Police remove Quranic verses from Ahmadi graves to 'avert clashes'

Published: August 18, 2012

Applicants had threatened of religious clashes if Quranic verses, texts were not removed from Ahmadi graves. PHOTO: SHAMSUL ISLAM

FAISALABAD: A heavy police contingent on Friday, on the demand of a banned organisation, removed Quranic verses and religious texts written on tombstones of Ahmadi graves to save the area from clashes on religious grounds.

An application was moved to the area police of Uncha Mangat claiming Kassoki villagers’ demands of the removal of Quranic verses and religious text from Ahmadi graves in the graveyard on Hafizabad-Sheikhupura Road.

The applicants threatened of religious clashes and bloodshed if this was not done.

The DPO Hafizabad asked the police station in charge to take appropriate steps for averting any untoward incident or clash on religious basis.

The local SHO summoned elders and notables of the Ahmadi community of the village who met him under the supervision of Nasir Javaid, acting Ameer Jamaat Ahmadiyya, Hafizabad.

The SHO, according to Nasir Javaid, asked them to remove religious inscriptions, adding that if they did not do so themselves, the police would take measures for removing them in order to maintain peace and tranquillity in the area.

When they disagreed, says Nasir, the police went on with the operation anyway and forcefully entered the graveyard and whitewashed all religious text from the graves late Friday.

Calling it a positive achievement, the SHO claimed that no case had been filed against the act as it was meant to save the locality from clashes.

Secretary Amoor-e-Aama, Jamaat Ahmadiyya Faisalabad, Syed Mahmood Ahmad Shah, however, criticized the action and said that the persecution of Ahmadis was wrong and may lead to increased hatred between the two communities.

He demanded that the government take appropriate steps to save the Ahmadi community from such “unjustified and cruel acts of other communities”.

There are about 150 Ahmadi graves located in the graveyard while about 35 graves of Muslims are also found there.

Prior to declaring the Ahmadis a minority in 1974, Muslims used to bury their dead in this graveyard. Later, the graveyard was demarcated into two parts for burying Muslims and Ahmadis separately.

Reader Comments (143)

  • nomi
    Aug 18, 2012 - 3:57PM

    At last the Ummah has been saved.

    The tigers of Islam have achieved this despite tremendous opposition from Israel, america and Uganda.

    Recommend

  • suraj
    Aug 18, 2012 - 3:58PM

    Wonderful.. Police taking action on the demand of banned organization.. Never heard of this kind of initiative anywhere..

    Recommend

  • Nasir
    Aug 18, 2012 - 3:59PM

    Outrageous – Pakistan is becoming more pathetic by the day – for the police to listen to a banned organisation and persecute law abiding citizens. May Allah protect all Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan from these state sponsored terrorist mullahs

    Recommend

  • TightBanian
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:01PM

    What are they doing about removing Quranic verses from the brain of the Ahmedi?

    Recommend

  • Yasir Khan
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:01PM

    The use of quranic verses should be banned from all grave yards and shrines, not just the ahmadi ones.

    Recommend

  • Zia ka Baab
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:02PM

    Verses of the holy Quran should be removed from Gen Zia Ul Haqs grave for putting Pakistan in the situation it is today

    Recommend

  • It Is (still) Economy Stupid
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:12PM

    Even the gravestone of only Noble prize winner of Pakistan origin was not spared just because he was Ahmadi.

    Recommend

  • Farooq Jawed
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:16PM

    Islam has been saved now. What nonesense…….people seem to have to much time on their hands. These intolerant bunch, so far unabated, have killed Gov. Taseer….thrown garland at his Killer. They have denied the rightful place of Prominence to Dr Abdul Salam–the only Nobel laureate in the history of Pakistan, and now these acts of sheer madness. What is sad is the lack of protest by Majority of Pakistanis. I am afraid If these intolerant bunch are not reigned in IMMEDIATELY they will go after Shias next and then the rest of the people who dont adhere to their brand of Islam.

    Recommend

  • True Lies
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:31PM

    @Farooq Jawed:
    @suraj:
    @It Is (still) Economy Stupid:
    @Nasir:
    Hey fundamentalists they are not muslims alright they just call themselves. Recommend

  • Sultan Khan
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:34PM

    @Zia ka Baab: My dear brother, it was not Gen Zia but Chief Martial Law Administrator Gen Bhutto who laid the foundation stone of this edifice of hatred by declaring Ahmedies out of the fold of Islam. He did this only to appease the blood-thirsty mullahs otherwise face their music.

    Recommend

  • A2Z
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:41PM

    Ahmedis are not muslims, it’s absolutely clear without any doubt. They should respect state’s law.

    Recommend

  • asad
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:44PM

    I have lost all hope for this nation

    Recommend

  • Umer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:46PM

    Why do so many cases of religious extremists occur in middle Punjab? Can someone explain? Most blasphemy cases are also registered in middle Punjab as per statistics.

    Recommend

  • AnisAqeel
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:49PM

    @True Lies:
    And you or your kind of bunch who decides this!!! Since how long you assumed the duties of Almighty Allah after Ziaul Haq. I thought it’s only Allah who has the power to consider it but now you and your kind are also worthy of worship, right???

    Recommend

  • observer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:50PM

    What next?

    Will the ‘True Believers’ also insist that the severed foreskin be stitched back?

    God forbid.

    Recommend

  • Polpot
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:52PM

    Reminds me of this Taliban story:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    When the taliban came across a clean shaven corpse they promptly delivered 20 lashes to the corpse and then allowed it to be buried.+

    Recommend

  • mateen
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:53PM

    I congratulate Muslim Ummah confined in territories of Land of Pure at this greatest achievement. They must to sure know that savior of faith despite being banned, are yet formidable enough to enforce local authorities implement their whims. Soon they will banish all minority sects and then take on majority sect i.e. Bralvies who are equally detestable by these saviors of faith.

    Recommend

  • Sultan
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:54PM

    @A2Z:
    Right. The ghouls who desecrate graves are the Muslims.

    Recommend

  • claude
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:55PM

    A2Z – State’s law permits threatening a law and order situation if the dictat is not followed.

    Ahmadi’s and other minorities should follow the precedence set by majority.

    There won’t be a muslim who will not go around shouting slogans against law breaking Ahmadis as they cite Gujrat in India as it happened yesterday, even after more than 10 years have gone by.

    This is what distinguishes muslims form other groups.

    Recommend

  • Awans
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:56PM

    @Umer: Because in Pakistan central Punjab have highest population of Christians and Ahmedis and that is why More blasphemy cases are registered there. Chinab Nagar or Rabwah is in Central Punjab which is a small and Organized town of Ahmedis with a population of more than 50,000 and it is Ahmedi dominated region in Central Punjab and also Central Punjab have the highest number of Churches and in many cities like Gujrat etc the population of Christians is 10 percent of the total population and in total more than 5 percent of Central Punjab is Non Muslim. Also if you visit Potohar regions like Kallar Kahar , Dulmial and other nearby villages then Ahmedi populations outpar all others. Christian and Ahmedi conversion now a days is Highest in central Punjab so obviously Sunni majority see it as a major threat there to make a perfect Jinnah’s Pakistan with so many non Muslims around in Central and in Upper Punjab.

    Recommend

  • Sure Kant
    Aug 18, 2012 - 4:58PM

    @A2Z: Was this law created by Allah? Allah must be crying, wherever He is (He is definitely NOT in Pakistan), because he sees one Muslim kill and violate the senses of His other followers, just because his way to reach Allah is different. Can you, as a “true Muslim”, deny with your hands on the Quran that an Ahmedi — or a Christian or a Hindu of a Jew — is also Allah’s creation? Shame on you, Pakistan!

    Recommend

  • Bajwa
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:02PM

    zabardast, this was imperetive to contain the spread of Quranic Verses any further, so pathetic and shameful. I don’t think Mullah know what they do, they are animals.

    Recommend

  • SBohra
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:04PM

    Isn’t it ironic that a the leaders of two communities, shia and ahmadiya who were forefront in creation of pakistan which resulted in millions of human lives lost on both side of the border, are not welcome in their own creation!!
    (QeA Jinnah was a shia who converted to sunni just before/aftrer partition.
    Ahmadis, Zafarullah Khan wrote constitution of paksitan and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad convinced QeA about the idea of pakistani.)

    hindus wants to go back to india, shias should migrate to iran and ahmadi’s they cant go back to kashmir in india nor do are the safe in pakistan!.
    Baloch want their own country and some of the sindhis are also tired of punjabi domination.
    Recommend

  • Max
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:06PM

    What should I say or make of this? Fascism in full swing with state power behind such actions. I am nothing but ashamed.

    Recommend

  • ali
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:10PM

    @A2Z:
    Obeying orders of banned organisation is law?????????People like u are responsible for present state of affairs

    Recommend

  • Aarvey,india
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:11PM

    What is happening to Pakistanis? It’s getting from bad to worse with attacks and bomb blasts almost on a daily basis. Now we have this blatant exhibition of intolerance. Is this also because of Pakistan being into the War on terror ? No its because Pakistan is being eaten alive from inside out. Wonder when the military or government will wake up if at all.

    Recommend

  • khana
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:12PM

    its about time

    Recommend

  • Nasir Mahmood
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:13PM

    To remove the influence of Mullahs in backward areas, Govt adopt a strategy of banning speech in the Juma prayers instead distribute a Khutba to Imams to read to bring tolerance in the nation. Otherwise, after every few months we will see bloodshed on this issue.

    Recommend

  • Supressed, Opressed, Depressed
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:14PM

    Which banned organisation was it? Could anyone name it please?

    Recommend

  • Magus
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:18PM

    @Sultan Khan: Sir, Bhutto was a democrat. There was a huge public demand for declaring ahmedis anti Muslim. He only fulfilled what the people wanted. Check your history.

    Recommend

  • sam
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:20PM

    then we ask why we get tremours and floods.
    This nation has gone way far.
    Its better to be british colony then fundamental mentalsRecommend

  • Talha
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:21PM

    @A2Z:

    Ask yourself, who wants to be a Muslim anyway?

    Recommend

  • LionOfPunjab
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:22PM

    Now, For the ‘communal harmony’ between hindus and muslims and also for ‘protecting’ the hindu girls being forcefully converted and married off to muslims, police should force all the hindu girls to wear burqa!!!
    This is just for maintaining the communal ‘harmony’…..there is no need to go after and eliminate the pious, innocent ‘defenders of faith’ …. while we can have such innovative solutions available for the protection of minorities.

    Recommend

  • True Muslim Paki
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:22PM

    I agree with A2Z. But these law obeying Secular Democratic so called liberals wont want the law to be implemented. More than 50% of Pakistan doesn`t believe Shia/Ahmedis are Muslims & none of the politicial leaders support Ahmedis and their cause. In democracies, the will of majority of the people prevail and so the law must be implemented.

    Recommend

  • Magus
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:24PM

    Is there any other country in the world where the persecution of any minority is so institutionalised? Eg declaration in passport application, demolition of minarets, sealing of houses of worship, exhumation of bodies from graveyards, rubbing out scripture from tombstones. These are just STATE SPONSORED actions, the list would be much longer if you added vigilante initiative. How different is this from persecution of Jews by hitler. Or that did not happen at all?

    Recommend

  • Abdulah
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:29PM

    RIP Mullah Republic of Pakistan, 1947-2013

    Recommend

  • Mahis
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:34PM

    Can anyone tell me who are we to decide if they are Muslims or not? And even if they aren’t, how does that justify how we treat them? Aren’t they humans first? Live and let live, man.
    The banned organization that filed the application is only trying to increase more hate and violence. Whatever happened to the people’s own thinking power? Just let them live their lives as long as they are not interfering in yours.
    It is so surprising people here are openly giving statements that these people are not Muslims as if Allah has given them His power to decide between the right and the wrong person.

    Recommend

  • Mahis
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:36PM

    @A2Z: So I guess you got a revelation from the heavens about judging people’s beliefs like that?

    Recommend

  • sidjeen
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:39PM

    @A2Z
    Go see the taliban bro they dont think you are muslim even though you are probably a supporter cause you use the internet, probably have gone to school and other stuff that they consider unislamic so how would you feel if they threaten violence unless Quranic verses are removed from graves of people like yourself

    Recommend

  • roma
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:42PM

    In Pakistan it is the job of the POLICE to remove quranic verses from cemetries – then the pakistani people can understand that it is the job of the indian POLICE to investigate the love-cheating affair of the pajkistani umpire as alleged by that indian actress !!

    Recommend

  • Ch. Allah Daad
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:45PM

    I agree with Sultan Khan. If Bhutto had not surrendered and accepted the demands of these fanatics, no harm would have come to other minorities too. It was a turning point in our history.

    Recommend

  • Analyst
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:47PM

    @Zia ka Baab:
    It was Bhutto who had declared ahmadis as non Muslims , zia just perfected bhutto’s crime

    Recommend

  • T R Khan
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:49PM

    @True Lies:
    Who is a Muslim and who is not can only be decided by the All Mighty and All Mighty alone. It is a fact that all Ahmadies consider themselves Muslims and recite the Quran at least five times a day. How can one erase or whitewash this recitation. Religion and spirituality are the domain of the heart and cannot be altered by SHOs and banned organizations!

    Recommend

  • Omer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 5:53PM

    @ A2Z and True lies. Who are you or people like Zulifqar Ali Bhutto to judge this? God gave you some powers? You guys are extremists and will be cause of destruction of this country.

    Recommend

  • Waseem
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:00PM

    they should have all rights to practice their way of religious practices as any other citizen of Pakistan. Don’t people in Pakistan have any other things to worry about? employment? law and order? abscence of basic rights to clean water, electricity, gas? health care? Fight against these miseries instead.

    Recommend

  • Amir
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:03PM

    So where are our Pakistani champions of human rights who cried foul to what was happening to minorities in Burma???? Where is the CJ….suo motto please, or is he scared?

    Recommend

  • dr ajmal
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:10PM

    That was something against the law and police has done the right thing, rather been lenient to them for not registering an FIR. They are non muslims and must stop this attention seeking.

    Recommend

  • Khaleeq ahmad
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:17PM

    o opponents, u can only erase The quranic verses from our graves but u r unable to erase the verses which are engraved in our hearts.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:19PM

    @A2Z:
    Ahmedis are not muslims, it’s absolutely clear without any doubt. They should respect state’s law.
    But Germans should not respect their law of freedom of speech?

    Recommend

  • Karachities
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:20PM

    what nonsense, people should respect the law of state and thats it.

    Recommend

  • Umer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:21PM

    It’s Ramzan so anything from Shia killings to grave desecration to abduction of Hindu girls is bound to reap greater rewards.

    Recommend

  • Sabah
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:28PM

    It’s an hypocrite society … And officials are afraid of these so called mullah’s.

    The custodians of Islam and demi Gods on earth…How is this not blasphemy?Recommend

  • Jat
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:34PM

    Barbarians !!
    Recommend

  • Reddy
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:34PM

    should change the head lines to :land of pure getting even more pure

    Recommend

  • Ilyad
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:40PM

    I have never heard Imran Khan, and PTI, ever say anything about such violations of basic human rights, is he going to be the leader for only the muslims of this country?

    Recommend

  • Zia ka Baab
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:48PM

    @A2Z: Let Allah decide who is a muslim and who is NOT. You are a nobody. Please learn what Islam is about and the actions of our holy prophet in this regard , may Allah give you some sense

    Recommend

  • Hasan Bin Hamza
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:48PM

    Islam saved once more! – Part MCMXXXMCIIIIVIV

    Recommend

  • I.H.Bokharee
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:52PM

    “There are about 150 Ahmadi graves located in the graveyard while about 35 graves of Muslims are also found there.”

    the above is a quote taken from the above article. I guess it was w ritten by a muslim….shame on us for being the pillars of a truly peaceful religon with Saudi Dollars…

    Recommend

  • amalgam
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:56PM

    those who found pakistan shia + ahmedi are being persecuted in that very same land . ENJOY guys for what you did half century ago.

    Recommend

  • Sickened
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:59PM

    Ok, so one minority group wants to write Quranic verses on their gravestones, and another group (which is banned!!!) asks the Police to erase them, and they go ahead and do this, under protection of the Law??????

    So I wonder who is the Muslim, and who is the non-Muslim based on their actions?

    PS: Isn’t defacing Quranic verses blasphemy against Allah’s Holy Book? So why not file a Blasphemy case against the police and DPO????

    Recommend

  • nitish
    Aug 18, 2012 - 6:59PM

    Its high time GOI should announce asylum to all pak hindus.Once they r out,i know this country will cease to exist.Also we need more hindutva force looking at upcoming threats.So it will solve all our purpose.

    Recommend

  • Babar
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:00PM

    Ahmadies will also migrate to India, following the Pakistani Hindus. Shias will soon follow, eventually making Pakistan a Wahabi majority country and Chief Justice Iftikhar Chawdhary will become the Ameer-ul-Momeneen.

    Recommend

  • nomi
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:03PM

    @ Umer

    Cousin marriages.

    Recommend

  • nomi
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:06PM

    The thing I keep saying is that this is not the 90s where muslims think their actions are not noticed.

    Imagine the propaganda value of this news for anti islam forces.

    Muslims do not even give rights of non- muslims to their minorities, but demand equal rights abroad.

    Who will make them understand. I have seen more educated people having absolute contempt for Ahmedis.

    Recommend

  • kaalchakra
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:09PM

    The single pet issue of the anti-Pakistan crowd – no wonder it is filled with the same old meaningless comments everytime.

    TR Khan

    If it was for Allah to decide who a Muslim was and a who a kaffir was, would Allah expect us humans to make that distinction in His book?

    Recommend

  • Noise
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:15PM

    This is disgusting. Im ashamed to be a Pakistani. Im ashamed to live in a country with such unjust and stupid laws. Im ashamed to live among a nation which supports such bigotry,

    Recommend

  • Afzal A. Neseem
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:18PM

    Can Pakistan survive this continuous barbarity, unmitigated tyrrany and persecution of the minorities?

    Recommend

  • londonistani
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:25PM

    when will ahmadis stop instigating trouble, and peacefully follow the law, and stop masquerading as muslims.

    Recommend

  • 1984
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:39PM

    @True Lies:
    Then why dont you come forward and defend the Ahmadis from these kinds of people???

    Why is that the violent muslims are given free hand by the so called “tolerant” muslims???
    Why dont they raise voices like Christians and Hindus do to their counterparts???

    Recommend

  • Haji Rafiq A. Tschannen
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:46PM

    Are they not afraid of Allah’s punishment (for removing quranic verses?). The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at is distributing Quranic verses all over the world and you remove them. Allah will be the judge and will distribute rewards and punishment, Inshallah.

    Recommend

  • Ejaaz
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:49PM

    Wah Pakistan Wah…tuaddi kee gal hai puttar…tusi to saare expectations paaar kaar ditta…

    Bomb blasts, muslims killing muslims, and now this…if not for the three decade war in afghanistan, they would have been a much better lot I guess…

    Bas AllahTaala tum logo ko samajh ataa karen…we too have a lot of such kind.as was witnessed in the mumbai arson attack but many many religious scholars and community leaders denounced it….Indonesia had one big terror attack and that guy is on death row now…im not saying India is a white dove, but then things are slowly getting better….

    whereas pakistan which started off much richer than any subcontinental country (and was still so until the mid 80s looking at ur per capita GDP until the early nineties) has gone downhill ever since and seems to be mired into an abyss like quicksand it seems..Recommend

  • Aqm Tipu
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:50PM

    “The applicants threatened of religious clashes and bloodshed if this was not done.” This is ‘true‘ Islam, isn’t it ?

    What a pathetic and disgusting act !

    Recommend

  • Jihad Bil-Qalam
    Aug 18, 2012 - 7:51PM

    @Awans:
    You have tried to explain the high blasphemy frequency in central Punjab in terms of the presence of its non-Muslim population. I have to respectfully differ with this thesis. The Hindu population in Sindh is at least equally sizeable but we do not hear that many blasphemy cases over there. The blasphemy in central Punjab is reflective of a mindset and not statistics.

    Recommend

  • Umer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:04PM

    @Awans:
    I think it’s more to do with the mind set of this area than anything else. I tell you another thing, all those stories about Pakistan most such queries are from Lahore, according to Google Trends, not from any other city in Pakistan. I have a feeling some people living in those areas are just crude and backwards and lack any human development, even though they live in places like Lahore presumably considered to be cities.Recommend

  • Prasad Babu
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:05PM

    Oh my god, Pakistani Muslims are extremely insecure with their religion, aren’t they?

    Recommend

  • Umer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:06PM

    @Karachities:

    what nonsense, people should respect the law of state and thats it.

    Why are Palestinians not respecting the laws of state of Israel? You do condemn that too do you?

    Recommend

  • True Lies
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:06PM

    @AnisAqeel @T R Khan:
    First of all you guys gotta get your facts straight and read the Quran before blasting out. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the last Prophet and no other Prophet after Him. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is an imposter and Ahmadis consider him the last Prophet so they do not believe in Finality of Prophethood so that does not make them MUSLIMS.

    And dont worship me, Worship ALLAH and plz spare Zia Ul Haq the guy is dead for 24 years now.Recommend

  • Enlightened
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:07PM

    All the police personnel involved who are patting themselves for this brave act should be awarded with police medals. Pakistan Zindabad.

    Recommend

  • Sultan
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:12PM

    @Magus:
    Loved democracy so much he became a martial law administrator.

    Recommend

  • Babloo
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:17PM

    In any other country, this news would not be believed and would be considered a joke.
    But reality in Pakistan is worse than the worst tragedy.

    Recommend

  • Umer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:18PM

    @kaalchakra:

    If it was for Allah to decide who a Muslim was and a who a kaffir was, would Allah expect us humans to make that distinction in His book?

    Which book? There are several. Which sect? There are several, calling each other kafir and then following the same books. See the point?

    Recommend

  • agnostic
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:21PM

    @A2Z: “Ahmedis are not muslims, it’s absolutely clear without any doubt.”

    Any one can quote from Bible, Gita and other holy scriptures even if they do not belong to that religion. Why can’t Ahmadis quote the Quran even if you consider them non-muslims?

    Recommend

  • Naeem Rana
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:32PM

    I reviewed few hateful comments of some friends above, A small question to them: Do you call Muhammad (pbuh) and Quaran Guidance/A book of Hidayat for all humality or olnly for Muslims?? if answar is in Yes than shame on you all who claim to be Muslim and preach hatered and remove verses of Quran from anywhere ?? Think on it

    Recommend

  • kaalchakra
    Aug 18, 2012 - 8:54PM

    Umer

    Brother, you and I know there is only ONE book. And in that blessing of mankind He clearly warns us that many people CLAIM to follow the ONE book before other Muslims but actually don’t at all – they merely hide their false beliefs. These people don’t become Muslim just by claiming to follow the Book. Let;s face it – Pakistani is a nation for Muslims, not for those who merely claim to be Muslims but are not.

    Recommend

  • Awans
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:04PM

    @Jihad Bil-Qalam: Well i agree with you. The point is that Punjab is the most intolerant like KPK. And I agree that Sindhis of Internal Sindh have a big heart in this case than people of Punjab. Sindh dont have much Ahmedi and Christian population compared to central Punjab but they are very tolerant to HIndus compared to any other in Pakistan

    Recommend

  • Aug 18, 2012 - 9:06PM

    Now Police is fulfilling the demands of BANNED ORGANISATION, and losing their own faith. That’s shameful.

    Recommend

  • A2Z
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:07PM

    All those who are against my view, its not a view but a fact. Qadiani movement started before the existence of Pakistan and ghulam ahmad mirza was declared non Muslim.
    Of course I don’t have any right to declare anybody a kafir but it’s the duty of the Islamic scholars to come up with decision in such circumstances. Those who are labeling religion as personal matter and supporting the view that it should be left to Allah and the person himself, unfortunately it cannot happen that way. Otherwise every other day someone will come up with an announcement that he is prophet(Naozobillah) of Allah. So it’s the duty of scholars to intervene in such situations and the Islamic scholars of that time also did the same. There are no ifs and buts in this matter whether you like it or not.Recommend

  • Romeo
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:08PM

    @Nasir:
    What outrageous, how can you term these as outrageous. Police have done a commendable job, they should be appreciated and eulogized. The so called Ahmadi’s dont follow the commandment of Almighty Allah and our beloved Prophet (PBUH). The Ahmadi’s have been declared non-muslims not only in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia but also in Mauritious, South Africa and the whole of Middle East. Hence, these Ahmadi’s do not have the right to display Quranic verses and religious text on the tombstones of the their graves. The same thing applies for other non-muslim communities living in Pakistan and elsewhere. Also, these Ahmadi’s should not call their place of worship as ”Masjid” and construct their place of worship look like a ”Masjid” they should follow what their leaders have written in their text book to avoid confrontation and blood shed with muslim community. These Ahmadi community should follow ”live and let live” policy.

    Recommend

  • Romeo
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:12PM

    @Khaleeq ahmad:
    Seek pardon from Almighty Allah and say Astagfir until Almighty Allah pardons your sin. Follow the sayings of our beloved Prophet (PBUH)

    Recommend

  • Umer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:33PM

    @kaalchakra:

    These people don’t become Muslim just by claiming to follow the Book.

    I know. All sects following the ‘ONE’ book are calling each other kafir, and also those Shia killings the other day prove that too.

    Recommend

  • kaalchakra
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:44PM

    Umer

    If what I say now offends you, please forgive me. My intention is not to offend a brother.

    Muslims have ALWAYS fought amongst themselves – with words and swords – and will ALWAYS do so.Recommend

  • Gen zia ul Haq ka bab
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:55PM

    @londonistani: Please go home and live in Pakistan, you are not wanted in civilisation. The only reason you are here is to claim benefits while you blame the west for all your woes….Recommend

  • Enlightened
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:56PM

    Those who kill the innocents in the name of God or obstruct others in performing rituals according to their faiths are the worst sinners who would never be forgiven by HIM, would suffer on this earth and even after their lives in hell.

    Recommend

  • Aug 18, 2012 - 9:56PM

    SO
    These Banned Organisation can not see Kalima.

    Kalima kay Dushman Mullah.

    Shame

    Recommend

  • elementary
    Aug 18, 2012 - 9:57PM

    @Karachities: “what nonsense, people should respect the law of state and thats it”.

    State should not have inane ,inhuman laws then.

    Recommend

  • Rabia
    Aug 18, 2012 - 10:09PM

    sickened to the heart

    Recommend

  • hamid
    Aug 18, 2012 - 10:17PM

    @Awans:
    you hv given a totally wrong information and falsehoods. In Punjab minority population is not more than 2%. In Sindh there r large number of Hindues and in Tharparker they r more than 50%. In Sindh hindues run businesses but blasphemy cases never occured, thorugh hindues have been terrorized. In Punjab blasphemy is a political drama staged by religious outfits to promote their political designs.Recommend

  • RS
    Aug 18, 2012 - 10:41PM

    Ones faith/religious believes are scrat between him/her n his/her creator, who are we to impose or even state to regulate this? If (for some reason) we are being asked or told to follow Saudi Arabia Islam (Wahibism) than first State needs to demolish all/any shrines in Pakistan, ban movies, family pictures, music etc etc later ask nation if they want to follow this Islam – make no mistake State will cease to exits. For Allah sake try not to loose sanity n let /leave ones faith matter between him/her n Allah. Fear from Allah’s Azab, we are not God’s nor we are the Judges on this earth for such matters.

    Recommend

  • Farooq Jawed
    Aug 18, 2012 - 10:42PM

    @True Muslim Paki:
    So what would you say if tomorrow majority passes the resolution that says we dont want to pray five times a week and we dont want Islamic Republic but just republic? By your logic it must be implemended.
    All religions are based on faith. There is no proof of any HELL or HEAVEN. But we believe in one and so do the Jews, Christians, Ahmedis, Shia and many others. Why is it that Your belief is right over all others? Please, dont invoke emotions and think about it logically and you will find the absurdy of discriminating against people because they have faith in something different. Nobody has monoply on Quran. It is a Book of Knowledge available to all humanity.

    Recommend

  • DevilHunterX
    Aug 18, 2012 - 10:52PM

    @Magus:
    Bhutto was a socialist. And he sowed the seed of hatred. Jeay Bhutto!

    Recommend

  • Observer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:09PM

    @TightBanian:

    “What are they doing about removing Quranic verses from the brain of the Ahmedi? “

    Interesting question but the answer is a very sad one. They are killing off the Ahmedis one by one.

    Recommend

  • Mariah
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:15PM

    I stand for the fundamental rights of all the minorities that exist in Pakistan. But what I dont understand is the HYPERSENSITIVITY of ET towards this specific issue. The law asks these people that they cannot act or behave like Muslims, by declaring them as non-Muslims. But I have never seen any ET article, post, or videoblog mentioning that this declaration of Ahmedis as non-Muslims was not unilateral. It was clearly asked by the then Khalifa of the Ahmaddiya community,Mirza Nasir that what do they think of Non-Ahmedi Muslims, during the NA session. He clearly replied that they consider them as NON-MUSLIMS. This conversation is on record.

    Recommend

  • Pro Bono Publico
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:17PM

    @A2Z:
    Qadianis have their own prophet MGA Qadiani. Why do they want to encroach upon Islam. They can live in peace by identifying themselves as believers in this false prophet.

    Recommend

  • Observer
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:22PM

    @Jihad Bil-Qalam:

    “You have tried to explain the high blasphemy frequency in central Punjab in terms of the presence of its non-Muslim population. I have to respectfully differ with this thesis. The Hindu population in Sindh is at least equally sizeable but we do not hear that many blasphemy cases over there. The blasphemy in central Punjab is reflective of a mindset and not statistics.”

    That is because Hindus don’t claim to be muslims. But to make up for lack of blasphemy charges, the Hindu girls in Sindh are abducted, raped and converted to Islam on a regular basis.

    Recommend

  • Pro Bono Publico
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:25PM

    @A2Z:
    Qadianis have to decide: either it is belief in the false prophet or the true Prophet of Allah, Muhammad (salla Allahu alayhi wa Sallam).
    MGA Qadiani was a fake. Qadianis have built a parallel organization to Islam — a direct challenge. They habe the fake MGA Qadiani as prophet” followed by “khalifa” and even have “sahaba”.Recommend

  • Raj - USA
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:36PM

    @Nasir:
    “May Allah protect all Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan from these state sponsored terrorist mullahs”

    *Nothing is done by the Mullas themselves. The Mullas do it to gain popularity from the population. It is the population (with some rare exception) that supports this. Has even one group or political party opposed it and brought out a demonstration against the mullas. No and no one will do it as most in Pakistan support and encourage these practices and culture. Where is IK, CJ and all other political parties. It is possible to form so many commissions even on OBL in such a record time but not for these instances. Parliament, Assembly can pass legislation in record time but will not care to discuss this. So, it is not the mullas who are to be blamed. They are only following the wishes and thinking of the population and also to please the population. No one buys Mulla theory now. *

    Recommend

  • Raj - USA
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:46PM

    @Awans:
    @Umer:
    I think that the reason for more of such cases in Punjab is because Punjab lacks distinct cultural identification. Most there would like to align themselves with Arabs but Arabs do not think they have anything in common with those in Punjab. To them they are just another converts. So, Punjabis want to prove that they are more of a muslim than others and indulge in these activities.

    Recommend

  • Raj - USA
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:54PM

    @Karachities:
    “what nonsense, people should respect the law of state and thats it.”

    Not correct. Laws should be made for the good of the people.

    Barbaric laws are for Barbarians only.

    Recommend

  • Alm757
    Aug 18, 2012 - 11:58PM

    Musims must learn lesson from Christians in Spain that once Christians got Majority in Spain they did not distoy the Muslim Mosques and even did not touch the Quranic verses inscribed on the walls. Thousands of people travelled and see how the government preserved these historicle places.
    Shame to so called Muslims in Pakistan what they are doing, thay should learned from Hazrat Ali (ra) when he refused to removes the Kalema from the letter he was dictating by Prophet Muhammad (swa).
    Allah is watching what you are doing.
    May Allah give wisdoms to Muslims nation.

    Recommend

  • SH
    Aug 19, 2012 - 12:01AM

    What utter rubbish. Instead of taking action against a “banned organization” who threaten bloodshed and violence, our police take the easy way out and further torment an already subjugated peaceful community. And the SHO has the gall to say it’s a positive achievement to have averted a clash. Bravo sir, how valiant you are. puke Religion is a personal thing, if only people would be less intrusive into the lives of others and just go about trying to be good muslims in the real sense, rather than the crazy psychotic dramatic way that seems hip now.

    Recommend

  • kaalchakra
    Aug 19, 2012 - 12:36AM

    The reason a great of nonsense continues and is still tolerated in rural sindh is because of ignorance and illiteracy. Few people there have the ability to read and understand the Holy Quran on their own. As people become more and more educated, they are more likely to demand true and proper Islam (liberal fear/hatred of Islam notwithstanding).

    Recommend

  • Iron hand
    Aug 19, 2012 - 1:18AM

    @True Muslim Paki: you dont know anything about democracy. Ever hear of the concept “tyranny of the majority?” In modern democracies, the protection of minority rights takes precedence, even over the wishes of a majority of the people.

    Recommend

  • Hammad
    Aug 19, 2012 - 1:34AM

    indians have nothing better to do they just come here n comment on our news n the agenda they r following is ”declare Pakistan a failed state” ON internet, what u dont know is u indians with break into 7 small countries and we will exist till the day of judgement !

    Recommend

  • Mr X from Bombay
    Aug 19, 2012 - 1:36AM

    Congratulations Zia. Finally Pakistan is what you dream it to be.

    Recommend

  • Iqbal
    Aug 19, 2012 - 1:39AM

    @A2Z:
    Martin Niemöller once said:

    “In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

    In no distant future they will come after you and you will have no one to defend you because all the persecuted people would have left this country. For once, think and stop behaving like a bearded illiterate mullah.

    Recommend

  • Mr X from Bombay
    Aug 19, 2012 - 1:40AM

    @Karachities:
    “what nonsense, people should respect the law of state and thats it.”
    Your law also states not to kill each other. But you guys quite as per your convenience ignore it.

    Recommend

  • Aug 19, 2012 - 3:28AM

    Incredible. Extremists from a banned organization, in any other civilized country would have had their application rejected, can instead threaten violence and prompt the police to – instead of arresting them for threats – harass, abuse and persecute the minorities on their behalf.

    Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Aug 19, 2012 - 3:49AM

    How to stop Ahmadis from reciting Holy Quran in their hearts ?

    Recommend

  • Saira Niz
    Aug 19, 2012 - 3:49AM

    The Police and the general public, all in agreement with the desecration of the Ahmadi grave should know they are not pleasing God rather the devil in the name of Zia ul Haq who made up blasphemy laws a.k.a. Ordinance XX. I would ask those who claim to be righteous: Does Islam teach such bigotry?

    Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 19, 2012 - 3:53AM

    Isn’t the destruction of Quranic verses tantamount to blasphemy? Or is that an acceptable degree of blasphemy?

    Anyone else truly ashamed to be Pakistani?Recommend

  • Jihad Bil-Qalam
    Aug 19, 2012 - 3:54AM

    @Observer:
    Today, an 11 years old Christian girl is accused of blasphemy in Pakistan. Christians are neither Muslim nor claim to be. So, then according to your arguement, they cannot be charged with blasphemy. However, in Pakistan non Muslims are being charged with blasphemy, even though it should be their constitutional right. If people truly believed that Ahmadis are not Muslim, they would not be charging them for blasphemy. Only Muslims should be charged with blasphemy.

    Recommend

  • T R Khan
    Aug 19, 2012 - 5:38AM

    @True Lies:
    What about the second coming of Jesus (as)? Will not he be the last guide and beacon for the Muslim ummah?

    Recommend

  • Vikram
    Aug 19, 2012 - 5:52AM

    @TightBanian: Electric shock can erase that. I hope Mullahs don’t go for that.

    Recommend

  • Allaisa
    Aug 19, 2012 - 5:53AM

    Isn’t whitewashing quranic verses tantamount to blasphemy? I say death to all the policemen!

    Recommend

  • SS1122
    Aug 19, 2012 - 5:59AM

    A2Z..this is absolutely ridiculous…god would never want us two remove Quranic verses from graves that is pathetic..you are inhuman to agree with this inappropriate behavior…half the things are made up and people just need a reason to over react..how dare disrespectful police men go to the graves of the dead and paint over the Quranic verses..how dare they..this shows that you are not respectful towards other muslims and Alllah would want us two interact well with others and you are supporting the actions which God would not want us fellow muslims to support..

    Recommend

  • salman
    Aug 19, 2012 - 7:35AM

    what non sense is this, this is a non issue, i dont even understand why they are reporting this.

    Recommend

  • Gen zia ul Haq ka bab
    Aug 19, 2012 - 8:11AM

    @A2Z: What scholars are you talking about?,the same ones that promote suicide bombings and the same ones that say girls should not be given an education. Or maybe Sami the sandwich, or maybe maulana Diesel ? , or maybe the mallahs that called Pakistan kafirs tan? Oops you must mean our alim that lied about his degree and uses vulgar language while he thinks he is not being filmed?
    Again I say to you fear Allah and let Allah decide for he is the best of judges

    Recommend

  • Mirza
    Aug 19, 2012 - 9:55AM

    If a minority persoon defaces the Quranic teachings then what would be the punishment of this blasphamy? You can deface the verses from the stones but cannot take them out of their hearts. Is this the same land for which Ram Muhammad Singh Azadi has sacrificed his life while fighting against British rule?

    Recommend

  • Ahmadi
    Aug 19, 2012 - 1:58PM

    @A2Z:
    I dont believe those scholars were muslims – the way they behave is like atheists

    Recommend

  • Rana Tayyeb
    Aug 19, 2012 - 4:05PM

    Is Quran only book for Muslims or for Human being. Is Muhammad PBUH is the prophet for MUSLIMS or for whole Human being ? Is GOD only for Muslims or for everybody ? references please..

    Recommend

  • malik saeed uddin
    Aug 19, 2012 - 6:22PM

    LOVE FOR ALL
    HATRED FOR NONE
    you can’t remove these Quranic verses from our hearts………..

    Recommend

  • Khalid
    Aug 19, 2012 - 7:31PM

    Oh God bring an end to all cruelties. Oh God save all innocent people from high handed officials who are incapable to fulfill their obligations towards protecting the smaller segments of society. Oh God save mankind from the worst evil on the face of earth.

    Recommend

  • Aug 19, 2012 - 9:05PM

    Friends, a person doesn’t have the right to declare anyone as non Muslim. Ahmadis believe in Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last Prophet, there is just a great misconception and misinterpreted writings about Ahmadis which needs to be cleared. Ahmadies call themselves Muslims because they are Muslims…if u don’t consider them a Muslim..u have no right to force them not to be a Muslim.

    Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 19, 2012 - 9:39PM

    @ Pro Bono Publico

    By your logic, Muslims have their own prophet, why do they have to encroach on Christianity and Judaism by appropriating Jesus, Moses etc? I personally don’t believe in any religions, so i see thinking like yours for what it is… naked intolerance – especially from the religion that demands tolerance (occasionally through threats of violence and lawlessness) when they are in the minority.Recommend

  • Gen zia ul Haq ka bab
    Aug 19, 2012 - 9:50PM

    @Romeo: Romeo you are a non Muslim, you worship graves and saints . You people are considered non Muslims in Saudi. Go to Mecca and watch how the Saudi religious police treat you when they find out you are from the land of the pure. The simple fact is only Allah knows what is in someones heart ,so let him alone decide, I find it disturbing that you support a banned organisation. Inshallah you will one day understand Islam and follow the way of our prophet rather then terrorists

    Recommend

  • Ahmadi
    Aug 20, 2012 - 6:20AM

    Why do Pakistanis call this act democracy? Once the Mullahs lose their power in Pakistan, these atrocities will stop. They are a disease to a country which once had a future.Recommend

  • Im
    Aug 20, 2012 - 6:56AM

    If a Non-Muslim writes Quranic ayats on his grave, would you erase it? Why? Anyone??

    Recommend

  • Anisa
    Aug 20, 2012 - 8:50AM

    what a respect of “law” in the “lawless state”.

    Recommend

  • Aug 20, 2012 - 3:45PM

    What a shame? Victory of terrorists and defeat of Civil Society in Pakistan.

    Recommend

  • kurtaphadke
    Aug 22, 2012 - 6:08AM

    Pkaistani Police cannot protect life and property of people how can the protect anything at all when the are a miserable failure in their primary duties. Shame on them.

    Recommend

  • saccha baba
    Aug 22, 2012 - 8:08PM

    Sheam of this

    Recommend

  • Usman Sakhi
    Aug 23, 2012 - 10:15PM

    “Best amongst you is he who learnt quran” Quran never praised the men who wiped out its versus….. Aren’t they acting like Abu Jahal?????

    Recommend

  • Shakeel
    Aug 25, 2012 - 10:28AM

    Why the Father of the deceased Ahmedi (who’s grave shown above) is titled as ‘Sahabi’- Just because he saw Mirza Tahir and decalred him a ‘Prophet’ ( God Forbid) – so the contnetion is from which end ??
    all liberals are welcome t ocomment and reply

    Recommend

More in Punjab