Fazlur Rehman thought I'd declare Ahmadis Muslims, but I'm not a hypocrite: Imran Khan

Published: May 4, 2013

PTI Chairman Imran Khan addressing a public gathering at Attock. PHOTO: RASHID ALI/EXPRESS

SWABI: “Maulana [Fazlur Rehman] thought I would declare Ahmadis Muslims but Imran Khan is not a munafiq (hypocrite)”, said Imran Khan while addressing supporters at a rally in Swabi on Saturday. 

Imran spoke of initial allegations put forth by Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam – Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman of being supported by a Jewish lobby and said that the newest accusation of support from the Ahmadi lobby is to fool the nation.

“I’ve read the Holy Quran with translation and it clearly states that one who does not believe in the finality of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is not a Muslim. The Holy Quran asks us to follow the example of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and though it is not possible to reach his level of perfection, I try my best to be like him,” Imran said.

He further went on to say people like Rehman should stop selling religion to get votes and also asked them to prepare for a political death.

Background

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan on Thursday issued a statement saying that the “PTI totally subscribes to the article in the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the Ahmadis. It is not part of the PTI agenda to seek amendment of the said article in the Constitution.”

The PTI Chairman was referring to article 260-3 of the Constitution that declares Ahmadis non-Muslims. Additionally, articles 298-B and 298-C prohibit Ahmadis from posing as Muslims, calling their faith Islam, proselytising, or “in any manner whatsoever” outraging the religious feelings of Muslims.

This clarification came in response to a video clip that surfaced on social media, showing a woman named Nadia Ramzan Chaudhry in a meeting with Mirza Masroor Ahmad, spiritual leader of the Ahmadi community, in UK. According to the video, Chaudhry especially asked for Ahmadi votes on behalf of the PTI.

Khan denied any links with the woman and said that it would be against the Representation of the People Act, 1976 and instructions of the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) to ask for votes in this manner.

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Reader Comments (145)

  • Talha khan
    May 4, 2013 - 2:34PM

    What is PTI’s position on atheists? Will a PTI government start executing atheists if it comes into power?

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  • Junaid
    May 4, 2013 - 2:41PM

    @Talha khan: Lets not make inaccurate extrapolations. He didnt say he would hurt or treat anyone with discrimination based on religious affiliation. He only clarified his stand on his religious views.

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  • Lubna
    May 4, 2013 - 2:42PM

    Talha: Did he say anything about executing anyone??

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  • T R Khan
    May 4, 2013 - 2:42PM

    IK is also putting a spin on the religious angle. Politics and power corrupts most.

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  • zafar
    May 4, 2013 - 2:43PM

    @Talha khan:

    Most probably,IK’s voters will start beheading atheists if they come into power.Given the state of religious extremism in our society,there’s no place for atheists in the ‘Naya Pakistan’.

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  • Mj
    May 4, 2013 - 2:43PM

    @Talha khan:

    As IK has said that he follows the ‘examples’, he just might. One can never know.

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  • Salman
    May 4, 2013 - 2:45PM

    Khan sb, don’t get bogged down by likes of Fazal-ur-rehman etc. Just keep pushing your agenda and masses will ultimately come along. one thing we do want you to clearly say is that anyone Ahmadis, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Parsis etc all are Pakistanis and have absolutely same rights int this country and that your govt will NEVER discriminate on the basis of religion when it comes to serve masses.Recommend

  • Faisal
    May 4, 2013 - 2:45PM

    Let’s see more bashing against IK from Qadiyanis and their supporters till May 11th!!

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  • Usman Rashid
    May 4, 2013 - 2:47PM

    Atheists should leave Pakistan if IK wins the election.If he becomes PM,there will be no place in Pakistan for atheists.It will be a society for religious fundamentalists only if IK becomes Prime minister.Recommend

  • Black Widow
    May 4, 2013 - 2:48PM

    Imran Khan is our hero ! let him say the truth about Ahamqis !

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  • Mj
    May 4, 2013 - 2:49PM

    @Lubna:
    “…and though it is not possible to reach his level of perfection, I try my best to be like him,” Imran said.”

    The historical precedent is execution of atheists. The question now arises whether IK will support the same in light of the above statement.

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  • A.M.Khan
    May 4, 2013 - 2:53PM

    Well, aren’t Ahmadis human? and Pakistani? Muslims demand the highest quality of life in Christian countries and do not want to give the same freedom in their places

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  • qaiser habib
    May 4, 2013 - 2:54PM

    why should atheists be hanged ???????? no religion permits execution of people on the basis of cast, colour, cadre, credential and above all on the beliefs and religion.

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  • Mj
    May 4, 2013 - 3:00PM

    @qaiser habib:

    You might want to learn about your own, and hopefully your independent morality will disagree with its stance on the matter.

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  • TightPatloon
    May 4, 2013 - 3:02PM

    The mask is off now finally. IK is indeed a hyprocrite. Promising tabdeeli and naya Pakistan but inside his psychology is same as the old crowd. Nothing new here

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  • INDIAN SHIA
    May 4, 2013 - 3:05PM

    @qaiser habib: u r ryte brother no one can harm other bcas of religon. Bt in pakistan it is possible n happening in day to day

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 3:06PM

    Alas ! We can only pray for these Politicians/Molvies having no courage

    God is great and will do justice and World will see.

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  • Pointing the obvious
    May 4, 2013 - 3:08PM

    Imran Khan has not said he will place sanctions against them when in power or treat them as sub-humans. It is a very important clarification he had to make.
    He just said “anyone” who doesnt believe in the finality, not “Ahmadis who dont believe in the finality”.
    His rule is for all like it should be. This is not as offensive as people are claiming, its just a political clarification.
    He will, I am sure, treat all minorities, believers, non believers alike. Have faith in the new Pakistan we are all trying to create, with or without IK

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 3:10PM

    @Salman: Dear Salman when anyone says that i am muslim then do you think that anyone has right to say that you are not muslim……. do you have any answer?

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  • M.A.S
    May 4, 2013 - 3:13PM

    No issues being made an issue

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  • Haris
    May 4, 2013 - 3:13PM

    Predicting khan’s stance against athiest by your own, owing to the fact he didnt say anything yet about them is just so uncivilized mates.
    Degrading PTI by making c0nclusions on ur own w0nt harm khan’s campaign.
    Naya pakistan mubarak to all in advance :-D

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  • It sucks
    May 4, 2013 - 3:15PM

    Mr Khan, until two days earlier I was dead sure to vote for you. But, now I am amongst the ones who oppose. I was blinded by your false bravery, but you are nothing but a coward. You can’t stand for the miniorities and was so easily bullied by Mullahs. You can never be a true leader unless you cannot stand up for justice. To tell you the truth, you have failed your manifesto of justice and a new Pakistan.

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  • Black Widow
    May 4, 2013 - 3:17PM

    ET will evaporate with hatred for IK today ! INSHA ALLAH

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 3:18PM

    @Pointing the obvious: Dear Friend I think you don’t aware of Constitution, i recommend you to have a look at article 298-B & C and then comment on this page i’ll love to see your coment after That. And Remember if still your vote is for IK then i will pray for you because you are voting for Change….

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  • shoaib
    May 4, 2013 - 3:20PM

    IK is hypocrite, no doubt about it. This video shows he has gone mad for power and ready to beg even from Ahmadi’s. Now there is no doubt he had asked his Ex-Wife for Jewish Lobby Support as well. What a Jok ” I will never lie to this nation”

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 3:26PM

    @Haris: Dear Haris the addition in naya Pakistan will be the Word Naya Before Pakistan
    God help you ppl …… will pray for you.

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  • Tim
    May 4, 2013 - 3:28PM

    This article is bias. ET is avoiding the real issues and making a mountain of a molehill. The fact is Imran Khan may not be perfect but he is the best bet.

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  • shahzada pakistani
    May 4, 2013 - 3:30PM

    utterly disappointed with his stance!dont find any diference btw him and fazalur rehman!

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  • JS
    May 4, 2013 - 3:34PM

    “Come, Come Again!
    Whoever you are…
    Whether you are infidel,
    idolater or fire worshipper.

    Come even if you have broken
    your vows of repentance
    a hundred times
    this is not
    the gate of despair,
    this is the gate of hope.

    Come, come again…”

    -Rumi

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  • DisappointedPakistani
    May 4, 2013 - 3:35PM

    same old, same old. yes you are a hypocrite too, Imran Khan. And a coward, not to mention. IN POLITICS, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. You don’t realize how many followers you have lost by giving that statement. By giving that statement, you have proved that YOU DO NOT REPRESENT ALL OF PAKISTAN’S POPULATION, just those people who have the same religious beliefs as you. I HAVE LOST ALL HOPE IN YOU, AND YOUR SO CALLED NAYA PAKISTAN. It is because of people like you, that pakistan will never change. That we will never see the Naya Pakistan. Good luck, anyway. Lets see what happens in the upcoming elections.

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  • Riaz Khan
    May 4, 2013 - 3:39PM

    IK, I would have respected you much more if you would said that poor Ahmedis are Muslims also. Although I am not an Ahmedi but can tell you that they are much better human beings than so called Muslims.

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  • May 4, 2013 - 3:40PM

    Imran’s position is getting clearer and stronger by the day. His speeches make a lot of sense and carry appeal. Frankly, it assures me that he is NOT the same soap in a new wrapper. Salams

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 3:42PM

    Imran Khan you really disappointed this nation

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  • Naveen
    May 4, 2013 - 3:42PM

    @qaiser habib:

    “no religion permits execution of people on the basis of cast, colour, cadre, credential and above all on the beliefs and religion.”

    A technically and historically incorrect Statement.

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  • Umair
    May 4, 2013 - 3:43PM

    All,
    Where did he say he will execute atheists, or other non followers. By following Muhammad (P.B.U.H) he will bring justice and equality among all Pakistanis irrespective of the religious views and thats the teaching of Islam. I am sorry to read the comments which say IK lost their votes because of his statement, he just clarified that he is not Ahmadi thats all.

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 3:45PM

    Imran Khan You will pay …… for this by which Means God Knows But will.

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  • QAS
    May 4, 2013 - 3:45PM

    Dear All, one thing i want to share with you, you may keep in your mind for record that after 11 MAY(if election happens) OUR to be called HERO,Founder of New Pakistan will be entirely change,because due to his bad mouthing and wrong statments, un believe able promises he never achieve 2/3 so he will beg badly by all parties,all mulla,s, ahmadi,s.ppp.PML N.for which he is saying that never i will be partner in GOVT. because he is working for an specail task (new Pak) and some other activities with the help of Hidden aencies,religion lobbies and countries…so this is first and last chance to be a PM. for this he cn do every thing which you can not think..so keep it up !!! Proud to be a PTI member,hmhmmhhmRecommend

  • QAS
    May 4, 2013 - 3:52PM

    Dear Disappointed Pakistani@: please wait dont disoppoint soon, you will see more changes with in couple of days, those have more expectation with our Leader IK, they will badly feel shame due to his statements…I am also worry to see this video and regarding his thoughts….because he is not representing to nation he is representing to lobby by which his comparison is safe.other wise you have shown the condition of liberal parties..

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  • DisappointedPakistani
    May 4, 2013 - 3:54PM

    @Umair
    im sorry to read your comment, you dont understand the situation at all

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  • Zeeshan
    May 4, 2013 - 3:58PM

    @Talha khan:
    There are many more important issues/challenges to deal with so please be practical and sensible,

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  • anybodyagree
    May 4, 2013 - 3:59PM

    Naya Pakistan
    Is Just fraud…….????

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  • Naafey Sardar
    May 4, 2013 - 3:59PM

    How do you expect a man to stand up for a nation, when he cant even stand up for the minorities? Mr Khan, I am disappointed.

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  • Black Widow
    May 4, 2013 - 4:01PM

    @QAS:
    Yawn……..

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  • Mahmood
    May 4, 2013 - 4:09PM

    I feel Just another regular politician, Same Old Pakistan./ Change of Faces only / They were not Nice to Jinnah, Fatima Jinnah, Liaqat Ali Khan.
    How come the minorities be different than the legends, they were and will remain target to win opinion. SAME OLD PAKISTAN NOT QUAID’S PAKISTAN.

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  • bilal
    May 4, 2013 - 4:10PM

    IK help us please

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  • Waqas
    May 4, 2013 - 4:11PM

    Remember Imran khan Said: if you want a better pakistan you need Justice Wahh.. Khan sb
    ye acha Justice Hay….. You lost Thousands of Votes and thanks to share Your Views Before Election Now ppl can cast vote excluding You.

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  • Ali Abbasi
    May 4, 2013 - 4:38PM

    PTI reaction to this is summed by their saying that is not the biggest issue this country is facing and fighting it is not ‘practical’.

    So, just because they themselves are not dying and Ahmedis arent really a large enough democratic, their deaths are meaningless. Hilariously shameless pandering by Imran Khan and his deluded supporters. I hope you sleep well at night.

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  • holy me
    May 4, 2013 - 4:52PM

    Pakistan NEEDS Imran Khan. Pakistan needs to rise up in the world. The youth needs a leader like Imran Khan to bring world respect back to this glorious nation of Pakistan.

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  • dan
    May 4, 2013 - 4:55PM

    @Talha khan: no where in Islam we are taught to execute an atheist, so don’t worry pti govt won’t do that… Cheers!

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  • Sahibzada Javed
    May 4, 2013 - 4:58PM

    I am Ahmadi from Topi Swabi shame on Imran Khan, you are becoming more of maulana Niazi. Mind your own business, first convert your family to become Muslim.

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  • Ahmad Hashmi
    May 4, 2013 - 5:00PM

    @Talha khan: what a troll you are. These are people like you mix up issues and create confusion among masses. He didn’t start this but was pushed by others to respond to this unpleasant situation. Besides, nowhere is Islam it is mentioned of killing atheists. Stop saying things on social media for which you do not have any proof. First look at your morals, before accusing others.

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  • Cynic
    May 4, 2013 - 5:00PM

    @Mj:
    Don’t compound your ignorance with stupidity.

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  • Ahmad Hashmi
    May 4, 2013 - 5:03PM

    @A.M.Khan: well, no oneis denying the highest quality of life for Ahmedi’s. These are only declared as non muslims… And that’s it. By the way there are a number of EU countries that even being secular constitutionaly support christian faith at official level. Please enlighten yourself first on such issues before posting such wrong hypothetical questions.

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  • Ahmad Hashmi
    May 4, 2013 - 5:07PM

    @TightPatloon: Why maintaing a position on constitution accounts as a failure? Oh I see, as it deals with a religious issue. Well I must say that these are apologists like you who have brought us to a situation we are in. My sincere advice to you is that you enlighten yourself not only with contitution, but also with Islamic knowledge and about Ahmedis most importantly about the background of this current issue. I hope this would help you in understanding issues in a better sense.

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  • Ahmadi Muslim
    May 4, 2013 - 5:08PM

    Imran it is possible to be a Muslim and a hypocrite at the same time. Just read surah Al-Munafiqoon (with translation).

    Some Mullahs gave fatwa that you are a kafir !!!!!!!!!

    So when it comes to matters of personal belief, who does one inquire from?

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  • Ch. Allah Daad
    May 4, 2013 - 5:14PM

    Imran’s education has not put a single dent on his conservative views about other communities. Can anyone explain how he is different from Fazl-ur-Rehman?

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  • Shazia
    May 4, 2013 - 5:14PM

    They can’t even cast a vote. That’s hypocrisy.

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  • Ahmad Hashmi
    May 4, 2013 - 5:15PM

    @It sucks: My dear it doesn’t amount to bravery to make wrong decisions. We need to see issues without getting emotional and biased towards them. IK’s stance is very clear and I support it. Never forget than he was pushed into this unfortunate situation just a few days prior to elections to damage his vote bank. Don’t get onto into the trap of such people who wished alwaysnbad for Pakistan. Vote for him, or tell me a name who is declaring Ahmedis Muslims???

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  • Babloo
    May 4, 2013 - 5:16PM

    To prove that he is a ‘true Muslim’ , if PTI wins, more innocent Ahmedis may be killed in Pakistan.

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  • kashif
    May 4, 2013 - 5:23PM

    I don’t believe Christians are Muslims, but that does not mean I will hurt them or I won’t allow them to practice their religion. Kindly do not confuse two different issues here.

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  • expaki
    May 4, 2013 - 5:26PM

    Imran, “Fazlur Rehman thought I’d declare Ahmadis Muslims” first of all you are not authorized
    by Khuda to declare faith of anyone. of course Mullah Fazal is born HYPOCRITE, but Imran ! you are not less than him. Yes I am not an Ahmadi to clear, neither any more a Muslim.

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  • Imran
    May 4, 2013 - 5:27PM

    One Fazlu broke Imran’s spine. Coward!!

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  • John the Baptist
    May 4, 2013 - 5:28PM

    All the hypocrites frothing on their mouths with fake moral rage thought they could goad Imran into touching the third rail–he is too good and then some for all of these imbeciles, trained in the academy of halqa (or is it halva?) siyaset!

    Hats off to you Imran–you always say things the way they are! Godspeed. We are all with you with your prayers, money and vote. Go do some house cleaning in the stinking halls of power. And make sure that all minorities in Pakistan, including the poor Ahmadis, are treated with equality. Pakistan is not just for Muslims, it is for ALL Pakistanis.

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  • Shameema
    May 4, 2013 - 5:32PM

    Surely it is for God Almighty to decide who is or is not a Muslim. Sorry Imran Khan, you
    have just lost my vote… and respect.

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  • someone somewhere
    May 4, 2013 - 5:42PM

    @Lubna:
    he might not have said about executing anyone but you must remember there is enough hate material available in Pakistan and religious clerics leave no opportunity to spread venom against those who differ in belief.Be it Taliban or banned religious organisations.

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  • Sonia Wahab
    May 4, 2013 - 5:43PM

    Imran Khan will decide who is Muslim and who is not?

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  • Edge
    May 4, 2013 - 5:49PM

    For the people saying “did he say about executing them” Please go and read the number of incidents that occur due to these laws. People have been abusing these laws for a long time and will continue to do during your Khan’s term, that is if he gets elected. It’s the same case as the blasphemy laws.

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  • SAB
    May 4, 2013 - 5:54PM

    Funny how Tribune has captioned it… turning everything against Khan. Good journalism !

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  • Zulmi Cousin
    May 4, 2013 - 5:57PM

    So won’t the real Imran Khan …. Please stand up… please stand up? Oh wait!

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  • Mj
    May 4, 2013 - 6:03PM

    @Cynic:

    “Don’t compound your ignorance with stupidity.”

    What is the established punishment for apostasy? I am not the one who is ignorant or indulging in whitewashing less palatable commandments unsuitable for implementation in the modern age.

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  • Zeeshan
    May 4, 2013 - 6:13PM

    Guys…watch the new PPP paid content in Express News. This time they exposed the PML-N Feudal Lords who diverted the flood water towards the poor population to save their Crops. The video also provides the Judgement Reference in this matter.

    Seriously PPP did millions of BAD things to this country BUT by exposing their partners they are doing some good at last.

    So my dear PML-N supporters, what answer you have for your CM video where he was manipulating Judge. And also for this flooding of poor people of Pakistan.

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  • athar mahmood
    May 4, 2013 - 6:18PM

    IK you can never get a clean chit from a mullah..so don’t bother to press ahmadis again and again,it will just harm to your popularity and will be in no benefit.keep Bhutto’ example in mind,Fazal’s father Mufti Mahmood indulged him in such religio-political activities that later damaged country to an unprecedented level.

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  • Zeeshan
    May 4, 2013 - 6:24PM

    PML-N holding rally in Mandi Bahawuddin. The interesting part is they served lavish food for the participants/attendents.due to that when Nawaz Sharif was speaking to them it seemed that everyone was feeling tight and sleepy.

    This is a very old way of gathering people for political rally in Pakistan and people must not give vote on these obsolete, cheap tactics.

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  • Mj
    May 4, 2013 - 6:24PM

    @Cynic:
    “Don’t compound your ignorance with stupidity.”

    ET won’t publish my reply. Can you tell me the reason behind your statement.

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  • Ahmed
    May 4, 2013 - 6:25PM

    I’m an Ahmadi, and trust me although he should have sticked to the line:”We will provide justice to all”, still i’m of the opinion that he should not be cornered like this – not at this time of elections. Any one sympathizing with Ahmadies – ask yourself a question: “Do you have the guts to openly say – in front of a mullah – that you support removing the constitution that declares Ahmadies as non-muslim”. Think first, then talk about sympathizing.

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  • Ahmed
    May 4, 2013 - 6:28PM

    @Sahibzada Javed: You are not an Ahmadi, Ahmadies are not brought up like this to insult others !!

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  • Zeeshan
    May 4, 2013 - 6:29PM

    PTI government will protect all the minorities. So please be calm.

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  • Zulmi Cousin
    May 4, 2013 - 6:35PM

    Fazlur Rehman thought I’d declare Ahmadis Muslims, but I’m not a hypocrite: Imran Khan

    Ok, I won’t call you a hypocrite. But how about bigoted, hateful, narrow minded opportunist politician? Anything to win the vote of majority! Looks like you are fast learning the tricks o the trade, Kaptaan saheb. Ganda hai par dhandha hai ye!!!

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  • ALI
    May 4, 2013 - 6:36PM

    fazal is hypocrite

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  • Faheem
    May 4, 2013 - 6:39PM

    Imran just clarified his stance, and he is the only leader who went to meet Hazaras in Balochistan, went to address a special jalsa in Lahore of minorities.

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  • asim
    May 4, 2013 - 6:47PM

    He is a big hypocrite the whole life he enjoyed (remember SITA white and others ) and now wants to rule Pakistan; Anything can be expected out of him

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  • Fappy
    May 4, 2013 - 6:56PM

    “people like Rehman should stop selling religion to get votes”

    Irony, PAK FAN, Garmi mein tahnd ka aihsas!!

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  • Shanney Kaur (New Dehli)
    May 4, 2013 - 7:02PM

    Ahmadies are not allowed to preach their religion, whereas the constitution of Pakistan promises a free and level playing field for all. In India everyone is free to preach their beliefs. IK should learn from us.

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  • ahmad
    May 4, 2013 - 7:04PM

    IK is saying the truth. Ahmadis are not muslims however you look at it. But that doesn’t make them any less of a citizen of this country. Idk why you people are getting disappointed just because hes tellling the truth. He made a promise to this nation to tell them the truth and hes upholding it. If you believe that ahmadis are muslims then you probably have no idea about islam. Anyway that doesnt matter. He’s not going to do anything to them. Amd as far as atheists go there is no one who can harm you more than you have already harmed yourself.

    Keep calm and vote imran :)

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  • asim
    May 4, 2013 - 7:06PM

    @Talha khan:
    He could have married from Pakistan but he never; you also need to ask his stance on other religions.

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  • ahsan
    May 4, 2013 - 7:09PM

    Whats wrong with clearing his point of view on Ahmadis. Which other party wants to declare them Muslims? None. They are minoritiea and thier rights will be protected as minorities. Whatever IK says, haters gonna hate.

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  • kamran
    May 4, 2013 - 7:10PM

    Ahmadis are again being sold. Being used by everyone to prove their “Islamic” credentials. I doubt that people in the rally were Imran’s real audience when he said this.

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  • Mahar
    May 4, 2013 - 7:16PM

    @Sahibzada Javed:
    IK has expressed his view point which is correct, being a Muslim it’s our belief on words
    ( أشهد أن لااله الاالله وأشهد ان محمد رسول الله), if someone want to call himself a Muslim, he must/should have belief on these words…….else there is many religions/thoughts exist in this world and they have right to live within their compound…..he never shown his likeness or dis likeness except Muslim……..Mr. Sahibzada sahib…….first measure the things correctly then leave your comments…..!!!!

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  • DisappointedPakistani
    May 4, 2013 - 7:16PM

    ”Ye mera wada hai, ke Imran Khan na kabhi bikkay ga, na jhukkay ga, aur na kabhi asulon ka sauda kare ga”
    Khan sahab, aap to itni jaldi bikk bhi gaye aur jhuk b gaye…! You think its okay to sacrifice thousand’s of people’s BASIC RELIGIOUS RIGHTS if that means it strengthens your position as a politician. Wow. Hats off to you!
    I think as a good person, before a good muslim, you should be honest to yourself.

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  • Babloo
    May 4, 2013 - 7:23PM

    You are what you consider yourself. If I consider or declare myself a Hindu, absolutely no one else has any say in it. My religion is what I claim and is not for others to decide. So if an Ahmadi claims he is a muslim, for legal purposes he should be considered such. End of business. Its not for a amulvi or politician or courts to decide. A sunni Muslim would be free to not consider him muslim in his personal opinion and but he cannot enforce that legally.
    Imran Khan is fully exposed. He will not stand up against the religious bigots. That much is crystal clear.

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  • Rashid Khan
    May 4, 2013 - 7:43PM

    @Talha khan:

    Our party does not differentiate on the basis of creed, color, religion etc. Please read our manifesto(manshoor) for a detailed understanding of the rights of citizens and specially minorities, there is a whole section devoted to this very issue.

    Please understand that while we are vigilant for the protection of minorities we cannot and will not try to work outside the constitution. Ahmediya Community’s problem is due to certain clauses of the Constitution and The Objectives Resolution(the core guidelines for the constitution), therefore, that cannot be argued. However, as I said before, we strive to protect the rights of all minorities, which includes the Adhmediya Community.

    If you can spare time, please look into the concept of an Islamic Welfare State, which is also one of the vital points of our manifesto, hopefully, all your questions will be answered. You can also reach us on Facebook in case you want further clarification. Have a great day!

    Rashid Khan (ISF)

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  • zog
    May 4, 2013 - 7:43PM

    Sick and tired of religion in politics. All citizens should be treated equally, and have EQUAL opportunity. Ahmedis have fought for, and shed blood for the defence of Pakistan. A lot of “muslims” have spent the last 10 years butchering 70,000 other fellow Pakistani muslim citizens. There should not be any distinction between citizens any more. ENOUGH!

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  • kamran
    May 4, 2013 - 7:52PM

    Ahmadis are again being sold. Being used by everyone to prove their “Islamic” credentials. I doubt that people in the rally were Imran’s real audience when he said this.Recommend

  • ashar
    May 4, 2013 - 7:58PM

    @Babloo:

    You cannot proclaim yourself to be a Christian without making the Christians believe that or at least baptized.

    Similarly there are certain set of beliefs that are needed for a person to be recognized as a Hindu or any body can go to the temple and declare.

    Islam is the only true religion on the face of this earth, and whosoever want to be recognized as Muslim should follow the rule.

    IKhas done what he had to. He is a Muslim first then a politician and it is his personal opinion as well as his policy statement and so it is for every Muslim.

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  • Imtiaz
    May 4, 2013 - 8:06PM

    @Salman: brother you have no idea what IK’s position is on anything, he is the new face of maulvi’s because they needed a facelift. He is the new spokesperson for taliban – when they are on record of terrorizing the elections, and their followers confessed to killing BB, and he is still defending them. He is being master-minded by the likes of Gen (R) Hamid Gul. Good luck to naya Pakistan.

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  • Imtiaz
    May 4, 2013 - 8:09PM

    @kamran: at least it is getting us free advertisement.

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  • ProudAhmadiMuslim
    May 4, 2013 - 8:16PM

    To all the people still with IK, i just want to say, that I am a proud Muslim, alhumdulillah, and none of you can decide my religion. It is not upto political parties or so called mullahs to decide someone’s religion. Don’t you think we should leave this job to Allah?
    Mullahs and so called muslim have been taking advantages of anti-ahmadi laws for ages. But you wouldn’t care, would you? Because its not your father, brother or son who gets brutally murdered! Its just some random person you don’t know.
    If this law is not amended, Ahmadis will remain subject to this inhumane treatment. You all need to understand this.
    Today if a Pakistani Ahmadi is witnessed reciting the first kalma, he/she is subject to three years in jail. Just let that sink in. Do you think that’s fair? To put someone in jail just because he says ‎ﻵ ﺍِﻟَﻪَ ﺍِ ﻟّﺎ ﺍﻟﻠّﻪُ ﻣُﺤَﻤَّﺪٌ ﺭَﺳُﻮُﻝ ﺍﻟﻠّﻪِ‏‎ ?
    DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER? DO YOU?

    For once, can we please keep religion out of politics?
    Can we please not let mullahs have their way with Pakistan?
    Can we please, PLEASE, help in saving Pakistan’s justice system? Allah is definitely not happy with our political leaders who cannot even provide basic rights to religious minorities. Or do you think He is? Because its not like Pakistan is prospering. And haqooq-ul-ibad comes before haqooq-Allah.
    Ek insan ka qatal puri insaniat ka qatal hai.
    No one, and i mean NO ONE, deserves to die on the basis of his beliefs.
    Ahmadis should be considered Muslims as well, and should be allowed to vote as citizens of Pakistan.
    I love my country, i love Pakistan, but i am ashamed of the fact that it is not able to provide me the same lifestyle and respect as its normal citizens. Kya bannay ga is mulk ka.

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  • across the border
    May 4, 2013 - 8:26PM

    Its a non issue really isn’t it? I mean the guy needs to come in power. He needs the vote of the people who are Muslims and of course majority of Pakistanis do not consider the Ahmedais and Qadianis as Muslims. If Imran Khan comes in support of Ahmedais and Qadianis, chances are parties like JUI etc. will try to en cash it in rural areas where people have low education and are more cling to their religious believes. May be in urban centers, people are not that hard core religious extremists but same can not be said for rural people. I think what he really needs to comment on is blasphemy laws which are a very easy tool for carrying our persecution of minorities.

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  • DisappointedPakistani
    May 4, 2013 - 8:28PM

    If a surgeon needs to offer his prayers and his patient lies on the deathbed waiting to be treated upon at the same time, it is his duty to save the patients life first even if that means he has to miss his prayer for that. He has to act like a doctor first, and then a Muslim to please God.
    Similarly, Mr. Khan, or any other politician for that matter, has to act like a politician first, and then a Muslim, because he has a whole country’s fate in his hands. He cannot discriminate on the basis of his own religious beliefs, please try to understand. He has to ensure security for all religious minorities, and as long as the constitution is not amended, that is not possible.

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  • Salman
    May 4, 2013 - 8:36PM

    When did Imran Khan mention about executing Ahamdi’s or atheist? Why are people making their own presumptions? Ahmadi’s are ‘not’ muslims. They should be given equal rights. Imran Khan never mentioned that he was against Ahamdi’s, he was clearing his views about religious perception. Recommend

  • topi nopi
    May 4, 2013 - 8:37PM

    Hahaha! I was there, dear tribune, at the jalsa, and now you have given this angle to defame and main Imran Khan—you have remained the same Imran-hating newspaper that you will always be—my years of working with you just affirmed my distrust of your ‘news agenda’..publish this if you can, if you cannot, i care naught—but a sound advice, pls continue to harp on Taliban Khan mantra, that suits you more, this does not—you dont peg your headline to something he never even said—listen to his video recording again and then banish your reporter to lala land!

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  • Babloo
    May 4, 2013 - 8:44PM

    @Ashar,
    You are wrong. I can declare myself a Christian ( non denominational, that means not belonging to any particular church or sect ) and I will be legally considered Christian as per laws both in USA and India. End of discussion.

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  • Babloo
    May 4, 2013 - 8:47PM

    @ashar,
    you said “Islam is the only true religion”

    The other day , some drug addicts too claimed that ‘there’s is the only true religion’.

    I give all such claims equal credence.

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  • Amira
    May 4, 2013 - 9:05PM

    @ashar:
    “Islam is the only true religion on the face of this earth”

    This is your own belief and you are free to believe whatever you like (as people of other faiths may too!). However, religion is a private matter and should not be shoved into other peoples’ faces! And especially it should not play any role whatsoever in politics.

    Imran Khan is too much of a born-again Muslim for my taste – reminds me somewhat of G. W. Bush, who was a born-again Christian (and remember what he did when he was President of the USA!!!) -, and I sincerely hope that he will never, never win.

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  • Umer
    May 4, 2013 - 9:15PM

    @Faisal:
    Well ofcourse anyone should bash the bigot.

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  • mehar ali
    May 4, 2013 - 9:25PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biC8FFZFZBg&feature=youtu.be&a

    In this video Canadian Pakistanis disussing the issue. PTI member also seems disappointed and thinks IK has lost his liberal vote because of his statement.

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  • anonymous
    May 4, 2013 - 9:34PM

    If only Khan had the luxury of ignoring this issue….

    In any case, lets not delude ourselves into thinking that any other party is going to take a different line. Unfortunately, thanks to ZAB this issue in untouchable for many years to come.

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  • shahid
    May 4, 2013 - 9:36PM

    Its not to say that we should be killing them , but its also not to say that we should push the agenda of declaring them Muslims under the cover of elections and condemn all those who rightly calls them non Muslims. They are however , Pakistanis and should be given equal rights.Recommend

  • Pk
    May 4, 2013 - 10:08PM

    Mr Khan, whatever your views on Ahmadis as Muslims and Non-Muslims, the fact remains that they are under constant persecution in Pakistan and if you can’t at the very least offer them protection in ur electoral mandate, it can only be left to imagination what would become of them once you are elected. It is understandable that saying in media that Ahmedis should not be declared Muslims can cost you votes, but that does not mean that you cannot talk about protecting the lives of all ethnic and religious minorities in Pakistan. It is ur job to do that Mr Khan if you are elected. You cannot shy away and paper over such issues.

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  • Anonymous
    May 4, 2013 - 10:46PM

    Shame on you, Imran

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  • MAVREK
    May 4, 2013 - 11:20PM

    Imran Khna has only clarified his and his party’s stand on the “religious fatwa” taken by the political National Assembly of Pakistan on 7th September 1974 declaring “Ahmadis as non-Muslim” and which “fatwah” was included in the Constitution of the “Islamic” Republic of Pakistan.

    From that day onwards, there are two types of citizens in Pakistan: First Class Citizens -Muslims and Second Class citizens – those considered as non-Muslims by the National Assembly of Pakistan by Pakistan Peoples Party which had come into power with the support of the Ahmadiyya community in 1970.

    Now it is up to the people of Pakistan whether they want the “Naya Pakistan” to have two types of citizenry: First Class and Second Class and continue to divide Pakistan on religious basis.

    OR, they want to have a “Quaid-e-Azam’s Pakistan” where all citizens are EQUAL as far as the state is concerned.

    The choice is of course of the people of Pakistan. And while making this choice, the people will be responsible for what hapens to Pakistan as a country.

    MAV
    Sweden

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  • Tahir Gondal
    May 4, 2013 - 11:32PM

    I am a proud Ahmadi Muslim and I don’t care what IK thinks of me. All I care is what the Al Mighty thinks of me. Recommend

  • Temur
    May 4, 2013 - 11:38PM

    I am not an Ahmedi but I really feel sorry for this poor community. Only Allah can decide who is Muslim and who not. Let Ahmedis live in peace and don’t involve them in the dirty politics of Pakistan.

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  • Najeebullah
    May 4, 2013 - 11:42PM

    Ok I’ll agree with you that it is justified to place Ahmadis in the category of non-muslims, but is the Taliban atrocities on the Pakistanis also justified?? you seems to be supporting them all the time.

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  • Jinnah's B Team
    May 4, 2013 - 11:58PM

    “Ahmadis are Muslims if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.” — Muhammad Ali Jinnah (05 May 1944).

    Obviously “Naya Pakistan” is the antithesis of Jinnah’s “Purana Pakistan”.

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  • Burhan
    May 5, 2013 - 12:35AM

    What a lame argument by IK..We are morally and intellectually dead..and now the fool nation is at the hands of another foolish leader. Rest in Peace Pakistan :’(

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  • Khawaja
    May 5, 2013 - 1:49AM

    @DisappointedPakistani:

    Is this your own fatwa or did you get it from some Dar-ul-Ifta?

    If you got it from some Dar-ul-Ifta then can we please see a link to it? And if not can we please refrain from giving rulings without knowledge.

    Was-Salam

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  • Khawaja
    May 5, 2013 - 1:56AM

    @Sahibzada Javed:

    I am no Imran khan supporter but atleast his family does not pretend to be Muslims when indeed they aren’t. So rather than telling others to convert their families, one should at least stop the mass fraud of calling themselves something they are not. Recommend

  • Salman
    May 5, 2013 - 2:57AM

    @Mj:

    What is the established punishment for apostasy? I am not the one who is ignorant or indulging in whitewashing less palatable commandments unsuitable for implementation in the modern age.

    Almost the same punishment as prescribed in the Old Testament.

    Your previous posts referred to ‘atheists’ and now you flip flop to ‘apostasy’, the two are not necessarily synonymous with each other.

    During our Prophet’s (PBUH) time, nearly ALL Muslims who became apostates reverted to their old pagan religions and hence were not technically termed as ‘atheists’.

    Show us one example during the Prophet’s time (PBUH) and Islamic Caliphate where atheists were punished for professing that they did not believe in ANY God, nor adhered to no religion?

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  • May 5, 2013 - 3:17AM

    There goes justice out the window.

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  • Morons
    May 5, 2013 - 3:35AM

    IK has blundered out this situation. It is not the responsibility of the state to declare its citizens to a particular religion/group. Neither is it a responsible statement from a national leader clearing up his stance on religious issues. In other words, its none of the business of one person to torture the other person/group based on his/her/their beliefs. Its such a fundamental code of human rights that IK failed to acknowledge. And now he is in deep filth. He should better apologize to the nation in general and Ahmadis in particular.

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  • May 5, 2013 - 5:22AM

    Mr. M.A. Jinnah Quid-e-Azam declares Ahmadis as Muslims
    On 23 May 1944 the Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah gave his views at a press conference during his visit to Kashmir that Ahmadis are Muslims and entitled to join the Muslim Conference organization which consisted of Muslims. We quote below from the Urdu book Tahrik Huriyyat Kashmir (History of Independence Movements in Kashmir), volume 2, 1936 – 1945, page 291:

    “Newspaper correspondents asked him a question about Mirza’is, that they are not being allowed to join the Muslim Conference because they are considered as non-Muslims. What is your opinion about this? Mr. Jinnah replied: ‘Who am I to declare a person as non-Muslim who calls himself a Muslim?’ ”
    A footnote in the book at this point explains the background to the question:
    “At the revival of the Muslim Conference, its constitution had been made flexible so that no Ahmadi could become a member of the Conference.”

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  • lkhan
    May 5, 2013 - 8:24AM

    For one, I start my day by reading the ET – its reporting is fair and extensive, stating events that often are not covered by other Pakistani papers. I do not consider it as bashing IK as many accuse it of. It is good to be informed without hysteria or irrational ways. Please keep up your reporting, and brilliant editorials, your defense of human rights issues, and the social welfare of Pakistanis regardless of the criticism amongst many readers who it seem have vested interests!

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  • Umer
    May 5, 2013 - 9:47AM

    PTI position is simple Ahmedis are not muslims but under no circumstances will they be discriminated, targeted, humiliated etc. being the minority of the country !!! Ahmedis are as much Pakistani as a Non Ahmedi Pakistani. May Allah give Imran khan the strength to do what he claims. But one thing is for sure he is not a hypocrate and it takes a lot of courage to speak what he feels knowing that this could dent his campaign as ahmedis and so called liberals might turn away.

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  • Hassan
    May 5, 2013 - 9:56AM

    @Talha khan:
    Dont worry you are safe.

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  • Hasan
    May 5, 2013 - 11:46AM

    Thank you for showing your true colors IK. That was important for your would be supporters right before the elections. Nothing better to open their eyes than your own statements.

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  • Ali imran
    May 5, 2013 - 12:30PM

    Imran khan need maturity of ideas.
    he claimed that he is brave but he is afraid of extremist
    he uses emotions more than sense
    he could be a good mobilizer but lack the maturity a leader need
    he can not be given a responsible post

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  • Mj
    May 5, 2013 - 12:46PM

    @Salman:

    Search for Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57, and you’ll have your answer.

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  • Nyla
    May 5, 2013 - 1:29PM

    Why this non issue is made issue?IK did not say any thing about their rights or status in Pakistan.He simply stated a fact that they are non Muslims.

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  • Rat-Chooha
    May 5, 2013 - 1:30PM

    Insaaf sub key liey (Ahmadiyon, christian, hindus sey maazrat)

    Naya Pakistan – Hahahahah

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  • Muhammad
    May 5, 2013 - 1:33PM

    @Faisal:

    Faisal, we Ahmadiies are least bothered by these political gimmics, Kindly see the original video behind this whole fiasco and then utter any word.

    Hadiath (PBUH): Kisi insaan key jhoota honey key liey itna hi kaafi hey key suni sunai baat ko baghier tasdeeq key aagey phela dey…

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  • Muhammad
    May 5, 2013 - 1:39PM

    @Khawaja:

    So Khawaja Sahib when did Almighty gave you the right to tell who is pretending and who is not….the last time I checked, it was Almighty himself who knew “dillon key haal”…

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  • faridy
    May 5, 2013 - 1:47PM

    @Sahibzada Javed:
    please u too need to think why he said that …….

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  • Mj
    May 5, 2013 - 2:07PM

    @Salman:
    “Almost the same punishment as prescribed in the Old Testament.”
    We aren’t talking about the Old Testament here, are we? My concern is with legal and religious doctrines of the dominant faith.

    “Your previous posts referred to ‘atheists’ and now you flip flop to ‘apostasy’, the two are not necessarily synonymous with each other.”

    The discussion we’re having relates to Pakistan which has a 97% majority, and it would be logical to deduct that most who leave religion in the country would be from that majority. The worrisome bit here is that a large percentage thinks that it is sufficient grounds for capital punishment (refer to recent Pew survey for relevant statistics).

    “During our Prophet’s (PBUH) time, nearly ALL Muslims who became apostates reverted to their old pagan religions and hence were not technically termed as ‘atheists’.”

    Not necessarily, and a thing of little concern since jurisprudence considers leaving the religion to be sufficient for application of capital punishment regardless of whether a person has chosen another religion or not.

    “Show us one example during the Prophet’s time (PBUH) and Islamic Caliphate where atheists were punished for professing that they did not believe in ANY God, nor adhered to no religion?”

    Reference has been provided in an earlier comment.

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  • Ali
    May 5, 2013 - 2:09PM

    @Talha khan:
    There are hardly any atheists in Pakistan! Your argument is completely invalid!

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  • Disgusted
    May 5, 2013 - 6:41PM

    Mr IK, the mullahs are always going to be against you, given your personal history. Don’t make the same mistake ZAB did in 1974. Don’t torment an oppressed, law abiding minority group to try and appease your mullah enemies or kill them to establish your credentials.

    Don’t forget what these mullahs did to ZAB in 1979.

    The laws against this group are a violation of basic international conventions of which Pakistan is a signatory. That the Constitution contains clauses that in any civilized country would be considered gross violations of fundamental human rights is not something to defend or be proud of.

    For the sake of argument, let us not even consider this community. Who is going to be the next target of the ‘this group cannot be Muslims’ refrain? This is one path any political leader in Pakistan should not and cannot afford to tread. Not even for a few thousand votes or a seat or two. I doubt you have time for reading the Munir Report, but maybe one of your supporters can summarize the short book by Justice Munir “From Jinnah to Zia” so that you can understand the risks to the state of Pakistan by involving the state in religion and ceding power to mullahs.

    One thing is clear, the future just became bleaker for ALL minorities and the “wrong” kind of Muslims if your party gets any number of seats….

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  • Falooda
    May 5, 2013 - 7:05PM

    @Ali:
    I am. As if we’d reveal ourselves to be killed by you people, which would be the highest form of insult.

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  • coldcoffe
    May 5, 2013 - 9:37PM

    ahmedis are non muslims.no further comments please.

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  • May 5, 2013 - 9:42PM

    so what I’m getting from this is an Fazlur Rehman is an anti-semite and Imran Khan is a bigot? Can we please have Jinnah back?

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  • disappointed
    May 5, 2013 - 11:14PM

    I suport Imran Khan but this is really disappointing from a man who prides himself on his morals. He clearly has no backbone and wont risk his neck for an innocent downtrodden minority.

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  • Hassan Farooq
    May 6, 2013 - 12:40AM

    @Black Widow:

    People like you is why Pakistan will forever remain a terrible place to live for anyone who’s not a straight, rich, Muslim man.

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  • Ashfaaq Khan
    May 6, 2013 - 2:12AM

    Islam means Peace and its teaching is equality for all , love for all hatred for none , The only reason for discriminating anyone is hatred , hatred is a poison and until and unless this poison is washed out from pakistan , peace and true teaching of Islam will never prevail. Imran Khan always used to say that his party is for equality but now when it comes for action time ,he is going against his own wordings. May Allah give him Hidayat ..Ameen.

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  • Observer
    May 6, 2013 - 5:46AM

    I have nothing against IKE. But this is a fascist comment and has today painted himself in the same shade as zia ul haq today. It’s a pity I thought he showed promise when he first arrived

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  • DisappointedPakistani
    May 6, 2013 - 6:29PM

    @Khawaja:
    sigh. You did not just say that. Thats the problem with us; we dont agree with using our common sense. I cant believe your asking for a fatwa on such a simple matter!
    If you need to offer your prayers and the time’s slipping out, and there’s a man drowning in a lake in front of you, don’t tell me you wouldn’t try to save him just because you’ll miss your prayer!
    Is that how unimportant someone’s life is?
    Allah has Himself explained that Haqooq-ul-Ibad come before Haqooq-ul-Allah, and Allah is displeased if we do not treat His creations well. Do you think He would be pleased with you if you let a human being, let alone an animal, die right in front of your eyes while you go and pray! Do you think your prayers would be accepted by Allah?

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