefs are.Recommend

  • Omar
    Jun 16, 2010 - 2:01AM

    Good article Fasi,
    I sincerely hope more people speak up against the hate that has consumed Pakistan and the muslim nation. If they were Jeddi’s they would surely be on the dark side of the force:)
    Just one note I have to inject is that comparing Ahmadi’s to Palestines is not fair because the Palestinians fight back (rocks, rockets, bombs etc) while no Ahmadi has ever lifted a finger against those who mean to destroy us. Ahmadi’s dont believe in violence no matter how bad it gets, hence their logo: love for all….
    OmarRecommend

  • mehar ali
    Jun 16, 2010 - 2:25AM

    To Tabrez Durrai, where have you been living man,in pakistan? Ahmadisare persecuted in this country long before this incident and NO IT WAS NOT A FIRST ATTACK ON AHMADIS. go check your history.
    To Nida ,ahmadis are muslims too.
    I read an article in Dawn couplew of days ago where the writer listed the time line of persecution which is quite incomplete.In 1953 govt. had to declare marshall law in Lahore bec the maulis insurgence against the ahmadis. Recommend

  • Muhammad Ali Shahid
    Jun 16, 2010 - 2:37AM

    Pakistanis need to wake up. Where has the peace gone? My memory tells me that I saw it once, but looking at Pakistan today I have to try hard to imagine that it ever existed. Do you not long for it or are you all too busy saving your lives? Please think and try to find out what has gone wrong. Try to change it. Only Pakistan’s collective conscience can save it from the path it on, but everyone immediately despairs of the possibility of being able to make a change, so the collective conscience never comes.Recommend

  • Salim
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:13AM

    It is a very nice article. I like to congratulate as well as pray that God grant you courage to keep on speaking the truth. We, Pakistani are known to not accept the reality if shown and always find lame excuses. Justice is the beauty of Islam and unfortunately Pakistan does not possess it. Shame on to those still have no courage to condemn these cowardly acts of terrorists, backed by the so called custodian of Islam.Recommend

  • Adnan
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:55AM

    I really appreciate the realisation of the real cause of this state-sanctioned persecution going against the Ahmadi’s for decades. I would really say thanks to Fasi Zaka for this write-up and to Faseeha Arjumand and Sharjeel Jawaid for their comments. God Bless you all for your kind heartedness and sweet words.Recommend

  • ijaz
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:57AM

    kudos, Fasi. excellent.
    reminds me of Martin Niemoeller’s quote:

    „Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Kommunist.
    Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
    Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
    habe ich nicht protestiert;
    ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
    Als sie die Juden holten,
    habe ich nicht protestiert;
    ich war ja kein Jude.
    Als sie mich holten,
    gab es keinen mehr, der protestierte.“

    roughly translated:

    “As the Nazis fetched communists
    I remained silent
    I wasn’t a communist
    As they jailed social-democrats
    I remained silent
    I wasn’t a social-democrat
    As they targeted trade-unionists
    I remained silent
    I wasn’t a trade-unionist
    As they got the Jews
    I remained silent
    I wasn’t a Jew
    As they came to get hold of me
    There wasn’t anyone left who could protest”Recommend

  • Hamza
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:58AM

    Bravo! In the words of Mr Dylan: The times they are a-changing.Recommend

  • Omer
    Jun 16, 2010 - 6:52AM

    Very nice article. Recommend

  • Iffat Rahim
    Jun 16, 2010 - 8:25AM

    Dear Fasi Zaka,

    I condemn killings of innocent Muslims and Non Muslim, but I do not agree to all of your crap.

    When writers like you want to persuade people to agree with you, they start to concoct things which are too obviously crooked. For example:
    “..Pakistani Ahmadis aren’t allowed to go for Hajj, but Ahmadis from other countries are….”… you are mixing facts with fiction. You are claiming that Saudi Govt. knowingly allows Ahmedis from other countries to perform Hajj. This is one baseless accusation among others.

    You are just being a knee-jerk reactionary. One wrong does not justify other wrongs.

    But then you would loose fans if you were to call a spade a spade. Keep twisting and keep fabricating… Good Luck.Recommend

  • Jun 16, 2010 - 8:32AM

    to somewhat comprehend what Ahmadi Muslims have to deal with on daily bases in Pakistan please see the below links. Ahmadi Muslims live under, perpetual state sanctioned and state condoned, terror. This has continued for more that 35 years consistently, without anyone ever raising a finger. So while I appreciate the author’s move to break out of his shell and making an attempt at bringing years of oppression via clever word play to surface, I am afraid that this is nothing unless the author and other decent human beings truly strive to rid Pakistan of hate and oppression.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yMSVZ9jFRE

    http://www.thepersecution.org/

    for true Islamic principals see
    http://www.alislam.orgRecommend

  • Manahil
    Jun 16, 2010 - 9:29AM

    you hit it spot on. good job.Recommend

  • Syed Zafar Ahmad
    Jun 16, 2010 - 10:34AM

    Fasi Zaki, a friend of mine forwarded your article. I have my thanks and gratitude for the courage you displayed and the stand you took. Jazak’Allah. However, in the backdrop of violence against the Ahmadees in Pakistan, I am afraid, you may as well be in the hit-list of those ‘defenders of Islam’ for so boldly defending their right to exist. I have also read all the comments and find that most of your readers unhesitatingly endorsed your views. They too deserve my thanksRecommend

  • Zahid
    Jun 16, 2010 - 10:46AM

    As ahmadis seems to reserve their ‘comments’ about the state of moral health of rest of mulslim world (which is obvious to its darkest levels like the time before Prophet Muhammad PBUH), the same treatment they deserve to have. Then we will know the inside truth.

    We really need to know more about their believes that gave them the strength to submit to Allah at this inhuman time of massive proportion. Very Impressive at spiritual levels!!Recommend

  • Jun 16, 2010 - 10:57AM

    Great Article Fassi but you forgot to mention that Ahmadis think that “RABWA” is the holiest place on earth. So they go for Pilgrimage there and not Saudi Arabia. In Makkah no non-muslim is allowed to enter. Even a western national.Recommend

  • Muntazir Mehdi
    Jun 16, 2010 - 10:59AM

    @ ahmed!
    Can you please explain your comments a bit further about this brand of islam controlled by maojority of world oil reserves?Recommend

  • Sania
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:07AM

    @ Iffat Rahim

    Do you happen to share your name with the fashion model or are you the same person? Just curious, because if you are that Iffat Rahim – Omar then no one can actually accuse you of being a bimbo, can they? In other circumstances, the point the writer is trying to make here is, Pakistan is the only country which has declared the Ahmadiya community to be Non- Muslims and has printed that on their passports as well and that is why they are not allowed the scared pilgrimage otherwise, if Saudi government or any other Muslim government did consider the Ahmadiyyas non Mulsim, they too would have particularly mentioned them to be NON Mudlims on their passports or any other document of travel. The reason this point was brought up, was to express the dejection and unprivileged status of the Ahmadiya Muslims only in Pakistan. No prize for dosclosing that the reason ahmadiyas were decalred non muslims was just a stunt to please the religious clergy which was so bent upon toppling Zulfi Bhutto’s government by calling it against the interest of the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan.

    And I do not think you are a Fasi fan and its good to know one person who isnt actually, but being a Fasi loyalist, let me tell you very frankly, he is known for calling a spade a spade. And one more thing Iffat Rahim, please try to erase prejudices from your life, and let God do His job to differentiate the right from wrong. If we start meding our own ways, believe me we wont really have time to worry about other people. We have loved our religion enough to hate all others, lets start by loving our religion to the extent that it makes us tolerate others. and hey, good luck to you too.Recommend

  • Ali Riaz
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:15AM

    After the brutal killings of Ahmadi’s in the recent Lahore attacks, I feel guilty as well as ashamed to be a Pakistani. I would like to ask my fellow countrymen, Is this how ISLAMIC republic Of Pakistan Treat its people? Its Hard to believe that the Islamic teachings preached here in Pakistan are similar to the Ones preached by the Prophet(PBUH). Prophet(PBUH) was known for his kindness, Tolerance, Patience and above all his behaviour with others. Are we Kind to Ahmadis?? Do we show tolerance to their believes? Do we behave well with them?? But then again, We’re not Ahmadis so we are obviously not wrong. Its shameful that we being Muslims are far away from the teachings of Prophet(PBUH). Recommend

  • fasi zaka
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:39AM

    @iffat rahim

    you are correct on the saudi arabia part, i got that wrong, they do not knowingly allow them, but because other countries dont have the specification in their passports they dont get rejected.

    maybe it wont be long before the saudi’s ask for it in the application forms too.

    fasi zakaRecommend

  • Danyyal
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:41AM

    BULLS EYE!Recommend

  • fizzakhattak
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:59AM

    fasi la simply the best no one rise this topic befor u in this way.Recommend

  • Imran Khan
    Jun 16, 2010 - 12:05PM

    Well said Fasi.Recommend

  • shyan
    Jun 16, 2010 - 12:23PM

    the article deals wit the serious issue of human rights violation, and how a specific community is being targetted, not just through violence but also through social ostracization. however, the comparison of ahmedis with palestinians is a bit too sensationalist in my opinion. I dont want to go into details of wat the palestinians suffer everyday as it is all too fimiliar but ahmedis are living very comfortably in comparison to the palestinians who are starving bcz of blockades etc…Recommend

  • Tabrez Durrani
    Jun 16, 2010 - 12:39PM

    To all who have responded esp Meher and Adil:

    Dont intent to start up an arguemnt nor am i preaching; just giving my view, my right, which i assume we all have respect for each other’s. I was brought up in a religious background with strict sunni beliefs. I was always told Ahmadis are (excuse me)’wrong’ in their beliefs just as anybody is who doesnt believe what we believe. So thats another story and nobodys discussing that for the timebeing.

    Ya, declaration of Ahmadis as non-muslims was a totally political one rather than religious one- agreed.

    But the fact remains that who isnt targeted in Pakistan? Who is safe in Pakistan these days? and who is the beneficiary?

    There are a lot of people who believe what actually happened on 9/11 is because on tv they always show Osama/Al-Qaeda (they exist or not, thats another story!) pics whenever they show the twin towers tumbling and the planes crashing. People asking me to be realistic have as much evidence to believe what they believe as much as i have reason to disagree with them – or with those who force/dictate/propogate the world to believe what they want them to believe.

    Let me just request you guys to please not to take it as it comes (or given to u). Wahtever happens in Pakistan, believe me, is not as simple as it appears…the cat-mouse story is beyond they-attacked-america-so-we-attack-them-and-in-turn-they-attack-Pakistan….to me it makes more sense as we-make-them-attack-wehrever-we-want-so-dat-we-can-keep-on-attacking-weherever-we-want..think think..Recommend

  • Tabrez Durrani
    Jun 16, 2010 - 12:46PM

    and pls let me add before i get stereotyped for something, my best buddy (since 22 years!) is an Ahmadi and we are both open-minded enough to not letting our discussions go aggresive beyond ‘bas rehne hi do’ :)Recommend

  • Jun 16, 2010 - 12:52PM

    Mr. Fasi that very article of yours was a folderol. Did u ever show fellow feeling and wrote any article on the dupes of blast at jamia naeemia lahore, supply depot mosque nowshera and many other..? This sympathy for ahmedis is a belly laugh for me because every sound muslim knows and has firm believe that the one who takes issues of Muhammad (PBUH) as a last Prophet is liable for capital punishment and so is a qadiani. i have lived with a qadiani as a room mate and i know what actually their intention and organized plan of investing time as a friend is…
    And i can bet the people who are endorsing your this piece of writing are those who didn’t get any single word of it but just supporting it because they are the fans of FASI ZAKA. Recommend

  • jazzup
    Jun 16, 2010 - 12:56PM

    Hi

    Each and every one is respected.
    People should be knowing who has done wrong.Recommend

  • ans
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:05PM

    much has been said! much has been read!!
    i wish if much has been understood and acted upon too!!

    i wish to see end of this brutality in my life.

    Hats off Fasih! Good jobRecommend

  • naqash
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:11PM

    i think thats relly a thing we should pay some aattention me rely agree wih fasi zaka an his try to let us think about itRecommend

  • R. Husain
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:17PM

    I think this article should be translated in Urdu and all of our other regional languages so that its outreach is in every corner of this intolerant society.Recommend

  • Ali
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:24PM

    Well the atrocitites carried out over ahmaeids are highly condemnable. Theie right of living should not be taken away. But i guess this is not the time to preach “ahmediat” here. Please dont think that every other person is oblivion and unaware of teachings of ahmediat. There are people including me who have gone through many of your books written by your mirza sahab and which are highly debatable and the content is just so much in contradiction to real teachings of islam.

    Neway, i dont wana open a front here and just wana say, Killings innocent human beings should never be allowed and justified.Recommend

  • Abdul Mutaal
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:27PM

    I think, fasi wrote excellent article. he really depicted the harsh realities of the society and injustice with Ahmedis in Pakistan. The claim at every legal document that “i consider Mirza…..” is really pathetic. we are discriminating these people. The issue raised by the writer that if this type of situation arises in those countries where Muslims are living as minorities, then i could become impossible for those Muslims to live there freely. I think the same rule should be applied in Pakistan as well, which is the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN , unfortunately encouraging injustice, discrimination and intolerance.Recommend

  • Osama Rao
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:33PM

    Fasi bhai i completely agree with all your point of views. if we can tolerate christians (the ones who beleive allah ahas a son ), hindus (allah is more than one), barelvis’s (the ones who ask from someone who’s dead), then yeas we should let the ahmadi’s live in peace. and the ones here who say that they are “wajib-ul_qatal” go kill an american and then come and kill a helples “qadiani”.Recommend

  • Syed Naseer Ahmed
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:34PM

    The literaary value of this article must be in multiple coefficients. In spite of a very serious and sad issue its an enjoyble raeding. This is the time to try to contribute towards the awakening of those with conscience….like yourself (sadly very few and far between). We all must do our utmost at individual level to condone such support. Currently in Pakistan, the Govt, the media, the itelligencia, all have been made a hostage by the Extremist Mullahs (who have nothing to do with Islam) who are gradually strangling the whole system into a state of pathetic & pitiful inertness. Likea very well-known columnist of Pakistan told me yesterday that Turks needed Ata-Turk…. pakistan needs a 100 of them…so sad! And that is because successive govts have utilized these self-serving extremists for their own perssonal goals, just as the current Panjab govt is doing… by supporting madrasaas known for talibanization. Well why shouldnt they…They come from Raiwind…dont they?Recommend

  • Atul Chandra
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:41PM

    I am an Indian and non-Muslim, so I do not know how my coments will be taken.

    Anyway, Amidst all the gloom that Pakistan evokes, this article and comments of most of the readers gives much to hope for-all is not yet lost.

    Is it possible for ‘live and let live’ to happen in Pakistan?Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Jun 16, 2010 - 1:50PM

    Excellent article. I think cutting off diplomatic relations may not suffice. We must immediately stop the financial and material aid which we provide to Saudi Arabia and Indonesia and give final warning to rest of the world for cutting diplomatic relations. By threatening the entire world of diplomatic isolation we can easily force them to stoop against our demands. I think they deserve this treatment. Recommend

  • sadia qamar
    Jun 16, 2010 - 2:23PM

    Well its not us to discuss who is muslim or not…allah almighty knows the secrets of hearts..well fussy a great article!! human rights should be the first priority!Recommend

  • Abdul Alim
    Jun 16, 2010 - 2:25PM

    Dear Fasi:
    This is not funny. Although I must congragulate you having written a good piece with all sensitivities balanaced.

    As for the issue of signing the declaration of declaring the founder of Ahmadiyya community to be an imposter, this is serious and one expects people of even minimal integrity to at least read something written by him before signing the declaration.

    In one sense, actually it was this declaration that saved me. Once I read it and decided to first at least read what the founder of Ahmadiyya movement had to say, I was utterly surprised to discover that he was right. He argued passionately for observing secularism as as religious value, giving fatwa against all militancy garbed as Jihad and the value of being loyal to your country first. If this is written by an imposter than I would prefere such a enlightened imposter over our bigoted mullahs anytime (you must make your choice also).

    So please tread carefully. This is the crunch time. Decisions must be made and sides must be taken. In the struggle between oppressors and oppressed, there is only one side that is right and silent bystanders are accomplices.

    May Allah guide us all to the right path.Recommend

  • SOHAIL.JAVAID
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:22PM

    though I have reserved views on the ahmadis but as a human and a muslim i think that bad attitude with ahamdis is sad ….Recommend

  • qurat ul ain
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:23PM

    Fasi zaka can u tell me a thing with truth that before writing this artical what was your feeling….???????? you are optimistic person but in your urdu newspaper express abbas athar wrote a provoked artical..perhaps abbas athar coax mullahs or want more fame….very sad don’t you think that gernalist becoming also a gang..??? i think islam and our politics in the sinking stage in pakistan…???? Recommend

  • Rabia
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:38PM

    Great piece. Recommend

  • Rabia
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:40PM

    Great pieceRecommend

  • Zia H Shah
    Jun 16, 2010 - 3:47PM

    The comment above by Tabrez Durrani is the typical response of many coming religious back ground.

    They want to call the Lahore massacre as another manifestation of terrorism that is common place in the country. This is an unfortunate ploy, to take attention away from the persecution of Ahmadi Muslims that is manifest in the laws of Pakistan.

    Every Pakistani who has a passport is a witness of that. In Lahore incident the training of the terrorists and target killing of the leadership, immediately draws attention to the link here betweeen terrorism and persecution.

    I would go as far as saying that if there were no 1974 law or 1984 law, Pakistani society would not be so intolerant and not such a fertile soil. Javed Ahmadi Ghamadi in a TV interview suggested that we are reaping the crop of hatred that we have sown in the last few decades.

    Let me link here a good 50 minute video about separation of state and mosque. A fair and balanced analysis of persecution of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Pakistan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1-iIzDEesM ( 1 of 5)

    In the fourth segment of this video Javed Ahmadi Ghamidi puts forward logical arguments in favor of total freedom of religion and one of the journalists nicely augments his opinion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jByuvpeKLOE&feature=related

    In the last segment the human rights activist Ali Hasan nicely links terrorism and persecution and makes a final appeal for separation of state and mosque.Recommend

  • Maria
    Jun 16, 2010 - 4:10PM

    The style of the article highlights the content in such a way that the injustices against Ahmadis becomes undeniable and deserving of condemnation.
    Mr. Zaka, I am glad you wrote this column so that people can begin to wake up to the chaos that is being brewed in Pakistan. Recommend

  • Noor
    Jun 16, 2010 - 4:49PM

    A friend who is AHMADI had brain surgery; he needed blood and all the friends around him donated blood. He survived and thanked them all. Best part is no one cared about religion, everyone saw a friend in need. Those who donated were HUMANBEINGS… our religion was a personal matter.

    Where has that spirit gone… Recommend

  • Imran
    Jun 16, 2010 - 5:12PM

    Excellent article. Since the atrocity in Lahore, I too have been reading about the Ahmadis and the way they have been treated. Like you, I too have been appalled at the bigotry or callous indifference of fellow Pakistanis.
    I am ashamed of us as a nation on this issue.Recommend

  • Talat
    Jun 16, 2010 - 5:42PM

    Thank you. Recommend

  • mariyam
    Jun 16, 2010 - 6:59PM

    i need to correct mr shahid banglore the website is
    http://www.alislam.org this is the only official website of AHMADIYA Community.
    thanx..Recommend

  • Saboor Syed
    Jun 16, 2010 - 7:17PM

    Notwithstanding Iffat Rahim’s head in sand comment, the rest of the readers’ commments are tremendously reassuring and heartening – perhaps in many ways even more than the Fasi’s brilliant write up here …Recommend

  • Hasan Hai
    Jun 16, 2010 - 7:45PM

    Very well spoken.

    I was born in Pakistan, but raised in Canada. While not religious myself, I am from an Ahmadi family. My parents left Pakistan in 1978 because of the intolerable expectation for them to denounce their faith in an abhorrent, humiliating way if they had any hope of earning a living.

    Members of my extended family have been victimized and, in recent months, killed, solely because of their beliefs.

    I am sad to say, that I am ashamed of where I come from. The lack of any real condemnation for atrocities against fellow human beings leave me embarassed to identify as being Pakistani.

    I hope that in my lifetime, I can tell my friends, my family, and the world, that I am proud of my country of birth for standing up for established and recognized human rights, and protecting its citizens of various faiths from unjust persecution for the crime of just existing.

    Even if you don’t share their beliefs, they are people and have a right to live and exist.Recommend

  • Quratulain Ahmed
    Jun 16, 2010 - 7:54PM

    Excellent Article Fasi! After reading this article I feel as if Ahmadis are the Jews of Pakistan because of the strong bias against them. But who will give them justice? I would like to know your response to Iffat Rahim’s comment as you are being accused of fabricating and twisting facts? Recommend

  • Usman
    Jun 16, 2010 - 8:02PM

    excellent article. Very good analysis and you made your point, well that is if some of us do understand what exactly you are saying. But it might be hard for some of us to realize that what we are doing with Ahmedis is wrong because as one of the anchor in a talk show said that our nation is a dead nation. We don’t care what is happening with our neighbour as long as i am ok. but in the case of Ahmedis it is even worst because we make sure they Ahmedis are treated the worst and if they are not we go to our mosque and ask the imam to say something against ahmedis or give a fatwa that will embark us to kill the innocent humans. And with killing of the Ahmedis although is chain of the attacks that were happening in pakistan but has a lot to do with the hatred towards them. The imams tell us to kill them in order to go to Jannah.. I will rather not go to their Jannah if i have to kill innocent civilians, i will go to the jannah that is mentioned in Quran. I would like to see the kids of these imam’s doing these terrorist activities, i would like to see the jamat e islami leader to go and kill ahmedis and khtme nabuwat leader to go and kill ahmedis and then i will say that atleast they follow what they teach.

    Again i will say that us pakistanis are morally and ethically a dead nation. We are the worst nation on planet earth, if you don’t belive me look around and see that we have disasters after disasters of Allah, this taliban is also Allah teaching us lesson. We are the most hated nation in the world. Thank you Molvi Sahib, Thank you very muchRecommend

  • hassan
    Jun 16, 2010 - 8:48PM

    AT LASTTTTTTTTT SOMEBODY GETS IT !Recommend

  • Zaheer
    Jun 16, 2010 - 10:13PM

    Yes, you really hit the target. Pakistan needs to do a lot for human rights and all of us should be vocal on this issue whenever and wherever we had a chance.

    Pakistan Gov’t should give equal rights to all Pakistanis irrespective of their faith & religion and those stupid ammendments either made in 1973 or in 1984, which are spreading hatered in the society should be slashed immediatly. Recommend

  • PAKISTANI
    Jun 16, 2010 - 10:49PM

    WELL if pakistan has this rule for Ahmadis then it not a problem its freedom of speech, and thats the rule of state, so if someone dosent likes to go with the state he / she can leave the country, and Pakistani govt will not stop him /her. Feel free to leave or accept the freedom of speech.Recommend

  • umer
    Jun 16, 2010 - 10:59PM

    Excellent articleRecommend

  • Mirza Adeel Sami
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:26PM

    Thanks for writing on us …Recommend

  • Hibba Saeed
    Jun 16, 2010 - 11:34PM

    Most of the comments that have been posted here generally appreciate Fasi Zaka as a good (and obviously sarcastic) writer.But in my opinion the writer is only trying to make everybody look in only one direction.He’s making the Ahmedi’s look like a bunch of innocent babies who are cowering in shadows in Pakistan because of the inhumane(!!!) declaration of them as non-Muslims.Well isn’t this declaration right…???
    Anyone who’s familiar with the primary definition of Muslims will know that a Muslim is one who
    1-believes in oneness of Allah.
    2-believes Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) to be the last prophet of Allah.
    3-and believes in holy books,angels n day of judgement.
    (Mr. Meher Ali please pay attention)
    so according to #2,Ahmedi’s are non Muslims.
    And as a matter of fact everybody knows that Ahmedi’s have made it sure that the REAL MUSLIMS also get their share of unpleasantness and hatred.
    Also, the writer shouldnot just bring forth one side of the whole scenerio.He’s just mixing the facts of one tragedy with his assumptions.
    And in the end,he is very diplomatically evading a conclusion.Recommend

  • Al Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen
    Jun 17, 2010 - 12:03AM

    @Shahid. It is sadly funny what you people invent. “Ahmadis go to Hajj in Rabwah”, just a straightforward lie. Why do you not watch the satellite channel MTA – Muslim Television Ahmadiyya to see whether what you are spreading is the truth or not? You can also view it at http://www.mta.tvRecommend

  • Mahwish Khan
    Jun 17, 2010 - 12:20AM

    Ahmadism is not a part of Islam and they are not Muslims as they have rejected the fundamental aspect that Mohammad (pbuh) is the last Prophet of Allah, therefore if a person says that he or she is a prophet then naturally according the rules of Islam they are not Muslims and cannot be a part of Islam. They can have their own religion but it would have no connection with Islam, period.

    All Ahmadis should be given proper respect as human beings and should have equal rights no matter where they reside. As far as performing Hajj or similar Islamic rituals is concerned then naturally they cannot be allowed to do so as they are not Muslims. That is something no one can debate about.

    I suggest that rather than acting all cool and ‘open minded’ get your fundamentals sorted and figure out why they were declared non-muslims and don’t just sit in front of the computer and type out a sensationalized article which has no substance and is just misleading and twisted.Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 12:21AM

    I can only sum up the above load of discussion in one sentence as follows:-

    “What is vice today may be virtue tomorrow”

    Killing of any human being is condemnable act, so Ahmedies are not an exception.
    But killing of a beautiful idea of life is a far greater criminal act that has been done by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed whose name states that he is a slave of the Holy Prophet (Sallal laho alleyhe wassalam) but what he did can only be categorized as disobedience and attempted deformation of the teachings of the Prophet (Sallal laho alleyhe wassalam).
    I join all of you in condemning ruthless attacks on their worship places, but separate my ways when it comes to giving any clean chit to them on account of what they stand for.

    Regards,

    Muhammad Abubakar ZubairRecommend

  • khan
    Jun 17, 2010 - 12:36AM

    brilliant. Dear Mr Zaka, its a fabulous article, and i m glad u changed ur mind towards Ahmadiyyat. Alhamdolillah.

    Keep up ur good work :)Recommend

  • Saadia
    Jun 17, 2010 - 12:51AM

    It should not matter whether we care about a certain group or not, what should matter is whether we raise our voice or condemn human rights violations. Because not doing anything grdually eradicates the social concious of the society. Ahmadies are currently the only community in pakistan without the right to vote. They have a 100% literacy rate and just by looking at their peaceful response to all the atrocities committed against them over a period of three decades, should make the intellectuals ponder what the country is loosing by marginalizing a literate, peaceful group of people. They have produced the first foreign minister of Pakistan who Jinnah considered an esteemed advisor. They have produced the only Pakistani nobel prize winner who kept his Pakistani citizenship till his death so that his prize would always be associated with Pakistan. Ahmadies have produced generals like Akhtar Ali and Abdul Ali Malik. In most public and private sector postions that ahmadies serve in, they are generally known for their honesty. Gen Zia with all his rhetoric and heinous laws against Ahmadies frequently went to Ahmadi physicians for his medical needs.
    My question to the intellectuals in Pakistan is: How long we will stay quiet and let our nation be highjacked by a philosophy and laws which have no bearing in our peaceful religion or the very foundation on which this nation came into being. Isn’t it time to come out of our cacoons and take responsibility for what is happening in Pakistan, because not doing or saying anything is synonymous with condoning it.Recommend

  • Usama Hayee
    Jun 17, 2010 - 1:04AM

    A very well written article with the balance of words. I am glad to see more and more unbiased people in this country. Recommend

  • sariya
    Jun 17, 2010 - 1:09AM

    some how i can not agree with everything you wrote. bulk of us dont like them but still they are living a more luxurious life then most of us and Christians and Hindus as you mentioned. further you know and i know that there are many people in our NA who are Ahmedi or Qadianis etc but they are coming from Muslim seats. they are hiding their identity not to save their life but to save their interests. also its a deceit and lack of policy or check whatever u say on part of authorities also. i suppose its not the case that we hate them but most of us are uncomfortable with it; just like in case of Jews and Zionists.We hate Zionists for what they do but we are uncomfortable with Jews also. I might be wrong but thats how i am looking at it. As per attacks every human be it Muslim or non Muslim should condemn it and so do but probably its not possible to digest every thing some one say.Recommend

  • Samandar Khan
    Jun 17, 2010 - 1:15AM

    A very thought provoking article.Recommend

  • Azaz Ahmad
    Jun 17, 2010 - 1:33AM

    Excellent writing…..This was Fasi’s best so far……I hope people think the same way and try to take Pakistan forward. Until our people keep on following these illiterate mullahs, Pakistan is doomed. Hope the majority wakes up otherwise the future seems bleak…..Recommend

  • Malik
    Jun 17, 2010 - 1:54AM

    please read the first amendment of US constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    They have not acted against it since 12/15/1791.
    Can constitution experts in pakistan read this amendment and the history of US, and learn some lesson from this great country.

    Why pakistani constitution has conflict in it, it says in one part freedome and then take it out from some sections and then ban it in other sections?????

    God Bless America! , it has nice laws for human biengs. We also pray that may God bless pakistan with the nice laws for human beings.Recommend

  • Junaid
    Jun 17, 2010 - 2:07AM

    Well, that’s a nice article, much like one that could be expected from Fasi Zaka. But here’s one thing that must not be forsaken: as we preach that Ahmedis should be given equal social rights, we must also expound that legislation should be done on “human” basis and not ideological inclinations; that is, the question that whether Ahmedis are Muslims or not shouldn’t be a part of the debate anyway, for all that would give rise to is more chaos and no real practical work.
    Finally, I would like to say that the general public and religious fanatics should be clearly kept apart in such articles; the extremists are very few and majority of the people respond positively to an argument based on human aspect of the issues. Journalism, in these days particularly, needs a very cautious policy towards the interpretation of events.Recommend

  • Irfan
    Jun 17, 2010 - 2:20AM

    I agree with you, If you compare Pakistan and Israel there are lot of similarities including the one that the way Ahmadies are being treated in Pakistan by so called Muslims is same as Muslims are being treated in Palestine by Jews.Recommend

  • F Alam
    Jun 17, 2010 - 2:30AM

    Fasi is right. We have not been fair to Ahmedis.

    At the same time, please do not forget that the life is really hard for ALL Pakistanis… hence everyone is trying to get the hell out of a beautiful country that could have offered sanctuary to the oppressed!!Recommend

  • Umair Savul
    Jun 17, 2010 - 2:55AM

    its really a wonderment for me that if u are talking about Humanity and Mankind then why only Ahmedi community is your subject? why not Hindus and Jews or any other sect..? I believe that to give care to Humankind is the biggest humanity but one should be of that sound mind to differentiate b/w what is right and what is wrong. If we talk here about Jews as our subject i bet no one will regard them as human beings but will consider them as their biggest enemies blanking out that they are also human being.
    When Allah says that “yahud, hanood aur nasara tumhare dost nahi ho saktay” then how will u take these people, as an enemy of Islam or as a human being?? Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 6:13AM

    good effort—–the longest journey starts with a SINGLE stepRecommend

  • Muriam Butt
    Jun 17, 2010 - 7:03AM

    Attack on Ahmidia worship place is very tragic n painful incident……
    but we cant match them to Hindus & Christans…. coz hindus n christans neither believe on Oneness of Almighty Allah nor Muhammad (PBUH) whereas these Ahmadias believe on Allah n also on Muhammad (PBUH) n then they believe another prophet(Mirza Gulamm Ahmad Qadiyani)… this is the basic fact which is not bearable in Islam at any cost as we c When Musalma Kazab declare that he is also a prophet of Allah…Hazrat Abu Bakar shows no patience n peace on that matter…. then how can we…. they r the minority of pakistan….. they pretend that they r very peaceful but whenever n where ever they find chance they start preaching their teachings……….Recommend

  • Zia H Shah
    Jun 17, 2010 - 7:20AM

    Saboor Syed observed:

    “The rest of the readers’ commments are tremendously reassuring and heartening – perhaps in many ways even more than the Fasi’s brilliant write up here.”

    This is a good observation but do not think that the nay sayers have converted. They are only silent for the moment, deciding on what would be the next guise for their hate mongering, or they are reading Urdu newspapers!Recommend

  • University Student
    Jun 17, 2010 - 7:42AM

    Mr. Zaka,
    I was born a Pakistani, and then at the age of two was forced to flee with my family. For a very long time, I refused to call myself a Pakistani – I didn’t want to belong to a country that condemned me for my beliefs. Even today, it takes me a minute before I tell someone where I’m from. This isn’t because I hold hatred for the country – no, rather I long to be able to set eyes on my homeland once more. What impedes me is the close-minded, corrupt and cowardly ways of the political government of Pakistan, and even to some degree its people. This is the very same country that couldn’t even leave the grave of a dead man alone – no, the Nobel Prize winning Physicist that brought Pakistan onto the map of Science – had the word “Muslim” rubbed off his gravestone. Even today, if they do bother putting his name in textbooks, they refrain from mentioning he was an Ahmadi—what they don’t realise is that it was because he was Ahmadi, that he was able to see and do what he did.

    I applaud you for your article. My faith in Pakistan has always be precarious at best, especially after the events in lahore – my utter shock and pain ripped me of any remaining sympathy I had for the country…but since then, pakistanis have come forward. It took the lives of 94, and the blood of 100 others, but at last, pakistan has shown signs of having a heart. Just wonder how long it’ll be till this again wears off, and mullahs regain their rule…history dictates that Pakistan has a very short and selective memory when it suits them.

    And for the record, I like your conclusion. Dramatic, but truer words were never said. As long as Ahmadi’s are alive, the Mullah’s livelihood and power is at stake – we are the only ones capable of calling their ficticious lies and self-suiting interpretations for what they are. They have the people of pakistan and its politicians eating out of their fingers, you can’t expect them to want to let go of that kind of power…and therefore Ahmadi’s must be destroyed.Recommend

  • University Student
    Jun 17, 2010 - 7:55AM

    One more thing, I wonder how the people of Pakistan can possibly think Ahmadis are living “more comfortable” lives than other Pakistanis? Unless of course you too would like to have your freedom of speech, and freedom to practice your faith freely snatched from you? Perhaps, in the eyes of pakistanis’ the definition of a “comfortable life” is one where you must think twice everytime you speak lest you be turned in by your neighbours, classmates and friends for saying “Assalaamo Alaikum”? Where you cannot call a mosque a mosque? Where you are forbidden from saying Allah’s name in prayer? Where you fear death if Mullahs find out who you are? Yes indeed, who wouldn’t call this a comfortable life.

    The Lahore attacks are only one among the many…Pakistani soil drips with blood of Ahmadis.Recommend

  • Farah Akhtar
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:05AM

    I agree with Iffat Raheem and Tabrez Durrani. The writer is a bit too harsh and some of the facts are being twisted just for the sake of argument.

    Certainly, the killing and any social or criminal injustice towards any part of the community (including Ahmadis) is condemnable. However, if we call ourselves an Islamic state, we must also accept the principles. An Islamic state SHOULD and MUST protect the rights of all minority non-Muslim sectors BUT it is not an atrocity to declare one community a minority on the basis that they dont conform to the basic definition of being “Muslims”. Also, I dont think that Ahmadis are generally discriminated against. They have all right to profess their religion and profess it openly, get education, jobs, run businesses… anything whatsoever that’s a ‘right’ for a minority.

    Muslims suffer from poverty just as much as Christians and Hindus. We dont raise our voice against killing of a whole sector of our population by our own army and drone attacks and justify it. I must ask how that silence is different from the silence against Ahmadis? It is fashionable to call anyone who wears a turban one of “taliban” and anyone who has a beard a “Mullah”. I’d say poor Muslims are actually under more persecution from the media and our “enlightened” educated youth than Ahmadis, may be. So, if we want to be right, we must bring justice to ALL.

    Killing and any injustice towards Ahmadis is just as condemnable as against any other part of the society. Please dont use it to get an applause for your lopsided ideals! Thanks.Recommend

  • love4all
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:05AM

    I agree with alot of things he mentioned, knowingly or unknowingly he left out some very important issues. The atrocities that Ahmadis face in Pakistan, the inhumane and sense less laws that were imposed because of the personal interests and political hopes of the rulers. These same rulers planned what they were capable of but forgot that Allah is the better planner of all. Lets talk common sense now and get rid of these Mullah element and the unjust laws in the constitution.
    Thanks for speaking your heart out though.Recommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:25AM

    Dear All, 1st of all let me remind you in 2009 3,300 Pakistani deid in Terrorist attack, none of us find such kind of “huge coverage” on those…

    fasi, i just want to ask a simple question, if i start to use your id, and start publishing articles on your name than what you will do????
    You will treat me as a human being like others???? Recommend

  • Rehman Khilji
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:52AM

    The queries and reservations of the author are well replied by some above. The primary issue is that the Ahmadi’s should first consider them selves as a non-Muslim minority. As for the other sect’s, at least they don’t have disagreement over the fundamental principles of Islam. How can one be treated a Muslim when the same have different and questionable believes regarding the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
    Then again it’s on record that their leaders consider the rest as Infidel’s, why should we treat them otherwise.
    As for Christians and Hindus that is a separate debate. And it should not be mixed with Ahmadi’s. Recommend

  • Bilal Tahir
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:56AM

    Dear Fasi,
    Its awesome. Your point is eye opening, but there is yet an other thing. There is no country where jubilation for any sect is a crime. But in Pakistan the case is so. We Ahmedies were beaten and put to jails by the government machinery just for enjoying on our centenary celebrations. We were prohibited to wear the T.Shirts with the happy centenary message, No fancy lights were allowed on our houses and even the Law-enforcement agencies were appointed in front of our sweet shops so that we cant buy sweets and distribute them. Why is it so when no Ahmedie has ever been accused of any crime against the state. On the contrary we had been among the builders of the Nation.
    Any ways Thank You Very Much for raising such a voice. May Allah give you prosparity in your life.Recommend

  • Soumya
    Jun 17, 2010 - 9:03AM

    Great Article ….
    and mentioning again and again about Pakistani hindu and christian, upsets me a bit. I have seen Pakistani’s condemning conditions of Indian muslims on baseless grounds I know that problem exists but its not as bad as how your country is doing….
    <3 PakistanRecommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 17, 2010 - 9:13AM

    Excellent and very bold article. May Allah enable others to also act on the teachings of Islam that if you cannot correct a wrong with your hands and words, at least consider it wrong in your hearts, and that is the weakest form of belief. Ahmadis were declared non muslims by the state in 1974, since then Pakistan has never seen peace. A wise man said it is no longer a democracy when rights of the minorities are violated. Probably that is why Pakistan is cursed and has never seen anything other than Army or elected dictatorship. Today Pakistan is the 5th most unstable country in the world – try giving a thought towards ‘why’ and what will be the consequences, how will this affect our next generations, Pakistan and Pakistanis are slowly being alienated in the world. Sanity must prevail somewhere.

    To Ms. Iffat Rahim: yes Ahmadis, living in other countries, have performed Hajj and Umra and continue to do so. My friend performed Hajj in 2009. My father went for Umra a few years ago, the author is absolutely correct. He is not being a “knee-jerk reactionary” but you are showing your bias. A spade is a spade – you can call it by any name – it will always be used to haul garbage out.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Jun 17, 2010 - 9:41AM

    here’s a question, why are we discussing faith here? why not ethnics? what happened to the Bangladeshis? they were Pakistanis too and most of them were Sunnis and Shias that everyone believe are Muslim. why did they get shafted every other day till they split.

    These are hate crimes that are being committed. hate crimes are at the end of the day crimes.

    and if we are talking about crime, pal, take a good hard look around.

    and pls lets not try to equate Ahmadis to Palestinians. Ahmadis are more like a cult, much like the Church of Scientology. Recommend

  • Shaista Hussain
    Jun 17, 2010 - 10:02AM

    By the far the best article i have read on the issue. Puts our head to shame as the article really hits home. Well done Fasi.Recommend

  • Yahya
    Jun 17, 2010 - 10:06AM

    Great article dude. I hope we can get more people on justice’s side in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 11:36AM

    These attacks have been considered in the most terrible ones. It’s time we should call for the rights of our Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters.
    I know Ahmadis; they are very peaceful people and good Muslims.
    Above all, they do believe in Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as a last Prophet.
    I wish those people would stop spreading misconception regarding them.
    I have so much to say and prove.
    I know 2 Ahmadi Muslims and and i have myself researched a lot.
    They are Muslims.I think we should stop calling their Mosques as Worship places. Those killed are called ‘Martyred’.I won’t deny the truth even if someone Punishes me for that.Atleast according to me,they are Muslims and should be called Muslims.Never think that my those 2 Ahmadi friends made me change my thoughts,no,it’s my own research.I feel sorry for what many of our great Sunni and Shia scholars have mentioned about them.I wonder where does PEMRA go at that time?
    God bless Pakistan.Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 11:38AM

    Fasih it’s an excellent analysis.
    Peter Chamberlin, my friend (http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/) says the dilemma with us Pakistanis is that we in Pakistani society are highly prone to a syndrome called “hate” . Here every body hates somebody. Sunnis hate the Shias and the vice versa, Deobandis vs. Barelvis, Muslims vs. minorities, Christians, Hindus Sikhs and Ahmadis alike.

    The differences between these sects and beliefs always existed in Muslims particularly so amongst the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent. They were, however, muted. Till the Qaid lived, this muted stream of sectarian, class and intra-religious beliefs couldn’t get a tongue. However, after the Qaid passed, the political bunch we have had [from time to time] was neither capable nor had the perceptions to run a state which was carved in the name of religion but which according to its Qaid had to be run not as a theological but as a modern progressive nation of Muslims and non Muslims alike.
    The Qaid had his own vision of Pakistan and this Pakistan did not question Sir Zafar-ullah Khan for his Ahmadiat, who made a tremendous contribution to the cause of Pakistan. He was the man who effectively presented the case of Kashmir in the UN. So forceful was he in presenting the case that even the greatest of Indian orator and shrewd statesman could not equal him in logical persuasions. He was the man who pivotally played the role to get the 1948 resolutions passed by the UN Security Council on holding a free, fair and impartial plebiscite in Occupied Kashmir.

    Unfortunately our masses have been so much corrupted by propagandists of the ultra religious elements that most of us are not even ready to listen to an opposite view point. I even have the personal experience of a very sincere, old friend whom when I told while in a discussion that our bias against the Ahmadis is highly unjustified and through such biases we are creating not patriotic but indifferent and reserved Pakistanis, which frustrates the very idea of Pakistaniat amongst us Pakistanis.
    His reply was “Nayyar, you think like Ahmadis and am afraid you might not turn a “Mirzai”. Unfortunately the biases of such ultra Islamists of Sunni sect are not the only advocates or promoters of hate. Even our Shia friends would not think the Sunnis as Muslims and again I quote; from my personal experience, a very good Shia friend of mine has a charming, young lad, his son, once while talking to me in a highly loving yet a respectable tone, said Uncle you are so sweet, why don’t you become a “Muslim”. Obviously the young lad was referring to us the Sunnis as non Muslims. So this is why my friend Peter is forced to say, here in Pakistan everybody hates some one.
    Until and unless we do not do away with our religion of hate [though we claim ourselves Muslims, yet unfortunately we have forgotten the very message of Islam [which stands for peace love and understanding], we would never be able to come out of this quagmire we have voluntarily thrown ourselves into.

    Nayyar Hashmey
    http://wondersofpakistan.wordpress.com/Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 12:10PM

    @ Farah Akhtar, Iffat Raheem and Tabrez Durrani,
    Saying that Ahmadis are enjoying all sort of freedom in Pakistan is against the facts. From my personal knowledge and experience again, I can quote many instances where an Ahmadi was just denied promotion or given a job merely because his superior was an ultra Islamist Sunni.

    There have been many instances also where Ahmadi properties were burnt, looted and Ahmadis persecuted just because of their being Ahmadis.

    Then to say that a country has every right to declare someone as Muslim or non Muslim is similar to sending Pakistan, our beloved country into the days of “Divine right of Kings” and to the times when Christian priests used to issue certificates of going into paradise by charging them hefty sums of money, higher the money better the place in heavens. Fortunately the Christian Europe shed of its prejudices and follies years ago and unfortunately we in Pakistan are clinging to the same divine right of the state, the kings and the Mullahs to declare a Pakistani a Muslim or a non Muslim.

    Nayyar Hashmey
    http://wondersofpakistan.wodpress.com/Recommend

  • shamakh akhtar
    Jun 17, 2010 - 12:23PM

    Great article.Recommend

  • Atiya
    Jun 17, 2010 - 2:16PM

    Excellent article. The part where you wrote that “Why don’t the Muslims wear special collars to identify themselves?” I had the chilling image of when the Jews had to wear the Star of David on their arms to identify themselves. Are we going to regress again? Recommend

  • mariam
    Jun 17, 2010 - 2:56PM

    to tell you the truth i’m glad someone is speaking out… in todays age and time its hard to believe that taking a life can be so easy. Although i am a proud pakistani it is only in Australia that i can call myself a proud Muslim. It is my wish to live to see Pakistan as a successful and peaceful country.. and i believe people like you are a ray of hope.
    We need to go back and look at our leader our founder Muhammad Ali Jennah. and ponder on the greatness and finesse of his words it is what we need today and dearly..
    “… If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, … is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. …we must learn a lesson from this [our past experience]. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state … we are starting in the days when there is no discrimination between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste, or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State…. I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.”
    – Mohammad Ali Jinnah- Founder of Pakistan

    – P.s- There will never be a man like Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we should at least follow what he said. Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 4:09PM

    You’ve exposed the hypocricy of our fanatics bare naked!Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 4:44PM

    Whatever, no religion allows blood shed of any kind… Does one have a permission from God to kill Ahmadis or non-Muslims? Among Muslims, we have classes of freethinkers, atheists, communists and agnostics. Do we kill them all? Recommend

  • Bilal
    Jun 17, 2010 - 5:08PM

    Please dont blend this terrorism act with the convenctional terrorism becasue in this country people are free to announce openly in the roads that , Ahmadis are LIABLE TO DEATH , (WAJIB UL QATAL) ,look at this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhu4haPx5PA&feature=player_embedded

    so the last act is an episode of ongoing hate movement against Ahmadis .Ahmadiyya persecution in Pakistan is systematic and having a sort of “Legal” impression , there are discriminatory Laws against this specific community in this country !

    Infact Pakistan is totally hijacked by these Mullahs who are historically proved anti Pakistan, they will not leave any body now , this is what Justice Munir told in his 1953 Lahore disturbance inquiry report , that this society will become like a hostile .Recommend

  • Jun 17, 2010 - 5:22PM

    @ Shabir Ahmad and the rest ,
    And why is that whenever you people are asked about your faiths and beliefs, you always back off or never ready for a debate?

    As a Muslim, I believe in peace and that every non-muslim or minorities should have the right to live and pray freely in this country. But on the same note, being a “Muslim”, I believe that according to Islam some people do not deserve the right for it. Recommend

  • nobody's hero
    Jun 17, 2010 - 5:42PM

    Glad to see that the voice of reason is still alive in there and even more so when a brave soul such as yourself takes the initiative to speak out against the masses. All in all, an eye-opening article that I hope will hit home and make for renewed efforts in pressuring governments to do what they should and stop catering to those in whose minds would be anything but thoughts of peace and betterment. I hope that someday soon your mindset will take root in the high places that desperately need it today..Recommend

  • Bilal
    Jun 17, 2010 - 5:55PM

    This is the MAHZAR NAMA , which is presented to the members of , National Assembly that time ,but nothing of the matters of difference discussed there , and not event the Finality of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) !

    http://69.73.181.192/archive/mehzarnama/index.htmlRecommend

  • Jay B
    Jun 17, 2010 - 6:01PM

    Fasi, bravo on the article.

    Moving on, our nation’s collective biggest fault, of which i am also a victim is that we are ignorant. We reach conclusions without consulting the parties concerned. We state our own views brazenly without finding out whether they are based in fact or fiction. I am a non-Ahmadi and my best friend is an Ahmadi. For 5 long years i have asked him to explain what he believes in again and again and again. How humiliating it must be for him every time i’ve asked him to justify his beliefs.

    The sad part is that even when we are offering condolences to the aggrieved persons, we inadvertently end up discussing their religion and their beliefs. Pray tell me, when a person says the Kalima-e-Tayyaba, he becomes a Muslim. Why then do we keep going after the Ahmedis when they say it? And how shallow does one sound when one says that they say the Kalima but don’t believe in it? Why would they even bother saying it if they didn’t believe in it my mind wonders. Aren’t there better issues to be discussed? What about illiteracy, ignorance, lawlessness? Aren’t these bigger issues than our constant infatuation with Ahmedis and their beliefs?Recommend

  • Khan Bahadur Ghaffar Ali
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:08PM

    Islam is in shambles. Sunni dominated countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia where Mullahs controls the country and laws are passed against Ahmadis; not only they are doomed but also sooner or later all these countries would have laws against all minorities. Moreover the security of all citizens will be in danger because there would be lawlessness all over specially if future demands of Mullahs were not met. Currently any one can accuse to anyone else as a sympathizer or having soft corner for Ahmadis and every one will jump on that person and probably he would be killed first and people would l ask questions later.Recommend

  • Ex
    Jun 17, 2010 - 8:40PM

    Why are you talking about the differences in beliefs and not about the oppression and pain the Ahmadi community has suffered?Recommend

  • Amtul
    Jun 17, 2010 - 9:42PM

    Hi
    Very nice article really appreciated
    Well one thing I don’t understand that muslims believe in a religion that
    does not force people into believing something that they don’t want to believe
    so why is the government of pakistan which is a muslim state giving the title to people
    that you are muslim and you are not and muslim do follow the teaching of Mohammed (saws)
    why don’t they follow this teaching that everybody has a right to their religion why do you judge
    people do you consider your self perfect if you do I would like to see the evidence far as I can see
    not human being is perfect what right do you have to announce one person as muslim and another as
    no-muslim that is just twisting the facts and being wrong towards people can you look inside peoples heart.
    To tell wether they are muslim or not
    Thanks Recommend

  • Farhat
    Jun 17, 2010 - 11:42PM

    Some commentators here are denouncing the act of May 28th 2010, as unjust and horrific but in the same breath are quick to follow with statements like … this does not mean we can give Ahmadis any rights because after all we the Muslims don’t believe them to be Muslims. The question that Mr Fasi has so eloquently addressed is that no matter what you think of them, do they not have any human rights to life, liberty and speech. These are basic human rights that Islam fosters, and are upheld by all civilized nations. Do you allow them to pray as they wish, gather as they wish and present their point of view?

    I found amusing the comment by Humza Baloch..
    ” fasi, i just want to ask a simple question, if i start to use your id, and start publishing articles on your name than what you will do????
    You will treat me as a human being like others????”

    This comment demonstrates the mind-set of some Pakistani Muslims who thinks they have a monopoly on religion. On top of it he is asking shall I treat all others as humans?? If Mr Baloch is really the sole custodian of the faith, and YOU have stolen his ID…. then let me take a guess at what I think people with this mind-set will do to YOU in that case. They will prevent you from explaining yourself. They will put up banners all over the city telling the world that their ID has been stolen and it is the only authentic one and the so called imposters should be killed by anyone, and will ultimately kill you, without you ever being given a chance to explain. And maybe at the end of the day you just have the same ID… Think about it….Recommend

  • Malik Khan
    Jun 18, 2010 - 12:45AM

    for those who thought that is the same terrorism as on other sects.. just check dis out and decide
    [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhu4haPx5PA&feature=player_embedded]
    but any how salam to courage of writer…Recommend

  • Malik Umer Hayat Chheena
    Jun 18, 2010 - 3:11AM

    Hi all, i read this article many times since it is online, as i cannot have paper publication in Europe. I have commented many times on event of Lahore at various pages of this site.
    1 Denounce the killings of Ahmedi People and their IBADAT GAH, there is no ambiguity here.
    2 Matter of their concept of Islam, and denouncing Ahmedis as Muslims, i am not the one to decided to kill them. But being a Muslim i never challenge Islam (Quran and Hadith). Many people have sent links in comments and that are one sided picture (Ahmedi Point of View). I am not with any sect of Islam (or any Religio-Political Party in Pakistan) , yet here i give a link to study the whole picture before declaration of Ahmedis as non Muslim
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9743588/qadyani-masla
    people may read the back ground. It might be commented by people that it is Jama’at e Islami version, but when each is considering to ponder the Ahmedi view point then it too might be considered.
    3 I am personally hands up in presence of QURAN and SUNNAH (Quran aur Hadith).
    4 Please please it is requested that try not to make it simple attack on Ahmedis, it is attack on Pakistan.
    5 I am not one to declare the fate of people, it is Allah Almighty, His Book the Quran and Hadith. Nothing else.

    Note for the Indians commented about live and let live,
    It is our personal and internal matter, and you people speak of live and let live, but you too are in the same in not allowing people letting live. Recommend

  • Tariq
    Jun 18, 2010 - 3:26AM

    Fasi Bhai:
    Asalamo alaykum,

    I can go to prison for saying that in Pakistan because I am an Ahmadi Muslim. Allah says that you cant be thankful to Him if you are not thankful to His people. JazakAllah and thanks for writing an excellent article. I appreciate your courage. May Allah be with you always, AMEEN!!!!

    Wasalam,
    Tariq Recommend

  • Shoaib Shakir
    Jun 18, 2010 - 7:54AM

    According to my opinion we should think and fear about our duties.Attacks were made on an innocent people but our religious and political leaders are still talking their declaring about their believes.
    1-I’m very proud of their reaction that We leave this matter on Allah.I think all proclaimers of religious and political parties never showed such reaction.We should think and try it.
    2-I think this is also unique in our history that attackers were caught by the community.Thank God
    And thanks to writer of this column May Allah keep you under His protection.Recommend

  • Tippu
    Jun 18, 2010 - 10:13AM

    Well said Fasi. There needs to be a full reappraisal of our laws.

    @Farah Akhtar
    Many moronic leaders of the various islamic sects in pakistan consider each other “kafir”. To follow this logic of declaring ahmadis kafirs to its logical conclusion would mean that all mulsim sects should be declared kafir because someone or the other considers them so.

    The beauty of islam is not in how the majority is treated, but in how those who may not agree with the majority are be respected and treated equally. We need to recapture this beauty from the preachers of hatred.Recommend

  • Harisah Mehmood
    Jun 18, 2010 - 12:22PM

    Brilliant job Fasi! What Muslims today need is probably a push to go back to the very basic teachings of Islam. Is a true Muslim not suppose to be the model of righteousness and Justice? Muslims in their times of rule were known for their justice which earned winning of hearts and as a result brought massive influx of people under the flag of Holy Prophet PBUH. This is how you define Muslims and that’s how Muslims have been. Contrarily today we have “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” with the least realization of basic human rights, what a paradox!

    I have non-muslim friends here in west and they tend to show way more respect and admiration toward who I am and what my religion is than most Pakistanis do. What I can see quite apparently is the fulfillment of Holy Prophet SAW’s hadith that the sun will rise from West. Today many non-Muslims portray behaviors that testimony them of being more enlightened than Muslims. High time to ponder!

    P.S. When The Moors Ruled In Europe is a great documentary by an honest English Historian Bettany Hughes, a reminder to who Muslims have been and what glories they were blessed with. Recommend

  • Ali
    Jun 18, 2010 - 2:16PM

    Hiba Saeed! very well commented.

    Well on humanitarian grounds, Yes the act is condemnable. But it doesn’t mean our ahmedi friends started to justify that they are like other muslims and blah blah. Even if we admit that the declaration of Ahmedi being non-muslim was a political one that time, but it is not the case as such now.
    Whenever their beliefs are presented to ulema ikraam from even differing school of thought and countries, they unanimously declare these beliefs as infidels. I am not a typical stereo type but again one should review things in retrospect and do not base ur opinion on mere self understanding or feeling.
    i once again reiterate, i fully condemn killing of Ahmedis. Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Jun 18, 2010 - 2:19PM

    http://www.ahmadiyya.us/
    Pakistan has 4 million Ahmadis[62] and is the only state to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims;[60] here their freedom of religion has been curtailed by a series of ordinances, acts and constitutional amendments. In 1974 Pakistan’s parliament adopted a law declaring Ahmadis to be non-Muslims;[63] the country’s constitution was amended to define a Muslim “as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad”.[43] In 1984 General Zia-ul-Haq, the then military ruler of Pakistan, issued Ordinance XX.[64] The ordinance, which was supposed to prevent “anti-Islamic activities”, forbids Ahmadis to call themselves Muslim or to “pose as Muslims”. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques.[65] Ahmadis in Pakistan are also barred by law from worshipping in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer rooms, performing the Muslim call to prayer, using the traditional Islamic greeting in public, publicly quoting from the Quran, preaching in public, seeking converts, or producing, publishing, and disseminating their religious materials. These acts are punishable by imprisonment of up to three years.[19] In applying for a passport or a national ID card, all Pakistanis are required to sign an oath declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be an impostor prophet and all Ahmadis to be non-Muslims.[66] Because of being an Ahmadi, the word “Muslim” was erased from the gravestone of the Nobel prize winning theoretical physicist Abdus Salam.Recommend

  • PJ
    Jun 18, 2010 - 2:43PM

    You;re awesome Michael MooreRecommend

  • Jawaid Iqbal
    Jun 18, 2010 - 5:58PM

    Bravo. It is the nice article. I would like to mention that besides minorities in Pakistan, Shia Muslims, are being on the main traget of these terrorists.Recommend

  • Faisal Memon
    Jun 19, 2010 - 12:10AM

    It is sad that ahmedi responses have used the word ‘maulvi’ in a derogatory manner as ‘mullahs’, not to mention the adjectives that preceed! It is because ahmedis think we consider them non-muslims because of some screwed up logic being fed to us by the ‘mullahs’. Perhaps this is what they are told.

    The exclusion of ahmedis as non-muslims is unanimous decision of learned Islamic scholars around the world ( and not your ‘neighbourhood mullahs’ )after thorough research of Mirza Sahib’s writings. The fact that no other muslim sect has been declared so unanimously reflects the extremely divergent views of the Ahmadiyyah community that places them out of Islamic bounds.

    Further if the exclusion of ahmedis as non-muslims is so concerning, it should be known that Mirza Sahib declared ( and ahmedis believe) non-ahmedis to be non-muslims. I quote from an ahmedi source, from the book ‘the truth about the split’:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
    (pg.70&71 by acrobat count and 56&57 by book count)

    “Alleged Innovations –

    These changes, according to Maulawi Muhammad Ali, relate to three matters;
    (1)….
    (2)……
    (3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his (Mirza Sahib’s) Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiaha (Mirza Sahib).

    That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I (the 2nd ahmedi caliph) readily admit ”

    It is clear beyond any iota of doubt that one who does not belief in Prophethood of Mr.Mirza is a non-muslim.

    I don’t see how we could be discriminating against ahmedis when they declared us non-muslims categorically some 80 years before the parliament resolution declaring them so! We’ve been a bit late I suppose!

    Further, it seems Fasi Zaka has penned the article in a haste, without researching into ahmedi beliefs or verifying the mentioned facts. Various mistakes have been pointed out by responders which do not reflect positively on the reputation of Mr.Fasi. Further, corrections of fact should be made in the article itself rather than the comments that follow, which serve no purpose (as not everyone reads them!).

    I suggest Fasi should research into ahmedi beliefs to realize the gravity of the problem and how ahmedis ‘Impersonating’ muslims and preaching under the facade of Islam poses a grave threat considering the illiteracy of muslim masses.

    Much more can be said but time does not permit me to do so.

    The attacks are condemnable and they deserve their rights but they should realize their responsibilities too, but lets keep it at that. Period.Recommend

  • Faisal Memon
    Jun 19, 2010 - 1:30AM

    In skimming through various comments, I noticed that most innocent ahmedis are unaware of their own religious scriptures, including writings of Mirza Sahib and the following caliphs.

    It is their ignorance that prompted ahmedi leadership to publish a leaflet titled ‘ aik khalati ka izala’ (A misconception removed) in which ahmedis were rebuked for their ignorance of the fact that Mirza Sahib claimed to be a non-law bearing Prophet.

    I quote from an Ahmedi source:

    “As for ourselves,we believe in the prophethood of the Promised
    Messiahas in the same sense in which he himself
    claimed the title. In the notice named Eik Ghalati Ka
    Izala published by the Promised Messiahas, he says,
    ‘In all my writings wherein I have denied being a
    Nabi or a Rasul, I have done in the sense that I have
    not brought any new book, nor was I a new
    substantive Prophet. Nevertheless, as I had received
    spiritual blessing from my leader the Holy Prophetsa
    and been given his name, and been gifted by God with
    knowledge of future events. I was indeed a Rasul and
    Nabi though without a new law. I have never denied
    being a Nabi of the latter kind, and since it was in this
    sense that I was called a Nabi and Rasul by God, I do
    not even now deny being called Nabi and Rasul in
    such a sense’.”

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf
    page 43 of book by acrobat count & 3o by book count

    As is evident the writing is deliberately confusing, as is the case with all ahmedi writings for evident reasons.

    Bottomline : he claimed to be a Prophet, no matter of whatever type (law bearing or non-law bearing) and that makes him an impostor.

    It is incomprehensible how he claimed to be a non-law bearing prophet (not that it matters, for reasons aforementioned) while also claiming to have received revelations which a non-law bearing Prophet would not. If he wasn’t supposed to bring a ‘new law’ what about the dozen or so books he’s written prescribing new heavenly laws?

    My response was necessary, although seemingly out of context, to correct misstatements of facts published by some respondents.Recommend

  • Taha khan
    Jun 19, 2010 - 6:47AM

    well! i donot think what M.R FASI had sid is true.Ahmeddis are considered non-muslims in pakistan bcz constitution of 1973 says that.Prophet Muhammad{S.A.W} said that no one will come after him as prophet ,there were impostor prophets after him desmise and there amoung most famous is Ghulam ahmed.Qadiani’s are considered non-muslims because they have gone contrary to one of the basic teachings of islam i.e believe in Muhammad (S.A.W)as last prophet.ghulam ahmed himself said that he is self planted plant of british and said that the peace that is under british govt is more than that in makkah(naouzubillah).And where this thing is considered why shia’s and borhi’s are not considered non-muslims, their teachings donot go contrary to basic teachings of Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W).Recommend

  • Sadia Ali
    Jun 19, 2010 - 9:09AM

    Great article. I agree with u FasiRecommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Jun 19, 2010 - 12:42PM

    Faisal Memon

    good reseach bro… keep it up.

    few people are ignorance and few peopel still want to remain ignorant.Recommend

  • Jun 19, 2010 - 12:47PM

    May Allah hearts be opened to understand and accept true peaceful Islam Ahmadiyyat. Ameen.
    Love for All, Hatred for None.
    God is Love, God is peace
    Love can never beget Hatred
    and peace can never lead to war.Recommend

  • Zeeshan Azam
    Jun 19, 2010 - 1:12PM

    Who’s next is my question.Recommend

  • Zara Akhtar
    Jun 19, 2010 - 5:14PM

    Ahmadis have been declared “minority” by the constitution of Pakistan and as a result they should be treated as other minorities present in the country!Recommend

  • Nusrat Pasha
    Jun 19, 2010 - 8:35PM

    There are some very pertinent questions that need to be examined before indulging in any meaningful debate regarding Ahmadis. Let’s examine these questions one by one:

    Q#1: Is it even hypothetically, within the scope of a congregation of mortals to judge who is truly a Muslim and who is not?

    A#1: No. It is not.

    Q#2: By definition, who is a “Muslim” and how does the founder of Islam address this question?

    A#2: On the occasion of the first census of Madina, the question of how to determine who a Muslim was, came up. The Prophet replied, “Write down for me the names of all those who call themselves “Muslim”. The Holy Prophet defined the term “Muslim” also in these words: “He who prays as we do, and adopts our qibla as his and partakes of animals sacrificed by us, he indeed is a Muslim, guaranteed by Allah and His Messenger.[Ref: Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim].

    Q#3: Do Ahmadis call themselves Muslim?

    A#3: Yes, they do.

    Q#4: (a) Do Ahmadis offer the five-time prayers in precisely the same way as determined by the Quran and Sunnah? (b) Do Ahmadis take the Kaaba in Makkah as their qibla while praying? (c) Do Ahmadis partake of animals slaughtered by Muslims?

    A#4: The answer to subquestions (a), (b) and (c) is “Yes”.

    Q#5: What is the kalima of the Ahmadis?

    A#5: “Laa ilaaha illallahu Muhammadur rasoolullah”.

    Q#6: In a single sentence, what is the primary doctrinal difference between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis?

    A#6: Ahmadis believe that the prophecy made by the Holy Prophet regarding the advent of the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, has been fullfilled in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (1835 – 1908). Non-Ahmadis believe that this prophecy still awaits fullfillment.Recommend

  • HAKEEM JAMIL RABWAH
    Jun 19, 2010 - 10:49PM

    Thanks For Honest.I am thank,s Fasi Zaka for his well written article.Recommend

  • Ansa
    Jun 20, 2010 - 6:04AM

    @Iffat Rahim — Actually Ahmadis with citizenship of other countries, even if they’re born in Pakistan, DO go to Hajj. But yes it is dangerous because if they somehow track the records and find out this person is Ahmadi, they are sent to jail/killed. However, Ahmadis, not only with a Pakistani background, all over the world go for Hajj because they don’t have the kind of passports created in ignorance in Pakistan that states the person is a Non-Muslim.

    This article is a great article and sheds light on one of the biggest inhumanities Pakistan allows to happen.
    Fasi Zaka, people like you give me hope!Recommend

  • chicken-salad
    Jun 20, 2010 - 6:24AM

    Well done Mr. Shafi … Buhat aala boy!!!Recommend

  • Jun 20, 2010 - 6:25AM

    First thanks to Fasi Zaka at least having courage to write on this hot issue. I also would like to add that it is so unfortunate that certain channels in Pakistan are vocally and openly expressing wrong and concocted views about Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. It is so unfortunate that Kamran Shahid of Express News even plainly refused after contacting Ahmadis that he would like to get their view point as well,giving flimsy excuse that PEMRA has issued order that no Ahmadiyya point of view should be broadcasted. When contacted PEMRA General Manager Nasir Ayaz he disputed this claim. I personally believe that PEMRA may not have issued such notification however, the bigotry by Express News and their anchor persons Kamran Shahid and Mubashr Lucman for not inviting Ahmadis to express their view point is tentamount to support extremism and extremist views. Luckily Ahmadiyya Muslim Community publishes all their material at their official website http://www.alislam.org
    Otherwise these extremist Mullahs have gone to extent to change their own Islamic beliefs of the second coming of Messiah just like Jews did at the time of First Messiah Jesus peace be on him. Again kudos to Fasi that he has courage to speak up. God bless you!Recommend

  • ali jivan
    Jun 20, 2010 - 7:09AM

    i dont think any of the above pakistanis r serious about solving their problems ..first u classify u r self as ultra -consevatives n moderates n liberals ..wat baloney is this u have no ultraconservatives just people who follow the wahabi r najdi school of thought who r committing these crimes…when an ideology cannot stand upto reason it uses conspiracy theories n force just brutal force..u flks need to get out of a state of denial n agree tht as long as u have the dar-ul-uloom deoband churning out extremists ..ths nation is a doomed stateRecommend

  • Usama Waheed
    Jun 20, 2010 - 8:11AM

    Fasi Bhai thanks a lot for the sympathy you showed towards us. because media really don’t care about us. some people like you and Mubashar Lucman care for us so we are really greatful.
    Regards Recommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 20, 2010 - 5:17PM

    Some people have suggested that if Ahmadis cannot live by the laws of the state then they should leave the country. But a more appropriate question to them is that if another country of the world decides to declare its Muslim residents as non muslims, because all they see originating from Islamic countries is life of absolute contradiction to Islamic teachings (Muslims wine and dine, they lie, they are corrupt, they have no respect for others rights and sentiments, they kill and maim a fellow living being, etc. etc.) would they then be fair in doing so – because the precedence exists that a state can decide religion for its citizens?Recommend

  • Nusrat Pasha
    Jun 20, 2010 - 10:13PM

    If the Pakistan Army can boast about a general who fought on the frontline, alongside the soldiers and sustained serious battle wounds – they have Major General Nasir Chaudhry.

    If the Pakistan Army can boast about their one and only general who laid down his life in actual combat – they have Major General Iftikhar Janjua.

    Both were Ahmadis.Recommend

  • Arif
    Jun 21, 2010 - 3:14PM

    Religion belongs to Men not to Soil, Land, State. A state, of course, have no religion.So called mullah has made it(Islam) their bread earning way instaed of representing Islam’s true beauty. They are a symbol of horror,terror,all evil deeds.
    ArifRecommend

  • Nash
    Jun 21, 2010 - 7:33PM

    Asalam Alaikum,
    i am so glad that as a convert to islam, Allah’s Grace directed me to Ahmaddiyat after reading some of the 170 comments above. Mr Ahmad seriously needs to look beyond his propogated outlook in order to get balanced perspective on how the world will be viewing the inactions of the Pakistani government, the bigoted views above and the decency of the response from the Pakistani Ahmadis. You just have to read the words of Iffat Rahim who himself appears to be the “knee jerk reactionary”.
    Non Ahmadis must seriously examine their stance on what is happening in Pakistan as they are equally accountable for injustices of the state. Remember your justifications for allowing such attrocities toi carry on are the same justifications that are used by any bigoted, prejudiced, racist community anywhere in the world and yet we muslims are to be the best of mankind!!
    i say well done Mr Fasi Zaka for being human and being closer to God for highlighting eloquently the plight of the oppressed.

    Wassalam Recommend

  • farhan
    Jun 21, 2010 - 8:02PM

    Very well said, Fasi.
    Whatever your belief is, if you are Pakistani, you are our brother and our sister.
    Say no to hatred culture!Recommend

  • Ray
    Jun 21, 2010 - 10:05PM

    I agree the last thing this country needs is another sub group who is highly educated and organized to hate us.
    It is inhumane the way we treat Ahmadi ‘s in Pakistan. It is about time that our do nothing legislatures and impotent leaders take out that crappy language out of the passports and everywhere else.
    Ahmadi ‘s has contributed a lot to development of Pakistan and they are model citizens in every country they live in and despite coming from backward classes they always rise to the top.
    I am surprised why Canada has not offered citizenship as it did for Agha Khani ‘s when they were thrown out of Uganda.Recommend

  • zahid sheikh
    Jun 22, 2010 - 3:11AM

    Fasi Zaka! You are really great. Iffat Rahim’s pun has in fact added salt to the already smarting wound of the prejudiced. Just yesterday I heard someone saying that The Express Tribune hasn’t actually taken off. What a shallow comment. This august newspaper is really ahead of the pack. It has in reality done with ease what others have been able to do but halfheartedly i.e. to speak the truth. Listening to your Honoured Editor Ziauddin in a CNBC TV show about Shaheed Benazir arguing with a Mullah on abolishing even the Islamic parts of the amendments in the Constitution was just inspiring. Those having reservations about Ahmadis have in actuality been jolted by Fasih Zaka but not the likes of Yankees and Akmals.Recommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 22, 2010 - 6:27AM

    I have a question for Mr. Faisal Memon and the like minded people, can someone explain to me what will be the status of Hadhrat Masih (Jesus) (Allah’s blessings on him) as is awaited by non-ahmadi muslims at the time of his second advent? Will he not be a nabi who will come after Prophet Mohammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah on him) or Na-Azoobillah Min zalik he will be demoted from that status. Secondly, according to the laws of Pakistan even if he came he will be outcasted from Islam as the laws of Pakistan declare such a person to be an impostor and hence deserving of death? I would like someone to please explain this to me.Recommend

  • Umair bin Mansoor
    Jun 22, 2010 - 2:14PM

    I think we all believe in Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So, let us start reading it now and pray that Allah put us all on the right path. As for the writer, I would say that he is oblivious totally devoid of what Allah has mentioned in Quran.Recommend

  • Kashif
    Jun 22, 2010 - 4:07PM

    @ Farah Akhtar, Iffat Raheem, Tabrez Durrani, Faisal Memon and the likes of you guys…..

    I would recommend you to watch the video on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X01htQUvKcQ&feature=player_embedded where Mullahs are calling each other (apart from Ahmadis) as Kafirs, Wajibul Qatl and much more. These things incite nothing but hatred and result in riots and killings in the name of religion.

    I think we should stick to the definition of a Muslim given by the Holy Prophet instead of issuing certificates of Mussalmaniyat ourselves based on any other definition.Recommend

  • Narejo
    Jun 22, 2010 - 4:32PM

    Excellent work sir..Recommend

  • Faisal Memon
    Jun 23, 2010 - 7:48PM

    @ Mumtaz Butt
    @ Kashif

    The phrase ‘like-minded’ used by you to categorically define ‘those who politely disagree with your beliefs’ reflects your inherent narrow mindedness and unwillingness to enter into a debate based purely on merits. This should not be a surprise knowing that Mirza Sahib and subsequent ahmedi caliphs consistently declined debate invitations by learned Muslim scholars. One more fact i guess of which your unaware!

    It seems from the comments above that innocent mislead ahmedis are grossly unaware of the writings of Mirza Sahib and continue to claim belief in the finality of Prophethood, when infact Mirza Sahib has himself presented a totally distorted and opposite view of the matter (refer to my comment above).

    As regard the return of Hadrat Issa(AS), both Mumtaz and Kashif have relied on what ahmedi preachers tell them about ‘us’ and then present it as an argument, rather than doing some research on actual muslim beliefs.

    Let it be known that

    Blockquote

    HADRAT ISSA(AS) WILL RETURN AS A NORMAL HUMAN BEING FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD(AS) AND WILL NOT BE A PROPHET IN ANY CAPACITY.

    Blockquote

    Further my comments above are supported by ahmedi sources alone, and I suggest you read your own books thoroughly rather than quoting your beliefs incorrectly. (@Nusrat Pasha: read my comments above)Recommend

  • Irfan
    Jun 24, 2010 - 12:00AM

    @Iffat Rahim….Pakistani Ahmedies and all those ahmedies who do not have their religion written as ahmadi on passports are not allowed to go for Hajj but from other countries where the religion is not written can go…i fail to understand how the writer has managed to mix facts with fiction… And secondly would you really call someone’s sympathy from the heart a knee jerk reaction and a fabrication. And also calling someone’s sympathy as crap and twisted is very sad indeed.
    @Yankee: it is true and very sad what you have said that many sects and minorities have been attacked. Extremists will not stop unless their brand is imposed on everyone but the case of ahmadies is slightly different as their persecution has been made legal through bigoted laws set in the constitution and their throats have been clamped down. Others such as deobandies and shia can have large annual conferences but every year ahmadies take permission and it always no one ever pays attention to this. Also many murders of ahmadies have occurred since 1954 but they usually go unnoticed as well.
    Hope i’ve removed a few misconcenceptions.Recommend

  • Jun 24, 2010 - 12:25AM

    There’s nothing left to say. You’ve summed up my feelings on everything! I agree 110%.Recommend

  • Mumtaz Butt
    Jun 24, 2010 - 7:36AM

    @Faisal Sb: Jazak’Allah for your very enlightened opinion and you call us narrow minded. You have quoted a source that you believe as correct, however, you have not answered my question – what will be the status of Hadhrat Isaa (as) when he returns. If he is going to return as a ‘normal person’ then he would be stripped of prophethood, how unfortunate – he must have done something to offend Allah to be demoted. But then why do we need him? Don’t we have enough normal human beings as Islamic scholars to carry that burden for Islam unless you don’t consider them normal? Please open your mind, the prophecy of Hadhrat Mohammad (saw) is that of a nabi because Islam and Muslims would have reached the same state as the people of Prophet Moses (as) did when Hadhrat Isaa (as) came as a deliverer to those people. A nabi is needed to bring Islam back to its original form, without bringing any change to or any new shariat – this deed cannot be carried out by a normal human being. I would suggest you discuss this matter with your local maulvi sahib that you can trust and talk to. Good LuckRecommend

  • MNA
    Jun 24, 2010 - 1:51PM

    A good article which has also received an excellent response. This is to clarify what Iffat Rahim has said about Ahmadies being not allowed from Pakistan while Ahmadies from other countries are. Well it is only in Pakistan that to apply for a Hajj visa you need to sign a lot of forms. In those countries where passports do not have a column for religion no declaration is required. Neither does the Saudi Embassies ask for any such declaration.Recommend

  • Aitch
    Jun 24, 2010 - 5:52PM

    Phenomenal writing power Fasi. But about what you wrote, I’m sure you could write an article as convincing to contradict your point of view. The fact remains, ‘where there is smoke, there must be fire’Recommend

  • Irfan Aarif
    Jun 26, 2010 - 1:29PM

    Faisal memon: Yes the Ahmdies have been declared non-muslims by those scholars who could not agree on the definition to a muslim as stated in the munir report despite clear hadees, which have been stated in earlier comments, and also the same people who did not even bother to disclose the proceedings in the national assembly while this decision was taking place.Once a member of the national assembly was asked why they were not published to expose the falsehoods of the Ahmadiyya muslim community the member laughingly replied because if it were published half of the country would become ahmadies. Secondly if you think we avoid debates look in the book Anjam Atham by the Promised messiah where he has named 50 scholars of the time and challenged them to a mubahila bet you were misinfromed on that despite thorough study of his writings, as you claim.
    Now coming to the quotations i’ll answer the second one first as it is an age old accusation. You fond this confusing because the book from where you quote was meant for those who actually have some background knowledge of this issue. We believe the Promised messiah as a prophet in the sense the Holy prophet(SAW) stated 4 times and that is nabiAllah Isaa (Sahih muslim baab zikar Dajjal). In another hadees in the Mishkat (don’t know the exact wordings) the coming Messiah has been called an ummati. In accordance with these ahadith we believe him to have attained this station by complete obedience to the Holyprophet(SAW) hence the reason the HolyProphet(SAW) is Khatamunnabiyyin and his teachings are complete. Khatam meaning not the last but a seal as that is on an envelope. read next comment…Recommend

  • Mehmood
    Jun 26, 2010 - 3:24PM

    Fasi you have deboloped a good art of writting with time and Mashallah your fame is devoloping day by day.

    I appreciate your concern for minorities rights but also highligh the fact that the said Community is doing so much to make our muslims Mrtaid by offering them money and immigration. Many yahud and Nasara groups sponsor these groups and they never leave any chance to create bloodshed of our Society. Who can forget the shahdat of Many great great muslim scholars like Molana Nizamud din Shamzai and other.

    This communty has alot of powefull links in the worlds super powers and also in Pakistani top Buriocracy. Who can forget state within state at chanbnagar.

    MehmoodRecommend

  • Touseef Ahmad
    Jun 28, 2010 - 6:18AM

    Very well said Fasi Zaka… At least you have the courage to speak the truth… Recommend

  • ahmed
    Jun 30, 2010 - 1:28AM

    truely saidRecommend

  • Muzaffar Ahmad
    Jul 1, 2010 - 11:46PM

    The comment from Mr. Ahmad was a balanced one highlighting the weaker points in the article. The article wasn’t bad either, just shows a little ignorance which we all have when we talk about someone; we never put our feet inside their shoes.Recommend

  • Reader
    Jul 6, 2010 - 1:48PM

    so Ahmedis dont get passports or what?Recommend

  • Dr. Fakhr-ul-Islam
    Jul 6, 2010 - 3:09PM

    I think Fasih wrote this article in total disregard for Pakistani Constitution. I advise him not to confuse the issue with Talibanization. It is purely legal and constitutional issue. Additionally, Qadianis are citizens of this country, they should not be subjected to persecution(If any)Recommend

  • Sharmeen
    Jul 8, 2010 - 9:05AM

    @ Shahid and others- Someone has mentioned before but again I would like to clarify that your comment ‘Ahmadis think that “RABWA” is the holiest place on earth’ is absolutely incorrect! Rabwa has no profound religious meaning for ahmadis. We ahmadis believe in/follow the five pillars of Islam including Hajj (that is if we are not stopped by oppressive rules of a country such as Pakistan).

    I read these comments and mostly feel glad that people are speaking up for humanity at least, but still see a lot of misconceptions that tell me there’s still far to go! Please I request you all to not believe whatever anyone tells you about the Ahmadiyya faith, but verify for yourself so you do not dwell on suspicions and rumours. You may contact a local Ahmadi mosque and someone will be able to answer your questions InshAllah.

    And lastly, if you really have the guts:)…pray to Allah to know the truth or do an istikhara as he is All-Knowing.i would end this with the Ahmadiyya motto: Love for all, hatred for none! (Exactly the message our Perfect Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) practised when he treated the people of other faiths, race, country etc with utmost mercy and kindness).

    Jazakamullah!
    An Ahmadi MuslimRecommend

  • Doll
    Jul 10, 2010 - 9:32AM

    @ FASI

    Please write a new column!!!! Recommend

  • USMAn
    Jul 12, 2010 - 3:50PM

    for better and true information visit
    http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.orgRecommend

  • Talha
    Jul 21, 2010 - 1:57AM

    Awesome article, we need a few more people like you in our society! Recommend

  • Kashif
    Aug 15, 2010 - 3:39AM

    I think the writer has used more emotions than facts in describing the situaution, It would be much better if he could be more realistic and unbiased in wriiting on thes touchy topics Recommend

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