Iran gas pipeline: Pakistan uses US opposition as bargaining chip

Published: September 19, 2011

Islamabad presses Washington to grant civilian nuclear deal.

ISLAMABAD: 

The government has apparently decided to use Washington’s opposition to the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline as a bargaining chip to persuade the United States to grant Pakistan a civilian nuclear deal similar to the one between the US and India.

At the recently concluded strategic dialogue between the US and Pakistan on energy, the United States had made it clear that it opposed Pakistan’s decision to import gas from Iran, even going so far as to threaten sanctions if Pakistan did not withdraw from the deal.

Sources close to Water and Power Minister Naveed Qamar said that Pakistani officials then used that opposition as an opportunity to press once again for a civilian nuclear power deal. Qamar was leading the Pakistani delegation during the talks held in Islamabad.

“The US did not respond to Pakistan’s demands,” said sources familiar with the discussions, adding that it is not yet clear as to whether or not Pakistan would end up shelving the Iran gas pipeline project if the US provided assistance with nuclear power plants.

Pakistan faces a chronic power shortage, sharpened to some degree by the depletion of the nation’s own gas reserves. The last major discoveries of gas fields were in the 1990s and were not enough to replace the depletion of the much larger gas fields that were discovered much earlier in the 1950s.

The US has proposed that Pakistan pursue the gas pipeline deal with Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and India, known as the TAPI pipeline. While Pakistan has welcomed US support for the project, Islamabad views TAPI as insufficient for the country’s rapidly growing energy needs.

The government estimates that the power crisis in the country reduces economic growth by between 2% and 2.5% of gross domestic product every year. Supplies from Iran could go a long way towards helping to mitigate that crisis.

There are also several technical reasons why gas supplies from Iran are likely to be far cheaper than those from Turkmenistan.

The Iranian gas pipeline would connect the Pakistani gas hub at Nawabshah with the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf, which is by most estimates, the largest in the world. Larger gas fields tend to be far cheaper to extract gas from, since a smaller number of wells need to be dug to extract larger amounts of gas, requiring a smaller initial investment and smaller operating costs.

Turkmenistan’s gas reserves in the Caspian, while significant, are not as big as those of Iran, and certainly do not have any gas fields that approach anywhere near the size of the South Pars field.

In addition, the negotiations for the TAPI pipeline are still at a relatively early stage and have hit several snags, largely due to disputes over pricing and even completing feasibility studies.

“Turkmenistan has yet to provide audited certification of gas reserves, which has been pending for several years,” said one source familiar with the negotiations.

Another potential problem might be the insurance costs for the pipeline, likely to be driven to prohibitively high levels due to the fact that the pipeline passes through Afghanistan, currently in the midst of an intense Taliban insurgency.

Other hurdles include the fact that the countries have yet to finalise a gas price or sign the gas sales purchase agreement.

Developing coal

Gas and nuclear energy, however, are not the only sources of power that Pakistani officials spoke to US officials about. “Islamabad also asked the US to extend support to exploit coal reserves,” said one source.

The Thar coal reserves in Sindh are estimated to be the third largest in the world, by some measures. The Sindh government has been trying to develop them since the early 1990s but has only recently developed partnerships with private sector firms, such as the Engro Corporation, to do so.

(Additional input by farooq tirmizi)

Published in The Express Tribune, September 19th,  2011.

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Reader Comments (63)

  • Khurram
    Sep 19, 2011 - 8:41AM

    Although we too certainly deserve a civilian nuclear deal just like the one India has. But unfortunately we do not have the same clout and leverage our neighbor has. I think TAPI is all we will get even if that cause there are still many slips between the cup and lips.

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  • John B
    Sep 19, 2011 - 8:51AM

    PAK can bargain all they want. The last thing US congress will do is ratify a nuclear deal. Sometimes what to negotiate for is essential in any negotiation, either in trade or in foreign policy. PAK always seems to pick a wrong fight in both.

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  • Was A Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:06AM

    Pakistanis are in a cuckoo land. Even if granted civillian nuclear deal do they have the money to buy one. Get over your obsession and do something for the people for once.

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  • syed Imran
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:11AM

    The Government should not fool itself as it will never get the deal and should rather stick to the project without wasting time on such fruitless and mind boggling prepositions.

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  • Clifton
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:38AM

    stupid strategy to go for the same toys the Indians got but which the US and the rest of the world will never give us (they just don’t trust us with the Taliban / Al Qaeda, they’ll trust us with something as lethal as nuclear tech?).

    Save your breath and push the US for quick building of dams, and gas drilling inside Pakistan. We know they don’t want to help us develop coal because it contributes to green house gases but why not help with cost effective alternatives such as dams and gas? Can you influence your buddies in Qatar extend us the Dolphin pipeline?

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  • Pundit
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:48AM

    Pakistani negotiating style of asking for the moon and settling for the rocks is now well known to the Americans.
    When the US Ambassador is openly accusing Pakistan of supporting the Haqqani Bros for any Pakistani to even dream of Civilian Nuclear Technology from US is just that…pipe dream.

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  • Arindom
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:52AM

    Blackmail seems to be the only strategy on Pakistani diplomat’s books. One might be forgiven to think kidnappers are faculty in the diplomatic colleges!!!!

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  • farooq
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:54AM

    Pakistan should never trust Americans again, civil nuclear deal or anything else,should go ahead with Iran pipeline deal.

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  • H.A. Khan
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:08AM

    Remember that Pakistan was granted status of “Major non-NATO ally” status by US just before India was offered civilian Nuclear Technology?.

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  • Engr.Mohsin Raza
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:23AM

    US is setting her house on fire to send smoke to Iran. As far as gas pipeline project is concerned, Pakistan should not abandon this deal because Iran has already completed 80% of the gas pipeline construction and ,if the project is abandoned, it will inflict heavy financial losses to Iran, which our Iranian brothers do not deserve. Iran has offered her gas fields for the energy-thirsty Islamabad and the Pakistani nation wants to embrace this offer with a note of thanks. Government should keep in mind the public opinion which is more friendly to Iran than Washington.

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  • Tahir
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:30AM

    @Was a Pakistani, Pakistan pays billions expensive rental power and you say it can’t pay for the more energy efficient nuclear tech?Recommend

  • faraz
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:39AM

    We cant even eliminate the circular debt in the power sector, how will we pay for the civil nuclear technology. Unlike thermal power stations, nuclear reactors cant be shut down if bills are not paid

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  • Sep 19, 2011 - 10:48AM

    The Pakistan-Iran pipeline is pipedream anyway and US is simply seeking to irritate Pak govt about it. No civilian deal can be gained from US.Recommend

  • Tauqir Fatima
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:52AM

    I think this will further harm Pakistan’s credibility in its efforts repairing an already soar relationship with its neighboring Iran – the penalty Iran will impose will be a minor thing than this loss. Additionally, nuclear agreement with US will require Pakistan to share number of nuclear secrets and sites that Pakistan need to decide whether they can trust USA again.

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  • Was A Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:57AM

    @Tahir:
    I have two responses for it:
    1) If we are so rich that we pay billions to IPP then why worry.. get some conventional power or why not renewable?
    2) there is a difference in paying after earning and upfront investment…

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  • Zalim
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:58AM

    @farooq:
    Certainly, We must go ahead with the iran pipeline and in return the americans will slap sanctions and then we sit in our cocoon and roast our golden eggs for life.

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  • Feroz
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:12AM

    Every country must use all the bargaining chips on the table to further its interests. No harm in aiming for the Moon if finally one can reach the tree top.

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  • vasan
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:26AM

    I think Pak is in a fix. IF the US tightens the screw on the IP gas pipe line after some investments are made, they will go down the drain. If the US puts pressure now, Pakistan will start punching above their level for a civilian nuclear deal. Heads Pak loses and Tails US wins.
    See how US is making India struggle to make their payments to Iran for crude shipments. That is the pressure on a close ally (strategic and tactical). They didnt pressurize before crude left Iran. So Pak should be very careful

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  • Naveed
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:53AM

    for all those Americans and pro-Americans who keep questioning
    ” why do we have to give aid to a country and people who have so much hatred for us”……
    the answer is right here……this is how the US manipulates not just Pakistan but most of the third world poor countries to extend its hegemony through so called aid that never trickles down to the deserving.

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  • ayesha
    Sep 19, 2011 - 12:10PM

    @Tahir:
    “Pakistan pays billions expensive rental power and you say it can’t pay for the more energy efficient nuclear tech?”
    Perhaps you have not read news lately. Pakistan does not actually pay for the power it uses and that is the reason why there is a huge circular debt problem. Recently a check by Pakistan railways for fuel bounced and diesel supply to them had temporarily come to a halt.

    Incidentally nuclear power is NOT inexpensive. Nuclear power plants take billions of dollars of upfront investment and the Pak government simply does NOT have the money to make those payments.

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  • Nasir
    Sep 19, 2011 - 12:20PM

    US is just using delaying tactics in Iran-Pak Gas project by showing just carrots to Pak with no solutions to pak’s energy crisis. An economically stable Pak is not in the interest of US and India in current situation. Weak and instable Pak is better for their long term goals in Afg.

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  • Concerned Pakistani
    Sep 19, 2011 - 12:23PM

    It would be stupidity of unbelieveable proportions if Pakistan gives up on the Iran gas pipeline. The one thing that would be in our national interest from all angles: minimising the power shortages now, cheap electricity, lower insurance costs, permanent solution to Pakistan’s own fast depleting gas reserves. Why should we compromise on our national interest because the US has a feud with Iran. What sort of an ally is that?

    I say go ahead with the pipeline anyway and if the US imposes sanctions on Pakistan then cut the NATO supply line and we will see how it goes for them in Afghanistan.

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  • Farhan Zaheer
    Sep 19, 2011 - 12:37PM

    Government should be tougher this time in negotiations because the time is running out and imported energy will become expensive only with every passing day.

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  • Bigboy
    Sep 19, 2011 - 12:51PM

    Once again proof that pakistan’s policies are controlled/dictated by India. We want a civilian nuclear deal just because India has it, whether it really benefits pakistan or not is seconday. We do not want to explore if we can get something better then what India has got. Like small kids who cry for the same toys, we just want what India has got.

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  • Adil
    Sep 19, 2011 - 1:43PM

    Pakistan should not fall for false promises of US. They will never give anything to Pakistan. Iran gas pipe line is the best option. Besides Iranians have invested billions in this project and if Pakistan leaves it then they will be hurt. It is better to hurt the feeling of US, 12000 kilometers away than hurting the felling of a next door neighbor. After all we will have to live with Iran when US leaves Afghanistan and forgets us eventually. Besides any nuclear deal will take decades to be implemented while Pakistan needs the energy NOW. The economy and people are really suffering.

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  • Adil
    Sep 19, 2011 - 1:47PM

    Switzerland already is building a pipe line from Alps to Iran in order to buy Iranian gas. Turkey is already buying Iranian gas and using it to bolster its economy. Why is there all this sensitivity for Pakistan only? Why should Pakistan only get punished. India tests nukes and Pakistan gets punished. Why?

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  • ashok sai
    Sep 19, 2011 - 1:55PM

    What about Iran, wasn’t it made look like a joker by Pakistan, I think it going to hurt Iran-Pak ties.

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  • Kamal
    Sep 19, 2011 - 2:14PM

    People dont seem to understand that by asking for a civil nuclear deal Pakistan has played smart and put the onus on the U.S. So Pakistan is saying to the U.S that if you dont want us to deal with Iran then compensate us for that. If you cant then dont mess around.

    Since every body knows that U.S would never ever agree to it, its just a subtle way of saying we are going with the Iran pipeline. Seems like the Iran Pakistan gas pipeline is a done deal.

    If Switzerland can buy Iranian Natural gas without any hue and cry by the U.S then Pakistan can do the same. There is nothing the U.S can do about it except empty threats.

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  • Tariq J Qureshi (TQ)
    Sep 19, 2011 - 2:29PM

    Yes US couldnt push Switzerland and Turkey so why push Pakistan not to buy Iran gas. What kind of allies are they that they always are working negatively for Pakistan. TIPI when it reaches maturity will also be used by Pakistan, not a issue, let American built it first. It is still 5-10 years away, in the meantime should Pakistan go to the caves? Why is Pakistan asking for a nuclear deal from USA? Pakistan already has the Chinese nuclear contracts that they should expand on. Problem is Pakistani leadrship has no balls to uphold Pakistan’s interests.

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  • Fortune Cookie
    Sep 19, 2011 - 2:32PM

    Pakistan should go for the GAS instaed of the Nuclear treaty. Gas could provide the country with the scarce resource that it requires. With the nuclear treaty it only provides for the high cost of creating nuclear arms.

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  • Junaid Khan
    Sep 19, 2011 - 2:52PM

    Project with Iran Must never stop regardless of any other help from US or anyone else in energy sector. This project must go ahead. It’s for the needs of an ordinary Pakistani. US or no one need to lecture how these needs are met. They must mind their own Business. Pakistan must also work in development and advancement of energy sectors, whether it’s Hydel, Thermal, Solar, Wind or Nuclear. They must tripple it’s nuclear capacity in next 5 years or take it to 20% of the total Pakistan Energy needs. It will give a better advantage of energy mix cost matrix . It is essential.

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  • Manoj
    Sep 19, 2011 - 3:02PM

    Pakistan should get all the help from every nation for it’s growth and prosperity. But it needs to bridge the trust deficit with the world community and also come out of the mindset which induces it to believe that world is conspiring against it’s unity and integrity.

    Pakistan as a nation has all the natural resources to become Gemany or France of Asia and world will love to invest there but Pakistan needs to clean the mess it has created for itself since zia era. It is not enough to say that it was done to support US or against USSR or to librate Kashmir. An independent nation needs to keep it’s own interest above all other interest and if Pakistan has commited mistakes in 70′s, it should accept it and undo those mistakes. It needs to channelise it’s effort for nation building brick by brick. Military ambition based upon unrealistic goal (librating Kashmir) with weak economy leads to chaos and disintegration as seen in USSR. Being friendly to whole world is much better option, compared to one “all weather friend” which drives away all other nations.

    concentrate on quality education of your people, develope infrastructure, invite world community for investment, trade.
    People of Pakistan needs to relook it’s behaviour and conduct and it’s contribution to world peace and prosperity as world citizen for the last 60 years and if it comes to the conclusion that it’s conduct had negative impact, it should forthwith mend it’s way and I am of the firm opinion that world will be at your door to do their best to help you.

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  • Cautious
    Sep 19, 2011 - 4:38PM

    The people who think this is a significant bargaining chip must be the same guys who thought the 911 Wall Street Journal advertisement was going to generate sympathy for Pakistan — they don’t have a clue. Does anyone realistically believe that the USA Congress is going to approve a nuclear deal with Pakistan? – a country that was caught selling nuke technology to N. Korea, Libya and Iran.
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    The USA may be better off having Iran waste money funding a vulnerable pipeline though Jihad Central – it won’t generate any money for Iran because it will be under constant repair and may remind Iran just how unstable it’s neighbor is.

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  • Sep 19, 2011 - 5:16PM

    American companies are building nuclear plants in UAE.UAE is planning to suply the whole Middle Esat with power.

    Why the Americans will not agree to civilian nuclear palnts in Pakistan?

    They do trust the ARABS! And they were,who flew the airplanes in the World Trade Center…NOT Pakistani citizens!

    So…they do NOT trust Pakistan’s Government,because of the Taliban,but they trusted the GERMAN GOVERNMENT three decades ago,when Die ROTE FRACTION and the Red Brigades were bombing US FORCES bases in West Germany,did they?

    The Americans should finally comprehend,that the insurgency in Afghanistan/Pakistan was born,because of their occupation of Afghanistan.

    As I have plenty of Pakistani friends,I know,that they are NOT supporting the Taliban…again the Americans are blaming somebody else for their OWN mistakes!

    Why you,Pakistani,do not work with the Germans or other EU countries? At least with them you will know where you stand and NOT be dragged into games like with the Americans! I am telling you this NOt because I am German…I am BULGARIAN.

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  • Sep 19, 2011 - 5:19PM

    @John B:

    The US Congrees does not ratify bills…it passes laws! The veto or ratification is given by the US President.

    Study US Constitutional laws,please!

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  • Pragmatist
    Sep 19, 2011 - 5:20PM

    @Khurram: There has only ever been ONE nuclear proliferator. I challenge you to name that country.

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  • MD
    Sep 19, 2011 - 5:46PM

    The headline of the article is misleading because Pakistan do not possess any bargaining chip vis-a-vis the United States. In fact it is the US that holds all the cards. Out of Pakistan’s entire exports, about 60% go to the US and its western allies, I presume that at least 20% go to the other allies like Asean countries, Japan, South Korea, Australia, South Africa etc. The moment the US imposes sanctions and her allies follow suit, all kind of wheels would come to a grinding halt in Pakistan, leading the uncontrollable chaos.
    Therefore, its not wise to mess with USA!Recommend

  • Hassan Naqvi
    Sep 19, 2011 - 6:04PM

    I feel so irritated when I heard news like that because it made me to think that do we live in an independent country or still we’re nothing more than a 3rd class slave nation.

    Stop this project as per the orders of uncle Sam, and it’s us who will pay the price by bearing gas load-shedding in our houses or 5 days CNG shortage in a week or textile industry’s shut-down because of unavailability of gas.

    We need to take our decision on our own, or else we should give the keys of this country to US.

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  • John B
    Sep 19, 2011 - 6:50PM

    @Rosie Deus-von Homeyer:
    Incorrect in your opinion. All foreign trade and concessions signed by the president/ cabinet has to be ratified by congress. India -US nuclear deal congressional procedures were unprecedented in US history.

    President or cabinet has no authority to give trade or foreign concessions without congressional approval. They may however make their wishes known. Either the bill is passed or amended according to their wishes or the treaty is ratified.

    As far as I know, similar congressional procedures were done only twice in congressional history. Once with French a long time ago and next with India.

    In any case, the finer details are irrelevant for the discussion.

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  • Green Guy
    Sep 19, 2011 - 7:07PM

    Pathetic on part of India and Pakistan to go desperate for a civilian nuclear deal, when some countries like Germany set a deadline for closing all the nuclear plants and go for green energy options. The subcontinent minds need to realize that in event of major earth quakes we do not have sufficient experitize to handle the radiation mess.

    Enough of nuclear race.. think of people and future generation. How many nuclear weapons we need to destroy each other.

    In India there is a strong opposition to this nuclear deal, even some cheif ministers written to PM not to build nuclear plants in their states.

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  • Donkeyw
    Sep 19, 2011 - 8:07PM

    Enemies are attacking our carvans. Help us?Recommend

  • antanu
    Sep 19, 2011 - 8:14PM

    Talks are still underway and these peole are making comments like they are rep. Of iran, pakistan and USRecommend

  • Shahjee
    Sep 19, 2011 - 8:31PM

    I think all are very clear that Pak has no option but to get gas from Iran. Pak/US should cooperate on other mutually beneficial fields. Have a nice day.

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  • Noise
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:07PM

    Its best for Pakistan to finish the Iran pipeline already. Its the quickest, cheapest and most secure option compare to nuclear power plants or a pipeline through Afghanistan. Unless Pakistan actually DOES something instead of just empty posturing the west will never take it seriously. You can bet one the Iran piepline is completed the US will be throwing money at Pakistan trying to make sure Pakistan never thinks for itself again.Recommend

  • Ali Tanoli
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:13PM

    Go with Iran if you got brain pakistanisRecommend

  • Adil
    Sep 19, 2011 - 9:30PM

    @ Pragmatist,

    That is right, there has been only One nuclear proliferator in history. It has been United States, which has given nuclear weapons to UK, France, Israel and even indirectly to USSR. What a shame.

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  • Zohaib
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:33AM

    Pakistan should build closer relations with Iran and all other Middle Eastern countries because the Middle East is so close to us while U.S. is on the other side of the planet. Pakistan should be closer with Iran and China. Let India have USA and Israel.

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  • Sep 20, 2011 - 12:54AM

    @MD:

    Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Comeon! Do not play” the cowboy in the Wild West!”

    “DO NOT MESS WITH AMERICA!”

    We,here,in Western Europe will continue buying from Pakistan or Turkey or Iran or from whomever we want to buy!

    So…why are you soooooooooooooo sure,that your”Western allies” will follow suit?

    GERMANY did not follow suit in your war in Iraq! GERMANY did not follow suit in your war in Libya!

    We,here,in Europe are COMPLETELLY FED UP with you,Americans,trying to command us and tell us what to do!

    So…probably you do not speak German,otherwise you shall know,that the so called”ISLAMIC pipeline” from Iran to Pakistan is almost FINISHED! That is what the German State TV reported recently.

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  • Sep 20, 2011 - 1:11AM

    @Adil:

    You,Pakistani,get “punished”,because your Government does not have the courage to say “NO” to the arrogant and agressive Americans!

    WHO in the world gives them right to decide about the ENERGY problems of another country?

    USA has nuclear plants;USA gets oil &gas from WHOM EVER they want to get oil and gas!

    You,Pakistani,have a VERY strong card… WHY you JUST do not shut the Karracoram Highway and

    leave the Americans to starve in Afghanistan?

    Finally they should understand,that they are the PROBLEM in Central Asia and they should stay on their DAMN continent!

    Oooooooooooooooooh! We know…they will NOT give you what ironically they call “AID”!

    They do not give you aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany loans any more…SIMPLY because they run out of money! Last month their government almost shut down,because OBAMA was not able to pay the civil servants.

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  • Sep 20, 2011 - 1:19AM

    @Naveed:

    WHAT “aid”? USA needs aid…their economy is going down the drain! all their major companies immigrated to China,UAE,Eastern Europe and USA is missing the revenues from these companies.

    USA tries to manipulate NOT ONLY Third World countries,but ALSO us,Europeans!

    They think ,that GERMANY is STILL occupied by them and they are the BOSSES here.

    NOT anymore! The Americans are hated NOT only in Third World countries,but most

    Europeans to whom I talk,say they vcan not stand them! Primitive and ARROGANT!

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  • Mian Muhammad Ahmed
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:27AM

    Wake up Pakistanis. Direction given to foreign policy is fueled only & only by the national interest, would like to mention the statement ” Pakistan comes First”. But in our case the politician seems to have their interests come first.
    Let us analyze current situation first .Pakistan is in severe shortage of Electricity/power/fuel. This is affecting our GDP and our growth rate severely. Careful estimates indicate monthly loss of about 1 billion dollars due to textile industry not operating at it maximum. Urea shortage has pushed its price up by more than 1000 rupees per bag. Please be informed that Urea price increase has ripple effect causing all downstream industry to increase its prices. Domestic users are suffering due to power cuts. Gas shortage in Pakistan is approximately 4 BSCFD. Power shortage is around 7000 MW. This list can be extended to many other issues.
    Now lets talk about the available options. TAIPI: Security issues and cost, IPI: American involvement, Coal: GHG issues, Hydal: politics involvement.
    Now Way forward. If i was the deciding person, in national interest I would go ahead with full thrust for Iran Pakistan gas pipe line despite of foreign pressure since its national interest. You would be surprised to know that US aid that was granted after involvement in war against terrorism stood at just 11 Billion while the damage and havoc it has created in our country has costed us more than 30 billion or so excluding loss of life. Second, i would go for coal, US being the biggest emitter & non signatory to Kyoto protocol, how can it deny us the coal usage. For this China can extend cooperation as they have all the available techniques for our little low rank sub bituminous coal and in fact Pakistan should start exporting electricity. Also, to address the GHG concern there is CCS technique available.
    So, you see its all leadership and character needed to put Pakistan first. but this does not seem to happen in near future.
    God bless Pakistan. Imran Khan usually quotes “If you impose a sheep as leader on a pack of lions, it will surely be defeated by a herd of sheep lead by a Lion”
    Pakistan Paindabad (Long live Pakistan)

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  • Sep 20, 2011 - 2:33AM

    @H.A. Khan:

    They gave Pakistan a”MAJOR-NON-NATO status” ,because they wanted to drag Pakistan into their agenda…the war in Afghanistan!

    ONCEthey leave Afghanistan,they will drop you as hot potatoes! I lived for decades in

    USA…I know very well their mentality! USE and ABUSE!

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  • MD
    Sep 20, 2011 - 4:03AM

    @Moderators of ET,
    Sirs/Madams, You allowed my comment to be published on this particular news report and I am thankful for that. However, You edited my comment’s last sentence which read something like this “Therefore,America se punga lena is not a wise idea!” and you changed it as ” Therefore, its not wise to mess with USA!” What a great editing job that has been!! Bravo, ladies and gentlemen!
    But, I wouldn’t have been complaining about the above editing job of yours, only if had I not seen some of the comment you have allowed to be published, where one particular gentleman {a semi-literate} dubs south Indians as Africanos, insulting both the races. If that has not offended you, the moderates, then, I wonder, why my relatively innocuous sentence invited your wrath?
    Well, I write this not because of your editing is of any personal significance to me, but, you must understand that other people too have self respect and by unreasonably editing something that other person has written, you are insulting his/her dignity, indirectly implying that they seriously lack the civility. Remember you guys/gals are not the sole custodians of decent behavior.
    Anyway, I don’t expect you to publish this comment of mine, but, if my rejoinder can improve and make you a better professional, then I would consider it a worth of the time I spent writing this.

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  • malik
    Sep 20, 2011 - 3:25PM

    @Rosie Deus-von Homeyer:

    Please remove your head from the sand.
    If Pak shuts down the Karakoram Highway, I am not sure how many Englishmen will starve to death, but, I am sure, many will starve to death in Pakistan.

    The day the highway is closed, US will declare Pak as a Terrorist State and sanctions will follow. Countries like France and UK, and other major donors will join the sanctions. We will have nothing left to build our economy and to build our infrastructure. US will refuse visas to our people and no more US admissions.

    Already, the aid is trickling. With the natural calamities we face, we will have to scrap the bottom of our barrel to feed those who are affected in floods and bomb blasts and other disasters.

    Meanwhile, those with fancy germanic names can continue to build fancy castles in the air, thinking of glorious days in the Land of the Pure.

    PS: Pls go easy with the exclamation marks, they only make your posts more vacuous. ThanksRecommend

  • Sep 20, 2011 - 4:12PM

    @John B:

    The word “ratify” has an Latin origin(I had had to study one year Latin,before I started

    studying Law in Berlin in 1984). RATIFICARE is the Latin word and means “to confirm”,to give a formal consent to something.

    As Trade “bills”….are treaties,they might be probably signed by the Trade Commission and later confirmed by the Congress.

    The correct word is not ratification as lawyers give a differnt meaning to it.

    The Congress in USA,by two-thirds votemay either propose an amendment or call a convention for proposing amendments to the Constitution.Any proposed amendments must be RATIFIED or approved,by either the Legislature(House of Representatives) or a convention in THREE-fourths of the states,before becoming effective.

    So…do you understand now WHAT is ratification…a VOLUNTARY election to adopt an act…the Congress does not act vuluntarily…it is obliged to VOTE on such treaties acc.to US Constitution ,Art.IV.

    The Congress votes on treaties…does not ratify them!

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  • Aizaz Moin
    Sep 20, 2011 - 5:31PM

    @ Rosie Deus-von Homeyer, Well said. I cannot understand why Pakistan needs America’s “PERMISSION” to buy Iranian Oil. “Please sir can I go to the toilet”?Recommend

  • Sep 21, 2011 - 1:00AM

    @malik:

    Germany belongs to NATO and according to the NATO Chapter is OBLIGED to join USA in their war on terror.

    The German Government said:”NO!” to George Bush,when he demanded,that GERMANY bombs Bagdad as they did it!

    Recently USA and UK were “disappointed”,that Germany did not send military planes to bomb Libya.

    Why the Germans have the courage to say:”NO!” to the Americans and the Pakistanis do not have this courage?

    Hey,the Karrocaram Highway is on your territory and you,Pakistani,have the right to say:”Our beloved and FAITHFUL American friends,we simply do not want to be

    extended arm of USA&NATO in the war in Afghanistan,therefore we could not allow our territory to be used to such a purpose. We are of the opinion,that since we allowed the supply line through our country,the insurgency in NWFT increased and we lost also many civilian lives”.

    So…let see ,if the Americans will pronounce you a terrorist state.They have to get firstly a resolution through UN.

    In 1986 after the bombing of Tripolli,Libya,USA imposed sanctions on Libya.

    And what? Did FRANCE or even UK or ITALY or Germany obliged to these sanctions?

    France sent it’s oil companies to Libya. british Petrolium was also drilling in the desert of Libya; Italy also also reciving gas&oil from Gaddafi anf German companies built desalination plants in Libya.

    I personaly have a friend in CYPRUS,who’s husband has been working for already 18 years in Libya as a civil engineer for Joahnou,Inc. a Cypriot construction company.

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  • MD
    Sep 21, 2011 - 3:03AM

    @Rosie Deus-von Homeyer
    Don’t act like a spokesperson of whole of Europe, just speak for yourself.
    Europeans couldn’t control a little war in their backyard ie. the Bosnian war. Ultimately, it was the US, that stepped in to put an end to the genocide that was taking place in the Balkans.
    You seems to be a neo-Islamist, brimming with enthusiasm to spread your “enlightened message” that mostly consist of anti-Americanism.
    Just cool down, how about a chilled beer!!Recommend

  • Rosie Deus-von Homeyer
    Sep 21, 2011 - 6:36PM

    @MD:

    I was born in Europe and I have been living in Europe almost my entire life and I travel regularly to many European countries,therefore I know what the common people are thinking.

    As for the war in the Balkans, it was initiated by America .Like always USA spread animosity between different religious groups,between the Shia and Sunni in Iraq;between the Turks and Christain Bulgarians…regrettably its startegy in Bulgaria did not work.

    I am not a neo-Islamisist. I was born a greek-Orthodox and as I said recently to a Pakistani friend(who lives in Germany),I will die as a Greek-Orthodox.

    As for Anti-Americanism…Who loves warmongers?!Recommend

  • why you want to know
    Sep 21, 2011 - 10:33PM

    a perfect recipe for losing both sides. if US agree to pak demand and present nuke deal then iran will be distanced that too for greater period of time and if US is disappointed then sanctions will fall upon pak. in either way mess awaits pakistan. moreover this open bargain just confers a message to both side that pakistan actually dont think of relationship and just want the material thus harming the nation identity.

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  • Aizaz Moin
    Sep 22, 2011 - 7:34PM

    @Rosie,
    Bravo you are on the right track here. However it is one of a task trying to unite Pakistanis under one flag. That is why we invaders can easily “walk in” and take overRecommend

  • saudi - the great pig
    Sep 23, 2011 - 12:07AM

    @MD:
    enemies are attacking our carvan .. help us !!Recommend

  • Sep 23, 2011 - 1:16AM

    @Was A Pakistani:

    The Pakistan Government can sign the so called PRODUCTION SHARING CONTRACTS in case it can not afford to fund the construction and technology of niclear plants.Actually I was told ,that UAE bought South Korean technology for the nuclear plant,which UAE builts 240 km north-west of Abu Dhabi.

    The Government of Pakistan can ask foreign companies,which are specialized in nuclear plants,to fund the projects and once the nuclear plant are ready to operate,the PROFITS of the electricity sales shall be divided.This is how the oil companies refurbished and modernized the oil fields of IRAQ.

    The Pkaistan Government should hire very shrewed and smart lawyers to dreaft the contracts,because there is a danger,that the Western companies could make it to sign the so called ADHESION CONTRACTS. What an adhesion contract is,you could read in a ny Law Dictionary.

    In 1956 when Standard Oil and British Petrolium discovered OIL in the desert of Dubai and Abu Dhabi,the Emirs were as poor as church mice.They also could not fund the building of the oil fields and refineries.The Great Emir of Abu Dhabi gave PROFITS a pendre(the right to go to another#s land and to take away someting of value from its soil or from the products of its soil) to Standard Oil(a California Company).

    Probably production sharing contracts were agreed .Now days everybody can see the results.

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