Bogey: JF-17 ‘Thunder’ crash jolts plans to sell aircraft

Published: November 15, 2011

Pilot dies after his parachute failed to open. PHOTO: AFP

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s ambitions to sell JF-17 fighter jets to prospective buyers suffered a setback on Monday when one of the aircraft in the ‘Thunder’ fleet crashed in Attock district during a routine flight, killing the pilot.

The tragic incident took place a day after Pakistan Air Force (PAF) exhibited the jets for sale at the Dubai Air Show, at a price almost one third of conventional F-16 fighter jets.

The jet crashed near Mansar Town after taking off from Kamra Airbase.

Although PAF officials did not offer any comments on the crash, several media reports highlighted that the jet was a frontline JF-17 Thunder combat manufactured with cooperation of China.

An official statement released by PAF authorities, however, did not mention the make of the plane. “A PAF jet aircraft, while on a routine training mission, crashed due to technical malfunction,” it said.

The PAF is in process to equip itself with two squadrons of JF-17 jets at present and planning to raise another squadron by early next year.

Media reports suggested that the pilot, Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain, was killed as his parachute did not open after he bailed out of the aircraft. The pilot’s body was found about two kilometers from the site of the crash.

“The pilot was fatally injured. No loss of civilian life or property has been reported on ground,” added the statement.

The law enforcement agencies cordoned off the area after the incident. PAF rescue teams have launched an operation to clear the debris after dispatching helicopters and rescue teams to the crash site.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has ordered an inquiry into the mishap, a PAF official told The Express Tribune. JF-17 Thunder was jointly manufactured by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra and China Aero-technology Import Export Corporation.

Published in The Express Tribune, November 15th,  2011.

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Reader Comments (175)

  • Acorn Guts
    Nov 14, 2011 - 2:22PM

    It seems the pilot did not reach ground safely after a concious ejection. May Allah bless his soul and may he rest in peace.

    Another Pakistani news agency has posted photos of the crash site and it certainly looks like a JF-17 and this just increases my sadness. This would be the first JF-17 that has crashed during service, not to mention the bad timing. We are trying to sell a few of these at Dubai airshow.

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  • Nine-Zero Karachi
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:20PM

    Now the will have to sell the JF-17 as Buy 1 and Get 1 Free !

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  • Amin
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:33PM

    Well, what do you expect from a made in China aircraft?

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  • not saying
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:35PM

    Hopefully, this will have an affect Pakistan’s hopes to sell this to other unwary nations.

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  • Saad
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:35PM

    Sad incident.

    On the upside if it would have happened earlier Ahmed Mukhtar would have had to change his sales pitch at the Dubai Air Show.

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  • Nov 14, 2011 - 3:38PM

    R I P Squadron Leader-

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  • Why????
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:41PM

    Now the deal is four jf-17 for the price of one f-16

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  • PoorPeace!
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:48PM

    Now we know why it is being sold at 1/3rd the price of F-16.

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  • Meekal Ahmed
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:50PM

    @Nine-Zero Karachi:

    I think your comment is in very bad taste since there has been loss of life and I am amazed that the moderator did not choose to refuse to publish it.

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  • Sao Lao
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:56PM

    May Allah bless his soul and grant this shaheed a place in jannah.

    machines come and go, but loss of such brave individual is cannot be compensated

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  • Sao Lao
    Nov 14, 2011 - 3:59PM

    @Nine-Zero Karachi:
    You sound seriously silly. A brother has embraced shahadat and thats what you come up with?

    and btw, where is it written that “buy one get one free”. A minister made a comment (which btw nowhere like yours) and you guys think thats the statement of Pakistan Air Force.

    Cut the other crap pleaseRecommend

  • Malatesh
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:01PM

    I wonder why no Pakistani is saying RAW, CIA conspiracy.. :-)

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  • Roflcopter
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:07PM

    No one’s gonna buy JF17 now

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  • Nov 14, 2011 - 4:12PM

    Incident must be investigated and reports be brought before the nations to face the realities so that they might evaluate and assess, where nation’s position stand.

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  • sun rise
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:12PM

    new discount at- You can buy four of our aircraft for one F-16

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  • Faraz
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:23PM

    It’s just a machine & accidents happen with all aircrafts
    F 16s were crashing in Thailand too didn’t see any comments on those…..
    Kindly show some respect for the martyred pilot at least
    Unfortunately as a nation we have become negative minded about everything

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  • Chand
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:23PM

    Should INDIA buy Couple of JF-17 @right price ????

    Yes it is complicated… but lets check pros-cons….

    NOTE : I am Indian…..

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  • Aamer Khawaja
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:25PM

    @Nine-Zero Karachi.
    Thats why we know your party is anti-Pakistan

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  • Shahid Kureshi
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:27PM

    A truly sad day indeed, both for the country and the family as well. May the Almighty grant the family of the shaheed, the patience and fortitude to bear this loss. Ameen.

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  • KB
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:30PM

    The person has embraced shahdat and look at all these people – no wonder, we live in a world where we deserve to be punished for being so insensitive. Don’t worry, what goes around comes around.

    RIP.

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  • Sao Lao
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:31PM

    @Malatesh:
    No freaking humanity in these indiansRecommend

  • JaySabir
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:35PM

    @Nine-Zero Karachi: how cheap!

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  • R S JOHAR
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:38PM

    A wrong time for crash when this aircraft has been put on sale, which might affect its prospects.

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  • Nov 14, 2011 - 4:38PM

    A very precious asset of Pakistan is destroyed along with pilot, big loss to Pakistan.

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  • Mariam.b
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:38PM

    A man in uniform died that is what should bother us .. In any case u cannot comprehend it

    RIP sir .. RespectRecommend

  • Tony Singh
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:42PM

    Its not the first fighter jet that has crashed and it won’t be the last. These things happen

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  • Anil
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:42PM

    @Meekal Ahmed:
    +1 , how inhumane have we become

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  • Nair
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:43PM

    The aircraft stalled due to bird strike, but more importantly what failed was the Martin Baker ejection seat that killed the pilot. It has nothing to do with made in China, or its price!

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  • THE
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:47PM

    The comments from Indians and some other lunatics here are in very bad taste. I hope you have the spin to take the comments when there is a plane down on your side of the border!
    I couldn’t care less if the PAF sold even a single JF-17 but I feel sad for Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain and his family. May Allah bless his soul and give his family alot of courage.

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  • Wowemkay
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:48PM

    Nine zero is pathetic and obviously has a callous disregard for human life and tragedy. Yes, Chinese fighter aircraft have had a long history of problems with the PAF and elsewhere, but sadly, the US and France aren’t waiting to sell their aircraft the moment we ask. The JF-17 crash will just have to be carefully analysed and if the aircraft was faulty, both Pakistan and China will have to work zealously to assure improved, if not fool-proof reliability. More shocking than the aircraft loss is the fact that the parachute did not open and that is extremely rare these days.

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  • THE
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:54PM

    @Nine-Zero Karachi: We sure know which Anti-Pakistan political party you belong to my friend!

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  • rizwan
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:55PM

    Gauging performance of JF 17 solely on single incident is not a sensible approach.

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  • Junaid Khaliq
    Nov 14, 2011 - 4:56PM

    This is a sad incident. May the pilot rest in peace.
    I’m really not impressed how these planes are being marketed. 3 JF-17 for the price of 1 F-16, i mean come on, its just like those telemarketing commercials on TV. Seems like a joke this whole campaign. JF-17 have been fairly reliable, even the prototypes had very few accidents, don’t really know what might have been the problem here, will have to wait for the crash report. Also the crash could not have happened on a worst time.

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  • Khurram Dastageer
    Nov 14, 2011 - 5:01PM

    Yesterday when i compared this to a latrine soap i was given lectures. Thats why i said
    we have to make our own planes along with our muslim brothers. Please understand
    this while IAF is getting planes according to their needs we are getting cheap planes which
    are for poorer countries. No compromise with our defences. We Pakistanis will pay every
    dime so that our brave men has the best machine up there.

    P.S- Also , my brothers our religion told us not to make fun of others. The 30 year old failed
    aircraft Teja has not crashed. My Indian brothers sorry for the fun i have made.Please forgive
    us Pakistanis. Dont make fun of us .Plzzzzzzzz

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  • Nov 14, 2011 - 5:05PM

    I deeply sadden with the said demise of a brilliant pilot and JF-17 Thunder. May Allah grant him jannat ul firdous. While it is regrettable, serious thought must be put in place on the efficiency of this much publicized thunder air craft. First Pakistan is exhibiting in Dubai to market the jet under very tougher competition, its efficiency and sad story that the parachute did not open. People shall take it as a typical Pakistani efficiency.

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  • AB
    Nov 14, 2011 - 5:16PM

    Never mind the aircraft.It is the loss of the pilot which saddens me.Recommend

  • azaz
    Nov 14, 2011 - 5:23PM

    I m sad to hear it…

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  • Shahbaz Younis
    Nov 14, 2011 - 5:40PM

    R.I.P to Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain

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  • Acorn Guts
    Nov 14, 2011 - 5:44PM

    I remember the name tag ‘HUSSAIN’ stuck to one of the gallant pilots that stood proudly before two fantastic looking JF-17′s when I last visited farnborough air festival. What are the chances but still, all my prayers are with the pilot. Tragic loss.

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  • optimist
    Nov 14, 2011 - 5:58PM

    @ Malatesh

    Unlike India, we will wait for investigation report before blaming RAW!!! Timing does suggest something suspicious!

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  • optimist
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:01PM

    @ Tony Singh

    “Its not the first fighter jet that has crashed and it won’t be the last.
    These things happen”

    So true!!!

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  • Nov 14, 2011 - 6:01PM

    I recall when Eurofighter Typhoon prototype crashed…guess what..they’re still being operated and doing well in foreign markets.

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  • Please answer
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:02PM

    the griphens of sweded suffered a crash in an airshow. these things do happen, but we mush have pride that we have been able to design an aircraft and now manufacture it. The shaheed pilot my be blessed and the accident may give us an opportunity to rectify mistakes.

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  • rehmat
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:08PM

    @Meekal Ahmed:
    I agree with you Sir. Regardless of nationality, this is not the time for anyone to express joy at someone’s misfortune.

    People on both sides of the border need to stop deriving perverse pleasure from bad nes originating from another country.
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  • Sid
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:13PM

    Very Sad :(.. should be reviewed it, not a good sign … RIP Sqn Ldr M.Hussain

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  • Zafar Karachiwala
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:18PM

    One of many to come. Congratulations. Recommend

  • Mahmood
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:19PM

    Well the greatest fighter jet ever developed …….. F16…… had too a lots of crashes in its early period and a lot of good pilots lost their lives (WATCH MOVIE— “AFTERBURN”) the movie is based on F-16′ earlier troubles…….. and yes……..ONLY ALLAH IS PERFECT — NOTHING ELSE.!

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  • James
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:21PM

    @Amin:
    I thought that it was a joint effort by Pakistan and China.Well ,we know the quality of chinese product.Are you saying that Pakistani products are comparableto Chinese

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  • APakistaniMuslim
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:23PM

    Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un
    May Allah rest his soul in peace

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  • Ch Allah Daad
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:39PM

    Great loss. Pakistani pilots are best in the world.

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  • Khalil
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:41PM

    Although its tragic but will not have major impact on JF-17 program. Jest crashes even the most sophisticated F 22 have crashed many times since the programme launched. Similarly F-16, F-18, F-15s have crashed and likewise MIGS and Sukhois, soo no major concern

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  • Hairaan
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:43PM

    Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain

    What a beautiful name. RIP

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  • jagjit sidhoo
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:52PM

    @Chand: In bad taste my friend there has been a loss of life not the time for jokes

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  • Jan
    Nov 14, 2011 - 6:59PM

    I think its unfair to say that just because its made in China it is inferior technology.
    nothing is perfect and I am sure they will find the cause and correct the problem.better it happened during training than in combat mission.
    F-16s have never crashed?
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  • Aswad
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:01PM

    RIP For the Pilot , But it is very strange that , his body is found 3km away from the crash site ,plus media reports say he didn’t carry any injury but found Dead …A full Report will reveal actually what happens ..as That Man was So much more valuable then the Plane.

    I feel really sorry for the People who are just not helping and spreading negativity about the indecent and Jet , Common people There are thousand of things responsible to keep that thing in control and Mishaps happened …
    if a state of the art most expensive B2 Bomber which worth US$1.4 billion can turn into ashes in few seconds.Recommend

  • Shabir Afzal
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:07PM

    We lost yet an other loyal son of the land. Deeply sad :((

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  • asadshakeel19
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:17PM

    Pilot of jf17 thunder was a really great pilot, who put his family behind for his country and nation’s safety. He did not lose heart and martyred. I appreciater him for his work.

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  • Surya
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:28PM

    @StudyValue:
    Are you kidding?? Nothing is more precious than human life and you seems to equate that with a silly machine as “Precious”…Something wrong with your mindset..

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  • Haroon
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:45PM

    May Allah bless Sqn Ldr Hussain’s soul a best place in Jannah, and give his family much strength to bear this loss, aameen.

    I have closely observed the operational capabilities of Pakistan Air Force pilots, engineers and technicians, and I would say with a great faith that in terms of professionalism they are the best in world, and their operational readiness and preparedness is second to none. PAF and Pakistan Zinda Baad.

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  • Ali
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:48PM

    How is it possible that it crashes the next day after Dubai show?????

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  • hamza khan
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:51PM

    RIP to the pilot. may he be granted the status of a shaheed. the aircraft is replaceable. the pilot is not.

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  • Indian
    Nov 14, 2011 - 7:58PM

    @Sao Lao:
    Do you know what they call MIGs in India? ‘Flying coffins’…
    Guess Pakistan has also got its own version of the same!!
    You guys are serious competitors to us man!!

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  • Ali
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:03PM

    Maybe Ferrari should halt production because the first few 458′s kept blowing up. Right?

    Wrong.

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  • momi
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:05PM

    Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Lillahi Rajioon…
    btw people, this does not mean that JF-17 is a bad aircraft…the best jets out there crash once in a while..it happens…

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  • umais
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:06PM

    First of all its a great loss for PAF and secondly the planes are not expensive than the pilots. The pilot did eject but its the malfunction in the ejection mechanism, the parachute didn’t open. What circumstances was the pilot in that ultimately led him to eject, investigation has to come up with a technical response so that in future these planes should be made as safe as possible to fly. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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  • Sharma
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:11PM

    To all my fellow Indians who are making cheap comments plz have some sensitivity.Jinke ghar sheeshe ke bane hote hain unhe doosron par pathar nahi fekne chahiye.Our IAF has worst flight safety record.We should feel sorry for the pilots whose lives are put to risk by the corrupt politicians who recieve kickbacks and purchase substandard chinese/russian equipment.It’s mind boggling that IAF lost over 100 pilots in 283 accidents and still they are operating those mig-21 junks.May Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain RIP.

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  • Mohammad Awais
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:17PM

    The timing of the accident clearly shows that something is fishy. We were selling JF-17 thunder at Dubai air show, but the aircraft crashed at our home. It will give a bad name to the country. So the hand of CIA or RAW could not be overlooked. These aircrafts are flying in our airspace for several months, but no such incident occurred earlier.

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  • Zohaib
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:17PM

    We lost a special thing today.. the pilot. Along with the aircraft, but that comes after. May God bless his and his family’s souls.

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  • sabir
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:19PM

    This is not an accident, this is sabotage, first time there was real possibility to sell this aircraft, something really bad happened here.

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  • IR
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:21PM

    I feel sorry for all those giving negative remarks. A loss of life on either side of the border is a loss of life and brings misery to the family and nation. We should behave like humans and not animals and should always be sorry for the family losing its member. These accidents happen and will keep on happening. So just pray for the departed soul.

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  • Indian
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:37PM

    @sabir:
    Yes!!!!!!!!!!
    Its a CIA, RAW and Mossad conspiracy to sabotage Pakistan and Chinese engineering is little to blame!!;-)

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  • Talha
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:38PM

    RIP to the pilot.

    But, Mullah Mansoor Mountain?Recommend

  • Nov 14, 2011 - 8:50PM

    @Nine-Zero Karachi: shame on you sir,suppose if you die tommorow and your loved ones read such comment like yours???????????
    have a heart for a loss of young life.Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Nov 14, 2011 - 8:56PM

    @sabir:

    Love your conspiracy theories. Keep it up.

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  • Cautious
    Nov 14, 2011 - 9:02PM

    Flying combat aircraft is dangerous — even when not in combat — may God have mercy on this pilots soul. All aircraft are capable of crashing — the only issue in my book is whether Pakistan has the will/wherewithal to investigate the crash to determine the cause of the crash – it’s apparent that when civilian aircraft go down Pakistan doesn’t investigate properly.

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  • fahad masood
    Nov 14, 2011 - 9:04PM

    Jawanon Ka Ye Jazba Un Ki Imaan Ki Nishani Hai,
    Watan Baqi Rahe Zindagi Tu Ani Jani Hai!!!

    A witness of the occurrence said that the jet was on fire for sometime but was heading for the Mansar Camp (Army Installation). The pilot stayed with it till very late veering the JF-17 away from population, which forced a no-chute ejection at a very low altitude. May Allah grant the family the patience and courage to pass through the ordeal!

    Sqn Ldr Hussain Lives On!!!

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  • sabir
    Nov 14, 2011 - 9:31PM

    @Indian:

    Mr Indian,

    This is little more than that as you said little to blame.
    This is about pakistans ability to step into a very lucrative industry, this is not about destroying a piece of equipment, aircraft go down all the time. Pakistan is set to fly today in Dubai Air show. Timing that makes wonder !!!!!!!

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  • raju sharma
    Nov 14, 2011 - 9:38PM

    Pilot killed’ may god bless his soul.. pakistan must understand that ‘New’ chinese product are showing their true nature,,, the nature of failing.. poin to be noted ‘failing’. Firt it was j-10 then jh-7 now jf-17… think twice before taking some action on the matter.. your economy is down folded, so before signing any agreement check it with your eye’s open……GOOD LUCK…..

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  • Punjabi
    Nov 14, 2011 - 9:49PM

    @fahad masood:
    When did the witness tell you

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  • pti lover
    Nov 14, 2011 - 9:50PM

    all those people who are cursing Nine-Zero Karachi as he is from MQM are insane.
    FIRST MQM did not do anything ANTI-Pakistan
    Second how come you know that this guy is from MQM or supporter of MQM.

    how absurd and naive you are. Recommend

  • Nov 14, 2011 - 9:54PM

    Do you even know the F-22 raptors service history in the USAF? The commenters disappoint me.

    Last year an F-22 crashed killing the pilot, the most superior jet-fighter considered by the world has been subjected to a terrible service life. And it is grounded nowadays AGAIN by the way.

    Not being a patriotic imbecile as we just assemble the JF-17 and do not manufacture it.Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:10PM

    @raju sharma:

    our economy “is down folded”?

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  • ammad
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:20PM

    Its true not a plane loss…It is the loss of the pilot which saddens me…..Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain(may Allah bless his soul)…….thx mother who gve us one bro to sacrifice his ife for our tomorrow.thx

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  • Indian
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:21PM

    @Baber:
    Yeah a Pakistani can always feel the way you do! Because Pakistan has achieved a hell a lot in technology and science..;-)

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  • hamza
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:21PM

    one goes no matter they have already deal of 50 jf 17 thunders

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  • ammad
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:32PM

    its not a loss of plane…….but a loss of pilot which sadesme…….Squadron Leader Mohammad Hussain(may his soul rest in peace)….thx mother who gve us 1 more shaheed who sacrifice their today for our tomorrow..thanks mother…

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  • omega11
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:37PM

    The entire F-15 fleet was grounded a few months back by the U.S. because the aricraft’s body disintegrated while in flight and crashed. I don’t see people bashing the F-15′s? Perhaps look at India’s LCA fighter jet. Now that is something pathetic–even the Indian Airforce isn’t inducting them as avidly as they are for foreign machines. Be considerate.

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  • Ibrar
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:38PM

    any body can tell me that how many crashes been take place in history of F-16?
    So don’t be sad.And please don’t pass negative comments.
    We hope it will never again happen, as we have trust in our Army and Airforce.(Although we don’t have it in our govt.)
    “Man learn and get experience from his mistakes”
    Good luck Pak Airforce.

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  • Ibrar
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:40PM

    @Mahmood:
    Nice answer.

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  • Umer Maliq
    Nov 14, 2011 - 10:59PM

    Firstly May Allah give the Pilot Highest place in Jannat and give the family the strength to surpass this time. Sad news indeed for loosing a precious life in the incident.

    Secondly as for the Crash it can happen to any Aircraft in the world its not that this plane can not Crash. To the point made by many people above that no one will buy JF-17 now and buy one get one free… With due respect to everyone’s comments i must say The countries who are going to buy this plane would definitely look into the avionics, weapons capability, stealth ability and cost factor and then make any decision to spend the money… Its not jus few friends deciding to buy a motorbike or a scrap car that they wont look into it in detail….

    So the ppl who will buy it are professionals and will certainly buy it cuz of its worth and compatible price…. :)

    Best of Luck Pakistan for the purchase deals n MAy Allah Bless the Pilot … AMEEN… :)

    PEACE TO ALL… :)

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  • Nov 14, 2011 - 11:16PM

    maybe the reason is it was 70% lower in price one F16, catching the eyes of buyers. US has enough people to destroy things like that in Mehran base or Camra.

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  • Mercury 69
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:01AM

    @Malatesh:
    Very intelligent guess. I hope our High Command will definitely rule out this possibility of sabotage by any competing source.

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  • ali
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:11AM

    Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un
    May Allah rest his soul in peace

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  • Salman
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:34AM

    Pakistan should ground her entire JF 17 fleet and analyze the problem which caused the crash and lost of one of the best PAF pilot Sql Leader Hussien. They are only in operation now so I guess it will take 1 more year for their perfection and the more you gonna fly the more you gonna evaluate their performance. Right now US F 22s are also grounded because of some technical issues so lets not make JF17s like of MiGs (Indian flying coffins). Get them fix asap.

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  • kasim.lahore
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:43AM

    Dear All,

    Suzuki cars are going on accident daily somewhere in Pak.. Will you stop going in a car?
    Volvo Buses are going on accident daily somewhere in World.. Will you stop going in a Bus?
    Trains are going on accident occasionally.. Will you stop going in a Train?
    Very simple thing..
    Road accidents are almost happens daily.. Will you stop going on a Road?
    Why so much Noise for crashing of a Jet? It is an accident. Leave it.. Go home and enjoy the rest of the life..
    Don’t forget to Pray Allah for a minute for the deceased brother.. that’s enough..Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:44AM

    Why does every event become an India-versus-Pakistan shouting match?

    And a not very intelligent one at that.

    This is hardly a big deal — the loss of life is. The old USSR Supersonic passenger plane crashed during an air-show in Paris in front of hundreds of spectators and that killed the program. So did a Soviet MIG when an engine flamed out at low altitude but the pilot managed to eject and just barely touch down almost as his parachute opened. The incident is still available on the net. The Airbus A330 crashed on a TEST flight with test pilots on board. It is now one of the most popular airliners flying the skies.

    I don’t know who the person above is who says China does not have the JF-17 in their fleet. They have just agreed to give us 50 fully-built and slightly advanced versions.

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  • Straight_Talk
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:04AM

    This is just one crash. Fighter aircrafts involve complex technologies. Here we are yet to find out whether it was a human error or a technical one. Lets wait for the investigation report. Somehow everything here is made into a India vs Pakistan thing. This is very counter-productive. This should immediately stop.

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  • safi shahid
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:18AM

    indeed a great loss.jf 17 is an outclass fighter jet…what puzzles me is the problem with the ejection seat because of which a well trained pilot died..planes crash..they are machines for Gods sake…but the loss of a pilot whom you have trained to perfection is a great blow to the Pakistan Air Force…may he rest in peace…

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  • Adnan
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:28AM

    The marketing of this plane is not done in a correct way.. it is now 4 jf17s for the price of one f-16 please

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  • M
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:29AM

    Now it all makes sense. It is being sold at dollar store price because there is no pilot eject system. Next thing we will learn is it uses Diesel as fuel.

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  • Canadian Hindu
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:51AM

    Condolences to the pilot, his family and the people of Pakistan.

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  • Pundit
    Nov 15, 2011 - 2:14AM

    Message from India:

    Tragic loss of life: condolence to the family of the Pilot

    And may the Aircraft Project over come this setback and thrive in days to come.

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  • Adeel
    Nov 15, 2011 - 3:23AM

    @Zafar Karachiwala: What kind of an insensitive idiot are you?

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  • Sao Lao
    Nov 15, 2011 - 3:39AM

    Anyways, According to inside sources, It seems the case of Bird Strike

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  • ur reality is ........
    Nov 15, 2011 - 4:54AM

    @M:
    Shame on you and your people…………….. do look up aviation history and enlighten yourself and your people. Sick………

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  • AK
    Nov 15, 2011 - 5:23AM

    How come we have never heard of a Pakistani missile failing?

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  • Sao Lao
    Nov 15, 2011 - 5:27AM

    @Indian:
    I dont really like to reply back to childish emotional comments but by going what you said than 747 is also a flying coffin and that makes 737 777 and F16 F22 F18 F15 heck every aircraft including cessna a flying coffin. your IAF planes go down every now and then and they rightly called flying coffins. Its first JF-17 accident and at very suspicious timing. either it is very big coincident or a ugly plot because PAF pilots are without a doubt the best in the world and and aircrafts are kept professionally maintained. so one incident and that too on suspicious timing doesn’t make it a flying coffin. over and out

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  • numbersnumbers
    Nov 15, 2011 - 5:31AM

    Modern fighter jets usually have “zero-zero” ejection seat systems, designed to save the pilot no matter the altitude/airspeed/attitude of the aircraft. Any flight data recorders and controller communications will help find out what happened to the jet, and why the ejection system did not save the pilot!

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  • Mohit (Indian)
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:13AM

    To all those Indians making fun of the aircraft…don’t forget our numerous MIG crashes…think of the pilot. Even in war a soldier has utmost respect for another soldier! Whether we like it or not, Pakistanis are our bros and sisters, our house got partitioned because of vested interests but we were and are brothers. PEACE!!!

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  • Sao Lao
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:43AM

    @M:
    Dont make yourself an idiot. JF-17′s are equipped with Martin Baker ejections which are best in the world.

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  • Rashid Mir
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:58AM

    May Allah rest his soul in peace.Love my Falcons.Missing the gr8 roaring sound of our Jets.As I belong to Attock city I really salute an other hero who sacrifice his life for nation.But hope PAF will take serious action regarding failure of parachute.Always love to hear the sound of jets in my city and consider it as beauty of the sky in our District.Shaeed Hussain I Salute you and pray for your family.For you I am please INSHALLAH you are on a better place.
    شہید کھبی مر تے نہیں

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  • Ajay
    Nov 15, 2011 - 7:32AM

    @Shujaat Khan:
    Incidengt must be investigated by Pakistan technical experts, not Chinese who are certain to publish a wishy-washy report. We want Pakistani techncial expertise on the table NOT CHINESE !!

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  • Rashid
    Nov 15, 2011 - 7:35AM

    We will wait for the report from Pakistani technical experts. Only that report can be genuine. CHinese produce poor quality stuff and the report will try to show that Pakistanis made some mistakes in local production. Think about it- at leats 2 major issues- a)One or more failures leadin to crash and b)Pilot ejection system faulty leading to unnecessary death.

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  • Ajay
    Nov 15, 2011 - 7:49AM

    @Khurram Dastageer:
    That is why we never boasted much about our project “Tejas” nor did we add the word “thunder” to it. In fact we let the report son delays and bad design surface all the time. That is why we are importing and make that fact very open. This is because we do not like to get into this kind of embarrassment where we over commit, then over-project with a dash of ego and pride and then under-deliver.

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  • Jallez
    Nov 15, 2011 - 7:51AM

    I am suspecting there will be many more such incidents as typically happen with new aircraft. Looks like the victims will be the 1st buyers as always. Are we the only buyers???

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  • M
    Nov 15, 2011 - 8:35AM

    @Sao Lao:
    whoever makes the ejection systems, the point is the poor pilot still died. Doesnt speak much of the quality of ejection system, does it? And you know it fully well that the flying piece of junk is 100% Chinese made. As much credit as you would like to take, the cold reality is Pakistan does not have a functioning railway so your claim to manufacture aircraft is totally absurd. At least be honest with your own selfRecommend

  • M
    Nov 15, 2011 - 8:39AM

    @ur reality is ……..:
    Shame for what? For calling you people out on providing your own pilot with a rust bucket to fly?

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  • M
    Nov 15, 2011 - 8:43AM

    @Pundit:
    I don’t hear any Pakistani apologizing for the genital mutilation of brave Indian soldiers during the Kargil spat. And before you fill up a bucket with tears, realize that the blame lies with Pakistanis for making a pilot fly a rust bucket in which even the most basic safety device, an ejection seat, failed to work.

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  • Malatesh
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:08AM

    @ All Pakistanis
    None of the indians commented on the pilot who lost his life. Every one has given negetive comment on the JF17 because of which Pakistan has lost one Pilot.

    Read and Think before you comment on comments.

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  • Zahid
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:09AM

    I feel so sad to see the mental approach of many of the writers above.We have lost a precious life and they are trying their wits to crack a better joke than the others.If they are Indians then it is understandable otherwise I have no words to express their minds.

    Haven’t we lost F-16s in the past costing four times the JF-17 ? So do they mean we should not go for JF-17 and keep buying F-16s.Moreover have they seen some investigation report to base their comments on. Extremely sorry (if they are Pakistanis).Recommend

  • chaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:16AM

    This is a normal occurring…………….. happens to the best of the AF’s and best of the jets.
    Indians: pls stop posing & posting as Pakistanis and in addition, this is not a circus……..

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  • Umar
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:16AM

    If there was some maintenance fault then the plane can not be blamed at all.Technical fault does not mean there is a design error.If you do not properly tighten nuts of your corolla then, can you blame Toyota company for the accident?

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  • Nov 15, 2011 - 9:40AM

    It is really a very bad news for Pakistan Nation. I pray to Allah almighty to secure our National property.

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  • M
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:53AM

    @Sao Lao:
    Pakistan can build an aircraft. Perhaps this shocking fact will knock some sense into you. A country that does not have a functioning railway in this day and age is not capable of building anything. Recommend

  • NJ
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:04PM

    Huge Loss! May his soul rests in peace!

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  • Adil Mulki
    Nov 15, 2011 - 12:12PM

    The incident appears as if there was a malfunction in the aircraft. The fact that there was no loss of life or property on the ground means that the pilot was brave enough to fly the aircraft to an area with no population or development, before ejecting. Unfortunately, the fact that his parachute did not open, points towards a second malfunction in the aircraft, this time with the ejection module, which cost Pakistan the life of a brave son.
    It is men like these who write history with their blood. Reminds me of Rashid Minhas Shaheed.
    Rest In Peace Heroes,
    regards,
    Adil Mulki

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  • Faisal
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:42PM

    We cannot depend on media reports that it was JF-17. In my opinion it might be F-7 or Mirage Aircraft.

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  • Hamid
    Nov 15, 2011 - 1:50PM

    One cannot underestimate the capabilities of JF-17 Thunder because the crash could have been from a Pilot Error. Pilot errors are common, half of the crashes are due to a pilot error. I am not accusing the Pilot, May his Sould Rest in Peace, Aameen.

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  • Javed Shaikh
    Nov 15, 2011 - 2:29PM

    When I was studying in America I knew an engineer from General Dynamics(the company which launched the F-16). He was responsible for investigating the causes of crashes of the F-16. During my 4yrs stay in USA I remember him telling me of several F-16 crashes. This is the first and only crash of the JF-17.
    I think it will be a success story. Let the Indians worry.They don’t have a similar success story

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  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    Nov 15, 2011 - 2:36PM

    @Zafar Karachiwala:
    You seem to be very happy on the loss of life and the plane!!! Are you a Pakistani??? Even if you were not a Pakistani you are a human being I believe. This was not the first jet to crash , many F-16′s , F-104′s, Raptors etc etc have crashed.

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  • Tariq
    Nov 15, 2011 - 3:05PM

    Very sad loss of human life, may Allah bless the departed soul. Sadly such incidents are common in our region, and as I recall the Aamir Khan movie ‘Rang De Basanti’ was about such an incident. The small minds here can continue arguing to lift their little egos, but that won’t solve anything until we root out the corrupt people in our countries whose negligence often leads to such losses. It’s good to see India collecting taxes on Indians’ money stowed away in Swiss accounts, and our Supreme Court too should follow this example if it intends to make any positive impact in Pakistan.

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  • Jack
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:14PM

    @Javed Shaikh:
    The reason that you don’t hear about crashes is because the plane has not been widely used till now, and China is of course notoriously secretive about anything that can impact its perception in the domestic and international arena. Pakistan does not have the wherewithal to clean up the crash site within a couple of hours and ensure that media and people in the vicinity are gagged, else it would – if it is just one person of course, it can be handled far more easily Saleem Shehzaad style. In India, the MiGs regularly crash and we are upset about this – and the reason is the age of the aircraft. This is why we are investing in the best possible aircraft going fwd, and Pakistan should do the same to avoid such loss of life. At the same time the jingoistic statements that we hear from you guys about the best air force in the world etc are quite pitiful and should be tempered with the occasional gulp of realism. You never hear such statements from Indians because, while they are proud of their country’s new found progress, they know that we have a long way to go.

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  • Khan
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:25PM

    @Khurram Dastageer:
    Thank you for comparing it with latrine soap .. But don’t forget if you want to start making soap instead of buying it expensively .. you better start making it even if the first one is latrine soap .. you may be able to enhance it to a superior quality.
    But you will not be able to understand this simple logic because a person who still believes in terms like “ummah” and religious brotherhood can’t be capable of thinking in broader scope. First, If our PAF and Army is there from past 65 years and have fought all the wars, it is because of our good relations with US and European countries as had they decided not to sell us any thing our armed forces would not have had all these Jets and other equipment we are using to safe guard our country.
    Secondly, the people you want to build these equipment with are not educated enough yet to make any of their own things .. It comes from creativity and education .. but they rather spend their free money on their own self serving and their own luxry like buying boeings for themselves and making houses in it or throwing the money on belly dancers.

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  • R. Khan
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:36PM

    No question in my mind that it was RAW+MOSSAD+CIA Conspiracy by sending bunch of birds from Afghanistan border which were sucked by our great Air Craft. It’s matter of time before US will start ordering JF-17 Thunder Aircrafts because they will not be able to afford to buy F-16s. As mentioned earlier, we should put them up on “Fire Sale” by a slogan “Pay for one & get three JF-17 free”.

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  • Khan
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:43PM

    @M:

    A country that does not have a
    functioning railway in this day and
    age is not capable of building
    anything.

    Please define what do you mean by functional railway? Does that mean our rails can’t run? if that is what you mean then let me assure you that they have been running from Karachi to Peshawar from past 65 years every single day … Its the department that is full of corruption and requires money all the time from the government. Recommend

  • Cosmo
    Nov 15, 2011 - 6:48PM

    @Meekal Ahmed:
    Am amused at people like you, where were Pakistanis like you when infamous dictator:- Musharraf had launched a proxy war on India at Kargil and your state was refusing to accept the bodies of your own soldiers?? !! What happened to the morality then?

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  • Mansoor Qadri
    Nov 15, 2011 - 7:16PM

    Read this below; Mr. Nine Zero, about the F-16 aircraft US made:
    MADISON, Wis. – U.S. Air Force investigators say the engine failed in a fighter plane that crashed in central Wisconsin this past summer. [ Go & check F-16 statistics]
    We are learning, & we shall learn from accident, a better Air Craft, inshaAllah.

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  • Indian
    Nov 15, 2011 - 8:04PM

    @Khan:
    One correction. Its not ‘requires money from the government’, it is ‘requires money from dawood ibrahim’!

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  • Khan
    Nov 15, 2011 - 8:41PM

    @Cosmo:
    Who told you that we appreciate Kargil misadventure or Mumbai massacre ?
    Just like many people in India are also against terrorism in Kashmir but can’t help it .. the same is true for us .. people who can think independently and believe in equality are very few on both side of the border.Recommend

  • M
    Nov 15, 2011 - 8:49PM

    @Khan:
    If Karachi to Peshawar is the only functional rail segment in a nation of 180 million, then I rest my case

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  • hamza khan
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:31PM

    @R S JOHAR:

    trust me it wont. you indians would love that. worry about your LCA . Recommend

  • Cosmo
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:32PM

    @Khan:
    The point is that your moral brigade started disowning Kargil when Mushy and your government was caught red handed by Clinton/India, otherwise you guys would have never accepted that Kargil was a misadventure and that show how much you actually respect your Army and soldiers.

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  • Rehmat
    Nov 15, 2011 - 9:58PM

    This incident is like 1971 surrender.Sad

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  • Pakistani first
    Nov 15, 2011 - 10:52PM

    It is sad how people are treating a tragic human loss with sarcasm and amuse. I bet you do not even have the guts to drive your car over 100 km/h, this young man put his life on the line to serve this country. Have some respect at the very least.

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  • Eric Kumar
    Nov 16, 2011 - 6:12AM

    Sad to hear untimely death of a such intleligent,presious,and young life. He died for his country and mother land. Machines can be replaced but not young Son of the land. Sqr.Ldr Hussain you will be always remebered and honured in the annals of Pakistan’s Air foce. I pray the Lord give your family strength to bear this loss. may the Lord keep all your family under His protection.I pray to the Lord Almighty God who is able to keep you from falling and present you from falling and to presnt you before His glorious presence without fault and with Joy—to the only God our savior, our strength and our only hope ,majesty,power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord,before all ages,now aand forevermore,may your soul Sqr.Ldr. Hussain ave everlasting peace in heavenly abode. Amen.

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  • Stenson
    Nov 16, 2011 - 6:47AM

    @Rehmat: Is it also sad for you to think about the 1000 years of Muslim rule over South Asia? Stop this silliness my Indian friends. Planes from all air forces do crash from time to time because they are put through extreme training conditions. F 22, F 16 F 15 F 14 – all of the top US palnes have crashed from time to time and need investigations.

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  • Eric Kumar
    Nov 16, 2011 - 8:58AM

    @Stenson: I totally agree with your point of you . But it is a sad commentry on situation it happend right at that time when you are advitising your product in the market. Espcially when it has no trac record. Chinese are not as smart as American or European as for as machine are concerned neither they have exprience. They are new chicken the barn. They will have to go long way to come to American or Japnese standard. I am sorry for losing such promising life. may the Lord give to Sqr.Ldr Hussain,s family peace and strenght to bear such great loss.Our heart goes to them.

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  • Tony Singh
    Nov 16, 2011 - 12:12PM

    Grow up everybody, aviation history is littered with such crashes. But it serves as warning to people like “sun set” who comment with glee everytime there is an Indian plane or rocket failure. Remember these things happen and do result in loss of human life.

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  • arsalQ
    Nov 16, 2011 - 12:13PM

    GREAT LOSS: Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un
    May Allah rest his soul in peace

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  • Rayan
    Nov 16, 2011 - 1:15PM

    May Allah Bless the soul of the Shaheed pilot….. JF-17 Thunder is an amazing fighter Jet in its own dimensions… and when u r developing new technologies u encountered problems and that’s how u become perfect…it’s a risky learning process……..Many F-16, Mirage and Euro fighters have been crashed….that doesn’t mean that there is problem with technology…..I believe the most expensive stealth bomber B2 crashed few years back………at least we have developed an potent option ……. as compared to Indian Air force which is still flying …Flying Cofins….

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