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Presidential immunity clause: Justice Ramday playing politics, alleges Aitzaz

Published: January 24, 2012

Premier’s counsel says president need not seek immunity from court, as implied by NRO judgment author.

LAHORE: 

The face of the lawyers movement in 2007, Aitzaz Ahsan, scathingly dismissed on Monday Justice (retd) Khalilur Rehman Ramday’s public statements on the presidential immunity issue, in a rare statement against a member of the judiciary. 

Referring to the retired judge’s statements on a private television on Sunday, the prime minister’s counsel in the Supreme Court contempt notice case said that if Ramday wanted to play politics, he should do so “openly”.  Ahsan was speaking to journalists outside the Lahore High Court (LHC) premises.

“I respect Mr Ramday, but I feel sorry for him. He is the author of the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) judgment. He has put his honour at stake. He should have not spoken on a sub-judice (currently under trial) matter,” Ahsan said, pointing out that the mandatory two-year embargo on making public statements after the judge’s retirement had not yet ended.

On Sunday, Justice (retd) Ramday had stated that whoever wants immunity should come to court to seek it, and couldn’t presume it while sitting at home. The retired judge held that, “People who are thinking like this should imagine that if such things are allowed then dacoits, murderers, gang rapists will also think after the crime that they are immune”.

Even more controversially, Ramday added it would be a ‘blessing in disguise for the nation’ that the SC will interpret Article 248 (referring to presidential immunity) which is being sought after two years and two months.

Ahsan’s response was: “Ramday had started to answer, one-sidedly, what I was supposed to argue in the court”. Referring to a controversial case presided over by Justice Ramday in the past on illegal multi-storey buildings in Lahore, he said “the buildings in Lahore are still witness to Ramday’s one-sided decisions”.

Ahsan pointedly dismissed Ramday’s opinion, saying the president did not need to approach a court to seek immunity, adding that the prime minister never committed contempt of court by not writing a letter to the Swiss courts.

Drawing an audacious parallel, he said that if someone moved a petition against the Chief Justice (CJ) of Pakistan or the CJ of the LHC, the registrar offices of both courts would not accept such petitions because cases cannot be filed against chief justices. In such a case, the CJs would not approach courts to seek immunity, he said, adding that likewise, the president did not need to move the court for immunity.

On the issue of writing letters to the Swiss government, he said: “it’s irrelevant as the president enjoys complete immunity in Pakistan and Switzerland,” reiterating that a letter could only be written after the expiry of the president’s tenure.

Referring to the time he opposed former president Pervez Musharraf’s immunity plea before the SC under Article 248, Aitzaz made it clear that, back then, the case in question entailed civil proceedings, unlike President Asif Ali Zardari, who is facing criminal proceedings.

Aitzaz’s criticism of Ramday, however, doesn’t mean he’s given up his strict stance on respecting the role of the judiciary. Responding to a question, he said he became the prime minister’s counsel on certain conditions. “I have asked the prime minister [to ensure] that government officials stop spewing venom against the Supreme Court. And the prime minister will not go to the SC by leading a political procession,” he said – adding both conditions had been honoured so far.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 24th, 2012.

Reader Comments (10)

  • Rana
    Jan 24, 2012 - 11:15AM

    After all barrister sahib have to run his kitchen as well…Enough is enough he may have contributed a lot more than expected for the right cause……

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  • Mirza
    Jan 24, 2012 - 12:06PM

    The retired govt officials should not break the law and not jump into politics till 2 years after retirement. PCO SC judges love politics and are addicted to it. Retired judges and generals must be stopped from politics.

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  • karachi
    Jan 24, 2012 - 12:24PM

    fancy kitchen…

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  • Shuaib
    Jan 24, 2012 - 2:55PM

    Question is did he really indulge in politics all he was doing was clarifying and reiterating the NRO judgement! I think its becoming clear Aitezaz is the one who is playing politics! If the matter is sub judice as he says then why is he making comments about immunity outside the courtroom and saying president doesn’t need to claim it etc!

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  • haris
    Jan 24, 2012 - 3:08PM

    @Mirza:

    Ramday had stated that whoever wants immunity should come to court to seek it, and couldn’t presume it while sitting at home. The retired judge held that, “People who are thinking like this should imagine that if such things are allowed then dacoits, murderers, gang rapists will also think after the crime that they are immune”.
    Even more controversially, Ramday added it would be a ‘blessing in disguise for the nation’ that the SC will interpret Article 248 (referring to presidential immunity) which is being sought after two years and two months.

    Can you please highlight any political point mentioned in the statement that he has made?

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  • mr akhter
    Jan 24, 2012 - 10:03PM

    So its ok for aitizaz to comment on the case he is contesting for FREE and justice Ramday should not give his expert opinion. How hypocritical.Recommend

  • butt jee
    Jan 24, 2012 - 10:51PM

    @Mirza:
    Justice Ramday’s statement is purely a legal explanation. It Aitezaz himself who is politicizing this simple legal statement.

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  • butt jee
    Jan 24, 2012 - 10:54PM

    No justification for corruption and no immunity for those who have plundered the national wealth. Aitezaz should prove his loyalty with the countryRecommend

  • Faisal
    Jan 24, 2012 - 10:57PM

    Oh really? By the way what exactly are you doing differently Mr. Clean and Competent Atizaz Ahsan??? you are also doing politics..That’s we are witnessing from last 7 years and you have major hand in ruining this country

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  • Dr Azhar mukhtar sindhu
    Feb 14, 2012 - 4:24PM

    Future is of that of supreme court now in pakistan.
    Judges have assumed the role of executive’s.
    The work that ought to be done by ASI or patwari is now being done by suomoto.
    Parliment is not allowes to work,neither latter has strength enough to impeach the popular judges”
    Unfortune to say,in the time of crisis even crows show unionism except politicians which prefered to side be supreme court instead of parliment

    Judges becomes v active” during democratic setup, and when it comes to generals they give them “3 years even to play with constitution.

    Its v hard to digest.

    Lets digest it in the name of evolution”

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