George ka khuda hafiz — II

Published: March 2, 2011
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From the moment I arrived in Pakistan nine years ago, the omnipotence of the military apparatus was self-evident. Yet, as I leave, it’s apparent it will be this institution, more than any other, that will be the catalyst of this country’s eventual downfall. As Pervez Hoodbhoy recently pointed out, rather than acting as a factor for détente in the region, our acquiring the nuclear bomb in 1998 exacerbated our military arrogance. Kargil, the attack on India’s Parliament and, more recently, Mumbai have all occurred since we got the bomb — attacks that couldn’t have been carried out without some military/intelligence involvement.

And yet, ironically, the military’s regional self-importance belies our chronic servitude to the US. In addition to being the largest landowner in Pakistan, the Pakistani Army is the world’s largest mercenary army. Look at the media storm created over the Kerry-Lugar Bill for it’s supposed slight to Pakistani sovereignty. Yet it is the army’s reliance on US military aid that has made Pakistan a client state of the US. This inherent contradiction is not disseminated in the media. Instead, the established narrative for our acquiescence to the US is laid firmly at the weakness of our political class. As if it was the politicians — and not the military leadership — who somehow control Pakistan’s foreign policy.

Of course the military/religious right in Pakistan use their proxies in the media to blame the Hindus, Americans and Jews for all our sins. But those sins are mostly ours. Atiqa Odho, a friend, and someone who truly wants the best for Pakistan, sent me a text message after the detention by India customs of singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan. “Rahat Ali Khan is not a criminal, he has become a victim of corrupt trade practices in India that have singled him out to target the soft image of Pakistan… Let’s not treat a music icon who has million of fans over the world as a common criminal.” The text had it all: hyper-patriotism, paranoia, absolution of responsibility, and a shot of snobbery. Why shouldn’t he be treated as a common criminal if he was avoiding tax? The attack on the Sri Lanka cricket team wasn’t a foreign hand. It was a Pakistani hand. Salman Butt, Mohammed Asif and Mohammed Amir were not brought down by some covert Anglo/India plot, but by their own avarice. They cheated.

But the right’s hyper-nationalism is perhaps more tolerable than the liberal elite’s disengagement and insouciance. Like the right, the liberal elite believe all Pakistan’s woes belong to others. But rather than the Hindu/US/Zionist paranoia of the right, the liberals put the blame on the mullahs, the masses, the uneducated and the unwashed — anyone, but themselves. We — and I include myself here, as this was my social milieu for the past nine years — are unaware of our own hypocrisy.

My friends will condemn the cricketers, but not the society that actively encourages these lower middle-class boys to cheat. But why would they? Their families have gorged and benefitted from this society. Recently, at a coffee shop, I overheard a society Begum, decked out in designer clothes and glasses, bemoan the cricketing scandal. Her ire was primarily directed at the boys for bringing Pakistan’s ‘good’ name into disrepute — not the cheating itself. She then harked back to a time when the Pakistan cricket team spoke English well, as if good English equalled with moral rectitude. But does she question how her husband makes his money? For every Rs100 collected by the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) in taxes, it misses another Rs79 due to tax evasion. The FBR estimates that the total revenue lost by the government as a result of tax evasion comes out to Rs1.27 trillion for this fiscal year and is equal to eight per cent of the GDP. According to the FBR, over 70 per cent of all taxes evaded are corporate income taxes. What’s the difference between Salman Butt screwing his country for money and the rest of us?

But the liberal elite is a misnomer. We aren’t really liberal. We want the liberal values of free speech and rule of law, without wanting to instil the economic and democratic mechanisms to ensure them. We espouse liberalism but don’t practice the egalitarian values — distribution of power and wealth — that underpin liberalism.

But then, the English liberal ‘elite’ has abdicated all responsibility to govern in the past 60 years. Despite enjoying unprecedented levels of wealth and education, we no longer believe it is our duty as the best educated and most privileged in society to contribute to its development. The English language has created a linguistic Berlin Wall between us and the rest of the country. We remain cosseted inside our bubble. Instead, we have ceded political space to a reactionary, conservative, military, feudal and religious nexus. Tolerating this because, in turn, they have left us alone. They have allowed us freedoms that the rest of the country doesn’t have.Freedom to get obscenely wealthy. Freedom to party at Rs10,000-a-ticket balls. Freedom to dress how we like. But these freedoms come at a price. A Faustian pact has been signed.

Even Pakistan’s intellectual elite has largely abandoned its responsibility. An ideological vacuum occurred after 1971, when the ‘idea of Pakistan’ and the two-state solution failed. What filled the vacuum over the succeeding decades have been a variety of parties with their own vested self-interests — Ziaul Haq, Islamists, the Saudis and the US — trying to enforce their own idea of Pakistan. Today, our intellectual elite are too compromised — suckling on the teat of donor money, scholarships and exchange programmes — to challenge the US narrative.

Unfortunately, no one is immune to the ills that this country subjects its citizens to. I have changed. Slowly, my values and morals have corroded. But I don’t want that for my one-year-old boy, Faiz. I want him to grow up in a society where guns are not an everyday occurrence and his parents can openly hold hands.

After Salmaan Taseer’s assassination, my mother-in-law — a hardworking, decent school principal, who was born in Bombay and had grown up in Dhaka before migrating to Pakistan — called me up. She had seen three of her children leave Pakistan during the past 20 years. My wife was the last one remaining. As she spoke, she sounded defeated: “George, just jao. Jao”. So now I am going. Khuda hafiz, Pakistan.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 3rd, 2011.

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  • Paras Vikmani
    Mar 2, 2011 - 10:53PM

    i dont know who r u but plzz dont leave pakistanRecommend

  • Mar 2, 2011 - 11:02PM

    That was music to my ears. Thank you for saying it as it is.

    Too bad that most people will skip over all the valid points, and run rampant on your criticism of the Army. Actually, not the Army, the Army itself is made up of a majority of non-commissioned officers, junior officers. Its the chaps at the top that believe that they are better than everyone else, and think that they are beyond account.

    A country of rampant exploiters and tax dodgers talks about sovereignty, and in the next sentence adds how America is unfair not to give us more aid, free trade agreements, nuclear power agreements, difficult visas etc etc.

    Best wishes too you! Hopefully, one day in the not too distant future, things will turn out for the better and you will write how things didnt descend to as low a point that you thought it would do. Recommend

  • Noor
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:06PM

    You came because your wife asked you to. You are going because your mother-in-law asked you to.

    Not Pakistan’s, it’s George Ka Khuda Hafiz :-)Recommend

  • AA
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:06PM

    George, don’t just leave without providing “your” solutions. You owe this much to Pakistan, otherwise, you could have left 8 years ago and it would have been the same thing as leaving today.Recommend

  • Bilal
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:06PM

    The first piece was beautifully written, this second one seems rather convoluted.

    I agree with most things you say here, but this piece failed to make an impact.Recommend

  • Noor
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:07PM

    You came to Pakistan because your wife asked you to. You are leaving Pakistan because your mother-in-law asked you to.

    It’s not Pakistan’s, it’s George Ka Khuda Hafiz :-)Recommend

  • Leo
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:08PM

    Honestly george ur good man. You managed to stay in pak for 9 yrs, dats a long time. I know my brit paki friends here in UK, cant even stand 9 days of karachis hot weather!!I wish u all the best!take it easy.Recommend

  • Tariq
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:14PM

    George! I agree to all what you write. It gives me a lot to think and ponder. But I never expected that you will give up so early. Unfortunately it is the sad part of story. Recommend

  • Salman Arshad
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:17PM

    Preventing your son from acquiring a loose moral character is a nobler cause than patriotism.
    You’ve made the right decision. If at all, only Army personnel and their families have a future in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Mar 2, 2011 - 11:28PM

    What a coincidence that Bhatti was assassinated today – sweet timing in a tragic sort of way. What frustrates me is the questions that are asked after a crime such as this one and the onus on the Ulema to solve the problems. That was the tone of one of the talk shows on television. How can the Ulema solve a problem that they have every reason to nurture? It seems like the moderates are waiting for a miracle. Recommend

  • Little hope left
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:29PM

    This article, coming just hours after Bhatti’s assassination, has reduced me to tears. What a sad, sad state of affairs we have been reduced to. Recommend

  • Osama Rao
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:30PM

    Sad But True. Goodbye George!Recommend

  • anyonymous
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:33PM

    I am sorry for george. whatever he has written reflects a bitter reality. extremists, liberal-extremists, socially active and motivated ignorants, religious ignorants, etc. they all constitute pakistan now. we need a change. really.Recommend

  • Saad Duraiz
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:41PM

    George the difference between you and us is that we were born on this soil and unlike you, to this soil we will return. This country was never yours to start with and never will be. I wish you the best in health and life. Farewell! Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:47PM

    Stop acting and just go already. Pakistan army zindabadRecommend

  • liberal fascist
    Mar 2, 2011 - 11:56PM

    i wish i could be like you. trying out countries and identities and religions for a change, on a trial and error basis and then leave the place i suddenly start to call home and move to another place saying the country which you hypocritically call urs, has become unbearable to live. u owe ur identity to pakistan. in these highly emotional write ups at least u should have mentioned this thing once that ur identity on a pakistani and global level is because of pakistan otherwise in britain what were u? who were you? u want tp go, just go and go now. do not stay! hear that? dont stay at all but do not throw trash on us. u have been british and christian, u can make comparisons between faiths and nationalities. we have lived all our lives here and we have no choice but to stay and in whatever minuscule proportions do it, but try to make some difference to the society. and one last thing, u are not leaving, u r fleeing. Recommend

  • Waqas Ahmed
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:04AM

    I didn’t like ur unfair criticism on Pak army as if it is the army solely responsible for our ills in fact it is the same ruling elite that has failed us.Recommend

  • Shami delost
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:05AM

    George tell you something you leaving because you giveup from whatever happening around but my friend there is something you can make a big difference than anyone else… The whole pakistan loves you and listen to you why dont you come with a better project like george ka pakistan.. You should educate the people and tell them whats right n whats wrong.. But i know you cant do that because you are a common man not a revolutionary but somewhere i believe you can make a big difference… You should fight for a goodness… All you can do is to make your life Beautiful by going back.. Or make other life beautiful by hitting them through your msgs.. Choice is urz.. Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 12:05AM

    George, trust me. We’ve seen terrorism, target killings, corrupt politicians, literally everything and the funny part is we’ve survived it. I guess we’re strong enough to face anything at all now. I see Pakistan as a country of opportunities. We Pakistanis are so “Jugaari” that if we even focus on one right thing we’ll make millions out of it but the sad part is we’re not focused right. We don’t take advantage of what we really possess. I don’t only hope my country gets better, I make little efforts too and most of the time the only one to put them down are my own closed ones, but I won’t stop.

    Plus Media should improve itself now I guess, It shows what it is paid for and it doesn’t show what it is paid for even more.

    Peace

    Salman ParekhRecommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 12:11AM

    This is the END of all hopes. Period
    Liberals of Pakistan are systematically being eliminated one by one. No one would have courage to stand up for the oppressed now.
    Those who would dare to do that, will be eliminated by the extremists.
    I am sure ,if caught, the killers of Bhatti will also be showered upon with rose petals by the so called civil society of Pakistan.
    I am more concerned about the response of Pakistan’s so called civil society. It has been most shocking with most of them hailing the killers as heroes.
    :-(Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 12:11AM

    The assassination of Minority Affairs Minister of Pakistan Shahbaz Bhatti followed by the assassination of another moderate leader Salman Tasir will prove to be the last nail in the coffin of LIBERAL Pakistan.Recommend

  • Atif
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:37AM

    British!Recommend

  • Syed
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:41AM

    Will miss you in Pak George!Recommend

  • Haris Chaudhry
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:47AM

    George, Thanks for taking the punt to call this nation home, albeit for a brief while. We are an ideologically confused and now a blood thirsty people and nation. Yes, we do see conspiracies everywhere but fail to see our own evil deeds, out looting and raping the nation, our hypocritical and two faced policies and our knee jerk blaming to all for our misfortunes except self.
    I am surprised at how our generals and powers that be in our establishment cant see us marching like zombies towards the edge of the cliff. They are meant to be more ‘strategic’ than the rest of the ruling class including all pollies. Yet they are the ones that are not blinking twice pushing their mad agenda on supporting the taliban and their ilk and its murderous cousins in various shapes and forms towards their own nation. They are the one that paddle conspiracy theories and myths about the ‘foreign hand’ but dont feel any shame receiving billions in loans and military aid from those ‘foreign hand’ nations.
    Pakistan is well on its way to implosion. The ‘ghiarat brigade’ wont have it any other way. They would rather die and take its 180 million odd with them than act wisely and have wisdom.
    Pkaistan is doomed.
    Good luck in your new home.
    Haris ChaudhryRecommend

  • SK Ayubi
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:52AM

    All people of ethnic minority backgrounds are now in danger and should leave if they can. George, you made the right decision. You’re too good for Pakistan.

    I agree with much, if not all of your sentiments. I went through the same process myself; being once in love with Pakistan as a UK born British-Pakistani, I thoroughly looked forward to seeing my family and grandparents every other year. Loved the music, the language, the culture, almost everything about the place. But I was young then, and perhaps not as perceptive as I am now. Innocent, like you were when you entered the place.

    But now, it honestly shames me to admit that I’m Pakistani. Being slighly lighter skinned and having stubborn hair, thankfully many think I’m Arab. And on that topic, as embarassing as recent history has been for them, at least the Arabs are rising up; at least they’re booting their dictators out and can finally be proud of themselves again. Pakistanis on the other hand are eating themselves up. Corruption is rampant in every level of society, it’s something you don’t question. A younger cousin of mine who studies in the UK recently had an International Driving liscence made in Islamabad… whilst sitting in London. He laughed; I felt like crying. Coincidently, he, like so many other of my Pakistani friends, is convinced that the country can do no wrong; that everything is just a big fat conspiracy; that our cricketers didn’t cheat, that there’s nothing wrong with a little corruption, that India and Israel are behind everything, that we don’t have extremists; rather, it’s all MOSAD, RAW and the CIA trying to destabilise an otherwise amazing country. He also tried defending Mumtaz Qadri and I walked out of the room. He frustrates me immensely.

    The only politician in the country who brings a smile out in me is Imran Khan; I feel he should pack his bags and leave too. His idealism, unfalterring commitment and incorruptibility often breaks my heart; he needs to realise that he will never get anywhere in the failed state that is Pakistan. Any nation that can elect a leader like Zardari, a glorified bank robber, and stick with him for three years, is quite frankly damned.

    Forgive me people if any of you have been upset by any of my generalisations. Everything just seems so wrong right now. Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:54AM

    George, you are spot on your analysis on all ills facing Pakistan. You have rightly concluded that number one institution will be totally responsible for eventual downfall of the country as and when it occurs. This institution is functioning with its blinkers on and spending billions of dollars in enhancing its nuclear capability and purchasing armaments to match with India not realising that India’s focus is against China’s threat perception and not Pakistan. Thus billions have been spent on this wasteful expenditure which could have been utilised to improve its failing economy. Training and supporting several militant organisations against neighboring countries has been favourite pastime of intelligence agencies a ploy, which has backfired and hit Pakistan itself but this policy of self destruction has still not been abondoned. You have rightly pointed out that the terror organisation like LeT have grown so strong that military is reluctant to take them on and preserving them for India. Operations conducted against TTP have been partially successful as this outfit can still strike at will, killing scores of people. As brought out by you that foreign policy is totally controlled by them which is anti India and pro America which gives little leverage of reconcilation with the former by the civil govt and the latter dictating terms to do more due to military aid.
    The ruling govt is quite incompetent as well as corrupt and even paralysed due to blasphemy agitations, recent killings and political tussle. So, the decision taken by you to leave your beloved country is correct and timely. Wishing you a peaceful life the foreign country.Recommend

  • saba
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:57AM

    You might have your reasons to leave Pakistan but that would neither harm nor be of any good to my country. Nations have difficult phases in their lives and the potential to overcome the current turbulence exists in Pakistan. Lastly, Pakistan Army is not a mercenary army. Wishing you well.Recommend

  • Abbas
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:58AM

    An honest article reflecting reality…some comments that followed proved your point…it’s time to go George…..your one of the few lucky ones to figure it out..btw whats with the “intellectual elite” buzz word….how are these people defined “intellectual” and “elite” ….they should be labeled rich scum bags! ….it took you 9 years to realize it ?..jeeez….anyways..have fun..enjoy your kid and live life !!!

    Once again…thanks for the reality check!..excellent article!Recommend

  • Anyonymous
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:07AM

    @Roflcopter:
    Don’t be so hasty. A few good and honest people in pakistan like him might be the only thing saving us from Allah’s warth.Recommend

  • Freeha Shaukat
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:13AM

    Dear George, Part I of this article just annoyed me, but part II in the chilling backdrop of Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti’s murder is haunting. Many people would focus on the fact that you are not originally from here. So what, you speak the truth. I can understand your need to leave. Maybe you will continue to write home truths, but none of what you say is a secret and many other brilliant Pakistani’s have been saying exactly what you are saying for a long, long time. It is a bit condescending to act like you’re the very first or only person to state the obvious.

    Nobody should outsource responsibility, and self critique and radical reform is the need for every thriving nation. But don’t feel too sorry for us. I was born in the UK to where I assume you return. Your other home England is not exactly the purest place on earth either. The smooth and evil machinations simply happen on a much higher and sophisticated level. Some of the BS here was not exactly helped by the great Raj. You just have more access to a higher strata of society here, because people welcomed you and shared private thoughts with you which you then share in public columns.

    Hang out with the good ole govt in England, the poodles of the USA, the celebrities, the White Anglo Saxon Protestants and you may find shades of grey there too. Corruption in the UK government is much more dangerous, because of its influence upon the world. It would have been great if your simple and obvious observations, already made by many, were teamed with solutions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqeMYjbNkaE

    Much of the world is going to Hell in a handcart. We need solutions along with critique, bailing in tough times is very understandable, but then don’t profess true love. You could have announced a separation, but you declared divorce, and we all know what to say to parting lovers, who leave with words of scorn when we may already be down. Let’s hope its an amicable divorce, the civilized kind where one hopes the best for all.

    Oh dear we Pakistanis are so against the West, why can’t we just get over the daily Muslim Genocide thing, very begrudging of us… don’t mention the War!Recommend

  • faraz
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:14AM

    The liberals or moderates cant challenge the mullah-military alliance. Where governors and ministers get shot down in broad day light in the capital of the country for opposing a man-made law, and where killers are hailed as heros of islam, then what can an average citizen do besides commenting on blogs sitting safely behind laptops.Recommend

  • behram khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:27AM

    george, i really felt happy when u came to Pakistan and managed to lived here for so long. but you actually dont have the slightest idea of what Pakistan has gone through. blaming Pakistan army!?!? pfff. we hav been at war just after this country came into existence and even today. u said there was no foreign hand in the attack on the sri lankan team!?!? dude how the hell do u know?? if u know there wasnt any foreign hand involved then please enlighten us who was responsible!! we, the people of Pakistan hav gone through all the tough times and are still ready to face them HAPPILY. and no words frm a brit who managed to liv hear for 9 god forsaken years can make any difference. this article is ur perspective, which has an equal chance of being bollocks. u lived in Pakistan, good for you, ur going, good for u. taking out your anger by blaming Pakistan army is gonna do jack!! farewell (sorry, cant call u my friend)Recommend

  • Zubair Khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:30AM

    @Waqas Ahmed:
    Thats your opinion, but i firmly believe that the Army has had a major part to play in causing havoc in our society. Yes, a lot of Pakistani soldiers have, and will continue, to die protecting our “freedoms” and for that i will always be thankful to them, but it would also be naive to say that they haven’t been the single biggest cause of our instability, from ISI’s “government within the government” to our Generals who have repeatedly sold us for their mere personal gains! Our ill-fated foreign policy, the main reason for our economic instability, the same foreign policy which dictates our defense strategies, our exports, even how the world portrays us, IS NOT conjured in the Presidency or the Parliament as its supposed to be, but in the barracks of the GHQ. Until we rid ourselves of these Generals, who think themselves God’s gift to Pakistan and consider it their God given right to impose their ideals upon us (Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf!), we will never ever be truly free! Recommend

  • abdul
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:30AM

    stop acting and just go already. Pakistan army zindabad i m agree with Mr Roflcopte.Recommend

  • Zubair Khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:34AM

    @Freeha Shaukat:

    Ever thought about writing a blog yourself? i would subscribe in an instant. Great observations and so true!!! Well done!Recommend

  • Syed Bilal Haider
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:48AM

    George, I appreciate the sentiment, I appreciate your thoughts on Pakistan. I agree some of the blame lies on the Pakistan Army. However, if you lie all the blame on the Pakistani Army, and nothing on anyone else, you are sadly mistaken. There are many “vested interests” in Pakistan as well, coupled with Pakistan’s own internal chaos. The Pakistani Army and the Intelligence are Pakistan’s best bet for survival, the politicians are absolutely useless. You forget the strategic and geopolitical challenges Pakistan faces in its neighborhood. America, Afghanistan and the Pakistani Army are responsible for the horrific situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan today. Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 1:48AM

    george may have omitted the fact that some liberals are social liberals and not necessarily fiscal/economic liberals.

    you can have liberal ideas about free speech and social values while being a fiscal conservative who does not believe in the redistribution of wealth.

    the problem with pakistan is two-fold. one is that religion is poisoning us. the other is that the two-nation theory does not work.Recommend

  • Syed Bilal Haider
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:52AM

    I appreciate the viewpoints of people like you, Najam Sethi, Pervez Hoodbhoy; as well as the people from the extreme right, the ultraconservative. But by criticizing the army, you are looking through their rose tinted glasses and ignoring the realities of the country. I can talk about this in great depth. I can talk to you on the failures and successes of the Pakistan Army, but I can only talk about the failures of the Elite ruling parties and politicians. They need to get their act together and do something to protect Pakistan, something the Pakistan Army has done in the past and will continue to do so.Recommend

  • Shams Hasan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:03AM

    George, please tell me one thing: do you honestly think you would have the name recognition and have earned the respect of millions of Pakistanis if you chose to live in the UK and not come to Pakistan? Honestly, you are sounding like a coward and opportunistic. Everything was good with Pakistan when life for you was cushy, now that times are tough you are bailing out? Come on, George. You blame the Pakistanis (army, bureaucrats, politicians) for the ills that afflict Pakistan. How about blaming your own countrymen for the truncated country theyforced down our throat? How about blaming your government and your master, the US govt, for the guns, drugs, violence, afghan refugees, talibanisation, etc.? I agree that we cannot blame the West and other countries for all our problems, but would you at least acknowledge the major devastation caused by the West through their Afghan misadventure from the 80’s to now? Would you at least show the courage to blame your British govt and other western nations for being responsible for the mess we are in? Taali dono haath say bujti hai. We do have corrupt leaders, civil and military, But, when they accept commission from large Western multi-nationals, are not those corporations also guilty of being corrupt, of bribing? When there is violence in Pakistan or in any third world country, who supplies them with weapons? George, please go back to where you came from – of course, there is no corruption from where you came, right? There is no state-sponsored terrorism, like renditions and other violence, in which the UK govt or European nations are involved in, right? George, if you have to go, go. But at least show the decency of being a gracious guest to a generous host that showered you with love and affection.Recommend

  • Sarah
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:07AM

    It doesn’t fail to surprise me that a lot of people here are offended by the reality check. May be that’s just because it is coming from somebody not born in this country but nevertheless it’s still true!
    Majority of us are still in the country coz we don’t have a choice. Most of us would have already left if our visas were not denied by the American or British embassy. George you are taking a good step coz Faiz like every child deserves the best.
    To all those who say that we have survived through everything, well that’s bull…The current situation of the country can hardly be refered to as survival…we are at the verge of death; the country is sadly taking its last breaths. We are NOT living through it HAPPILY…We are MOURNING… there’s only so much we can tolerate. Yes may be people who are dumb and blind can face this happily. We don’t to find old examples. Just reflect on what happened this morning. Take a look at the assassination of Mr. Shahbaz Bhatti and then talk about survival.
    Good bye George…I’ll miss you…best of luck for your future!!Recommend

  • pl/sql
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:27AM

    Pakistanis will go back to their lives changing nothing.
    They don’t like facts especially when what you say is NOT against hindus or Indians.
    Good on you George. Escape before some explosion takes you.Recommend

  • saeed ahmad
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:29AM

    George, Understand your sentiment…!
    Just do us a favor please…. As you go, if you somewhere bump into this guy Obama, request him to get outa this region [alongwith his NATO, CIA etc etc] and allow us Pakistanis to live in peace.

    Regards….Recommend

  • rukhsana jabeen
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:42AM

    every nation have there good and bad but this does not mean that one should leave.lets join hands for peace.Recommend

  • Uzair Javaid
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:57AM

    George explored Pakistan but somehow i feel his perceptions of extremism across Pakistan and ex-Pakistan are based on facts divulged by papers and sources like Guardian, Newyork times, Washington Post etc. I wonder why he dint wrote anything that he came across people who are like millions in Pakistan convinced on the fact that terrorism in Pakistan prevails because of CIA’s interests. I dint see him write that Pakistan is being put on a simulated ride of terror, horror and blood where the world could be convinced that its not worthy of keeping nuclear arsenal and thus should be snatched away. George!! a common kid on streets can give you a comparison of TTP(Pakistani Taliban) and Afghan Talibans and would surely convince you why TTP is american baked. I am very sad to know you are leaving because your mother-in-law asked you to, please ask her from my side cant you or God forbid your child be harmed in England? I have had fights during my stay in england. Why does your mother think that the angel of death cant reach reach England if you are to die. Its a very poor practise these days in Pakistan that our Elders ask us to leave this country for protection and a better future. This country was formed after millions gave up their lives and yet few elders would say leave this country! its their (our elder’s generation) that worked hard to get a country but than failed to invest morality, ethics and honour in the 1st generation of Pakistani children. Pakistan is just in a bad time, but believe you me its scent has the most magnificent power to pull you towards it. I would give every drop of my blood for the well-being of this beautiful land we’d been blessed with. Recommend

  • Riz
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:18AM

    I hate reading about Pakistan in the morning. It ruins rest of my day. I am not in Pakistan anymore but it’s an addiction. I hope my family can live through what is happening there. Most of the liberals in the country would eventually migrate just like Afghanistan. I hope for everyone’s sake that all of this reach it’s conclusion sooner than later. Crazy land and even though I was born and lived there for 24 years, I have started to hate it now. There is not a single thing about Pakistan that has helped me in this struggle of my life outside that crazy bubble. I wish we were rather living as backward indian muslims than be called terrorists.Recommend

  • hope not lost
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:26AM

    All the best with your move.Please keep Pakistan in your prayers.I hope & pray from the depth of my heart, for the day to arrive when Pakistan is blessed with sincere leadership for the country.I hope the day comes when our nation could do justice to Muhammad Ali Jinnah & all the sacrifices made for the independence.(Amin)
    Coming from a family who played an active role & sacrificed large monetary assets & valuables for the love of this land, my heart bleeds to see the country in despair.
    You have a Golden heart & thank you so much for loving this country & holding it dear to you.
    We will always remember you in good words & hopefully & with positive energy we will call you back in a stable land.Recommend

  • QB
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:35AM

    George. You have always come across as a good person. Leave in peace and please come back when we have re-taken our Pakistan and redeemed our misfortunes. InshAllah Pakistan will rise and rise like noone has risen before.Recommend

  • Blithe
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:56AM

    I have read both of your articles with some patience.
    George, I need to help you with your “intellectual honesty”.

    You keep giving references of India in your articles. And you keep quoting M. J. Akbar.

    M. J. Akbar needs to focus more on the plight if Muslims in India and India’s illegal occupation of Kashmir.

    Or perhaps M. J. Akbar is too scared of the Hindutvas too write anythign honest about his own country. Let me help him out by quoting from a recent report:

    Recently, Justice Rajinder Sachar Committee report admitted that 138 Million Muslims across India are severely under-represented in government employment, including Public Sector Units. Ironically, West Bengal, a communist ruled state reported 0 (zero) percent of Muslims in higher positions in its PSUs! It has found that the share of Muslims in government jobs and in the lower judiciary in any state simply does not come anywhere close to their population share. The only place where Muslims can claim a share in proportion to their population is in prison! (Muslims convicts in India is 19.1%, while the number of under trials is 22.5%, which exceed their population ratio) . A note sent on January 9 by the army to the defence ministry in 2004 says that only 29,093 Muslims among a total of 1.1 million personnel — a ratio of 2.6 %, which compares poorly with the Muslims’ 13.8 % share in the Indian population. Officially, Indian Army don’t allow head count based on religion.

    If M. J. Akbar were to report what I have, he would not last a day in India (arundhati roy can get away with it, but just barely).

    And the famous actress Shabana Azmi camplained about Muslims not even being able to buy apartment in Mumbai without discrimation. I would really hate to think about what may happen to M. J . Akbar if he were to be honest about the problems of Muslims in India or even touch upon Kashmir – he would be found hanging from the nearest lamp-pole by a Hindituva mob.

    I know that Pakistan has problems. But we have significnatly less poverty (in percentage and absolute terms) than India; 1/3 of India is under Maoist insurgency ; and there is the greatest male: femal ratio probem in Inida.

    Do you know that India spends more on its defence than our entire budget! Why should we not have nuclear detterence?

    If you want to leave Pakistan, leave. But leave with the right perspective and please don’t throw wild allegations around. Recommend

  • Shahid
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:01AM

    It is high time that anyone living in Pakistan start to make a stand. The successive governments of Pakistan have failed to provide any semblance of law and order, security of life, honour, property. Wouldnt no goevernment is better than this sham of government. Atleast you would be able to defend yourself with what ever your means and not waiting for the so called police / army / what ever. Recommend

  • Haris Masood Zuberi
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:21AM

    A historic narrative George…I’m left speechless by your eloquent and piercing honesty and accurate observation of our hopeless psyche…
    George Ka khuda Hafiz I & II shall remain historic documents on Pakistan’s woes.Recommend

  • Shayaan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:22AM

    @liberal fascist:
    Loved every bit of your comment… totally agree with u!Recommend

  • Shahid
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:22AM

    You are leaving George as this is not your country, despite of all the ills its still our country and we love our country. We know our weaknesses and will contribute little to get rid of these thanks George for leaving as this decision of yours will improve the number of true countrymen. Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 4:42AM

    I thought I would ask you not to leave Pakistan in your part II through my valid points. But today, even I changed my mind.

    Will see you next year in the land of mighty queen hopefully.

    Hope you get to the airport safely George.

    It was nice having you.Recommend

  • Ali Murtaza
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:45AM

    Dear George,
    Great article and wonderful analysis. Your column started with the Love of Pakistan, unfortunately the way this love was no different than others. My question to you ” Will you leave your wife and children when they really need you ??
    Yes I am in Dallas, Texas if that is what you are thinking but reading and seeing all this in Pakistan my love is getting stronger and Inshallah I will be in Pakistan this month. Inshallah we will bring change not for us but for your Faiz and next generation. Just keep us in your blessing. Recommend

  • Sulaiman Malik
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:47AM

    Why would you bash the military before leaving? Did you by any chance get upset for them catching your cousin Raymond Davis? Lots of Westerners are heading out of this country, I wonder if all of them hate Pakistan Army and ISI.

    Whats wrong with what Atiqa Odho said (that too in a private conversation)? Rahat could have been taxed and sent home instead of being jailed for 3 days. So much for Aman ki Asha! The attack on the Sri Lankan team was purely a foreign hand, thats why the Sri Lankans didnt complain, instead treated the bus driver as a hero.

    Take your son to England George, guns are not an everyday occurrence there. They only team up with the US to destroy Iraq on false account of BIG GUNS (WMDs). That and your public bashing of your alleged ex-spouse goes a long way in explaining the corrosion of your values…Recommend

  • Taimur
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:55AM

    Thank you George for stating the obvious, but this is all part of the curse/beauty of Pakistan from it’s onset.Recommend

  • another behram
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:11AM

    the above behram khan is not me. its some other behram khan :p i agree a hundred percent with george and i would say the same to him. JAO aur apne aap ko bachao why shouldnt the military be blamed mr behram khan?Recommend

  • Ahmed Khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:13AM

    Im sorry to say…but there’s a difference between George and a real pakistani….we cant just pack up our bags and leave…..we will live here and die here…when things start to go bad…i don’t start thinking that its time to leave….instead i think how can i make things better…..because i have no choice…..im a pakistani n i’ll never leave pakistan
    u hv been brought up in a different world george….i understand the difficulty in adjusting…Recommend

  • Observer
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:35AM

    George,

    if you had written this two years ago, it would have made me angry, and I would have come up with a laundry list of seemingly solid arguments to refute each and every point that you have made. I have lived outside of Pakistan for my entire adult life, and even though I’ve never been in favor of any of our politicians, military, certainly not the religious fanatics, I’ve always had an idealistic view of our society; I’ve always held the view that if, somehow, the corrupt fringes were expunged, Pakistan would become a great country, economically and socially.

    However, now that idealism is gone; every last bit of it. In every conversation, be it with expats or non-Pakistanis, I vigorously defended Pakistan; now I find myself shying from the topic, trying hard to not be dragged into a debate. We have ceded the last bit of our moral ground.

    What you said about the cricketers is spot on. We, the “educated,” English-speaking elites have been gnawing away at this country and it’s poor people for decades with reckless abandon. We installed the country’s biggest robber as president and cheered in military tyrants…but we’re shocked when a cricketer who was at the time a minor, and surrounded by unscrupulous characters as role-models, and handled by a non-existent administration, decides to have a go.Recommend

  • Annie
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:51AM

    It feels as if I am looking into the mirror. You are showing us the reality of our society which the liberal elite deny. *jadoo ki jhappi aur thook wali pappiRecommend

  • Ahmed
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:58AM

    Seriously, you wanted the whole culture of Pakistan to change for you! Pakistan Army is army of our country, by blaming all the mumbai, parliament you are no different from the conspiracy theorist of the right. Like every other country, Pakistan needs Army, like any other country, Pakistan needs Intelligence agency.
    If we are American Client – then What is Britain? (http://www.sify.com/news/don-t-be-poodle-to-america-british-mps-tell-government-news-international-kd2p4dhdafb.html)

    Britain has sent its soldiers to wards that were not backed by its people – but on the call of US.

    I am not denying that we have issues in fact we have hell loads of them and its our fault if they have not been solved. But getting crappy with all the right vs left wont give Pakistan much. We need patriotism as much as England has. We want Police control as much as London has. We are weak but definitely not fallen. 9 years and you have your verdict- dude go back 109 years and read what British raj brought for this land.

    I hope you have good life- Pakistan has people like Captain Meraj Shaheed and thousand more who are fighting the menace in real terms. Blogs and twitters are useless if they fail to bring people to street. Recommend

  • Mo
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:59AM

    Pakistan Zindabad Recommend

  • Mo
    Mar 3, 2011 - 6:02AM

    Pakistan hamney banaya tha
    Pakistan ham bacheyegey

    Pakistan Zindabad

    the Pakistan Military is no more Dangerous than the Military Industrial Complex in the United States.If you have any solution to pakistan,please put them forward but random criticism of Pakistan Army struggle to appease america and keep the million soliders in India on their side of the border is not easy.Pakistan Army has made mistakes,but none as big as the Iraq WarRecommend

  • SH
    Mar 3, 2011 - 6:20AM

    George… It seems you have turned out to be one of those who have not found the right fit in Pakistan. can you please tell me which is the country in the world which does not have selfish politicians, violence, corruption, and prejudice including Yours. We all know what Pakistan is going through – thanks to Gora Sahib. By the way your depressing talk could inspire some people with lack of breadth of knowledge an outlook- not those who have been through the history. 70% of the nations are still paying for Western adventurism of colonialism..please go to the roots. By the way Pak Army is not mercenaries. You have been my personal favourite though, but you have diappointed. Last but not the least why dont you take your mother in law along – I mean dont you think this place is equally bad for her!!Recommend

  • Tahir Malik
    Mar 3, 2011 - 6:22AM

    Pakistan will rise very soon in leadership of IMRAN KHAN .George, we will then invite you to see new PAKISTAN. Despite of all odds we are still full of HOPE for a real change to make PAKISTAN a peaceful place to live. Bye for now, see you soon. Recommend

  • saad hafeez
    Mar 3, 2011 - 6:22AM

    everyone here speaks of how badly we need changes in pakistan, but changes wont happen if you dont do anything yourself. I feel so helpless sitting here in london!Recommend

  • Zubair Shahab
    Mar 3, 2011 - 6:39AM

    With all due respect George, you have given up, and as a Pakistani, you have no right to. You claim that Pakistan’s intellectual elite have abandoned all responsibility; you ARE that intellectual elite. And you are abandoning your responsibility.

    I applaud you for voicing your concerns openly, but believe that you are committing the same mistakes that you are complaining of.

    Allah Hafiz George, I wish you and your family the best. Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 6:40AM

    see you later then.Recommend

  • a
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:02AM

    consider reprinting the article in urdu and local languages Recommend

  • XX
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:26AM

    Can’t understand why he can’t stop raving on about the army and stuff (“army will bring this country to it’s collapse”??? so who would save it then, ZARDARI??). So weren’t you around during Musharraf’s turnaround of the country’s economy? And as for Mumbai attacks, maybe you haven’t read about Headley being a CIA agent? And the Indian Parliament, those were local Indian Muslims, you know that right? And Kargil — who are we to judge, were we even there? Better hold off on judgement until we actually know all the facts. Maybe not aware much of Indian treatment of Kashmiris? And the Sri Lankan team — why would the army want to attack the Sri Lankan team? And as for the US/Hindu/Zionist conspiracy — what about the potential Middle-East-Pakistan-China oil pipeline, wouldn’t Hindu control of Pakistan or even just Balochistan inhibit that? Isn’t that what the West would want? Why do you think they went into Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place? Secure oil from China and Russia right? So then aren’t the theories of conspiracy against Pakistan viable?
    And I can go on and on. I just can’t understand why you’ve got so much beef against the army. I mean, are you sure YOU’RE not one of the conspirators too??? Sure I have much to be critical about regarding the army as well just like anyone else, but there are a million other things to be critical about here as well, not sure why you’re so singularly obsessed with just the army. Never heard you say anything about the ongoing destruction and collapse of the country under Zardari & Co. Maybe you’d prefer, perhaps, that it be you in control instead of the army? Is that the reason for the enmity?
    Some sanity though when Mr. Fulton talks about the liberal elite and their obscene wealth and absolutely no effort to try to govern and distribute the wealth to fellow human beings. This I tell you and this only is the biggest problem in this country of ours, the selfishness and arrogance of our elite. I never understand, why none of the raving talking-heads ever even dare to bring this up. It took a foreigner to do it my friends, a foreigner from a more sane, egalitarian and just world than ours. Nothing will happen, nothing, until we start treating fellow human beings as human beings, share our wealth and knowledge, actually crave a more equal society, just because we want for others what we want for ourselves, and we let go of the sickening decadence that has pervaded us — otherwise, we are surely doomed.Recommend

  • Hamza
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:29AM

    Where is all this venom coming from? Is it really all our fault that your life didn’t work out here? I don’t know what your expectations were from Pakistan because things were not rosy even 8 yrs back…what brought u here in the first place that u had to leave your home country? The ills you talk about were present even then so whats with the naive gora act? I am the one who is shocked, I think it was all a hoax to hoodwink a nation fascinated with goras, you took all the love, warmth, hospitality and stardom showered upon you and now you slap it all back in our face because this isn’t your cup of tea? Is it because you had a taste for a life of a second class citizen post Raymond Davis? a life that every single Pakistani faces every single day in your home land? Let’s call a spade a spade, your VVIP status just ran it’s course and now ur out. Godspeed.Recommend

  • shahid
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:50AM

    excellent analysis.please stay in touch.we need eye openers like this analysis.Recommend

  • American
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:10AM

    @behram khan:
    And other Pakistanis who differ:
    — Every one can present their version; and if they disagree, you can rebut, point by point.
    But personalizing an argument and asking rhetorical questions, casting aspersions, is the reason why nothing is resolved and no direction emerges after 6 decades and more. Recommend

  • Alnoor
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:12AM

    Well said George.. I wish best of luck to you. This country doesnt deserve you.Recommend

  • Kashif
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:16AM

    George, I really liked your article / letter. And thanks for providing the facts and figures about tax evasion in Pakistan. I give you credit for staying in Pakistan and travelling and experiencing life in Pakistan. Wish you the best.
    Kamran from Toronto. Recommend

  • Hasan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:43AM

    In your nine years you have managed to understand this country more than most of those born here. Do not leave and wash your hands of this sad land. Yours is a story our countryman must continue to hear. Even if they call you a traitor, continue to force them to look inwards , for the inability and unwillingness to do so is what is killing us as a society. As you leave with a heavy heart, remember that you have many who would call you their brothers………brothers like myself who also left with heavy hearts, who shed tears with every new tragedy that befalls our miserable home, and cry ever harder when we note the idiocy of our countrymen’s reaction to these events. We too would rather not have left our homes, but can’t bring ourselves to return either. We live as outsiders in foreign lands for the sake of our children’s futures, watching from afar as our beloved country bleeds slowly to death.Recommend

  • IZ
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:47AM

    Well said. Sorry to see you leave.Recommend

  • Indian433
    Mar 3, 2011 - 8:57AM

    Thanks for ur wonder full article.
    There is a good demand in world for the reporters who worked in pakistan.
    I mean it.Recommend

  • SKChadha
    Mar 3, 2011 - 9:03AM

    Many a commentators here write that despite all ills, Pakistan has survived …??? Friends, it is not the Pakistan which is survived. It is the Eco-system of Indus Valley which has survived. The nation fell apart in two parts in 1971 and both parts survived. God knows tomorrow the western part may also break into pieces and will survive. It is the survival of a nation? This nation which has only one binding force i.e. Islam, is losing its cohesiveness. The parts are falling apart. If that be construed as survival, yes Pakistan has survived and is surviving.

    My parents migrated to India during partition of 1947. They carried with them their human values of the great land of Indus Valley. Similarly, my Muslim brothers who migrated to west with such values have preserved them even in foreign land. Those values of sufi chants, social cohesiveness and family bonds have survived, ironically away from our motherland. However, the same social fabrics of love, affection, tolerance and the spirit of giving more to society then expecting from it, are dying in Pakistan. I would have loved to see George Fulton becoming BBC’s ‘Mark Tully’, ‘Jim Corbett’ or ‘Mother Teresa’ for Pakistan a land to which my ancestry belonged.Recommend

  • Maria
    Mar 3, 2011 - 9:07AM

    I think you really don’t have a fair understanding of Pakistan or the resilience of her people. But then again, I’m sure your Indian born mother in law has her own take on Pakistan. Maybe your British grandparents who took over South Asia and destroyed the existing order when the dominant Muslim peoples ruled the region have their own take on Pakistan too. These views no doubt colour your view. You may have your own views but we Pakistanis are made of pretty strong stuff. Be that as it may, I wish you well in the West. We in Pakistan who love our nation will see her through. Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 9:54AM

    “In addition to being the largest landowner in Pakistan, the Pakistani Army is the world’s largest mercenary army.”
    George, you couldnt have put it more bluntly than this. You missed out few things. They are the biggest terrorist army, biggest land mafia, biggest welfare provider for ex army personnel, biggest business enterprise and biggest nightmare to the neighbours in particular and the world in general.
    US instead of concentrating on Libya and Egypt should take the Pak army to task and free the pakistani public from their army. It will save them not only billions of dollars but also free the world from the terrorist breeding mafia. It will also cut the umbilical chord for the terrorists.Recommend

  • Shahbaz Khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 9:57AM

    The sun rise is The brightest after the darkest night! Worry not, you are more than welcome to revisit when you are ready!Recommend

  • Whats In a Name
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:03AM

    Your mention of Hoodbhoy, only shows your inclination to an ideology that is totally secular. That in its roots denies everything and worships rationality.

    The prime achievement and greatness that Pakistan attained was making a nuclear bomb for itself. And you claim to hold another perspective.

    Remember the day when we Pakistanis pass this exam. You will come running towards it. On that day you will remember this post.Recommend

  • Dr mariam
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:14AM

    Extremely sad to see you leave George. Being a half Pakistani myself I can understand your concerns for the future of your son. He definitely deserves a better future. The option of leaving Pakistan was put to us many many times by our friends, relative and even the Embassy here but this is something that my parents would never go for and nor would I .However I wish you and your family all the best. Allah Nigheban!!Recommend

  • Maqsood Kayani
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:25AM

    George. I vividly remember my family meeting your family at the recent Festival of Writers and Literature at the Carlton Hotel. You remember I told you that we are happy and proud to have you as a Pakistani?
    George, you could have taught us Pakistanis so much. The British sense of jurisprudence, of fair play, cleanliness, the rule of law, the British love of reading books and gaining knowledge, tolerance, traffic sense, everything!
    But you are fleeing! That is sad. Very sad indeed.Recommend

  • myja
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:37AM

    As a father of two I can relate to your feelings and understand what you are going through … definitely its no more a place for kids to raise… but George just remember you are one of the many good things that has happened to this country over the time… the difference between you and us is that you become Pakistani by choice unlike all of us you accepted this country with all its ills while giving up everything that many of us could only dreamt of.. George many of us look upto u as a role model we need someone to show to our kids as a role model and tell them …’look here is a man who came all way long and accepted us while we were going through our tough times if he can look eye ball to eye ball and challenge the status quo why can’t we..’ Answer me what are you going to tell Faiz when he would grow up that his father gave up on his love and walked away like many others…how would he feel than?? Your hero, The Faiz never left this country suffered all the humiliation but nothing could stop him instead it kept him going and today we are proud of him … Send your son to your parents but stay with us to fight our way through this mess making this country a pride land for our kids as well as yours so that when they grow up they can hold their heads high and feel proud of us as fighters and not deserters ..Your strength is your words and your work ..people listen to you with passion its upto you whether your limit yourself to drawing rooms or coffe shops and get frustrated by pseudo Pakistanis or go out into the masses and tell them its Pakistan Ka George Recommend

  • Tariq
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:39AM

    @Salman Arshad:
    I can only regret your naive thoughts. I believe you belong to “haves”, have a good life in this country and detached from reality and find it in order to blame Army for everything. Being realistic, I feel that Army shares some blame but not for all the mess, as it is politicians’ incompetence that gives army the chance to intervene. I dare not call you liberal extremist as your thoughts smack of that mentality. I suggest you read the column of Hassan Nisar which appeared in Jang yesterday. Here is the link to the page for your convenience;
    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2011-daily/02-03-2011/col7.htmRecommend

  • Rahul
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:46AM

    The root cause of Pakistan becoming a failed state is their anti-India obsession. In trying to harm India, Pakistani Army become stronger and stronger. When Army realize that they can’t defeat India in a conventional war they start using the militants to fight against India. But they forget that harboring militants is double edged weapon, the same militants are now challenging the very existence of Pakistan. Even a die hard optimist will find it difficult to see a bright future of Pakistan in present circumstances.Recommend

  • Asim
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:49AM

    Dear George,

    I applaud your first piece, second one is also good, however, with all due consideration to your terms ‘hyper-patriotism and paranoia’ – I feel that you should also consider the odds such as when you make the statement about cricket boys, do you think the Australians, English and Indian dont cheat? They do too, but they dont get caught, why is it that the brunt is always borne by Pakistanis? Secondly, when you make your US comment, do you not think that they have done injustice in Iraq and Afghanistan, do you not anticipate they have the potential to do the same that they are doing through their drone attacks etc?

    I am not being a devil’s advocate but there has to be some semblance to the hyper-patriotism and paranoia that we are suffering from, it is not entirely a creation of our convoluted minds.Recommend

  • Asad Baig
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:08AM

    George,I read both your articles.I agree with most of what you have written though not all of it.I would request you to please write a full article on some positive aspect of your stay here(there must be some positives or the things you liked) in the nine years you lived in Pakistan.This is for people like me,and millions of Pakistanis who still have not lost hope in our beautiful country Pakistan and we hope and pray it can again rise from the ashes.(Ameen).Recommend

  • Khawaja Faraz
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:19AM

    George you never thought of the people living in paksitan you have the prevelige of leaving pakistan ever thought of those who can not?Recommend

  • Jeddy
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:22AM

    This guy used to appear in a show on Geo called ‘George Ka Pakistan’ several years back. His reasons for coming to the country – are visible in this article. He has twisted everything he knows into something rotten. His observations are worthless.Recommend

  • naum
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:36AM

    another piece of criticism without solutions. SO v bade u goodbyeRecommend

  • Miq
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:54AM

    just sad :-)Recommend

  • renoqureshi
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:01PM

    bye george, have a full and happy life.Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 12:11PM

    A friend today gave following comments on George Fulton’s article in daily ‘Express Tribune’ of 1st Mar, 11 titled “George ka khuda hafiz — I”. http://tribune.com.pk/story/125853/george-ka-khuda-hafiz–i/

    “right wing revolution in Pakistan seems likely…moderates on the run or being killed…can it still be averted?”

    Following are my reactions on the issue.

    Right wing can not bring a ‘revolution’ – because revolution means a radical change in prevailing situation.

    Prevailing situation in Pakistan is a combination of Local Capitalist exploitation and Overseas capitalist exploitation (MNC’s, IMF/WB) cum Imposed War OF terror on Pakistani citizens and in our neighborhood (in the form of Imperialism).

    But before going into this, we should first answer this question — How does one define ‘Right Wing’ ?

    If one defines it as the Ruling Class in Marxist terms, then this class has ruled Pakistan since its inception, and continues to do so now also. Hence there is nothing new in it.

    On the other hand, if one defines it as petty bourgeoisie and lumpen proletariat class, then these have been continuously used by the Capitalist Ruling Class, again, since 1947. Even before 1947, Muslim ruling class of Pre-partition India in the form of Salariat and Zamindar (Big Landowners) class used the above two classes in their ‘Pakistan Movement’ by drumming up ‘Anti Hindu bogey’ and frauds like ‘ Islam in danger’, ‘Muslims ho to muslim league may aaoo’ etc etc.

    Since 1947, Pakistani Ruling Class (all educated, ostensibly liberal, conversant in English ) have USED the petty burgeoisie and lumpen proletariat (less educated, main medium of education & communication – Urdu) again and again to preserve and further their hegemoney and exploitation. Take the Objective Resolution, Anti Ahmedi riots in Punjab in early fifties, 1965 sneak attack on India, 1971 war on Bengalis, Military Operations on Baluchis of 1950’s , 1960’s , 1970’s and now going on since 2004 till date, Anti Qadiani laws during Bhutto regime in early 1970’s , Zia regime’s furhter strengthening them and oppressing other minorities through amendments in Blashphemy laws. All along our history, capitalist classes, who have ruled us, have mobilized petty bourgeoisie and lumpen proletariat thru use of religion, Nationalism, fears of the Other etc etc.

    Hence the real enemies of majority toiling classes of Pakistan is the capitalist Ruling class – which changes its colors as the situation suits it – its uses religion when its suits it, it becomes ‘enlightened moderate’ when it suits it, and it can be both at the Same Time. Nowadays also, it takes money from imperialism to form NGOs holding seminars on ‘democracy’ and ‘anti fundamentalism’, thus cleverly trying to deflect attention from the main issues of Local capitalist exploitation and local cum foreign Imperialist war . Another faction of it, takes money from Imperialism and local capitalists to selectively support and use leadership of petty bourgeoise formations like Sipah Sahaba, Jaish e Mohd, Jammat ut dawah etc etc .

    All those striving for substantial change in Pakistan must not lose sight of this fact and we must not let stray events deflect us from the way of bringing ‘real revolution’ i.e a change in the ‘relations of production’ and building a classless society. Only a movement of the exploited Working Class, Oppressed Nationalities and Youth will, in the process and journey of its collective struggle, remove these differences of Sex, Caste, Creed and Ethnicity which the Ruling class is trying to fan and exploit to divide us.

    Recent Working class fighbacks in KESC, PIA, Port Qasim, Faisalabad Loom Workers, Non Teaching Staff of Schools in Sindh etc and Students’ Resistance, both boys and girls, in Punjab, Peshawar University & Islamia College Peshawar, the fearless girl students of Bahawalpur Medical College etc , to name just a few, are a testament to this fact. Ongoing Peoples’ movements in Egypt and Tunisia are also giving the world the same message – they have, through and in the course of their struggles, patched up these artificial divisions and thus managed to push both Local Capitalist Class and Imperialism on the defensive. Recommend

  • Khadija
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:23PM

    You’ve been very honest with us George. I can relate to your melancholy and you’re frustration with the system. Let us just hope that maybe in another 5,10 or 20 years our country is more livable for all of us.. where Faiz’s parents can openly hold hands :).
    Best of luck dear friend! Your words have left an impression.Recommend

  • Duaa Khalid
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:38PM

    While I understand your sentiments and your need to leave the country – I am saddened by it. You represent the many others who have left the country before you, and will continue to do so after. Pakistan just cant seem to keep the people it needs.
    Unlike you I did quite the opposite, I returned to Pakistan after studying for some time in the UK. I did so even though I knew times were tough and life was rough for liberals such as myself. I did this not because I wanted to be labelled a hero or a patriotic zealot, but because I just couldn’t help it. I love my country, its an addiction and I cannot and honestly don’t want to kick the habit of. Its a pity really.
    The idealist in me wishes you were staying and helping the whatever little voices we have in the country to fight against this non Islamic intolerance that has suddenly been bred in a country that ought to protect its minorities. But the pragmatic in me, instilled through years of living in Pakistan, wishes you the best of luck on your future endeavours and hopes that you will come visiting us soon. Khuda Hafiz. Recommend

  • D.J.
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:43PM

    I appreciate your long stay for nine years in Pakistan. I can understand your position to flee the country. One can partly agree to your piece, though I seriously doubt your objectivity being a writer as I have read a couple of articles before this one. You leave Pakistan because you see it doomed. You are in a hurry to flee Pakistan and I am dying to come back to it. You are uncomfortable in Pakistan and I am feeling suffocated in the US, restlessly looking forward to returning in May–but it seems the time has paused. You said “khuda hafiz Pakistan” and I will be saying “Here I come Pakistan.” It’s the difference of perspective. It’s not Pakistan’s fault. You run from Pakistan to live and I prefer to live and die on my soil, so do millions of Pakistanis, because I [we] own it and you never belonged to it. Leaving “your Pakistan” in hard times is nothing to be proud of. We will receive you with open arms if you ever felt its livable and worth coming back. One thing more, you change your “we” from Pakistan to Britain and try to write objectively, I hope you will find your “great country” has, in fact, a big hand in ruining this country, rather the peace of the whole world.

    Wish you peace and a life of your own choice! Recommend

  • Raza Habib Raja
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:45PM

    The best article I have ever read…It is so touching..George you are spot on…You have mixed love for Pakistan with brilliant objectivity which we as natives lack…

    I hope though you are leaving you still remain interested in this land..Recommend

  • Ajay
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:51PM

    George, You seems to be a family man, a good husband,father,son-in-law.Nations makes mistakes & makes gray & colorful histories.You have option of leaving.But Pakistan & Pakistanis don’t have this option.How many countries will you leave at times of crisis.You might be good writer, but you are a week link in the society.Please step aside and let the brave take the call.Recommend

  • Aliya
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:51PM

    Isn’t the marriage about being together in good times and bad, through sickness and health?Recommend

  • MS
    Mar 3, 2011 - 12:58PM

    Shame on George and those people who are praising him for running away. I would have rather liked an article of a man who says that may what come..I will not leave Pakistan. Our ancestors gave their life for this country..Our ancestors did not choose to run away but rather demand for Pakistan. So shame on those who are opting to run and not fight for this country. Recommend

  • macsimuss
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:01PM

    @Blithe:

    A typical Pakistani mentality shown here by blithe….as long as india has more problems than us – we are good. Please forget about what India is going thru for a second here and concentrate what mess Pakistan is in. George is right – admit it. Stop making excuses with your numbers and stats for god sake and let people realize that we messed up and we need to make it right. Recommend

  • Rabia Pasha
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:03PM

    Dear George,

    Thank you for believing in this Country and in us, while you did. On behalf of Pakistan i apologise for our ungratefulness.
    Sadly its who we are. I remember watching your Geo show with the utmost excitement, being glued to every episode along side my mom and sister. with the sad trend of brain draining, a more populous culture amongst the educated youth with their external degrees, i was more akin to people always leaving Pakistan. But your show was a breath of fresh air and very ironically, a pleasant gush of patriotism. You were travelling our Country and even went on to embrace it. It made me believe that we still had more to show off than the terrorism labels.

    your morning show was equally lovely to catch whenever possible. I wish you, your wife and Faiz well. None of you deserve the treatment that prevails at present.

    i have lived in Islamabad all my life. Never left the borders of the Country. I have briefly travelled within it, because my father was always too busy being a surgeon.
    my faith in this Country is of course inherited, but it has been tested repeatedly with time. However something still manages to keep me grounded. Its the things i’ve achieved and the people that have touched my life. My friends and i run a small charitable trust in Islamabad by the name Thali, we redistribute surplus food from buffet meals, catering events and hotels among the low income groups. We also teach slum children in the outskirts ans within the city. I have met unsung heroes who have made me thank the Lord for everything i have and also admire them for their efforts even when life isn’t all too fair with them. So we strive ahead, with just an all too idealistic vision, but its a direction hopefully.

    i know we haven’t been fair to you and fanaticism has gripped our intellect to the point that we’ve been blinded by ignorance. But i do hope that you’d consider at some point to reconcile with your love, who will most definitely miss you. The truth is we need more individuals like you to take the blindfold off our hypnotised eyes. I hope you won’t completely turn your back on us and would surely continue to inspire us with your writings and memoirs of a time worth remembering and maybe a hopeful time to come. Recommend

  • Abdul Gilani
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:22PM

    Good Riddance,

    Seriously dont care who he was and what he did. But he shouldnt be a crybaby.Recommend

  • Nadir
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:25PM

    To everyone above claiming that george is putting all thr blame on the army. Did you stop reading after one paragraph? There is just one paragraph on the army and you are all ignoring the majority of the article which has nothing to do with it!Recommend

  • orielite
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:27PM

    George,when you came to Pakistan and got married and became famous,I thought you would end up being sucked into the system and join the ranks of those decorated by the GOP for being such nice poodles.Thank God your conscience was alive and has at last spoken.Every word that you feel rings true(very unfortunate,of course).This country is on a course of self destruction unless we the the meek liberals can join a social revolution like the people of Egypt,Tunisia,Libya,Yemen.The murder of Shahbaz Bhatti is a stark reminder of the inevitable end that end that nations meet when bigotry rules and good men and women join the conspiracy of silence.Do keep writing for there is a passion in writing that comes from the heart of honest people. Recommend

  • omz
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:33PM

    what a tear jerker! Just Jao George. I for one have had enough of your mindless ramblings, where you conveniently skip over the damage done by the ‘democratic’, ‘elected’ officials over the last 60 odd years. Recommend

  • Adnan baloch
    Mar 3, 2011 - 1:56PM

    I wonder why you people are begging a foreigner to stay in Pakistan and help us. trust yourself Recommend

  • Athar Quraishi
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:25PM

    George, you spoke the truth.
    Though not born in Pakistan, or because of the fact that you came from the UK, you are cleareyed and without the blinkers which Pakistanis don’t even know exist.

    ======
    You were direct. You said it like it is. You said it the way you saw it.
    Family matters. A country is a family too. I have left Pakistan too.
    And I am quite glad that I did. I would never have been my own person in that system.
    That too is a Faustian bargain of sorts. When a whole battalion of vardiwallahs can rule every jot and routine of your life, you cease to be citizen. You become a slave.

    ======
    It speaks to your love of freedom and of your family, that you stand tall and free.
    Good for you. May you prosper and grow. But then, I am sure you do and will care for Pakistan. Always. It is hard to shake off the love for ones place, or people accepting of you.
    Or at least of people, who you accept as your own. How does one ever remove them, excise them from their mind? It is not possible. Is it. That is the pain that always linger.

    ======
    I am seeing my own country sink into a rabbit hole, that Alice would think a million times before jumping into. What a downward spiral this is.

    ======
    George, if you are reading this, I hope you do. Please do something back where you go to, to marshall all the resources and people you can to give Pakistan a second chance. There are good people in Pakistan. And write now they are faltering. But they need a hand to steady them. They are good people. They will land on their feet. Thank you for telling it straight. Recommend

  • observer
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:34PM

    Going through the denials,recriminations and accusations, I feel that I can not do any better than repeat what @American has said,

    Every one can present their version; and if they disagree, you can rebut, point by point.
    But personalizing an argument and asking rhetorical questions, casting aspersions, is the reason why nothing is resolved and no direction emerges after 6 decades and more.

    Can we please avoid the rhetorical questions and the casting of aspersions please.

    @American

    Thank you.Recommend

  • cteemen
    Mar 3, 2011 - 2:58PM

    Pakistan is like a bubble gum stuck in your hair. All the ills emanate from the mad, schizophrenic, hypocritical, meaningless, ritualistic, demanding, open-ended RELIGIOSITY which is in vogue in Pakistan. 6-7 time prayers(rituals), go to school you hear it, ride the bus you read it on its body and listen it on it speakers, turn on tv you hear it, turn on radio you hear it, there is Muharam- al- Haram , there is, rabiul awal, there is Ramzan one whole month of rituals, there are Tablighis making rounds and rounding up people to make them more religious(sick) holding millions of meeting across the country on daily basis, there are ,thousands of madrassass churning millions of mullahs spreading in the length and breadth of society, the media is hijacked, nobody can and dare speak against this madness of meaningless religiosity. Every organ of the state is geared to toe the line of ‘do more religion mantra’. So what do u expect from such a society where criticism is absolutely forbidden and rather carries death sentence. With birth rate which Pakistan has millions upon millions are added every year who are totally neglected and unattended– as resources are funneled to feed the ‘mughals of army acting like a huge parasite’. So it can be rightly said PAKISTAN KA KHUDA HAFIZ because its dwellers have left no stone unturned to destroy it through madness of hypocritical religiosity. UNTILL AND ULESS RELIGION IS MADE A PRIVATE MATTER NO FORCE ON EARTH CAN MAKE PAKISTAN A BETTER PLACE!Recommend

  • Sanjeev
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:16PM

    Hi Blithe,

    The last 2 line of your view point does applies to you even, so lets put something in perspective.

    When Pakistan (West Pakistan + East Pakistan) was formed the Muslim elite, Muslim businessman, Muslim intellectuals, Muslim teachers…soldiers, Muslim goverment officer all left to Pakistan, and mostly the downtrodden, poor illetrate Muslim were left over in India.

    With no Muslim mass leader in India at that point of time, they had to survive with odds against them.

    The Sachar committe has rigthly presentd the figures….but if it had to check the number of small time business(mechanic, trader, weaver, spare part dealers or other private unorganised sector) it would find between 10 to 12 % of them would be Muslim in India.

    The reason is quite simple education, they have not benefited by the education system of India as they should have been… so we find them mostly in small time trading activity, which doe not require higher school, college certificates.

    The same applies to Bollywood, Sports in India so we find lot of our Muslim brethen with us in this field. (no certification required for acting or sports)

    The same reason can be attributed for number of Muslim convicts in India, being uneducated they are easy prey for the anti social element in the society.

    The same can be said for the suicide bombers…in Pakistan…they fall easy prey, to those anti social element.

    Things are not good or rosy as required in India, but a hell better than Pakistan for sure.Recommend

  • Shahid Riazi
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:25PM

    Dear George

    i have been a silent follower to your program since long and always admired the fact that a foreigner would seriously consider becoming a pakistani. i dont know what motivated you to come or what was the main factor that instigated feeling of dejection and loss of love for pakistan. But let me assure you that this is what pakistan does to all of us. i make us toil sweat and blood and then some more like a beloved and sometimes it takes us in its arms like a sweet grandmother. this is what pakistan is and this is what pakistan does. land of not diverse but polar dissimilarities that make us want more. i know we are all flawed (its the basic model of human being i presume :P)
    but jokes apart we all are just humans that try to find reason in the unreasonable shift of events. I could never understand why pakistan is so important to the western world or the world in general we dont have oil we dont have gold what makes the world so interested in us. I know people would say pakistan is a nuclear threat but you know more than me that this is not true. There are many other countries in the world that have undeclared nuclear weapons (allegedly: israel, north and south korea to name a few).
    In any case, i would really like to see you go back to england not as a british but as a pakistani. we need all the voices we can get to let people know what is pakistan how beautiful yet flawed it is. I hope …i pray Recommend

  • parvez
    Mar 3, 2011 - 3:53PM

    There’s a lot of truth in what you have written.
    I feel compelled to repeat the comment I made for your first write up and that is, don’t put all the blame for your leaving on Pakistan. Do some introspective soul searching and come up with a balanced view. You may be Pakistan ka George but you are human after all.Recommend

  • 아부
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:26PM

    Dear George,

    I can not help but smile at your angered criticism of the only sane institute in Pakistan. Unlike my other emotional countrymen, i am not too bothered by the fact that you are leaving.

    This piece of writing of yours clearly explains why you were there in the first place? To create a divide in the society by first making people feel you are part of them and once you win their confidence, spreading hate. It has perhaps always been the strategy of English men, “Divide & Rule”. They have been quite successful with it in the past.

    Regardless, i would not allow emotions to take over my words, but buddy, it was never ‘George ka Pakistan’! Hostile attempt for a covert operation, too bad you failed :-) Hats off to the army again. Better to keep your twisted views about the PAKSITAN ARMY & the MULLAH’s to yourself, our problem is lack of education & free thinking & we will InshaAllah over come it, over a passage of time.

    To conclude, i would like to say in Karachi street lingo, “George beta, chal nikal le shabash patli gali se”. I would love to see tourism flourish in my country & thank you for visiting this great country, as someone rightly mentioned above even YOUR identity or route to fame is Pakistan, so stop writing crap about this country, i don’t think we need your ENLIGHTENMENT!

    Pakistan was, is & will remain InshaAllah, it is not a Failed Sate, Flawed maybe…..

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD, PAINDABADRecommend

  • Asim
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:27PM

    Thanks for Pakistan Bashing, this is the same country that brought fame to you and when you lost your niche and not able to sustain that level of fame you have decided to leave ….. if Pakistan has been really that bad then why it took you so long to realize this, also just wonder if there was anything about the country or the people that you came across these years that was positive and worth highlighting ?!?! … it seems nothing as you failed to highlight them in your posts … this is where I find a major flaw in your assessment about Pakistan.

    As for terrorism and other things happening in Pakistan these days, I agree there are internal issues but external forces are playing a major role in this, Raymond Davis being a case in point and if no external forces are involved then I just wonder who are financing them? ….. appreciate if you insight on this too.Recommend

  • Nabeel Khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:35PM

    A friend of mine wrote this piece a while back.. I guess this is still relevant today!

    https://ayesha.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/an-open-letter-to-the-naysayers/

    As Einstein once said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. You may leave the country Mr. George et al, but change will only come about with those who continue bulldozing forward.

    Nonetheless, I wish you luck Georgie ol boy. You entertained most of us with your antics and I hope that your life continues to remain blissful :)

    Cheers,
    NabeelRecommend

  • jflossy
    Mar 3, 2011 - 4:51PM

    George,
    You talked about being a Pakistani and being “one of us”, however your hatred and disdain for Pakistanis was eveident in every article you wrote. Whetether that is ridiculing the Army or our culture, your hatred had no limits. The so called liberals, boot lickers and “brown sahibs” ( Pakistani’s that believe they are inferior to the white man) will no doubt miss you. However Pakistani’s with a bit of diginity, love for ther country and pride in being who they are, will not. Recommend

  • MAD
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:02PM

    Please answer this question George. if one day things were to change in Pakistan for the better. if the ill’s of our society were to disappear. would you consider coming back.

    Khuda HafizRecommend

  • Hassan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:42PM

    Lots of things that you mention , we already know, and yes they are pretty much true. But George boy, Pakistan is home. ‘My home.’ and will always be come what may, sadly and rightfuly it is not yours so i wudnt blame you on leaving, but do not tell us u r leaving because of all the wrong that is being done to pakistan. I f someone tries to destroy ones home . one stands firm agaisnt it to defend it not just ‘ leave ‘ like u ve done. find your own home first, cos u ve been trying to find one for too long now.

    Piece of advice : start defending your home and it will become yours forever.
    Got it Bro! and Bye now.

    p.s. and all you morons are like the Society begum George mentioned above. dont know sh..t but gotta agree with a GORA in any case. wake up people. Recommend

  • Babloo
    Mar 3, 2011 - 5:59PM

    Pakistan army/ISI is at the root of every evel in Pakistan governance. However the people , for some mysterious reason, blame only the politicians, who just serve as a mask to collect foreign aid for the army.Recommend

  • za
    Mar 3, 2011 - 6:50PM

    George..shhh… another CIA agent… Go back to your country we do not need such truthful persons like you.Recommend

  • Arifq
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:09PM

    Dear George, Thussi great ho yaar! Wish you all the best, take care we will remember you as someone who thrilled us with his innocence and left us with good memories.Recommend

  • binwakeel
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:18PM

    Good bye and good riddance! Again, why bring in Salman Taseer? Don’t give yourself airs, George. You are no Salman Taseer.Recommend

  • Atif
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:38PM

    @Babloo: sho shweet :) u truly are babloo or perhaps a Politician yourself!

    Your calling us hopeless doesnot really matter. I am not denying that we have problems but we never expected you to come here and fix them. West is as much as responsible for the mess happening all over the world. Nine years and you tell us we have no future. Just leave george as your mother in law said.Recommend

  • Saboor Syed
    Mar 3, 2011 - 7:59PM

    As painful as spot on …Recommend

  • hamza
    Mar 3, 2011 - 9:17PM

    sorry to see you leave, but no one’s gonna shed any tears. pakistan will prevail. too many people have given their lives for us to give up on her. as far as the pakistan army goes, please do not call it a mercenary army. your own british army has been a much larger mercenary force in the past 100 years, after poodling with the americans in killing 300000 iraqis in 7 years. good job george fulton. go home. Recommend

  • Yasir M
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:36PM

    Pakistan has numerous ills and its going to be a long and painful ride to bring sanity back.

    For every terrorirst and bigot, there are a hundred others who are working hard to bring about positivity to this country. 180 Million people do not have the luxury of packing up and leaving. Hence they will stay, suffer and hope to have a better tomorrow. You came as a tourist who overstayed and have no connection to this land. Please go but once you are back in England, head to the British Library and read history of your country. There was a time when there was civil war and anarchy in England. Little later the same nation was ruling the world.

    I am disgusted by whats going on but I do see a light at the end of this very long and very dark tunnel. I would not be surprised when the light is finally here, opportunist goras like you would be packing your bags in England and writing columns called Goodbye England! Oh & btw, good luck with getting space for your columns in maybe the trash papers given free in the metros? Recommend

  • born pakistani
    Mar 3, 2011 - 10:43PM

    Majority of the posts in response to this article show why we are in such a shape! Don’t know how this country can be saved…sad indeed..Recommend

  • Shahid Khan
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:05PM

    it will make a good analysis for history books as to how nations drown when ruled by military! Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 11:23PM

    “Despite enjoying unprecedented levels of wealth and education, we no longer believe it is our duty as the best educated and most privileged in society to contribute to its development. The English language has created a linguistic Berlin Wall between us and the rest of the country. We remain cosseted inside our bubble.”

    Thank you for this gem. This tallies with my comments in a British newspaper:

    “What the western commentators need to remember is that the apparent intolerance that we see arises as a result of gross social inequalities in Pakistan. The worst kind of oppressors and tyrants have clubbed together under the title “liberals”, which is very effective in deceiving the gullible westerners into supporting the status quo. These obnoxious people, a small minority, have isolated themselves from the rest of the population and they communicate with each other in the colonial language English, which most Pakistanis do not understand. The “liberals” are shut away in their ivory towers, not bothering to step down and communicate with their fellow Pakistanis in the language that they do understand – the lingua franca Urdu, or any of the regional languages.

    We may be heading for a bloody conflict. Perhaps the Pakistani nation may have to wade through blood before it is properly cleansed.” Recommend

  • Farhan Damani
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:26PM

    George, if you want to leave or have to leave or you are forced to leave, in any case you dont need to give so much justifications. You should do what you feel right. It was good having you here for 9 years, I appreciate. But aisay rotay rotay nahi jatay, be a man.
    I agree situation here in my country is too dark, and getting darker and darker. But there is always a hope and there will always be a hope. One day we will rise, may be in our lives or in the lives of our generations to come.
    Good bye, and phir kabhi dil chahe and mother in law permission de tou zaroor chakkar lagana. :)Recommend

  • Sufi Shah
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:27PM

    @Blithe. You are attacking George like an idiot and not even using your own name. I am sure one of those Khakis who lack the courage to enter open debate. We Pakistanis live and die in pakistan. i don’t give a toss what happens in India. Just want a bit of peace and quiet in my life. Yes, India may spend more than our budget on defence but i am sure they don’t as high a percentage of the GDP as we. But even then I don’t care. The army and security agencies have made a mess of Jinnah’s dream and you still seem to be saying ‘mine is bigger than yours ie India’. Well done.Recommend

  • Mar 3, 2011 - 11:43PM

    @아부

    Better to keep your twisted views about the PAKSITAN ARMY & the MULLAH’s to yourself, our problem is lack of education & free thinking & we will InshaAllah over come it, over a passage of time.

    And how do you propose to promote ‘education and free thinking’? By killing free thinkers like ZAB,BB and Taseer, or by exiling them like Faiz.
    By the way do remind me on whose watch was half the country lost, and who invited Americans to Afghanistan in the 1980s and then back in 2001.And who conceded North and then South Waziristan to TTP in the name of ‘peace treaties’?
    And coming to ‘twisted views’? How about the views of ‘Mullah Radio’, perhaps ‘twist in action’. And TNSM leading to a sharia paradise in Sawat? Twisted enough? Or may be Zaliim Online declaring a section of citizens of Pakistan ‘wajibul qatal’ will come up trumps in ‘twistology’.

    Brother the facts on the ground are much more twisted than any recounting of the same.Wake up.Recommend

  • Sohaib Siddiqui
    Mar 3, 2011 - 11:46PM

    If only Pakistani politicians and citizens could see the state of Pakistan through his eyes. Recommend

  • KM
    Mar 4, 2011 - 12:03AM

    George,

    Pakistanis cant blame you, but a Pakistani leaving Pakistan for all your reasons, certainly does NOT have the right to be a Pakistani. The problem with Pakistan is, that the Pakistani’s themselves do NOT take ownsership of their Pakistan, and rather treat it as a keep. Things will only change in Pakistan, the day the very Pakistani’s take responsibility of their Pakistan. No one from outside will come and clean the mess, it is only up to the people who own it, will have to clean it up.

    Cheers!Recommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 12:16AM

    u HAD to go George.Im surprised what took you so long. You can’t be blamed for fleeing(?) at a time when the country needed you the most .There are thousands if not millions in this country who wouldnt take a second to run away if they had a choice.

    I must add that people should stop giving the impression that ‘this is the end’. Pakistan has survived against all odds. It will continue to do so InshaAllah. We WILL recover and get back our Pakistan because Pakistan is not of the evil. It belongs to those common Pakistanis who showered an unknown gora with so much love. It belongs to US.

    Good luck with your life!Recommend

  • Riaz
    Mar 4, 2011 - 12:50AM

    And I bet one day you would be back Pakistan but with the change mindset. Not any thing more…….Recommend

  • SYED AKBAR HUSSAIN
    Mar 4, 2011 - 3:13AM

    It is a miracle that Pakistan has not already hit the precipice that George has talked about in the beginning or should I say it already has! But divorce is not the solution.
    I also seemingly divorced her (Pakistan), then married her again – thank God no one could put a fatwa on that!
    Right now I believe it is not the precipice which Pakistan is about to hit or has already hit – the world has shrunk in an exponential way. Pakistan’s problems are India’s problem’s, India’s are those of America’s, America’s problems are those of Pakistan and so on (I just mentioned these three, as articles name them more vociferously then others) – otherwise all the countries/nations are now sitting on the same merry-go-round.
    Pakistanis need to take charge themselves and others need to be mindful that everybody gets affected when such a huge number of people are failing collectively.
    The good and the BAD (as there is more bad now) in Pakistan is certainly because of it’s army where a dynastic culture prevails and barring few good men most rot at the top. You would be amazed how much they have plundered both morally and materially. I don’t thinks others like politicians or bureaucrats, rich and the famous are not equally responsible, but army has been the master of the ceremony.
    Pakistan is over due for a complete revamp along with the movers and shakers of the world at large!Recommend

  • Black Rose
    Mar 4, 2011 - 3:40AM

    well i am really sad over george’s departure, and all these people who are asking george to “stop acting and just go already” they are actually trying to escape from the truth he said. they don’t want to admit the mistakes of PAKISTANIS. and this is why we are in such a bad condition because we pakistanis do not want to admit that we did anything wrong, or that WE CAN BE WRONG. Good luck pakistan another good person is leaving you.Recommend

  • Zunnoon Meer
    Mar 4, 2011 - 3:45AM

    Dont go George!

    i hope you will come back soon!Recommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 4:19AM

    George Thanks for trying to show Pakistanis what patriotism and self-belief is – I apologise for the Mullah-infested minds of the masses who are looking at oblivion in what was once a great country Pakistan into what it will soon become a Mullah-Taliban-Jahil Republic!Recommend

  • Shabbir
    Mar 4, 2011 - 5:40AM

    George welcome home and bless you that u managed to be there for 9 years…Recommend

  • Tanvir Zuberi
    Mar 4, 2011 - 6:45AM

    George has become Doctor of Pak Syndrome. He pointed out correctly that Armed Forces are the real monarchs of Pakistan and President and Prime Minister are no more than a show pieces. Out of total revenue of 1200 billion rupees, 550 billion rupees is a defense budget. No body can ask the monarchs how much is bare essential and how much is there for Ayyashee and to siphon out. There is no forum where defense budget can be discussed or scrutinized for public’s information.
    The only Govt. that drastically reduced both external and internal debt was or Pervaiz Musharraf’s. No these debts have almost doubled in 3 years and so is there interest. After paying interest on external/internal debts hardly any money is left for development. Whatever is available is sucked by politicians, therefore development is not only halted but is on path of inverse progress or rather towards ditch.
    Solution: Justice and fairness is prime. these include courts and police. Iftikhar Choudhary is so helpless because prosecution and police cannot present strong case in courts. So solution 1 is to establish independent police and courts.
    Solution 2 is to cut down govt. expenses, perks, facilities and defense budget. Save money and spend this on poverty alleviation projects.
    Solution 3: Dramatic changes in tax and revenue collection. Added money should be spent on infrastructure projects, such as roads, bridges, telecom, transport, school, college buildings.
    Solution 4: Drastic changes in curriculum and teachers quality, four fold spending increase on health and education
    Solution 5: ZAB destroyed banks and filled corrupt officers in banks. Banks and Financial Institutions should be regulated strictly so that money is only available for viable projects, all loans or defaulters properties should be sold and loans recovered.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Mar 4, 2011 - 7:49AM

    George, another wonderful piece. You really hit the nail on the head; did not mince your words.

    But, have a look at the comments- Some are saying India has more problems than Pakistan, or blaming it on India, US or Israel. You have failed to put your point accross. Its not your fault though. Years of brainwashing cannot be undone with 2 beautiful set of words.

    Forget about Pakistan, drop it like a bad habit that it is.Recommend

  • w khan
    Mar 4, 2011 - 8:48AM

    It has made me really sad. I think it is the right decision of you to leave Pakistan as there is nothing more valuable than life. Mullahs and Military are guaranteed to take this country to the depths of hell. I am sorry George.Recommend

  • Salman Abbasy
    Mar 4, 2011 - 10:09AM

    A trenchant analysis of how the Quaid-e-Azam’s Pakistan has suffered death by a thousand cuts at the hands of the military-mullah nexus while the English-educated elite engaged in preparing bolt-holes and despatching their progeny abroad. A few who dared to speak out against the spreading rot were systematically isolated and de-fanged or eliminated. May you and your family find peace and prosperity wherever you go. Amen. Recommend

  • Fiya
    Mar 4, 2011 - 10:33AM

    How very sad! The distorted version of our national slogan ” Pakistan se Zinda Bhaag” rings true here!Recommend

  • irfan
    Mar 4, 2011 - 10:52AM

    well rats are the first to leave when the ship sinks, so you are no exception. My ancestors made a decision to migrate to pakistan and ALL of them stood by their decision no matter what.
    Your flowery language and the emotional jargon does not mean a thing George you are IBNULWAKT.
    Finding faults is the easiest thing in the world to do, that is precisely what you have done,nothing new to anyone who has read it. Had you meant what you wrote you would have stayed back to put in your bit to find a solution.
    AND YES GEORGE TERA KHUDA HE HAFIZRecommend

  • M Afzal Qamar
    Mar 4, 2011 - 11:33AM

    What George has said, it should be given due attention by every true Pakistani without being the emotional. I born in Pakistan, living in Pakistan but when I think what‘s the future of my sons, daughter and other youngster? There is no protection, there is not peace and every one is seeking peace. There is corruption but no one want to step forward to eliminate such evils, bribery and other evils are now part of living but how many year we can survive with all evils. Mosque are full of prayerees but there is no honestly. Every where we can see the Majalis-e-Milaad but we are unable to see the picture of any of act of our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Recommend

  • omar yusaf
    Mar 4, 2011 - 11:41AM

    Somewhat of a coincidence that George should be making such an abrupt departure, when colleagues of Mr. Raymond Davis are also scurrying to catch the first flight out, in case they are outed.
    George has put his money where his heart is.
    Dont be taken in by the gracious mouthings of people such as George.
    The depth of their feelings is measured by their commitment, and George gets an F for ‘Fail’..Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Mar 4, 2011 - 11:48AM

    Pakistan doesn’t deserve you, switch to some other sane country.Recommend

  • Imran
    Mar 4, 2011 - 11:53AM

    George,

    Good bye and best of luck. It takes courage to live in a country like Pakistan. It was never going to be easy and you gave up after only a few years. Give up the citizenship as well. Those that leave Pakistan in its time of need do not deserve the green passport.

    Regards,
    ImranRecommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 11:53AM

    The last saas bit takes the cake for me. Says it all.. bhaag jao. Poignant for sure!Recommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 11:55AM

    @Noor: This comment is so poignant :DRecommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 1:35PM

    George no body knows you before pakistan.You got fame,wealth & wife from pakistan.your base is not in pakistan so we understand you have no love for pakistan ,You were here for your personal goals may b undercover another Rymond Davis,so if you want to go you must go but stop blaming Pakistan . Thankless George ka Khuda hi Hafiz… It is better for Pakistan.Recommend

  • athiest
    Mar 4, 2011 - 2:05PM

    @liberal fascist:
    dont agree with u…totally NOT.Recommend

  • observer
    Mar 4, 2011 - 2:31PM

    @Irfan

    My ancestors made a decision to migrate to pakistan and ALL of them stood by their decision no matter what.

    So when your ancestors made a dicision to migrate to Pakistan did they not ‘run from a sinking ship’. Why did they not chose to stay behind to put things right?
    And come to think of it ancestors of ZAB,BB,Taseer and Bhatti stayed put and still came to a sorry end.
    Moral of the story- Lets not get hoity toity with a guy who is only sharing his pain because he believes that he owes an explanation to the people he loves.Recommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 3:54PM

    @irfan:

    Perhaps it has not occurred to you that there are times when you have to leave a place
    you love because of the stranglehold of a privileged minority? One may be intelligent but one finds the way ahead is barred because of what George calls the “Berlin Wall”. You lack the resources to scale that wall so you find a way to get out of the oppressive colonial society and breathe freely in the land of the people who had bequeathed that antiquated colonial system to their erstwhile subjects more than 60 years ago. So, in the new land of opportunity you learn a new language in addition to your own and you live with dignity and freedom. Meanwhile, you continue to offer support to the motherland in whatever way possible.

    All that the privileged Pakistani class needs to do is provide a level playing field for all. It simply is not possible to do that unless Pakistan’s lingua franca, Urdu, is introduced in all walks of life, civilian and military. It may not be possible to do that overnight, but that goal of a level playing field is possible over a period of time. The sooner we start the better.Recommend

  • Qasim Zaman Khan
    Mar 4, 2011 - 4:04PM

    I pity you and your family and your mother in Law. I am sorry to see that they have no country of their own. Leaving Pakistan is no solution. You are not at fault. This was not your country and you are going back to your country. But your wife and your mother in law are not the real Pakistanis… they are better-off in some other country.
    This is a difficult time for Pakistan but soon there will be time when things will be better inshAllah.
    You have a safe journey and a great family life.Recommend

  • Zain
    Mar 4, 2011 - 5:19PM

    Good luck George, I sympathise with you leaving. I am a British Pakistani who grew up hearing great things about Pakistan from my parents, only to have lived in Pakistan for the last couple of years where I have realised that it is probably the most unislamic, hate-filled country I have ever been to. The rights of the poor and minorities are not respected and the country is dominated my extremism or people who justify extremism.

    I have to say, Pakistan is not a country I am proud to be from. When I am abroad and people ask me where my family is from, I would rather say I am Indian.

    I am sure some would comment that I am not a true Pakistani so I do not have the right to comment and my response to that is, thank God I am not from here so that I have the choice to leave before Pakistan runs itself into the ground. I feel sorry for the countless poor people who suffer in Pakistan without any hope of ever leaving. Recommend

  • Saif
    Mar 4, 2011 - 5:32PM

    “Keep Writing”, as i said before. That’s the best you can do!! Recommend

  • Shehryar
    Mar 4, 2011 - 6:00PM

    George,

    Its commendable that you stayed here and tried your best to make it work. Not taking anything away from you, I think most of us who were born and bred here have a bigger stake in Pakistans success.

    I think the decision to leave Pakistan has become immensely important and symbolic now. Its going to be a death by a thousand cuts if one by one, the sane people get up and leave. Every person who cannot take it anymore or crosses a personal threshold and leaves, actually adds momentum to the downfall. Every person that decides to stay and fight (or moves back from abroad) strengthens the case for a stable Pakistan and contributes to making it better in some small way. Earlier, I was fine with my friends getting great jobs abroad and feeling safe in Dubai or Toronto and sending $$ back into our economy but now, its become ever more crucial to stay and support the fight against this internal onslaught of jahalat. Every person has a threshold (being mugged, cheated, Salman Taseers murder etc). We just need to have thicker skin and a higher threshold…Recommend

  • Fariha
    Mar 4, 2011 - 7:28PM

    George is leaving because it he has finally become a true Pakistani – it took him 9 years. He came to Pakistan, and became an overnight celebrity… a young journalist, amongst thousands like him, and according to himself his primary qualification was just being a naive Gora. But he loved Pakistan, a rare trait amongst us all, and people were so inspired by this that they made him an icon. He could have made it big in media, or politics, or whatever he chose….

    Over the years, he has written so many times about us not taking responsibility for our own actions, about constantly wanting foreign passports to escape, about not facing up to harsh realities; And it is heart breaking to see that he has changed so much that now he does not even take responsibility for his own decision to depart…In Pakistan decisions are made for you, he laments in part 1 of this article… I am leaving because of my young child, he cries, it is my mother in law that has made my decision, he feebly argues!

    George Bhai, we loved you and welcomed you in our hearts… but you became so much like us that you forgot the old George inside, full of passion and spirit and vigour. But now we see a dejected cynical soul slinking away into the oblivion of the West…. it was nice having you but sad that your spirit has become so broken. Khair nal ja George Bhai…we will miss you but as a spiritless automation you could no longer be a hero anyway, so it is just as well that you are leaving, for pastures new.Recommend

  • Mehnaz
    Mar 4, 2011 - 8:00PM

    @Shehryar: Re: We just need to have thicker skin and a higher threshold…

    A few days ago I read a great analogy about how a frog would jump out if thrown in a pot of boiling water; however, a frog sitting in a pot will boil to its death if you slowly increase the temperature of water.
    Our thicker skins & higher thresholds would do nothing…situation will keep deteriorating, people will keep adjusting to newer injustices until everything just disintegrates. I have seen our society change throughout 80s, 90’s & the past decade & it is because we allowed our thresholds to be pushed around. I left Pakistan 11 years ago feeling powerless in the face of growing religious bigotry & intolerance. We are reaping what Zia sowed & unfortunately, I see a point of no return:(

    Good Luck George!!! Recommend

  • Punhal Pirzada
    Mar 4, 2011 - 8:35PM

    One of the best articles I have ever read on the Tribune. And so true! Please continue writing after you leave, I for one would still love to hear what you have to say. More astonishingly, for someone who’s lived in the country for only nine years, you seem to have a much more composed and thought-out insight than anyone else here does. We respect you George, and we hope you will come back some day! Recommend

  • Mar 4, 2011 - 9:02PM

    Lets call George a CIA agent…. Its so easy…. isn’t itRecommend

  • Shehryar
    Mar 4, 2011 - 9:09PM

    @Mehnaz:

    I didn’t mean thicker skin in terms of insensitivity or indifference. I mean thicker skin and a higher threshold before we say “Screw it, I’m leaving”. I’m afraid no matter how bad it gets, there is always a way back if you stay in Pakistan. Once you leave, then you find it harder and harder to resist and contribute (except cash to Shaukat Khanum or Edhi). In very broad terms, these are the two choices: 1) mainstream people staying here and slowly pushing back against the extremists and improving things one painful step at a time or 2) most of the upper and middle class moving abroad and just leaving Pakistan to the dogs. With every “George and family” that leaves, things get easier for the Qadris.Recommend

  • Nayab
    Mar 4, 2011 - 11:54PM

    lOl, To be very honest, I really liked you George, but after reading this.. I must say, you’re like any other ‘Gora’ who will always see the Bad side of Pakistan, too bad. Even after living here for 9 years, you don’t know the real Pakistan and the worst part is, you did not even make an effort to bring a change, instead you chose to run away. Tell me One thing, Have you ever received Death threats or something similar to that?? Pakistanis always Loved you, that is the reason you lived here for almost a decade! All those Thankless people who are calling Pakistan a ‘Blood thirsty state’ should not forget that they are living here, doing what so ever pleases them, with no Restrictions as such. Though there are factors which are degrading us, it is up to us to fail all those conspiracies and protect ourselves. No one else would do that for you, you yourselves will have to stand up.
    As far as “freedom of speech” is concerned, there is always a limit to it and if there is not, it could very well give birth to war as people will go around saying whatever’s on the tip of their tongues and it can offend people and resent them, after all we are human beings and as humans, we should care for our dignity and respect. Secondly, i totally agree with what Atiqa Odho said, India is always looking out for reasons to humiliate us. That’s a fact, accept it. Thirdly, what the Cricketers do, Does not represent the whole nation, Exactly like what Raymond Davis did does not represent the whole of the ‘Gora’ race. And by the way, a lot of stuff happens in Pakistan so you can totally hold hands and no one will even bother. This is Pakistan Not Afghanistan, Stop exaggerating like all your counter parts. I have realized, you’re No Different.
    Why don’t you condemn Drone attacks? Why don’t you condemn people who in the name of “freedom of speech” go on offending peoples sentiments? If you have “emotions” so do others.

    Sorry to say, Change the name from “George ka Khuda hafiz” to “George ki Abandoning”Recommend

  • Raqib Ali
    Mar 5, 2011 - 3:17AM

    Good bye George.

    Your analysis is valid but you have underestimated the strength of ordinary Pakistanis.

    I am sure you will come back in a few years!Recommend

  • Mehnaz
    Mar 5, 2011 - 3:28AM

    @Nayab:
    What a sorry rant!Recommend

  • Cehyr
    Mar 5, 2011 - 5:28AM

    aww…finally back to your roots..? I must say great decision George..”Dare aaye Darust aaye” :-) actually I don’t agree wid most of your views…but yes, I truly wish you a great life ahead…Stay Safe!Recommend

  • observer
    Mar 5, 2011 - 10:09AM

    @Nayab

    India is always looking out for reasons to humiliate us. That’s a fact, accept it.

    1.Indian PM came to Minar-e Pakistan.
    2.Indian Gen Musharraf staged a coup.
    3.Indians invited ‘mujahiddin of northern light infantry’ to Kargil.
    4.Indians hijacked IC 814 to Kandhar
    5.Indians facilitated 9/11.
    6.Indians killes Daniel Pearl.
    7.Indians attacked their own parliament.
    8.Indians bombed London.
    9.Indians created murder and mayhem in Lisbon.
    10.Indians dismissed the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
    11 Indians killed Benajir Bhutto
    12.Indians attacked Mumbai.
    13.Indian cricketers engaged in spot fixing.
    14.Indians bombed sufi shrines and Ashura processions
    15.Indians killed Taseer and Bhatti
    16.Indians declared Ahmadis ‘wajibul qatal’

    Indians did all this to malign the innocent Islamic Republic of Pakistan

    Yes I accept these ‘facts’.
    Nayab logic indeed.Recommend

  • Disillusioned1
    Mar 5, 2011 - 11:06AM

    @Roflcopter
    @shams

    Does his criticism sting u coz u think he’s not Pakistani or coz he’s white? Pls stop displaying such utter narrow- mindedness. If we accept critical evaluations of this country from fellow countrymen without taking offense, understand he too is Pakistani, get the damn chip off your shoulder n focus on wat he is saying, not on who is saying it. Embrace, foremost that he is pakistani. In telling him to leave already, u display your true lack of compassion n liberal values.Recommend

  • Naveed
    Mar 5, 2011 - 11:33AM

    Hi George!

    It is a Pakistani gesture when “Hi” is used to relieve a heavy burden on your chest. Hello. I sigh becasue I feel sad that you are leaving. I am a true fan of you George, I like you because you chose to be a part of a country that I myslef feel not very proud to be assocaited with.

    You taking Pakistan as a home was a one in a million thing, you going back is natural act of self defence and that is what most of the people in pakistan would like to do. Imagine what is left when all the good is gone from my country.

    We Pakistanis will always remember you with love and I am sure you also will carry a little tiny feeling of love for Pakistan, I will still read your tweets.Recommend

  • Emaar
    Mar 5, 2011 - 11:56AM

    The Article is truly a deeply thought of what is happening. and it is very to the point. with what is happening around us, i myself being a Pakistani don’t feel safe. we have grown fundamentalism into people. who don’t listen, who act, no matter what they do, they act no matter its violence or murder for them its honestly because we have started to defy our religion. making it way we want to. Geroge may God bless you and may u be safe. i feel sorry as for me and urself of being a Pakistani who isn’t secure in his own countryRecommend

  • K Fareed Khan
    Mar 5, 2011 - 12:28PM

    Calling the Pakistan Army a mercenary army is probably a crime under our defamation laws or laws prohibiting creating disaffection against the defenders of the nation. Mr George being a law-abiding person would agree no doubt to stay and face any legal proceedings, I assume, and prove his statements in court. We should take cognizance and investigate if a crime has been committed. I take offense.Recommend

  • Madiha Javed Qureshi
    Mar 5, 2011 - 12:46PM

    Negativity Breeds more Despondence….and dats not the solution…the So called Liberals educated Pakistanis sud understand this more than anybody else…..whoever wants to leave sud leave…if u lose ur passion in something u strongly believed in…den ur surely not a winner!!!Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 5, 2011 - 2:19PM

    Calling Pakistani army a mercinary is an insult to the mercinaries. The mercinary accepts the money and executes the killing, What does Pak army do, Accept money from US, Train, bribe and brainwash innocent poor public like Kasab, thru well founded terrorist infrastructure and attack others and sometimes Pakistan, strike deals with terrorists whom it cant fight(under the guise of “cant fire at our own people”), fight only when it does not have an alternative and pay the top brass the highest salary in the world. When it suits, it takes over the country under the Doctrine of necessity and screws it up further as if the politicians have not done enough damage. You call this the “The army” which was the main reason Pakistan bifurcated itself into 2, come on gimme a break..Recommend

  • Meerza
    Mar 5, 2011 - 3:01PM

    Dear George,

    While you are right about some things you have written, you seem to criticize our military a little too much. Heres why I say this:

    If Pakistan did Kargil, didn’t India do Siachen? At least Pakistan pulled out, India hasn’t.

    Didn’t Pakistan test its nuclear bomb in response to the Indians?

    If Pakistan did Mumbai thing, what about India’s involvement in our province Balochistan? (Yes have made out mistakes there too, but that shouldn’t mean we ignore how India is funding violence in that country)

    About Salman Taseer, as much as I would condemn his murder (as I dont have any doubt that his killing was totally un-Islamic), what about India’s violence in Gujrat and Kashmir?

    Please read some history, and see how countries, rightly or wrongly, defend their interests outside of their territories. Please read your own country’s history, and see for yourself what they did around the world, to feed their power hunger. I am sure you will see the bigger picture, as to how things are run by humans around the world.

    Oh BTW, what about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? I am sure it wasn’t our military/establishment who went into another country after lying to the world, hanging it’s President?

    So my point is, it’s not just Pakistan, its the whole world, including your country, including India and US. And I am also gonna say this to Pakistanis: Yes do agree to our weaknesses, but also learn to see if it’s only you who is the worst example around? Shouldn’t we talk about the whole world, and stop blindly agreeing to everything the world has to say about you! Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 5, 2011 - 4:33PM

    Meerza:
    Pl get your logic correct
    Kargil is in Indian territory while Siachen was not marked
    China attacked in 1962 and it has atom bomb. What do u want India to do. Naturally test and develop its own bombs. India never attacked Pakistan unprovoked. Bombs are not Pakistan centric.
    This news about Balochistan is an unsubstantiated lie and used as and when the Pakistan’s political class sees it fit to divert Pakistani’s attention from the careless attitude of military and politicians. Why cant u see thru their game first before blaming India without providing any evidence. No Indian citizen came to Balochistan and attacked. It was Pak army, it is Pak army and it will be and then blame it on india
    India’s violence in Kashmir and Gujarat are not unprovoked acts like Mumbai. If pakistani and muslim terrorists keep attacking Indians from 1947, patience will wear out and some people will react and react with a vengence. It does not mean they can dodge laws and courts. Indian legal system is slow but atleast moving. Mahatma gandhi was a gujarati but not all gujaratis can be Mahatmas. If Pakistan has accepted the accession and left it to the Kashmiris, things would have been different. They poked their nose in 1947 and then in the eighties after the Afgan adventure. Now the nose is getting bloodied by their own hands

    Please please understand one thing, George is not migrating to India. He is a well read man and am sure he would have better answers to all your illogical points. Recommend

  • Mar 5, 2011 - 4:45PM

    Poor George forgot to mention the hundreds and thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis slaughtered by the British Army, NATO, the US, the Allied Forces (ISAF) and the brutalities during the colonial regime in British India. I’m glad you left before someone taught you a good lesson. Shukar :)Recommend

  • Hazard Ali
    Mar 5, 2011 - 5:42PM

    British and American operatives are pulling out…..khuda hafiz George :)Recommend

  • Madeeha Javed
    Mar 5, 2011 - 5:46PM

    Great Decision George, This country was never worthy of living since 1947, as the base of this country is wrong, and the country which was being built on wrong base how can it stand up on good wall, Your Decision is Right, Good LuckRecommend

  • Meerza
    Mar 5, 2011 - 7:32PM

    @vasan

    I have written the same text, in an email to George. I will let you know if he really comes forward with logical answers. The way he is talking about us, clearly shows his lack of information about Britain’s own bloody past. He should visit his museums and bow his head in shame. Looters of the world, talking about us!

    About India and Pakistan: If you think Pakistan is all evil, and your country India is all pure, you are living in fools paradise. Like I said in my last post, thats the way humans are, thats how they defend their interests.

    One more thing, USA is definitely worshiping India now (so you’re basking in ‘india shining’ image), but rest assured they will use you like a tissue paper, use you against China. Then you will be discarded just like us. Do stay tuned! And Oh please dont say we cant be discarded, we have a strong economy that we built ourselves; economies dont work in isolation.Recommend

  • Moise
    Mar 5, 2011 - 8:17PM

    What George did for Pakistan?Recommend

  • ahmed
    Mar 5, 2011 - 8:27PM

    come on. its not that dark.. we were born and grew up here. just because you are leaving does not mean that rest should lost all hope of life also. life goes onRecommend

  • Indian-American
    Mar 5, 2011 - 9:17PM

    @Meerza:
    What makes you think that Indians would allow themselves to be used and discarded ?
    They did not allow Russia to do that.. and at that time, Indian economy was not strong either…
    It’s not money. It’s character. It’s education; learning; culture; tradition; heritage; It’s values.
    It’s not what the mullah or priest says. Its not what the 1300 year old (or 3000 year old) “holy book” says.
    Indian and Chinese are two of the greatest and oldest civilizations that ever existed; from way before Russian and American and Arab and Mohammedan.
    Pakistanis are part of that ancient civilization too; they would benefit from learning the ancient wisdom of tolerance and learning, instead of listening to hate filled speeches of Mullahs that spout rubbish about infidels and kafirs.
    Pakistan as a nation is fast becoming the out-caste of the world…better realize it before it becomes too late. Recommend

  • vasan
    Mar 5, 2011 - 9:20PM

    Meerza:
    “The way he is talking about us, clearly shows his lack of information about Britain’s own bloody past. He should visit his museums and bow his head in shame. Looters of the world, talking about us! ”
    I agree with you that Britishers have a bloody past and were looters of the world. That does not change a thing about Pakistan.
    “About India and Pakistan: If you think Pakistan is all evil, and your country India is all pure, you are living in fools paradise. Like I said in my last post, thats the way humans are, thats how they defend their interests. ”
    I agree with you partially. We dont claim India is all pure and we dont think Pakistan is all evil I also agree that this is the way humans are. I vehemently disagree with the uncivilised way of defending their interests by pakistan and doubly disagree with the way they defend that logic..
    Civilised or uncivilised nations do have differences of Interest but they dont behave like Pakistan interfering in other states on the pretext of defending their interests and use religion as a tool for masking their uncivilised behavior. WE dont claim to be leaders of Hindu UMMA or any such nonsene. We dont claim anything of ours as Hindu this or Hindu that. And we dont name our missiles after the invaders like Gazni and Gauri etc.
    USA will use us and throw us like a tissue if we let US do that. That is where we are different from Pakistan. We know what our interests are and we dont supply men for dollars. We dont have a mercinary army. Our ex prime ministers and presidents dont live in exile. This list of differences are endless and that is the way we are. We are confident that we can handle this relationship will US to everyone’s advantage not that of US alone..Recommend

  • harkol
    Mar 5, 2011 - 9:47PM

    @Blithe

    You seem to be too worried about Sachar, MJ Akbar and the state of Indian muslims!!!

    So, Let me throw some light. Indian Muslims citizens are doing fairly well compared to their coreligionists in most other countries. Though Muslims are indeed under represented in Govt. and Public sector jobs, they enjoy no insecurity or persecution. In india’s first-past-the-poll system their votes significantly influence the outcome in about 30% (150 seats) constituencies – which is why BJP can never hope to be in power on its own. That’s power far beyond their percentage population.

    There was an attempt by some state legislatures to provide job reservations for them, but then it was shut out by the Supreme court, which held that a religious reservation isn’t permitted by Constitution. But, now they have been accommodated in OBC sections on the basis of economic backwardness, which is permitted by constitution.

    But, the real problem in reforming Muslim Society in India comes from Muslim leadership. They don’t want Madrasa education system to be modernized, thus churning out unemployable adults. This old leadership opposed any reform in Muslim Personal law, and has resisted many progressive measures regarding Muslim women.

    However, that’s changing fast. The younger generation is impatient and don’t have time for the insecurities of older generation. They want good jobs, good life..

    Oh BTW, since you used lot of numbers, here is one – Muslim percentage of Indian population has gone up by 30% since independence (11 to ~14% as you mentioned). Compare that with what happened to Hindus in Pakistan (18% to less than 1.2% by 1998, perhaps less now).

    So, above is a measure of safety Muslims minorities have enjoyed under Indian constitution, it also shows Muslims as a society haven’t been as successful in Population control as other sections in India. That adds to their economic backwardness.Recommend

  • harkol
    Mar 5, 2011 - 9:52PM

    @Moise

    What George did for Pakistan?

    He left it alone, before being accused of Blasphemy and creating another international uproar.

    @Fareed Khan:

    I take offense.

    The easiest thing to do, and exactly what George was talking about. Tougher thing to do is to develop a temperament of tolerance to criticism.Recommend

  • Mar 5, 2011 - 10:42PM

    Mr George should also do a “George ka Shukria” Blog Entry. Pakistan did you a favour in a lot of ways and forms. People would love to know about that as well. Recommend

  • Meerza
    Mar 5, 2011 - 10:45PM

    @Indian-American

    “1300 years old “Holy Book””… I did not mock your religion, please mind your language.

    “Pakistan as a nation is fast becoming the out-caste of the world…”
    Your former prime minister Nehru said, soon after the partition that our country wouldn’t survive for more than a few months… Keep dreaming like your “leaders”!Recommend

  • Meerza
    Mar 5, 2011 - 10:47PM

    @vasan

    “Civilised or uncivilised nations do have differences of Interest but they dont behave like Pakistan interfering in other states on the pretext of defending their interests…”

    Please come back to my question in the first post about Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)?Recommend

  • Rajat
    Mar 5, 2011 - 10:54PM

    @vasan, @harkol

    Drop it guys, don’t get provoked, the topic is different. Regarding the points of Indian muslims, enjoying the fruits of secularism in our country, no matter how much you explain it to them, Pakistanis won’t understand. They are just not brought up like that. A particular hindi proverb fits in to all of this -aakhir bundar kya jaane adark ka swad.. Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Mar 6, 2011 - 12:40AM

    this article totally ridiculous to core ..he wants a Pakistan to be nude, girls dancing on evey inch of this land and on top of it a LIberal Mummy daddy SECULAR country which is the only yard stick to measure liberalism
    george u want to leave dont make sentimenatl satements or trying to show things in a twisted way …indeed very very twised ….. ur wicked but poor Recommend

  • nehal
    Mar 6, 2011 - 3:06AM

    Agreeing with much of what u have said about the elite in Pakistan and the plague of extremism I would like to correct u on some of the things u hv said; firstly if the two nation theory was wrong then Bangla Desh would have been a province of India and not a separate state after 1971. The idea of Pakistan was a stroke of genius, it did not fail, rather we failed Pakistan. The privileged elite living in closed walls and the religious fanatics combined together are not more then a single digit percentage. The majority, which unfortunately u were not in contact with is caring loving and moderate. They have absolutely nothing to do with the “Military, Elite or Religious” nexus. We are passing through our phases of learning, we will learn through the process of elimination, which will be long, after all Rome was not built in a day. The longer the process the deeper will be the depth of learning. You may see a ‘failure of state’ thing in the conditions my country is in today but I see foundations of a strong resilient country shaping up through a hard learning process. We ordinary Pakistanis will make sure it does.

    Some one asked Mr.Jinnah that you have changed history and made a country, how long do you think it will take for it to become a nation, Jinnah’s reply was a 100 years, so we are still 38 years short. So George if u live 38 more years(which I hope u do) you might want to migrate to Pakistan, again! only it would be permanent then. Goodbye our friend. Recommend

  • Indian-American
    Mar 6, 2011 - 5:16AM

    @Meerza:
    Can’t you Pakistanis never separate facts from sentiment…
    You had to pick half-a-sentence, and get defensive ?
    In the same sentence, I also referred to “our” 3000 year old holy book…we don’t follow it literally.
    We don’t follow any priest literally either. We listen (if we want to), and ignore what we don’t like.
    Religion is for personal and spiritual use, as each of us like it or not ……not for temporal use.
    Do not follow the book literally whether mine or yours..we are in 2010 not in 700 and definitely not in 1000 BC. Recommend

  • Naseer
    Mar 6, 2011 - 9:49AM

    @Haris Chaudhry:

    Pakistan will stay …but the corrupt and the oppressors are certainly doomed….this is the time to show your character….unfortunately, many have left Pakistan and has blamed it for all that has been happening…but in the long run Pakistan will remain …it will see thousands of centuries InshaAllah….so if you leave today …you’ll be forever remembered as the one who abandon Pakistan….and if you are with us….then definitely you’ll have some respect…and be remembered as the one who supported Pakistan when it was in a dire state…. so don’t say Pakistan is doomed…it is the society…that will be doomed…for their sins….InshaAllah..a revolution will bring a change..,a better one…

    As for George…it is simply…sad to know that he too is fleeing Pakistan…what he has said…we all knew it already…and this is what all those who have left have ever to say…to justify why they have left….but…I’m afraid Pakistan will stay forever….it just shows…how much you had in the tank…9 years eh?…not too bad for a foreigner…but deep down inside…you must know…that you have lost the battle… I wish you to stay happy wherever you go….you did what you had to do….but….it is sad…because ..everyone thought…if George can do it…why can’t we?…..but we’ve been wrong before….and you aren’t the one…Recommend

  • Naseer
    Mar 6, 2011 - 10:06AM

    @SK Ayubi:

    What a lame comment….it is true that we are in a dire state..but..certainly we are not a failed state…you are just trying to justify yourself….accept the truth that you have abandoned your beloved in the wilderness….Pakistan will stay and the corrupt society will be wiped out….

    I’m just sad for you that you have just left something you once truly loved….how unfortunate you are….you don’t know it…but you are a tragedy…..
    We need to correct ourselves…..before we can bring in any change….we need to correct ourselves first…individual basis…and the society will improve…eventually
    the moment we will stop self pitying, blaming others, unnecessary despair, fleeing, abandoning….etc etc…only then Allah will make us think again…Pakistan ZindabadRecommend

  • Naseer
    Mar 6, 2011 - 10:16AM

    @Mehnaz:

    I don’t think it was a rant?….although she was sort of angry but made all the valid points….why do you think its a rant??Recommend

  • Mar 6, 2011 - 11:25AM

    @Meerza

    If Pakistan did Mumbai thing, what about India’s involvement in our province Balochistan?

    Since you are interested in the affairs of Balochistan, here is what the Advocate General said in the Pakistani Supreme Court,

    Significantly even Balochistan’s Advocate General (AG) Salahuddin Mengal stated in Supreme Court that, “We are recovering dead bodies day in and day out as the Frontier Corps (FC) and police are lifting people in broad daylight at will, but we are helpless. Who can check the FC?”

    I wonder why the AG talked about FC and not RAW. Could it be because he was under oath to tell the truth in the Supreme Court. Please read your own papers carefully instead of reading ISI handouts.Details at
    http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201136\story6-3-2011pg3_2Recommend

  • dr hammad hassan
    Mar 6, 2011 - 11:29AM

    what can i say to george everyone is leaving this country .Dil khon ke ansoo roota hai. hunderds of thousands of genious doctors engineeers and other r leaving the country but the govt is sleeping . Media is sleeping. so what about the brain drain from pakistan. Recommend

  • Mar 6, 2011 - 3:47PM

    In the wake of extremism in a society; civility ought to take a flight to safe haven.Recommend

  • Mar 6, 2011 - 4:17PM

    @nehal:

    What you have said is very sensible but it does not go far enough. The process of change you talk about is painfully slow because of the erection of what George Fulton calls the “Berlin Wall”.

    Please read the following two articles, which may possibly make you think a little differently.

    http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=34403&Cat=9

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/01/punjab-governments-own-goal.html
    [do read all the comments at the end of this article – you are very welcome to leave your own comments]Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Mar 6, 2011 - 5:47PM

    George of the Jungle! I am sorry; our jungle here does not grow that vine which could take your
    weight and let you swing from limb to limb. However you had the opportunity seek help from your benefactor now living in your jungle, to let you import vine from Sherwood forest and grow here so that Jane and You could swing with ease. What do you propose to do now that you are
    back in your childhood jungle, seek blessing from Thomas Becket at Canterbury and don the robes or join King Henry’s stables as the livery boy. If that does not work sail to Tasmania.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Mar 6, 2011 - 6:12PM

    GEORGE-JAN,

    Pehelay George V1 th ka British India thaa !!

    Whoh din ab beet gayay haiN.

    Ab aap bhee ja rahay haiN ?Recommend

  • Shehla Gill
    Mar 6, 2011 - 6:53PM

    You are not the first one nor the last one to leave Pakistan for the reasons you have quoted. However, as you are ‘really’ not a Pakistani, it is understandable. The real problem is the brain drain caused by our ‘so-called’ professionals, who settle in the promised land for their own selfish desires. The absolute unprofessional-ism of our ‘professionals’ creates a vacuum which is filled by the stooges we all see in the army, establishment and politics.
    Pakistan has survived all of this before and WILL do so in future. Thanks for lamenting about ‘our’ country. You are certainly not to blame as you have certainly tried your best, but the crocodile’s tears we see our elite shedding over our real issues while sitting in plush studios and drawing rooms is the real tragedy. Most of those have their own children settled abroad and have no ‘use’ of this country. They are the first to leave, and as the popular proverb, ‘The mice are the first to abandon a sinking ship’
    So good luck to the mice, who run away. After all, even if you win the rat race, you’re still a rat! Recommend

  • moderate view
    Mar 7, 2011 - 1:01AM

    indeed it is army behind our ill.even if army is not directly ruling the country,it never gives civilians complete authority to take decesions and i think all of us know about it.Recommend

  • M Bilal Ali
    Mar 7, 2011 - 1:55AM

    Though i have not followed you from your so called humble beginning in the reality show, but after reading the two parts of your article, i conclude two things;
    1) You have just stated the obvious, even a matriculate Pakistani can easily point these things out
    2) Please refrain from using the terms; i embraced, i adopted or homely love for Pakistan. If you truly and honestly did that then you would not have left it in hard and testing times. This is not like a Pakistani (we never have and we never will give up to reinstall this country with core values defined by its liberal founder). i would like to sum this relationship by quoting “your country’s” great Mr George washington quote
    True friendship is a plant of slow growth and must undergo the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to appellation
    unquote
    So please quit while you can and we on the other hand will continue to fight for our motherland

    Ps:i pity the fools who mourn your departure. innocent people like these are easily corrupted/demoralized by such events… Recommend

  • Shameem A Khalid
    Mar 7, 2011 - 8:26AM

    Thank you George for putting down your candid comments; these will be useful to those here who wish to see a positive change in our society. Your parting note is a service to Pakistani people.Your departure makes me sad but most of us understand. I and my friends wish you good luck wherever you are. And – you are welcome to come back, as and when the situation improves here. You got married here, and it is a tradition here to always treat our sons-in-law with respect and regard.

    Best wishes,
    KHALID Recommend

  • Tabs
    Mar 7, 2011 - 2:36PM

    Oh stop this nonsense. If he wants to go because his wife’s visa finally came through then let him.Recommend

  • Farooq Malik
    Mar 7, 2011 - 4:36PM

    Excellent write up Goerge. We need to take notice as you came from outside Pakistan with a fresh and unbiased perspective. I agree about the top brass of our Army; they have done nothing but fiddle with our growth in every sense. They cost us East Pakistan without fighting. They need to be accountable so that we can invest in our people rather than these rulers in uniform.

    Kargil is an excellent example of how the Army thinks it can do anything it likes. There should be an enquiry so that we can take people like Perzez Mush to justice.

    Stay in touch with Pakistan, Goerge. You know it wont be easy to get it out of your system.

    Allah hafiz my friend! Recommend

  • Affaird of Army
    Mar 7, 2011 - 5:31PM

    @Waqas Ahmed:

    Yes It is the Army which has ruled most of the time since independence. Recommend

  • zaka
    Mar 8, 2011 - 3:20PM

    Once upon a time you wrote

    “Hope is contagious

    Optimism and hope are emotional triggers that are sadly all too absent from our media and our national dialogue. Instead we revel in fear, pessimism and despondency. A contagious negative state that further perpetuates fear, pessimism and despondency. Why can’t we recalibrate this vicious cycle? “Recommend

  • TARIQ
    Mar 9, 2011 - 12:44AM

    we hope pak stables soon &u ;kiran and faiz COME BACK 2 where u belong! Best of luck may GOD b with u always;.NO GOOD BYES………..CAUSE SEE U SOON !Recommend

  • N Ahmed
    Mar 9, 2011 - 4:31AM

    I think you are doing right thing at this moment of time. I can understand, you probably recieving threads from ISI+Taliban for speaking out…..but salute your courage to stay for such a long time and contribute a lot to the society, well done and hope to see you around back here in the UK;)
    ThanksRecommend

  • Mirza Faraz Baig
    Mar 10, 2011 - 12:51PM

    Well, this is why you really want to leave Pakistan because you want your son Faiz’s upbringing in a better and a safer place. You being a British – origin Pakistani wouldn’t leave Pakistan and us for nothing, not just because your mother-in-law told you so. Well then that’s the best you can do because you have a choice and you opted for it. That makes me believe you are a good father besides being a good human-being. That’s ALL Pakistan needs from you ‘you being a good human-being ultimately a good citizen’. And DON’T surrender your “citizenship”.Recommend

  • Mar 10, 2011 - 3:09PM

    By implying that his little Faiz deserves better, he is simultaneously implying that we’ve never had or never seen better and while we continue to live in privation he’d be making a better life for himself out there and while he is opting a better life for his child, the ones who live here are not doing so.

    http://rabiakb.blogspot.com/Recommend

  • Manahil
    Mar 10, 2011 - 4:03PM

    Bye byeee Georgee!
    if you truly were a Pakistani you wouldn’t be leaving because we will never abandon our country nomatter and will fight for it till the end.
    if you cant be with us at our worst times then you don’t deserve us at our best either.
    goodluck! no hard feelings. ouuww yeeeah.Recommend

  • Maria
    Mar 11, 2011 - 10:06AM

    @Riz: I don’t know who you are fooling? Pakistanis in the West don’t wish to be called Indian Muslims any more than Arabs wish to be called their semitic neighbors the Israelis. In fact for most native Pakistanis, particularly Pashtun, Baluch, Kashmiri and Punjabi, being called an Indian is still seen as a curse. I suspect you yourself are some Indian who has his own wish projections about Akhund Bharat.Those of us who are educated see the scourge of terrorism for what it is- criminality that has nothing do with our faith or nationality. We also know why the region has been destabilized in the great game of foreign powers including the time of the Soviet invasion. As for the presence of confused Pakistanis; Yes there are some black sheep who will try everything to disavow their background and try to pretend that they are new citizens of their adopted land but invariably they incur the ridicule of both the natives of their adopted land as well as other Pakistanis.George has gone home- good for him. Our home remains our home because it is ours alone. We have made mistakes but we can fix them as well.Recommend

  • Maria
    Mar 11, 2011 - 10:18AM

    @Zain: Give it a rest “Zain” ; You’re not a British Pakistani but a British Indian. No one in Britain who is Pakistani says he is Indian and no one who is Arab in USA says he is Israeli because they don’t won’t to be associated with the problems of Muslim countries.Recommend

  • Iffat
    Mar 11, 2011 - 1:35PM

    The article is exactly what it is: a personal perspective, though the tone is quite venomous. I wish George had written something about his good times in Pakistan at least for comparision sake.

    I wonder how did you survive your “good” 9 years George? (Supposedly the best under the last army rule:)& other than your mom-in-law what exactly motivated you to finally leave so abruptly?

    By the way I’vve attended a live talk by Dr Pervaiz Hoodbhoy. He only has a narrative but no answers or solutions.Recommend

  • Muhammad Bilal Ashraf
    Mar 12, 2011 - 11:30AM

    no, Mr. George! don’t be so impulsive in drawing conclusions. Things are not so simple as you’ve supposed. The very analogy of your love affair is wrong. your relationship with Pakistan is not a simple matter of infatuation, it is rather a case of “filial ingratitude”.
    Pakistan, as a mother, adopted you after you had been motherless in your own land. This land adopted you, gave you all the filial love and care, kept you warm long enough to shake off the chill of your bones caused by your native hate and indifference.
    Today, you decide to quit when your mom is bleeding, sick and dying. But never think it’s over. If she can help you grow stronger enough to be indifferent to any human weakness, she also can grow flowers in the native mud.
    Our Sufi poets like Waris Shah and Mian Muhammad Bakhsh already told us of your kind of sons, but we believe in love and sacrifice. Yes, sometimes, we even start killing in the name of love.
    Your very own Shakespeare’s character says:
    “……….filial ingratitude,
    Is it not as this mouth should tear this hand,
    For lifting food to it.”Recommend

  • Bilal
    Mar 12, 2011 - 1:47PM

    @Zubair Khan:
    Mister Zubair, i reall feel for u, listening a foreigner remarks about ur country and then ur Army and then really believing them is insane. it is the same as u go to america or Britain and live there 9 years and just after 15 years u start pointing out problems in that country and come out. just think on the first place do u ever had any right to point out there problems, NO
    it was never your country never it will be. You dont like that place just go away. and dude!
    this Army giving sacrificing and will keep on sacrificing, and what they demand in return from you? just respect. It is the Army that is preventing a total collapse. Just see around what is the thing after which all the world is?
    Economy, Industry, Electricity, Trade?? NO
    we have nothing? then still why we r not collapsed?
    its only this institution which is preventing that to happen. and had it not been here. Whole country would have been handed over to Rascal TTP.

    I recommend you should study more and then have an opinion about your own damn Army. May GOD be with youRecommend

  • Bilal
    Mar 12, 2011 - 1:56PM

    @ george
    You came at your will, you r going at your own. It was bound to happen that you return and here it happens. Good Luck
    but watever u said isn’t true. calling our Army the bad name, you dont have any right to do so. You dont like this place just go away.
    Difficult times come in nation’s life. This is one of them. Man is the one who standby with this comrades his countrymen when they need him the most. those who went away in difficult times, they dont have a country at all. Recommend

  • zainab
    Mar 12, 2011 - 2:46PM

    u leave because its the easy thing to do.Recommend

  • Hamid Baloch
    Mar 12, 2011 - 9:15PM

    Dear George,
    How come when Hindus slaughter Muslims and other minorities it does not become a failed state but TTP killings make Pakistan a failed state? You seems to speak the language of western media who thinks India can do no wrong and Pakistan is the cause for all ills in the world. Thanks for 9 years. Good luck in UK. Recommend

  • Mar 15, 2011 - 9:18AM

    Compliments to George for an exhaustive description and analysis of the prevailing situation. Obviously, areas requiring elaborations and missing links with respect to local customs, culture and traditions exist.However, the narrative fails to propose any hints as to ways and means to adopt a corrective path. It is proposed that George’s narrative is read along with the concepts contained in http://www.yata-alliance.org. The urgent requirement is to come up with guidelines, concepts and ideas leading to arresting of the situation as a minimum.Recommend

  • Mar 15, 2011 - 1:02PM

    I have hope and I pray to God that it remains with me, because even though I have the opportunity to leave, I want to stay and make my life here. This country is my first love, my first and last addiction and my canvas.

    [email protected] Recommend

  • Kamran
    Mar 15, 2011 - 7:36PM

    Now that you have decided to leave Pk, and I think its a wise move, at least play your part and be an active critic of the British Govt’s policies supporting the wars for profit and feeding curropt leaders of 4rd world countries like Pakistan for their own benefit.Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Mar 15, 2011 - 7:48PM

    We all have a choice. We all quote Imran Khan and consider him a hero. I salute him for making a choice. He could have easily retired and stayed in UK. But he preffered his country over everything, ultimately even leaving his wife. I totally agree with everything you have said George, i seriously do. But i would not give up on my country or its people, you think i might be disillusioned, and probably all of us are, but i guess thats the difference, with all the bad that this country has, it survives, and it will survive. Because their our people who still believe that they can make a difference.
    I myself was shocked with Taseer’s death, and i realized every third person in our society is of the same opinion, but you need to give this country time, it is in its juvenile state, and it probably is taking longer then usual to mature. And i believe every big nation has gone through the same phase, USA, UK, i am sure if you read history the early 18th and 19th century was full of bloodshed, because they were still trying to explore their identity, the difference is 21st century is a more educated century, and in our case education is what we lack. In due time i am sure , things will change and will be better (disillusioned i guess), but i believe every nation has a leader, and ours still has to come (ofcourse after Jinnah). And i am sure when your son Faiz grows up, he might even ask you “why did you leave such an amazing country like Pakistan?” I hope by then things will be better and if not then i would be proven wrong and you can show him the two articles that you wrote:).

    I loved your columns, and i feel you could make a difference if you stayed. We all wish you would reconsider.

    Regards

    AhmedRecommend

  • Waseem
    Mar 16, 2011 - 4:48PM

    Thank you for reducing number of losers on the land of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Kumail Wasif
    Mar 16, 2011 - 5:26PM

    George you haven’t done your research and your piece is immature.

    It’s like if I go to America, start calling the US military a ‘mercenary force’ without regard for the honour of hundreds of thousands US servicemen and their families, and when people stop loving me a bit I just pack my bags and blame the US-military-CIA-industrial complex and rant about how the US is destined to fail as a country.

    Just because you are ‘white’ doesn’t mean your views must be given the very highest regards compared to the rest of us. Many Pakistanis raise your concerns, and many disagree, but none throw a tantrum. You’ve only succeeded in giving credibility to people in our country who think westerners are arrogant, selfish, demeaning and unreliable.

    No country is perfect, and neither are you. So BYE BYE :DRecommend

  • Saima Tariq Khan
    Mar 18, 2011 - 10:03PM

    Since your mother-in-law has asked you to leave you really must oblige.

    Sad that you think it appropriate to quote someone’s SMS publicly.

    As for your censure of the view that many blame the CIA, RAW and MOSSAD for the troubles we face – the case of Raymond Davis is a clear indication that there is notorious activity being undertaken by these agencies for the destabilization of Pakistan. This can no longer be labelled as paranoia.

    All that you have to say about Pakistan is your own opinion – and all spoken as an outsider.Recommend

  • Babar
    Mar 19, 2011 - 11:51AM

    I don’t blame you George as I feel this same frustration. But I can’t leave Pakistan, I don’t have that luxury. Even if I do leave, everyone I care for is still here. So it doesn’t serve my purpose. I have made my choice to stay, i.e. stay and fight – my own little war of ideas. Ideas that are not accepted and tolerated here but I will still fight.

    Anyhow, I wish you, Kiren and Faiz best of life.Recommend

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