Anti-Ahmedi laws: Police act as worship place ‘looks like a mosque’
Policemen scratched out Quranic verses written on the walls of an Ahmedi place of worship and ordered them to cover up short minarets at the entrance as they made the place look like a mosque, The Express Tribune has learnt.
After receiving a complaint about the place of worship in Sultanpura, Kachhupura, a large contingent of Misri Shah police visited it on Wednesday and told the Ahmedis they had a day to make the place look less like a mosque, failing which a case would be registered against them under the ‘Anti-lslamic Activities of Qadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance’ of 1984.
The policemen etched out the verses at the main gate and entrance to the main hall. They were about to tear down the minarets, about five feet high, at the main gate too, but local Ahmedis convinced them to give them a day to cover them as demolishing them would have damaged the whole structure.
An Ahmedi familiar with the matter said that for several days, “irrelevant people” had been instigating non-Ahmedis in the area to complain about the place of worship. He said that they had applied to the local police for the registration of an FIR. He said that the deputy superintendent of police (DSP) concerned had met both sides on Tuesday and they had reached a compromise whereby no case would be registered provided the verses and minarets were removed.
He said that the worship house had been open since 1960 in the same form.
He said there were around 35 Ahmedi families in the area and they had offered no resistance to the police action.
He said that the police arrived at the place on Wednesday, cordoned it off and removed the verses by scratching them off the walls. He said that they had told the police that they would cover up the minarets using tiles to hide their shape.
On Thursday, they told the police they would try to cover the minarets with iron sheeting. Investigation Officer Khalid said that they had pledged to do so overnight.
Misri Shah Station Houser Officer (SHO) Mudassarullah Khan told The Express Tribune that the matter had been resolved amicably. He said no FIR had been registered and there had been no protest by anyone. He said the verses had been removed with the consent of both parties.
The SHO identified the complainants as Rana Muhammad Tufail and Advocate M Badar Alim Sheikh. He said that they had sought a case under Sections 295-B and 298-C of the Pakistan Penal Code.
The complainants, who are residents of Ravi Road, about 15 kilometres from the place of worship, said that the building had the Kalma Tayyeba, names of Allah and prayer verses written at the entrance as well as minarets. “They are non-Muslims and should be tried under the law for depicting themselves as Muslims,” read the complaint.
According to 295-B, “whoever wilfully defiles, damages or desecrates a copy of the Holy Quran or of an extract therefrom or uses it in any derogatory manner or for any unlawful purpose shall be punishable with imprisonment for life.”
According to 298-C, “any person of the Qadiani Group or the Lahori Group (who call themselves ‘Ahmedis’ or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”
Published in The Express Tribune, May 4th, 2012.
COMMENTS (234)
Comments are moderated and generally will be posted if they are on-topic and not abusive.
For more information, please see our Comments FAQ
Its really sad what is being done in the name of our beautiful religion Islam. May Allah guide the ignorant towards true purposes if religion and the mosque to create peace and harmony and the duty of police in a civilized society is make sure such people and places are protected. Its really very sad!! May Allah grant enough courage and patience to members of the community and May Allah wake all those people who are sleeping even when such grave injustice is happening in front of them. Aameen!!
after facing so much hatred still we believe in "love for all hatred for none" this is what the real islamic teachings are !!!! only allah knows who is better in taqwa ,no body in this world has right to decide and tag ....
For me ,tolerance mercy and forgiveness are a part of what makes Islam so great and to me all these intolerable and dastardly acts against minorities are shamefuil.More Sunnis need to raise their voices against injustice. Jamil Lone. New York
it reminds me the following Khutba of Khalifa Rabbeh ,May Allah rest his souls in the heavens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfDGUb-9V18
For how long will we allow our incapable leaders, politicians to play with the fate of innocent Pakistani Ahmadis.
@fahad yousaf: Dear Fahad, I agree that their is nothing more than Law, and everyone should follow the Law. But I believe for Islam, the Law is made by the Almighty Allah and is taught by Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) - Peace of Allah be upon him. And it says "Everyone is Muslim who believe in Kalima Tayyaba", so when any Ahmadi is believing in Kalima Tayyaba, and placing the respectful Kalima on the walls of their Mosues, than it means he has firm beleive on it. Therefore, no wordly law who is inferior than Law of Allah, should stop it.
@Nasir Well if you live in Pakistan u need to Follow constitution of the Country. people are always crying for exceptions. but there is no point of argument we have to follow the law. Please wait till people like you can change the law and constitution of the country. till then behave like a law abiding citizen of the country and promote its compliance.
@Kaalchakra:
"if these ‘Muslims’ used the garb of islam to spread a completely different religion to both Muslims and non-Muslims. ... Suppose you were absolutely sure that Ahmadis were trying to do that, would you still welcome them as “Muslims’?"
I wonder why anyone would need to do that. Eventually they have to tell the new entrants what they really are. Do you think that the educated people, as they have the highest number of highly educated people in their community, cannot see what they really are and they have been defrauded. Who could stop them leaving and denouncing Ahmediyat.
A long time ago, about 20 years, I listened the Friday Sermon of Dr. Israr Ahmad in Masjid-Dar-Us-Salam, in the Lawrence Garden. By chance it was about Ahmediyat and the main points (which really surprised me) I can recall were:
A. They supported Quaid-e-Azam and the demand of Pakistan.
B. Ahmedis services by the likes of Sir Zafarullah Khan, the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan, for the Muslim world (Palestine and Kashmir) were significant.
C. Mirza sahib also did some service to Muslims by challenging and debating with the aggressive Christian Missionaries and the leaders of extremist Arya-Samaj Hindu movement and defeated them.
D. Mirza sahib's claim of being Messiah and hence a prophet is false.
E. If Ahmedis disassociate themselves from Mirza sahib, they present Islam in a realistic way.
His sermon, I felt, was a combination of moral courage and contradiction that left me wondering for some time.
If an Islamic verse is written on a church in the west, will it be blasphamy? I think the Muslims all over the world will be proud of this and will be telling every one that a verse has been found written on one of the churches in UK or USA.
We should also see the other side of the story:
http://urdu.ahmedi.org/archives/904
Let Allah decide who is a muslim and who is not - this is a shameful act by the authorities. pakistan needs to adopt love for All hatred for none
These so called Muslims, are scraching Quran from mosque and pastor Tery Jones is burning Quran.I cannot see any difference between them both are doing the same. Its time to think.
Gift of free judiciary and a democratic government.
This is horrendous ... Ahmadi's are equal citizens and should have the right to live and practice their religion freely in their motherland. Whether we consider them representing green or white part of flag .. they are equal Pakistani. They should be allowed to design mosques the way they like. This article of constitution which restrict them calling themselves Muslims and Even saying Salam, is highly un Islamic and against basic human rights.
Shameful and pathetic - another day typical day in the land of the mullah
Live & let live . There are more important & delicate matters to be taken care of . However masri shah where this incident happened one or two murders is a routine over car parking issue or over an abuse . Tolerance is lacking in Pakistani society which could be revived , HOW? , it couldn't be answered . Let the time take its course .
I dont get this so does this law say that only muslims can right quranic verses on the walls of their holy building and then if they see it written somewhere else they can scrape it off. Just madness. The whole point of what the verses actually mean is forgotten. If I was muslim I would love to see the verses being given so much importance and being used to display the beauty of islam.
Pakistan is heading in a downward spiral and the so called educated are the ones who are leading it to that point. The right wing idiots will do what they have to but the educated pretend to be modern but all they believe is in the law of the jungle where the majority suppresses the minority till they either leave or accept the views of the majority even if it is completely senseless. Shame on the people who simply hide behind senseless laws such as the blasphemy law and laws agains ahmedis. Banana republic indeed.;
Jehangir@ where is prohibition for Ahmadis to write or recite kalimah Tayyiba, it is not property of state or any so called religious scholar. Ahmadis are Muslims according all the definitions taught from time to time, by the holy Prophet pbuh. The state as well as molvis have no authority to declare any one to be non muslim, Article 20 of the constitution is relevant in this regard which is reproduced below, Article 20. 1. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. Subject to law, public order and morality (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion, and (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions. Ordinance XX of 1984 was brain child of the worst usurper Ziaul Haq, for which he had no constitutional authority to promulgate. This dictator had sown poisonous seeds of hatred and bigotry and the country is heading towards anarchy and destruction, after Ahmadis Shia muslims are being persecuted with impunity.
@Jehangir: * a non muslim using muslim symbols in thier worship place is obviously something sinister.*
Who gave you the right to declare someone Muslim or non-Muslim? Do you have any examples from the life of the Prophet (SAW) where he stopped any one from reciting or exhibiting Kalima?
It is far more sinister to judge people and stop them from practicing religion. No wonder how screwed up the state of Islam in Pakistan is. Coming down to Muslims killing Muslims in suicide bombing!!!
My head hangs with shame. The Police instead of prohibiting people from such acts indulging in defiling Quranic Verses and demolishing the dome or minaret of mosque? Did Mr. Jinnah in collaboration with Sir Zafaullah Khan Khan ( An Ahmadi) and Sir Agha Khan ( Imam of Seveners) struggled for this kind of Pakistan.
@A2Z: There is nothing in Martial Law Ordinance XX about the architecture allowed to Ahmadis
Well writing kalima or quranic verses on Qadiani place of worship is impermissible because it hurts muslims' religious semtiments becoz the scholars and the state have declared Qadianis as non muslims so a non muslim using muslim symbols in thier worship place is obviously something sinister.
despite of all the disputes going on between the sects, they should at least respect the holy verses of the Holy Qur'an.Yes. It was the same "Code of life" which was supposed to be the "Code of state issues".But they don't know that they are blindly refusing their code of life. They are encouraging hatred for the thing, they show their utmost boundries of love. Alas and much sorrow for this nation, which is blindly refusing the truth of its own cause of existence.
@Ali: So, In Pakistan laws are for only minority groups. No laws for Mullah & Terrorist who are damaging image of Pakistan
Signs of fascism in Pakistan. Good luck!
quid-e-azam said " all peoples in pakistan have the religious freedom". do you think in pakistan all peoples have religious freedom?????
@usman:
shame on you fahad yousaf. pathetic move by the police. everyone should have a fair chance to practice their religion in peace religion in peace
Then let them practice their OWN religion. Dont try to say they are MUSLIMS. Because then that makes it personal. We wont interfere with you, if you dont interfere with US.
Likely Headlines a couple of year hence-
Islamabad- 5th May,2014. Police have arrested some non-Muslims on the charge of trying to look like Muslims. The Inspector said that these people had Two Legs, Two Hands, One Head and a Beard. It is obvious that these non-Muslims were trying to impersonate Muslims for nefarious purposes.
What kind of Islam these policemen are spreading in front of non muslims?
it is very shameful act, who are we to say anything about someones faith. Being a Muslim it is very disgusting what message we are sending to the world. It is very shameful act. I feel very sorry.
What a joke? I feel normal when I heard such NEWS, as these are the last nails in the coffin of ................................. , you guys know well.
Element of surprise is that the local non-Ahmadies have no object on it.But a couple of irrelevant (i don't have words to describe them) are demanding the abolishment. They live 15 kilometers away from the said building, don't they have other things to care for.They should search in their own mohallah or society that how many children are learning Quran, how many people go to mosques to offer prayers. But, today, abolishing other sects or religions is much more necessary rather propagating one's own religion or practising it.
I can only pray to Almighty for the sack of my religion and my people. may Almighty keep us blessed (amen)
So basically, unemployment, poverty and violence in Pakistani society do not hurt the feelings of these so called muslims but a few inscriptions on a mosque do apparently. Such is the level of Hypocrisy in our society today.
Oh.... can even they think that Allah Almighty is happy with their act of removing kalma? Should people of Pakistan and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or PM gift them a special prize because they have saved Islam? Why don't they they announce a new relegion as per their own wishes becasue what they are doing is not taught by Hazrat Muhammad SAW
@Kaalchakra: It is not ayesha_khan who has Hindu view of Islam. She has the right view of Islam. You have introduced the caste system into it. Ahmediyas cannot do this , cannot do that, cannot sell their product, cannot worship Allah the way they want to. It seems the northerners of South Asia invented caste system and are not able to get out of it. They pursue it by other means, Even the conversion to Islam has not helped,
@Pardesi Why is it we always believe what we are told to believe? When it comes to religion we never bother to research. Why such harsh rigidness instead of understanding and tolerance? Islam was never meant to be so conservative to encourage killing in the name of religion, to erase verses from a place of worship or to expel students from schools. For once why don't we properly research about the community, their belief, the truth and facts about that belief. The exalted rank, the undying respect and love for our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH) IS *SAME!* The community should be allowed to clarify the wrong beliefs attached to its name. How do they do this when they are not even allowed to speak about their religion! I just pray one day we all have enough sense to atleast give one chance to the community to explain its belief. May Allah bless us with the right path. Ameen
These days police is active in doing this type of activities against innocent Ahmadies, Christians, Hindus, Shias. Time will come when God Almighty will come down to protect his verses and his people. Then there will be no body who can protect them against His Jalal. On that day maulvi will not be there to intercede. Ahmadies are registering their FIR to Allah Almighty all over the world. inshallah God Almighty will definitely catch them and their leaders. Then there will be nobody to protect them against His Might. Pakistan is very small country on earth.God almighty has given a little respite. inshallah a time is coming when everyone is answerable for its deeds. I am surprised when terrorists attack on them police has nothing to say or condemn. They get their worst criminal out of jail, and police just look at them and also get killed. Their policeman ship is only for innocent Ahmadies.
Nasir bhai, I have plenty of education.
Lala Gee
I would be the happiest to see more people become Muslims. But I would not wish to add a few more numbers if these 'Muslims' used the garb of islam to spread a completely different religion to both Muslims and non-Muslims.
Suppose you were absolutely sure that Ahmadis were trying to do that, would you still welcome them as "Muslims'?
@Kaalchakra
Ahmadis have been banned (first) in Pakistan because Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself
Qadian- the birth place of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the leader of Ahmadia faith, is located in Gurdaspur District of Punjab province of INDIA.
But I guess, facts, to your feverish mind, don't really matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadian
@Kaalchakra: Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan – quadian being located in Pakistan itself
Qadian is in INDIA. Lol at your geographical knowledge.
Holy Quran is word of God which has been revealed for all human being, every one irrespective of his can read it, and practise upon its teachings if he so desires. After promulgation of ordinance XX 1984 it was challenged before Federal Shariat Court, the case has been reported as Mujeebur Rehman vs Federation of Pakistan, PLD FSC 1985. The Petitioner asked following questions from the court, Can a non muslim believe in oneness of God, Can a non muslim believe Muammad pbuh to be truthful in all his claims, Can a non muslim adopt Quran as his way of life, if answer is in negative the court was requested to refer Nass from Holy Quran and Sunnah. The Court answered the questions in affirmative saying that there is no such prohibition. Second Amendment into the constitution and Ordinance XX 1984 are contrary to constitution of Pakistan, United Nations Charter of Human Rights and other international conventions to which Pakistan is a signatory. Ahmadis are muslims or not muslims will be decided in the hereafter, they are at least human beings this fact is sufficient to entitle them all human rights which are are being denied to them in Pakistan since long. Ahmadis can construct a mosque but cannot call this structure a mosque.
What a primitive society !! Hasn't developed in 1000 years.
@Antebellum: Modern democracies have laws that protect minorities, to avoid the "tyranny of the majority" that is the risk of unprincipled people wielding majority rule.
@Ashar: ...and see where it got ZAB, and the rest of his family for that matter. Don't ask for Allah's wrath. Every Pakistan leader is answerable to Allah for the rights of all its citizens. Historically, every Pakistani leader since 1974 has been disgraced out of office, Pakistan has never seen any peace. Ziaul Haq took this Ahmadi hate campaign to another level and it was hard to identify him. So if you want to hate someone for the sake of joining the band wagon then be ready to face the same consequences, as you are guilty by association. I would rather suggest you try to learn what the Ahmadiyya sect preaches, use your own judgement, and then come to your own conclusion. The problem with this country is that there are too many pseudo-intellectuals with superficial knowledge. Good luck....
shame on you, pakistani police and mulla
For the bigots, to put it simply;
a. Is it justified to persecute Ahmadis or anyone else in Pakistan by not treating them equally such as reported in this article?
b. If the answer to above is yes then how is an Islamic state better than a secular state where citizens are equal under the law?
So which one is it? As you Islamists can not have it both ways.
The first masjid built in London was the Ahmadiyya masjid :):)
Since the last few days the "Ahmadi (non) trouble makers" were not making any waves for the saviors of Islam to stay busy with Jihad. The superior Musluims had actually start to wonder about what hit and when.
The establishment is rather late this time in creating a smoke screen. They badly need to divert focus away from the Shareef / Jayala shenanigans busy in pulling each others pants down. with the help of the saviors of Islam. Ahmadi, Shia, Christian,s Hindus, women, weak, charity workres are easy bones to nurture the big ego feeding off off of hollow rituals in rthe name of Islam.
How they have turned religion on its head is mind boggling. And how they have been rendered insane to inflict self destruction seems a befitting reaction of the laws of nature. As you sow so shall you reap. Where people play God, the soul of the religion simply can not exist. what remains in Pakistan is a rotting carcass of religion. God help this unfortunate nation.
I find Ahmadiyyas more Muslim than any other sect in Islam.
@Agent Ali Imran: wow, your grammar looks really English.
@waqar ahmed:
Who has given you or for that matter any Muslim an authority to decide who is Muslim or not? This very step is wrong itself and un-Islamic just like yourself and people who interfere in other's faith.
The Law itself is unconstitutional created by Blasphemous people, sanctioned by blasphemous Ulemas Of Pakistan and imposed by blasphemous people in Pakistan. All should be tried and hanged under 295c of blasphemy act.
Will Supreme Court take this online petition against the creators of Anti_Ahmadiyya law as blasphemy against Holy Prophet of Islam and against the religion of Islam?
Since none taught us to declare the other NON-MUSLIM but Pakistan's Corrupt and Balsphemous National Assembly with their incompetent and bigot leaders introduced?
@Kaalchakra:
"Islam everywhere is the same, and Ahmadism is not Islam. The sooner Ahmadis stop offending Islam, the better it will be for everyone."
Please honestly tell the ET readers which one is the true reflection of Islam. Islam as conceived by the Sunni scholars, or Islam as interpreted by Wahabi scholars, or Islam as portrayed by Shia scholars, or any of the scholars of the rest of 72 Muslim sects? Don't tell us they are one and the same but with only minor differences. Had that been the case, there wouldn't have killings and bomb explosions in the mosques of the other sects. Unfortunately my knowledge of religions is very limited and I am practicing even less, but I know that most scholars of the different sects do not even offer prayers in the "Imamat" of the other.
By the way, it is amazing how Muslims like yourself get offended, rather than feel proud, by calling someone himself as Muslim. Hardly any Christian would feel offended if a group of Muslims start pretending to be Christian. So who do you believe is the true Muslim as there could only be one sect interpreting Islam correctly, otherwise there was no need to identify one with Sunni, Wahabi, or Shia sects etc. etc.
@Masood Nasir: You claim "the law says Ahmadis should not build their worship places which resembles a Mosque other than that they are allowed to build."
Who made this law and what is its justification? 2. Is there a divine law that regulates the shape and style of a Mosque? If yes, please post a link to this law. 3 Is the design of a Mosque protected by permanent (divine) copyright with selective suage rights? if yes, prove it. 4. Which law (with proof if its divine status) defines who decides who is a Muslim and who is not?
In Islam there is a Hadith against images of all humans and animals. So if as a Muslim you watch TV, read magazines/newspapers, surf the web, have any photographs in your house, have a passport or other ID with you picture, you have broken an Islamic law. So what punishment do you deserve?
@Kaalchakra:
So you are saying that stop reciting Kalima? In other words those who believe they are Muslims should not recite or write Kalima especially on Mosques? IF that's the case then why your mosques have Quranic Verses written?
You can call yourself Muslim but your acts are worst then non-Muslims since you are stopping people to from becoming Muslims.
So Hush Up! Go get yourself some education before you start typing your comments here please!
@Jaakhuzg:
Khadim-e-Ala and Judiciary both are culprits of committing heinous crimes against humanity and faith.
Muslims should be happy for the existence of Ahmedis. They're some of the few who actually can say, without cutting off every sensory part of their bodies for a lifetime that they're peaceful Muslims.
@Kaalchakra: No one has removed kalima from any mosque, so please, don’t twist facts.
If you have trouble deciphering the report, let me reiterate here for you.
The policemen etched out the verses at the main gate and entrance to the main hall.
The report can NOT mention Kalima as Ahmadis are not allowed to say Kalima and Salaam or used Bismillah, words like Islam etc. Ahmadis can be arrested for doing so.
Is this what those so called Muslims have learned, not allowing others to recite and exhibit Kalima?
Umer
There is no hatred against Ahmadis. Islam does not permit hatred. If Ahmadis simply stop their war against Islam, they would be more than welcome to live peacefully with full rights, just as all other minorities live. The ball is in Ahmadi court.
@xainab wrote And Yes, the Qadianies must be given all sorts of protection from any kind of harassment and must be allowed to peacefully follow their beliefs as long as they do not pose themselves as Muslims.
It seems you are posing to be a Muslim while practicing and promoting utter jahalaat ..
I am a bit confused as I am not a very religious person. Most commentators claim that Ahmedi's are not Muslims because they do not believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of God (which my Ahmedi friend tells me they do) and that Mirza Ahmed's claim of being Messiah (prophet) is false. At the same time most Muslims believe that Messiah (prophet) will transcend again. This a bit confusing, what is the difference between the two claims. Let's suppose Mirza's claim is false, and the real Messiah comes again. Will he be a Muslim and not a Christian (even though he is the one Christianity rests upon)? Will he be allowed to use Islamic terms and to claim to be a Muslim. And, if so, what is the difference between real Messiah and Mirza's claim of being Messiah? And even if Mirza's claim is false, what is the fault of the Ahmedis who are following him in good faith? Even worst, how can we force someone that they don't call themselves what they believe they are, however they wrong may be. Can anyone please tell me who is on the right path, Sunni, Wahabi, or Shia, or rest of the 72 Muslim sets? Who has the final authority to judge who is right or wrong. In the days of Caliphs, as they had the highest understanding of the faith, they could have taken the decision (even then I personally do not agree killing anyone on the basis of faith or lack of it - "Laa Ikraaha Fiddin", perhaps Al-Quran), but can we compare the "Aalims" of today with them? Do we have proprietary rights on the looks of mosques as many speak of the law (even though no two mosques in the same area have same design, Sunni and Shia mosques have different characteristics, and different countries have very different styles from other countries) so that no one else can use them. As one reader suggested, they may be required to label it as "Ahmediya Mosque" should be sufficient.
On the one hand, I feel that they should be left alone; on the other, I see it as a good thing, i.e. removing Quranic verses etc. from a non-muslims' worship place...
Remember one thing, Police is responsable to clean Quraan from any unIslamic building - and an Qadyani Buidling is a temple and not a Masjid or an Islamic place, therefore, it should have been removed.
However, this is not the solution. if you want to solve this whole Israeli and UK funded firqa, you should work for re-establishment of Khilafah, which can solve this problem inshaAllah for once and all.
They can live under khilafah, but they have to pay Jizya and also have to not call their temples Islam anymore and can't call themselves Muslim because they are not. The followers of Mirza Kazzab can't do any more Tabligh in this ummah, but because currently they are centered and funded in two places like UK and Tel-Aviv, and at the same time there is no Khilafah, therefore, they allowed to do whatever they want.
For the first time in the history of Pakistan, the Police has done something good.
Thanks
@muhammad amin: hold on...you are claiming...in pure hatred ..a very false thing that "and I condemn the action of qadiyanis to change the quranic ayaat (verses)" this is your claim...I am afraid you are going against quran itself...as Allah has said in quaran that "I have brought this book upon humanity and I will secure it"...so if you say someone has changed the quran then you are directly going against the verse.....!!!!!
@ayesha_khan: Mirza Qadiyani and his son Bashir themselves considered other muslims as non muslims and Qadiyani Fatawa are full of prohibting Ahmedi's for not attending mosques, funerals or social gatherings of " what they consider non muslims". According to Qadiyani religion, who ever does not belive in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed like he does believe in other prophets, is non muslim. The famous case of Bawalpur in the time of British established that Muslims and Qadiyanis can not intermarry. i do not know what state of mind you are in but atleast read the books of the founding fathers of Qadiyani religion. The separation is so clear that there should not be any confusion.
Sadly, this is a true case of illiteracy and narrow mindedness. We Muslims are fighting to build a Mosque at ground Zero in New York City, and insist on building our place of worship (Mosque) in many places which have majority Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, and Jewish populations, but do not allow a small church or temple in Islamic societies such as Saudi Arabia. In fact we destroy places of others worship in Islamic societies. We have lost Islamic values due to Intolerance and illiteracy and that is good reason we are lagging behind all other communities of the world. We kill for blasphemy, destroy schools and colleges, destroy others places of worship, fight holy war (Jihad) against enemies of Islam, kill our own when we do not find another, and that appears to be a way of Islamization in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. We need to educate ourselves and develop moral values first. Once that is done, we would never destroy anyone's place of worship for sure, no matter who that is. In fact, all developed and tolerant societies allow free practice of any religion period.
If a law persecutes a group of people based on their faith, then that law should be changed and should be rejected by all peace loving citizens of that state. The anti ahmadi law is just rediculous and no one reserves the right to persecute them based on their faith. The majority of Pakis are a bunch of insecure people who think any diversion from their mainstream view of islam is a threat to their security. An insecure faith leads to insecure followers.
THE TERM MUSLIM IS NOT A LABEL BUT RATHER A QUALITY. Any one can be a muslim who strives to spread peace. At the same time, a KAAFIR is opposite to a muslim and means a MISCHIEF MAKER. In this example, the KAAFIRS are those who are against the Ahmadis.
The government has no right to decide who is a muslim or not.
Pakistanis are basically religious bigots.
Its interesting how so many “educated” Islamists are supporting legal and constitutional religious apartheid of Pakistani state against Ahmadis akin to the Israeli apartheid against Palestinians and apartheid era South Africa’s apartheid towards blacks.
These Islamists by doing that accept that a religious state, by its very nature, is a fascist state which apartheids against and persecutes its people in the name of religion. This proves by Islamists’ own admission that a religious state is a curse and a bloat on the face of humanity and must be opposed by all.
These religious bigots have thus shot themselves in the foot by accepting and justifying this apartheid against Ahmadis. And yet these very same Islamists would next claim that an Islamic state is actually better than a secular state even though secular states require equal treatment of its citizens under the law unlike an Islamic state.
Interesting how bigotry and hate blocks one from thinking ahead.
@Masood Nasir: ahmadis are crying over spilt milk.you are condemning the action of police men as they clear the quranic ayaat from the wall of ahmadi worship place.........and I condemn the action of qadiyanis to change the quranic ayaat (verses).Qadianis are against islam and quraan. they do not have right to be called as Muslims .........they have no right to write quraanic verses on the wall of their worship place as they do not bivalve in quraan....
"Not true. The top 5 countries with Muslim population are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria."
Ayesha, you are no doubt well informed and well-intentioned, but you have developed a Hindu view of Islam.
Ahmadis have been banned (first) in Pakistan because Ahmadi problem is most acute in Pakistan - quadian being located in Pakistan itself and because Ahmadi doctrine has not been well understood by ordinary Muslims yet. As knowledge about Ahmadism spreads, Muslims in India, Bangladesh, and Indonesia have become more active in denouncing Ahmadism. We are bound to hear more of the same from Nigeria in years to come.
Islam everywhere is the same, and Ahmadism is not Islam. The sooner Ahmadis stop offending Islam, the better it will be for everyone.
@Freeman:
Occupation of religious rights is worst than occupation of any land. You can't complain of one while accepting the other. Ahmadis being citizen of Pakistan does not mean you can persecute them. By that standard any persecution in any country is justified including persecution of other Muslims by any state.
Look up apartheid in dictionary and why it was opposed. This is religious apartheid that is imposed over Ahmadis and others in Pakistan.
@yusuf:
These bigoted anti-human laws are religion based imposed by the Mullahs with the help of the best “democrat” in the history of Pakistan Hazrat Maulana Zia-ul-Haq. Your knowledge of history is commendable.
Should we be surprised when Ahmadis curse all Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and all Muslim countries have been against Ahmadi beliefs. Afghanistan killed a major Ahmadi scholar and they have been in civil war for over 100 years. No mainsteream scholar from a Muslim country has been tolerant or accepting of Ahmadis. I have an Ahmadi friend who says all the problems in Muslim countries are because they don't accept Ahamadi faith. In fact they believe that all Muslim countries are in trouble because they don't accept freedom of religion for Ahmadis. We shouldn't be surprised when Ahmadis feel open about criticising Pakistan and all Muslim countries from Egypt to Iran to Afghanistan to Somalia. I wonder if maybe these Ahmadis are right.
@Ayyaz:
If Israel and India are occupying territories then human rights of Ahmadis are also occupied in Pakistan as accepted by the International Declaration of Human Rights to which the whole world as well as Pakistan is a signatory. Religious freedom is a much more important right than a piece of land for any religious person. If Pakistani authorities and mullahs can occupy that highest of rights in Pakistan then it’s hardly justified to complain of India or Israel.
The point is very simple "AHMADIS" have a different religion as they follow another man as a prophet. Then why they are trying to spread their religion using deception around the world and in Pakistan in the name of Islam. Why they call themselves as muslims when they do not follow ISLAM's basic belief and follow another man as a prophet. SIKHS believe baba guru nanak to be their religious leader/prophet and have a different religion. They do not claim themselves to be muslims and Muslims have no conflict with them. Sikhs acknowledge this fact that Pakistani Government take care of their worship places and provide them with excellent facilities during their pilgrimages to Pakistan. AHMADIS should use their head and do an independent research of why they were declared non-muslims there must be a reason. Islam has two basic beliefs.Firstly, ALLAH is One and only ALLAH is worthy of being worshipped and secondly Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet(nabi and rasul). I think the team of Express tribune should be sensible enough to realise the sensitivity of the issue and not try to present the facts in a twisted manner just to gain international media attention.
@Yuri Kondratyuk:
It is related by Human rights. How did you miss that link?
Yet another divergent tactics of Governance .......... from main issues. Disgusting indeed
Why qadyani's are asking for better attitude from Muslims??? It is not a Muslim Shria state where you can ask for your rights, its a democratic state.....majority is authority!
@Agent Ali Imran: If it is so then those slaughtering innocent civilians in the name of God are the heroes of Islam. Those devils who destroyed the mentality of whole nation in the name of Jihad at the time when Europe was cultivating builders of modern technologies, yeah they did the right thing. And Pakistan is a land of Islam, but Mr Ali Imran! look at India, their leaders have more respect for their moral values as they resign when are found corrupt. The Islamic laws of Pakistan are as authentic as pious are the people to define them. So why do you curse Israel when Allah promised to protect Quran and not the Muslims? Jews are the nation which is going to be punished until the judgement day according to a promise of God, are not they spanking Muslims? If all this is for the well being of Islam then Allah is replying you at the other end. We as Ahmadies believe that people to respect Quran will get respect in heaven. And meaning of respect is to follow the book in daily life, not just reading it. Therefore Mr Agent Ali Imran, where we are spreading in numbers on earth, countries out of Pakistan respect us, the Ahmadies. But please see Bhutto, Zia, Shah Faisal, and now Gaddafi, they got punishment from Allah for their deeds.
@Ayesha_Khan
Nice. U seem quite knowledgeable.
@A real Bloch: "Qadyanis arent Mulims this is the verdict of 1.1 billion Muslims"
Not true. The top 5 countries with Muslim population are Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Only in Pakistan are AHmadis considered non-Muslim and only since 1974.
@muhajir: "its in the law of Pakistan that ahmadi worship places should not bear the resemblance of a Masjid then that should be respected. "
This worship place was built in 1960 and the Pakistani law cam ein 1974. No law was broken at the time the Masjid was built. In Switzerland there is a new law saying masjids with minarets cannot be built. But they are not giong around destroying existing mosques because of this law which came much later.
This act had nothing to do with enforcing rule of law and everything to do with bullying and oppression of a minority.
Once again, Islam has been saved in Pakistan! Alas what about saving the latter?
Umer
I support Muslims and Islam alone under Islam's guidance. If you don't like any part of it, that is your problem.
calling muslim and doing every thing against what Islam stands for is now a days is Mullah`s Islam in Pakistan ,disgusting and shameless act of Govt agency (POLICE) .this is done on the beautiful name of Islam ,they have no shame.may Allah have mercy on all those who are innocent victims be steadfast and never take the law in your own hands let Alone almighty Allah to respond their actions just remainsteadfast to Ahmadiyyat the true Islam and stay away from bad people.
According to Islamic rules and the constitution of Pakistan Ahmadi/Qadyani are declared as non-muslims.I shocked that some ignorant people are still considering them their muslim brothers. Qadyani are completly non-muslims and they should not use the muslim indications to mislead the muslims. It is a great step taken by Police to defend our Religion "Islam" and to apply constitution of Pakistan.
Reading all the comments by bigots applauding this action as just application of the law one would think that there was no more law-abiding country in the world than Pakistan. Of course if anyone tries to debate or use legal means to change the discriminatory anti-Ahmedi laws these same law-abiding citizens will start burning, destroying property, and murdering anyone they can get their hands on. How convenient that they hide their bigotry, hatred and immorality behind "the law"!
Seriously Guys . Karachi is burning, Planes are crashing, Bomb blasts everywhere. Corruption is at the peak- No Food- No Electricity- No Gas-And above all No Security for Life ,BUT our Dearest Pakistanis are more worried about who is Muslim and who is not. That's really amazing. Dear Pakistanis -We will still say LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
Ha, ha, ha. Pakistanis protest when the Swiss do not permit construction of new minarets and at the same time destroy minarets in their own country !!! Joke of the day.
I hate the fact that a mafia of intolerant jahil maulvis have hijacked my religion. They think they can play God and decide who's Muslims and who's not. The problem is not just one mosque or Ahmadis, its a manifestation of a REALLY BAD interpretation of Islam that's being wildly propagated. We need to breed educated Muslims to step forward and speak against this mafia who think they own Islam.
I just want to say that may Allah show everyone the right path. . .love for all haterd for none is the motto of Ahmadiat. . .may Allah bless jamate ahmadia with success (aameen)
I wish, if everyone in Pakistan can follow this by Quaid-e-Azam M A Jinnah
You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed --that has nothing to do with the business of the State. (Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on 11th August, 1947.)
Where did we go wrong.....
A barbaric act. Really sad and repenting. 1st the thing is that the matter of Ahmadiyya sect is not taken into deep interest and on the other hand doing such ridiculous things is very annoying. The decision at which everyone makes an accountability factor about Ahmadies as Unislamic was just decided in 15 minutes and that was totally Political one. Just for the sake of Arabs, Mr. Zulifqar Ali Bhutto did that happen and thats been a matter of dispute between the parties till the moment. It wasnt a Religious ammendment.
Ahmadies use Islamic terms and everyone should be happy at it, rather than getting silly. Its just the lack of Awareness in the Public.
I am against this Racism that is being done to Ahmadies in Pakistan. They should have full freedom to preach also. For what the Govenment and mullahs are scared of? If Ahmadiyya true, people should join it and if other one, they should go for it. What is govenment and any mullah to interfere in anyones personals?
Everyone gets afraid of TRUTH and the situation depicts that same is the case with Pakistan. Sorry my Beloved country for you are a puppet of Politics.
Police is just following the law, this entire outcry about this issue is senseless. People are angry about quranic verses scratched out from walls of Ahmedi prayer places but not by what ahmedis are doing?
Ahmedis are declared non-muslims according to constitution and its good that constitution is being uphold at least on this issue. Ahmedis have equal rights to live as compared to other muslims but they cant claim to be muslims, Newspapers such as tribune should also raise voice against ahmedi propaganda
Disgusting, intolerant, disappointing, saddening.... this is NOT my Islam.
@Masood Nasir: yes indeed. Whatever the police did was exactly according to the law of the land and pure and simple constitutional. They are prohibited, through the constitution, to act and portray themsleves like Muslims. Commendable police action without any violence shall be appreciated instead ridiculing Pakistan itself. Grow up.
I don't understand what the heck is your problem guys, you guys are defending Ahmedis and Qudianies, how do you like them to curropt your religion,, they are worst of all muslims. Do you all know the ideological theories of these people, "they believe that Budha is also a prophet of Allah" I mean how could someone being a muslim believe that?
@Umer: None of them are breaking the law of Palestine and India as they are occupied by India and Isreal and are not citizens of Israel and India. They both are fighting to kick both them from their own territory.
@Agent Ali Imran: Ahmadies should respect Pakistani law. According to law Ahmedies are not Muslims as they do not follow fundamental rule of islam so why they make their worships like muslims mosques.
I am not against Ahmedies or their faith but Law is law. They have every right to follow their own way of faith but they also need to follow country law where they live. If Ahmedies will make mosques then there will be confusion among the muslims.
I am not sure why everyone is trying to bash Pakistan. More worse things are happening in other countries in the world. Police only asking them to respect the law and that's it and gave them time to do it themselves.
The most interesting thing is I have seen mass protests against Burqa Ban and Minaret Ban Pakistan and when Jamaat e Islaami was asked why there should not be any ban then they said that Islam teaches us tolerance and There are Human right in Islam. So the irony is that We call Europeans as Hypocrites after Minaret Ban and we say that they dont follow Human rights but when we do the same in Pakistan then we say we are Majority and we have the right to do that and many people infact supported this move. This means According to my Muslims fellows Human rights exist only for Muslims and not for Non Muslims. They can protest Minaret and Burqa Ban but In Islamic country Human rights exist for only Muslims. With this move how can you say that Human rights are equal in Islam. ???. When you are in Majority you want Shariah and when you are in Minority then you want Secularism like in Europe to protect yourself.?.
@ A2Z Where in Pakistan can u point out any incident from the side of an Ahmadi creating trouble Ahamdis, Do u believe Allah is everywhere so u know what is happening in Pakistan or you just want to say against Ahamdis without any prior knowledge Fear God and think rationally is this what our holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw) has taught us from where you get that stopping anyone from Saying Prayers , Going to Mosques and Calling Adhan is serving Islam ? Hazur (SAW) even allowed Jews and Christian to worship even in Mosques sometimes . Mullahism is destroying Pakistan allover !! Already the condition of Pakistan is getting worse day by what else are you all waiting for Allah's curse will not leave any one who even thinks wrong for anyone fear God Ahmadies only speak of love for all and hatred for none ! Shame on the police and shame on the government and shame on the official muslims of the so called Muslim country Pakistan May Almighty Allah show all the right path !
Its about time that people should wake up and provide protection to the weak in their community. Shouting the slogan that we are muslims and not lending a helping hand to those who are being persecuted is hypocricy. I see many people feel bad for the ahmadis but they will never go out to talk to them or help them in real life. If you are not part of a solution, you are part of the problem.
Religious fascism, which most Pakistanis suffer from, is a disease that kills slowly. Europe called their share of it as "dark ages" while muslims think that every thing in their history is made of gold. Religion takes away all logic and common sense from an average human. This fascims, has engrained the Pakistanis to believe that Muslim is a label whereas the Quran puts it as a "quality of a human".
Ahmadis are as much muslim as any other sect. Soon the time will come when all these hateful sects will face the consequences of their actions.
And again, dont just talk....go out and take some action.
What if American congress pass a law to ban Muslims their right of worship in public or create our mosques a certain way after getting "inspirations" from this golden law?
Do these so called "true Muslims " have a patent on a particular building design.This is height of hypocrisy and the worse kind of religious narrow minded ness, which has nothing to do with glorious principles of Islam.these people are actually exhibiting the same narrow minded ness and hatred as of their Hindu ancestor, albeit in name of Islam.Their cousins are doing the same across border by demolishing Babri mosque and killing people belonging to other religions like Muslims,Christians,Sikh etc,all in name of religion.
Why are Muslims so anti ahamadiya why are they so brutally intolerant, we have similar in Kashmir with the grand mufti asking GOI not to recognise ahamadiya community as Muslims.we Hindus have our own fanatics but on this scale that they challenge peace of the world.
Hazoor SAW said that Islam would be divided into 72 sects and only one would be following me and mine Sahaba. These majority is following exactly the early days people who want to remove Islam by force. Love for all hatred for none.
For God's sake "Live and Let Live" people. Such bigots, like those who reported this to the police, let all pakistanis down. Let ahmadis have a breath of peace even if you dont consider them muslims atleast consider them humans.
@ All Above :
If it's a law under constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan than it is needed to be followed on all costs.
Second thing : I have already seen real faces of Ahmedi's I can't defend them anymore. So now follow the LAW like everyone else.
ET is a newspaper with a foreign agenda and conspiracy. It always posts non news items like this to degrade pakistan. It also posts articles against Imran Khan Sahab all the time. Imran Khan sahab not any other politicial party has condemned this nor is there any report in any newspaper, why ET is always doing this?
If Zakir Naik can travel to non-muslim nations to spread Islam, why cant Ahmadis do the same in Islamic lands? Please respond hypocrites.
I really dont understand why so many people are commenting here. There
s a law and implementing the law is wrong? Why? Qadianis, Ahmedis are NOT Muslims. They Do Not accept Mohammed as the last prophet & therefore, are not muslims. & hence they have lost their right just like Hindoos to put Quranic Verses on their buildings (not mosques). Why is ET making a fuss over something which is a non issue? I think theres a conspiracy. Other Newspapers like Damn or the Jang or nation haven`t even bothered to cover this while ET makes this a big ticket news item.@ Lone Star: good point, but for that you need moral courage - which is lacking in abundance. People don't want to face the wrath of the nuisance value of mullah!
Well Done,
Just not let any one else touch our Religion !!! Keep them away !!!!
What nonsense !!
This is sheer lunacy!
We, as muslims have lost the essence of Islam. Who are we to judge them? I feel ashamed of being a Pakistani muslim for such a ruthless treatment with Ahmadi brothers & sisters, though, I don't belong to them but I at least feel for them and to feel the feeling of such pain is what Islam has taught me. They should be given freedom to practice their religion in whichever way they want & be treated equally regardless of any name they give to their religion.
May Allah give them hidaya that's what is least expected of them!
Why ET is so easy on Islam and so sympathetic on Ahmedis??? I am sure they are not aware of the wrath one deserve for deviation in Islam. Making worship places similar to Muslims is a trap to misguide innocent worshippers.
@muhajir: You an academic person in matters of religion? The authority with which you are expressing your desire to have an 'academic' debate with the head of the Ahmadiyya community, seems you have mastered in your understanding about the philosophies and teachings of Islam. My question to you is, do you even know the plain translation of 'Namaz'? You might be offering it five times a day, you must be knowing every meaning of every single verse you say in namaz, i bet you won't. The problem with people like you is that you don't know the very basics of Islam and yet you have the courage to question others faith, may Allah have mercy on you. And please, become a true muslim and strengthen your basics, then may be you you won't be needing any 'academic' debate.
@adnan Talk about the caste system...in garb of religion!:
just remember that Pakistan is, and still remains, the only country in the whole world that declares Ahmedis as "non-muslims" by law.
No other country, Muslim or non-Muslim, does that.
You will find Ahmedis in India, UK, USA, Bangladesh, Canada, South Africa, Indonesia, Gulf, Europe etc and they are regarded as Muslims and can go to Hajj/Ummrah to Saudi Arabia too.
@Ahmed: Tomorrow you will try to erase rest of humanity just because in your belief they are not muslims but look like one! (same 2pair of eyes, walk on two legs, have same kind of brains....) in short are also humans.
Please dont call Ahmedis as Muslims, .........they have different faith and relegion from Muslims.
Yes, we have to protect every minority in our country.
Everyone has to obey the law of the country as well.
Only in Pakistan. Such a shame.
Qadyanis arent Mulims this is the verdict of 1.1 billion Muslims. They themselves designate themselves as Ahmdis. Qdyyani cult have their headquarters in London UK and Haifa Israel. It is a shame that they use Islam and Quranic words on there place of worship. If they want to revert back revert from Mirza and declare Muhammad (PBUH) as the last Prophet.
@Ahmed: the way my friend you wrote that Ahmadi's and non-muslim is a fact, you must be very sure about it. For my knowledge, can you tell me the basis of this fact? What makes you think that they disguide themselves as muslims? Frankly speaking, if they disguise themselves with Quranic verses and Kalima, should'nt you be happy that they are coming under the veil of muslims. Its a natural win for you, isn't it.
As an overseas Pakistani & a Muslim I have more civil rights and liberty to practice my religion than I have in Pakistan & Mideast.
If All Qadiani reckon them 'Ahmedi' and all others (whther muslim or non-muslim) as non-ahmedi then its very much perfect to remove minret from thier place of worship. And its nothing but compliance the law and constitution of Pakistan which require to do so. Police is just doing what these Pakistanies wanted for them. What wrong with it?. After all Qadianies are all Pakistani and they have to abide by the law and constitution. Isn't it the case??
@ Umer Palestinians and Kashmiris should not break any Israeli or Indian laws too by your standards.
Well you know what is the history of Kashmir & Israeli, Jews have occupied the state & same as indian did. as it was clearly mentioned in Law that Ahmadi are not muslim, if their was something wrong, then the local of that worship place should speak out, well they know that they are wrong so they didn't oppose, don't know why you people are shouting from all over the world,
why dont ahmadis just call their religion ahmadiyat? a separate religion like hindusim, sikhism, christianity, etc why do they create fitna in Islam by calling their religion a sect in Islam? I would love to have an academic debate with the Ahmadi head in London. Can he answer the following? Mirza Qadiyani did not fight against any Dajjal nor did he fulfill any of the prophecies which will be fulfilled by Prophet Isa (as) or Imam Mahdi. so why do they still follow him? Also thr Authentic Hadith clearly state that Prophet Isa (as) will be separate from Imam Mahdi, so how do they accept Mirza Qadiyani as two in one?
I salute the policemen for standing up to the Qadiani lobby and upholding rule of law !
the biggest mistake was to creat Pakistan and you can see the results
@Amir Khan: So live with them and die with them and get buried with them.
@Masood Nasir: Yes, these are the teachings of the Prophet (saws). In the Prophets time numerous sects arose in which their leaders proclaimed themselves as Prophets and as messiahs, these sects would attempt to justify themselves through verses in the Quran and other matters of faith, they were all relentlessly persecuted to extinction.
They have to obey the law of the Land. Even in Europe or America one cannot make a masjid without legal permission. When its in the law of Pakistan that ahmadi worship places should not bear the resemblance of a Masjid then that should be respected. The police have shown humanity and leniency by allowing them one day to comply with the law.
Its a very shameful thing that a Muslim erasing Kalima and Quranic verses. No matter that a police did it but first of all the cops were Muslims. Muslims should spread Quran and here they're removing it. What a pity....
. It started in early 50ties and it is gaining ground ever since. One of the reasons is that politicians have lost their vision. Instead of leading the nation , and creating the national unity ,they are following the crowds. They do not dare to say what they mean!!!! the result is that whole of the nation is polarized,fabric of society is torn away , and Mullhaism is on the march. It will remain so until the political forces are completely out of scene. And Taliban take over the beautiful land of Pakistan. Welcome to the list of most intolerant people .
@Agent Ali Imran: Extremism is the main problem in Pakistan. Here [people have thinking like of yours. Using scripts from Holy boo and writing on walls should rather be considered good because people learn from them. I appreciate Express Tribune for being so open and informing this to entire community of Pakistan & world so that atleast educated people in Pakistan can protest about these acts of Stone Age Era. Should allow Ahmedis to practice their way of worshiping .
finally with this we have saved the islam today. congrats, muslims
Was Pakistan created for the protection of Islam or the destruction of Islam ? Seeing the happenings of the last 65 years I am having some serious doubts. Will those who erase the Quranic verses and and pull down the minarets be subsequently prosecuted under the BLASPHEMY laws ?
The law of all Islamic lands (including Pakistan) states that Ahmedi's are "non muslims". So why the hue and cry? If Ahmedi's think they are in large number and are spread worldwide, they must go elsewhere in a non-islamic country. They can not and should not practice non muslim faith, while calling themselves as muslims - in a muslim land.
@Umer:
I admire your abilities in bringing up Palestine and Kashmir in a context not even remotely related to either.
These so called muslims are scraching Quran from mosque and pastor Tery Jones is burning Quran.I cannot see any difference between them both are doing the same.
@Masood Nasir: I am an ex-Qadiani; We can not call a worship building of Qadianies as a mosque. As the Muslims and Qaddianies are two different groups. Therefore it was the right thing to do that all symbols and things which were depicting that building as a mosque must be removed to avoid any confusion.
I will further suggest that a sign board must be hanged outside every Ahmaddiya worship centre that this building is an Ahmaddiya Worship Centre.
And Yes, the Qadianies must be given all sorts of protection from any kind of harassment and must be allowed to peacefully follow their beliefs as long as they do not pose themselves as Muslims.
I am not an Ahmadi but this is not in accordance with the Quaid's Pakistan...shame on we the Muslims for such conservatism...we have made Pakistan apartheid for the minorities...
@fahad yousaf: Offcourse no one is above law, that is the reason none from the Ahmadi community reacted in any manner. It seems like you are a hardcore law abiding citizen, but what you missed looking at is the Hypocracy. The Tribune is highlighting that the Kalima, Allah's Name and Quranic verses were rubbed, can't you see that. You seem quite boastful for law, please mention which law gives permission for rubbing Kalima, Allah's name and Quranic verses. Law prohibits wall chalking at government installations, public places, I have never seen police rubbing that, so which rule of law are you talking about?
After this sect is obliterated it will be the turn of SHEA. Will people of Pakistan ever see PEACE in that beautiful country. Before Partition everybody lived peacefully. WHY NOT NOW ?.
The law is the law is the law...
Teeheehee.
Dance! Dance like they all are...why, can't you hear the music? You must be mad, mad I tell you, if you don't hear the music!
Policemen scratched out Quranic verses written on the walls
So far, so good.
Now will some scholar tell me that if I were to 'scratch out Quranic verses' written on some other walls, I will not be killed for blasphemy.
And would the same apply, if I were to 'scrach' out the verses from some pages in a Book or may be some pages from the Book, also.
Some people desperately need to wake up and get a life.
this is what no body knows becuase in pakistan the name of islam is opposition of Ahmadiyyat an nothing else. If somebody raises his voice against this unjustice action then the government never take serious action even looks like that govt. itself involves aal in these maaters........one thing i never understand that what is the real problem of them with these names of Allah which has written on that walls oh Ahmadiyya worship places...........is there anyone who can give the answer? certainly no one is there because they don't know what are they doing............Allah will catch them soonly inshallah and tells them what did they do...........this is the dark side of our beloved Pakistan so sad,......
@Jaakhuzg: He is Busy sending these police contingents to Ahmadi places instead of all the places they are actually needed in this lawless society
The ironical thing is Pakistan was supposed to be haven for all Muslims. How sad that they enjoy greater freedom from the country that was supposed to oppress them.
I am happy to point out that Ahmadis enjoy freedom in India.
that's sick
Pathetic......
@Agent Ali Imran:
That would mean we'll have to scratch it off from even the very famous mosques like Faisal mosque among others.
Why so much crying? Whatever happen to DEMOCRACY and the Majority is Authority?
@Kaalchakra:
What activities? Freedom of religion? It may come as a surprise to a JI supporter like you but freedom of religion is the basic right of every human being. Police infringed on that right so police is to blame as well as the government who instead of protecting citizen rights steps over them.
My ignorant to Islam brothers who scratched out the Qurranic verses and tried to demolish minarets from worship place forgot that few of the indications of Qurb e Qiamat are that people will rub off the Qurranic verses and will demolish Mosques. It is sad to learn that one of the Leaders involved was an ADVOCATE, so now i believe that two of the indications are being completed.
Dilawer Khan Sahib
The Quaid had visualized Pakistan as a welfare Islamic state. Hindus, Ahmadis, Sikhs could continue to practice their faiths if they wanted but he expected the true Islamic ways to become a common bond among all, thus reducing angularities. He could not have appreciated Ahmedis taking the route they have.
@Kaalchakra
o look! do I see Policemen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y63r21RFb-o stop living in denial and the fear of the Mullah. Havent they dont enough to destroy Pakistan!!!!
Ahmedis are non muslims. They want to live in Pakistan they can. But not like Muslims. ZAB was one of the greatest men of Pakistan who took this bold decision and declared Ahmedis non- muslims.
What ever done with them is of no disappointment, neither they were forced nor persecuted, they knew they were doing wrong because when you do not believe on Kalima Tayyaba then you do not have the right to place it on the wall of your temple. Same is for Holy Verses.
After going thru the above comments it seems this is the first muslim comments on this one of the very few legal, justified and shariah complient actions of our Police Force. Thanks to the Petitioners for setting things straight with respect to our respected minority of Pakistan, Qadianis.
Very
Really a sad day and sad event.
Pakistan was made on the doctrine that Hindus and Muslims can not live together. Well! Hindus are by and large living peacefully with Muslims in India; while Muslims are not living peacefully with fellow Muslims in Pakistan. Two nation theory is dead; long live Hindu-Muslim unity!
Gift of free judiciary and a democratic government.
Burning of Quraan by a non Muslim in U S and Scratching of verses of Quraan by Mullas and so called Muslim police.? What is the difference except Muslims doing this is far bigger sin Can C.J tell us where is the Namoos e Quraan lawThis is just sad. Very sad. Why can't we let them live/worship the way they want?
.....and we still call ourselves a tolerant Muslim nation.
What a service of Islam by erasing Kalma, Names of Allah and Verses of Holy Quran. Shame on these stupid and ignorant people.
May Allah have mercy on these people
This law is product of "Democracy", the lovely system of secular and liberals. They also "preach" to respect the constitution then why they are so much frustrated. When law is according to their wishes then it's perfect otherwise not. Secular and Liberal are also extremists. Those who are criticising that there is no tolerance then I should remind you the law says Ahmadis should not build their worship places which resembles Mosque other than that they are allowed to build. They should respect the law and live peacefully instead of creating trouble.
shame on you fahad yousaf. pathetic move by the police. everyone should have a fair chance to practice their religion in peace
This is called State-Sponsored Terrorism , Every amendment made by Dictators can be abolished but why this one remains in Constitution ? From where they get that stopping anyone from Saying Prayers , Going to Mosques and Calling Adhan is serving Islam ? Hazur (SAW) even allowed Jews and Christian to worship even in Mosques sometimes . Mullahism is destroying Pakistan internally !!
Also I urge my Ahmadi Muslim brothers that just like how they stand up and unite against oppression from fellow Muslims, so too they should unite against oppression and hypocrisy within the community, especially in Pakistan. You should point out and bring to jamaat's notice those 'murrabiyans', 'sadar sahib/sahiba e halka' and their families who flaunt their position for personal gains and hide behind piety. Because they are no different from the Mullahs who are against Jamaat e Ahmaddiya.
I believe every human being has the right to practice what ever religion they wish to practise, but as far as I am concerned our prophet of Islam declared in his akhri khutba that HE was the last prophet and there will be no more after him. Now Mr Ahmed comes along, and claims to be a prophet why did he try to hijack Islam? If you choose to follow another prophet then you are not Muslims : SIMPLES These people should not be persecuted for their religious practice but I would seriously ask Ahmadis to look at their faith. Why is it that "Ahmadis" are not allowed to perform Hajj if they go there as "Ahmadis"?
One thing is clear that these minority Muslim sects are only safe in non-islamic countries. In a failed country like Pakistan, they are neither allowed to pray nor convert to other religions.
During the time of the Prophet (sa), the Kuffar would commit the same monstrosities and atrocities that these people are doing against Ahmadi Muslims. May Islam be protected from such ideologies. And for all our Muslim brothers and sisters in the Ummah, do you not see that day by day the Ummah is more divided ideologically in terms of sects, politically, and in other ways, and is more and more at odds with itself, and you have things like this, yet the جامعة الإسلامية الأحمدية has remained united under 1 Khalifah since its inception?
The Prophet (sa) said if you cannot find a Jama’at al-Muslimeen (Community of Muslims) with a single Imam uniting them, then go and live in the forest in seclusion. However if you do find that Community, then go join them (Sahih Bukhari).
Love for All, Hatred for None
@PostMan Quran-e-Pak is for reading, understanding and to implementing in our daily life. Its not for writing on the walls.
I am absolutely in favour of this action we must not allowed any self proclaimed Islam follower to do anything which can damage the image of Islam and our Prophet (PBUH). I live in UK and here I saw how UK and German government pay this community to damage the image of Islam and converting peoples to become Qadyaani by paying him lot of money.
@fahad yousaf: The said Ahmadi 'mosque' with it's 'muslim architecture' was built in 1960, before the 1974 ordinance declared them as 'non-muslims' and before 1984 ordinance became effective. As per the rule of law it only applies to the 'mosques' built after 1984.
It's very shamefull ! Whether Islam teaches us this way ??? Very very sad, It's slap upon administration of Punjab and curse on the former of this ordinance. Anyhow these actions can not slow down the very speedy progress of Ahmadiyya jamat . Only in two days of March 2012 Leader of Ahmadiyya Jamat has inaugurated three mosques in west midlands region of UK in a radius of 13 miles only.
Why Qadianis are not following law. Qadianis should live and let live amicably in society. If the law doesn't allow them than why every time they do this. It's becoming their routine.
These activities of Qadianis mislead Muslims of local area as they consider it masjid and go to pray. To prevent this this law was made but Qadianis are very stubborn.
Whats wrong guys........ Law is a law....do as directed ..... and really shame on tribune. dont cry follow the law. you are not Muslims dont built mosque....if you dont understand and follow Quran dont write on your worship place walls.
Good Work there is no room of any change in Islam.
@fahad yousaf: Can any one please explain that what this dispute is about?? But I just know one thing that until & unless anyone insults islam , he must be allowed to follow religion.
@fahad yousaf:
Palestinians and Kashmiris should not break any Israeli or Indian laws too by your standards.
Yeah? Well try to erase the status of mosque for this place from within our hearts! ...
Quaid e Azam's address to Constituent Assembly, August 11 1947 says, "We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish."
An here we are.... A democratic state with freedom of speech, expression and above all, freedom of religion.
If tomorrow some Quranic verses are published in a book not written by a muslim then what would be the fate of that book??
Police etched out Quranic verses from the place of worship on behest of people who wanted themselves to be taken as more "muslims" than others?? Ironic!!
Gr.......8
Shame on every Pakistani on planet earth. We have demonized our own no wonder we have so many enemies ...
Where is mighty khan the man of reforms change and INQALAB
Atleast a statement would help ! Please condemn this
Naeem Sabir
No one has removed kalima from any mosque, so please, don't twist facts.
How often do the police agree to 'give you a day'? Instead of blaming the police, would it not have been better to not engage in such activities in the first place?
It should be obvious to all that Allah's blessings will not be in a country where the Government of an Islamic country sponsors the erasing of verses from the Holy Quran. I feel sorry for Pakistan.
Do those who are Muslim by law have some kind of copyright on designs which vaguely fall under the category of mosque-like or Islamic design. Do we have some kind of monopoly on the Quran - wasn't it revealed for the people of the world rather than just for the people of the faith. SHAME ON THE POLICE, SHAME ON THE GOVERNMENT, AND SHAME ON US for not protecting our brothers and sisters who are being persecuted for their beliefs.
Speecless- Just wondering What would be our POV If someone in India or USA would have done this to our Mosques?
I am afraid we are removing the Name of Allah and Kalima i Tayyaba without any fear. For God sake be sensible, be afraid from the Almighty Allah. Dangue fever, huge floods and other curses have not yet been gone away from Pakistan. Dont follow the footprints of Abraha and his army who came to Mecca to destroy the Khana i Kaaba but the history depicts that all his army was destroyed by the Almighty Allah by virtue of small Ababeels. Is there anyone who can stop these hate campaigners.
Why blame? Majority of 'Muslim' will admire this, majority is authority!!!
Scratching out Quran verses from walls- is it not blasphemy? will the police be arrested? Oh. It was not done by Americans. Otherwise there will be riots in streets of Pakistan.
What all are you people doing...where are you heading to......such Intolerance. For God's ( Allah ) sake leave your minorities alone...after all they are just a minority.
No one is allowed to bypass the law. If there is a rule that Qadiyanis cant make their worship places like holy mosques then they should not. Why you guys are becoming so frustrating. I am sure papers like tribune will give air to this incident...shame on Tribune...
This is just a face of democracy, a soar tablet that must have to be taken by minority as majority is authority.
Scratching out Quranic verses from walls? How nice. We are the top most blasphemers ourselves and have no respect to the Book that we were given to follow. Pathetic.
wake up Punjab... This land of lively, colorful and vibrant culture and people are fast falling into the grip of religious extremism and i am afraid that if not addressed timely,, it will soon be loosing its beautiful face.
Absolutely disgusting! Why does every thing under the sun "outrage the religious feelings of Muslims"???
I am ashamed to be a Pakistani and a Muslim because of pathetic zealots like this. When I tell anyone I am a Pakistani Muslim I feel as if i am insulting myself. After living in Canada I realized what Islam actually is something I would have never learned living in Pakistan. I am sorry to say but nations like Canada, U.S., and the United Kingdom represent Islamic ideals such as love, tolerance, peace, respect, freedom, better than ANY ISLAMIC NATION!
A sad sad day. Where is freedom of religion? We Muslims cry when someone else does anything to us but are silent when we do the same to others? The hypocrisy, the shame!!!
Islam cannot be saved by such actions and even the Almighty Allah would not approve of the same. More and more people all around the world would shun and condemn Muslims especially Pakistanis being an intolerant community. We are truly proud of our Ahmediyas and other Muslim sects in India who worship in their respective mosques without fear or discriminating each other.
isn't scratching quoranic verses covered under blasphsmy? accidently burning of a newspaper having quoranic versus on it may land you in jail, then why not intentional scratching ?
".......religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment". hmmmm it's always Muslims feelings, whether they are in Pakistan or in the UK? Outta curiousity is there any decent person left in Pakistan who could raise this un-islamic act in the parliament? Let's see who comes forward to condemn it.
where is Khadim-e-Aala and our hyper active supreme Court's Suo moto???
This is outrageous and completely condemnable act by the Pakistani Government. I really wept for the future of that country. But i just want them to know that Ahmadis are everywhere in the world, They can not stop the cause of Almighty Allah. Despite all their critism,we are progressing in faith. May Almighty Allah fight for us. Am proud to be an Ahmadi
@Masood Nasir: Congrats! At least Police is doing something.
We, Ahmadi Muslims, living outside Pakistan should respond by increasing our tabligh activities and show those miscreants that your hegemony is limited only within the precincts of Pakistan but we are a world-wide community and we can not only depict ourselves as Muslims but also propagate our faith. Doing tabligh and achieving new converts can be a slap on their faces.
Sorry to say but this is a pathetic country. I feel ashamed. Who are we to question their faith? Live and let live.
It is outrageous and we have degraded ourselves to the extent that no fear of Allah or Rasool (s.a.w.) is left in us just for the animosity of a weak, God fearing, non political and practical sect. This is ignorance of before Rissalat when Kuffar used to do their utmost against Hazoor (s.a.w.)and Sahaba.