Pakistan

US Consulate denies knowledge of SUV in Lahore shooting

US Consulate tells CCPO that Raymond Davis is a diplomat working in Pakistan as protestors take to the streets.

Express February 02, 2011

LAHORE: The US Consulate on Wednesday said it had no link to, or knowledge of, either the SUV or the occupants of the vehicle that crushed to death one person after the shooting incident in the city in which an American citizen shot and killed two people.

Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Muhammad Aslam Tarin, who paid a visit to the US Consulate to discuss the case with the Consul General, was told by officials there that Raymond Davis was a diplomat working in Pakistan under the full cover of diplomatic immunity granted to him under the Geneva Convention.

Davis has a diplomatic passport: Malik

Interior Minister Rehman Malik told the senate that Raymond Davis had a diplomatic passport and he was given a Pakistani visa after security clearance.

He said that the federal government did not intend to influence the case, adding that the media was intentionally trying to create misunderstanding between the provincial and federal governments.

Malik said that Davis' name had been placed on the Exit Control List as ordered by the Lahore High Court.

‘Only Foreign Office should issue visas’

Opposition leader in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, while addressing the session of the lower house today said that visas to foreigners should only be issued by the Foreign Office.

He pointed out that visas were currently being issued by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the Foreign Office, the Interior Ministry, the Presidency and the Prime Minister's House.

He also said that the government should avoid trying to give an impression that it is giving in to American pressure in the Davis case.

Relatives refuse to pardon shooter

Relatives of the three men killed, who held a joint news conference in Lahore today, said that they refused to pardon the shooter, adding that the American embassy should hand over other officials involved in the incident to the police.

They also said that they had been offered American visas for withdrawing the case, which they would not accept, instead demanding that the court should rule on the case.

COMMENTS (65)

vicky | 13 years ago | Reply at last america wins and Get Pakistani justice in the pocket with the blady dollars ............. This is just because of our blady politition which is deputed to serve american Govt not to help full ever for pakistanin .........

n | 13 years ago | Reply @American, Well, allow me to tell you something here. America is paying for the services they require of Pakistan. This is called "trade". So no favour is being done here to Pakistan! if America thinks that if they trade with a country they do a favour then they need to wake up and understand that they have a NEED too and so the services are taken. Sorry to say, America is not paying for any Pakistani's lunch at all. Our civilians and troops are sacrificing their lives in these operations to let America have lunch. You are right we have no money and no will and just a negative threat. How will we be able to generate money if the Army that is just working on your so called WAR ON TERROR takes up 65% of budget to provide America services. In return America pays by giving a loan. Excuse me, when you pay for a service that does not have to be a loan? We have no will. Will for what? Will to help you? Or you mean every Pakistani should write their will and wait for the drone. Please note AMERICAN CIVILIANS are not dying in war on terror. PAKISTANI CIVILIANS are being killed in this war. This war is imposed on us. We were living peacefully before this war. This war has been imposed on us and has caused a lot of hassle. People are not happy about it and its been so long they have been living in this state of mind that they have lost will. So before you criticize Pak for not having will you need to understand why it extinguished. Once the war ends Pak will be peaceful! Regarding the "negative threat". Every threat is negative so no need to lay a wrong kind of emphasis. We all know as you sow so shall you reap. When Pak and US are on different lines there comes a threat of restructuring loans so that Pak gets more indebted. Every nuclear power is a threat to another country so that's not a trait just associated with Pakistan. Pakistan and China are neighbours and have a wonderful relationship. Pakistan imposes no threat to China. So your claim "Threat of creating mayhem in neighboring countries.' is weigh less. Now, if you come to Pak-India relations that is not US business (however, US loves to make every business it's own)! So no point stressing on something that is out of scope of this discussion. regarding "Threat of sending terrorists to USA, UK and other countries". Thank you for reacting in the similar fashion by sending Davis down to shoot till death two civilians. USA just proved to be so like Pakistan on this isnt it? Who understands better than a Pakistani what extremism is. America is not facing suicide bombing due to war on terror. Pakistan is paying that price as a favour to America. All we are looking for is a normal life. A life free of this war. A war is supposed to safeguard the interests of civilians. This war is killing civilians. You are after one guy and look you have turned the land red with blood killing so many civilians. So whom do you think is being an extremist?

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pakistani | 13 years ago | Reply u knw you cant get out of the afghan war that easily. remembr wat heppened to the USSR? your president says he is going to withdraw the troops? lets see how that turns out. and we are NOT a threat to any one!!! ur country is a threat for evryone with ur enormous nuclear weapons stash.... and still you point fingers at us???

pakisoljah4life | 13 years ago | Reply Every body knows that the Guy is not diplomat,2days before the incident he was not the list of diplomatic personel.it is true that in the past decade our leaders have been acting like slaves to americans,but the people of pakistan are not slave to anybody,our forefathers have paid a huge price for the freedom we enjoy today,we ll not let anybody tell us what to do in our own country.He commited two murders in cold blood and he should be prosecuted for that.I think our leader(mainly ppp) should grow some balls and tell the americans that the covert CIA operations in Pakistan will not be permitted any longer.We never had these problems like sectarian violence,civil unrest,taliban,mujahedeen etc..it is the americans who brought the war next door and along with it all the mess we are in today,WAKE UP PAKISTAN

American | 13 years ago | Reply @pakistani: You are simply confirming what I said...your negative threat of stopping transport via Pakistan is real, valid, and true. We know it "DAMN well", as you say. Similarly the other threats..that Pakistan is throwing around are also not fiction.. When patience runs out, US can just leave Af-Pak and go home. You should know "DAMN well" what happens then...The entire Af-Pak will be subjected to Taliban rule, and Taliban justice. Surrounded by Nations who will wary, alert, and ready to go to war. Enjoy !

pakistani | 13 years ago | Reply @american u seriously need to get your facts rite. if we dont allow ur goods to be transported through pakistan you would suffer a TERIBBLE loss in afghan war. dont u remember what happened when we stopped the UN trucks? do you want me to remind you? and yea you are giving us money cuz u need our help and u knw that DAMN well.

American | 13 years ago | Reply @n “there are no free lunches in Pakistan for you anymore” America is not having any free lunches in Pakistan. It is paying for all its lunches in Pakistan. It is also paying for Pakistani Government Employee's lunches. It is also paying for Pakistani Army's lunches. In fact, what exactly is Pakistan paying for ? You have no money, no will, and all you have is a negative threat. Threat to cut off supplies. Threat of imploding Threat of nuclear war. Threat of creating creating mayhem in neighboring countries. Threat of sending terrorists to UK, USA, and other countries. Wake up, and smell the extremism taht is eating you up...

n | 13 years ago | Reply @American - OK take away Davis. Who needs him anyway. But only if you: - Waive off all IMF, Worldbank and US loans! - Quit drones and leave Pakistan. We would trade him for the life of our civilians - No more anti-terrorist servies required. Thank you. For you killl more of civilians (over 1000) for 59 terrorists. Thank you America "there are no free lunches in Pakistan for you anymore" so pack up honey and let our civilians live! Once you leave, we may have a hard time to restructure and rebuild ourselves. But after that we will have a rainbow! Please go for we do not want to see our civilians' blood on your hands anymore- be it by drone or gun shot or by suicide bombers who kill because Pakistan decided to support America in the war on terror. Enough lives have been lost, enough damage done ...Please leave some Pakistani lungs to breathe the air of a new decade.

pakistani | 13 years ago | Reply let me say one thing to those not in pakistan plz dnt talk abt pakistan. u dnt knw wats gng on here. u wana talk by giving solid reznz thn sure.

SA | 13 years ago | Reply @bvindh: LOL ok now I get the sarcasm.. As for having replied twice I thought I failed to post the first one after having typed it. And BTW not one hour its some twenty-ish minutes :)

wh | 13 years ago | Reply @Umar: The justice system in Pakistan released the murderers who bombed the Marriott hotel in Islamabad. The robbers who tried to kill Davis were found with cell phones of their other victims. Pakistan has no sense. Please America end all aid to Pakistan. Time for them to grow up.

ana | 13 years ago | Reply @Sharma Stick yourself to the discussion. the dmocracy you boost of is well known world over. As for the diplomatic activities of mr Davis ; his visits to madrasas and calls to Waziristan Agency are coming in lime ligt now. Let's see how well has this diplomat woked for USA and you people.

Sharma | 13 years ago | Reply Democracy is dead in pakistan. Why not behave like mushy, and demand 100000 dollar for 1 human.

bvindh | 13 years ago | Reply @SA, My comments were intended to be satirical. But, it's curious that you came back after one hour to post a slightly different version of your previous reply.

American | 13 years ago | Reply @pakistani: Legally that Pakistani diplomat is covered by immunity and cannot be prosecuted, unless Pakistan government waives immunity. Practically what will happen could be different....depending on circumstances, relative strengths, needs, and mutual dependencies. In the worst case, when Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand was murdered in Sarajevo, it resulted in War. Again, practically speaking...Pakistan handed over Pakistani citizens to Guantanamo, for money ($ per person), without any reference to any Pakistani Court or legal process.

American | 13 years ago | Reply @Proud Pakistani: "Consular Officer" who is not a "diplomat" covered by immunity...

SA | 13 years ago | Reply @bvindh: Lame coomment! Do you know the diffrence between cloak and burqa? Do you reckon the two psychos in Wes Craven's SCREAM were actually playing muslims??

SA | 13 years ago | Reply @bvindh: Your vocabulary needs improvement. I guess you believe the two psychos wore BURQAS in Wes Craven's scream and were actually playing muslims???? LOL!

pakistani | 13 years ago | Reply @ american what if one of our diplomats killed the american president? will our diplomats get immunity?

bvindh | 13 years ago | Reply why are all the protesters dressed in burqas?

SA | 13 years ago | Reply @QuranVsHadith: Are you trying to suggest we let him go just because there's a lot of killing already going on around? What a ridiculous plea!

Proud Pakistani | 13 years ago | Reply @American: Even if the American murderer was a diplomat (which is disputed): Article 41 Section 1 of the Vienna Convention on the Consular Relations states that: ‘Consular officer shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a grave crime.' Double murder and an accomplice in a third hit and run case is quite some crime!

SYED ADEEB | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistani press-media should demand that PML-N Punjab Chief Minister M. Shahbaz Sharif, PML-N Punjab Law Minister Rana Sana Ullah Khan, Punjab Home Secretary, IG Punjab Police and Lahore Police Chief must resign immediately, because they reportedly allowed all hit & run killers of an innocent Pakistani man - who was illegally killed on 27-1-2011 in Lahore by a car of American "diplomats" - to run away from the US Lahore Consulate General (out of Pakistan) to the USA, Afghanistan, or elsewhere in the world. It is their official law-enforcement duty to arrest all hit & run murderers of Pakistanis, but during the last 9 days they deliberately failed to do so. Therefore, all those PML-N Punjab rulers, police officers and other law-enforcement officials - who are guilty of this criminal negligence, incompetence, or corruption - must resign now.

Sajeel | 13 years ago | Reply are you a complete idiot Mr. Gill to believe this that he has always had a diplomatic passport, wake up buddy or are you another brown sahib.@Arroon Gill:

SYED ADEEB | 13 years ago | Reply Pakistani press-media should demand that PML-N Punjab Chief Minister M. Shahbaz Sharif, PML-N Punjab Law Minister Rana Sana Ullah Khan, Punjab Home Secretary, IG Punjab Police and Lahore Police Chief must resign immediately, because they reportedly allowed all hit & run killers of an innocent Pakistani man - who was illegally killed on 27-1-2011 in Lahore by a car of American "diplomats" - to run away from the US Lahore Consulate General (out of Pakistan) to the USA, Afghanistan, or elsewhere in the world. It is their official law-enforcement duty to arrest all hit & run murderers of Pakistanis, but during the last 8 days they deliberately failed to do so. Therefore, all those PML-N Punjab rulers, police officers and other law-enforcement officials - who are guilty of this criminal negligence, incompetence, or corruption - must resign now.

paki-solja-4life | 13 years ago | Reply The govt of Islamic republic of Pakistan(our beloved country) has made a joke out of our foreign policy,dignity and any thing which might keep our head up.US embassy staff are in fact CIA operatives running covert operation inside Pakistan,it involves target killing,social unrest and sectarian violence.They are doing all it is possible to destabilize Pakistan and on the other hand offering our enemies trade deals and memberships of security counsel and NSG.I think its about time that we realize what our national interests are,put our priorities in order and keep our honor,dignity and self respect above all.If we will not learn to respect ourselves,no body else will.

Jam Sajjad Hussain | 13 years ago | Reply I think we as Pakistani should avoid giving as facts to baseless commentary over this sensitive case. The man using nickname as Raymond Davis has violated laws of Pakistani constitution and he must be punished in accordance with the law but we should not intermingle facts and analysis because this is a very sensitive and national issue associated with a large number of interests including our dignity and honour. But the killer must be dealt according to the law at any cost......

Chilli | 13 years ago | Reply This was understood that Davis will be pardoned once public anger melt down. Our leaders are just dollar politicians who have already sold their country. They have palaces in France and UK where they will enjoy rest of their lives. Be ready to become slave again..

American | 13 years ago | Reply @gondal ke: No this is not a threat...this is common sense. It applies to all our personal lives as well, in family, at work place, and in society.. that every one is free to take actions that are good, or foolish, and that each action has a consequence. The current situation is a consequence of supporting jihadists against Russians. During the original action, both America and Pakistan saw immediate benefit but may not have thought of the consequences. Today's actions of supporting terrorists will have consequences tomorrow. As they say in America..."there is no free lunch"

Amanat Ali | 13 years ago | Reply Bakwas what immunity for killing peoples. Is there any clause in Geneva convention which allows diplomats to kill innocent peoples. NO at all.But our Govt is a begger and working as a slave of US and going to protect the bloody Davis. But courts should take up the case and should be punished like a killer.

Nasir | 13 years ago | Reply @American: Dear Americans, It is evident, when Americans are stuck in some situation, there are all national and international laws to protect them. When it is time to occupy a country like Iraq/ Afghanistan/ Vietnam, they are above the international law and no American solder can be tried in any court. What a civilized nation are you. Salute to Americans... Great Nation.

baber | 13 years ago | Reply @Arroon Gill: you are right aroon. we should let him go and also let other foreigners know that HUNTING SEASON BEGINS, at very reasonable charges.

QuranVsHadith | 13 years ago | Reply ok.....so let me get this straight....it is ok for Pakistanis to kill each other every single day....such as today with 10 killed in a car bombing....but if someone else kills in self defence he is a cold blooded murderer? Pakistan needs to take a look in the mirror and perhaps crack open that book they claim to hold so dear.....the Holy Quran.

Umar | 13 years ago | Reply @kumar: There are too many unanswered questions. We may never know th truth, but the 2 so called robbers carrying legit weapons vs Mr. Self defence not authorised to carry a weapon, "robbers" not getting shot in the front, rather almost in the back and now US denying the knowledge of the SUV that run the pedestrian over sounds really fishy.

Altaf Shakoor | 13 years ago | Reply Najam Sethi should know that Aafia is a Pakistani national - nothing else. And this is mentioned by Judge Berman in the final order also (who gave sentence to Aafia Siddiqui). Then why Sethi is misleading the nation. He is not an ordinary man. He is a senior journalist. But loyalties are with Americans. Shame on Sethi and others who are not sincere with their nation. Why they are silent on Aafia? for details www.freeaafia.org www.aafiamovement.com

Taimur | 13 years ago | Reply Call in Jack Baur.

F Robinson | 13 years ago | Reply Raymond Davis is a US diplomat and he has diplomatic immunity.Pakistan should obey international law and let him go.

XX | 13 years ago | Reply If he hasn't done anything wrong then why're they so scared? They should just be demanding for a quick trial so he doesn't have to spend so much in police custody, and asking for him to be on house arrest instead of in jail. I'm sure he'll be acquitted fairly easily in light of his obvious innocence?

American | 13 years ago | Reply Why did Georgia waive immunity ? The government of Georgia was within its legal rights under international law and Vienna convention to refuse waiver and insist on enforcing diplomatic immunity. Why did it, instead, allow prosecution in USA of its diplomat ? Georgia was in a predicament...it is adjacent to a powerful and unfriendly neighbor (Russia) and a far away ally (USA). It could not displease that far away ally. Should sound familiar to Pakistanis. Why did India refuse to waive immunity ? Economically, UK needed favors from India..not the other way around...it could insist on its rights and afford to displease UK.

Mirza Abeer | 13 years ago | Reply @Aamir+Ali No, I dont. I simply stated that even if the case was so then there is a work around. Plus the link below is proof that this is not the case. http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/31/arrested-us-national-does-not-have-diplomatic-visa-documents.html @American 1. I never said that the USA was waiving it. I stated that immunity can be waived since you said in your earlier comment that the Law gives immunity. Whereas the US can of course demand immunity as is its right according to law but when atrocities are committed then some times the state can take measures to rectify the situation. 2. Again that is what I meant. Pakistan's request can be refused but since he does not have immunity then that argument is irrelevant. Actually when the crime is committed by anyone without immunity(see link above) then the courts have jurisdiction. @Copper Ill keep that in mind :P

gondal ke | 13 years ago | Reply @ american......... Of course, any one can do any thing, with different end results, and appropriate consequences......... is it a some sort of threat?????? and my dear....if your court can summon our isi chief then our court has right to question your killer spy rymond davis and his motives of visit of such a conggested area of qartaba chowk. and my dear a diplomat dont need to posses hollow revolver which is internationally baned, niether he needs a mask and telescope. please let the court work and if you have any problem regarding jurisdiction of court, you can chalange it. if u american ppl get the rymond released by putting pressure, ppl anger may be worst. thats all gondal ke

Abbas Khan | 13 years ago | Reply Please stop your point scoring game. Think about poor families. This is the time to get some compensation for them, as always is the end result of most murders in our society. With passage of time, more actors will enter in arena to take their share in pie. If anyone is sincere with victim families and not blinded with hate, revenge or greed, then come forward and solve it to the benefit of families.

NGO | 13 years ago | Reply Guys, I'm working with this visas in Islamabad a lot and problem is that visa showed in this article http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/31/arrested-us-national-does-not-have-diplomatic-visa-documents.html IS a DIPLOMATIC VISA! This is so called first entry visa (standard for all diplomats and officials) given by pakistani embassy usually for period of 3 months. After this diplomat has to apply in MoFA for multiple entry long term visa. Also note the letters "CD" in visa number. This stands for "corps diplomatique" - no need to translate. Last but not least, term "official business" is nothing unusual in diplomatic visas. It's always either "official business" or "official duty" (depends which embassy is printing this). It does not mean that this is business visa!

Dr. Ali Ahmed | 13 years ago | Reply the landcrusier in question is silver colored LC100, body armed

karachiite | 13 years ago | Reply this is so ironic, offered American "VISA" not nationality but "VISA" ... allies like these who need enemy

American | 13 years ago | Reply @Copper The idea behind the Vienna Convention was that suspects faced the law, and were to be prosecuted, in their country. Not that they will have a license to kill or do any thing else and go free. US and UK soldiers were prosecuted in their home country, and given prison sentences for actions in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is to prevent lynching (Sialkot) and "hang him from the pole" (Kabul) type of law that happens in some countries, but is not acceptable in other countries.

American | 13 years ago | Reply @Copper: The idea behind the Vienna Convention was that suspects faced the law, and were to be prosecuted, in their country. Not that they will have a license to kill or do any thing else and go free. US and UK soldiers were prosecuted in their home country, and given prison sentences for actions in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is to prevent lynching and "hang him from the pole" type of law that happens in some countries, but is not acceptable in other countries.

Copper | 13 years ago | Reply So as a layman, any one with diplomatic immunity can violate any law, kill any number of people. Long live vienna convention. Diplomatic Immunity = Licence to Kill !! @Mirza Abeer: please don't tell the institution name when wrting something thats contradictory :)

Aoun | 13 years ago | Reply Weather law gives immunity or not, he has committed grave crime, moreover they are denying about the information regarding whereabouts of SUV, hiding the crime, giving refuge to murderers who hit an innocent passer by, does Geneva convention or Vienna conventions discuss some crimes, who else could have come to help him? whom he called? who made the video? are they difficult question to answered my Ramon Davis, or he was under influence

American | 13 years ago | Reply @Mirza Abeer I am not a law student, so cannot cite case law..but the examples you gave work against your logic: 1) Georgia waived immunity for an event that occurred in USA. In this case, for the American in Pakistan, USA has to waive immunity; but the US Government, far from waiving, is actually demanding immunity. 2) UK asked India to remove immunity for an event that occurred in UK. India refused. Bottom line: Pakistan can ask; but it is USA's prerogative to waive immunity. As regards other items you stated...do they pertain to Pakistani Law ? If so, they don't apply here. Only international law and Vienna Convention applies here. By that measure, Lahore High Court has no jurisdiction in this situation, and should have properly refused to take cognizance of this case. Of course, any one can do any thing, with different end results, and appropriate consequences..

Aamir+Ali | 13 years ago | Reply @Mirza Abeer So you accept that Mr Davis has immunity. The US position is that since he killed the two Pakistanis in self-defense, and he has immunity, he should be released.

Mirza Abeer | 13 years ago | Reply @American 1. Immunity can be waived for Diplomats where crime is of a atrocious nature. See the GUEORGI MAKHARADZE case. Where Georgia waived the immunity for him to be tried for murder in USA. Also the UK has asked India to remove Immunity for the ‘Wife beater’ diplomat. 2. Laws can be made to have retrospective effect and See R v R [1992] 1 AC 599 3. A crime committed when it was once Legal can be punished even if a law prohibiting it does not exist. Shaw v Director of Public Prosecutions [1962] AC 220 This is the Law! The first point is infact International Law. Im a LLB HONS student @ SMLaw College

The Eagle | 13 years ago | Reply This is a very confusing case and one hopes that the truth will come out. Pictures I saw of Mr. Davis passport in the Dawn newspaper did not seem to of a visa issued to a diplomat. The visa, pictured here http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/31/arrested-us-national-does-not-have-diplomatic-visa-documents.html, says that he was admitted for three months on "official business." The visa was valid for a single use with a maximum stay of three months. This sounds like he was an official visitor on some sort of government assignment, but that type of status is usually not covered under the Geneva Convention. The question to be asked is: was he accredited to the Government of Pakistan? If he was assigned to the Consulate, he would be listed in the records of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs by his job title. It appears to me that he did enter on official business, but it's questionable that he has full diplomatic immunity. There is some chance he could have lesser or partial immunity. An examination of his passport would show if his period of stay was extended by the GOP and whether his visa classification was changed from Official Business to something else (perhaps covered by diplomatic immunity). I hope this helps!

Cautious | 13 years ago | Reply Want to hear horror stories about diplomatic immunity - visit NYC sometime. Diplomats act like royalty and regardless of the offense committed the only thing the USA can do is tell them to go home.

Dr. Ali Ahmed | 13 years ago | Reply having a diplomat passport is one, having a diplomat visa on that diplomat passport is another, anyways, this might be helpful to u, since its link Vs Link :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5P1kDeP26E

Dr. Ali Ahmed | 13 years ago | Reply actually the law gives immunity at certain level, there is no blanket cover to it, Najam saithi probably has not read the whole of vienna convention :) let me also post some links :D

Khalid Rahim | 13 years ago | Reply The New World Order that was promugalted in the year 2000 with the entrance of GWB into the White House, Although the order was prepared in late 70s but could not find adequate support to bring it into force. The survival of this order and force greatly depends on use of '' Terror'' to place intense fear in the mind of Public and not give the opportunity to think rationally. Taking advantage of illiteracy, poverty and religious bigotry the supporters of this order will spare none to advance their agenda. The real test of character of our top leadership will be exposed when they learn that overseas banks can be made aware their deposits are made by illegal means! The banks will listen to the powerful sources of the NWO and freeze those assets. Here will be the test of our leaders will they bow to save their safehaven assets or stand upright safeguard the independence and integrity of the nation. We have two choices to give up the begging bowl and the religious bigotry and step onto the path of austerity that would strength our character in honesty, integrity and emotional intelligence. Otherwise we should tear apart our Natrional flag and the resting place of Dr Allama Mohammad Iqbal and Qaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and raise the Star&Stripes and built the Holocaust memorial.

American | 13 years ago | Reply @ Dr. Ali Ahmed and other readers: Actually, the law does give immunity. For real facts, see this video : http://www.awaztoday.com/playvideo.asp?pageId=12881 Killing and death are bad, very bad. Whether by Americans, or Pakistanis; by Diplomats or Taliban; by robbers or by any one. But that is a different discussion from what is the law... What is the Vienna Convention ? What is the Law of Pakistan ? For answers, please see that video.

shahidabk | 13 years ago | Reply wow how it could be america give uppertunity to pakistani family to came to america then after they put charge on them they are terrorist and hang them there '' let me tell something till now now every body know that osama bin laden alive but i think after those atack nothing survive" but that is a different issue we just talk about drove under car and shoot down peoples even that no body know they really making voilence or they just roming around but stop and don't try to increase peoples anger specially media no need to make much promot the issue of dead 3 persons where is media when the blost when others die this case promot like the case of mukhtiyara mai before many cases like that why they close and no dust clear on them must be clear dust from those cases my own friends shoot down by police''why" bcz they walk in the shape of group after finishing there party in race course park and police say they making voilence don't live in dark open your eyes and minds and try to understand what happened wrong and where hapening wrong please be togather. thank's (APML) don't forget strugles forget theme of shadows.

Arroon Gill | 13 years ago | Reply So if the interior Minister Says that he has Diplomatic Passport, that means he has diplomatic immunity as has always been the stance of the US State Departement and US Embassy in Pakistan. Pakistan should let Davis go, we are already being potrayed as a nation that do no regard international laws and norms.

Dr. Ali Ahmed | 13 years ago | Reply even the law doesn't give immunity to the ambassador for killing anyone.. the suv can be traced through the CCTV recordings of on that date,

Dumbo | 13 years ago | Reply "life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe" will yield nothing. As a sane guy once put it "An eye for an eye ends up making the everybody blind". As long as the world has this attitude there is no scope of peace anywhere.

kumar | 13 years ago | Reply well, if they get good blood money (permitted in mohamedan law) and if Aafia siddique could be released, i guess it wouldnt be a bad exchange. After all, the two men shot were robbers and Davis, emotions put aside, was acting in some sort of self-defence (the assumption is he was not a trigger happy fellow who came to pakistan/lahore for the purpose of shooting people on public roads)

Wowem | 13 years ago | Reply Too many dubious actions and characters are spoiling the broth here. If it takes a week to just establish that the murderer had a diplomatic passport, i can only surmise that a backdated one was made AFTER the murder. If the US was so clean they would have shown the passport immediately after the butcher did his handywork. I smell a fat rat and a terribly stinky one that would put all other rats to shame!

Ammar | 13 years ago | Reply 'Offered American visas for withdrawing the case' - so the american government is comparing the lost lives to an american visa?? The funny thing is that they are the one's always talking about morals, values etc.

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