Respecting sovereignty —ours and theirs

Published: March 23, 2012

The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance communications consultant. She tweets @tazeen and blogs at http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com

Pakistan won the title of champions in a closely contested Asia Cup final against Bangladesh at Dhaka and what a match it was; fortunes fluctuated throughout the match and the Pakistani team scraped through by holding on to their nerves. It was a game that kept you glued to the TV screen at the edge of your chair. Kudos for entertaining cricket-followers across the world goes not only to Pakistan, but also to Bangladesh.

There is no bad blood in cricket between Pakistan and Bangladesh so the rivalry is only of sporting nature and both, the Pakistani cricket team captain, Misbahul Haq, and the Man of the Match winner, Shahid Afridi, paid respect to the efforts of the Bangladeshi cricket team. What left a sour taste was the callous behaviour of some Pakistanis. In the run up to the final and during the match, Pakistani social media chatter was abuzz with memes like ‘East or West, Pakistan is the best’, ‘kyunki Bangladesh bhi kabhi Pakistan tha’ (because Bangladesh was once Pakistan) and ‘Hum jeetain ya woh, jeet tau Pakistan ki hi hogee’ (whether they win or us, the victory is Pakistan’s). Making a mockery of a country’s sovereignty is in extremely bad taste. Anyone with a modicum of decency would find such blatant discount of a country’s identity as a separate entity objectionable — throw in the atrocities committed by the state of Pakistan against its own people in former East Pakistan and it is downright offensive. To do so just before the Bangladeshi Independence Day is downright odious.

Around forty-one years ago, when General Yahya Khan asked his commander of the Eastern Command to “sort out the Bengalis”, Operation Searchlight was launched on March 25, 1971. The “sorting out” in Yahya’s speech meant brutally crushing a popular uprising. The operation started with an attack on the dormitories of Dhaka University where heavy artillery was used against students and citizens of the country. Though it took another nine months for the transformation of East Pakistan into Bangladesh, many say it was the last night of a united Pakistan. The following day, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman of the Awami League and Major Ziaur Rahman in Chittagong separately declared Bangladesh to be an independent state and all hell broke loose. The operation that was ostensibly launched to save Pakistan, accomplished anything but that and left death, destruction, loot, plunder, rape and genocide of the Bengali people in its wake.

As a nation, we are good at brushing the nasty collective memories under the carpet. We do not mention incidents like Operation Searchlight or the dismemberment of the country in our history books or national narratives. We shy away from admitting that our state has systematically used rape as an instrument of war against its own people. We do not talk about how the state machinery was and continues to stay involved in the brutal murders of the very citizens it is mandated to protect. However, our collective ignorance should not lessen the intensity of turmoil that they have faced. The Bengalis have fought a hard war for independence and such disregard of their feelings is distasteful.

Every other day, we see one political leader or the other foaming at the mouth, wanting other countries, especially the United States of America, to respect the sovereignty of Pakistan. It is about time we accord the same courtesy to other countries.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 24th, 2012.

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Reader Comments (69)

  • Raheel
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:16PM

    I dont know what your are trying to say. few bad apple does not make the whole nation disrespectful towards Pakistan. I live in London where Muslim lives from all over the world. My childhood was in Pak and when i came to England 11 year ago, i was only concern about Pakistan rather then rest of Muslim world (one nation, one Umma of Muslim). But what i experienced in England was Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin people who was born and grew in England speaks about living as one Nation rather then split between Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

    Respect everyone sovereignty but only thinking of one nation as one Muslim Umma will give you success not only in this life but also in life after this.

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  • Atif
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:26PM

    ET has found another controversy to drag.. number of these people are few and far betweenRecommend

  • Scorpio
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:29PM

    When we say jeet hamari hogi it meant that since we are both one people it doesn’t really matter. I also wish you had mentioned the slaughter of Non- Bengalis at the hands of Bengalis in your article. Somehow that fact is always ignored . Please write about the plight of the Biharis in Bangladesh too. we have over one million Bengalis living in Karachi and yet we could not find it in our hearts to welcome Biharis into this country!Recommend

  • Chengez K
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:33PM

    What a silly article!!!

    The love between Pakistani nation & Bengladesh nation is in our blood.

    Yesterday was the only match I have seen in last 40 years where Pakistani people while regoicing were also sad for Bangladesh team.

    This was not a good sports feeling but rather genuine love that a brother has for another brother.

    The Sher Bengal stadium where this grand final was played is named after A K Fazlul Haq who drafted & moved Pakistan resolution on 23 rd March,1940.

    Our follies of 1971 cannot weaken the unbreakable bond that exists between these brothers.We are truly a case of two countries one nation.

    Long Live Pakistan….Long Live Bangla Desh

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  • ahsan ali soomro
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:36PM

    dear why you just talk about only one umma .we are first humain being than after muslm, cant you think on that . jub hi to islam haqooq ul ibaad ko haqooq ul allah se ziada ehmiyat di gaye hai

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  • Sana
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:38PM

    Only one spectator on a TV channel said that in response to our win in final that our win is Bangladesh win as well. I didn’t hear any news channel saying this. We Know that Bangladesh is an independent country and we do not view them as our part anymore. We got over them long ago and don’t wish them back. In other words, we respect their sovereignty. Recommend

  • x
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:49PM

    this is the first time i ever witnessed in a sport as nationally revered as cricket that even the joy of victory for pakistan was marred by the sadness for bangladesh. we are two separate countries and we respect their sovereignty but the love, feeling of brotherhood and unity is still so strong that our triumphs and losses seem one.
    Love to all brothers and sisters in Bangladesh. Would love to visit the country some day.

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  • H Chaudhry
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:50PM

    Tazeen Javed

    I am not sure where you heard or read these comments about Pakistanies. On what social media ? Any links or references ?

    chect ET stories on Asia Cup victory and read the comments ! you will get ample evidence to what you have written here.

    I hope I am wrong but this careless analysis of nation who is in a turmoil is wrong Recommend

  • Zalmai
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:52PM

    @ Scorpio

    When we say jeet hamari hogi it meant that since we are both one people it doesn’t really matter.

    If you consider Bangladesh your own people then by that logic India and Sri Lanka should also be considered brotherly nations because at the end of the day you are all one people, as in people of South Asia that share the same languages and culture. Don’t let religion get in the way of brotherly love and humanity.

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  • lgt
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:53PM

    India had never accepted our sovereignty and accepted the need for independence, hence the hatred and bias against us. we think the bengalis had a just cause and we do not grudge independence, we think it was their right and hence, today we love and respect bangladesh and feel so moved by their tears after the match that it takes away the triumph in our victory.
    Bangladesh and Pakistan, two countries, one heart.

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  • Abbas from the US
    Mar 23, 2012 - 10:57PM

    Veru well articulated article reminding readers of the painful seperation that one can read as history all over the world except the same history rendered different in Pakistan.

    I was very surprised to see the book by Sarmila Bose “Dead Reckoning” published by Oxford press in Pakistan available widely in English book shops such as liberty Books. The cheap edition compliments the Pakistani sense of victimhood prevalent while recalling that time in history. Since Sarmila counts on her illustrious pedigree to suceefully market revisionist history it is not surprising that Pakistanis feel inclined to lap up this version since it suits their own sense of identity and history.

    Close to four decades ago I met a Bangladeshi serving in their Embassy in Tehran. This is somewhere around 1972 or 73, not realizing the sense of injury that prevailed in the other side i made a insensitive remark abour being one country formerly, and found much to my regret immediately a sense of seperate history had now been translated into a national identity that equated a Pakistani with offering nothing but pain in words and deed.

    But reading the Pakistani response to the match in Dhaka in this commentary one can conclude that the insensitivity to the feelings of Bangladeshis is part of the Pakistani national Psyche.

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  • Ayman
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:26PM

    A Stupid Article, Just one side of the story like always. Blaming institutions for everything. Bah!

    Actually we never were a nation Quaid should have seen it in once he did not allow them Bengali as a second language. I think that was the beginning. Read Stanley Wolpert you will come to see few more reasons

    Split would always have been as painful as it was. So should we start balming the Quaid now for it.

    Sometimes let remarks go as they come and do not make a fuss about everything

    Everybody has a right to say what they want so let them say it.p>Recommend

  • Myra
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:28PM

    Its pathetic… I have traveled several times to dhaka and gracious bengalies are always over whelmed abt being ex pakistanis … They are never offended.. Recommend

  • Truthful Lie
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:49PM

    Well, i didn’t see any Bengali complaining against these slogans on social media or cricket ground..!!!!!Still i can’t understand how compare a cricket ground with a battle field?????? Moreover this essay is full of everything except a plain thing called “Continuity of ideas”…I am trying hard to decipher the real message/meaning in it…..Recommend

  • BlackJack
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:53PM

    @lgt:
    India had never accepted our sovereignty and accepted the need for independence, hence the hatred and bias against us.
    I dislike being crass, but India will not have you back even if you came begging, my friend. We didn’t want Bangladesh (with whom we enjoyed great relations at least durning Mujib’s time), and we definitely don’t you. Enjoy your independence.

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  • MarkH
    Mar 23, 2012 - 11:57PM

    It doesn’t matter if it meant something good or there were good intentions. What it comes down to is historical insecurities. People are going to dislike it and the case for it not happening is as simple as “you could say something which has a meaning that is unquestionably good and everyone will be happy.” Though whether or not that “unquestionably good” thing actually exists or not is questionable in itself as everything anyone says will usually annoy or offend at least one person. But, the argument still popularly holds because it’s a mix of sounding like common sense and a “should be” rather than common sense and a reality.
    That’s the thing about speaking. No matter what you say, if it doesn’t come out the right way, you’ll get a gross reaction, deserved or not. Which is where the phrase “think before you speak” comes from. Everyone is guilty of it at some point in time, some more often than others and it has one thing in common every time. No matter how silly it might be, the results are negative and you can’t really hide from it as the insecure ones who can cite a time in history where they were wronged are the loudest.

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  • Mirza
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:12AM

    I fully appreciate and understand the author’s point of view. The simple fact is the extent of atrocities and torture in East Pakistan cannot be brushed aside and become brothers. I have even read comments insinuating that we have captured Dhaka again. Everything cannot be normal and buddy buddy until we admit our mistakes, officially apologize and pay back their share at the time of their independence. It is not a trivial thing to sweep it under the rug after a mere game. It is not easy for the victims to forget the deaths of millions of people mostly civilians. I have lost all my classmates in Bangladesh forever.

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  • go65
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:18AM

    @lgt: “India had never accepted our sovereignty and accepted the need for independence”

    India has an embassy in Pakistan. Pakistan has an embassy in India. This means India HAS accepted Pakistan. Yeswe Indians (and that includes 150 million Muslims as well) do not accept the 2 Nation theory which says that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together in peace because we have proved that we can ( a few badd apples and unfortunate incidents notwitstanding).

    I know of no-one in India that wants to roll-back partition and merge with Pakistan (if someone wants that , it must be a very miniscule fringe group).Our rejection of 2 Nation theory is a vote for diversity. It is not by any means a disrespect for Pakistani sovereignty.

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  • Err
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:42AM

    Another whiny article. Why do liberals take things soo seriously? Maybe its because they live in a bubble and their source and samples for all their theories come from the world of twitter and facebook. Seriously I live abroad and I can tell you despite the bitter history there is no bad blood between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis, Bengalis are some of the sharpest people I have met (maybe because of how much fish they eat or like they call it mochi chowal). On a recent visit to Bangladesh not only were they extremely gracious hosts, they took the ex-pakistani teasing lightly and played along. Why make such a big deal about sovereignty, everyone, each and every pakistani respects bangla sovereignty but I can tell you the teasing is not so much down to us asserting our territory but infact brotherhood and kinship. There is alot of kinship and brotherhood betwen pakis and banglas, I know for a fact during the india v pak match, both the sri lankans and banglas were supporting pakistan. So my humble request is that pakistan and bangladesh have enough of their problems already, stop creating imaginary problems!!

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  • Anon.
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:46AM

    @blackjack
    Glad to see you put up a brave front. Cant say the same for all the hindutva and right wing extremists in your country who still nurse great resentment and hurt over the breakup of your Mother India (who some of you even consider a Goddess). Honestly, the feeling is likewise, glad to be living separately from you guys. Atleast I can eat a beef burger here without the fear of getting whacked,

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  • Arifq
    Mar 24, 2012 - 1:01AM

    It takes one Salman Rushdie to rile the Muslim world cause words can be offensive. I am with the writer on this issue, we should unequivocally condemn these fringe fanatics. By the way, our house was rooting for Bangladesh simply because it was a gutsy performance and they deserved to win.

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  • kaalchakra
    Mar 24, 2012 - 1:10AM

    It’s bigoted to divide Muslims between Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. We must teach our children the universal loving value that all Muslims are one nation, and all non-Muslims another nation.

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  • Falcon
    Mar 24, 2012 - 1:10AM

    Another one of those debbie downer articles. Pakistanis are not that insecure and not so insensitive. I have many great Bengali friends. We have left the painful past behind us and I can only hope that in time our Bengali brethren will forgive us.

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  • Imad
    Mar 24, 2012 - 1:28AM

    What applies to Bangladesh to Pakistan, also applies to Pakistan for India. If Bengalis and Pakistani’s are the same people, then Pakistani and Indians are also the same. By this analogy, this asia cup has gone to India kiunke “Pakistan bhi kabhi India tha”.

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  • Pinky
    Mar 24, 2012 - 2:04AM

    **those “foaming at the mouth”people want the sovereignty of Pakistan to be respected by US, BECAUSE of the DRONE STRIKES that kill & maim innocent Pakistanis!…..comparing that justifiable anger with harmless slogans & comments made in good faith, cheerful camaraderie, spirit of brotherhood etc is just plain sad :/

    Please, see the bright side! there was NOT a trace of malice, only feelings of goodwill for Bangladesh! :)

    you want to write about the biased nature of history books? by all means, do so…just dont drag cricket into it. our cricket & its fans have to put up with enough controversies as it is.**

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  • Mohammad Assad
    Mar 24, 2012 - 2:30AM

    ‘Hum jeetain ya woh, jeet tau Pakistan ki hi hogee’ (whether they win or us, the victory is Pakistan’s)……i think this meant that who ever won amongst Pak or BD, at least India didnt.

    ‘East or West, Pakistan is the best’, ‘kyunki Bangladesh bhi kabhi Pakistan tha’ (because Bangladesh was once Pakistan)….and this was to soften the blow of defeat (if it occurred) since people were saying Pakistan was going to throw the match to get BD to tour us.

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  • Mar 24, 2012 - 3:14AM

    You forgot the following:

    No Bangali player paid any sort of respect to the Pakistani team, when Pakistanis showered them with praise repeatedly after the victory.

    Bangali crowd was pretty clear with no display of sportsmanship for Pakistani winners.

    Remember Hasina Wajed? The PM? She left before the award ceremony!

    Let’s some balanced writer write about that too! Even the Indian crowd and Govt has been more openhearted in such moments.

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  • Salim Ansari
    Mar 24, 2012 - 4:38AM

    @lgt: India had never accepted our sovereignty and accepted the need for independence, hence the hatred and bias against us.

    False notion. I have come across Indians at work – thay all say partition was good for them. One of them explained it – the lands that do not make up todays India are lost to Islam in any case, so the partition was not a loss for India at all. Even the Muslim Indian people I came across were not too keen on the united Ummah concept – they say nation is above Ummah. No true Muslim will say that. Thats what you get when there are no Islamiyat Studies.

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  • ashok
    Mar 24, 2012 - 5:27AM

    Good article for soul searching by Pakistanis.

    In 1947, Jinnah thought Pakistan would be like a bird with two wings; unfortunately in 1971 its army turned out like a flesh-eating wounded vulture after one of its wing got cut in an internecine war; This army has developed a taste for human blood whether Muslim or non-Muslim. No one ever got tried or punished for committing heinous crimes against humanity, genocide of 3 million fellow citizens and rape of 300,000 innocent females in 1971 civil war. One can Google causality figures from neutral sources who agree that it was a genocide.

    Since 1979 more than 10 million Afghans have been killed in never ending war caused by the policies adopted by Pakistan establishment which are still operational in Balochistan.

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  • SoundofFury
    Mar 24, 2012 - 6:38AM

    @Anon.:
    “Glad to see you put up a brave front. Cant say the same for all the hindutva and right wing extremists in your country who still nurse great resentment and hurt over the breakup of your Mother India”

    You must be joking, the last thing the right wing of India wants to do is absorb millions of Muslims into India. Why Pakistanis seem fixated on India not seeing them as a separate state is beyond me.

    “Honestly, the feeling is likewise, glad to be living separately from you guys. Atleast I can eat a beef burger here without the fear of getting whacked”

    Muslims (and Hindus) can eat beef (or pork) in India genius. India is not some religious state like Pakistan.

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  • Rehman
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:06AM

    I am pretty sure that only certain people from a cetain province in Pakistan consider bangladesh as east pak. People from Sindh, KPK and Balochistan have no such illusions.

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  • vasan
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:34AM

    kaalchakra: This kind of religious bigotry identifying oneself not with the state he resides/citizen of but to identify with other muslims in other nations is the root cause of problems

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  • ashok
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:46AM

    Kaalchakra

    Broaden your horizon by listening or reading the interview of Maula Abul Kalam Azad, which he gave in 1946 to Shorish Kashmiri predicting the future of Pakistan of Jinnah. How visionary and accurate he was!

    http://www.pakistanherald.com/Program/Aaj-Kamran-Khan-ke-sath-March-23-2012-Kamran-Khan-10106

    BTW, Pakistan and Bangladesh are divided by the dead bodies of 3 million East Pakistani murdered in 1971 genocide committed by Punjabi Muslim Pakistan army…. unless one believes in “Muslims killing Muslims …wink wink nod nod”

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  • BlackJack
    Mar 24, 2012 - 8:27AM

    @Anon.:
    Dude, there is no brave front – I don’t subscribe to the view of redrawing borders anywhere, as no nation in the post-colonial world has yet managed to subvert an occupied people without doing significant damage to itself (at least economically like the US). However, even the most rabid rightwinger in India does not have a solution for this either; they may be misty-eyed over the land, but aren’t over the people who currently live there :). We possess the capability (and freedom) to see God in many aspects of life (and in any form we choose), including the land we live in; but this should not be that foreign to you – after all muslims do subscribe to the Old Testament view of the holy land, don’t they?

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  • Mr. Righty rightist
    Mar 24, 2012 - 8:57AM

    Dear author,

    completely agree with you. However, you don’t have to go to any social networking site to see such small minded Pakistanis. There were right here on this website. Look at the comment section http://tribune.com.pk/story/353564/asia-cup-final-bangladesh-bowl-first-against-pakistan/ to see how ugly Pakistani mindset is.

    Whenever I read through the comments in cases of conversion and related to Ummah (like this case you are referring to), I find Pakistanis extremely delusional, narrow minded, bigoted and completely withdrawn from the truth.

    It’s almost like Pakistanis live in one reality but think in an alternate reality. In the reality they live in, Different sects, echnicities, races within Pakistan kill each other on a daily basis (whether in Karachi or Balochistan or Pakhtunkhwa!). WHITE skinned muslims hate BLACK skinned muslims. Beef eating muslims hate fish eating muslims. However, in the alternate reality their minds live in, The entire 1.5 billion Muslims of the world are united, they live in a paradise ruled by Sharia, Muslim of different color and nationality form one identity, Muslims never harm muslims!!

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  • Arindom
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:04AM

    NO to Pakistan if they beg to be part of India!! First get rid of Extremism in your life!!

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  • Mr. Righty rightist
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:12AM

    @Anon who writes “Honestly, the feeling is likewise, glad to be living separately from you guys. Atleast I can eat a beef burger here without the fear of getting whacked”

    So, you wanted a seperate country so you can eat your beef burger peacefully? Such deep thoughts. I wonder if Jinnah agrees with you!!!

    By the way, which is worse? Getting whacked while eating beef burgers or getting blown to pieces while eating beef burgers?

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  • Mr. Righty rightist
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:17AM

    @lgt who writes “India had never accepted our sovereignty and accepted the need for independence, hence the hatred and bias against us.”

    Is this what your history books teach you?

    If India has hatred and bias against you, then why DID you wage wars against India?

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  • MADAN
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:52AM

    I really wonder if both Indian and pakistan govt decide to forgo their hostilities and open up their borders like Canada and USA , then they might actually be making a savings by cutting down on military hardware, soldiers and the money saved could go into developmental activities like, Health, education, sport, food and cultural activity like expanding and exchange of Punjabi, sindhi and other languages of this region. But first the mind set of the govts should change and one must learn to be tolerant of people of other faith and not try to ethnically cleanse the population of other faith from the region. { eg. Hindus, christains, shias, ahmediyas etc].This would bring prosperity, stability hope in the region.

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  • INDIAN
    Mar 24, 2012 - 10:00AM

    @blackjack
    I am a hindu and I do eat beef burger and no body gives damn.Do not think that what holds true in pakistan applies to india as well

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  • Whatgoesaroundcomesaround
    Mar 24, 2012 - 10:37AM

    @Salim Ansari: yea no brainwashing! Sorry but we are Indian first and strongly believe in “Hindu Muslim Sikh Isai aapas mein hum bhai bhai”. We respect our pluralism and all religious groups live side by side and take part in each other religious events. Look what you did with your minorities !! Rape, target killing, second class citizenship to minorities … shame on you!

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  • Supressed, Opressed, Depressed
    Mar 24, 2012 - 10:54AM

    Thankyou! Finally someone has written on this. These idiots who have never interacted with Bengalis just know how to blabber.

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  • WhatTheWhaa?
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:15AM

    @author
    your sensitivities towards bangladesh sovereignty have been hurt by facebook comments. Are you sensitivities regarding our sovereignty hurt when US continues to violate our territory every other day with drone strikes because I havent seen such a raging article from you regarding those violations. Or are certain violations of sovereignty (drone strikes) okay compared to the those you mentioned?
    And no im not from the ghairat brigade

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  • Anon
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:19AM

    @SoundofFury
    Yes thanks for the newsflash, thankfully the internet allows me to do a fact check. In India ALOT of states criminalise the slaughter of cows infact they have recently only increased not only a fine but even added imprisonment. So please India’s secular credentials are a facade, their record against minorities is not so bright either!!!!

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  • Err..
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:26AM

    @Imad
    Actually no it doesnt apply. India only got a seperate identity when Pakistan became independent. We both fought the British Raj and then Pakistan became indepdent on 14 August and Indian became indepedent on 15 August. And by that logic the cup technically goes to England. So please Pakistan was never part of India. These two identities came into existence AFTER fighting the brits for independence.

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  • Erum Zehra
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:35AM

    I agree with you 100%….i would feel the same if India started saying things like that to us…Let Bangladesh be a separate nation and boasting abt them being “one of us before the partition” interprets it as we cudnt take care of our brothers when they needed us. Im shameful about it and appreciate not boasting about how the world “conspired” against us to get rid of our very own brothers:|

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  • Truth Seeker
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:36AM

    @Author:

    Without mentioning the Operation Jackpot – name says all – launched by Indian Army and its implications, you wouldn’t be doing justice to history. Not all Bengalis wanted to break away from West Pakistan. I had only one chance to meet a Bengali student abroad, apparently from educated upper class, and he told me that they were mislead by their leaders and were the victim of Indian conspiracy and they still consider us Pakistanis like the same old brothers.

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  • x
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:44AM

    India’s secularism is mere hogwash, muslims are still considered second class citizens. and only those muslims do well who do not know or practice their religion, marry hindus and strive to become a part of ‘them’. Islamophobia reigns supreme in india.
    as for terrorism, india has its share of extremist groups and intellliegence funded terroris groups. shiv sena anyone/

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  • Truth Seeker
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:50AM

    @ashok:

    “Good article for soul searching by Pakistanis.”

    For you I would say “baghal main churri, monh pay ram ram” and give following links for your own soul searching.

    Operation Jackpot – wikipedia.org
    According to official figures, 43,000 Kashmiris have been killed – CNN
    Mass Graves Hold Thousands, Kashmir Inquiry Finds – New York Times
    Over 145,000 Sikhs have been killed, tortured and remain missing – wintess84.com

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  • Khalid Munir
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:58AM

    An excellent article Tazeen. This Umma party doesnt realize that East Pakistan got rid of us and payed a very heavy price for their independence unlike us who got it for free. Any one coming up to call the communal riots after 3 june 1947, when pakistan was declared a separate nation, as qurbani is wrong.
    How would we feel if Indians also coin this theory in a Pakistan vs India match calling it an India Vs India Match.

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  • Truthbetold
    Mar 24, 2012 - 12:39PM

    @Abbas from the US:

    Excellent comments.

    On your following comment:

    “I was very surprised to see the book by Sarmila Bose “Dead Reckoning” published by Oxford press in Pakistan available widely in English book shops such as liberty Books. The cheap edition compliments the Pakistani sense of victimhood prevalent while recalling that time in history. Since Sarmila counts on her illustrious pedigree to suceefully market revisionist history it is not surprising that Pakistanis feel inclined to lap up this version since it suits their own sense of identity and history.”

    In all likelihood, Sarmila Bose was in cahoots with the Pakistani establishment. The Pak establishment has routinely hired paid foreign “analysts” to write articles and books to spread the Establishment propaganda. Sarmila Bose was a strong lobbyist several years ago to persuade the US to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan. Obviously, she can’t be an objective and unbiased writer.

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  • arjun
    Mar 24, 2012 - 1:35PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    Shall we list the attacks on shias THIS year
    shall we list the attacks on ahmadis THIS year
    shall we list the muslim killed by taliban THIS week
    shall we count how many minorities were converted THIS month
    shall we list the number of nonmuslim who left Pakistan THIS month
    the list goes on but arrogance that is based on religion never goes…. a destiny that will destroy the future of your children. Shame.

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  • abdulazeez
    Mar 24, 2012 - 2:17PM

    Bangladeshi’s are more attached to Indians than pakis ..Even in last years World cup semi final 95% Bagladeshi’s support India Team.Recommend

  • lodhi
    Mar 24, 2012 - 2:59PM

    We pakistanis have the same culture and same history as the north Indians have.I donot find any similarity with Bengal or South India.Whenever I stay abroad I feel more comfortable with North indians due to language,food Dress, movies and music.. Arabs dont mix up with us. even on Eid. Same is the case with Bengalis who are very nice people but are different from us in all respects except for religious beliefs.But they are different in religious values too. They are more moderate and tolerant .

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  • MADAN
    Mar 24, 2012 - 3:23PM

    The Muslim league was established in 1906 by the name”The Indian muslim league” and the idea of pakistan was germinated in 1940. So get your facts right. Read neutral history books and not written by mullahs.

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  • XYZ
    Mar 24, 2012 - 3:42PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    Also let us know how many Baluchis got killed in last one year alone.

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  • SoundofFury
    Mar 24, 2012 - 4:31PM

    @x:

    “India’s secularism is mere hogwash, muslims are still considered second class citizens. and only those muslims do well who do not know or practice their religion, marry hindus and strive to become a part of ‘them’. Islamophobia reigns supreme in india.”

    And you know this because? You have lived in India for awhile? Interesting that a bunch of Pak Muslims who have never stepped foot in India presume to speak for the experiences of the vast majority of Indian Muslims. I do not exactly see hordes of Indian Muslims running over to Pakistan, maybe then I would be convinced.

    “as for terrorism, india has its share of extremist groups and intellliegence funded terroris groups. shiv sena anyone/”

    Shiva Sena may hold right wing views as a political party but I have never heard of it having a militant wing that conducts terror operations.

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  • Mar 24, 2012 - 4:36PM

    @arjun:
    Stop worrying about us, or in fact stop obsessing about us. We will make it through or destroy ourselves but that will be our choice. Why haven’t you and your friends have realised that in over 65 years now that we are a separate country with no intention of “joining a Union”.

    Please take care of world’s largest malnourished population outside Africa first, we shalt meet when you are done solving that!

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  • Err
    Mar 24, 2012 - 4:50PM

    @arjun
    You dont need to list the number of minorities killed in Pakistan because unlike you WE DONT whitewash our record okay?? Frankly even if I disagree with the author’s over dramatising of what I think is lighthearted banter, I still agree with other relevant points that yes there are alot of inter-ethnic inter-sect issues in Pak which need to be worked on. And that is the beauty of Pakistanis, we are OUR OWN harshest critics. Unlike Indians who come to ET and put up a holy act, when the reality is they themselves have the same problems back home. Anyone can pick up the newspaper and see the way Dalits get thrashed for converting, the way churches and mosques have been attacked in India. Just because your constitution says you are secular doesnt mean you have a squeaky record, dont hide behind secular credentials when you cant put it practice. And especially dont come here and preach if you dont follow the same.
    Point is my friend this is not a competition, we know we have problems that need to work on but so do you. So please dont throw rocks inside a glasshouse.

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  • Anon.
    Mar 24, 2012 - 5:12PM

    @BlackJack
    When you put it that way I agree, the problems we currently face are westphalian in nature and a post-colonial conundrum. For example, the US keeps harping on and on about Pakistan not protecting Afghan borders etc. But what these westerners dont realise is that unlike Pakistan, Afghanistan still doesnt officially recognised the Durrand Lines as a border because it cuts through the heartland of Pashtunistan. It is so normal for 100′s of pashtun tribes to live on both sides of the border, and many people go and back and forth to work to visit families etc. so yes thedrawn borders are a problem. But in principle despite the fact there are more muslims in India (250 million compare to pak population of 180 million) a seperate nation for Muslims in the form of Pakistan was important, so that we could live the way we want to. I dont see all indians as black and white, unless someone (like most of the obnoxious commenters from the otherside) force me to retort, but Muslims face alot of problems in India, despite India’s secular constitution there are alot of con-existence issues, and every now and then violence breaks out between the communities. So when I see issues like Gujrat happen and Babri Masjid happen, and the fact for years the perpetrators were not brought to justice, makes me glad that my ancestors migrated and we have our country to be part of where we can live freely.

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  • Truth Seeker
    Mar 24, 2012 - 5:59PM

    @XYZ:
    “Also let us know how many Baluchis got killed in last one year alone.”

    The same old game is on as was in case of East Pakistan. Buy some people by paying them enormous amounts, train them, arm them, and use them to stage the initial drama. Then use your agents to start bomb blasts and targeted killings on both sides and using your stooges in media to start a propaganda war. We have seen this in East Pakistan and now we see this in case of TTP, BLA and others. The old very familiar game.Isn’t it.

    Check “Operation Jackpot” and you will know who and how many Baluchis are killed.

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  • farooq
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:10PM

    Dear Author:
    I am a bangladeshi, and I am 58 yrs old. I have seen first hand blood bath unleashed by pakistani army on the streets of Dhaka, that fateful day. I wish pakistani authorities taught correct history to their youngers in school. Truth, no matter how painful is always better than the lies spread in the school text book on history of Pakistan. Alas, people of Pakistan are not learning the truth, and creating another similar situation in Blochistan.

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  • Rehman
    Mar 24, 2012 - 7:31PM

    @Anon

    What makes you think that Muslims here are better off than Indian Muslims. The fact that you have a house, computer, 3 times food does not mean that all Pakistani Muslims are as well off as you.

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  • ashok
    Mar 24, 2012 - 8:28PM

    @Truth Seeker

    You can not come up with more than 200,000 killed in all insurgencies in the last 65 years in India, a country of 1200 MILLION people of different religions.

    I admit that 43,000 Jehadi Kashmiris may have been killed in the last 23 years since 1989 when Pakistan started infiltration of Jehadis relocated from Afghanistan “liberated” by Mujahideen. So the average would be LESS THEN 2000 KILLED PER YEAR during the insurgency actively supported by a nuclear-armed neighbor.

    Graves of terrorists sent by Pakistan in Kashmir at least show that their dead bodies were given last ritual according to Islam by Indian army unlike Pakistan army who kidnaps their own Muslim citizens in day light without any notice, then either sells them to USA to collect blood money (Line of Fire by Musharraf) or dump their mutilated bodies on remote roads to be eaten by wild animals. This is still happening in Balochistan and the Supreme Court of Pakistan is hearing the case since last 2 years without any cooperation from the army until now.

    Pakistan army killed around 3 MILLION fellow citizens in 1971 until they surrendered to Indian army on December 16, 1971.

    Call me when the rate of killing in India reaches that level.

    Some human beings lack reflecting SOUL under their SOLE. Are you one of them?

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  • Ayesha
    Mar 24, 2012 - 8:38PM

    Pls don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill. If a few Pakistanis refuse to accept BD this does not translate into official policy of the state of Pakistan. Just like one US congressman’s call for Baloch independence is not official US policy. ET opinion writers seem to have a one point agenda: find innovate ways to bash Pakistan.Recommend

  • Truth Seeker
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:26PM

    @arjun:
    “@Truth Seeker:
    Shall we list the attacks on …..
    the list goes on… a destiny that will destroy the future of your children. Shame.”

    I fully agree with your conclusion and the shame is on us for going against the advice of the nation’s father. In his historic speech of Aug 11, 1947 to the Constituent Assembly, the Quaid said: “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State.”

    I admit that we have grave problems of religious intolerance and extremism which needs to be addressed ASAP. However, having said that, I would also like to mention that one of the major contributor to these problems is the role of your intelligence agency RAW in financing, training and arming these extremists/terrorists working against Pakistan in order to divert world’s focus from Kashmir issue.

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  • Sheikhoo
    Mar 24, 2012 - 9:29PM

    Accepted Bangladesh is a soveriegn country now but there are a lot of positive sentiments around for eachother and all the utterings and sayings reflect the fact. It is not a one way affair that only Pakistanis are saying this, just see the support of Bangalis to Pakistan when Pakistan played against some other country, including India, in the same venue. They all were up and chanting and bucking up Pakistan. It showed their inner feelings for Pakistan. So we love our brothers in Bangladesh and all these words show this. As far India is concerned, well, we have a lot of differences and India should not be compared with Bangladesh.

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  • unbeliever
    Mar 24, 2012 - 11:20PM

    @Truth Seeker:
    you referred to this operation jackpot numerous times.
    yes we were complicit. what else was the option? with millions of your citizens eating our food, living on our land, what should we have done? send our army to die for you? well that was bengalis struggle to throw of killers, and we helped them?

    what about your record? didn’t you train sikh insurgents in your country?
    aren’t you proud of sending insurgents in kashmir to kill to wreak havoc?

    the day kashmiris start entering your pakistan, start eating your food, by depriving your own citizens, you will have the moral right and obligation to relieve them of indian domination, and don’t bother i’ll be beside you? but if kashmiris want to join pakistan because they want to live under sharia, they can cross into your side and live happily ever after.

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  • ali
    Mar 27, 2012 - 2:13PM

    slam
    that was a bad day when east pak saprated from pakistan
    on behind this there was an international loby working
    u think that which one 5year manbubha is worked in pakistan in the history of 6o year only that one when v r with presant bangladash
    thats why intrnational loby worked u seprate us
    if v together than today v r not at this satuation
    in this our laeder r also involve
    if they give the p.m saet to majuib ur rahman than nothing happaned like this
    but
    now this is my pray that ALLAH shows His blessing on pak and bangal both
    bangladash and pakistani r brothers

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