India says OIC has no jurisdiction on Kashmir, slams Pakistan efforts to raise issue

Published: February 8, 2013

Hundreds of Kashmiris staged an emotional demonstration, asking India, Pakistan to withdraw troops. PHOTO: AGENCIES/FILE

With some weariness, the government of India rejected all claims made by Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar at the meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) about Kashmir.

Responding to questions about the statement made at the recently concluded OIC Contact Group meeting on Indian Kashmir held in Cairo, the official spokesperson said, “The OIC has no locus standi on matters concerning the internal affairs of India or the recent incidents on the LoC. We have already clarified that UMOGIP has no relevance in regard to the latter. The propagandist suggestions made in the foreign minister’s statement are neither new nor helpful”.

In the past too, Pakistan’s efforts to raise the issue of Kashmir at the OIC have been rejected by India.

The OIC, in a joint statement at its 12th summit in Cairo, asked India to allow international human rights groups and humanitarian organisations to visit Jammu & Kashmir.

Khar had stressed the need to find a just and peaceful solution of the Kashmir dispute. The Secretary General OIC as well as foreign ministers of Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia also extended their support to the people of Jammu and Kashmir in their statements.

The OIC had also implored the Indian government to carry out its own independent investigation into the discovery of mass graves in Indian Kashmir and to hold fair trials for those responsible for the crimes.

Reader Comments (83)

  • Pawroti
    Feb 8, 2013 - 5:56PM

    Was India invited to the summit?

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  • Mika
    Feb 8, 2013 - 5:56PM

    Noose in tightening India. You can’t occupy people against their free will.

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  • Manju
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:00PM

    Would OIC also look into the issue of Baluchistan which is a Muslim area being systematically bullied by its occupier Pakistan?

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  • FactCheck
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:01PM

    Why don’t the Islamic countries be concerned Human Rights violations in their own countries. Muslim ruled countries are the worst violators on record, Pakistan being in the top.

    Rights violation is daily occurrence in Pakistan and bringing it up in OIC is ludicrous. Pakistani’s and OIC citizens only dream of as much rights in India in their own countries.

    Someone once said, Happy Muslims = Indian Muslims.

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  • Stranger
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:03PM

    why should there be one state of Kashmir,Lets keep it this way .India keeps one part and Pak keeps one part.

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  • Yoghurt lover
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:13PM

    Perhaps it is time to nuke Pak.

    And India should get rid of the no-first-use policy.

    In fact, as far as Pakistan is concerned, India should have Use-Now policy.Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:20PM

    ““The OIC has no locus standi on matters concerning the internal affairs of India or the recent incidents on the LoC. We have already clarified that UMOGIP has no relevance in regard to the latter. The propagandist suggestions made in the foreign minister’s statement are neither new nor helpful”.”

    what? Kashmir IS NOT your “INTERNAL AFFAIRS”. You have been colonizing it since 1947.

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  • Deb
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:21PM

    Who are OIC? Does India owe them anything? Are we relatives?
    Its much ado about nothing.

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  • Naveen
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:33PM

    Well said, What would OIC do anyway. Apply Sharia on Indian troops?
    Besides India is not even a member of this religio-political gathering, so has nothing to answer to it.

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  • KarachiBaby
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:34PM

    Pakistan has used the Indian tactics this time. Well done HRK.

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  • Indian
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:45PM

    We streat OIC as Oh.. I See….Who cares ?

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  • G. Din
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:47PM

    @Stranger:
    “Lets keep it this way .India keeps one part and Pak keeps one part. “
    Have you been authorized to say that, either by India or Pakistan? I am sure your individual opinion has been taken into advisement (another way of saying “put on the back burner”).

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  • Ss
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:49PM

    @stranger

    it can’t happen coz some people who cannot handle what they have want ‘more’.

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  • skilleqt
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:54PM

    @Cratiwaz
    Pakistan is generally ruled by the Non-Punjabis

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  • Feb 8, 2013 - 6:54PM

    @Stranger:
    kashmir is not a piece of cake to be divided in two parts. you dnt know anything about philosophy of nations. states, religions etc.

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  • Enlightened
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:56PM

    An apt reply and shut up call to both Pakistan and OIC by India. Pakistan should refrain from raising the pitch and stop further internationalising the issue which would only result in cancellation of talks and all agreements reached between the two countries.

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  • F
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:58PM

    Non Muslim countries should open an inquiry into why “Islamic” countries eliminate and discriminate against non-Muslims. Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia would be leading candidates. Shias and Balochis – all Muslims, being persecuted in ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan would be a good case study for the pious and concerned within the OIC.

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  • Dharamveer
    Feb 8, 2013 - 6:59PM

    Tribune never publish my comments.Recommend

  • ashu
    Feb 8, 2013 - 7:06PM

    in these 60 years i dont understand what pakistan actually wants…kashmir or the kashmiris???but they also need to understand that the latter one does not comes free with the later one though india is not going to give either of them to pakistan..infact the condition of today’s pakistan is grim and itself guarantees that no kashmiri having a sane mind would atleast think twice before leaving india for pakistan,cause for the kashmiris pakistan does not have anything to offer unlike india.

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  • Watan(Indian)
    Feb 8, 2013 - 7:06PM

    India should address Pakistan concerns and Pakistan should address Indian concerns for peace and tranquility.Indian concerns are Baluchistan and Pakistan concerns is Kashmir.Lets solve Baluchistan and Kashmir for ever.

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  • Manju
    Feb 8, 2013 - 7:10PM

    @Mika:
    You can’t occupy people against their free will.
    You mean like Baluchistan???

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  • Naveen
    Feb 8, 2013 - 7:20PM

    @Mika:

    Indeed and We are so afraid that we plan an unconditional surrender to the mercy of the great OIC whose prestigious members include the mighty Somalia, Mali, Uganda, Nigeria, Niger, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and last but not the least Palestine.

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  • Manju
    Feb 8, 2013 - 7:20PM

    The OIC, in a joint statement at its 12th summit in Cairo, asked India to allow international human rights groups and humanitarian organisations to visit Jammu & Kashmir.
    The OIC should also in a joint statement at their next summit elsewhere ask the UN human rights groups and humanitarian organisations to come and visit their own homes…

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  • Feb 8, 2013 - 7:38PM

    @Manju: Would OIC also look into the issue of Baluchistan which is a Muslim area being systematically bullied by its occupier Pakistan ?*

    Let me re-phrase that:

    Would OIC also look into the issue of Baluchistan which is a Muslim area where controversy is hatched against non-state elements funded by RAW.

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  • Falcon
    Feb 8, 2013 - 7:57PM

    I agree that OIC needs to look at the issue of Balochistan and Syria as well. But India making a fuss out of it also reflects badly. All Pakistan has asked for is to bring in human rights groups to look into the matter. Unless India is beginning to question authenticity of everything from UN to human rights groups, her concerns are exaggerated. India needs to act like a rising giant not like a cry baby.

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  • naeem khan Manhattan,Ks
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:02PM

    Kashmir is not integral part of India and therefore it is not interfering in the internal affairs of India, Kashmir is a disputed territory where India’s PM Nehru promised in the United Nation to have plebiscite in Kashmir and let the people of Kashmir decide their fate and protect their human rights. The whole world knows what Indian security forces are doing in Kashmir , rapes and killings are the norm in that unfortunate country. Why are you Indians so afraid to have plebiscite as you have promised to the world community. India’s democracy is a farce and we know it. Quebec province in Canada wanted to secede and they were given the chance through referendum and the majority decided to stay in the union and THAT IS CALLED TRUE DEMOCRACY.

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  • Raj - USA
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:19PM

    @fawad:
    Kashmir is not a piece of cake to be divided in two parts???????

    Of course it is. Kashmir has already been divided in three parts viz., Indian Territory, Territory held by Pakistan and Territory gifted by Pakistan to China. I am reasonably sure that even China wants status-quo as they shall not give back the territory they control. Who knows? One day, India and China may come together and share the entire Kashmir amongst themselves. Both countries do not want to see destructive Islamic influence in the region which only becomes a breeding ground for terrorists. China has not raised any concern on any of the dams India is building in the Kashmir region and additionally has refused to fund Pakistan’s Diamer Bhasha Dam.

    As for OIC, India did not give an inch even when OIC had some clout India was economically weak.

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  • Talat M
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:28PM

    @Mika:
    what the heck is OIC, is it still functional? long dead horse.

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  • Pravin
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:34PM

    Dude, India needs to do the same with the kashmiri Separatist that Srilanka did with LTTE, once and for all…all clear… or just get up with war with pakistan and finish it once and for all, what will happen max, India will loose 30% of the population in war ..thats Fine, but a rotten country will be finished from the face of the world.

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  • Muhammad Rizwan Ali
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:36PM

    @Pawroti:
    Why India should be invited in OIC?

    These are Muslim Countries Summit

    Now, in coming days, all countries will support to the people of Jammu and Kashmir

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  • Thomas
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:38PM

    Pakistan tried #4 wars, 20 years terrorism, nothing worked for these clowns. Now the stupid girl(foreign minister) wants peaceful resolution. India has said “take hike”. India will settle the matter with Kashmiris in a way it likes and at a time when it decides. These imbicle pakistanis and their government will have nothing to do with it. And India, the way it seems, is willing to go to nuclear war if the need arises, if necessary. OIC has no right to comment or interfere in this matter, impotent people will try to get into thing that they have nothing to do with.

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  • Raj - USA
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:38PM

    @Mika:
    @Manju:
    There is no comparison between Kashmir and Baluchistan. Pakistan is not occupying the people there against their free will. Very few are left now as most have been driven out. Baluch leaders have fled to other countries and many local Baluch are vanishing every day only to be seen later in pieces in gunny bags. Even their language is not taught in schools or universities in Baluchistan. They are being culturally merged to Punjab and Punjabi population there is increasing every day. This is not the case in Kashmir where its leaders, even if they are at times anti-India, are all living in India and that too on the welfare funds provided by the Indian government. They travel freely to other countries and return back to India.

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  • Prav
    Feb 8, 2013 - 8:39PM

    guys, we have a clear solution here, Let the govt of india scrap the Special status given to kashmir, once thats done people from other states of India can buy alnd or setup business in Kashmir. We will ask lalu prasad yadav to push all the Biharies in Kashmir and we all know what happens when Biharies go to any states !!! All the other people run out of that city, same like thats happening in MUmbai…ek Bihari, sou Bimari !!!

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  • David_Smith
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:08PM

    @Falcon: Look, India was reacting to the OIC thing. OIC doesn’t count, not even in the Muslim world – primarily because it has not addressed any issue even in the Muslim world effectively! I’m sure you already know that..

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  • Feb 8, 2013 - 9:17PM

    @Manju:
    when u wake up from ur sleep,, u may know that there are no UN Resolutions on Balochistan. There are few militants funded by ur country. Have u ever seen a single rally in Balochistan seeking secession? Balochistan’s population is 2.6% of Pakistan, in which more 50% are Pakhtuns, 8% are punjabis and Hazaras. and for your further education, may i inform you, that in most thickly Baloch inhabited areas like Dera Muard Jamali, there is no such issue. so stop worrying about Balochistan. and u ppl have no option to settle Kashmir, thats for sure

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  • BHK
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:18PM

    OIC? who? whatever

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  • MJ
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:18PM

    A little history lesson for my Indian friends. Indian forces after partition attacked and occupied the princely states of Junagarh, Hyderabad and parts of Kashmir. UN ordered referendum in all three areas that both India and Pakistan agreed to and signed on. India allowed voting in Hindu majority areas of Hyderabad and Junagarh and “legally” took over the administrations after people voted in favor of India. Kashmiris on the other hand are still waiting the promised referendum even after several dozen UN & security council resolutions. Inida would have lost elections in Kashmir in the past and will lose them if they are held in the future. If Kashmir was a Hindu majority state like the ones mentioned above elections would have been held there 60 years ago.

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  • BlackJack
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:22PM

    @Falcon:
    Why not get the OIC to condemn the drone strikes? Possibly because they are being launched with the support (and from the soil) of key member states? These are countries that don’t even see eye-to-eye and they have the gall to advise us on what to do about a situation that has been created by the meddling of one of their member states. The OIC has no locus standi – it is like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad asking Pakistan to look into forced conversions. A club of decadent dictatorships, oil oligarchies and almost-failed states pointing fingers at India is the stuff that poor jokes are made of.

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  • Blithe
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:28PM

    @Manju:
    Don’t confuse matters.
    Baluchistan is part of Pskistan by all legal instruments ;
    Kashmir is a disputed territory as per UN Resolutions , i.e. India is illegally occupying Kashmir .

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  • murvez pasharaf
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:44PM

    What is OIC?

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  • Adnan
    Feb 8, 2013 - 9:49PM

    This is with all due respect to Indians.
    We know that as nation we are almost touching the very bottom, we are losing internally and externally and are a wounded nation right now. But in all this we are getting to know the reasons for the slide and there will be a day that we as a nation will realise and will rise again.
    The problem with you Indians is that, because west is seeing a big market because of your huge population they are pampering you and camouflaging the evils of your society which are decaying the basis of the society.
    Just an example the Global Hunger Index (GHI) Report places India amongst the three countries where the GHI between 1996 and 2011 went up from 22.9 to 23.7, while 78 out of the 81 developing countries studied, including Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Kenya, Nigeria, Myanmar, Uganda, Zimbabwe and Malawi, succeeded in improving hunger condition.
    The day west will realize you are not useful anymore and find another completive country they ditch like an old girl friend and then world will know what real India is? And the atrocities that India is doing on innocent people behind movements in Khalistan, Assam, Kashmir, Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Manipur and, Nagaland.
    I know response from Indian friend ‘Wish full thinking’, but fellows it will be your error if you deem this ‘Wish full thinking’.

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  • Indian Catholic
    Feb 8, 2013 - 10:05PM

    It is irritating to post in this forum when one’s comments don’t show up despite meeting the guidelines.
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    If India did mention what it did (Don’t see it on Indian newspaper sites yet), I for one am glad that India has learned to assert itself. OIC has no locus standi on Kashmir considering that it has decided to not lend a voice to the 2nd or 3rd largest Muslim country in the world.

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  • Indian Catholic
    Feb 8, 2013 - 10:19PM

    @MJ: Please do not manufacture history like your text books.
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    There was only one UN resolution, that too on Kashmir, and it was a non-binding one brought about by none other than Nehru that Pakistan abjured on. Of course India took over the territories you mention. Did you ever think that India would even remotely allow something like the deluded idea for DINIA propounded by Ch. Rahmat Ali?

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  • gp65
    Feb 8, 2013 - 10:34PM

    @MJ: You usually make very valid friends but the facts you have quoted are not accurate. So let me return the favour by giving a history lesson back to you my friend.
    UN was not in any way involved in Junagadh or Hyderabad. The Nawab of Junagadh simply fled to PAkistan in face of people’s uprising. His diwan then signed instrument of accession with the Nawab’s permission. Do read about Razakars in India to learn what happened in Hyderabad. Your accusation of India conducting elections selectively therefore does not hold.

    In Kashmir when PAkistan sent tribals Hari Singh signed instrument of accession with India. India pushed Pakistan back upto current LOC and it was Nehru that went to UN at that time. The first step of the UN resolution is that Paistan needs to vacate the area it has occupied. IT never did this. The second requirement was that the demography should remain unchanged. Again Pakistan changed demography by allowing people from all over Pakistan to settle in Pakistani Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan. In India no non-Kashmiri can bu land even today. Thirdly, Pakistan also changed demography in Indian Kashmir through the use of jihadis by driving out Pandits. Fouthly, Pakistan gave away a part of Pakistani Kashmir to China making it impossible to conduct plebiscite over whole Kashmir. Finally in 1972 the UN resolution became moot when India and Pakistan signed the SImla agreement which says that any discussion on Kashmir must be bilateral with no 3rd parties involved.

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  • polpot
    Feb 8, 2013 - 10:55PM

    @Mika: ” Noose in tightening India. You can’t occupy people against their free will.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Case in point: Balucxhistan.

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  • DilliNiwasi
    Feb 8, 2013 - 11:16PM

    @naeem khan Manhattan,Ks:
    Since you guys don’t believe in democracy and never did, it is out of question to use those principals with you.

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  • DilliNiwasi
    Feb 8, 2013 - 11:24PM

    @Adnan:
    The issue we are discussing here is OIC and Kashmir. Granted what you say is all true except that West is after India only due to its market. That is a reason but not the only reason. That is what you are missing. India wasn’t a market in earlier years, why did so many countries still want to do business with it? There are other fundamentals present in India that Pakistanis wishes to ignore because they don’t like those fundamentals.

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  • pi
    Feb 8, 2013 - 11:28PM

    Begging OIC to help us in resolving Kashmir issue is futile and impotent. And I agree with our Indian friends that OIC is a joke. Our leaders for last 65 years, never excelled in statecraft, tactically or strategically. They have never recognised their greatest strength in the sub-continent i.e. the 180 million Muslims in India. They are our brothers, but have we ever asked for their help? No. Why don’t we ask them to demand for freedom of Kashmir? If far less than a million people on the street during ‘direct action day’ could get us Pakistan, 180 million can get us even whole of India. But we are only concerned about Kashmir and it is getable. In some circumstances riots can achieve more, what a conventional war cannot. Just food for thought.

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  • Manju
    Feb 8, 2013 - 11:40PM

    @Adnan:
    I know response from Indian friend ‘Wish full thinking’, but fellows it will be your error if you deem this ‘Wish full thinking’.
    Brother its called ‘DREAMING’ and ‘STRIVING’ to succeed unlike ‘BEGGING’ and taking ‘BLOOD MONEY’ which some of our neighbors do… You know who;-p

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  • Feb 8, 2013 - 11:44PM

    @Mika:who are OIC?Recommend

  • Feb 8, 2013 - 11:52PM

    @Pathan:
    when you regain conciousness, try to remember one thing – India does not bother about OICs or anybody. I have lived in the middle east for 13 yrs and I know what they do in such meetings there. Just some dialogue Baazi, eat and drink and say maasalam! And by the way there are many many hundreds and thousands of Kashmiri pandits who desperately wish to move back to Kashmir and I hope the world community does something about it. And do you know the origin of the word Kashmir? From what religion and language it has it’s origin? By the way what has a pathan got to do with Kashmir? And when I see the processions in Pakistan and elsewhere raising slogans for Kashmir, the people don’t look like Kashmiris at all. You know what I mean! I can keep on typing but I am busy! So bye!

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  • Behari Kebab
    Feb 8, 2013 - 11:55PM

    Kashmir is NOT an internal issue of India, it is a territory under foreign occupation of an OIC member, thus OIC has locus standi. The only party that does not have locus standi is India, and needs to end its brutal occupation of Kashmir, where it has murdered more than 60,000 Kashmiris. A tip to Indians: learn what the term means, before using it.

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  • Feb 8, 2013 - 11:58PM

    @pi:
    just ask the 180 million muslims of India what they think about you and you will get your answer! You are not Saudi Arabia with it’s riches. They must be thanking their stars that they made a good decision of staying back in India-by the way I am a marathi but was born in Hyderabad, India and I have Shia [some Iranis] and Sunni friends who come to us during Diwali. I shall record their comments about Pakistan and post them to you if you give me your address.Recommend

  • Vinod
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:01AM

    Pakistan and Kashmir what a joke…..ha ha

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  • Rajeev Nidumolu
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:04AM

    OIC= Oh I See

    “The Secretary General OIC as well as foreign ministers of Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia also extended their support to the people of Jammu and Kashmir in their statements.”

    The foreign minister of Azerbaijan needs to look at is own human rights abuse
    Human Rights Watch quotes

    “Azerbaijan is determined to boost its international image by taking leadership positions in regional and international forums, and by hosting mega-events,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The global stage, if anything, will put the government’s poor human rights record under a glaring spotlight so the authorities should improve the country’s record now.”

    “”Azerbaijan fostered a hostile environment for journalists and others critical of the authorities. The government severely restricted freedom of assembly, did not authorize a single opposition rally in the capital, Baku, and, swiftly and often violently, dispersed unauthorized gatherings. A sweeping urban renewal campaign in central Baku resulted in forced evictions, illegal expropriations, and house demolitions. The government brought politically motivated charges against critics and harassed human rights defenders.”"

    http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/01/22/azerbaijan-rights-abuse-stains-international-standing

    Kleptocracy in Azebaijani dictatorship is documented extensively by CNBC http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000074479

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  • mdz
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:15AM

    /*If far less than a million people on the street during ‘direct action day’ could get us Pakistan, 180 million can get us even whole of India. */

    @pi: Non muslims of India would love that idea and this time unfinished business of partition would be completed and thank god this time MK Gandhi is not around.

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  • Rajeev Nidumolu
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:20AM

    OIC=Oh! I See

    “The Secretary General OIC as well as foreign ministers of Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia also extended their support to the people of Jammu and Kashmir in their statements.”

    Foreign minister of Malaysia needs to address its own policy of discrimination and human rights abuse .
    Indian and Chinese ethnic groups are discriminated by state sponsored Bhumiputra policy ( preferential to Malay Muslims based on son of soil ideology)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanrightsin_Malaysia

    Religious and political rights of Indian Hindu citzens have been repeatedly violated Full documentation is available at
    http://www.humanrightspartymalaysia.com/

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  • gp65
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:21AM

    @pi: “Why don’t we ask them to demand for freedom of Kashmir?”

    Please see the response of Maulana Mahmood Madni to Pakistani journalist Kamran Shahid in Frontline on the question of KAshmir. Maulana Madni was the head of Deoband at that time and also head of JUI-Hind. He is also member of Rajya Sabha (equivalent to your Senate).

    In case you are too busy to see the response he basically chided Pakistan for asking for Kashmir mainly on religious basis stating that if Pakistan made the case that 4 million residents of Kashmir valley cannot live in India because they are Muslim, was it prepared to accept the remaining 180 million Muslims of rest of India? He further added that Muslims would be accused of hypocrisy if they asked for secularism when they were in minority but had a volte face when they were majority and he would not be a party to such hypocrisy.

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  • Pakistan Khappe
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:30AM

    @pi:
    Its funny.. Indian muslims are always with India.. they have not stood up against so called Hindu India ( which exists only in Bigoted mind) in 1965, 1971 and recently 1999 kargil.. In fact I know a muslim army officer who got military award in kargil war and you hope Indian muslims will stand with you.. let me tell you.. World has witnessed the failure of the state of pakistan a state created on the basis of religion.. hence there is no further partition based on religion as pakistan is most glaring example of not to do it..

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  • indira jaswal
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:44AM

    @FactCheck:

    Well said. You are absolutely right to point out that Muslim-ruled countries are the worst offenders of civil and human rights. Indeed, Pakistan is perhaps at the lowest end of the scale of offenders, showing gross indifference to human rights violations, official persecution and even killings of Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Parsis, etc. who are virtually non existent as nationals of Pakistan. We can’t help thinking that the gallery of Pakistani politicians — be it Musharraf and Queresh through Rehman Malik, Hina Khar and even Imran Khan, not to mention terrorist masterminds Hafeez Saeed and “Don” Ibrahim Dawood — are seeking to profile themselves at the expense of India whose secular culture is an affront and a daily challenge to Pakistan’s existence which is based on lies and hate-mongering that Pakistan’s leaders have tried to perpetuate.

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  • Rajeev Nidumolu
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:52AM

    Oh! I See —needs to concentrate on its members Algeria, Egypt, Sudan,indonesia,Pakistan, libya ,Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran Yemen and Chad who are ranked among the top twenty worst offenders of human rights in the world by Amnesty reports
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/rightsindex/0,,201749,00.html

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  • rehmat
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:52AM

    @pi: “They have never recognised their greatest strength in the sub-continent i.e. the 180 million Muslims in India. They are our brothers, but have we ever asked for their help? No. Why don’t we ask them to demand for freedom of Kashmir?”

    Not sure you realize that Indian Muslims are Indians? Why would they be traitorous to their own country? I am attaching a url from 2008 BEFORE 26/11 which talks about fatwa given to Indian Muslims against terrorism and where 10,000 Muslims attended a ceremony to take oath against terrorism. The fact that this happened before 26/11 tells you clearly that it was not the post 26/11 anger that led to this realization. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?139759-Indian-Muslims-Speak-Out-Against-Terrorism

    “If far less than a million people on the street during ‘direct action day’ could get us Pakistan, 180 million can get us even whole of India. But we are only concerned about Kashmir and it is getable. In some circumstances riots can achieve more, what a conventional war cannot.”

    First of all, when riots take place Muslims also die – since Hindus are in a majority, more Musims die. There is no Gandhi here to go on fast when Hindus retaliate. We saw what happened when Muslims burnt a coach in Godhra. Please keep these bright ideas to yourself. Also despite everything India still has some bigots Hindu bigots and Muslim bigots but the law has started acting on hate speech in recent years. Varun Gandhi is under scanner. Bal Thackeray’s right to contest elections was disbarred for 6 years due to his hate speeches and most recently Akbaruddin Owaisi tried to invoke passions by saying that 25 crore Muslims could kill 100 crore Hindus. He is sitting in jail now. No one can go around the country for 10 years now openly stoking passion and turning neighbour against neighbour in India of 2013.

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  • Feb 9, 2013 - 1:10AM

    @Pathan: by the way does the name Akbar Bugti sound familiar to you? Hope it does!

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  • rehmat
    Feb 9, 2013 - 1:27AM

    @pi: Not sure why my previous post was not published. Anyway, you need to understand that Indian Muslims are Indians. Why would they be traitorous to India? We have many Indian heroes (of all faiths) but amongst them the Indian Muslim heroes of modern day are people like Ustad Bismillah Khan (who got Bharat Ratna the highest civilian award in India), former PResident Dr. Abdul Kalaam, Azim PRemji – not just because he is so rich but he has donated 2 billion to improve education in government schools, Pataudi who was the youngest cricket captain in India ever at age of 21, A R Rehman who brought the Oscar to India, Amir Khan who brought focus to many important issues through his program Satyamev Jayate, Yusuf Hamied whose Cipla has saved millions of lives throughout the world.

    Here is a film made by Indian governments’ external affairs ministry (similar to your foreign ministry) on the contribution of Indian Muslims. http://indianmuslims.in/a-film-on-the-contribution-of-indian-muslims/

    YEs we are determined to fight Hindu bigots like Togadia and Raj Thackeray but can only do so with any credibility if we also speak out against Muslim bigots like Owaisi and that is exactly what we plan on doing.

    In case you had any concern for Indian Muslims you would not give ideas like winning KAshmir through riots by Indian Muslims. Muslims too would die in such riots. Since Hindus are in majority, more Muslims than Hindus would die. That is exactly what happened in 2002 when some Muslims set fire to a bogey of Hindu pilgrims. SO keep these bright ideas to yourself. Another call for Direct Action Day is not possible in India of 2013. Thank goodness for that. Enough blood has flown due to the first call. LEave us in peace.

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  • pi
    Feb 9, 2013 - 1:29AM

    @gp65

    You quote Maulana Madni. You are right and so is Madni. Madni knew very well, what he needed to say and when to say it. I actually commend his public stance. That’s what I call prudence. When in captivity, pretend submission, but keep working for what is right. Our leader Quaid-e-Azam professed secular ideas till very end, but managed to free Pakistan from Indians when it mattered. Politics is the art of making impossible look like possible.
    It’s not science, its arts of sublime finesse.

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  • pi
    Feb 9, 2013 - 1:32AM

    @Pakistan Khappe

    Sorry brother, you must be watching too much bolywood movies.

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  • Ali Khan
    Feb 9, 2013 - 3:39AM

    To our all time sweet indian trolls you all are living in the world of ediots to think of us as weak nation for reail this thinking of your will one day distroy you by us pakistan zindzbad.

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  • plal
    Feb 9, 2013 - 4:48AM

    @Blithe: Baluchistan is not part of Pakistan by any legal instrument but was occupied by military means according to Hamid Mir’s lecture in the conference called on Bluchistan by Pak .Supreme Court Lawyer association , which is available on You Tube, There is another You Tube in which Hamid Mir explains Baluchistan Issue to Shahjad Roy that will clear your confusion about Baluchistan.

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  • Prabhjyot Singh Madan
    Feb 9, 2013 - 5:17AM

    I believe Oic is a joke. They say one thing inside the organization but contradict it with each country in its own personal capacity. Thank you

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  • gp65
    Feb 9, 2013 - 5:36AM

    @pi: “I actually commend his public stance. That’s what I call prudence. When in captivity, pretend submission, but keep working for what is right. “

    So you think Maulana Madni is practicing Taqiyya? Interesting. Did not know he was Shia.

    “Our leader Quaid-e-Azam professed secular ideas till very end, but managed to free Pakistan from Indians when it mattered.”
    Wrong. Qaid-e-Azam did NOT practice secularism till the last moment. In fact between 1937 and 1948 there is just one speech of his that can be considered secular – for the most part he was stoking passions and turning neighbour against neighbour. Whatever else one may blame him for he did not keep his motives hidden for sure. Anyway if we go back to your original idea, how do you suppose someone can get a million Muslims to create riots while still pretending to be loyal to India – have you thought about it? Do also read the note that @rehmat has written to you.

    By the way, like you, I too am grateful to Qaid for creation of Pakistan. I would imagine most Indians of my generation or younger are.

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  • Farid S. Rahman
    Feb 9, 2013 - 7:28AM

    Most member countries of OIC had sided with Pakistan’s military in 1971 when it was busy murdering 3 million civilians in East Pakistan. The OIC risks becoming an irrelevancy if it cannot stop itself from becoming the cat’s paw for Pakistan. OIC would be far wiser to pass resolutions on continuing human rights abuses in Pakistan where Shias, Ahmadiyyas, Christians have been left cowering from the onslaughts of fundamentalists.

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  • jagjit sidhoo.
    Feb 9, 2013 - 8:25AM

    @Falcon: Remember there was a Shimla Agreement signed between two sovereign nations .

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  • jagjit sidhoo.
    Feb 9, 2013 - 8:54AM

    @naeem khan Manhattan,Ks: Please read Part II para A(1)(2)&(3) of http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc13aug48.htm .Please also read (ii) of http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/documents/simla.html and you will realize who is the defaulter .

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  • Pakistan Khappey
    Feb 9, 2013 - 9:04AM

    @pi: What is Bollywood movie in it .. You live in fool’s paradise.. give me plain answer.. why Indian muslims not stood up with you pakistnais in 1965, 1971 & 1999 .. can you please answer.. Failure …I am telling you pakistan is the last country created on the basis of religion which could not hold in one piece even for 25 years.. so you became horrible example of not to repeat it ..

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  • Dr V. C. Bhutani
    Feb 9, 2013 - 10:09AM

    @naeem khan Manhattan,Ks:
    There were no terrorists in Quebec and no “freedom fighters” sent from outside. You need to make a better study of both history and international relations. You don’t acquire ‘knowledge’ by just being in Manhattan.
    Nehru never went to the UN to make those promises. He only spoke in speeches delivered in India.
    UNSC asked Pakistan to withdraw all its forces from Kashmir and allowed India to maintain its troops in Kashmir to keep law and order.
    With the passage of time Pakistan exported disturbance to Kashmir on a massive scale and compelled India to send more troops to maintain law and order.
    The catch still lies in finding out what the people of J&K want. Do they want to join Pakistan, or do they want to join India, or do they want sovereign independence outside both?
    The Indian Independence Act passed by the British parliament in July 1947 did not provide for sovereign independence for any princely state or for plebiscite to find out what the people of any state wanted.
    Post-1948 events and developments made nonsense of the UNSC resolutions of 1948. No one pretends now that those resolutions can be implemented. They are obsolete.
    V. C. Bhutani, Delhi, India, 9 Feb 2013, 1040 IST

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  • Pawroti
    Feb 9, 2013 - 11:33AM

    @Muhammad Rizwan Ali:
    The millions of Muslims in India are very hurt for not being to the “Oh I see” summit and have decided to trash their recommendations..

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  • usman
    Feb 9, 2013 - 12:11PM

    few days back a some hindu religious book was banned in Russia, the india despite secular country took stand similarly where ever Hindu suffers India took stand even in recent days for sindi Hindu Families. And nothing wrong with it. Similarly. if christian minorties suffer west addresss it. THen why not OIC for Khasmiris

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  • whtever
    Feb 9, 2013 - 11:08PM

    @Mika:
    what about baloochistan, cyprus, kurdistan papuguniea , sudan(still left over) … first make them to feel the freedom before you dare to look at others babe

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  • Raj - USA
    Feb 9, 2013 - 11:55PM

    @Dr Priyanka:

    Your comments made me think.

    Almost all Indians, be they hindus or sikhs or christians, they all have Muslim friends in India. This is not the case in Pakistan where muslims have no interaction with non-muslims and muslims hate non-muslims. So, the knowledge of muslims in Pakistan on others is very limited. Pakistanis who are living abroad in Western countries (not Gulf countries) have some friends from other religions and they are somewhat more knowledgeable.

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  • Observer
    Feb 10, 2013 - 2:31AM

    @MJ:

    ET moderators, please read my reply to MJ where I have given factual and logical arguments to point out his erroneous statements. MJ is a logical and balanced poster here on ET, I am sure he would appreciate hearing an opposing argument. If rigorous arguments and ripostes are the backbone of any good debate forum, within the ET guidelines of course, I can’t understand why you would not allow my post. I request you to re-read my reply to MJ and publish it here. Thanks.

    @MJ:

    You are not entirely correct. In Kashmir, Indian forces entered only after the Maharaja signed an accession decree. Also, important to note is that the UN resolution required, as a precondition, Pakistan to withdraw all its forced from pre-1947 kashmir, which Pakistan is yet to do. Instead, Pakistan has changed the demography of the portion including Gilgit/Baltistan/NA by settling Pakistanis, mostly Sunnis. The referendum will also require removing these non-kashmiri settlers. Not to forget, the breakup of Pakistan in 1971; Bangladesh can technically claim Kashmir as its own territory as it was the larger part of erstwhile Partition time Pakistan.

    You say,

    “. Inida would have lost elections in Kashmir in the past and will lose them if they are held in the future

    MJ, you are one of the most balanced and well-informed poster here. But, on this comment, you forget several facts. First, the referendum gives only two choices: accede to Pakistan or India.

    Second, as you well know that with Pakistan getting more and more radicalized and infested with terrorism, not to mention a collapsing economy and political system, do you think any sane Kashmiri, who is not a radical Islamist, want to join Pakistan? Even the most radical proponents of accession to Pakistan such as Syed Ali Geelani now have dropped their demand to join Pakistan.

    Third, you totally ignore the demographics in Indian Kashmir. The Shia, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and other non-Sunnis, who form over 60% of the population are quite happy to say with India. Even among the 40% sunnis, only about small (10% of total population), but very radical and vocal, demand separation from India. That amounts to about half a million. Now, there are 180 million muslims in India. Why should this half a million Kashmiris who demand separation be any special?

    Your argument would have been very valid if, like Pakistan, India had only 2% of Muslims after the partition. So, any argument calling for division based on religion cannot be a good one. Besides, all problems would be solved if those half a million who demand separation simply moved to Pakistani controlled Kashmir. After all, Kashmir has been, de facto, already partitioned.

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  • Gujesh
    Feb 10, 2013 - 6:59AM

    Indian muslims (i.e. including Kashmiri muslims) were insulted by OIC when their representative Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed was expelled from a summit held in Rabat, at the behest of ZA Bhutto. Indian muslims have not forgotten it.

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  • Feb 10, 2013 - 2:03PM

    @Raj – USA:
    as far as terrorists are concerned i must say that ‘one persons freedom fighter is the other ones terrorist’. If india is so justified in its occupation of kashmir, why doesnt it allow a refrendum in kashmir? so that people of kashmir should decide about their fate. and i am sure if they are given this opertunity they will opt for pakistan, given the mal-treatment of muslims in india. Sharkh khan is an example.

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