Last week, JI Chief had said that Hakimullah Mehsud, who had died in a US drone stroke was a martyr. PHOTO: INP/ FILE
By terming a terrorist a martyr, the JI chief has insulted the sacrifices made by the Pakistan Army, read a statement by the Inter Services Public relations (ISPR).
ISPR spokesperson Asim Bajwa tweeted saying:
Strong condemnation of his views from majority leaves no doubt ,all of us are clear on what state of Pakistan is &it’s enemies-2/5
— Gen(R) Asim Saleem Bajwa (@AsimBajwaISPR) November 10, 2013
Hasan had said that Hakimullah Mehsud, who had died in a US drone strike, was a martyr.
“Syed Munawar Hassan has tried to invent a logic based on his political convenience. Strong condemnation of his views from an overwhelming majority leaves no doubt in any one's mind that all of us are very clear on what the state of Pakistan is and who are its enemies,” the ISPR press release stated.
“Sacrifices of our shuhada and their families need no endorsement from Syed Munawar Hassan and such misguided and self-serving statements deserve no comments,” the statement further read.
The ISPR statement said that the families of martyred army personnel and people who had lost their loved ones in the terrorist attacks demanded an “unconditional apology” from JI chief.
Such a statement coming from the JI chief, a party founded by Maulana Maududi, who is respected and revered for his services to Islam is both painful and unfortunate, the statement read.
coming from Ameer of JI, a party founded by Maulana Maududi, respected and revered for his services to Islam is painful and unfortunate-3/5
— Gen(R) Asim Saleem Bajwa (@AsimBajwaISPR) November 10, 2013
"JI should clarify it’s party position on the subject."
people, whose loved ones laid down life fighting terrorist &families of shuhada of AF demand unconditional apology for hurting feelings-5/5
— Gen(R) Asim Saleem Bajwa (@AsimBajwaISPR) November 10, 2013
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Calling soldiers martyrs, regardless of which side they are on, is standard nomenclature. Unfortunately, people take sides, and perceive the people on the other side to be bad people and therefore not worthy of being called martyrs.
NOT SURPRISED. JI is political wing of Taliban. No wonder many terrorists were caught from their safe houses. JI is pursuing this agenda since few decades. This party should be banned.
The JI should be banned! They have done nothing but harm for this country! And they wre against the creation of Pakistan in the first place!! BAN THEM!
Sindh PA unanimously adopts resolution demanding Munawar Hasan to tender unconditional apology on his remarks, but PTI refuses to be signatory to this resolution. Another occasion when PTI's dark face exposed.
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i think dr.Munawar Hassan should apply for residenceship of Afghanistan or mansoora be shifted to North Wazirstan.
Finally the army showing some guts?
@Ahmad: Imran Khan is also a great supporter of TTP. So how can he kick JI. Both Imran Khan (PTI) and JI are one and the same thing.
Only one thing to say,,,I'll prefer quoting the same article "...and such misguided and self-serving statements deserve no comments"
JI should be banned and its leadership hanged for supporting terrorists. This inlcudes JUI and PTI
@Wali: Altaf did say it.
Pakistan army must apologize from nation for not protecting its citizens from drones.
Regards,
An Ex Pakistani
Church and state should be separated, running a business is not the business of the state. Any party who uses religion as a commodity/business should be banned. It defames Islam as this is the common denominator and if they hate JI, can be termed as anti Islam. Dangerous connotations here. There is no room for Mullaiat in Islam.
@Kashif: Army did not do it a man did. He should apologize.
Thank you Pak Army. It means we should be confoident that our protercters are there and verry much attentative. They will not leave pakistan on the mercy of killerrs and their supporters. Thank you Pak Army.
The Jamaat should be banned and a few jamaati terrorists be hanged ......Bangladesh is doing a good thing
ISPR is absolutely right and #JI and Munawar Hasan should apologize for such unfortunate statement
Army should apologies for making a fool of nation by allowing the drone strikes, Read reuters, Nytimes and Afp articles, quoted the military attache in London statements regarding that. And JI should also apologies for such awful sentiments.
take it easy people. If Munawar hussains rightly opinion is that Hakimullah is a martyr he has his fully right to say it. Whats the big deal here. Lots of military people probably feel the same but just dont say it. As far as i know it was a CIA drone which martyred Hakimullah. When the americans attacked salala base i remember we called the officers martyrs too. Drink a glass of Cold Water and then judge.
@Usman: Most of these fake Maulanas and there Fatwas have no bearing to the teaching of Islam whatsoever , these breed of divisive forces have been deliberately planted in this nation to destroy the largest bastion of Islam and as an conniving effort to discredit its believers .
Fooling Pakistanis, It's so obvious that, if you take side in war of terror run by americans and call it your war, you are actually not only fooling yourself and your people but also becoming their partner, as Musharraf use to do by saying we are front line state. All this is totally wrong and stupid.
This is not our war, but is imposed on us and our people are fooled, as well as forced by americans , to become the partner by threatening us, by saying , you are either with us or the enemy.
People who are pro American policy, and anti religion ie secular minded, are in favour of this war , as well as that part of our army personals, who are pro Musharraf policies. And there are many such generals still in our army. Because of them we are pro American and anti Taliban. While most of our army jawans of lower ranks, fight with full honesty at the order of their higher commands, obeying them , thinking they are right...so those army persons are definately shaheed and innocent, but their generals who Know very well what they are doing and are pro americans, and fighting for american war, when they die, are not shaheed, as they are actually betraying their country, just like musharraf.
Now they are simply making huge cry on Munnawar hsan or fazal ur rahman statements, which were in that context to expose american game and the game of american touts. Nothing unusual, it always happen against right people. Time and years will prove who was right.
AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I just saw a interview of JI chief .... I am shocked and utterly appalled by what he is actually suggesting. He considers TTP chief a killer of thousands of innocent people a martyr while he categorically says that he has big doubts about soldiers of Pak army being considered as martyrs. My response to him is .... SHAME ON YOU!!! JI has to explain which side of the fence they stand on!!!
@Random Passerby: The chickens are finally coming home to roost.
The chicken had already come home, now they are laying eggs all over Pakistan that go 'boom' !
@Abid Azam: LOL , but so did USA. Against ZA Bhutto , JI had unlimited funds available to somehow lead to his ouster. This is a historical fact. Not dis-agreeing with your statement btw.
The chickens are finally coming home to roost.
in which capacity ISPR issuing this statement in Pakistan every institution have no limits before judiciary now army.
btw my personal opinion is HKM was not shaheed an irresponsible statement by munawar Hussain
Instead of condemning his statement, its time to ban these fanatics from politics once for all.JI is nothing but a political wing of TTP
ohohohoho. BURRRNNNNN
According to most Pakistanis; the TTP and Mullah Radio are RAW agents, financed by India. Hence, they were the 'bad taliban', while the Afghan Taliban and Haqquanis were the 'good taliban'. But now.leaders of PTI, JI and JUI(f) consider slain mehsud leaders to be shaheed, and also want to talk with Mullah Radio. JI leaders have gone as far as to say that the soldiers killed while fighting TTP were not shaheed. (Watch yesterday's Jirga interviews on TV).
One more thing - PTI was being supported by DG(ISI) Pasha, and the JI and JUI(f) have always been supported by the army.
So how does one reconcile these contradictory facts ? Why are the rightist parties, formerly blue-eyed boys of the army, supporting the RAW agents so vehemently ?
from,
a very curious IndianWould the army also apologise for breaking the constitution?
It is just the state of our affairs that ISPR has to come and issue response to the highly irresponsible statement from the "professor". Much as I agree with what ISPR said, I wish our political leadership had the courage to come forward and say what was needed.....but then this is Pakistan and this is where we are..
@Jibran: Sir, there is no Defence Minister in the current Government. Even Foreign Minister has not been appointed. So who else could have replied other than the army itself.
All Pakistanis criticizing JI... now wait a minute... take a deep breath... ok now answer the following question:
Are leaders of JI and JUI(f) agents of RAW and Mossad ?
Think carefully and answer...
BAN THIS TERRORIST POLITICAL PARTY!! I WISH PTI HAVE HAD WON ENOUGH SEATS TO MAKE A GOVERNMENT OF THEIR OWN IN KPK!
If Pakistani politicians, judiciary and establishment have an iota of self respect and care for this poor country then they must follow their brethren in Bangladesh who banned JI, expunged JI literature from public libraries and more importantly tried JI leaders for their atrocities committed against the people of Bengal. That is the only language these people understand, anything else will never be enough.
@Abid Azam: Yeah! when they used to be in their senses!
Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) is a 'Fatwa Specialist' for over 70 years. Before independence (in mid-1940's) JI chief Maulana Maududi termed 'Quid-i-Azam' Jinnah as 'Kafir-i-Azam' Jinnah.
JI acted as Pakistan Army's 'Fatwa Corps' during 1971 East Pakistan (Bangladesh) Genocide. Millions of Bengalis were killed by Pakistan Army - JI's 'Fatwa Terror'. In 1971, JI termed 'killer-terrorist' as 'martyrs'. Pakistan Army didn't object then -- what gone wrong now?
I agree, Munawar is a master debator...
Pak Army Zindabad
Thank you Pakistan Army for protecting us from these foreign funded sheep abusing criminals.
His comments just go to prove Munawar is a Master debater.
Perhaps one the biggest master debater's in the country.
cheif justice please take so mo to action against this toto. fazlu is just trying to make a claim for sahadat for himself when he gets killed. Yes maulana diesel you, ll be called shaheed. Well I say shaheed e azam cuz he is leader of the pack.
Syed Munawwar Hassan once said that rape victims should remain silent and not go to the police to lodge complaints against rapists. He belongs to a party which bitterly opposed the creation of Pakistan. This party has never been able to win more than five percent of the votes in all past elections. The JI should be banned because it is a party which supports terrorists who are out to destroy Pakistan. And let's not vote for the PTI if Imran (Taliban) Khan still wants to have the JI as an ally..
When government keeps mums or side with these terrorists army has answers these mullahs. Unfortunately Maudoodi ideology is the root cause of this violence, chaos and intolerance in our society. Military also has to take the blame as they promoted this ideology inside army. Military allowed these exremists and their ideology in their ranks only to get money from Saudis.This should stop now if military wants to see united and progressive pakistan. Seperate religion from politics as envisioned by Quaid Azam Jinnah.
Noora kushti between the two midwives responsible for gifting us Taliban. Both Army and JI will have to answer to God for the 50,000 dead Pakistanis.
what apology” ? Jamat -e- Islami should be banned ...once it was puppet of Army..
Thank you Pak Army for condemning your own B Team. Pakistan Army's past collaboration with terrorist organizations and relgious fanatics have made them (terrorists) stake holders in our state. Is this condemnation a first sign of change or its a tactic to distance itself for the time being from original policy. Only time will tell.
munawar's statement reflects that he/the jamaat was not supportive of the war against terrorists. any statements to the effect by him or qazi hussain ahmed in the archives? if so then why just mehsud, any taliban killed by pak army was and would be martyr for them!
I will quote Fahd Husain, who summarized this perfectly in this paper . 'A cruel ambiance floats within this delusional world. This ambiance encourages us to embrace those who kill us and kill those who embrace us; it prods us to love those who hate us, and hate those who love us'
Congratulation to ISPR for at last speaking up. The nation has been waiting for the last ten years for these words. There are hundred of soldiers on the frontiers defending it and laying down their lives. Forget those who sit in the cosy drawing rooms of Islamabad and have their perspectives about this war. All you have to do is to move into the war zones and realize how much many of these young people who have to defend this country, share the hopes and aspirations of us all and and want this country to be a better place. By not condemning terrorists and by equating them with martyrs who lay down the lives for their for motherland we were were on the road to destroy this country. For the first time we seem to be on track. Lets hope the leadership understands this and from now on the country comes first
I had expressed the same sentiments that comparing the late Mehsud who killed thousand of innocent people with martyrs who laid down their lives for defence of the country as well as protecting the lives of their countrymen is most insulting comment on martyrs was curtailed by the ET moderators.
This 3rd class character is the front face of the Taliban and hence needs to be treated exactly like Hakeemullah Mehsud.
This "chief" needs to be thrown out of the country into I dont know, Somalia? for calling the ones responsible for murder of thousands of by standers martyrs. He should become a "martyr" and rid us of himself from this world.
Apologize? He should be imprisoned for treason as he also said that dead Pakistani soldiers aren't martyrs.
Any such statements are completely against the teaching of Islam and people who do so should be prosecuted,The Saudi's also called the Muslim Brother hood leaders Terrorist, These people go against the teaching of Islam and should be held accountable..
The Cheıf of JI Mulla Munawwar Hussaın ıs creatıng fıtna and should be banned from politics.. He went on and even said that Pakistani Army is fighting against the Terrorists with the support of Americans and is not sure whether our soldiers dying should be called Shaeeds. The only choice this Mullah and his party have is to join TTP and accept the leadership of Mullah Radio.
We condemn every sympathizer of Taliban and we salute every Shaheed, whether he was a politician, armyman, law enforcerer or an innocent civilian.
Pakistani public knows who is Shaheed and who is terrorist. Pak Army zindabad
The "NO" voters are certainly not Pakistanis.
Thanks God! an age old romance between JI and Pakistan Army has finally come to end. No doubt, that fiery and frustrated mullah Munawar Hassan has insulted the sacrifices of those who are fighting for national cause. No sane Pakistan can allow likes of Mullah Munawar Hassan and Mullah Fazal ur Rehman to slap on the face of the nation just to please those savage, neck slitters bigots, who are aiming to ruin our the future of our children. JI has committed lot of crimes against the nation through out its history. Now, as it has foolishly annoyed her ex-mentors, its time to invoke Article 6 of the constitution of Pakistan, if not for its past crime then at least on this particular statement of Mullah Munawar.
JI have always had a soft corner for these barbaric terrorists ! Doesn't surprise me at all. People like him should be ashamed !
We are clear now that how TTP gets all the support they want everywhere in Pakistan. JI is everywhere in Pakistan.
agree 100% with the army. the statement from JI chief is an insult to all the pakistanis.
Well done Pak Army. First good news from Pakistan after a long time. These Maulanas need to be put in their right slots. They have done enough harm not only to Pakistan but to entire sub-continent. Ideal will be to ban all religious political parties. Separation of religion from politics will do good for both nation and religion. Hope Pak Army issues another press release against all those who call Osama Bin Laden a Martyr.
SICK!!
Two parallel governments in Pakistan: Civilian vs Army and this is since the creation of Pakistan. In democratic government, this statement might have come from federal government as army has no authority to issue such statements, but unfortunately there is no democratic system in Pakistan.
No matter however JI defend it they are on the wrong side of the fence. Overtime they will fade into obscurity.
Totally agree with the above statement. Furthermore, all those parties that do not denounce the terrorists by name when the innocent citizens of Pakistan are butchered, should too be taken to task. Each terrorist act is against the national interests of the nation and should be denounced publicly and in no uncertain terms by all who respect the rule of law.
After losing more than 50000 lives .... we are not clear who is a terrorist and who is not ... BAN THIS JI
LOL @ the vote results
Everyone knows express tribune (master is New York Times) audience are the minority liberal Pakustanis
I feel ashamed, helpless, annoyed and aggrieved- all at one time- because of these mullahs who sadly call themselves Muslims. And its funny how they feel patronizingly superior over all those educated, impeccable and ethical soldiers and officers of Pakistan army. May God bless Mullahs with the ability to think reasonably and cogently towards religion. Pakistan Army Zindabad!
This dude has totally lost it!!
He should be tried for this, his support for terrorists when our Troops are in war with them, makes a good case for treason. Jamat-e-Islami is just proving itself a political wing of the TTP.
Fully agree with ISPR..... JI should explain their stand.
JI should ashamed of themselves and Imran Khan needs to kick JI out of it's coalition.
i believe such statement should come from federal government not ISPR
These 'so called scholars' of Islam,have not even felt the Soul of our Faith.
Munawar Hassan is a stooge of the Salafis in Saudi. He will do whatever they expect of him. The TTP is looking to overthrow the state on the direction of their Salafi masters in Saudi. Munawar Hassan is their political spokesman. This lowlife should be tried for treason and his party should be banned!
This demand of the military is a step in the right direction to distance itself from those who support the terrorists. A lot more remains to be done to break the mullah-military axis created by Zia-ul-Haq as that is the only way to help Pakistan get onto the right path.
This statement clearly shows that the country is run by army, not by civilian government. In democratic system, only federal government can ask Munwar Hassan about the statement, not by army.
An apology is the least he must do, and it still won't cover the hurt and outrage his irresponsible statement has caused. Munawwar Hassan however has made it quite clear whose side he is on, and it's the one fighting to create an autocratic theocracy.
These Mullahs who called themselves as champions of Islam even do not know that who should be called "Shaheed" and who should not.
Unfortunately the Mullahs of Jamat-e-Islami have turned a simple Muslim into fanatic.
How can a murderer Hakimullah Mehsud who have killed uncounted people in Pakistan can be called as Martyr?
Do these Mullahs know what is the actual meaning on a Martyr?
Shame on all the Mullahs of Jamat-e-Islami who are playing with the sentiments of Muslims of Pakistan.
JI opposed Pakistan. JI participated in the break-up of East Pakistan. Now JI wants the end of Pakistan by supporting those opposed to Pakistan. There should be no confusion.
Both Jamaat-e-Islami and the "Good Looking Jamaat-e-Islami" should be kicked out. Watch Beygairat Brigade song "Aalu Anday".
What about selling or surrendering the country ? It would be appropriate if an apology in this aspect is provided while seeking explanation from JI. Discussion on non issues apparently instigated by media dying for sensational news Ji and other right wing parties are expected to show restraint
Oho its seems army and PPP have exclusive rights to the martyrdom .. Still remember the Fatwa many scholars gave that all army personal died in fighting tribal areas , Praying their Janaza is not allowed ,
What about that ISPR ? If the same drone had struck at GHQ all would they been martyred ?, others are not because they are sold ? Not human ? not Muslim ? Oh yes , They are weak ,
Finally, they got the time to speak. Shameless souls.
The families of the martyrs are deeply disappointed with the late response of the ISPR. We did not lose our sons and brothers to get this kind of treatment at the hands of self-designated religious scholars who are devoid of the decency to differentiate the right from the wrong.
If the JI does not apologize, it would become clear that they are siding with butchers and, then, should also get the same treatment.
What else could be expected from these extremists. These mullahs have destroyed this land. Ban these terrorists.
Ban him and his Party.... a political wing of TTP
People should read what the Jamat-e-Islami and its founder Maulana Maududi really think of other Muslims. http://www.scribd.com/doc/182637963/What-Jamat-e-Islami-think-about-other-Muslims (Urdu link)
That is a basic ideology of JI and cannot be retracted just as Kafir-e-Aazam, paleedistan etc. can't be retracted. Now a dog is called "Shaheed" and all terrorists have taken the parallel place of dogs. These companions of 'ghaddars' must be identified and latter tried in court of justice just as Bangladesh is doing now. The precious blood of our military personnel is on these heads and their lives must not go astray.
Army should never indulge in politics. This shut up call should have come from the government or the defense minister. There is a display of absolute lack of direction, strength, and vision from our federal government as well as total stubbornness from Imran Khan. Both know how wrong they are, but cowardliness and petty politics compel them not to take a decisive position against the terrorism.
The agencies should now be clear as to who are the sympathizers of the terrorists. JI is just one of many parties. These are funded from friendly Islamic countries. And you are only demanding an apology. Please set the priorities and vision of the country straight and rid these fanatics from the political scene and cut off so called brotherly relations with the friendly Islamic country. Neither are they friendly, nor brotherly. They are out there to stab you in the back
Who is right here?
A guy that killed innocent people by the thousand, is seen as a martyr-only in Pakistan!
This party should be banned. These are the people who have divided muslims all along the history.
now he will try to justify his remarks by giving humorous and baseless reasons..