British High Commissioner takes notice of Altaf Hussain’s statements

Published: May 15, 2013

MQM chief Altaf Hussain. PHOTO: APP

British High Commissioner Adam Thomson took notice of Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) chief Altaf Hussain’s statements  of “separating Karachi” on Wednesday, reported Express News.

Thousands of complaints were sent to the London metropolitan police after Altaf addressed his supporters in Karachi where he allegedly threatened PTI supporters who were protesting against rigging.

Altaf also said that Karachi should be separated from Pakistan if the mandate given to the MQM by the people is not acceptable.

The statements created an uproar across the country, after which the party clarified saying Altaf’s statements were rhetorical, and misinterpreted by the media.

Thomson said that the London police are looking into the complaints and may take action soon.

“Under British laws promoting hatred and violence is liable to punishment and Altaf Hussain’s statements must be taken seriously.” he said.

The high commissioner added that, “unlike some countries in the world, the British police are fiercely independent of British government. And it is for the British police to investigate allegations of incitement to violence or incitement to hatred.”

Altaf has apparently retracted or denied his statement, Thomson further said.

On Tuesday, reports emerged of Altaf being unwell. Doctors advised him to pause all political activity for a few days and take bed rest.

Reader Comments (120)

  • GudNews
    May 15, 2013 - 4:04PM

    Looks like the thousands of calls to Scotland Yard paid off!! Great work Pakistanis :)

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  • Paindoo
    May 15, 2013 - 4:06PM

    This news just made my day.

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  • Adnan Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:15PM

    As Mr. Hussain is a British citizen, the London police should question him on his hidden intentions and bring them in light and should give him a serious public reprimand.

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  • Justiceprevails
    May 15, 2013 - 4:15PM

    Goo London. Justice is never denied in the land of the queen.

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  • Eshal
    May 15, 2013 - 4:19PM

    Power of Naye Pakistanis! :)

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  • A Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:22PM

    I wish we had such a system in Pakistan too where any one’s complaint could put you on the backfoot. Here complaining against the powerful turn them more hostile.

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  • Xara
    May 15, 2013 - 4:23PM

    Change has begunRecommend

  • Kaptaan Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:23PM

    Bismillah hogai! well done Insafians, we will take our Karachi back from NaMaloom Afraad!

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  • I am a Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:24PM

    Well SNP leader Alex Salmond is driving a campaign to separate Scotland from the UK and the UK government has agreed to a referendum in 2014. Even though Altaf Bhai has clarified his stance that he does not want to separate Karachi from Pakistan, but even if he wanted to separate Karachi, this cannot warrant his arrest in the UK. If MQM has a majority in Karachi, they can ask for a referendum on whether the people of Karachi want to be independent of Pakistan or not, similar to the SNP having a majority in Scotland and they are having a referendum about whether the Scottish people want an independent Scotland or want to remain part of the UK.

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  • Zara
    May 15, 2013 - 4:24PM

    Change has started

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  • Shahab Hafeez
    May 15, 2013 - 4:24PM

    About time the British Govt. reacted.

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  • Ali Abul Hassan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:25PM

    Just one question….Would Mr. Altaf Hussain threaten the people gathered at TEEN TALWAR if all of them were UK citizens…?
    Because we are Pakistanis we are not respected by our people…!

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  • Nawaz
    May 15, 2013 - 4:25PM

    What about the similar statements he made last night?Recommend

  • Ashar Pervez
    May 15, 2013 - 4:27PM

    ET please publish this. I am one of these thousands who complained yesterday. The reference number for my complaint was CHS10312-14 May.

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  • Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:27PM

    Power of the people at work here. This is the change that we have been longing for. When people stand up for their rights nothing is impossible. Pakistan Zindabad!Recommend

  • Maher
    May 15, 2013 - 4:29PM

    Yeh Cheez… Now thats we called a DEMOCRATIC NEWS :)

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  • Mehran khan
    May 15, 2013 - 4:30PM

    I am just visiting England for a week and what a warm welcome respect to British people. Pakistan police should learn from English police.

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  • Jawad
    May 15, 2013 - 4:31PM

    i dont know how his statements can be misinterpreted, sounded pretty clear to me.

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  • Hahaha
    May 15, 2013 - 4:31PM

    Hahahahahaha. As if this could change. !!!!
    British court is not stupid like PAK court. They know how to interpret statements.

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  • Arsalan R
    May 15, 2013 - 4:32PM

    Altaf Hussain is a great Sindhi leader and Pakistan must respect him.

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  • Syed (Larkana)
    May 15, 2013 - 4:32PM

    Hatts off to my Pakistani brothers…who did this great job
    May Allah bless you and give you strength to raise your voice for justice.

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  • Muhammad Rohaan Sadiq
    May 15, 2013 - 4:33PM

    Happy Days for Pakistanis…)

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  • Asif Maalik
    May 15, 2013 - 4:37PM

    Complaints put forwarded by anti-MQM elements to London metropolitan police could not be more than hundred of hundreds kilo-grams evidences against Mr. Altaf Hussain presented by Mr. Imran Khan to Scotland-yard authorities. So I think it will be a worthless exercise again.
    A clarification has been appeared in media regarding Mr. Altaf’s controversial statement that was misapprehended. Therefore, such chapter should have been closed.

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  • Ali tanoli
    May 15, 2013 - 4:39PM

    O jee i didnot say that like bush never said crusad word ??????

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  • Amer
    May 15, 2013 - 4:39PM

    Alhamdulliah. I am one of the callers to London Met Police and I will surely follow up everyday on my complain now.

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  • Omer
    May 15, 2013 - 4:39PM

    NOthing will happen

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  • Eshal
    May 15, 2013 - 4:42PM

    @ I am a Khan:
    “Rigged” referendum, eh?

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  • T.Z
    May 15, 2013 - 4:42PM

    What remains to be seen is whther this is just another political gimmick to squash constant phone calls from inundating police phone lines OR would it followed through to a decision fit for the educated class in Khi.

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  • Anon
    May 15, 2013 - 4:45PM

    This is what happens when bachay get involved! They stand up for themselves and things get done. Enormous respect for Imran Khan for waking them up. I was a PTI supporter before, but these events have increased the standing of the man manifold. He has gotten them invested, and shown them a better future, hopefully there will be no stopping them now!Recommend

  • Omer
    May 15, 2013 - 4:46PM

    I dont think that there is any law against asking for more freedom. Otherwise, all the leaders of Kashmir, Palestine, Kosovo, Easter Timor, South Sudan and Ex Soviet states will have arrest warrants against them.

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  • umair409
    May 15, 2013 - 4:48PM

    I am unable to understand why altaf hussain’s statements are always misunderstood by normal people. Why it is necessary to be MQM supporter to understand the true meaning of his message.

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  • Sarmad
    May 15, 2013 - 4:54PM

    Its a test for British Judiciary/police. All the evidence is available. Let’s see what they will do

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  • Muhammad Rohaan Sadiq
    May 15, 2013 - 4:58PM

    @I am a Khan:

    There is no comparison between Karachi-Pakistan and Scotland – United Kingdom situations.

    Scotland shares a long and bitter history with England (which is now the center of the UK) while there has never been any issue between Karachi and the rest of Pakistan.

    Scotland is a state (in simple words) of the United Kingdom while Karachi is not a state of Pakistan.

    Scotland will not get independence because people have realised that they wont be able to live off their own. If Karachi becomes independent it will become a banana republic within hours.

    Karachi needs Pakistan and Pakistan needs Karachi. Neither can survive without each other.
    End of Story – I hate anyone who talks about division of Pakistan.

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  • rabia ali
    May 15, 2013 - 5:01PM

    what a drama… of course your unwell but its too late

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  • Syed
    May 15, 2013 - 5:09PM

    We Pakistani believe the British is the Land of Justice and British people like democracy please take serious Action against Altaf hussain, his Statement hurt 200 million Pakistanis. And we appreciate the comments of British High Commissioner. thanksRecommend

  • May 15, 2013 - 5:10PM

    First it was zulfikar mirza then lord nazeer then imran khan . now again imran khan and the list of sore losers goes on.

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  • Water Bottle
    May 15, 2013 - 5:16PM

    @Justiceprevails:
    @Paindoo:
    @GudNews:

    “This news just made my day.”

    “Looks like the thousands of calls to Scotland Yard paid off!! Great work Pakistanis :)”

    “Goo London. Justice is never denied in the land of the queen.”

    I think you people are hoping for something that doesn’t exist. Scotland yard cannot do anything in this regard.

    Are you kidding me?

    Muslim extremists and terrorists sit in their mosques in London and preach hatred towards london. The same extremists come to streets of London and shout death to England. The same extremists beat up white (christians) when they venture into muslim dominated areas (watch these interesting videos on Youtube).

    London is a country if wimps. Scotland Yard police is weaker than Congress government in India.

    And in the case of Altaf Hussain, they simply have no jurisdiction.

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  • Water Bottle
    May 15, 2013 - 5:20PM

    @Sarmad:

    “Its a test for British Judiciary/police. All the evidence is available. Let’s see what they will do”

    There is no crime committed in the first place. Are you Pakistanis so dumb that you cannot see that no crime has been committed in the first place here?

    If you give a complaint to the police about such silly matters where they have absolutely no jurisdiction, they will TAKE NOTICE of your complaint. And then drop it in the dustbin.

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  • Water Bottle
    May 15, 2013 - 5:23PM

    @Amer:

    “Alhamdulliah. I am one of the callers to London Met Police and I will surely follow up everyday on my complain now.”

    Would you be hurt if I called you an ignorant person?

    London police cannot and will not do anything to Altaf Hussain. Altaf Hussain can sit on the Big Ben and shout “death to Pakistan, Death to Imran Khan”, the police may arrest him for climbing the Big Ben but they won’t even ask about what he said.

    You live in London and do not know the law?

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  • The brave media
    May 15, 2013 - 5:26PM

    @The Express Tribune: When you say “allegedly threatened,” are you telling me that none of your reporters or editors heard those words come out of Altaf Hussain’s mouth when he made those threats which were aired on many news channels (including yours) and the recordings of which have been widely shared on social media? I salute the free and brave media for taking such a strong stance.

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  • Bubba
    May 15, 2013 - 5:26PM

    It would appear that promoting violence is against British law but not Pakistani law – another thing you should fix.

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  • speakthetruth
    May 15, 2013 - 5:28PM

    @Justiceprevails:

    I think Pakistanis need to wake up if they think justice is never denied in the land of the Queen!! This is a perception, reality on ground is different and so subtlety twisted that you have to live here to realize it. The double standard and prejudiced behavior is apparent when you consider the fact that if any one of us living here or in Europe and dares to speak against the holocaust or even label Blair and Bush as war criminals have a case to answer in the Courts of justice of the Queen :(. Also consider the case of ‘Lord’ Nazir Ahmad.

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  • ivehadit
    May 15, 2013 - 5:29PM

    @I am a Khan:
    Pakistan is not the United Kingdom and Karachi is not Scotland. So that’s just plain nonsense.

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  • Usman
    May 15, 2013 - 5:39PM

    My complaint number is CHS10076, registered on May 13, 2013.

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  • mrs ahmed
    May 15, 2013 - 5:40PM

    @Justiceprevails:
    yes sure when they will look deeply they would find nothing , Altaff said if our mendate is so muh of a problem just disconnect us from Pakistan .. if imraan says phainta lagaoon ga it is fine if ALtaaf leader of poor masses says few popular salogans all the elements of oppression who are happy in dynastic politics . Remember nawaz sharif during restoration of aboo arsaln instigated olice official on civil disobedience

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  • mrs ahmed
    May 15, 2013 - 5:41PM

    @I am a Khan:
    oh wonderfully valid argument

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  • Jim
    May 15, 2013 - 5:45PM

    Whassamatter? JInnah could ask for a partition on the basis of discrimination he perceived but Altaf can’t?

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  • Naveen
    May 15, 2013 - 5:47PM

    What is wrong with you guys? He’s a Political leader of a party which contests elections. Democratic dissent should be respected. What do you want these people to do? Take to arms and go underground for their rights.

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  • Abdul Aziz
    May 15, 2013 - 5:47PM

    Just called the SY up & took updates from them on my complaint. They said they need alteast few more calls so they can take police action against him. We are short of 27 calls. So people, keep calling themRecommend

  • A. Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 5:53PM

    @Hahaha: Don’t know which is worse, the fact that you consider Altaf Hussain a Sindhi or the fact that so far your comment has 5 recommends.

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  • ayesha.a
    May 15, 2013 - 6:04PM

    finally good news!

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  • GR81
    May 15, 2013 - 6:11PM

    Big difference regarding Scottish independence. SNP campaigned on a manifesto promising a referendum on independence. MQM made no such mention in their campaign. Second scotland was originally a separate country and technically still is in many matters such as law, education and sport. Karachi has never been a separate country.

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  • Irfan
    May 15, 2013 - 6:17PM

    What I gathered from the news i got via emails, internet etc., i strongly feel that the ethnic parties are being funded/backed by USA, UK, Israel and India.

    If you consider the series of activities of foreigners namely Ramen Davis in Pakistan you will be compelled to think that the situation is going towards the separation.

    US plays a vital role in appointing President & Prime Ministers in Pakistan. Such people appoints a Battalion of ministers. IMF instruct them for rising prices of commodities but IMF never ever asked the government to reduce number of ministers they have. Recommend

  • Saqib
    May 15, 2013 - 6:17PM

    ET, please correct – it’s London Police Commissioner, NOT the British high commissioner. The latter is a diplomatic post; British high commissioners are the heads of British high commissions in foreign capitals.

    @readers
    Altaf is being investigated for his incitement of hatred and violence, NOT his sentiment for Karachi’s separation.

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  • S. . Alvi
    May 15, 2013 - 6:20PM

    Kids keep on having your “magical thinking” caps on. You have best UK trained barristers protecting Altaf– the undisputed leader from Urban Sindh for more than 25 years!
    While this may amount to a typical , albeit refined refined nuisance…. This time again it will only leave you with sour kick in the teeth.

    Take your defeat gracefully! just because you prayed wished and convassed for a change, doesn’t mean it will necessarily happen that way. Recommend

  • hasan
    May 15, 2013 - 6:25PM

    Try all you want. Imran Khan failed, Zulfiqar Mirza failed, and the fialures continues till today. My Leader remains unharmed, but the your failure continues :-)

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  • Sirf Pakistani
    May 15, 2013 - 6:29PM

    @Water Bottle:
    Although I do understand where you’re coming from but we have to start making UK authorities realized that they just cannot sit on the fence all the time and lecture us to “do more”. Its UK’s prime responsibility to look after its citizens and their actions. When ever i get a chance i make sure that my English friends know who Altaf Hussain is and how he is enjoying a life style on their tax money. You have to raise your voice so they can hear you. If you don’t ask, you don’t get….as simple as thatRecommend

  • rafiq
    May 15, 2013 - 6:34PM

    @Amer:
    bro is it just to call any police station and make a complain about it i would love to do that i did nt even know

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  • Sirf Pakistani
    May 15, 2013 - 6:38PM

    @mrs ahmed:
    Imran isn’t a British citizen…end of story…

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  • Sirf Pakistani
    May 15, 2013 - 6:41PM

    @mrs ahmed:
    and btw.. phainta doesn’t come near to “chalni karna”……i can give my son a phainta if he would misbehave but would never dare say that i would “chalni” you …. got it!

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  • Akram
    May 15, 2013 - 6:47PM

    @ I am a Khan

    The similarity between Scottish referendum and Karachi referendum is very spurious. Scotland was an independent country which was incorporated into union with England and Wales as part of the UK. This is something many Scots have always resented and hope to reverse. No such arrangement is seen in Pakistan. Karachi was in fact the 1st capital of Pakistan and the place where the Quaid 1st set foot on when he arrived in this country. Recommend

  • Muhammad
    May 15, 2013 - 6:50PM

    “have turned the symbolic Teen Talwar into real swords on one order of mine” – Altaf

    Will any mqm supporter clarify this? Or are you saying he didn’t say that?

    Don’t tell me what it actually means, because it’s very clear that this is a direct threat to the people who were gathered at 3 swords to protest.

    As the British act of offences against the person, section 16 clearly mentions threats to kill punishment. I hope this law applies to all and is still in service.

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  • Khan
    May 15, 2013 - 6:54PM

    @I am a Khan:
    You clearly do not know ABC of history do you? Please first read history of Scotland and then comment. Going by your logic we should give residency to Afghan refugees and later give them a right of secession in Peshawar? Scotland has separate currency, culture and was a separate state still ruled by their own parliament.

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  • Saqib
    May 15, 2013 - 6:54PM

    Folks, I believe it’s a legal issue too that a British Citizen headed a so called political party overseas. If someone can educate me whether or not a foreigner can head a Pakistani political organization under the Constitution of Pakistan?

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  • samonrusty
    May 15, 2013 - 6:58PM

    Must be a shock to some diehard MQM supporters that millions of Karachiites reject the politics of ethnicity; to them the interests of the nation is what matters. A major dent in your vote bank must be difficult to swallow; but swallow you must, even it means Recommend

  • Abdul Rauf Hashmi
    May 15, 2013 - 7:01PM

    And if some law exist in Pakistan, CJSC should also take suo motto of this!!Recommend

  • mindless
    May 15, 2013 - 7:09PM

    Lolz actually i made one complaint as well…Recommend

  • mullah Man
    May 15, 2013 - 7:09PM

    @Adnan Khan: Or maybe they should give him a villa in AbottabadRecommend

  • lkhan
    May 15, 2013 - 7:20PM

    Good for all the registered complaints – the shocking video is there for all to see. Very impressive to say the least how our Pakistani citizens are demanding their rights, both in Pakistan and beyond. Hope this will augur change, banish the killings from the streets of Karachi. Lastly, hopefully all parties will wake up to the demands of Pakistanis who want genuine manifestos that consider welfare, education, rule of law, and economic and tax policies implemented that would put the country on the road to recovery, and not allow extremists, louts and thugs to rule their lives!!!Recommend

  • Salim
    May 15, 2013 - 7:25PM

    Nothing is going to happen. Altaf being a free citizen of UK can speak against anybody. Its the actions that matters. He has not taken any gun or bombs to threaten Pakistan………….Looks like the high commissioner has gone overboard. Perhaps wants to be in the good books of Nawaz Sharif.

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  • Loller
    May 15, 2013 - 7:26PM

    You guys are all believing this!?!?!?!? All topi drama by Brits… If they wanted to do something about altaf they would have found something he did or said against British law in the last 15 years. This is just to show majority Pakistanis that they are on your side and you guys all believed it. Stop being so naive.

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  • Imran
    May 15, 2013 - 7:35PM

    Those who are laughing and mocking Altaf Hussain do not realize that the British authorities WOULD NEVER take action against MQM or Altaf Hussain, as the party has superb relations with the British government and US authorities as well. This was probably just done so all the PTI workers/supporters would stop calling or writing into the Scotland Yard complaint center. The MQM is a secular party and the party enjoys massive support in urban Sindh, and there is no secret to how powerful the MQM is on the streets in terms of mobilizing hundreds of thousands of people in a moments notice. Recommend

  • Longislander
    May 15, 2013 - 7:44PM

    Status quo parties, you have done a huge mistake by letting 30+ members of PTI win the elections. You guys don’t understand the power of Tsunami. Wait and see what we do to Nawaz Sharif, We have all his records of money laundering. Next is your turn, Mr. Sharif.Recommend

  • Raj - USA
    May 15, 2013 - 7:47PM

    Height of stupidity seen in many comments here.

    What is the point in expecting UK to action? If Pakistan is really a sovereign country, they should take action according to its own laws on the protesters, be they belong to PTI or MQM. Want UK to take action for the protests in Karachi and still claim “Naya Pakistan”? Pakistan’s law enforcement agencies cannot stop the protesters? Pakistan is capable of cutting off only local cell phone services and youtube???????????????Recommend

  • Effendi
    May 15, 2013 - 7:51PM

    First it was Imran Khan himself, who pursued a case in the British court against Altaf Hussain: result….. FAILED miserably!

    Then it was our favorite man from Badin, Zulfiqar Mirza who went to Scotland Yard with 2 Suitcases full of evidence against Altaf Hussain: Result……….. FAILED MISERABLY again and also got beaten up by some thugs in the land of the queen.

    And now our very own PTI supporters and PTI trolls against Altaf Hussain: Result… Pending …
    Please get over it. Do not vent your anger upon Altaf Hussain. You failed to make your Naya Pakistan all over the country.. especially Punjab. Now kindly stick to facts and stop trolling British authorities.

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  • Tahir Ali
    May 15, 2013 - 7:54PM

    British High Commissioner sounds (reminds) of Mr Rehman Malik who for 5 years kept on taking “notices” and did nothing.

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  • Asif Butt
    May 15, 2013 - 7:57PM

    @Naveen:
    Nothing is wrong with us. Are you saying that it is justified for voters to take arms and go malicious against people who disapprove of their leaders suspicious statements ?

    @mrs ahmed:
    Phainta lagana is different from threatening to demand separating Karachi , who also feels no shame in objecting to the ideology of the founder of the nation.
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  • drdlox
    May 15, 2013 - 8:05PM

    why Altaf Hussain of mqm hiding in UK, why David Cameron’s government allow him. the the government of UK make such statements that Pakistanis are a failed state and there is corruption violence. I don’t know about other Pakistanis i want this man to be sent back to Pakistan to face many criminal charges against people of Karachi and Pakistan. Why the people of Great Britain are such hypocrite, when they use their media and influence to free 4 British citizen in Dubai on illegal drugs possession and give sanctuary to wanted for several murder cases to live in the UK freely.Recommend

  • sameer
    May 15, 2013 - 8:07PM

    JIYAAAAAAAA ALTAF HUSSAIN (AMEEN)

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  • gp65
    May 15, 2013 - 8:08PM

    @Naveen: “Democratic dissent should be respected.”

    Not sure if you have heard the speech. He said that ‘if our mandate is not respected, karachi mein aag laga doonga and the fire will spread to rest of Pakistan also’. This is not democratic dissent, it is threat of violence. Given the fact that even the CJ of Pakistan has admitted that all 3 leading political parties in Karachi (of which MQM is one) has armed mafias, such statements cannot be taken lightly. If you notice even the High Comissioner refers to threat of violence, not so much the other part where he talked about separating Karachi from Pakistan.

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  • np
    May 15, 2013 - 8:10PM

    @Water Bottle: “And in the case of Altaf Hussain, they simply have no jurisdiction.”

    He is a UK citizen living in London, so they do have jurisdiction. Rest of your points are valid though.

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  • Muneer
    May 15, 2013 - 8:23PM

    The most important and critical part of the British High Commissioner statement in Pakistan is, “… and Altaf Hussain’s statement’s must be taken seriously “. Altaf Hussain is internationalising a domestic issue with grave consequences for Pakistan. Britain has its own national interests which may not necessarily be the same as that of Pakistan. There is a need to consider such statements in a wholesome context and not in isolation. 

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  • hope
    May 15, 2013 - 8:25PM

    another way of thinking

    I hope, I am not going to offend anyone if I do please accept my apology.

    Don’t you think It is a pity to complain against a person who is a leader of a party in our country and we are complaining to the British authorities and are “happy”, does not it shows our weak judicial and democratic system OR we don’t trust our “democracy” / “judiciary” at all. (I feel shame though)

    While people are happy, I am sad that we can not complain to our judiciary and other rulers and asking/expecting help/justice from British government and are believing that we will get justice.

    I pray from ALLAH s.w.t that a day will come we choose an honest person and we can complain against anyone to him or our judiciary INSHA’Allah and action will be taken.

    Please google “india italy marines case” read this, how they dealt with this (I am not Indian :) )

    From

    A proud Pakistan

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  • Sania Mirani
    May 15, 2013 - 8:29PM

    About time.Recommend

  • rehman
    May 15, 2013 - 8:30PM

    ws one of the callers!!!haha!!i feel proud today

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  • May 15, 2013 - 8:35PM

    If I were on Altaf’s communication staff, I would simply advice him to issue a public apology. MQM needs damage control

    Nothing can mend this but an apology WITHOUT any excuse.Recommend

  • Jade
    May 15, 2013 - 8:40PM

    To all those who advise there was no violation of UK law, kindly note that the threats which Mr Hussain made and the hated spread falls foul of the following UK laws:

    Under section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998 it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person or persons and sections 85 Postal Services Act 2000 or s127 Communications Act 2003 there are similar specific offences relating to sending postal or telephone messages which are indecent offensive or threatening. Both offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. Because the Malicious Communications Offence is more wide ranging than the Telecommunications offence it is more likely to be charged by the Police than the Postal Services or Communications Act offences.

    In most cases involving malicious communications however there will be more than one offensive or threatening letter or telephone call and therefore the police will often choose to charge the offender with an offence contrary to section 2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Part of the reason for using this charge is that when someone is convicted of an offence under the Protection from Harassment Act the court can make a Restraining Order preventing them from contacting their victim again. Breach of a Restraining Order is punishable with up to Five years imprisonment. A Restraining Order cannot be imposed for a conviction under the Postal Services or Communications Act offences.

    If the messages e-mails, phone calls etc cause the victim to fear that violence will be used against them then the police can choose to charge the offender with an offence contrary to section 4 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 which is punishable with up to Five years imprisonment and also allows the court to make a Restraining Order.

    Why are these applicable to Altaf?
    Well, in general terms provided the offensive message was either sent from within England and Wales or was received within England and Wales then an offence has been committed which the police and the courts in England and Wales can deal with.

    Deal with it! I’m sure the Met Police will

    Have a great day :)

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  • Maz Bari
    May 15, 2013 - 8:42PM

    Scotland is a different country but part of a union ‘United Kingdom’ and its absolutely fair for any country in UK to demand cessation, the issue of SNP is completely different to Altaf Hussain’s. His telephonic speech had 2 major issues; 1, He openly threatened the normal civilians of Karachi who were protesting at teen talwar square which in law is seen as harassment and 2, He said that if people are not happy with election results than separate Karachi from Pakistan. if I may refresh in past the same guy said creation of Pakistan was a blunder.Recommend

  • Akmal
    May 15, 2013 - 8:51PM

    Britain is the land of equality where every citizen is given justice. Will the government of Britain ensure grant of justice to 18 million people of Pakistan against its citizen Mr Iltaf Hussain who promoted hatred and violence in Pakistan for demanding Karachi a separate country.
    People of Pakistan are looking forward to the jurist of England for execution of justice.

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  • Cheubrah
    May 15, 2013 - 8:54PM

    Be aware of they have no jurisdiction over Altaf in London. He just sits there and voices his anger in what’s going on in the country. And media in the land of queen is one of the biggest culprits in inciting hatred by justifying war and drone attacks. Yet “justice” without jurisdiction is expected from former colonial power instead of standing up against judicial attacks for petty gains inside of country. Look what this “Naya Pakistan” is all about.Recommend

  • Ali
    May 15, 2013 - 8:55PM

    Great News…

    I trust UK judicy ..well done

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  • aijaz
    May 15, 2013 - 9:29PM

    @Adnan Khan:
    it was not a hidden intention he loudly and openly pronounced.Recommend

  • k. Salim Jahangir
    May 15, 2013 - 9:37PM

    @Muhammad Rohaan Sadic………..Very aptly said, i could not agree more. Karachi belongs to 180 million people of Pakistan & is not a personal property of any individual or community.Enough is enough,it must be stopped now. Recommend

  • grunt
    May 15, 2013 - 9:50PM

    I think it would take more than an interpretation from the likes of Khwaja Izharul Hasan & Co to fix this one. The UK doesn’t usually tolerate people based on its soil to publicly incite OR ALLUDE to violence. So the idea of breaking hands has to go off the table, no matter what warped justification the fans may have.Recommend

  • Pakistani Ostrich
    May 15, 2013 - 10:04PM

    What a bunch of naive simpleton (otherwise known as PTI followers) thinking the british government is going to send altaf to jail for asking for separation of ‘karachi’. For god’s sake there are people in britain shouting ‘death’ to UK and nothing happens to them! Get real!
    LOL!

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  • Aftab
    May 15, 2013 - 10:20PM

    Now and then, many of our leaders warn the nation if something happens or does not happen then Pakistan could not exist or could see breakup. We could be emotional about our country and hurt by his statements. But we must see where he is coming from and whether this provides any basis for his arrest. Of course, the UK police has to register a complaint when made but this does not mean it will take any action. Recommend

  • k. Salim Jahangir
    May 15, 2013 - 10:22PM

    @Water Bottle…..your comments are generally profound,but,here people,in my estimation, are annoyed & want to register their protest.It is high time Mr.Hussain that you change yourself.Those suggesting not to come to Pakistan are not your friends.Recommend

  • Hasan
    May 15, 2013 - 10:40PM

    @Water Bottle:

    Every single one of your replies has confirmed that you do not know the first thing about the UK.

    There are a whole variety of laws covering hate speech in the UK – Hussain’s remarks could be considered a violation of public order, incitement to racial hatred and even a medium-risk threat to kill. Not to mention the interest that counter-terrorism would have in his actions. Each of the 32 boroughs of London carry out weekly community tension reports to gauge the level of community cohesion, and they would undoubtedly mention this openly called for violence while sitting in a country with a large Pakistani community. So putting it bluntly, your ignorance is embarrassing.

    The Metropolitan Police are far from perfect, but they take violations of free speech quite seriously – anybody with half a brain and a basic working knowledge of the institution would know that.

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  • Parvez
    May 15, 2013 - 11:08PM

    The British government’s behaviour on this matter appears doggy.

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  • Navaid
    May 15, 2013 - 11:09PM

    @samonrusty:
    Millions? Are you on medication? If you add up MQM’s total votes against those of the “mummy daddy” crowd, it’s almost a ratio of 100,000 to 1. Get a life, Karachi is and always will be an MQM entity.

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  • speakthetruth
    May 16, 2013 - 12:25AM

    @I am a Khan:

    I think there is a difference between Scotland and Karachi and there is a difference between UK and Pakistan and the geopolitic situation of both countries. You need to think intellectually.Recommend

  • ali ahmed
    May 16, 2013 - 12:56AM

    The reason of dismemberment in 1971 was becaused Bengali was abused ,their due rights were not given and same things happening in Balochistan…regarding karachi..delimitatation was ordered with out census and the experts failed to explained to the courts the ground realities(dawn nov.30..2012) and verification of voter in karachi under Army..both this action were discriminatory…the main person in this game was secretary ECP..where as there were 2 million unverified voter in punjab ..but no action ordered to verify it..(dawn dec,25..2012).SC also ordered to stop the land grabing then why SC is not forcing its decision…1.karachi should run by people of karachi not from Islamabad or Lahore.2.Rangers should be sent back and equal amount of police personal should be hired from karachi 3.Import of police personal from Punjab and KP should be stop….4. jobs generated in karachi are not given to the people of Karachi as done in others parts of country….Karachi problem can be solved when people in power CONSIDER IT AS PART OF PAKISTAN in letter and spirit,not for only collecting revenue. The mandate of Karachi should be respect and they should stop using Jamat-e-IslamiRecommend

  • May 16, 2013 - 12:58AM

    @Kaptaan Khan:
    agreed !

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  • kt
    May 16, 2013 - 1:18AM

    @I am a Khan:
    Does Alex Salmond has Dual Nationality?

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  • speakthetruth
    May 16, 2013 - 1:35AM

    @Jade:

    Thank you Jade:) A while back I was discussing that I need to find laws in relation to his hatred and inciting to disorder speech.

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  • Salman
    May 16, 2013 - 2:49AM

    @Jim:
    Based on discrimination or hiding poll rigging drama? People of pakistan are not stupid

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  • gp65
    May 16, 2013 - 3:41AM

    @Raj – USA: Altaf Hussain lives in UK and is a British citizen. In effect, it is a British citizen threatening violence in Pakistan. I don’t think his statement about separation of Karachi would attract attention of British law.

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  • gp65
    May 16, 2013 - 3:51AM

    ET: Pls. allow my statement it is completely relevant to the topic under discussion and meets all your published guidelines.

    @Parvez: “The British government’s behaviour on this matter appears doggy.”

    So if a UK citizen incites violence against Pakistanis, UK courts should take cognizance – right? What about when a Pakistani citizen (HAfiz Saeed, Zaid Hamid) openly calls for violence against India? Should Pakistani courts take cognizance? Or do you support double standards?

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  • Jim
    May 16, 2013 - 9:56AM

    @Salman I agree. People of Pakistan were not stupid in 1970/71 either:)

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  • RQ
    May 16, 2013 - 10:13AM

    @gp65: I don’t know you why this news is hurting you more than anyone else and

    What about when a Pakistani citizen (HAfiz Saeed, Zaid Hamid) openly calls for violence against India? Should Pakistani courts take cognizance? Or do you support double standards?

    stop violence in kashmir no one will “THREATEN” you again

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  • True Karachiwala
    May 16, 2013 - 12:04PM

    @Sarmad: you consider a conditional sentence to be a complete evidence ?

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  • INSAFIAN
    May 16, 2013 - 12:09PM

    @Amer: ask them to investigate the open threat he gave last night in protest outside ECP as well

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  • huma
    May 16, 2013 - 12:31PM

    i hope they do take action and its not a mere statement…

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  • huma
    May 16, 2013 - 12:33PM

    it might be just a statement made by uk police to stop us making the calls to them , so i suggest we keep on a follow up on the complaints we launched…

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  • np
    May 16, 2013 - 9:22PM

    @grunt: “The UK doesn’t usually tolerate people based on its soil to publicly incite OR ALLUDE to violence.”

    Are you sure of that? Have you heard some of the Friday sermons in Britain? Separately what about Pakistan? Any thoughts about people on Pakistani soil threatening violence against India and even geting coverage in Pakistani media on top of that?

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  • K. Salim Jahangir
    May 17, 2013 - 12:03AM

    NO…..i did not give my comments before,please post my comments.

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  • Aysha
    May 17, 2013 - 12:37PM

    I am unable to understand when Baluch leaders from all corners of the world declare that they no longer want to remain a part of the federation, it is not reprimanded but there is talk of redress and remedy. All Mr. Altaf Hussain said that IF MQM mandate is not unacceptable then federation can think of detaching Karachi, he didn’t like Baluch leaders announce a need to separate or put head money like Baluch leaders do.

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  • Tahir Ali
    May 17, 2013 - 12:48PM

    Do something about it.Please

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  • miz
    May 19, 2013 - 2:11PM

    @Water Bottle: Ofcourse there was no crime. Like there was no rigging. Also, there are no weapons in Khi and MQM is a peaceful democratic party. Its just PTI’s sore losers crying. This is proven by the fact JI, JUI and other parties are not protesting at all.

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  • May 31, 2013 - 11:13PM

    Altaf Hussain is the leader of majority of Karachities and whatever he speaks must be given respect.

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