Don’t act surprised

Published: August 24, 2010

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Oh, the shock! Oh, the disgust! Oh, the outrage over the barbaric killings in Sialkot! The media, the blogosphere, facebookers have been going into hyperactive overdrive to out condemn one another over the senseless killings of the two teenage boys. Some have frothed with self-righteous anger, some have put the blame on poverty and illiteracy (a self-serving defence that ignores the violent solutions advocated in many a swanky drawing room discussion), some on the breakdown of the social contract between the state and the individual. But all seem shocked by the barbarity on display. But why are we surprised? Why the denial? Hasn’t it always been thus?

We are, and have always been, a barbaric, degenerate nation revelling in bloodlust. Our nation was forged during a bloody partition — in which up to one million people were massacred. One just has to read eyewitness accounts of the riots, the train butchery, the brutal rapes and slaughter of that period to get a feel of the heady, almost orgasmic, delight that the perpetrators of these crimes revelled in as the nation was born.

The lynching itself is nothing new. Read any report by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and you will see that this is a fairly regular occurrence. Christians, Hindus, homosexuals, suspected paedophiles and robbers have been killed at the hands of mob justice. And what about Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and his daughter Benazir? Were they not just killed by a more sophisticated form of mob justice?

Our culture celebrates barbarity and vengeance. Is the Sialkot killing that shocking when you consider the macho culture of the Punjab? Maula Jatt, Punjab cinema’s most famous film, is a three-hour advertorial for vigilante justice. The film celebrates revenge, honour killing and violence. It is entertainment for severely warped minds. One scene has our hero, Maula Jatt, axing off a leg and an arm and then catching the severed limb as it flew through the air in his bare hands! Another has Maula’s axe ripping open a man’s guts to have the intestines fly out spectacularly. This is what passes for entertainment in our land. So don’t act surprised when the red mist from a teenage boy’s head appears on your TV screens.

Barbarity and sadism are ever present in our society. We are a nation where politicians like Senator Sardar Israrullah Zehri can openly condone the burying of women alive by declaring it part of his culture. Our religious discourse often celebrates the brutality and violence of medieval Arabia. We are a nation that laps up the bile of ‘Dr’ Aamir Liaquat as he describes Ahmadis as wajab-ul-qatal (punishable by death).

And we are a nation which collectively stands watching — like the mob in Sialkot — as those very same Ahmadis are massacred by gunmen.

A friend of a friend recently announced that he would be off to Sialkot with a bunch of tough friends to avenge the murder of the boys, unaware of the irony of what he was suggesting. He was planning to commit murder and administer vigilante justice to the very same people who had committed murder and administered their form of vigilante justice. And so the cycle goes on.

So don’t act surprised. The Sialkot murders are as Pakistani as truck art, biryani and loadshedding. This has always been an ugly reality of Pakistan and always will be. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a misnomer. Pakistan has never been a pure, peaceful Islamic state. And it never will be. Rather than drawing inspiration from the Holy Quran, our nation models itself on another book — a book in which children become savages. Pakistan is not the land of the pure — we are Lord of the Flies.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 25th, 2010.

Reader Comments (354)

  • Ali
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:54AM

    Yes, I agree up to a certain point. We are in denial all times this is our biggest mistake we all are in lala land We chose the leaders who had robbed us blind and then they come to power The son goes to see President of United State with his dad where the country stake is on line But when some on writes about over wrong doings we all say you are not patriot. Putting your had in the sand will not make problems disappear or blame it to the person who wrote it If your house is not clean how will you clean your streetsRecommend

    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:21AM

    George, what makes you analysis worse than your movie reviews is the fact that you write your movie reviews after you have watched the whole movie while your unsubstantiated analysis of the Sialkot incident is based on hearsay and imagination. I would suggest a proper homework before writing teh column. Recommend

  • Furqan Ahmed
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:27AM

    True but one thing that should be mentioned here is that you will find 90% of this brutality and extermist behaviours in our rural areas. Why is that so?? Because of the ignorance and Mulla dominance. You can also observe that most of the suicide bombers also belong to these rural areas. Villagers were thought to be innocent in the past but now the perception,atleast mine, is completely changed. You will find such a heartless community only in villages.Recommend

  • Siraj Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:45AM

    Greetings George
    This is your ex-neighbour in Galaxy. 10th floor

    I hope you Kiran and junior are well. I think in this article you have hit the nail on its head. This is straight talk. It would have been more effective if you had also given any pointers n how you think we could work our way out of the trenches. We are not a failed state but a state of failure, but surely all cannot be gloom and doom

    I know that our own Nero continues to fiddle while Rome burns and we are living in a gun culture and with trigger-happy people, but don’t you think we can get out from this mess by reinventing and reengineering ourselves, assuming we get better leadership.

    After all, its George ka Pakistan!Recommend

  • Waqas
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:02AM

    George well done for pointing out the obvious. Dont listen to those who are quick to point out your english heritage.. You are a Pakistani and more than welcome to state the obvious.

    Yes we have to change and to change we have to start by accepting the responsiblity from national to individual level. As they say if you are not part of the solution you are the problem.Recommend

  • khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:09AM

    Well i dont get the point. Even if we are a barbaric nation and even if our history talks about barbarism, does’nt mean that we have to be sitting ducks and witness such gruesome acts and not show any concerns or retaliate. We always disrespect and talk bad about our country without doing anything to make it a better and peaceful place to live for our childrens and grandchildren. Our youth being the most braggers and not caring about the future of pakistan, sitting in their drawing rooms and discusing the fate of pakistan isnt gona help us move farward, If we dont feel the pain of our country inside our hearts. So what the author is saying is that we have to accept that these things are happening for the past 60 years and we dont have to condemn these acts of brutality and to learn how to live with it? Well I reject your point of view sir cause being an ostrage wont help us out, The great west that we talk about and how evolved they are now as they were 50 years ago when they use to burn women alive for the suspicion of being a witch, well we are not the only barbaric nation after all. And Yes sir nations do evolve and violence suppressed when we learn from our mistakes rather than letting it go. Pakistan is our identity and our saviour we cant let it be in times of her greatest need.Recommend

  • sana
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:45AM


  • saima adnan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:16AM

    George having just moved ot pakistan a few years ago has absolutley no right to direct such harsh rude insults towards the entire nation.All nations ahve shortcomings, we have ours, nobody is denying that,but we dont need useless articles like this.There is absolutley no positive outcome coming from such articles,thus there is no need for them.Instead ppl shud try to getotgether and do whatever little they can and bring abt a change in themselves.When we talk abt pakistanis…we talk abt ourslef.SO self refliection is wht we all need,and not some well written piece of journalism.
    When such incidents take place in other countries,jounalists dont’t use them as an excuse to write off their minds.
    We need positive projection,and our media needs to help us get that!Recommend

  • Abdul
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:36AM

    Excellent article George. You are always an astute commentator.

    I am in the UK and my parents are from Pakistan. I regret to say Pakistan is generally a sick, barbarous nation. Everybody looked on as this horrific crime was committed against these innocent boys.

    I stay away from Pakistanis at every opportunity possible as a large segment – not all, but some people – are the most dysfunctional, uneducated and corrupt people I have ever come across.

    The British should never have left Pakistan; without colonialists to look over them and keep them in line, some Pakistanis are unable to behave as civilised human beings.Recommend

  • maria
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:42AM

    yes you r right.. not to be shocked…no surprise we have been thus..
    remarkable piece of writing.Recommend

  • Fawad zafar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:53AM

    with all due respect george,picking up one small aspect of the whole pakistani temperament ,you cant judge pakistan. if i say that 70 % of ladies in world’s largest air force USAF are sexually harrassed as per there own records, should i relate the same to the whole country and declare the americans the most barbaric country? no sir i cant. same is the case here.Yes we are amongst the most corrupt nation but we are also the most donation giving country in the whole world. The massacres done during the partition were not because of us it was the britishers who made this happen.I feel ashemed for what happenend in sialkot,but this is not it,We will do anything and everything to make this thing not happen againRecommend

  • Faiza Qureshi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:07AM

    Mr. Fulton, there was a time when I had fallen in love with your simplistic manner in the hope of learning something. However I may have jumped the gun! Yes we are barbaric – specially so when we want to protect whatever sanctity remains of our nation! There is a saying in urdu ‘pait bharay ki dakar!’ Look it up, you would need to now that you’ve had your desi meal!
    And food for thought to save face don’t bother saying I just said what I did to get the Pakistani people to react, thats a line we are used to from our true desi politicians! You stick to what you know best, firangipan! G’luck!Recommend

  • AZ
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:10AM

    Much of what you wrote is true. We have been indifferent, we have also been oblivious! Yes atrocities have happened in Pakistan for decades. The partition was bloody, but mostly because of the festered hatered built up and promoted by the British Raj. That is where the divide and rule mentality came from and unfortunately permeated into the very fabric of our society. Yes lynching has been around forever, yes, women have been buried arrive for centuries, and yes ahmadis have been persecuted- but never in our own living rooms. We have never seen the blood splash on our own TV screens. We have never heard the screams with our own ears. By WE I mean the ” drawing room” inhabitants that comprise most of your readership. The question is, what will we do now? Now that its all so real, will we return to life as usual once there is a new story? If we do, then everything that you said about us collectively as a nation is correct. I no longer live in Pakistan, and I feel that my patriotism has increased while I have been away. Living in the middle of misery, seeing it looking back at me through my glossy car windows and designer shades made one oblivious to it. Yet, everytime I return, my heart breaks as I see the sights I grew up with. Being away from Pakistan, I see floods and earthquakes, poverty and starvation, beheadings and lynchings- but I also see Imran Khan and the Lawyers movement. I see people I grew up with step up and take a stand. I see trucks full of food being driven to affected areas by my friends. Most of all I see outrage and realization and a will to change. This brings me hope. Maybe we as an people will finally decide to take matters into our own hands. Maybe the educated elite will finally get off their hand carved sofas and stand for office. Maybe we will finally understand that this is our home and we must fix it. And maybe, those of us who want to retaliate and lynch the offenders will learn that the way to repair a broken system is not to kick it- but to investigate, find the corruption and replace it with a good piece.
    As for the people who think you shouldn’t voice your views because you are a foreigner- well, I guess so am I! As are all the expatriots who left for money, amenities and peace of mind.Recommend

  • Kanza Nadeem
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:16AM

    George has written very well. And I cannot understand why people do not accept the reality? It has been more than 60 years since our independence. If things had to change, they would have decades ago. However, like you said, barbarity, incivility- and I’d add illiteracy- are those parasites that feed on our nation naturally.
    We must come to accept the realities around us; only then might we strive for betterment.
    I’d also add that we all must display tolerance, not hide away from harsh analyses.It is we who have formed this society and its norms. It shows our own narrow-mindedness to try to condemn someone from a foreign background, who is but showing a genuine concern for the Pakistani nation.Recommend

  • Syed Yasin Shah
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:20AM

    It’s the truth, and it hurts!Recommend

  • Abdul Moiz Jaferii
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:27AM

    well written. but isn’t this you frothing with the ‘self righteous anger’ that you speak of people feeling? is this entire article not voicing the ‘shock disgust and outrage’ in a more sedate and acidic manner?

    and for someone who claims to understand the historical intolerance in our society, I fear that you do not understand the intolerance that has already been witnessed in some of the comments made about your article.

    George, you need to realise what many white Americans have realised. no matter how much you champion the cause of the black man, you cannot use the ‘N’ word unless you are black. similarly, no matter how much you advocate the nation that is Pakistan, you cannot mock it unless you were born here.

    I am not saying that it is right for things to be this way, it is just that they are this way. we are as intolerant as you paint us to be. and that means that we will start pointing you out to be an immigrant the moment we feel insecure. Recommend

  • maryam tarek
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:29AM

    i agree with part of this article..but not entirely. violence has always been a part of HUMAN NATURE! way back in old days, men would bury their women or new-born daughters alive in arab countries. as for violence for entertainment, people take to it everywhere! for example, the movie ‘saw’. in 5 PARTS! i mean seriously, who watches that kind of disturbing stuff! =| n i agree.. pakistan is so NOT an islamic state. i think KSa is the only country in this world to be called a muslim country. but i believe pakistan is pure n peaceful. there are still pure and peaceful people and i still believe there is hope for pakistan. we all just have to change our point of views, concentrate on the positive rather than the negative. i think we will survive!Recommend

  • Doa
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:40AM

    Stop it guys. George’s right. =(Recommend

  • Misha
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:08AM

    what solution is there? How do you change the mindset of a large majority of this nation? People are calling for the perpetrators of this vicious crime to be dealt with in much the same way, publicly hanging them; how do you change that?
    Isn’t the first step towards that exposing this nation for what it truely is? George has done no more Pakistan-bashing than Fasi Zaka has by referring to us as a nation of cockroaches, much less in fact. And i find it hard pressed to disagree with either of them.
    To everyone calling George’s being Pakistani into question, he is much more Pakistani than those of us choosing to live abroad (Hamood). At least he lives amongst his fellow countrymen no matter what they are like, and he can give much more to Pakistan by being here than you are by being abroad. George has written this article including himself in the ‘We’ he refers to. How long he has been here is irrelevant, it’s his wish to be Pakistani that counts.
    Munazza, the difference between us and other nations that have violent pasts is they at least have evolved and changed.
    And yes, we are much worse than hammer wielding Russians or Britishers with hockey sticks because we stood around, watched and did nothing to stop this from happening.
    Pakistan has been on eternal vacation and we have held our tongues enough. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Denial comes easy, it’s facing the issues that we have trouble with.Recommend

  • Hammad Bukhari
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:22AM

    Does no one see the sarcasm in George’s writing? Most of it is anger, frustration and disgust out of sympathy for the brutal killings rolled up in sarcasm (for lack of a better word?). Just the point he is making guys and gals, get a grip on yourselves – what’s with the temper problem? So many of you are giving him a lecture on how he just came to Pakistan and he isn’t one of us? What is the matter with all of you who wrote that? He is not insulting your nation, better yet, you know what? he is insulting your nation; at least admit we deserve to be insulted and well ashamed of ourselves for a thousand and one reasons. You say why? Ask yourself why not? Why does it bother you if a ‘farangi’ insults you? The fact that he is a ‘gora’ angers most of you who write against him. Hamid Mir writing the same would be just fine? Where is our tolerance level?? Even if the poor brothers were criminals, hardcore criminals, your religion DOES NOT preach such punishment. Yes, I know all of you agree on this. So why the anger then with George? Why can’t an ‘outsider’ (he isn’t) show his disgust? Why can’t we just SHUT UP and LISTEN to criticism? Rather than understanding his comments, which are all rightly mentioned, some of us are counter-attacking George for speaking out against our sick, sick mindset also known as culture. EVERYONE has their right to speak/criticize freely. Even if he was not a Pakistani national. In this case he is, more than all of us, if you want. Let’s listen and do a self-check rather than react adversely to what is being rightly said. May Allah Bless Pakistan With Better Common Sense More Than Anything Else Right Now. (yea go on, criticize me for defending a ‘gora’) – keep writing George. Most of us share your views.Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 6:33AM

    It is all a mischief of the mobile camera, the TV, the Internet, etc., etc., which caused so much hullabaloo, otherwise this lynching business was always there, in our religion, in our culture, in our very genes, which neither the ‘daang’ of Moula Jatt, could flare up or that of Gandhi’s, ‘adam-tashadad’ (non-violence), could suppress, both of them having become victims of this very barbarism. But, don’t forget, this very land of Sialkot gave birth to our legends like Iqbal and Faiz.Recommend

  • marYam
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:19AM

    its saddens me…..its so true…all we can do is look down n feel ashamed…Recommend

  • Mansoor
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:43AM

    He wrote that whole article just so he could write the last line… Recommend

  • cache
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:14AM

    George, I am not surprised at all. Its only a while since the karachi lynchings and I remember thinking back then that this will turn very ugly soon. Unfortunately people who I talked to didn’t seem to share my sentiment as they seemed to believe in some sort of bloody revolution that was apparently just around the corner.

    As for the egotistic commentators who suddenly seemed to have discovered national pride, they need to realize that pretty much no one outside shares their view of a Pakistan everyone can live by. Sure, there’s criticism for the sake of criticism, but I do think that some unforgiving words need to be said, especially ones which would get a certain fringe of the society off their intellectually lazy behinds so that they’ll do some serious soul searching. Recommend

  • Khadija
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:39AM

    Very Well Written article,unfortunately it is the truth. Regardless our Nation is great and have many good qualities but this is a Dark Reality which exists within our Culture. When i was in Pakistan i have witness murder like this back in 90′s. Unless we change as nation to finish this barbarism that is only they way out. Otherwise we might just become corrupted with time but again it is my opinion. Recommend

  • Hassan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:48AM

    A very accurate analysis George. I studied at a public sector university for 4 years and witnessed this culture of machoism up close and personal. I for one was not surprised. The video reminded me of similar incidents which I had witnessed during my university years. The only difference was that the guys in those incidents just did not kill their victims. Other than that the situation was pretty much similar. The police, if present, were always the silent spectators. No one dared to try and save the victims. And most of the so called heroes were only heroic when they knew they had ten twenty friends to support them. Also most of these incidents resulted out of vengeance and most of the times were just excuses for the perpetrators to justify themselves in front of their false egos. There needs to be a serious review of what type of heroes we as nation present to our youth. Unfortunately up till now it has been vigilantes like Maula Jutt or Atif Gujar. Recommend

  • Kakakhel
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:14AM

    George has not been in Pakistan long enough to give such strong opinions. Incase George considers himself Pakistani, he is welcome in our country. However, I do not appreciate the Pakistan-BEATING in this article. George has come up with his school of thought on Pakistani’s contrary to giving a neutral opinion as a responsible journalist/Pakistani??

    Other than the paragraph about our inclination towards mob justice(which is a valid point) the article would have been very relevant if it had focused on that only, the rest of the reasons are either vaque or just a mere list of emotions being poured out.

    I Would like george to give us his version of the attrocities done by the British during their rule and the peak of it during partition, or to make it unbiased he can tell us of the French or Russian Revolutions?Recommend

  • Atta ur Rahman
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:32AM

    well but all not true , i bet , all dis scene gone b chnaged soon .. inshaALLAH
    ll change ,, you will , we all will and we must …Recommend

  • Shafaq
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:00AM

    Brian, you seem to hate this country. Why are you here? There are many Pakistanis like me who love this land. And as ashamed and saddened as I am about the sialkot murders, I am also a Pakistani who you insult through this article.
    Your article is myopic and single sided and has attracted, like magnets, the cowardly responses of others who like to complain endlessly about the state of affairs but do not spend an ounce of their energy trying to improve it.
    I have hope for this country. My parents are from here and my children live here. I was born in this land and hope to be buried here. I find your point of view obtusely arrogant in saying it will never be a peaceful nation. As a Pakistani you should be exhibiting some hope for ‘your chosen country’, not add masala to an already dire situation and wait for vultures to attack it.
    I am disgusted by the tone of your article. I am also offended by the titles of your other articles eg ‘Pakistan’s human cockroaches’. Have you ever thought that people like you and the others who seem to wallow in hate for this country are the real cockroaches. Now where is that pesticide when you need it…Recommend

  • Aug 26, 2010 - 11:07AM

    George, you have simply penetrated to the core of the issue. A true study of the matter.

    @ Dia The problem with Maula Jatt is the effect it has on the youth of Punjab. I am also from Punjab and I have seen guys there with guns hanging on their shoulders like Punjabi Movies. I even know about the killings without much reason just to soothe their ego.Recommend

  • Nosheen Malik
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:09AM

    Well yes….the country reflects and is made of hatred. A hatred i can see purely reflected in this article. Whereas my heart bleeds for the recent tragedy , the people affected by them ….but i am equally shocked and appalled that we as a nation, sorry as the EDUCATED minority of a nation feel that its OK to be sarcastic and cynical about the whole thing. We throw around words like “barbaric” “blood lust” because they are so easy to just say. I am ashamed that it is not “Pakistan” that’s is the problem, it is still what it has always been….OUR identity…OUR land, the only place where us Pakistanis will ever be first class citizens…the country which has given us freedom. Yes, our country has been raped of being our Motherland by terrorist stigmas ,natural disasters, corruption but the last nail of the coffin is not the poverty stricken frustrated people it is US, the privileged people who can easily say “how shameful” “how sad” “how sick” yet don’t want to move a muscle to change it. It is the leaders and the elite and the rich who set the decorum in our country…. You think other countries don’t have poverty , frustration and illiteracy? You think there are no mental illnesses that stem violence? It is the leaders and the privileged of the nation that enforce law and set precedents but we just want to talk about it . STOP blaming the ones who don’t know better , and take a good hard look at those who never taught better. This is no longer our mother land….we eroded it …we are deflectors so don’t we dare blame the land for all we have not been able to do. Recommend

  • Atiq Rehman
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:34AM

    For those that question his credentials, George is as Pakistani as the rest of us. If being born and bred in a foreign land stops people from being Pakistani then most of our politicians fit the bill. They live in our country only when it suits them and have no love or loyalty to the nation that has provided them with so much!

    And Pakistan is not being insulted. It is being shown it’s true face. We have become a wicked, corrupt and cowardly nation and anyone that denies it is a stupid idiot. How else would we have elected a bunch of murdering cheating corrupt fools to rule us, who in turn elected the most hated man in the country to be our leader? How else could we watch silently as our taxes, our rights and our children’s future were stolen right in front of our eyes? How else can we not be on the roads, protesting when we have no electricity, no clean water, no gas and no food. How can we be proud when we are compared to the poorest countries of world?

    Stop telling me about our atomic bombs and tanks, because we’re still bullied by America and India. Stop telling me about the minor achievements and tell me how many children are without food, how many adults without education, how many boys without jobs and how many women raped without justice? Tell me how many corrupt politicians and how much money they’ve taken from us?

    Foolish, cowardly and barbaric. But I still love my countrymen because they are mine, and I still pray to Allah to save us all from ourselves. Recommend

  • Hira Anwar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:36AM

    I agree with everything that you have written George except your opinion that Pakistan will never be a pure and Islamic State. That is a very harsh statement and very depressing to imagine. Pls abstain from making such demoralizing predictions!Recommend

  • Namreen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:39AM

    What exaggerating claims George!Recommend

  • Naji
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:48AM

    I am surprised at what you have written, not for the reason that you wrote something negative about Pakistan but because I fail to understand that you never understood a Pakistani even after living here. A Pakistani is as Human as any other national of any other country. Barbarism is human nature and is present in every society and country in different forms. It’s not just associated to Pakistan or Pakistanis. Why do you feel that killing people publically in Sialkot is any different from that of dropping a nuclear bomb in Japan. Is that not barbarism. Why do you forget the British History which is full of such acts. The only difference is that of the CCTV installed in every noke and corner of the UK. You remove the CCTV and check how barabric the British are. I am sorry but I totally disagree with whatever you have written in context to Pakistan ONLY Recommend

  • Rakesh
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:53AM

    “And what about Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and his daughter Benazir? Were they not just killed by a more sophisticated form of mob justice?”

    I understand ZAB, BB’s is an unresolved mystery.

    But there are colors to Pakistan. I understand your disillusionment, but you are lumping together over 140 million people and calling them all barbaric. You already have enough credibility problems (as evident from the comments above), why make your pointer harder to convey? Why take a simplistic view of the situation and stretch it?

    I think the wonder that the current Pakistani ‘society’ is expressing is based on the reality we exist in. The reality where there is a media running-a-muck and providing instant updates on anything and maybe the values for the civil society have progressed. Either way, it is a good thing that people are at least flinching at it and expressing anger/disbelief. What actions they commit can be controlled and for THAT we need leaders. Recommend

  • Nosheen Malik
    Aug 26, 2010 - 11:59AM

    No one cares where the person who wrote this article is from , nor is there a disagreement of the facts that have been displayed. My criticism , OK true face shown …now lets get on with it…..try to fix the problems and i don’t mean go out to war its little things we can do. And just to say to be PATRIOTIC is not a sign of naivete but to to abandon , perch up on your high horse and be pessimistic…that i would certainly call cowardly. Recommend

  • tabby
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:00PM

    George,you are so right dude… We, as a nation are barbaric.. but….. may you tell me about the nation you belong to..? what are they doing all over the globe….? Being the part of great nation, why cant you tell us about the services USA is providing to this world…. Do I have to tell you what you are doing to innocent Kashmiris, Iraqis, people of Palestine and Afghanis…..? Why dont you condemn all those action BTW….. What Vietnamese did to you…books of history are full with those eye opener events………
    The sad incidents occurring in our place are nothing as compared to them…You should also write about these instead of feeling sad about it…. Recommend

  • A Naheed
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:01PM

    Who do you think you are?
    I don’t want to waste my time and intellect.
    Just read your history.
    Throw dirt up in the sky, and it will zero in on your face! Recommend

  • Sadaf
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:23PM

    I am so ashamed at all this happening. I can’t see to what has been happening in Our country This is result of violent Indian movies where whole crowd watching shameful act and police support them. This barbaric killing make me sleepless but as a nation we are not a barbaric degenerate nation.
    Agreed with **kashif malik** No one has a right to criticize our nation one who are **Genocide** (In 1944, a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin (1900-1959) sought to describe Nazi policies of systematic murder, including the destruction of the European Jews.) you people avoid talking about genocide and even though you are trying to hide the fact you forget the The horror of the **Rwandan** genocide 1994 mass murder of an estimated 800,000 people by Your nation you promote this term that’s why you hide these activities
    You are talking Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and his daughter Benazir Bhutto yes it’s a great incident of our nation but why you are not talking about Indra Ghandhi and his son Rajiv Ghandi’s murder why ???? why you come here to criticize us go and criticize these peoples
    You read news paper don’t forget few months before on 06 April **Dozens of police dead after Maoist ambush** go and search on CNN
    Simply everything happened every where we are soft hearted nation we criticize these shameful activity that’s why whole world come and criticize us Kindly checkout your own country news papers then talk about others. We will not give rights to other to criticize us
    May ALLAH bestow his all Wrath upon all those who were involved in such grieving incident, and innocent boys rest in peace, and Allah give their family strength at this time
    And guide our Nation to follow how to live peaceful islamic lifeRecommend

  • Sadaf
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:36PM

    I am so ashamed at all this happening. I can’t see to what has been happening in Our country This is result of violent Indian movies where whole crowd watching shameful act and police support them. This barbaric killing make me sleepless but as a nation we are not a barbaric degenerate nation.
    Agreed with Kashif No one has a right to criticize our nation one who are Genocide (In 1944, a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin (1900-1959) sought to describe Nazi policies of systematic murder, including the destruction of the European Jews.) you people avoid talking about genocide and even though you are trying to hide the fact you forget the The horror of the Rwandan genocide 1994 mass murder of an estimated 800,000 people by Your nation you promote this term that’s why you hide these activities
    You are talking Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and his daughter Benazir Bhutto yes it’s a great incident of our nation but why you are not talking about Indra Ghandhi and his son Rajiv Ghandi’s murder why ???? why you come here to criticize us go and criticize these peoples
    You read news paper don’t forget few months before on 06 April Dozens of police dead after Maoist ambush go and search on CNN
    Simply everything happened every where we are soft hearted nation we criticize these shameful activity that’s why whole world come and criticize us Kindly checkout your own country news papers then talk about others. We will not give rights to other to criticize us
    May ALLAH bestow his all Wrath upon all those who were involved in such grieving incident, and innocent boys rest in peace, and Allah give their family strength at this timeRecommend

  • Sharood Zafar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:38PM

    The article is well written, no doubt.
    However i would like to state here that violence is a global evil which has effectively spread its tentacles in all countries and nations. It is sad tough that it has effected Pakistan badly. We hear about honor killings, domestic violence and mob lynching in everyday newspapers.
    But this is an incident which should shock us or at least cause some sort of reaction. It is about time that we change what was done in the past. the outcry for justice is necessary here since we need to educate our society and citizens about a fair and just system. Although it is a long shot, but it is never to late to make things right. If we do not take a positive step today then the situation would get worse with each generation. Recommend

  • Maliha shah
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:50PM

    i agree a lot more than i would like to admit..but perhaps not being surprised would seal our identity as not being human enough.. it would be indifference and one must not be indifferent to such things no matter how usual they are,its the last trace of humanity left in us to condemn it verbally atleast.i beleive that every human being is responsible for injustice in any part of the world.and for the people who have commented agianst George..i wish they would stop being blind for once.that is exactly the kind of atitude that has brought us to this stage..they would rather like to rot in the hell they have created than listen to someone who talks truthfully.. so what if the west and bollywood have contributed to violence..someone else’s sins dont make your own sins forgivable!!! i m disgusted at the way people are still defending themselves out of west-phobia and bias, if we want to change we first have to accept that we need to change..Recommend

  • Sohail Hameed Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 12:58PM

    Dear George,
    I have watched you on TV occasionally and I generally like you, but I disagree with what you have written.
    First of all, savagery is no alien to the western cultures – you need to study the history of Europe and Americas. Talking about Maula Jutt, I recommend you watch two Hollywood movies – “Law abiding citizen” and an old movie “Walking tall” and you will find everything you have written about Maula Jutt in these two movies.
    Man is basically an animal – he just needs to be pushed that distance! I cannot defend what happened in Sialkot, it was barbaric, but the irony was the inaction of the police, that is, if they were not a party to the crime!Recommend

  • Arshad Taqi
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:40PM

    Interesting responses to a thought provoking article. Are we ever going to learn the art of a meaningful debate. Is this an isolated act of barbarism by a few ignorant, misguided illiterates or is it a manifestation of a much larger malady? Have we turned into barbarians in response to circumstances or were we always like this? Is this behaviour unique to Pakistanis or have other people acted similarly in the past?
    George is a Pakistani and no one can deny his right to speak his mind on an issue; surely he learned enough about our society before adopting it to speak with some authority. Recommend

  • Faizan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 1:52PM

    This is true to some extent , but that extent is very very minor. I dont agree with the closing speech, ‘Pakistan has never been a pure, peaceful Islamic state. And it never will be’. What right does anyone have to declare Pakistan a failed state and its people a failed people? It is an Islamic state and we are a peaceful people! This is a fact! We all cannot be judged by the acts of a just a few! The millions of people all around the country donating for their fellow pakistani’s for the flood is a clear reflection of what we actually are. Peaceful, kind, generous soft, sentimental and ultimately Pakistani!Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:40PM

    I agree with you, but I feel people are frustrated and there are no shrinks. You speak of muala jutt culture, but you failed to mention that there are more news channels in Pakistan then entertainment channels, they get frustrated with their own condition as well as the spiced up news from the the news channels, the entertainment time is occupied with more news, how can you imagine such nation to be normal. Recommend

  • Babar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:46PM

    “An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye . . . ends in making everybody blind”Recommend

  • Babar
    Aug 26, 2010 - 2:51PM

    To all the critics,

    All George has done is that he has shown us the mirror. We can’t blame him for our ugly face. Acceptance is a difficult choice but also is first step towards redemption.

    Cheerz George, keep up the great work. Looking forward to read more of your article.Recommend

  • sanjithmenon
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:30PM

    i am from India, these things happen here also. Its bad its wrong and all that. We had a jilted lover who threw acid on his lovers face. the girl died. the police caught the boy, and took him for a ride. Killed him, right there on the road. his body was brought in a tractor to the city, and my you should have seen the women folk on the road baying for blood. Human rights groups came in, and asked who gave the police permission, it was none other than the chief minister of the state. the boys parents never accepted the body, and the municipality buried him. So what should the police have done? left him to the justice system who would have taken 9 years to bring justice? A lesson had to be taught, to the boys that if they hurt defenseless women, they would be paid back fatally. We and i mean, pakistanis too are very accommodative people. very easy going , but pound us too hard, we react with vicious savagery. thats our nature. MQM wants a place in Punjab heartland thats it.Recommend

  • Junaid
    Aug 26, 2010 - 3:41PM

    Not a bit of exaggeration. Societies which lack literacy, social justice and tolerance eventually turn barbaric. Alot of us pakistanis need a reality check because we are still acting too naive and blaming it on others (politicians, taliban, america, agencies, bla bla) whereas this extremism is gone into our genes.Recommend

  • Farhana Pasha
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:10PM

    Well said George! Pakistanis sitting at home watching this barbaric video and shuddering at the apathetic response of the crowd watching these brutal murders, are no different. These same Pakistani people collectively watched the brutal killings of Ahmedis over so many years and then the massacre of 85 Ahmedis on May 28th and did not even bother to raise their voice against it. Are Ahmedis not human beings? Is this what islam teaches you? Even the 500 Ahmedi flood survivors were refused to be sheltered and denied aid. Amidst all the mess and the turmoil that this nation is enduring, how can one even think about discrimination? Recommend

  • Usama
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:20PM

    very intriguing article George! very very true indeed all!

    just 1 quick Q, u seem to be knowing so much bout PK, yet, ur name “George” does not really fit u among Pakistani’s? U born here?Recommend

  • tony
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:22PM

    Ever heard of football hooligans, the BNP, racist thugs who beat to death? Now that’s inherently British. On yer bike George! You’re lucky Pakistanis are hospitable – if you had written this about Britain or the US you would have been villified. Recommend

  • FT
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:23PM

    No Doubt! It was all barbaric, inhuman, devilish & absolutely against teh spirit of any civilised or cultural ethics, BUT you should not confuse it with movement of independence of Pakistan at all. If you insist then you also look at the history which was done by british with help of fanatic hindus & sikhs. During teh period of 1923 to 1928 from Bangal only 28,000 women were picked raped & killed, what usa & nato forces have done in Iraq & the holy places of muslims & if you remember the Gujrat riots & the samjohta train masacare & even the cristians were burnt in soutern india & so on… Why HRC dont moblise teh media on this & ask the civilised world to also take actions on such areas as they highlight every single & minute details of any such frustrating event. we also want to live in peace as we used to be, but such usa policies for last 35 years has demolished evey single prospect of this.Recommend

  • Sabeen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 4:55PM

    Peace George,

    I remember your programs and remember having great respect for you to share with us your journey when settling into Pakistan

    But this article makes me doubt my respect for you greatly.

    Those people who killed the boys or that mob or any politicians or that movie you quoted have never represented me as a person or the Pakistan that I know. For you to associate partition with this incident is an insult.

    Pakistan welcomed you with open arms and this is a poor way for you to appreciate it.

    If you think Pakistan is such a failure like your fellow Tribune writer Fasi Zaka then really your free to leave. There’s no pressure for any of you to stay. But spare Pakistan and its people from such insults.

    Pakistanis will solve their own problems and will overcome these hardships positively, regardless of what you or this paper thinks otherwise.Recommend

  • Azher
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:33PM

    Beautiful penned article…it represents the (ever) silent educated (Pakistani)class.Recommend

  • Abbas Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:48PM

    I can feel the sadness accompanied by some pity in your words.But the fact is that out of 180-190 million people,you will see a minute amount involved in vengeance & blood sucking ranging from higher to lower class.
    And as far as Justice for any innocent soul is concerned,Allah is the ultimate judge.Because no one finds the right kind of justice here in a state through social democracy,that was made virtually independent by the name of GOD. Recommend

  • Sabeen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 5:59PM

    Forgot to add Insh’Allah to my last post so I’ll do it now. Insh’Allah it will be as I said.Recommend

  • saira
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:04PM

    george has written and stated facts about our nation that we as pakistanis do not have the courage to say or admit. we are like ostriches that bury our heads in the sand and pretend like nothing is wrong with us. our politicians do not and never did care for our people. our police never cared for our people. our own society is full of cannibalism-we kill our own to survive. even the taliban who are clueless about what they are achieving, kill their own muslim brothers. and we dont have the courage to do anything about it. it is a game of politics and money. from the time pakistan came into being, we have no achievements to be proud of. if we didnt hold the button to the nuclear bomb, other countries wouldn’t even look in our direction. it is sad for our future generations. people who may hold hope for pakistan may be optimistic but not realistic. i have no comments about the inhumane killing of the two boys in sialkot, because there are no words to describe that sadism. we will never progress unless we become a secular and literate nation. hmmmmmmmmmm…Recommend

  • Amir Siddiqui
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:09PM

    Articles like these are simply the writers way of achieving moral highground. Pseudo-intellectualism. Elitist mentality – that they are the only ones able to “see” the evil the commoners cannot grab. PLUS he is a man and has many ladies to impress by showing his “vulnerability” of heart.Recommend

  • Arif Ullah
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:34PM

    Very well articulated article with a Despaired mind.

    George, don’t you think you are being too critical and focusing only on one aspect. I agree our society needs a revolution but we need to understand that this mindset exists in all societies. What American’s did in ABu Ghuraib Jail, what was done to muslims in Bosnia and we can give thousand examples.

    I am not defending this brutality, all i want to say is that you article revolves around citicizing Pakistan. We should criticise the act not the country. As a Pakistani i really feel ashamed but I am hopeful that this will change. You gave example of movies like Maula Jatt, i do seriously condemn such movies, but do you think we can not give you examples of such Hollywood movies???Recommend

  • Jibran
    Aug 26, 2010 - 6:37PM

    Bingo. Hasn’t it always been thus? It has.

    A dispute between two parties turned violent and the violence turned into brutal murders – This is not so shocking since it happens all the time. What is shocking is that it happened in broad daylight and no one intervened to stop the attackers. What is even more shocking is the behaviour of police [really? But apparently it is]. They were just there but they stood like silent spectators.

    In such incidents one expects normally a very nosy Pakistani people to rush to poke their noses in, intervene and stop the fight. As time passes violence and the surfeit of it in our society is making our hearts and mind hard and numb. And so a few bravehearts from the crowd who were supposed to jump in to stop the attackers didn’t move an inch.

    Now, the police. Well, anyone who has even slightest of acquaintance with this organisation knows full well that it is far worse than daciots and thieves. They try to keep face in big cities but as you step into small towns and insignificant countryside you notice the true face of the Pakistan police. Police gardi [police-terrorism] is a term coined decades ago.

    So whatever happened that day was “normal”, if you ask me, except for one thing: The crowd didn’t intervene. That is more alarming to me than police doing nothing to stop the killers!

    But why is there so much hype about this particular incident if it has always been thus? The answer is media. Media has never been as strong and loud in Pakistan as it is these days. [It doesn't necessarily mean it is doing a "good" job - I have my reservations]. But yes, it is the media. This incident might very well have been relegated to a small news square on page 4 of an Urdu daily had it not been for the footage and mainstream TV channels airing it as breaking news, going to interview the family of the victims and seeking answers from the local police chiefs.Recommend

  • Ali Khan
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:31PM

    George, honestly speaking you are absolutely right but do not attack on the whole nation as you are the part of this nation too. What have you done till now, tell me. Any progress from you any participation from you in making Pakistan a peacful land, nothing right. So blaming and criticizing is the easiest thing to do.
    I am a pure Pakistani and still proud to be Pakistani American but this kind of incidents and accidents are everywhere in the world. Have you ever had a chance to read or watch news from around the world. Every nation and every country has something weird going on. Unfortunately Pakistan’s issues are raised more than any other countries, I dont know why. Now 18 people were involved in the barbarism and mob lynching does not mean that Pakistani nation’s every individual is the same culprit.
    In short we all Pakistanis have to take a stand against our Politicians as well as we have to promise ourselves to start doing good for this country. Not throwing garbage outside can be the start and it can end with the developed nation. One step by any individual will change our beautiful land. Please Pakistani fellows, wake up, lets change our land into land of piece. I and my friends are sending 100,000 doallars from New York Inshallah soon. So what if I live in NY but I still have Pakistani sould and heart and Inshallah this pure land will be successful and peaceful land one day. George wait and watch Inshallah. Pakistan Zindabad!!!!!Recommend

  • M. Salim
    Aug 26, 2010 - 7:43PM

    excellent write-up – should be translated into Urdu for the benefit of the teaming millions. They need to wake-up from a state of self denial just like the silent intelligentsia!!Recommend

  • Mehreen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:12PM

    I see someone’s honeymoon period with Pakistan is over. Recommend

  • Hamza Ahmed
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:41PM

    Excellent Article Brother. But Keep In Mind That Every Nation Faces Tough Times. 50 Yrs, 60 yrs, 70 Yrs. Does Not Matter At All. Americans And Europeans Are Considered To Be The Best Nations Today But They Also Had To Face Hard Times To Achieve What They Have Achieved. For Example American Civil War, That War Is Considered One Of The Most Bitter Civil Wars In The Human History.

    There Will be A Day When Pakistan Will Prosper And Rule Hearts Of This World.Recommend

  • Mehreen
    Aug 26, 2010 - 8:55PM

    I’m fed up of you demoralising lot of people patronising the entire nation with your articles, ignoring the hardships we’ve all suffered or mocking them whilst completely ignoring the selfless acts so many are pulling daily, especially these days when we’re all racking our brains or breaking our backs earning our livings and trying to figure out how to help the flood victims at the same time.
    These barbaric acts in recent times no NOT define us. Read any daily anywhere. Across the seas, mothers in first world countries are killing their babies, fathers are torturing and raping daughters and then stuffing them in freezers for 2 years, people are walking into mosques and peeing on prayer mats, cabbies are getting stabbed for being Muslims, 70+ bodies at a time are being found in warehouses, and for the most part, most of these events occur or are aoccuring in countries with access to education, medical and finacial support, supposedly democrative govts, NO WAR, AND NO SUCCESSIVE NATIONAL CALAMITIES. But we’re the degnerates. Well done, George!Recommend

  • Neena
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:05PM

    After reading this article, I thought i felt moved by it but after a moment’s reconsideration, I’m sorry to say, I’m pretty disappointed in it. It tried to hold its facts and points right but generally I’d say it felt more like an emotional rant. Especially giving examples such as that of partition and our ‘entertainment’ sources to reflect the barbarism this nation holds seems too narrow minded a thought. Yes, Pakistan was found with loss of many lives but let that not become a ready-made blame for its future generations to have an inherent desire for bloodlust.
    And by the way, the whole nation responded in sorrow and shock to the event, did it not? “Don’t ‘act’ surprise”. Sorry to break it to you George but it was not pretense, and usually never is, when ‘the media, the blogosphere, facebookers’ and the general public condemned and reacted in horror to these killings.
    It is deeply heartbreaking and saddening but to me, even having such emotions mean we, to the very least, reflect at our misdoings.

    Bash us when we start adoring this ‘sadism’ and ‘barbarity’.Recommend

  • Shazia
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:16PM

    Many Pakistanis are ashamed to call themselves as such, but we reject a foreigner who has voluntarily become a Pakistani. Why?
    Why are we so intolerant that we cant accept him as one of us? Dont we go abroad and expect people to accept us? Where are our Muslim values? Our humanity? We seem to be just as intolerant as the men in that blood thirsty mob.
    Any rational person must realise that George is spot on. Lord of the Flies indeed. It is a truly sad time for this country.Recommend

  • Aleem Shafique
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:24PM

    “So don’t act surprised. The Sialkot murders are as Pakistani as truck art, biryani and loadshedding. This has always been an ugly reality of Pakistan and always will be.”

    Quite true and we should not be anguished by looking on this tragic incident in a different way. But at least, we have to put some barring on such barbaric acts and I think this is the right moment to put a full stop on it. Now, the matter is with apex court and I am sure that Justice Iftikhar and Justice Ramday will be able to adress the root cause of such incidents. Recommend

  • KH
    Aug 26, 2010 - 9:41PM

    “Barbarity and sadism are ever present in our society.” I agree with you and in support of your argument want to show you an evidence:

  • Soha
    Aug 26, 2010 - 10:27PM

    “Other people don’t kill each other,” George thought. “Why oh Why are Pakistanis so barbaric?”

    “Why can’t they behave ethically?” he wondered “like the rest of the world?”

    After all George was no fool. He knew that mobs in other countries were civilized. When the KKK attacked African Americans they always said please and thank you.

    Justice is always served in the United Kingdom. That must be why the crime rate is so low.

    “How DARE these Pakistanis be surpised that two teenaged boys were bludgeoned to death?” George asked himself.

    All Pakistani’s are the same – just so ignorant, right?Recommend

  • Sadaf Din
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:32AM

    Lets face the truth, there isn’t a single country on this entire planet that doesn’t have a brutal past or its positive traits. In all honesty, I feel that George being a Pakistani citizen has EVERY right to state his opinions about his country and all you racist individuals who take sheer joy in throwing around ridiculous insults aren’t even worth addressing but fortunately for me, I just happened to have a few spare minutes to do so. Anyway, I in all honesty believe, that our human species needs to be blamed for any atrocious events that take place anywhere on this poor unfortunate planet. We as a species have failed, but that does not change the fact that nothing should keep us from striving to be better human beings. Race, Religion, culture, it’s just extra fluff used to make up excuses and get away with murder. Get over yourselves…our species simply sucks!Recommend

  • Sara Bashir Malik
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:15AM

    Napoleon had once said: “The world suffers a lot, not because of the violence of bad people, but because of the silence of good people!” And THAT is why we NEED to act surprised, even if all this has been prevalent in Pakistan since forever. Just because something has been going on forever does NOT make it acceptable.Recommend

  • zohreenM
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:27AM

    since we are talking about brutality,mob mentality,how much we hate our minorities,chulo if we are all jaahil uneducated robots in your eyes,barbaric narrowminded fanatics then what would you say about the civilized world,the torch beareres of humanity (because theyre educated and have democracy and that is the only benchmark by which you can measure the psyche of a nation right George?)In Germany an arab woman was stabbed to death 18times because she was muslim,wore a headscarfso what are you going to do now?lambast every German for bieng a follower of Hitler?you think only pakistan needs to be put on a pedestal and the whole world should mock,criticize and run it down but if i turn the tables then its not ok?You are writing for an International newspaper arent you?well it figures they would happily put your childish little rant or” article” in thier paper but my stance would never see the light of whose barbaric now?whats the benchmark?what excuse does Germnay have?should a maulvi give a fatwa that all Germans should stand on one leg so you can be appeased that oh well its our stupid mentality at it again ?

    “It was while Marwa el-Sherbini was in the dock recalling how the accused had insulted her for wearing the hijab after she asked him to let her son sit on a swing last summer, that the very same man strode across the Dresden courtroom and plunged a knife into her 18 times.

    Her three-year-old son Mustafa was forced to watch as his mother slumped to the courtroom floor.

    Even her husband Elvi Ali Okaz could do nothing as the 28-year-old Russian stock controller who was being sued for insult and abuse took the life of his pregnant wife. As Okaz ran to save her, he too was brought down, shot by a police officer who mistook him for the attacker. He is now in intensive care in a Dresden hospital.”

    bear in mind that various sections of society in Germany DID condemn the act and a life sentence was handed down(should have been a death penalty but oh well)which,for a change,is what we,despite our shortcomings,our inept nonexistent justice system is attempting to do.THAT is why it is important for people,facebookers to condemn it and sneering,mocking this act is the last thing that you should be doing.At least we acknowledge we have problems.give us credit for trying.give a fledgling media credit for acknowledging its failure and attempting to rectify can bring back someone from life but we are far from the inane image you have painted of us that is now circulating all over the world thanks to you.Recommend

  • S. Ali Raza
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:46AM

    George: Ignore the self-righteous, complexed, Zaid Hamidy Nationalist type of hypocrites!

    You have hit the nail on the op-ed’s head :) Recommend

  • Aug 27, 2010 - 2:38AM

    i can totally understand your point George. when i watched ‘Lord of the Flies’ as part of my philosophy course in USA, the bad kids constantly reminded me of Pakistan and pakistaniz. lolz… we have destroyed our country and we deserve all that we’re going through. i wish lord of the flies could be a part of studies in pakistan. i wish people of pakistan could see outside their cocoons of false pride and this violent version of islam. i wish pakistani ppl could learn to be GOOD HUMAN BEINGS first and then try to be good muslims, christians , hindu or whatever faith they follow. After all, the purpose behind every religion is guiding human beings and helping us be civilized people. but i don’t see that happening in pakistan any time soon and i don’t see most pakistaniz realizing our mistakes. as long as we don’t realize our mistakes, we have no hopes of making amends. yes we pakistaniz are violent, barbaric, uncivilized….. we have a long way to go. maybe in a 100 yrs if majority of pakistaniz get educated, stop being biased, stop following our elders, religious clerics and leaders blindly and start thinking logically, we might have hopes of becoming a civilized nation. personally, i don’t see that happening in my life time. Recommend

  • Jahanzaib Haque
    Aug 27, 2010 - 2:39AM

    @Zohreen while your intricate comment is appreciated, it is unfortunately too lengthy to be published in the comments section. Best regards (Web Editor)Recommend

  • Kanzul Fatima
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:27AM

    Your words sting, Not because they are harsh words but because they are so very true. I hope you find better things to write about someday. I hope and believe you will =) keep writing! Recommend

  • Rad
    Aug 27, 2010 - 4:34AM

    You have echoed my thoughts exactly-a nation that was built on the rivers of blood flowing through beneath the banner of partition should not really be shocked and outraged at such atrocities.Recommend

  • pervez
    Aug 27, 2010 - 4:38AM

    Pakistan has never been a pure, peaceful Islamic state. AND IT NEVER WILL BE.. i dont like the phrase “and it never will be “… its very rude to say thatRecommend

  • salma noor
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:12AM

    I appreciate your writing and the passion behind it…. but the truth is every nations past and present is as dark as our …. you just have to look close enough…behind the fancy pretentions its the same old story…one way or another…and personal i would rather like/prefer to feel surprised each and every time, cos my surprise makes me realize that i still belief in the positives of our nation…
    … it keeps me striving for the good … and i know we will get there inshaAllah.Recommend

  • Umar Khan
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:30AM

    As disgusting as the thinking of your whole society, Mr. Fulton…

    Quran says….”If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allah likes not the Zalimun”-AL IMRAN(VERSE-140)

    These are tests n exams of the Almighty given upon to the nations of character n valor…

    Be thoughtful of the fact that since independence our nation has been trailed and tested…not by men or thoughts of mind but only by the WILL OF ALLAH… and AL HAMDOLILAH we have always survived and tolerated what ever test we are put into…

    i accept all your grievances Mr. Fulton about this nation, but dont appreciate the thought of yours considering us being in such state by default…Have u ever considered what all the your nation introduced this world with..during the royal days of commanding half of this world…inflation, poverty, depriving of rights to minors, we all learn from the predecessors dont we? Recommend

  • Sariah Imran
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:40AM

    this is utter generalization! and if Pakistan is so hopeless then why dont u get your respective asses out of here! we have hope and we can always work on our mistakes and try to be a better nation!
    These mishaps occur all around the world! Stop portraying Pakistan as if its the worst nation which has no hope at all, its our motherland and we respect it and love it unconditionally! what ever happened was extremely sad but that doesn’t give anyone the right to accuse all of the Pakistanis as barbaric. Stop being emotional fools, stay united and work for your country’s betterment. Instead of sitting in your drawing rooms as cursing your own nation! It is YOU who makes PAKISTAN..


  • Sheema
    Aug 27, 2010 - 6:56AM

    Here you go…fulton! see the article below!

  • jawaid Mohsin
    Aug 27, 2010 - 8:20AM

    Some people are mad in every society and country and for this the whole nation cannot be blamed. The law will take it course. till todate about 90 person have been arrested. All Pakistnees have condemned it. Every new pappaer and TV channels have condemned and reported this happening. Let us pray for the departed soul. It may happen again where literacy rate iabpit 15% and aout 1% of the GDP is pent on education. Let us comeforward to educate our people. This is the only way to stop such happenings.Recommend

  • Saif ul Islam Sajid
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:04AM

    If maula jatt performs anything, it is barbaric and if rambo does the same, it is action; are you not hyperactive to condemn our society. What do you know about our society or our culture? You are still its student (and well so am i). What happened in Sialkot is certainly a blot on us, but it is in no way a complete picture of our society. Certainly, the dreaded chain of mob justice of the day is to be stopped and the society is to be tamed, however, this is not our history. During the birth of our country, the massacre of muslims at the hands of hindus and sikhs led to the revenge. They started it, not us and it is our right to avenge.
    No matter how much u deny, the root cause are the same, separation from our religion and culture, illiteracy, poverty poor governance and law and order conditions, and they need to be addressed appropriately at all costsRecommend

  • Naz
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:05AM

    assalam-0-alikum, i just read the article and feel very sad people just think what they see… without looking at the word history.. if anyone read WW1 or world war2 what happen to those countries pluse hiroshema.. now this is time for as..some big countires will create a setuation which will be a men made.. and distroy the people of the countires which is happening and thats what happend in all the wars. Even tho we are talking about two brothers who where killed… and i have rade many stories in america for child abuse big time.. where mom’s cut there own baby in peaces and cooked.. not just one time thats what happened.. plus you will see in magazines alot of coco people every day life but they are crazy because they chouce for… but if in pakistan we get a right law n a good president you will see the peace in pakistan more then any other country..Recommend

  • Saad
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:49AM

    @ Kashif Malik.
    Denial does not change the fact that every word is true.
    Blame games are not a justification but a mode of nurture for the ills that are already existent.
    Excellent piece George!Recommend

  • Summaiya
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:53AM

    “This has always been an ugly reality of Pakistan and always will be. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a misnomer. Pakistan has never been a pure, peaceful Islamic state. And it never will be.”


    PS. A very disappointing attempt.Recommend

  • Sadaf
    Aug 27, 2010 - 11:24AM

    @Sabeen Ameen weldone There are some pure pakistani’s like U me and some other petriotic person pakistan needs some positive energy i always believe that Love pakistan or leave it
    Pakistan zaindabadRecommend

  • Babar
    Aug 27, 2010 - 11:56AM

    Well i appreciate what you told but thats nothing new to us! its there for evey nation in one way or the other. How come you forget the barbaric acts on Palestinians, Kashmaris etc. its not just our country but the whole world is wrapped with such injustic acts.Recommend

  • hammad
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:23PM

    Well George, do you have any idea of brain drain of Pakistan? Do not become advocate of Pakistan and label it a barbaric nation if you do not have guts to write even single one good act of Pakistan. Pakistan has flaws but the atitude you have shown in article simply reflect to me your unconcern about Pakistan. I have been writing on different forums. My talk starts more or less same like youRS, but i give solutions as a must in my articles because i care for this land. So my request to you is that do not label Pakistan with bad names, it is a state which has set wonderful examples in every fIeld of life despite of very low GDP. Recommend

  • Wajih Khattak
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:49PM

    I agree with most of what you said George but not that we have acted surprised, we are barbaric, ruthless and possessing all the evil qualities, but this being captured and shown to us have definitely made an impression that unfortunately (or fortunately) would last for a long time. Now Mr. Fulton you should reconsider your comments on the barbarism and brutality that happened in the war of independence (or mutiny), what happened back than was inhumane but you don’t expect a country to rip off into two pieces without bloodshed. What happened in Sialkot is totally different, I mean they were tortured to death with our law standing their like a total stooge to the mob, if they would have just killed them it would have been accepted by many but not the way they killed those 2 boys (whether innocent or not) and specially what they did to them afterward. I have seen those touchy movies about the Jews and the Nazi, where the poor Jews are shot dead or put into gas chamber, but still I found them somehow humane (except for the mass killing). So I think now you should understand that why so much reaction has been observed, there is so much I would like to write and let you know but I dont think I would be able to express all that I feel about this incident.
    We have seen, read and heard about violence like this, but this one happening with 100′s of people witnessing it and the Police standing there (I am finding it too hard to write and comment about the police without using foul language) and being a part of this hideous crime have made many of us realized that its about time things start changing around here or we will not recover this. For the first time I have feel disgusted about my nationality and am being ashamed of calling myself Pakistani, as this time I (or we) have no excuse for what happened in Sialkot, those were not Taliban, foreigners, Militia etc. that was us, Pakistani. Recommend

  • Angela
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:55PM

    When things are pushed down your throat all your life and so then again does another generation breed the same hate and intent. I dont agree with all you said but understand the underlying truths. Your country have so many wonderful beautiful loving people in it who just want the chance to strive and make something of their lives and are supressed at even trying.Recommend

  • mujtaba haydar
    Aug 27, 2010 - 12:55PM

    How can anyone not agree with George? Indeed, a lot of British raised lads, like myself, would describe the so called ‘land of the pure’ in such a way as George has, albeit, I can be a tad too colourful!. The basic idea for Pakistan was straight forward, and the plan seemed right on track after the carnage of the bloody partition. But, up and until the word “Islamic” was officially slapped on Pakistan did we start seeing a totally different Pakistan being nightmarishly born anew than the one sought by it’s idealistic founding fathers. I think the Quaid would be turning in his grave knowing what he left behind to such a people. I was proud of calling myself a Pakistani, up until now!. I guess the only proud ‘roots’ of my ancestral land I can boast of, and from where I can refer to it’s history and culture, would be the land of pre-partition India, and even the Indus valley civilisation. Anyone read the Indus Saga? :-)Recommend

  • Naqvi
    Aug 27, 2010 - 1:54PM

    Poor article and an even poorer attempt at journalism. Would’ve expected more sensibility and decency. By the way talking about barbarism, every nation in the world has had a chunk of barbarism. It all comes down to whether barbarism is acceptable (very sightly) on the basis of motive. The barbarism we endured in 1947 can be viewed on the ground of sacrifice.
    And don’t even get started on the vigilantes or should I remind you where the fashion of vigilantes started from (Batman, Max Payne, Hitman).
    As for Maula Jatt, we’ve seen quite a few counterparts (probably even more graphic) in the western media as well.
    For entertainment (on screen, fiction), we might endure this, but seeing this happen in real life, our humanity kicks in.

    “The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a misnomer. Pakistan has never been a pure, peaceful Islamic state.”
    Will agree with you on this though. Recommend

  • Salman Elahi
    Aug 27, 2010 - 2:07PM

    most of the people commenting have ever been to rural land – sitting and sipping from their cozy suites people sure like to comment and pass judgment on what is Barbaric and what isn’t. lets go 10 yrs back – prior to the media revolution & the same folks had no clue about the width of breadth of this country. The media is nascent – learn to look thru or it. And What talk of about the gruesome movies reflecting culture. What about the Tarantino movies preaching vigilante justice – no that’s brilliant cinema. I am not even scratching the surface when it comes to violence on silver screen in the west and even in the East Asian cinema! Why are we turning a blind eye towards the general degradation of humanity across this planet. Satti is still practiced in India , Western nations continue to dominate in resources consumed and CO2 emissons. Just because its camouflage respectively behind the glitz and glory of bollywood and sky that we look the other way.
    George if you are blessed with some screen time , we dont expect you to produce the same rants as countless other columnists do. Give us your vantage point, mate!Recommend

  • Ghuffran Aman Ullah
    Aug 27, 2010 - 2:55PM

    I appreciate the fact that you refer to yourself as us. I am always astonished to see how can you, seeing all this around still feel Pakistani ? Lord of the Flies indeed. I had never made that connection but now that you say it very true indeed. I wonder how and if we will ever get out of this ? I am beyond words in expressing my gratitude I would say that even after all of this you still chose to be and feel Pakistani. Recommend

  • Saadiya
    Aug 27, 2010 - 3:09PM

    Oh!! so you want to bring history and barbarism into it?? Two words synonymous with both UK & USA!!! Go read your history books Mr. Fulton!!! the British history is full of murder, rape and Oppression….take the Tudor era…Henry VIII…what was the punishment for someone SUSPECTED of treason??? To be hanged, drawn and quartered was the penalty in England. And this was carried out till Edward I. The convicted were drawn by horse on a wooden hurdle to the place of execution, and once there were ritually hanged, emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces). As a warning against further dissent, their remains were often displayed at prominent places, such as London Bridge. For reasons of public decency, women convicted of high treason were instead burnt at the stake. And who stood and witnessed this??? Everyone!! Even children….Don’t even get me started on Bloody Mary…

    You came, you invaded and after over 200 years of opressive rule left the people of the subcontinent to fight and die ….and are doing so till date….Recommend

  • Danish
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:16PM

    I totally agree wid you George. i dont know when this mob will wake up from denial that its a nation state.Recommend

  • fatima
    Aug 27, 2010 - 5:39PM

    It is easy to state things as they are; Pakistan is a bloody nation and there is no way it would ever recover [as it seems from the situation]. the point however is if we write for a news paper we write more than facts, a solution may be or mold the heinous crimes so that they become a deterrent and not an inspiration instead. if you aren’t doing that there is no point writing an article….Recommend

  • Omair Shakil
    Aug 27, 2010 - 6:35PM

    George, it seems from the historical inaccuracies in your article, that your History teacher back in England went straight to the chapter on 1947 massacres and thought it best to skip the section on how the British plundered and looted the sub-continent and then just as an after thought decided to slice this huge land into incongruent bits and pieces. We can also never thank you guys enough for Kasmir and Junagadh, uncourteous creatures that we are! That said, I agree that our human rights record record is downright appaling and that we have more than our share of haters. I also agree that we can never absolve ourselves of the blame for the state that we are in but it is important to point out that the decay that we are has roots that run deep. Maybe our situation would have been different if the world hadn’t used us to fight their proxy wars; if instead of guns and bombs, we had been given books and stationary so that we could fill our empty schools with students. You have certainly identified the elephant in the room but your article whoich is heavy with bias and a lack of association with the people of this country makes me question your motives and your sincerety.
    George if you can’t be a part of the solution, then your realization of the problem has been a futile attempt. If you wan’t us to accept you as one of us, help us rectify.Recommend

  • Saif
    Aug 27, 2010 - 7:15PM

    It Reminded me of the movie the passion of Christ!

    Also the Vikings!

    And witch hunting in Europe.

    Or the school shootings of USA

    The problem is not in society all human beings are capable of great compassion and extreme voilance. The problem here is the LAW!
    It is in the interest of the police that we blame this indecent on our society. What we need to do is punish the police according to the law so that it never happens again. If we keeping making the lame excuse that our society is like this then the next boys can be our sons, and brothers!Recommend

  • RW
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:01PM

    Perfection George!!Recommend

  • Tariq Rahim
    Aug 27, 2010 - 9:50PM

    The real problem is that this one heinous act unfortunately got taped and got beamed into your laps right in those comfort zones, and put your collective panties in a twist. Now you’re having to deal with this major wedgie, and all I see is self hatred about how terrible we all are as a people. Get over your inflated egos. This barbarism is a regular occurrence in our rural areas, where the majority of Pakistanis live, and no one there reads Express Tribune, much less blog on it. They have already moved on, and frankly would be surprised at all you Marie Antoinettes shaking your heads and proffering bread. Every rural person grows up scared of the whims of the local landlord and his police goons. Women get raped, kids get thrown in tandoors, and if you guys in the cities really did care about this society you would have done something in the last 60 years. But you’re so disconnected from reality in your cocoons that you scurry about from gated houses to private clubs, to booze and drugs, mainly to keep your spirits up. Why? Your lives seem to be perfect. I’ll have you know that most people in the rural areas are proud to be Pakis despite the lives they lead, which includes subsistence farming, food insecuriy, and perpetual exposure to environmental, biological and social hazards. So all you westernized wannabees, you deriding western influence in your country while dying to move there if you could, you are the hapless self-appointed intelligentsia who have really let this country down. Not the rural poor you so blithely pooh pooh as barbaric. You are no less cowardly in turning a blind eye, when you know all this goes on. You urban laptop cowboys, do something constructive otherwise you lose the right to rant. How dare you label the rest of us Pakis, when you comprise 2% of the country. No wait, that’s what you excel at. Go spank yourselves.Recommend

  • SM
    Aug 27, 2010 - 10:10PM

    Brave article indeed! Recommend

  • Aisha
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:46AM

    This was an overly exaggerated article… written on some agenda…it was neither thought provoking nor was it based on facts that can be applied to our society. How much the writer has understood our culture… calling us barbarians and viewing this incident as a usual event happening on regular basis was really a big shock!!
    I wonder the goal of the writer. I consider this article as an effort to prove his hatred for this nation and I suggest such articles should not be allowed for publishing. Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 12:54AM

    Always love what you have to say. This country needs the bitter truth. And thanks for always telling it like you see it. this is what i call professional journalism.=D Recommend

  • mahlee
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:01AM

    Kashif Malik

    he isnt wrong abt the partition, the pakistanis did all that brutality to yung bengali children, raped them for the sake of getting their partition.

    so he isnt wrong

    so everyone nids to know the fact before geting so defensive!!Recommend

  • mujtaba haydar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:13AM

    Why is everyone having a go at George and Great Britain? No Pakistani is in a position to point fingers at anyone at this moment. It makes me sick reading comments of people referring back to Britain’s colonial past in the sub-continent, but guess what? The Brits certainly did a good job in straightening your ancestors out, and their administration of that accursed land, that’s now come to be known as Pakistan, was the sort that old folk usually remember as being incorruptible, and to prove their point, they refer to many vestiges of infrastructure they left behind, which has outlasted anything this country has ever built in it’s 63 years of sordid history.
    I was amazed to read in the comments how someone stated the wanton barbarism being caught on camera as being “unfortunate”!!!! The startling psyche of the modern Pakistani. OK, so it has now come to a point where Pakistani’s are undertaking damage control by comparing themselves to India’s barbarism, such as their practice of Satti, and how the Indian Police are as much capable in their savagery as their Pakistani counterparts! But what surprises me is that almost every Pakistani is taught how to eloquently praise the peace loving religion of Islam, here the difference between the Hindus and Muslims becomes clear. Unfortunately, the orgasmic pleasure these Muslims seemed to have had in mauling the two innocent youths, even in their holiest of Months, was just too good for their religion to be given any thought. 1400 hundred years ago, there were a people who professed the same religion as Pakistani’s, and they literally butchered almost every member of the Prophet Muhammad (saww) family In karbala. Lets just cut to the chase, Muslims are cursed. And George, don’t you think it’s time to call it a day?.Recommend

  • Fatima
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:26AM

    With due respect, I hope you are reading this. A nation should not be called barbaric because not the whole nation was involved. You are giving the example of Mulla Jat, let me tell you the number of horror movies are made in western countries(Hollywood). you go to a DVD shop you’ll find 10 different kinds of movies and all with disturb looking images on it. In every movie people are killed in a barbaric way and they cry for help and people enjoy watching that. CSI series, X-files:I want to believe what happens in this they are showing chopped parts of the bodies. There are number of horror movies made over there and the number of horror movies made here is compare to that is nothing. There have been so many barbaric incidents in west due to racism, religion, etc. You say that openly murder of the certain politician is barbaric what about Kennedy he was shot! Few years back there was an incident in America that bunch of high school girls at a play ground brutally tortured a Muslim girl and recorded it on there camera and they themselves put it on you tube and there were bunch of them who was watching, no body did anything. And this is the tip of the ice berg. Freedom is not an easy thing you get. People do get hurt. I am sure you have watched Brave heart wasn’t he fighting for freedom? Weren’t there people killed and slaughtered? So are westerns barbaric who watch horror movies for fun and shows like CSI, etc.Just because the country has Veto power and they are developed they can’t be baebaric. We are part of the third world country. Our country is 100 years back. So is it aloud to call us whatever they want.
    There are bunch of so called Muslims who are terrorizing the earth are all the Muslims butchers that what the west calls us that all the Muslims are terrorists! Are we Muslims terrorists? NO! our religion teaches peace. They say it like that because they see Muslims they don’t read about Islam none of us practicing Islam the way it is suppose to be but does that makes Muslims barbaric? Understand the situation that happened in Sialkot and blame the real culprits please do not call the whole nation equally involved in the crime. Our heart crys tears of blood about the incident we have to fight for justice. I would have totally agreed with you If you had written something about Judicial over here there is no doubt about it. There is no Law, justice for sure.
    People who are saying that your article is true and right. They are the ones who make our country look so bad. They speak about it just because they don’t like this country. Let me tell you the truth YOU CAN’T RUNAWAY FROM HERE, THIS IS YOUR HOME SO FIX IT AND MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN IT. You can’t runaway to some other countries. Our Indian brothers are much more Patriotic then we are. We are copying their dramas and lifestyle from the Dramas why can’t we also copy their patriotism. If we are going through mud on this country we are the ones who is going to get dirty….. May Allah show us the right path. Recommend

  • Khusro Kamran
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:46AM


    What you wrote is unfortunately true. But, as a muslim one shouldn’t just blame things as they are because they were meant to be this way. No, as a muslim and an educated man, one should always be hopeful for the goodness in future.
    When Allah’s last messenger, Muhammmad PBUH was given prophethood, the land of Arabs was probably more barbaric than the present society of Pakistan. But, through his kind deeds and proper implementation of Islamic laws and behaviour, the world changed.
    Yes, Pakistan isn’t or never was a pure Islamic state, but don’t say it can never be, because hopelessness and despair are the signs of ‘kufr’ not islam.
    Islam is a message of hope and peace, its all about practising and teaching the right values to people, then the change can be seen and felt.
    Would love to have a disccussion with you.


  • Khusro Kamran
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:50AM

    P.S. and one more thing, Lord of the Flies scenario occurs when one gets fearless of meeting God & have no sense of good and bad. It can happen anywhere, even in the west. Infact the civilised world of west changed after the dark ages, after they all got educated and when education was made compulsory.
    An illiterate society can go no where, we all have to work hard …all the educated cjass if we want to see a change and not the continuation of Lord of the Flies.Recommend

  • niyaz gul
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:52AM

    Don,t abuse the whole nation please.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 6:24AM

    Justice delayed is justice denial!Recommend

  • Sana
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:05AM

    and the point is? this is who we are.. so we should not feel anything?
    and have you ever watched any R rated graphic hollywood movie? do you see this on their streets?Recommend

  • SRM
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:20AM

    Simply emotional writing without solid grounds. There are so many flaws which i would have mentioned but they are already described by Mr. Zeeshan in his article.

    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:55AM

    mr. khurram has rightly depicited our present state of affairs. any who comes home in the evening in still one piece is most fortunateRecommend

  • muhammad arif
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:29AM

    an absolut biased article by mr george. welcome to pakistan but before commenting on partition you must go through unbiasd history . it seems you are absolutetly ignorant of massacre of muslim men ,wemen,children caused by hindus and sikhs. countless inocent muslim wemen just to save their honour commited suicide by jumping into wells.
    well all pakistannies are neither barbaric nor moula jat but are as normal humen being and peace loving as any body else on earth.Recommend

  • M.R. Abidi
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:15PM

    You don’t have any right to say anything like this. You belongs to a nation spreading this wildness all over the world. Every Pakistani is against this act of violence, we all condemned this act. This is your kind of people who portray Pakistan in such way. You really a looser George, why don’t you leave such and country and people?Recommend

  • Samandar Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:20PM

    Everyone’s upset about this event, there’s no doubt about it. However, most of you are using this incident and George’s emotional diatribe, as an opportunity to vent your own biases. All you bloggers fall into two groups, quite predictably exhibiting two distinct Paki traits. First there’s the, “wah wah, so courageous and articulate of you George, you’re the sole guy who speaks the truth.” Second there’s the knee jerk defensive trying to divert attention to Britain’s past (with the exception of Saadiya who was spot on), as well as the nefarious goings on in India, USA, Europe. To all of you, get off your cellulite laden butts and do something to improve your country. Don’t look for affirmation from others such as Time, Newsweek, CNN or George. Be honest to yourself first and see if you earn your own respect. The world’s respect will naturally follow. You whining bunch of city slickers make me sick, because its always about Pakistan being so terrible, when in reality you just want to be like the west and be liked by the west. You try and replicate those litle enclaves of ‘civility’ in the comfort of your high walled homes, but reality has a way of sneaking up on you and destroying your delicate delusion. You guys don’t even know what it means to be Pakistani. Do you know one person who belongs to the so called ‘barbaric’ rural poor? And your cook, driver and chowkidar doesn’t count. Get over your privileged angst. Be a giver not a taker.Recommend

  • Saira Rehman
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:54PM

    In this article george tried to portray the real and gruesome picture of Pakistan but to claim that Pakistan is all about barbarism is not a just thing to do. I am not denying or wiping out these realities and acnnnot but to claim tat Pakistan is al about such brutalities and barbarism is not fair. We all respect and Love george but he should be bit conscious while certifying Pakistan as the land of killings and excessive massacres.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:33PM

    ‘The Sialkot murders are as Pakistani as truck art, biryani and loadshedding. This has always been an ugly reality of Pakistan and always will be.’ I’m shocked Express Tribune actually published your writing.
    Perhaps you would like to comment about the British/US ways of invading nations, starting wars, supplying ammunition, racism during partition, killings, murders etc etc etc etc.Recommend

  • SA
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:46PM

    George, I feel glad that you consider yourself as part of Pakistan and have the courage to share the blame. The problem is that in order to criticize our society you’ve taken a very simplistic view. Maula Jutt is not a representation of our society it is a mythical figure made out to fight the injustices of our society. Doesn’t all super hero movies build upon this fact? case in point; Robin HOOD. Injustices occur all across the globe and human rights violations occur as much in USA as Pakistan. A girl gets raped every 10 minutes in USA so does that mean that the US society is corrupt as a whole? George you have embarked upon the symptoms rather than the root cuase of the disease. Injustice, Corrupt govt institutions, inefficient Judiciary and a failed political regime are the main reasons for all this abyss. Please stope ridiculing ‘US’ Pakistanis because you want to believe that we are a failed state. Please if you’ve chosen to be a Pakistani then do it with the best of intentions, not with the aim of self ridiculing and demoralizing us.Recommend

  • Omar Yousaf
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:47PM

    ‎”If in your course, you don’t meet your equal, your better, then continue your course, firmly, alone. There’s no fellowship with fools”
    Mr. Fulton, I disagree sir… I totally disagree. Your article is sheer evidence of your lack of knowledge and respect of the culture, social norms and most importantly history of this country. You seem to have read a handful of books and selectively pecked upon a few incidents and episodes from the little past that you know of and extrapolated your opinion over the entire nation. But I’m not here to criticize you. I’m here to talk to the PAKISTANIS.
    I ask the hundreds of people who have read or commented on this article; look around yourself, you know at least a few hundred people around you. They may come from diverse backgrounds… young, old, educated, uneducated, moderate, extremists, Muslims, Christians. How many times have you seen or observed the barbaric tendencies the Mr. Fulton has referred to? Just ask yourself how many relatives, friends are like that or even have the audacity to think like that. Ask yourself this question many times over and I pray to God that your answer is NONE because my answer is NONE. Ask yourselves, if you hadn’t seen the Sialkot incident would you still say we are a monstrous lot. Please don’t label yourselves as barbaric, rapists, murderers because we are not.
    To label a nation as barbaric and degenerate one has to look at things in the right perspective. I would say world wars were barbaric in which British, German, French, Russians had the blood lust Mr. Fulton has conveniently labeled on to us. Both wars ensured more than 60 million dead with endless suffering later on. I would say dropping of a nuclear bomb on Japan was barbaric leaving more than 250,000 dead and millions suffering later on. Ask yourselves are we anyways closer to that? Now I don’t mean to sound like our politicians that since they did wrong, we are permitted to do so as well. The incident is worth criticizing and perpetrators be punished but to claim that this is the face of the entire nation is utter non-sense.
    Now for those who conveniently appreciated the article declaring viewpoints like “Brilliant”, “truth to its core”, “welcome to barbaristan”… SNAP OUT OF IT… read your history, read other nation’s history, understand why people do what they do and make a knowledgeable, well informed and a nationalistic comment rather than nodding your heads like puppets on a string.
    I come back to you now Mr. Fulton. Seems to me that you were longing to relate something to lord of the flies and you have successfully married a cow to a chicken finally. Being the representative of a so called civilized world, I had much respect for you as you – I thought – may understand the power of words and articulation but I am disappointed in you as well. Of my Nation I’m still not.
    Hopefully Yours,
    Omar YousafRecommend

  • Raza Naqvi
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:31PM

    Sir, what a disgusting and above all incorrect generalisation. You have vilified an entire nation, an entire culture based on the actions of a few hundred people. Where is the justice in that? Nay, where is the sense in that?Recommend

  • Mahvish
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:49PM

    with due respect sir,your article is based on lack of information. This situations you have built appears to be in Guantanamo bay ……
    we accept that there needs to built strict law and order ,but No nation is perfect. This is not happening in Pakistan alone. You can find these brutal stuff in all over the world. But We condemn this, and hope so if the criminals will be punished then these sort of killings will never gonna happen again.Recommend

  • Mehreen
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:03PM

    Here goes another one with a superiority complex passing generalisations and judgment on all. I disagree with Samandar Khan, there are a lot who commented here who fit neither slot/category he’s forcing them into, they are many who have well articulated our angst at being rubbished and called barbarians.
    Ironically, those countless people who are breaking their backs these days helping out aren’t the ones complaining, when they’re the ones actually dealing with the reality of things. These are the people who need to be projected, because they inspire good, they motivate, they move.

    May God bless the 2 boys and give their family courage to bear their brutal murder, and may we as a society overcome these evils, Inshallah. Countries/Societies have been through worse, I am sure we can beat this if we support each other, calm isn’t attainable by spreading hate and mistrust. Recommend

  • sam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:07PM

    “Rather than drawing inspiration from the Holy Quran, our nation models itself on another book — a book in which children become savages. Pakistan is not the land of the pure — we are Lord of the Flies.”
    superbly put… couldn’t agree more..Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 9:19PM

    You have written this very concisely about what we are, and have become and will continue to progress unless average pakistani comes out very strongly condemning all the violence & corruptions. this shall take place in every office, school, college, or a place of business to show that it won’t be tolerated.Recommend

  • fatima
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:37PM

    i felt angry after reading your article, but you are entitled to your own opinion. But you have your facts all wrong. Sure, Pakistan was made at the cost of many lives, but don’t isolate Pakistan’s history from the world’s and call us Barbaric and don’t refer to my country as a degenerate nation. just open up a history book and read about all the “revolutions”, the civil wars, the world wars, the genocides, the mutinies and the colonialism that raged havoc in the world, and please don’t forget to read who it was caused by. Sure, we’re a state in trouble, drowning not only in the flood waters but many other problems,yet that doesn’t give you or any other Pakistani citizen to call me a barbarian. I did not beat those two boys to death, i did not drown hundreds of villages to save my land, and neither did i send those drones that kill children and women who are written off as collateral damage. Bloodshed may be a part of Pakistan’s history, but it does not define us. Understand that, and remember it. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:55PM

    well written and true to the core ! this is our reality , Sadly !Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 10:59PM

    Well said George i understand the morale of the story and that is tolerence ..yes we need to change our attitude. i salute ur bravery and i respect your patriotism. I don’t know how long it will take us to learn and how long we will coupe with all this..

    Majority of Pakistani’s are sad at this but yes it is not the first time, what happened in Karachi some suspected bandits were BURNED to death by the mob. we can find many justifications and there are justifications.
    I want to ask you guys a question doesn’t our religious people encourage public punishments. many of us admire the Iranian revolution why? All of us know the answer.

    But anyways Nothing will change we are hypocrite society we want others to change not ourselves ..i will give you an example when i came back to pakistan i rented a portion and in the first month i got an overreaded bill, when i asked my landlord he started swearing at wapda and the system but i come to know that he was the one stealing electricity…

    we need to change ourselves, (apnay giraban main jhankain hum sab) self accountability. Recommend

  • Kazim Merchant
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:21PM

    Why single out pakistanis? Was this any worse than the Minnesota (duluth) lynching of 1920? Or Nazi Germany? or the massacre by the British at the jalianwala bagh? Or Rwanda? Or Hiroshima? Humans are too complex foryour simple mind to understand. People are people. I feel sick about Sialkot. But it’s a human problem, not necessarily a Pakistani one.Recommend

  • ehte
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:43PM

    True but twisted towards the wrong angle. the wrongs in a society can only be blamed on the upbringing of the society as a whole as well as the twisted sense of morality that have been conditioned by increasing lawlessness and perceived religious rigidness.Recommend

  • Rabia Ezdi
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:46PM

    Of course I’m not entirely surprised, because Pakistan-bashing is the fashionable thing these days.
    Taking the negative and extreme segments of any society and projecting them as a reflection of the entire nation is stupid, ignorant and shallow. There is no country in the world that does not have elements of crime and injustice. Not to forget Mr Fulton’s country of origin, which despite calling itself ‘civilized’, is full of daily stories of psychotic ‘human rights abuses’: young people murdering innocent children, mothers killing their own babies, racial hate-crimes till this day, and much more.
    The article does no more than bring down the ‘Express Tribune’ as legitimate journalism. Congratulations, your newspaper has just turned into a joke. Recommend

  • Wasim Kakakhel
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:57PM

    Somehow George, I’m not buying this “we Pakistanis” line of reasoning. Its good old fashioned, looking down your nose, sneering, and you don’t get a free pass just by using ‘we’. Your article reads better and sounds more sincere if one substitutes ‘you Pakis’ for ‘we’. Your voyeuristic take on Pakiland as defined by a cult movie and a bloody partition, makes little sense. Maybe you should watch George Gittoes’ movie ‘The Miscreants of Taliwood’, since he seems to get it. The ‘it’ being where reality ends and the surreal vigilante heros of Punjabi cinema take over. Grow up, take a stroll around your newly adopted home, soak it in, and then share your views. Your fulminating has got all these London vacationing types in a lather. Be wary of the power you wield over this insignificant minority of self loathing Pakis.Recommend

  • Ali
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:22AM

    praising such articles is ironic
    “brilliant” “awesome” bla bla

    i dont agree at some places
    pakistan had once been a peaceful land… where people in even big cities like karachi used to sleep in their open verandas without locking their doorsRecommend

  • Maryam
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:25AM

    And you are a Pakistani? How dare you.

    Your article is farthest from the truth. You are treated with kindness and welcomed into a community and you reward the nation by a vitriolic outburst as one would expect from an angry, ill informed, individual who thinks he knows all.

    Shame on you George. it is NOT your PakistanRecommend

  • Shahid Khan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:52AM

    Dear George, nice article and It’s a kind of self-reflection. We must look within, identify the problems and mistakes and then try to overcome and correct them. This article gives some food of thought. But I wish you’d have finished it with some hope for the already depressed, sad and hopeless Pakistanis. Recommend

  • Aug 29, 2010 - 2:07AM

    @maryam that is realy bad of u ..who are u to disqualify him from being a pakistani he is a pakistan and more pakistani than us because we were born here but he suffered for becoming pakistan when many pakistanis were want to leave this country or left it…Recommend

  • Muhammad Afaq Shaikh
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:18AM

    this is the saddest article george…ur hate for pakistan is coming out….its not Pakistan but some people….u have lived here and u know Pakistan has a bright side too…i have seen u attending salsa sessions n u n ur wife dancing with others…..stop spreading the negative image of the country in the west…..if u hate pakistan so much …go back..Recommend

  • Maryam
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:23AM

    Do not generalize. There is plenty to fix in Pakistan, but to demonize and disrespect an entire nation in this way is not acceptable. Citizenship is no attained by gaining a passport, it is by wanting to call it a home. And when your home is messy, you fix it but you done call its dwellers flies, cockroaches or genetically lacking.Recommend

  • Adnan Cyprian
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:24AM

    Mr Fluton is right. And a lot of the comments given here are a testament to George is saying.This is not the first time and it would not be the last. The only difference is that there is a video. So please dont act surprised. Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 29, 2010 - 3:10AM

    We’re all Pakistanis here and I think we need to accept these problems as our own. Why is it that we are giving lists upon lists of other countries where these human right abuses are also taking place? Do we WANT to be like them? Just because something is inherent in man does not mean that we should not correct it. And I agree with George. Pakistani society is indeed a very violent one if only because of the failure of the system as a whole than any Pakistani liking of violence. While saying this we must remember that it is we ourselves who have let this happen and the sooner we accept this the better it will be. Women ARE being tortured, raped, murdered_ you name it, it’s happening to us. Minorities ARE being oppressed. And the most odious part is that some of these criminals are those that sit in the parliament, who get paid from the taxes a select few of us choose to pay to the state. We DO lack communicating skills. Instead of arguing with reason, we, myself included start bashing the one whose point of view we don’t agree with (I use the excuse that I’m Pakistani so I have the birth-right to hate India_ I’m not proud. Ok secretly I do get pleasure from it.) While watching this I do not blame those standing by, they’re probably too scared and being in a crowd everybody expects somebody else to help and history HAS shown us when people join mobs, they lose their conscience. The one to blame here is the policeman but more than that, his superiors, and more than that I blame myself. Instead of bashing the Police maybe if I could gather the courage to get recruited the system could really improve.
    What happened here was a case of people choosing to punish rather than prevent. Being unhealthily obsessed with religion, we still think we have the right to punish someone instead of preventing him from doing further harm. Lord of the Flies being one of my favourite books, I couldn’t agree more with George’s comparison. I think I should add here that just a few days ago, I had to sign a paper which said that I agreed to all Ahmedis being non-Muslims and I did. And every one of us has signed that paper. The officials at NADRA or the passport office don’t even give it any importance. These lines are the fine print to being a Pakistani but I wonder what these lines mean to Ahmedis. With so much inequality and oppression in our society it was only a matter of time till we resorted to violence.Recommend

  • Sonia Qadir
    Aug 29, 2010 - 3:13AM

    This article is wrong on SOOO many levels! I actually can’t believe I’m reading this. Is it just me or there’s like this trend for foreigners who come to live in Pakistan to talk about us in such racist terms? (because this is certainly not the first time I’m witnessing such comments from a foreigner residing in Pakistan).

    So we are barbarians? I suppose it must be in our genes, George? Quite unfortunate that 300 years of rule from your Superior and Civilized White Nation could not cure us of our disease. And of course I should not mention colonialism or the fact that Europe and USA are built on the exploitation, brutal murder and torture of people of the rest of the world. No need to mention that the British Raj created the problems, the cracks in our social fabric that have not healed even now. Because of course all that violence, and social/legal “ordering” was merely your attempt to cleanse the rest of us (the inferior, backward, barbarian races) of our disease!!!

    Oh Maula Jutt is horrifying? Well I completely understand George. Hollywood, US and British Television is after all SO peaceful,all about love and caring about each other, and humanity in general. A severed limb!!! Just imagine! I have never seen anything like that in Hollywood. Horror oh Horror!

    Some fools would ask at this point “what about Iraq? What about Afghanistan? What about the millions of people who die of aerial bombing of Your Highness The Civilized West? What about the victims of Napalm attacks? What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?”
    Oh what foolish people! As i’m sure you would tell them in your infinite wisdom George, the West has only done that for our own good!
    After all, its only fair that drone attacks kill scores of innocent civilians in a country where 2 children were once beaten to death by an angry mob. Only fair!

    Thanks for trying to save us George!! I’m sure your White Man’s Burden must be quite hard to bear!! Recommend

  • moyn
    Aug 29, 2010 - 4:26AM

    i so totally agree with the analysis given by the writer. whatever he has said is 100% true about us. but , come on!! there HAS to be SOME solution- SOME light at the end of this dark tunnel of savagery!Recommend

  • Kauser
    Aug 29, 2010 - 9:10AM

    What George has written is something that many of us cannot deny. Brutality, utter disrespect of everything and everyone not concerned with oneself, anger, lawlessness, hatred and sadism are the norms of the code of conduct of majority in Pakistan. Those of us who take time to reflect on the happenings of the last 2-3 decades will certainly realize that we are going down (light speed) a slippery steep slope.

    Those familiar with history are reminded of the Roman amphitheaters, the Colosseum and the entertainment which always involved death and destruction;the barbaric show of strength by the Mongols; lynching and burning of women and men in Medieval Europe; the German and Japanese atrocities of war, the Lynching and burning of Africans in US, the genocide in Africa, the bloody revolutions and many more. Thus atrocities committed cannot be pinned to a race, religion, color of skin, culture, or richness/poverty. it seems that every nation has had its fair share of brutality and victimization.
    What should be (and hopefully is’) of concern is how to get out of this. We are fortunate to have successful examples from history of nations who have shaken off the shackles of ignorance, brutality, and apathy. These need to be studied with a focus on steps to be taken and how to go about it considering the diverse cultural, ethnic and religious and educational background of this nation (if I may call it thus). Many of us are aching lets get together for the purpose of rising from the abyss.

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