Pakistan bans three extremist outfits, on orders from China

Published: October 23, 2013

East Turkemanistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and Islamic Jihad Union (IJU) are now banned in Pakistan. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani government on Wednesday decided to ban three international extremist organisations allegedly involved in insurgent activities in the Chinese province of Xinjiang, BBC Urdu reported.

The website quoted sources in the Ministry of Interior Affairs as saying that Chinese authorities and security agencies believed the three organisations were involved in extremist and insurgent activities in the Muslim-majority province of Xinjiang.

The outfits banned include the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and Islamic Jihad Union (IJU).

The said bodies have been the subject of much concern in discussions between the Chinese and Pakistani civilian and military authorities.

Ministry sources were also quoted as saying that Pakistan had been in contact with the Turkish and Uzbek governments over ETIM and IMU, and had learned that over half of the people constituting these bodies were individuals highly wanted by local authorities.

The outfits include 10 females who reportedly trained other women for suicide-bombing.

Pakistan is reported to have caught and arrested various members of these groups in operations against militants in North Waziristan and other tribal areas.

The government has enhanced security of Chinese diplomats in the country against possible attacks by these militants.

At least 50-60 organisations already exist on Pakistan’s list of banned outfits.

Correction: An earlier version of the story incorrectly listed East Turkemanistan Islamic Movement as one of the banned organisations. The error is regretted.

Reader Comments (83)

  • Sami khan
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:49PM

    orders from china, orders from america and orders from india. if you beg money from others you have no self respect left

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  • A2Z
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:50PM

    ET portray it as bad thing by translating “Mutalba” as “Order”. Come on ET get some life

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  • Zaid Hamid
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:53PM

    Who is China to dictate this to Nuclear armed Pakistan?

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  • Hafiz
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:53PM

    Pakistan must ban all pakistani based terror outfits those are spreading across the world.

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  • Asim
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:53PM

    The title reads “on orders from china” yet the contents reveals it was upon much discussion and investigation. Please don’t set misleading titles.Recommend

  • Waseem
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:54PM

    Hello Intelligence Agencies, why they even exist on our land??? where are you?

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  • Hafiz
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:54PM

    Its order from Boss, we have to do otherwise we are gone.

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  • Oct 23, 2013 - 8:54PM

    Jihad in Kashmir is Jihad, in Xinjiang its not?

    It was never about Islam or Muslims, but purely opportunistic.

    In India at least the Demography is still intact, Chinese have flooded Xinjiang with mainland peoples and have completely changed the Demography.

    Perhaps India should take a cue from China and do the same.

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  • Zif
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:54PM

    Uzbecks, turks what are they doing here in North Waziristan? What kind of frankensteins are we harbouring?

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  • Neo
    Oct 23, 2013 - 8:57PM

    if Same steps Pakistan take for India.. relationships between two countries can far far better..
    china concern was Terrorism so as India.

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  • observer
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:05PM

    As Usual- Pakistan is fighting someone else’s war.

    Where is Kaaptan?

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  • Vikas
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:07PM

    New Masters :-)

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  • Laaltopi
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:08PM

    @Zaid Hamid:
    haha…where is your head stuck buddy. The legs that pakistan stands on…one belongs to USA and other one belongs to China.

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  • Naseer
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:12PM

    How Pakistan can ask to stop drones when there is no policy to counter worldwide terrorism export? Regardless of the location of terrorist act, the terrorists always have some link with Pakistan. Pakistan needs to wake up before it dies in deep sleep!

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  • Green Tiger
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:13PM

    Shame. What about Chinese oppression of Muslims. Is it not terrorism? More importantly, i think it’s only an eyewash. Every kid knows about the donation boxes that are maintained in most of shops/mosques, that accumulate funds. Everyone knows where the funds go.

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  • Raj - USA
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:48PM

    Grass eating Pakistan is being ordered by pork eating chinese on one side, vegetable eating indians on another side and beef eating afghans on the third side.

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  • Xnain
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:50PM

    @A2Z:
    Few months ago, in a drone atttack, the victims included uzbiks, TTP and for the first time, three Uighurs. This was a clear evidence that East Turkistan Movement have advanced her ties with TTP and thus facilitating inflicting damage on the state of Pakistan. Even long before this, ETM carried out attacks in Chinese Xingjang province and investigations revealed that the attackers were trained at camps ran by Talibans. And its not just that ETM has developed ties with TTP, they had long been collaborating with Afghan Talibans and AQ for carrying out operations in Afghanistan. An afghan-fighter once told me that talibans actively support the cause of an Islamic state in China in the name of brotherhood. While it is correct that Chinese haven’t treated the Uighur population justly. Yet ETM has also adopted the wrong way to help her cause. And Chinese have been long pressing Pakistan to declare ETM as a terrorist outfit. However, not until the ties of ETM with TTP were revealed, the GoP finally pushed the screws on the organization.

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  • S
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:52PM

    “Orders from China” is a statement that is perceived by ET themselves.

    ET should report news not perceive things but its hard given that its full with pro indian and western forces.

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  • Babloo
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:55PM

    So China whose main diet is pork and rice will dictate to a non eating pork country,Recommend

  • Ch. Allah Daad
    Oct 23, 2013 - 9:57PM

    Pakistan should have done it long before by itself and had not waited for Chinese to demand ban on these organizations. When we call someone our friend, then its our duty to watch friend’s interests.

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  • truthbetold
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:00PM

    @Asim:

    “The title reads “on orders from china” yet the contents reveals it was upon much discussion and investigation. Please don’t set misleading titles.”

    “Much discussion and investigation” is euphemism for order!

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  • mbd4u
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:00PM

    what ‘orders from china’ , hmm did your goverment always been a puppet state to someone .

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  • Zen
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:03PM

    Indian PM MMS is correct to say that Pakistan is an epicentre of terrorism. This order from China comes while Indian PM is in Beijing, China on a State visit. Well done MMS.

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  • mbd4u
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:06PM

    if any other nation put order means it’s for there purpose’s .

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  • KHAN
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:06PM

    @Asim:
    this is called professional news by ETRecommend

  • Phoenix
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:10PM

    Wish pakistan does same to all terrorist organisations. There will be peace in south-asia, and rest of world.

    And those who think its concerns not orders, pakistan is not in position to be with equal status with any nation.

    Hope pakistan doesnt turn into nuclear somalia.

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  • Dhaka
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:11PM

    Once they dictate us, its high time for us to “order them” for an appology on 1971 war crime

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  • Lahori
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:14PM

    Every one is “ordering” to our country, if things will go in this way, we never get surprised to get an “order” from our eastern side of border.Our country do not have value in world stage.

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  • Jayesh
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:17PM

    China is ordering as if pakistan is there slave country ! Master slave relationship !

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  • Sher
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:18PM

    So what if ETM is banned. There are tons of terrorist groups which have been banned in Pakistan. Did that make any difference???. Only banning the groups is not enough and neither bashing Pakustan on international forums is the solution to this menace of terrorism, I have to exclude China, since China one of the countries which genuinely understands Pakistan’s pain and has helped Pakistan in this regards, rest of the countries including our neighbors are just bashing and making fuss in international forums and locally with out suggesting any credible solution. The bottom line is that terrorism is not a localised issue of Pakistan it has engulfed the whole region and has become international which frankly is not possible to control by Pakistan or any other country including USA. If we need to effectively counter terrorist threats then all countries in these region have to get united against this. If we point fingers at each other then the ONLY winner is terrorists. Pakistan and China have effectively worked in this direction and could be a model for rest of the countries in region.

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  • Nand
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:21PM

    I doubt if Pakistan will listen to them and stop their main export business.

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  • Hafiz
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:22PM

    all weather friend also agreed pakistan is an terrorist country.

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  • Xnain
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:32PM

    @Hafiz:
    By that Logic India should Ban the whole Indian Army…..

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  • Jayesh
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:45PM

    The order came while Indian pm touring china. Well done MMS.

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  • unbelievable
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:48PM

    Pakistan has a number of banned organizations which operate in the open – hope the Chinese aren’t expecting anything of substance..

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  • TJ
    Oct 23, 2013 - 10:57PM

    i dont understand where is our OWN intelligence!?!? why does china and US tell us that these organizations living and thriving in pakistan are terrorists!?>!!?! why dont we once and for all ban all terrorist organizations and take action against them! for our own selves!

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  • Neo
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:19PM

    @Sami khan:
    What respect you earn by nurturing these outfits…these oufits are operational in pak

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  • Shekhar
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:19PM

    @Zaid Hamid:
    It’s Papa! :)

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  • Vikram
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:21PM

    The Pakistani government on Wednesday decided to ban three international extremist organisations allegedly involved in insurgent activities in the Chinese province of Xinjiang.
    …………

    An Islamic country banning Jihadi organizations on orders from a Kafir country. I thought Muslims are not supposed to be even friends with Kafirs.

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  • Parvez
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:23PM

    Stop the money flowing in from KSA, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc to the madrassa system and a very big portion of this terrorist movement will crumble because the hatcheries would be starved………….simply banning outfit is just a cosmetic move.

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  • Shekhar
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:34PM

    @Sher:
    Dont be so naive my friend. China (or for that matter any country) will never help any other country just because it ‘understands the other’s pain’! I believe China’s helping Pakistan is only natural considering both countries have a common perceived hostile neighbor in India. In addition, now, Gwadar, natural gas in Baluchistan and other such non-strategic issues also make a case for a better Pakistan-China relationship. The big question though is… how much are you willing to sacrifice… and for how much in return?

    Zameen (Baltistan) luta di… Izzat to bacha lo!

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  • Really
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:37PM

    @TJ:
    Busy making movies.

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  • Indi.pendent
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:51PM

    @observer:
    @Raj – USA:
    @Jayesh:
    @Vikas:

    India has the dubious distinction of having the largest number of terrorist groups in the world, not just in the region. It would be an eye opener for most people in our neighbor. It is a case of pot calling the kettle black. Please have a look at the links below-makes interesting reading.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/65-terror-groups-active-in-india-govt/article5064769.ece

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/34504-list-indian-terrorist-insurgent-extremist-groups.html

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  • Irfaan Jamali
    Oct 23, 2013 - 11:53PM

    Pakistan better do a full out ban soon.

    Or the world won’t hesitate to declare it a terrorist state in the next 15-20 years.

    America is already gone almost. India is way too big to be intimidated by Jihad. China-India are getting close. Even Afghans are making friends with whomsoever they wish to without asking for approval from Islamabad.

    Time to quit this violence in name of Jihad. The most popular freedom movement in the world is Tibetan. They started being non violent a long time ago.

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  • Sher
    Oct 24, 2013 - 12:02AM

    @Shekhar:

    Well buddy you missed my poiint. Terrorism is not now localized to Pakistan. If some one thinks that ONLY Pakistan can solve this then he is living in fool’s paradise. This menace is now out of control and unfortunately Pakistan cannot tackle this alone. If this region needs peace and counter terrorism then every country in this region has extend helping hands to each other rather than bashing each other. Since if we fail then it’s a failure for every one in this region.

    Just an FYI I am from Gilgit-Baltistan and I know what you are telling is inaccurate about Baltistan :)

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  • R.B
    Oct 24, 2013 - 12:06AM

    @Sher:
    Fantastic point. An eye opener for every one.

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  • lol
    Oct 24, 2013 - 12:14AM

    @Indi.pendent: maybe …. but we dont export it…. we fight it on our own…. u coz pain to others by exporting them…. get it now at least?

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  • Denim
    Oct 24, 2013 - 12:16AM

    @Parvez:
    Money is one part of the story. There is support from your establishment towards these outfits. This is the main problem and you follow them blindly.

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  • Gen Pasha retd
    Oct 24, 2013 - 1:05AM

    @Zaid Hamid: we are a beggar nation , we are country that exports terrorism throughout the world, we are a nation queuing up at foreign embassies to get visas , we are the nation that denied uncle Osama was in Pakistan when he was found out to be living next to a military base……in short we are the laughing stock of the civilised world

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  • B
    Oct 24, 2013 - 1:13AM

    @Indi.pendent:
    Are you a real grade 6 from Madrassa School?
    The Hindu states that these are in India fighting India and not the world.
    Your second link states that LeT are Indian terrorists. Wake up. Hafiz Saeed is the founder of LeT and your so call ‘The great social worker’.So Pakistan is an epicentre of terrorism.

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  • Umar
    Oct 24, 2013 - 2:26AM

    @lol:
    that must the name given to you by your parents, or may this is the nickname people have given you after hearing the stupid stuff you say. Anyway nice to read from you Mr. lol! ;)

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  • Umar
    Oct 24, 2013 - 2:30AM

    @ET,
    what to say about you, you are opening up more and more every passing day. Don’t you think you should act as an undercover agent? My suggestion, try publishing a couple of pro Pakistan articles too in a week may be, so that people get their trust restored in you and then flood your website with the propaganda, just as per the orders of your masters :). Its the love for money afterall.

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  • It Is (still) Economy Stupid
    Oct 24, 2013 - 3:04AM

    All three banned organizations have changed there name and it is business as usual.

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  • Indi.pendent
    Oct 24, 2013 - 4:05AM

    @B:
    It is quite difficult for me to decipher you intellect by your nonsensical comments. The most dreaded terror outfit, the LTTE fighting for a separate Tamil homeland in Sri Lanka was sponsored, trained and funded by none other than India. I am not mentioning the Mukti Bahni supported by India and BLA in Baluchistan.

    Here is the link to it.

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2013/07/28/india-armed-trained-financially-sponsored-ltte-terrorists-and-sri-lankan-tamil-militants/

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  • Nasir
    Oct 24, 2013 - 5:40AM

    @Zaid Hamid: Your Daddy!
    At least your this friend indeed can order you compare to your master in the West.

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  • ModiFied
    Oct 24, 2013 - 7:05AM

    @zen: India and China are cooperating on terrorism including the one originating from Pakistan. This has been discussed during Indian Prime Minister’s China visit and has been reported in Indian media;

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-China-quietly-cooperating-on-terror/articleshow/24562936.cms

    Whatever Pakistanis might think of their sweeter than honey relations with China, truth is that Indo-Chinese relations are much stronger. India and China has signed even a MOU to develop a trade corridor between two countries via Mymanmar and Bangladesh. Hope good sense prevails among Pakistani rulers and they stop this path of self destruction by supporting Jihadis of all brands.

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  • Californian Desi
    Oct 24, 2013 - 8:17AM

    This is what happens to a nation who tries to find ally in someone with whom they share no common tradition, culture or background. Pakistan has always relied on nations like USA and China, hoping that their friendship will help them gain edge over India in every front.

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  • ABKhan
    Oct 24, 2013 - 9:32AM

    ET India needs to work on the comprehension skills. Its not on orders, it was a request

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  • khan of quetta
    Oct 24, 2013 - 9:56AM

    @Waseem:
    our people have symphathies with our muslim brethern wether et burgers or agencies like it or not

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  • khan of quetta
    Oct 24, 2013 - 10:00AM

    @BruteForce:
    it is and i support that

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  • Danish
    Oct 24, 2013 - 10:07AM

    @Raj – USA:
    ha ha…Pakistan will have a very good threesome.

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  • Udaya Bose
    Oct 24, 2013 - 12:35PM

    @Zaid Hamid:

    Sir, your sarcasm, as always, is of the highest order.

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  • Sad but true.....
    Oct 24, 2013 - 12:49PM

    Poor choice of words ET…ORDERS!!!!!

    For pays you ET…?????

    Shame on you guys…

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  • PeaceMonger
    Oct 24, 2013 - 4:28PM

    *@Sher:*
    Well said.
    @Mr.Nawaz Sharif, PM, Pakistan:
    How about banning JuD too while you’re at it?

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  • Usman Masood
    Oct 24, 2013 - 4:46PM

    Misleading title. Clearly there was some sort of “discussion”.

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  • SM
    Oct 24, 2013 - 6:04PM

    When will ET have the guts to put a headline which reads “.. on orders from the USA.”

    ET does not have the guts since the US is its master.

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  • Balle Balle
    Oct 24, 2013 - 7:01PM

    Favorite Indian hobby: trolling on Pakistani websites till their baseless ego is fed

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  • observer
    Oct 24, 2013 - 7:23PM

    @Indi.pendent:

    LOL!!!

    Did you even read the link before posting it? This is what the link says.

    The list of terrorist groups active in various states shows Jammu and Kashmir has five such organisations, including Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hizbul-Mujahideen, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Harkat-e-Mujahideen and Al Badr.

    As you know all of them are terrorist organisations headquartered in Pakistan and many believe sponsored by Pakistan too. Should India also issue some orders or what?

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/65-terror-groups-active-in-india-govt/article5064769.ece

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  • stars
    Oct 24, 2013 - 7:33PM

    Pakis aka denialistanis are still arguing over the non issue of whether it was an order or a request and completely ignoring the fact that this news again confirms the fact that pakistan is an epicenter of world terrorism.

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  • amir jafri
    Oct 24, 2013 - 8:07PM

    As long as India and Pakistan keep as using english language as a PRIDE language they will continue to be ordered by their masters…To teach and train a dog, teaching it to listen to commands is important. Chinese must have used english to order these dogs.

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  • Javelin
    Oct 24, 2013 - 9:03PM

    @Sher:
    I have to exclude China, since China one of the countries which genuinely understands Pakistan’s pain and has helped Pakistan in this regards

    You do not have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the ONLY reason China “understands Pakistan’s pain”..is their necessity to have a pawn on their side to keep India down. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • M. Emad
    Oct 24, 2013 - 10:31PM

    In 16 December 1971, on orders from Mukti Bahini (Bangladesh Liberation Force), Pakistan bans its Army and Killing outfits in Bangladesh (East Pakistan).

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  • el chor
    Oct 25, 2013 - 6:06AM

    @TJ:
    we try to talk to terrorist. No Dadagiri, just Ghandhigiri. LOL

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  • Go zardari go
    Oct 25, 2013 - 7:01AM

    @Ch. Allah Daad:
    Thanks for the wisdom filled comment, captain obvious

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  • KUMAR
    Oct 25, 2013 - 4:41PM

    so will ISI close its china desk…………..Recommend

  • suresh kumar
    Oct 25, 2013 - 5:27PM

    @Waseem:
    these groups are “assets” in implementation of Pakistan Foreign Policy. Disband them and teach the Pakistani society to learn to love life instead how to kill. I know that Islam is a religion of Peace, the tragedy is that today Pakistan has become a violent society thanks to its educational policy.

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  • Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan
    Oct 25, 2013 - 9:50PM

    @BruteForce: Ask the Kashmiri Muslims, the radical Hindus have cleansed Jammu of Muslims and tried to do the same in the Kashmir valley. More than 100,000 Kashmiris have been massacred by Indian Hindus and Sikhs in Kashmir. India has at many times tried to force Hindu settlers into Kashmir, borrowing a page from their Israeli allies, but they have been unsuccessful due to local Muslim Kashmiri resistance. How can you look toward China, when you are doing much worse against the Muslims of Kashmir? There is simply no comparison.

    Pakistan’s stance toward the Uygur movement has always been neutral. Pakistan houses one of the largest Uygur diasporas in the world, and despite pressure from China, Pakistan has not extradited them back to China. Most of them escaped China due to problems with the authorities. As long as they do not subvert China, Pakistan will not take action against them. Pakistan’s position is dictated by pragmatism and there is no use of making enemies with a strong ally and friend like China. That would only be in the interest of our enemies.

    Pakistan has never denied any Muslim refugees from neighboring countries, despite these refugees numbering greater than 5 million and taking a toll of Pakistan’s economy. We regard it as our sacred and religious duty to help any Muslim anywhere in the world.

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  • Oct 26, 2013 - 1:42PM

    @Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan:

    What was the Demographics before of Muslims in Kashmir and how drastically has India changed it can you please inform us?

    Links from reliable sources please.

    Also, check what has happened to the once-Uighur majority province of Xinjiang.

    http://uyghuramerican.org/article/playing-long-game-unrest-and-changing-demography-xinjiang.html

    That is a novel idea!

    Indians have been living Kashmir since ages. So, its only reasonable for Hindus to live there. India should encourage this migration by providing sops and removing the barrier for migration which exists now.

    Kashmir issue will be resolved forever.

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  • Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan
    Oct 26, 2013 - 5:24PM

    @BruteForce: Try looking at the statements of All Parties Hurriyet Conference, the representatives of the Kashmiri national struggle, as well as Human Rights groups. Forced Hindu settlement is nothing new in Kashmir, and has been going on for 66 years. Jammu’s Muslim population have been ethnically cleansed by importing extremist Hindus from India to promote communal mob violence and ethnic cleansing.

    The Kashmir valley is a 95% Muslim majority land, and those demographics have not changed due only to the resistance of the common Kashmiri Muslim and the influence of the Kashmiri freedom movement. Jammu and Sikh Punjab have been ethnically cleansed of Muslims since 1947, as a matter of fact their Muslim populations are almost nonexistent due to Hindu genocide against Muslims.

    As as India continues to renege on UN resolutions and International law to deny the legitimacy to the Kashmiri freedom movement, the stronger it will become and more apparent India’s belligerent attitude will become. India is nothing but a rogue and terrorist nation, which has destroyed life in Kashmir for the common man, woman, and child due to state-sponsored kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder of its people.

    Shame on those who occupy the lands of others.

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  • Oct 26, 2013 - 6:20PM

    @Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan:

    Quote me from the report from Human Rights or whatever you talk about, where it specifically says India has brought in people from the other states.

    I asked you last time knowing you can’t provide it.

    To be clear: I don’t want attrocities report, I have never said bad things haven’t happened. I want to see where it clearly specifies India is importing people into J&K.

    “The Kashmir valley is a 95% Muslim majority land, and those demographics have not changed due only to the resistance of the common Kashmiri Muslim and the influence of the Kashmiri freedom movement. “

    So you are saying India is bring in people yet the demography has not changed. Dude, be consistent.

    This is a lie. I am asking for proof the 3rd time and I have yet to see it.

    If India is bringing in people why is the Demography the same?

    Do you even acknowledge the plight of the Kashmiri Muslims, or do you only care about Muslims?

    Also, since its a Hindu land historically and some of the holiest places are in J&K, don’t you think you should back off?

    If you say present settlers are more important then so Israel also doesn’t have to give back any land to Palestine.

    Which is it?

    “Jammu and Sikh Punjab have been ethnically cleansed of Muslims since 1947, as a matter of fact their Muslim populations are almost nonexistent due to Hindu genocide against Muslims.”

    You are not willing to show any proof but you claim the moon. Do you know non-Kashmiri can buy a piece of land in J&K?

    Do you know what Kashmir Pundits are? Hint: Our first PM was one.

    You have 2 options:

    1) Land belongs to the original people of the area: Like Israel should move out of original inhabitants, so should the people of J&K return the area to the original inhabitants – The Hindus. Amarnath is a Hindu holy place preceeding the birth of Islam. So should Pakistan vacate its territory, which belongs to Hindus and Sikhs.

    2) Land belongs to the present lot: Which means whoever is on the land its theirs. By that definition Jammu belongs to Hindus and Ladakh belongs to Buddhists.

    Since, you don’t have a problem with China flooding Han Chinese to Xinjiang, I guess its ok if India does the same.

    Which option do you prefer?

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  • Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan
    Oct 28, 2013 - 1:20AM

    @BruteForce: My response was not allowed to go through, so I can’t comment further than this. The moderating on this website is very erratic, especially against Pakistanis.

    For all your points, I can forward you to Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International annual reports on Kashmir. Regarding denial of mass genocide in Jammu and Sikh Punjab, that is a point accepted even by India’s government at the time. You, yourself, touched on and supported the land grab by Hindus using the Amarnath shrine and expanded adjacent areas reserved for Hindu settlement only which ignited mass protests throughout Kashmir. The issue of religious sites can be resolved without massacre and demographic change if India chooses. The case of Sikh shrines in Pakistan is a model case in this regard.

    It is no use criticizing China, when India does much worse in Kashmir. My original point still stands. Furthermore, if you really feel pain for Muslims, you can start by trying those war criminals like Modi in India who have been responsible for the mass rape and mass murder of Indian Muslims. Instead of criticizing someone else, why don’t you set an example if you value the rights of Muslims in India and the Kashmiri people?

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  • Oct 28, 2013 - 10:56PM

    @Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan:

    I’ll keep it simple.

    A disputed area has 2 options.

    1) The right of the present settlers: If so Israel can have it land. China can get away with pushing people in. India after pushing in people can claim this, like the Mughals who came to India and increased their numbers and their descendants claimed for Pakistan.

    2) The right of the people who have historically lived in the land. That means entire Pakistan and all disputed areas of the Subcontinent belong to India. That means Chinese can have their land, Palestine can have theirs and Hindus can have theirs(including Pakistan).

    Which option do you rather prefer?

    You talk about Amarnath yatra, so you agree that Historically its been a Hindu land. Since, the Hindus are in minority, like Muslims in Israel-Palestine conflict, other Hindus should be obliged to support them, like you support Palestine. Isn’t it?

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  • Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan
    Oct 29, 2013 - 5:05PM

    ET, why do you keep deleting my responses and allowing anti-Islam, anti-Pakistan comments to go through?

    @Bruteforce: Pakistanis are the sons of the soil, regardless of what your extremist Hindu propaganda as fed you. We have every legitimate right to live in this land, and govern ourselves according to our God-given right. The fact that we are Muslim does not mitigate our historic right to the lands which we inhabit as descendants of and successors to the 7,000 year old Indus River Valley Civilization (Harrapa, Mohenjo-daro, Taxila). We don’t need your permission. We have no relation to India and the Ganges river.

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