Asma targeted in Ahmedi hate campaign

Published: October 27, 2010

Pamphlet calls her an anti-Pakistan, pro-American and pro-Indian Ahmedi.

LAHORE: One of the leading candidates in the Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) elections is being targeted by a hate campaign that calls her an Ahmedi, pro-American and pro-Indian.

The Khatme Nabuwwat Lawyers Forum based in Markaze Sirajia, a seminary in Ghalib Market, Gulberg, Lahore, recently published an eight-page pamphlet titled Targeted Missile Against Supreme Court that claims Asma Jahangir, a contender for the office of SCBA president, is a Qadiani, a derogatory term for Ahmedis. It also accuses her of being anti-Pakistan and pro-US and pro-India.

The pamphlet has been distributed at the Lahore Bar Association and posted to members of the SCBA.

Also, an Urdu language daily recently published a statement from Majlise Ehrar secretary general Abdul Latif Khalid Cheema that “Qadiani elements” were campaigning for Jahangir in the SCBA elections. He said “anti-Muslim forces” wanted her elected president in a nefarious plot to abolish the blasphemy laws.

Jahangir, talking to The Express Tribune, accused her opponents of resorting to dirty tricks to win the election. She was confident that the SCBA members would not be influenced by “such mudslinging”, but regretted that such a campaign had been undertaken.

Hassnain Jameel, her spokesman, said Jahangir is a Muslim and her opponents were criticising her for fighting for the rights of minorities and the destitute.

Advocate Tahir Sultan Khokhar, vice chairman of the Khatme Nabuwwat Lawyers Forum, who is not a member of the SCBA, said that this was not the first time the group had acted against a ‘Qadiani’. “Since its inception two years ago we have taken significant steps in this regard,” he said.

Khokhar said the pamphlet was meant to tell voters the truth about Jahangir. He said he only wrote facts about her in the pamphlet and left it up to voters to decide which candidate was the right choice.

‘Military candidate’

Ahmed Awais, Jahangir’s main rival in the election, denied having anything to do with the hate campaign or the pamphlet. “It is not right to bring religion or other matters into it. The elections are an internal matter for lawyers,” he said. Awais said he had always been respectful towards his opponents during his campaign speeches, though they had abused him in their speeches.

He said he too was being targeted by “hateful propaganda” portraying him as the army candidate in the elections, a major insult since lawyers worked so hard for the ouster of General (retired) Pervez Musharraf as president. He was also being called a PML-N candidate to get the sympathies of PML-Q lawyers and a PML-Q candidate to get the sympathies of PML-N lawyers.

Senior members of the bar condemned the circulation of the pamphlet and the unsubstantiated rumours about the candidates. They said such mudslinging was an insult to the bar and the values it stood for.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 27th, 2010.

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Reader Comments (89)

  • IZ
    Oct 27, 2010 - 9:31AM

    Khatme Nabuwwat are at it again. Its people like this who keep dragging our society down. Why don’t they try to focus on the issue at hand. I’m glad their smear campaign has been disowned by the rival candidate.Recommend

  • Waqqas Iftikhar
    Oct 27, 2010 - 10:31AM

    Beautiful….these guys just keep reinforcing stereotypes dont they….as for the blasphemy ‘law’…its got no place in a civilised societyRecommend

  • R.Raheem
    Oct 27, 2010 - 10:41AM

    These hate mongers again at work to destroy Pakistan! We are proud of you Asma. Ahmedis are also like us & we need to support them. They are much better humans than these hate filled Mullahs. May God destroy these hate filled people from this planet who are out to destroy the world.Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Oct 27, 2010 - 11:11AM

    Asma, we members of the minority communities are with you. You are a true human rights activist and a top lawyer who wants fair play in this country. My prayers are with you. You are a most respected lady of Pakistan due to you services towards Judiciary and helping the oppressed. You are a brave lady so don’t give any ear to what the hate mongers are saying or propagating against you.Recommend

  • faraz
    Oct 27, 2010 - 11:54AM

    No individual in our history has strived more for human rights than Asma. These children of Zia have already been thrown into the dustbin of history. Recommend

  • Tony Khan
    Oct 27, 2010 - 12:03PM

    Asma says she is a Muslim and as per the teachings of the holy Prophet saw we must all believe her. Nobody can open her heart and see whats in it. Only God can judge and verdict who is a Muslim and who is not. We must not interfere in Gods realm.Recommend

  • Fouqia Badr
    Oct 27, 2010 - 12:13PM

    The mullahs of Pakistan are at it again. Mischief and more mischief is their pattern. They are not serving religion, they are only projecting themselves for worldly gains.Recommend

  • khan
    Oct 27, 2010 - 12:24PM

    There was time when there was much to admire about Asma Jehangir – her courage, sense of idealism and determination, but there was also an ever-present lurking flaw within her, which many of us pretended to ignore – her inflated ego.

    Unfortunately it would appear her sense of self-worth and importance has now overriden her well-known and much admired qualities. It is all very sad. Her constant public sniping at the senior judiciary has damaged her immensely in the eyes of many people, myself included.Recommend

  • MAD
    Oct 27, 2010 - 12:38PM

    And the khatame nabwat lawyers forum just won Asma Jehangir the election by their elections. Personally I think they’re on her side judging from their actions. timing is everything and this pamphletw as perfectly timed.Recommend

  • Kalid (ex-muslim)
    Oct 27, 2010 - 12:49PM

    I am a proud Ahmadi and sick about hearing these comments about our community.
    As long as they don’t let minorities like Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus, Buddist to live peacefully we Pakistanis will never prosper. Recommend

  • Oct 27, 2010 - 1:24PM

    To the person who spoke of Asma Jahangir’s ego – I am sure she has one – but it cannot be easy being Asma Jahangir when everything you stand for is against one very vocal group or the other. She cant be easy to digest just as for us Arundhati roy or Medha Patkar (Narmada Andolan) are not easy to like. Most times you want them to shut up – but they are asking the uncomfortable questions and maintaining our false sense of comfort cannot be a good reason for denying basic human rights.Recommend

  • Anwar Ahmad
    Oct 27, 2010 - 2:19PM

    From the very beginning what good Ahrars and Khatame Nabuwwat has done to Pakistan or even to Islam? Their agenda is pure political and personal. Every day they hold hate filled conferences in every nook and corner of the counry damaging the peace and harmony of the society. They will keep on playing their evil game without any considerable success.Recommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Oct 27, 2010 - 2:49PM

    about qadyani i dont know. but she is pro-american and pro-indians.

    she also express wrong information about Baloch also in one tv programes.Recommend

  • M M Malik
    Oct 27, 2010 - 3:40PM

    This is a purely political agenda of the parties which voted against the creation of Pakistan. They used Ahmadis as a stepping stone to re-enter mainstream politics after partition. Now its their bread and butter to malign Ahmadis and incite and mislead Muslims in general. Recommend

  • Oct 27, 2010 - 4:09PM

    I have a dream……. that one day when some ignorant ones like the ones in Khatme Nabbuwat and Ahrar hurl such accusations, the majority will turn around and say ‘so what! as long as he/she is a Pakistani’!Recommend

  • SUB
    Oct 27, 2010 - 5:02PM

    Ahmadis or Qadianies are non Muslims. This fact does not change their status as equal humans and Pakistanies as any other among usRecommend

  • Hasan
    Oct 27, 2010 - 5:16PM

    Apart from the dirty nature of this campaign is there any rule that Supreme Court Bar president can not be Ahmadi?Recommend

  • basharat
    Oct 27, 2010 - 5:20PM

    Asma Jahangir , since her young age, has been relentlessly struggling for the cause of human rights and in aid of down trodden segments of society without any discrimination , whatsoever .
    She had been threatened and ridiculed especially during military rules , she faced and surpassed
    all odds that came in her way with commendable courage. Her services for the cause of human
    rights has been rightly recognised within Pakistan and at International level.
    Brave daughter of a brave politician, late Malik Ghulam Jilani, a renowned human rights activist in his own right,
    is successfully endeavouring to accomplish the mission of his father. She is most suitable candidate for the office . The Lawyers community will not be influenced by the propaganda of hate mongers.Recommend

  • Abdul Haseeb
    Oct 27, 2010 - 5:26PM

    I’ve heard so much about the blasphemy laws and that they’ve been abused and used by people for personal interests. Yet I do not know what exactly are the blasphemy law and how can one use it for personal interests? and can’t the other laws be used and are being used for the personal purposes of the elite that govern us? If in a country there is a law against “tauheen e adaalat” then why have people got a problem with a law against “tauheen e risaalat”? Please enlighten me.Recommend

  • Schazad
    Oct 27, 2010 - 6:09PM

    She is Pakistani and that is important. Nothing else matters to me. I am happy that there is someone who is standing in front of these bullies and stupid dumb people.Recommend

  • Anwar Ahmad
    Oct 27, 2010 - 6:51PM

    @Abdul Haseeb

    Misuse of Tauheen-e-Adalat or any other law does not provoke the sentiments of masses therefore it does not hurt the victim as much as misuse of religion related law does. To quote an example, a factory owner of Gujranwala was lynched by mob led by mullah when he was accused by one of his employees of tearing down a page from Calendar carrying religious scripture. Had he been accused of any other crime there would have been a 99% chance of his survival. That’s why blasphemy laws and their misuse is biggest evil.Recommend

  • Oct 27, 2010 - 11:16PM

    Our respected lawyer lady, Asma Jahangir, is a true and bold symbolic
    shining star of our 52% female majority of Pakistan. Her greatness lies in being a practical believer of the lofty ideals of the Founding Father of Pakistan Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali
    Jinnah as such all Pakistanis feel proud of her and rejoice at her success. Here one must also commend the views and attitude of her rival candidate, Mr Owais and senior Bar members condemning the religion-based hate-campaign in S C Bar election.Recommend

  • Asra
    Oct 27, 2010 - 11:47PM

    @ Kalid. My sympathies that you have to live in this God-forsaken, self-righteous, hypocritical country where people can use the word “Ahmedi” as an insult. It’s truly a curse for anyone other than Sunni Muslims to live here. Even the space for them is shrinking: if the Taliban get their way, there will be none other than Wahhabis here who will be able to practice their religion.
    As for Asma’s election, it’s the best news to have come out of Pakistan for a very long time. But I hope her security detail is very very good. We all know what these right-wing nutters are capable of doing in the name of religion. Recommend

  • Oct 27, 2010 - 11:51PM

    The religious bigots do what the religious bigots do; and that is no secret. We all know very well that most of the time they do it at the expense of the reputation of Islam, Pakistan, Muslims and the humanity at large.

    I wish someone would carryout a survey and publish an analysis of how many minds were actually changed due to this ‘Ahmadi’ labeling efforts against Asma Jahangir.

    It would be good to know how many bigots exist and who they are in SCBA – or, we may find out that the religious extremists have no influence over the educated segment if no minds were changed..Recommend

  • nadya
    Oct 28, 2010 - 2:08AM

    shame on these propogandists. its time to shed our differences and work together for pakistan.Recommend

  • Talha
    Oct 28, 2010 - 2:30AM

    While Ahmadi’s supported Pakistan , these Ahrar/Khatme Nabuwat guys opposed Pakistan and cursed it.

    It’s all in Shaukat Hayat Khans book entitled ‘The nation that lost it’s soul’.Recommend

  • Humanity
    Oct 28, 2010 - 3:56AM

    @SUB “Ahmadis or Qadianies are non Muslims. This fact does not change their status as equal humans and Pakistanies as any other among us

    Did Allah give you the authority to rule on His behalf who is or is not a Muslim? If yes, when did that happen and how? If not, then fear Allah and repent for your arrogance and ignorance!Recommend

  • Anis Qureshi
    Oct 28, 2010 - 5:04AM

    These mullahs opposed Jinnah and creation of pakistan. These mullahs are like parasites and cancer to our society. Their bread and butter is to hate ahmadis to stay in politics. They have no respect for human rights and this is the only reasons they are after Asma as she stands for human rights of every pakistani including ahmadis. Shame on these mullahs.Recommend

  • Oct 28, 2010 - 5:58AM

    Good independent minded choice! Ignore the Mullahs and lets get on building PakistanRecommend

  • Bangash
    Oct 28, 2010 - 6:51AM

    mullahs tried their usual hate campaign and lost, as usual.Recommend

  • Moazzam Salim
    Oct 28, 2010 - 9:32AM

    The source of this pamphlet is “Khatm-e-Nabuwwat Lawyers Forum” a never heard of lawyers group. Its authenticity is clearly questionable. However, there is no doubt that Asma over the years has made a lots of friends in India….does that m…ake her an Indian agent? I doubt that. A more serious point about her personality is her open and admitted allignment with the forces who are against an impartial judiciary. Her win saw lawyers raising slogans against the Judiciary and in favour of PPP, particularly Zardari. A significant change that everyone should expect from now on is that Supreme Court Bar is going to support the Government/Zardari on the judicial reviews pending in the Suprerior Courts.Recommend

  • MAD
    Oct 28, 2010 - 9:33AM

    @Asra:
    I always thought the Taliban claimed to be Sunni Deobandi’s. BTW if you would do your reserach on the term Wahabism you would realize that there are none in Pakistan since Wahabi’s are a sub-sect of the followers of Imam Ahmed Bin Humbal and there are no known Humbali sects in pakistan. Recommend

  • Aziz Bhatti
    Oct 28, 2010 - 10:45AM

    I don’t know how many times we will hear this ‘fatwa’ of these sick Mullah’s that this is Qadiani/Ahmadi/Mirzai, so do not support him/her. I’m sure Qaid-e-Azam would have called Qadiani as well if these Mullah’s were in that much power that time. Sir Zafrullah was his foreign minister, after all. Recommend

  • Abbas
    Oct 28, 2010 - 10:49AM

    What’s going around out here, People drive there opinion from media and sometimes i really feel pity for them and there analysis which comes really from nowhere but what media enlightens them with, Did anyone of you ever visted Afghanistan and met Taliban in your life. Is there any media presence for those people and then some of my ahmedi and liberal and pseoudo intellectuals and bla’s and bla friends start posting a hate against them for many obvious reasons. For me this is what i call “being Run by media”. Whatever reasons you present and whatever personalties u people idealize right now the only one standing against the devil are these illiterate people of Madrassah’s, while we enjoy or AC’s and then start commeting on thier evils (only proven be propoganda media contents) and then in the end idealize agents working for agenda’s. Now even if Taliban or Mujahideen or whatever belong to any sect, if they are standing against the evil of US and its corrupt allies i think they are closer of being called “true” people rather then us standing for “money and Material” only, with giving huge and stupid analysis for nothing..

    now people are real angry… :)Recommend

  • Asif
    Oct 28, 2010 - 12:25PM

    “I am a proud Ahmadi and sick about hearing these comments about our community.
    As long as they don’t let minorities like Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus, Buddist to live peacefully we Pakistanis will never prosper.”

    Khalid,
    What do u mean by saying u r an ex-muslim?Recommend

  • Rashid
    Oct 28, 2010 - 12:30PM

    I like Afia’s comment… Recommend

  • Saad
    Oct 28, 2010 - 3:33PM

    Well, shell we just contain ourselves to “the mullahs tried their hate compaign and failed as usual” or is it the time that we go on and riase our voice for Secular Pakistan. A Pakistan which is a part of the greater south Asia and not the arab middle east. Where a person is known by being A Pakistani and not Sunni, Ahmadi or Shia ??? It’s the time we do it for our future and for the future of this country. How can I put my hand on my chest when the anthem of this ccountry is played, which i don’t understand at all, being written in Persian. Let’s bring back Jagan Naath Azaad’s Anthem for Pakistan, which was written on the direcctives of Jinnah.
    “Ay sarzameen-e-pak
    zaray theray hay aaj sitharoon say thaabnaak
    rooshan hay kehkeshaan say kaheen aaj theyre khaak
    ay sarzameen-e-pak”

    and
    let’s make this country stay as Pakistan and not as a cursed Islamic Republic.Recommend

  • SUB
    Oct 28, 2010 - 5:49PM

    I usually do not reply people’s comments how ever I can not understand why some of us start commenting on other readers’ opinions rather they should be reading and commenting the main article

    What I was trying to emphasise is that Qadiani, Muslims or who so ever, all people born and raised in this country must have an equal right to all opportunities as Pakistanis.

    As far as my authority to rule on behalf of Allah … this is not a platform for the said debate….. How ever some one can read you the constitution of Pakistan for that. Every body has agreed to this except for the Qadianis/ Ahmadies themselvesRecommend

  • Proud Pakistani
    Oct 28, 2010 - 6:13PM

    Being Human and than a Pakistani is important instead of all… Recommend

  • SUB
    Oct 28, 2010 - 6:35PM

    Dear brother Saad,

    Mr. Azad had an MA in Persian from University of the Punjab so I guess Persian is not really a bad language as Urdu comprises of all the regional languages including Sanskrit, Punjabi and many others. We do not have to be a Persian linguist to understand the national anthem. It’s only a matter of interest.

    Mr. Azad writing a national anthem on Mr. Jinnah’s request also has some controversy attached to it as Azad was too young and if he had really achieved any social or political stature among the literary giants of the time like Faiz, Hafiz etc where as Mr. Jinnah was among the top statesmen and political leaders of the time.

    I hope someone can further elaborate the fact and/ or story of Mr. Azad writing an anthem on request of Mr. Jinnah. He has how ever done great service to Urdu language he is considered an authority on Dr. Iqbal’s literary works and poetry which the Govt. Of Pakistan acknowledged in his life timeRecommend

  • M M Malik
    Oct 28, 2010 - 7:38PM

    When an infidel was killed by a companion of the holy Prophet (saw) after he had said the kalima, the holy Prophet (saw) was very upset and said to the companion that did you open his heart to judge whether he was saving his life or was he genuinely reciting the kalima. The principle outlined here is that a kalima reciting person is a Muslim. Only God can decide who is a Muslim and who is not. We worldly beings should not interfere with God’s jurisdiction.Recommend

  • Munawar
    Oct 28, 2010 - 7:58PM

    Asma Jahangi is niether a non-muslim nor an Ahmadi (nor one of those called Qadianis by the opponents of Ahmadiyya Sect), as she never declares or confesses so. It is just like the fact as if some people mischieviously call Qaid-e-Azam a non-muslim just because he told his nation to treat all Pakistani nationals equally under law without religious discrimination.
    Due to the negative propagation against Asma Jahangir, she must have lost some votes in her favour but eventually she won the election… CONGRATULATION to her.Recommend

  • Syed Mustafa Zaidi
    Oct 28, 2010 - 8:16PM

    I congratulate Ms. Asma for winning the election. Now She is the President of SCBA & have all legal Resources which a common person can not enjoy, she should alongwith all members of the Bar take up those culprits to the court who are spreading hatered on religious bases & get them Punished, so that this deases is stopped in our country. OR pressure the Government to make a punishable law. If the law is already not in place.Recommend

  • Oct 28, 2010 - 8:29PM

    SO WHAT even if she was an Ahmadi, how is that a bad thing? Who has the right to say who is and who is not a muslim? There is not a single bad thing anyone can say about Ahmadis. When people cant find a shred of bad stuff, they make up lies about Ahmadis. People should go to http://www.alislam.org and judge for themselves Recommend

  • Talha
    Oct 28, 2010 - 8:46PM

    @ SUB

    So the constituition of Pakistan is an authority to decide on behalf of Allah. In other words it is a decision of Allah to deem Ahmadi’s as non Muslims, have blasphemy laws and zina laws for rape.

    Seems very un-Islamic to me, no wonder the condition of the nation is like this when the constituition is a joke itself.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Oct 28, 2010 - 9:49PM

    @Saad
    go on and read the definition of word ‘URDU’, that might help.

    @Talha
    cool down, there is a definition of a Muslim, go on and check it out. AHMEDIS ARE NOT MUSLIM!

    @author
    good that both parties have denounced the smear campaign……Recommend

  • Faseeha Arjumand
    Oct 28, 2010 - 10:22PM

    Ahmadis are not Muslims as per the second amendment of the constitution of Pakistan. However, are they not Muslims or Muslims in the eyes of the God Almighty is the proverbial million dollar question?Recommend

  • Munawar
    Oct 28, 2010 - 10:40PM

    @ALL
    Ahmadis are “not muslims” for the “purpose of constitution” in Pakistan, but in the same constitution all citizens of Pakistan are free to confess and declare who they are.
    Under the constitution, Ahmadis must enjoy the freedom of speech and practice of their faith confered to all citizens of Pakistan as it was in practice before Gen Zia Ul Haq imposed his presidential ordinance of 1984 which is undoubtedly against the constitution … That ordinance must be abolished. Asma Jahangir is right if she fights to abolish an ordinence which is infact against the constitution, and was indeed intoduced by Zia Ul Haq just to please Molvis, not the spirit of Islam. Ahmadis never admitted to be non-muslims, and of course cannot do so because this is against their own faith of Islam to call themselves non-muslims.
    Asma Jahangir’s fight for the rights of Ahmadis is according to the constitution of Pakistan, and Pakistan’s committment to UNO’s universal human declarations, and international law…. ………….. and all these are not in anyway against Islam.Recommend

  • Talha
    Oct 29, 2010 - 12:24AM

    @ Angelos

    I checked the definition of Muslim, it reads ‘a follower of the religion of Islam’. So what is your point exactly?

    In more detail, a Muslim is someone who recite the Kalima and beliefs in the oneness of God that is Allah.

    But then you will bring in the finality of Prophet overlooking the fact that the only mention of anything even alluding to this is the word ‘Seal’ not ‘final’. Similarly the scriptures say ‘Seal of the Prophets’ not ‘Messenger’ or ‘Reformer’.

    But you are happy to believe what you want, its Allah who will judge us, what difference does your opinion or the constitution of Pakistan make?

    Nothing.Recommend

  • Faiza
    Oct 29, 2010 - 2:37AM

    I wish these leaflets become true. She is most welcome to Ahmadiyyat, the true Islam. Anti Ahmadi knows one, who is sincere to country and honest must be linked to Ahmadiyyat.
    Congratulations to Asma and her team who defeated these extremists and I hope one day Pakistani nation will defeat them for good in next election and will elect only those who have true spirit of Islam and they are peaceful and want to make Pakistan a respectable country in the worldRecommend

  • Arslan Ali Basit
    Oct 29, 2010 - 3:51AM

    These God forsaken Mullah’s will ever never let our country go to the way of success. These Mullah’s will always try to stop the voice of truth. May Allah be with you…. Ameen Recommend

  • Mehr
    Oct 29, 2010 - 6:36AM

    @ talha

    Qadyanies are non Muslims and its accepted by all the ullema factions in the Muslim world, not just pak..
    If you think otherwise you have definitely not went into the minor details of the issue.People who have decided this have much more knowledge in this department. Had they really had ‘evil plans’ against minority sects they could have declared agha khanies non-muslims as well which they didnt because they ARE Muslims.

    @ humanity
    If someone tomorrow stands up with a new sect with a teaching for example that rejects the role of Muhammad(pbuh) event or give Allah a new name and insist on being called a Muslim
    that would distort the religion.Therefore there should be a study and a verdict on such sects.

    @all others
    Asma might become a curse for the free judiciary esp. after her -ive comments for CJ. If she starts listening to her supporters among whom millions of rupees were distributed by Babar Awan.. People of Pakistan will bring her hard down and make her an example to remember if she thinks of going against free judiciary.Recommend

  • Samu
    Oct 29, 2010 - 9:43AM

    @Faiza
    If im not mistaken you just violated the constitution of Pakistan. thats a claim you are legally NOT PERMITTED to make.

    and dont go down the old anti- Zia and anti- Mullah rhetoric, you want to make those claims in this country change the law. and if you cant do that I suggest you keep your mouth shut. you can keep your supposed true religion to yourself the vast majority ofnus are happy with what we are and we all KNOW what you are.

    May Allah guide you towards the right path. I shall pray for you. Recommend

  • MAD
    Oct 29, 2010 - 12:07PM

    @ Khalid ex. Muslim

    I like that, an Ahmedi who tells the truth. Good going man you know what you are and admit to it. there is still hope for you.Recommend

  • Munawar
    Oct 29, 2010 - 1:31PM

    Asma Jahangir is not an Ahmadi because she never confessed so..
    But suppose if she is an Ahmadi !! Is it a crime against the laws of Pakistan ??????????
    Recommend

  • Talha
    Oct 29, 2010 - 2:10PM

    @ Mehr

    So the taliban supporting Ulema is an authority to act on Allahs behalf. As for Agha Khani’s, many of the Ulema consider them to be Non Muslims too and they even started a campaign against them a few years ago.

    During the Justice Munir-Kiyani investigation, no member of the ‘Ulema’ had the same definiton of a Muslim and according to one, becuase the rest do not fall into this category thus they were deemed non-Muslims.

    You should also know that during the Prophets time when a consensus was being conducted of Muslim population, the Prophet was asked how do we verify who is a Muslim or not, the Prophet replied, anyone who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim, that is it.

    Admit it, the hate spewing, violent and medievil ‘Ulema’ are on the losing side.

    Even our great founding father Jinnah got angry when the ‘Ulema’ asked them to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslims. He angrily replied what authority do I have to declare someone a non-Muslim.

    That is why he created Pakistan and the ‘Ulema’ are destroying it today. Recommend

  • F Ahmed
    Oct 29, 2010 - 2:41PM

    I am an proud Ahmadi and I am only concerned how God views me.Recommend

  • Moazzam Ewing
    Oct 29, 2010 - 2:48PM

    Great to read that so many other people ion Pakistan also dislike these Mullahs.
    Sometimes I feel I am alone in this sea of intolerance and irrationality. Thank God there is other people out there who are rational and reasonable and can see that Asma’s religious views are not important as far as her duties go.Recommend

  • Faiza
    Oct 29, 2010 - 3:33PM

    @Samu

    First of all I am very thankful to Allah that I do not live in Pakistan and I am legally PERMITTED to claim who actually I am.
    oh I know you are a muslim and Zia was muslim too, who did jihad with US money http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM1BG_NnHaA
    Pakistan is literally standing where it was on 1947. This all due to your attitude of being happy with your own situation and not looking and listening whats going on in your neighborhood.Recommend

  • Jawad
    Oct 29, 2010 - 4:12PM

    The real values in any sphere of human activity are formed with an element of respect. when you loose respect you loose your values. respect the humans. let them live… The clerics of Pakistan woul always drag the country down… and ironically the clerics are not the religious at all. They are the filth of politics.Recommend

  • Farhan
    Oct 29, 2010 - 5:26PM

    @ all who think Ahmedis are lesser humans and Pakistanis

    I am non-Ahmedi and i respect Ahmedis just like all Muslims, Chirstians or hindus. secondly, those who support shunning any of our community on the basis of its religious views are absolutely wrong.

    @ talibans supporters

    There is no need to meet barbarists to know that they are inhumans or not. Shame on those who are still trying to save taliban (barbarists) from the public wrath.

    @ Asma Jahangir

    Congratulations madam! its wonderful to see you winning against the right winged hate mongers. Do something and use this great opportunity for the sake of downtrodden comman man of Pakistan. Recommend

  • Hina
    Oct 29, 2010 - 5:36PM

    appreciate many comments THANKGOD some people knw how to use their brain properly and can see through their eyes as well. but Its so sad to see some of the pathetic comments above…and esp those who r tryin their best to bring forth the constitution issue and wht not!which world are you people living it?cuz it sure aint the same as mine!
    who gave anyone the right to declare another person muslim non muslim christian or anythin else for tht matter, why does religion mean so much more then HUMANITY TO ALL YOU IGNORANT FREAKS. which islam are you following????no who are you following?those morons who preach death n fatways and nothin more?
    you must have made a new islam and a new Quran or you wouldnt be sitting here blabbing about “AHMADI’S DONT DESERVE EQUAL RIGHTS CUZ PAKISTAN DOESNT CONSIDER THEM MUSLIM” you fools! u think one has to be a muslim inorder to get some humanity in this world and everyone else should thn be killed or treated lik an animal?is tht how u think?

    and ‘Khatme Nabuwwat’ seriously has NOTHING better to do! Buncha Morons Put their nasty brains together and Start bringing Religion into every matter. yeah I’m an Ahmadi…and be it khatme nabuwwat or anybody else (includin the haters on this page)…keep in mind those who preach HATRED AND KILLING should stop day-dreaming about being so friggin innocent..you aint doin anyone a favour and u sure aint goin to a JANNAT for killin another human being.just sayin open ur God damn eyes and close ur heart to the hatred and to those very educated ppl here stop playin GOD…and stop actin lik blind mice all the time..the freakin constitution ur referring to is inhumane…it doesnt give equal rights to those living among u…those bein PAKISTANIES AS WELL…and one shouldnt have to die cuz some idiots came up with an idea to declare a certain group non muslim.

    khatme nabuwwat seriously is one damned jamaat …made to bring hell in pakistan.shaitaan!!Recommend

  • Tippu
    Oct 29, 2010 - 9:09PM

    one thing is clear that Ahmadis are not a muslim. But Ahmadi introduce ourself as a muslim. this is a wrong way. by the constitution of pakistan.Recommend

  • Shahid Mehmood
    Oct 29, 2010 - 11:28PM

    these mullahs are sick they now only ahmadis are sincere with their country…
    you should know they also blamed our President Musharaaf as he’s ahmadi
    and she’s under their teeth…well i’m an ahmadi Muslim.and i hope she’ll do some real work for ahmadis if she love his career she would do this.Recommend

  • Oct 30, 2010 - 3:19AM

    Courtesy of Khatme Nabuwwat and its ninny minions.Recommend

  • Madiha
    Oct 30, 2010 - 7:39AM

    @ Faiza

    True Islam? Please educate yourself before making such statements on a public forum. No one is against Ahmadi’s but statements of such nature wont help your cause!

    We are here to either support Asma or khatme nabuwwat. Let’s stick to that!

    @ Hina

    Relax!!Recommend

  • Nadeem
    Oct 30, 2010 - 9:21AM

    why qadyani dont follow the constituion of Pakistan?Recommend

  • Tony Khan
    Oct 30, 2010 - 11:20AM

    Ahmadis believe that worldly authorities have no jurisdiction on spiritual matters; as this is God’s realm. Ahmadis follow the constitution of Pakistan and register their religion on their passports and Nadra records. They do not pose or disguise themselves as Muslims, they sincerely, truely and genuinely follow the straight path. Recommend

  • Talha
    Oct 30, 2010 - 2:12PM

    Even our president does not follow the constitution of Pakistan where as Ahmadi’s select their category and do not take part in elections because they are Ahmadi’s.

    This fake propaganda by the rotten ulema is being undone at the seam and will come off fully before everyones eyes.

    Asma’s win is proof of that.Recommend

  • Munawar
    Oct 30, 2010 - 4:19PM

    @Nadeem
    Please correct yourself: Ahmadis do not call themselves Qadiyanis. Ahmadis call themselves “Ahmadi Muslims”…
    Ahmadis follow the constitution, but others do not. Gen Zia went against the Contitution and imposed an ordinence ordering Ahmadis to stop reciting the Kalima-e-Tayyuba. Sorry Ahmadis WILL NOT obey this idiot order.
    The constitution gives the right of Freedom of Belief to ALL citizens of Pakistan. Declare and confess freely whatever you are religiously. If you think that I am not a muslim, this your problem,NOT mine…. I will NOT call myself a non-muslim.
    I am a Muslim, and I declare and confess so… No law can prevent me to practise my faith of beliving in Hazarat Muhammad Sallallahoalaihewasallem..
    I believe in Khatm-e-Nubuwwat, you are nobody to stop me to believe so.
    ASMA JAHANGIR is not an Ahmadi Muslim.. why there was such a compaign against her ? Even if she was an Ahmadi, why such a campaign ???Recommend

  • R. Khan
    Oct 30, 2010 - 6:29PM

    Are Ahmedis not human beings? They are much better human beings than these double faced Mullah’s who are out to destroy Pakistan. May God have his worst curse on these Mullahs who spread hatred.Recommend

  • Noor
    Oct 30, 2010 - 8:43PM

    Seriously speaking, one should be more worried about those who are pro-Taliban and pro-Alqaeeda than those who are pro-Ahmedis!

    I have yet to hear of any mosque bombed in Pakistan by the followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed! Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Oct 31, 2010 - 2:14AM

    @ Noor

    Ahmadis are most law abiding citizen of Pakistan you must have also not heard Ahmadis blocking roads, burning tires, flaming public transport, or other such activities against the state. Recommend

  • Anis Qureshi
    Nov 1, 2010 - 7:31AM

    Ahmadis are muslims and nobody has the right to call it otherwise. They believe in in last shariah and prophethood of Muhammad SAW. Only difference is that ahmadis believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as Imam Mehdi and promised messiah. Ahmadis were in forefront of creation of pakistan and the mullahs were opposed to Jinnah and creation of pakistan. Every body should read history and muneer inquiry report about the role of ahmadis and mullahs in pakistan movement.Recommend

  • Nov 1, 2010 - 3:38PM

    I, being a member of the sub-ordinate bars, am of the view that race, religion and caste are issues that need not be emphasized for the reason that the legal profession itself bestows upon its members a duty they MUST perform without bias. As for the issue of whether she’s an Ahmedi, or pro-american or pro-indian, it should be of no concern mainly because her affiliations will not have any adverse effect on her professional integrity or her adminstrative duties as the SCBA President. Besides, most of us fail to remember the recent past, where Justice Rana Bhagwandas was our Chief Justice and a very honest one at that, regarded by the legal franternity as perhaps the most efficient, dedicated, honest and above all learned judge who did not let his personal beliefs counter the laws of the land. Similarly, Justice Tejwani, also a hindu, is regarded as one of the most honest judges in the Sindh High Court at Karachi. Propagating allegations, or even truths for that matter for personal gain should not be given this sort of media hype for the reason that it begets negativity. Such tactics are a very common notion in the legal practise and such publications are proof thereof.Recommend

  • Anjum Hameed
    Nov 2, 2010 - 12:36AM

    Been reading the above comments on who is or isnt a Muslim..all I can say is, by their DEEDS, it seems the Ahmedis are the Muslims, and the rest are a bunch of murderous cutthroats..oh, and I am one of the rest of them.. Recommend

  • Babruk
    Nov 2, 2010 - 10:58AM

    once again mullahs have shown how shameful and pernicious they are. They are anathema to our society. if i have the power, i will gather them all and board them on a spaceship and will send them to Mars. there they can have whatever ‘ideal’ society they want. i just hope it was possible that one day we get up and hear that mullahs have disappeared forever from this country.Recommend

  • Anis Qureshi
    Nov 2, 2010 - 10:06PM

    All those in this blog who are calling ahmadis non muslims can they tell me the defination of muslim( there was no consensus of mullahs during muneer inquiry). Ahmadis believe in 6 articles of faith and five pillars of islam. They have the same quran and pray in the same direction as others muslims.Others muslims are waiting for Imam mehdi and Jesus but ahmadis believe in Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(AS) as Imam Mehdi and promised messaiah. Ahmadis dont believe in violence and use of force in matters of religion. If Allah didnot give authority to the Holy Prophet of Islam to declare munafiqeen as non muslims ( read surah munafiqoon in quran) than no assembly or mullahs of any country have the authority to call anybody non muslim. Ahmadis are law abiding citizens of pakistan but in matters of religion no one has the right to dictate anybody religious beliefs. Everybody has the right to disagree with ahmadis but Allah doesnot give them the license to decide about their religion.Recommend

  • athar mahmood
    Nov 5, 2010 - 12:16PM

    Ahraries and Khatme Nubwts outlets opposed Pakistan in 1947,said it KAFRISTAN.Quaid e Azam was KAFRE AZAM in their point of view.who does not know that Modoodi opposed Jihad in Kashmir….now they claimed to be most patriotec pakistani!
    now if anybody does not accept their agenda ultimately he will become a non-muslim. Recommend

  • Hermoon Gill
    Nov 6, 2010 - 8:28PM

    Before addresing the issue the journalists should investigate the fact whether Jahangir is really a qadiyani.Even if she is a qadiyani,I don’t think that matters or hinders her into performing her job.The Judiciary in Pakistan has always been secular.We have had Hindu,Parsi and christian jurists,judges and advocates.So what if she is a qadiyani.
    The problem will arise when it is known that when taking oath she may have lied to be a Muslim,like most qadiyanis do.

    As for her following a different, sometimes mysterious agenda,thats a different issue.
    The so-called champion of women’s rights has been mysteriously silent on Aafia Siddiqui’s issue.So she should be taken to task on that.No one is beyond criticism.Recommend

  • Nabila Bhatti
    Nov 6, 2010 - 11:39PM

    Is an Ahmdi restrained by law to contest for the SCBA?? This is too disgusting to use religious affiliations for election campaigns.
    Asma struggled hard for the promotion and protection of Human rights, she is a lady of principles and she would not be affected by these stupid campaigns.Recommend

  • Anis Qureshi
    Nov 7, 2010 - 11:43AM

    Mullahs always brand any person who is honest and civilized as an ahmadi. It is a credit to ahmadis.Recommend

  • MUNAWAR
    Nov 7, 2010 - 4:52PM

    Why is hatred propagated against Ahmadis?
    And to hate Ahmadis is taken as SAWAAB , and a way leading to paradise ! If you don’t hate Ahmadis, or befriend Ahmadis you will be burnt in the Hell by Allah !! That is what Molvis are telling their Muslim audiences. They say so because they have a right of freedom of speech in Pakistan !!!
    OK… but Ahmadis still have a right to enjoy their freedom of religious practice in Pakistan. They must also have same freedom of speech under the constitution.Recommend

  • Hermoon Gill
    Nov 7, 2010 - 7:36PM

    There is nothing that stops or should stop a qadiyani from being a judge of this country.After all we have had Parsees and Hindus as jurists so why not a Qadiyani.
    The problem however arises when the Qadiyanis lie to be Muslims and declare themselves as Muslims when applying for the national Identity Card or passport.If they openly declare themselves as Qadiyanis,no one in this country should have any problem with them.Recommend

  • Parvez Mahmood
    Nov 7, 2010 - 9:45PM

    Asma is one of the bravest (wo)man is our country. She stands for her principles and is ready to suffer for them. I am for her, even she worships the devil.Recommend

  • MUNAWAR
    Nov 8, 2010 - 1:43AM

    @Haroon Gill
    Ahmadis’ Islam is the truest Islam to themselves, but that is not Islam at all in your judgement… It is just like: If I believe Hermoon Gill is not a muslim, but Hermoon Gill continues to declare himeself as a true Muslim in sight of Allah.
    The Constitution of Pakistan does not stop Ahmadis to call themselves whatever they are outside the requirement of the consitution.
    The Consitution requires that the country’s President and the Prime Minister must be a Muslim so in this case an Ahmadi cannot be a President or a Prime Minister of Pakistan.
    The same constitution gives the right of religion to all citizens to call and believe what they are. Ahmadis strongly believe to be muslims so they cannot declare themselves to be non-muslims. As the constitution does not require an Ahmadi to be a President of Pakistan, an Ahmadi will not apply for that job… Try to understand mate… THIS IS A WRONG LAW which must be corrected, and must be brought to the international human rights requirements. Ahmadis recite the Kalima of Islam, reads the Holy Quran, offer the Namaz, build the mosques, do all deeds of true muslims for themselves …… not for others to recognise them as muslims…
    Asma Jahangir is not an Ahmadi but she tried to re-establish Ahmadis’ rights in Pakistan equal to other citizens of Pakistan … a good job indeed. Salute to her.Recommend

  • Hermoon Gill
    Nov 8, 2010 - 4:17AM

    @Parvez the self-styled ‘champion of women’s rights’ has so far been mysteriously silent on Aafia Siddiqui’s case.She also said nothing on so many girls who got killed in Lal Masjid.

    Recommend

  • Omar
    Nov 8, 2010 - 6:19AM

    Ahmadis are non Muslims because they are declared non Muslims by our National Assembly. Hadhrat Jesus (AS) was also rejected by the then Jewish assembly. I want to know can an Assembly decide the religion of any body or is it not interference in Allah’s affairs?. I know that National Assembly of Pakistan can not interfere in Judiciary. Is it only me or somebody else to see the similarities between our National Assembly of 1974 and the Jewish court. ThanksRecommend

  • Azeem
    Nov 8, 2010 - 12:28PM

    @Omar

    well actually there is one difference. The Jewish court was entirely wrong and the same cannot be said for the National Assembly in this case. Yes the decision was as based more on political considerations rather than moral ones and why do people keep on forgetting that it was a liberalized broad minded PPP government in power at the time. yes blame the Mullahs but dont forget who brought this on to you.Recommend

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