LAHORE:
The Punjab government project to build a modern forensics lab near Thokar Niaz Beg, which recently missed a fourth deadline for completion, is continuing to cost large sums of money in the form of wasted wages and inept organisation.
The lab was initially scheduled to be completed in July 2010 at a cost of Rs2.5 billion. It will now be completed at the earliest by September 2011.
The Punjab government has had to pay millions of rupees in demurrage on imported equipment that is lying at the dry port, an official told The Express Tribune on the condition of anonymity.
This includes a heating, ventilation and air conditioning system, elevators, generators and other equipment. The installation of a laboratory information system has also been held up, he said.
Equipment for conducting DNA, toxicology and narcotics tests that was imported in 2010 lies uninstalled in the basement of the building, he said. The kits and chemicals that came with the equipment for test runs have now expired. During a recent spell of rain, water seeped into the basement and damaged the machinery, said the official.
Dr Ashraf Tahir, a forensics scientist who had been acting as a consultant for the project, was recently hired as director general of the lab on a salary of Rs1.1 million per month. He officially started the job on July 4. Thirty-two other forensic scientists who were recruited in August 2009 and then trained in the United States, at a cost to the Punjab government of $685,000 (Rs58.794 million), are also drawing big salaries, though the lab is not yet functional.
Shahid Latif, deputy director of the project implementation unit for the Forensics Science Laboratory, said that the machinery had not been picked up from the port because there had been a delay in the civil works. He did not comment on the expired chemicals and kits.
Hamid Ashraf, the contractor for the project, said civil works had been completed and the machinery could be installed when the equipment was picked up from the dry port. He said that the chief minister had set up a committee headed by the planning and development chairman to find out why the project had been delayed and to decide a fine. “The delay was only due to modifications and alterations in the design,” he said.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 14th, 2011.
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Think twice before joining. You will always be considered inferior to the earlier sifarshis.
The earlier batch was a bunch of sifarshis. This is what happens in Pakistan. Sifarshis are offered better opportunities. Do not believe anyone unless they give you in writing that they are going to send you abroad for training. You will always be the "CHHOTTA" of the earlier cartel of scientists. I have met several of these scientists and they are absolute fools. Now you see that the PD was justifies in treating these sifarshis like he did.
Dearest ammara
i have the same issues but they said that training period will be of 6 months. the previous scientist will get further promotion after the completion of training of new batch so hopefully they'll try to complete training in time.. they also said that chairman has plans of sending the new scientists abroad aswell. i asked about the joining date and they said it'll be next month.,...any news regarding that?
It is unfair that pfsa has offered less salary. The new scientists have been discriminated. The earlier batch was offered double salary as compared to new ones even when they were untrained. They were also payed $1000 each as stipend during training in USA in addition to salaries. The travelling and education expanditure was borne by Govt of Punjab. They also provided the surety bond of 5 million as new one will also provide. The earlier batch has become a cartel who force the management to take decisions in their interests. New batch will get training in Pakistan and their perks and privileges are less as has been mentioned in offer letters so they should be less liable as compared to ealier batch. Their surety bond should be of half ammount as compared to earlier batch. Furthermore, they have not mentioned the training period. This means they will keep on extending the period of training at their will. It is also worth mentioning here that cartel of earlier scientists will damage the interests of the agency.
Why is their website not displaying the names of the selected?
Oh my God. I guess I will meet up with Hakeem Sahib and beg him to continue for another few months. I should not have resigned so soon.
How is dat possible? They told me joining will be within few days. I have given resign. Can anyone please confirm that. Plz plz plz anyone tell me. ASAP..
offer letters have been issued to all the departments
Letters have not been issued for some departments. Is that true?
Yes I kknow.. Joining date willl b 1st december. Pack ur stuff from previous job.
Aany news about the joining?? Or appointment letter?
Hahaha.. that was 1 lac. Hahaha, now you can point mistakes in English language. And the other Asim (would be lift operator) you are not the only Asim in the world.
I am getting i lac rupees. Will never swap my job with yours.
I heard that too. This mean I cannot resign for two three month from Hakim sahib's pharmaceutical.
i have been told that appointment letters will be issued after 2-3 months. is that right?
Ask the office for a sample and then get it done.
can anyone please guide me about the offer letter acceptance. how to get surety bond? what else to provide? anyone please write a detailed note.
Stop pretending to be me. I hated to work in Hakim sahib's pharmacy and now I am happy.
@aneeqa: congratulation to all of u i also take my offer letter and completing my process medical , character certifcate etc............MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.........thank TO ALMIGHTY ALLAH WHO BLESSED US WITH SUCCESS IN THIS HOLY MONTH OF RAMDAN
Thank God now I leave hakim sahib's pharmacy and go to office.
Dear All, Thanks to Almighty God i received my offer letter yesterday. The much more complex period, we spent, has been over now. Congratulations to you all.
One thing if you want to adopt this as you career. The sifarshis before you were trained in the US. They will be considered for promotion first no matter how good you perform? You will be trained by uncertified trainers who themself lack necessary experience and credentials to train anyone. Although, they received training in the US, none were able to get certified.
@Aneeqa First all the paper work will be done. Like Medical Fitness and Character Certifcate etc. Acceptance of Offer. Then Insha Allah training/Joining as Trainee will be done till END SEPTEMBER.
P.S. You people accused me of Using Your Names :D I never Did.
Thanks to Express Tribune which Provided a Platform for all the Applicants too Stay in Touch and Share views and news during all this hectic long waiting time.
A friend of mine got the Letter today. She said that letter says that for 6 months you will get 40K. before joining Medical Fitness from Mayo Hospital Lahore and a Character Certificate needs to be submitted. She didnt read the letter herself as she wasnt home when letter arrived.
@aneeqa: i said that letter will be recieved all of us with a week
I have not received letter.
Congratulation all of u i also confirmed and have been selected and I THANK GOD millions of times and letters have been issued it is confirmed and will be received within a day and two...........plz pray to GOD and thank GOD all of u selected ...............it is all due to the blessings of GOD in this holy month of ramdan ........fe AMAN ALLAH ..........WISH U ALL THE BEST ALL OF U
Allah is Great. I have called to Civil Secretariat. They Confirmed me. May Allah succeed all. Ameen
@ali: Not everyone with a security clearance will be issued an offer letter. You must be dumb and nuts to believe that. Some people will be in the waiting list.
yes. he is right. In fact, for some departments, the letters have been issued yesterday.
Dear All
I am very pleased to inform all, that the offer letters for scientists and technician has been issued. InshaAllah they will receive in 1-2 days.(Alhmdolilah).Please thank to Allah.Pray for all and me also....
Dear All ! I heard from a friend that he got the offer letter yesterday.
it is unfair to use the name of someone else to prove one's point.
@Someone: How do you know whether anyone was selected or not? You must be a sifarshi and know people on the inside. BTW, I went through security clearance.
One More thing: Please stop spreading any rumors. And don't spread dejection as Hopeless is a Sin. Allah has also forbidden us to be dejected. Always hope for Allah's Help. I never think myself selected instead I expect myself to be one of selected if Allah has written This Job in the Book for me. Just expect the Best. No one is certain about any news unless One Finds himself working in PFSA in future on the desired seat where they applied to be selected.
This was the security Clearance procedure which lit a hope in all the Applicants who passed the Test and Were Interviewed and Later were visited by Security Agency Staff for Security clearance. And this Delay created ambiguities which Insha Allah will soon be Cleared.
Dear All who Think Us to Be Sifarishi.. :) I am proud to declare that I dont have any sifarish except Allah and I am doing my 3rd Job. Everytime I applied for a Job and Selected. Every time I got a better Job. I never used any reference or bribery to get any Job. You people just crammed up the story "Grapes are Sour" but never understood it. You people are living example of the story. You didnt get selected and now You think that all who have the possibility of being slected were recruited through sifarish and bribe. PFSA has just kicked all the sifarishi's in Test and Interview procedure. Please be a man and Muslim. Trust in Allah. Saaf niyyat and yaqeen sey apply kia karain Job pe. Insha Allah Aaap ke bhi selection ho jaya karay ge. Alaways be humble and Thankful to Allah. Do as Allah directs You and Insha Allah, Allah will fullfill Your prays. Prays with sincerity are never Returned from Allah.
@aneeqa: U applied for scientist or for lab technician N thanks that they visited ur home
@aneeqa: okaz gud
@Hina: they come but i was not home. i not sure who came.
@aneeqa: did anyone ur security clearance.............By Staff
The hiring process should not be repaeted. It's very hard to take the exam. I have trying to find a job which pay half salary of PFSA but its very difficult. I go for 3 interviews but failed. PFSA is my only hope.
I forgot to mention that my current salary is Rs. 25000 per month and PFSA certainly offers a higher salary.
Its not nice to make personal remarks about one another. The point is that due to high level of unemployment, people are unable to get jobs and have to wait for whatever positions are available.
aneega and somone, Truth hurts. No one knows about the people who have been selected unless both of you are sifarishis and are definite about your offer letters. This again shows that you were unable to secure a job on merit and had to go for sifarish. Money is not everything for someone who either doesn't have any or cannot earn it. It is a fact that both of you are losers and cannot find a better job. No one is going to leave a better job and come and join PFSA. hahahaha. Oh and I am not interested in a second try. I am just not interested as I have a better job. All I am saying is that they should initiate the employment process again to get better people, not losers like aneega and someone.
And Alhumd-o-lillah, I have got a very good Job and It is paying me more than what we are expecting at PFSA. But money is not everything. I will give one month resignation here on my current Job for PFSA Job Insha Allah. as PFSA has more learning possibilities than any other Job. PFSA is total scientific Job. and It will change Pakistan.... Insha Allah.
and those who got selected were screened thru a series of transparent test n interview. There is so,e talent in those who got seleted nt like you who are using slang language to call them garbage.. You better have a look at yourself..
Thats not what most are going to do. May be you were not good enough to find a good job in a year. Most people worth employing did find a good position.
this is a good opportunity.. so ppl who are already working somewhere will leave their present positions for this job.. thats my guess.. and thats wat am gonna do.
@ahmed: Yes that is true. But given the importance and size of the project, its only a small inconvenience.
The situation here is seems to be different. Look at the comments. Many people are waiting for the induction but it is quite obvious that many seats will be left vacant.
They should initiate the hiring process again. Due to delay several good candidates have joined other jobs leaving behind garbage.
Labs will take time to become full operational. All sources are suggesting it that induction of new staff is very near.
hey everyone i liked the suggestion and i have made a fb page. please share your comments there and join.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Punjab-Forensic-Science-Agency-Applicants/118528394911751
@ ch Nasir: when will the lab be functional fully and when will the new scientists and technicians joining?
@ahmed it is a very nice suggestion. I think we should make f.b group
@aneeqa: The message of CM in news-report clearly shows this. @ahmed: yes, they are working on different assignments. It is wrong to say that they are not working. It is true that the lab is not functional fully.
@ahmed: They are probably serving the VIPs only.
@SALMAN: @Someone: @aneeqa: @hmm: WHat will be salary of lab technician after training
@hmm: Is it right that letters will be issued in two weeks? and what is salary of Technicians?
What will be the annual increments in salary?
@aneeqa 80000
@aneeqa
yes I hv the same info regarding salary during training 27000 for technician and nearly 60000 for scientist..
someone is right. In the commissioning phase of labs, the scientists will get familiar with the instruments in a better manner. During accreditation period of labs, when the instruments are standardized, manpower is required in the lab. That is why, CM has allowed new inductions. The scientists will also be able to get contact with foreign suppliers.
@Someone The arguments of someone are right where as my info is... the same way they will move as the 32 scientists working there are making a plan for the training of new ones as the D.G has directed them....
Guys, All the new Inducted Scientists and Technicians need 6 month Training Prior to completion of Lab so that They might not be Dumb and Blank when Lab is functional. That's why PFSA will get Joining even Lab isn't complete. I think now It makes sense to You why they will hire before the completion. And one more thing during Training You will not get Full Salary. Instead You might get Half the Salary as Stipend. Best of Luck Guys
@ salman and someone have you ppl visited the lab urself? if you would have visited you wouldnot be saying that. lab isnt complete yet. hell of construction work and installation of machinery is left and you ppl think that they will make new scientists join the lab considering the factor that 32 scientists are already getting their pay for doing nothing. i dont think this lab is going to get completed till sept. and if it doesnt get completed there is no way you ppl are getting your offer letters. mark my words
@anonymous: your r wrong brother i confirm by my source it is 100% confirm that letter will be issued with a week or two............plz dont spread rumours...........u seems to be dejected fraction of society ............for God sake dont believe on such stupid news
Dear fellas, I have got info that You will get offer letters before eid. After completing some paper work, joining will be till end september. Insha Allah. Don't be dejected. Hiring is not a child's play that PFSA starts it again. Just pray for all. Hope for best.
and he also told that there is no possibility of offer letters before october. so please dont keep your hopes too high.
@ salman.. what are you resources? i heard this from a guy who has been selected as technician and his friend told him that? i pray he is wrong
@anonymous: plz for God sake dont tell a lie .........CM not ordered to hire new appointment.......he just give his permission to hire staff whose verification is already completed
i asked my resources but they are not confirm about this appointments.. whether they are going to start this process again or they are considering the selected candidates of last year.. whenever anyone gets reliable info plz share. we are really worried about our future.. thanks
@Ashes same info I got... InshaAllah
@hmm.. thanks again for clarifying the situation :)
Today i have called to their office. They said that the offer letters will likely to be issued near about 20th august. They also said that the persons who are clear in security check process are confirmed further more 20 august is not a fixed date but it is sure that letters will be issued soon. This will be decided in next meeting with Chief Secretary. DG is totally independent in selection. If they are going to issue the offer letters soon then it means that new recruitment is not possible in such a short span. Further You can call them on the phone number as given on their website. Please pray for all because this is future of of those who have waited for last one year. May Allah help all of us and make us colleagues in this department. Ameen
@ all specially thanks to aneeqa who shown so trust on my statement. I called the frnd about this news that was also distrubing for me the frnd replied the staff has not received any news about the new hiring of staff still or any further detail of meeting as soon they got something he will inform me. where as my personal views are that new recruitments will not be announced as the previous selection was purely on merit and all the high level members were present in the process. Moreover a plan is going on in the lab for the training of new ones as the present scientists are working on that so I do't think they will announce new appointment as it takes along time for selection. My news from all sources (home dept + lab) they are going to issue offer letter very soon.INSHAALLAH so hope for positive and pray for betterment
@ali: @ahmed: @ammara khawja: WHat u means its mean we hv need no waiting the result ........m i right.What 's ammara khawja 's saying ......its right news or wrong news
The message of CM as has been reported in news is ambiguous. It seems that he is intending new recruitment. What does you think? In this scenario, what will be the future of those, who appeared last year?
this news is a great one. lets hope lab competes soon and new scientists get their letter asap. anyone who can tell more inside story of the meeting? what was decided in the meeting? when will the lab start functioning? anyone plz?
Okaz no need for given me link i searched that 's this http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/08/cm-reviews-forensics-lab-project/
@aneeqa: whr 's that news i want to read also ....hv u link for that
i read the news about the meeting.. but lab still seems way too far from completion. otherwise CM would have given some inauguration date.
INSHA ALLAH offer letter will b issued soon bcz CM tomorrow presided over the meeting about forensic lab and issued instruction about its early completion and recruiting of newly oppointed scientist and other employed purely on merit quickly and ........bcz of blessing of ALMIGHTY ALLAH in this holy month of RAMDAN plz keep praying ALLAH will help all of us .....MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF U.....and u may all people hear good news as soon as possible ....... FE AMAN ALLAH
It is not confirm that 14 aug is the inauguration date but it is very much expected that offer letter are going to issue just before eid or immediately after eid Insha Allah. So keep praying for betterment...
Is it confirmed that agency is being inaugurated on 14 august?
This department can turn out to be an excellent department for the dispensation of justice.
rana is right. If Pakistanis knew how to run things, Pakistan would be a lot better country. Most of you are so desperate for a job that you are unable to see the truth. This department is nothing compared to heaps of other failed government organizations which are many times larger and have a much larger budget.
@rana
why are u so hyper, they better know how to run the lab than u.disel will be provided as the lab start working, every thing would be fine and always try to think positively.
lab without generator facility-no funds for generator diesel-during electricity failure, lab with no electricity -how can it work?? funds for misuse of many cars fuel are easily availabe!! look at peferences of administration. project full of stories of loot and plunder!!
@hmmm.. Thnx alot for updating us.. And its really a gud news.. Lets hope everything goes the way u r telling it to be..
yes he is right. During erection period of labs, these people will also get acquainted with the instruments in a good manner.
@aneeqa
I talked to the frnd in detail who works in the lab, he said there are more chances of joining after eid and installation of equippment may take few months and the proper working of lab might start from november or december this year during this period the new ones might get training. Please pray all as this a month of Ramzan...
@Hina: Speak for yourself and not others. You may believe in the best but not everyone is a day-dreamer like you.
@rana: u r disappointed person............U should encourage new comers while u r spreading here rumors
@ hmm.. i'll be waiting for your response :)
@rana.. lab machinery is not installed but what about the other machinery like lifts, cooling/heating unit etc? will the lab be functional after september or not?
@aneeqa ok i shall talk today
lab machinery not installed yet. wait and see? new comers before joining decide casual -earned-maternity-medical leaves with administration. existing forensic scientists salary is deducted for all kind of leave-fraud is done by administration with justice providers against contract policy of punjab government. decide your annual increments- raise in salary given by govt at various times-not given to existing forensic scientists-otherwise remain at same salary for five years.floor tiles of lab are substandard quality-are covered by qaleens against normal pracice of labs to hide ugly looks.
@hmm ask your friend about the status of lab machinery? is it installed yet or still not picked up?
hope so...
@all
The punjab govt has also said that all mega projects within lahore should complete till 31 september 2011.
@ R.Din u mean to say lab will be inaugrated on 14th august? but lab is still incomplete.. how can it be inaugrated on 14th august??
@Huma: be patient please. Both channels will be used. The result will be announced on website. Each candidate may also be contacted via mobile. The candidates will be called to certain venue to collect letters by hand. @R.Din: Govt is investing so much money on the job -holders. It wants to save money. It is as same as one is serve the army at least 18 years. You must also speak for them.
@R.Din: what a mess have you created? 2.5 billions (as reported in above news) is the total cost of the project of which approx. 890 million is the cost of construction(source: NESPAK newsletter). 1.4 billions is to be released this year. This amount was to be spent last year but could not be spent due to delay in construction. You can refer to budget document 2011-12. Now count the other activities viz training cost and salaries of scientists and some of instruments that have been purchased. Look, if 500 millions have been embezzled by only PD. Then, CM should at least take more than 500 million. Still, we have not counted the share of other officials. Now, you may say, the money was made in the process of awarding contracts but one must see the big chunk of money is to be released yet. what can be said that only 1 billions have been spent. 500 millions can never be embezzled.
@R.Din: No one will listen to you.
@hmm: in website result of home department will come along offer letter ………………….or first will come result at website thn after five or six days later will come offer latter ……………these both will cum together ……………..or there will be little bit difference between of them that first will come result in website than after a long time candidates found call letter
new appointees --take care before signing offer of appointment letters. never sign five year bond on judicial paper. it is one sided -- must be one months notice on either side. forensic scientists which signed five year judicial bond are licking their wounds-are exploited by administration.great corruption in project-PD made 500 hundred acres of land and 500 million rupees including close aides. LIMS system purchased--costing 2.3 Million dollars!!! valuing not more than one lac rupees, further looting on name of validation,accreditation and many more underhand deals is on- white elephant project--dark future.single table specialities!!! are inaugrated on 14 august.CM--careful.few days back committe room --ground floor submerged in water-damaging new furniture--qaleens!!! still wet.media alert!!!
in website result of home department will come along offer letter ......................or first will come result at website thn after five or six days later will come offer latter ...............these both will cum together .................or there will be little bit difference between of them that first will come result in website than after a long time candidates found call letter
A frnd from home dept. plz pray all
@hmm: How do you have this info?
@hmm: from what Source Plz? Who are selected candidates means those whom security check has been cleared?
@hmm: that is the good new if that is true
i got a news that offer letter are going issue from 20 th of August.
If they are doing so, this violation of laws. They are simply exploiting the employees and are getting documents signed. The applicants in other departments are signing the documents because they are ignorant of laws. The situation in our education sector is deteriorating. The universities are growing at unchecked speed where quality is missing. Even colleges have been given the status of universities over night. Over the years, the institutes became the universities in the modern world. Once, honorable Dr. atta ur rehman termed these universities ''degree awarding institutes.'' The universities start new program even with thinking over the future of candidates. Similar stories can be seen in medical field and private schools/colleges. It is also worth mentioning here that admission in public sector medical colleges is really very tough and the private colleges are not recognized by the PMDC. The students of private medical colleges have to appear in a test to get them recognized.
What is the pay? No one is answering this question.
Its not about what they permit and do not permit. Its about what is happening in different govt departments especially when it comes to contractual employees. These days admission to some medical college is extremely easy and becoming a doctor is even easier. There are heaps of private medical colleges in addition to the government ones. The students in these medical colleges are busy finding a mate rather than acquiring knowledge. Medical graduates are hired because doctors have to carry out autopsies. This is nothing new. This does not mean that they know anything about other branches of forensics as well.
If there is some experienced one, he may be paid more. Here in this case, no one is trained and will be trained at PFSA. So, qualification of applicants is just the basic requirement. B.A is not equal to M.A but after the competitive exams, both are trained and are offered same salary. Furthermore, the persons already working at PFSA do not have such discrimination of different salaries. How can now this be possible? The plight is our education system is pathetic and other institutions are no exception. First, it is very hard to get admission in medical college and then, it is equally hard get the degree. In every medical college, there is forensic department which imparts training in forensic sciences. So, medical graduates are equally eligible for this field and they are pursue their career in forensics. It is also worth mentioning here, the medical reports to be used in courts are also prepared by doctors. That's why, PFSA have also considered doctors. Now, take the example of the post of Inspector Anti-corruption for which recruitment by commission is in process. The basic education required is B.A. But, the persons having Masters have also applied. Is it possible to determine the salary considering education? Recruitment policy may be vague but the rules made by regulation wing of S&GAD do not permit different salaries at same post.
What you are saying is illogical. I know several people hired on contractual basis in various departments are being paid according to their qualifications and experience. The service rules you are talking about are too vague. An M.Phil is definitely higher than an MBBS. An M.Phil and MBBS being eligible for the same job is just like BA and MA being allowed to appear for the CSS. This does not mean that BA=MA. Besides, the kind of medical graduates we have these days is pathetic. Only an unsuccessful and incapable MBBS would opt for an alternative career like a FS. Education is a way to determine the salaries in most government departments. There is nothing wrong with different salaries for the same position. A person who deserves more should be paid more. Even people working in BPS scales are offered different salaries at the time of recruitment. This is done in the form of offering some extra increments at the time of employment.
we should not worry abt pay.. It will be equal for all scientists.. Our major point of concern which not a single person paid attention to, should be the completion of lab.. I asked this qn earlier and repeating it again.. Wats the present status of machinery lying on dry port? Has it arrived the lab and its instalation is in process or the construction and instalation work is still at halt.. Can anyone tell us the progress plz?
PFSA has developed its own grade system. Yes, there is no BPS. PFSA is bound to follow the policy of recruitment which was announced in 2004. Due to high court interference, every department is bound to offer at least 5 year service. Otherwise, government can hire the persons for three years. The same policy also insists on the same salary formula. What you are suggesting is, a lecturer hired in one college may have more salary than his colleague working in another college. Furthermore, if different types of education required for a job are mentioned in the advertisements, this is done after considering the fact that both are equally eligible for the job. Even, public service commission follow the same suit. Now, take the case of PFSA. If they are making education as a base to determine remuneration, i think it will be disastrous. One scientist working on less salary as compared with his colleagues working on the similar tasks will be less motivated and feel jealousy for others. There will be no working relationship with the colleagues. The authority of fixing salary arbitrarily will surely be abused. Now, take some specific case. A man having MBBS is simply a graduate in the eye of law that means 16 years education. In fact, he must have completed 18 years because of prof system in medical institutions. If he is compared with some M.Phil (18 years education) and is offered less remuneration, it will be a big injustice to the person having a professional degree. Even the persons hired already for this job, dont have such differences.
@Anonymous: These jobs are not in any grade. There is no BPS. Its a contractual job and in a contractual job, different people can be offered different salaries for the same position. This is happening is several government departments. It all depends on the authorities.
@anonymous: According to Pay and pension commission of Pakistan and Punjab rules of services, the persons hired on same date, having same grade and in a same department have same salaries. Don't spread rumours. PFSA has also denied your earlier claims.
I have been told that pay will differ from person to person depending upon the qualifications.
@anonymous: Please see the above comments for salary. It looks strange that the final result will be announced after all acceptance of offer letters by applicants. Any specific reason for this? what is your source of information?
candidates from which department/discipline got the offer letters?? Can anyone confirm?
wats the mentioned pay in offer letter then?
How much will they pay?
Some candidates have been contacted and give the offer letter. Final result may be announced after everyone accepts the offer.
No one has got any thing other than wait...
i confirmed from my resources that no one has been issued offer letter yet.. dont spread rumors please..
@Anonymous: On which basis, some of applicants have got offer letters not all? Is there anyone here who has got offer letter?
@Anonymous: If so, there results have not been shown on website.
@Anonymous: is that true they issued the appointment letter
Few candidates got the offers letters, which contains terms n conditions. Congrates After providing few documents, they ll find the appointment letters
can anyone here tell the progress of lab completion.. Mr ch nasir or anyone?? can u tell us about the present condition? has the equipment which was stuck at dry port arrived at lab? is it being in the process of installment? or is it still lying on dry pory? unless lab is complete no one is gonna get appointment letter.. :)
only this is the newspaper, which kept people in touch with the progress constantly. During installation period of instruments, the presence of scientists will make them aware of technicalities of instruments.
Express tribune must write on the candidates' situation
@Non: it may be useless for someone. I think, this job is linked with dispensation of justice and should be the first choice for some candidate. @Hina: The want to mint money money means that they wanted to earn money in the process of movement of file.
@Hina: It simply means that they are expecting money to move file. Otherwise it may take many months. @Non This job may be useless for someone but for others, it is blessing. I think, it is most satisfying career where one is linked with dispensation of justice. What do you think?
@Ashes
I totally agree wit u. many of us had missed many opputunities... they are not doing the right wit us
The fact is that due to a lot of arguments candidates are now hopeless and considering that they should search a new job. A lot of scientists are migrated to abroad because of these circumstances in Pakistan. The last and only way to protest is to write a letter to CM and inform him about the current mental status of candidates. It is confirmed that the candidates who have cleared the security check by intelligence team are confirmed but such a delay shows that there is some thing wrong. I know my friend who has missed the scholarship in split PhD program just because of the reason that he was hopping that PFSA will issue the offer letter soon after security check. This is the question of all the candidates' future. they are getting sick because of this reason.
This is a useless job.
@anonymous: If you guys were interviewed in English, it must be very funny.
@Ashes: Mr anonymous is right. My sources also confirmed this fact. No one is interested to move this file. They are hoping to mint money.
Urdu and English, both were used in interviews. Every candidate had different experience. Some were interviewed merely using English. It was discretion of interviewers. Why are you so much interested in it? All interviewees were graduates from the prestigious universities of Pakistan. The similar candidates appear in the competitive examinations and other public and private sector jobs.
What language was used during the interview?
@anonymous: You are right, As per my information, the same is the case.
I called them 10 days ago they told me its upto higher authority when they issue the offer letters. some times they said it will take about 2 months.
@anonymous: Dear from what source do you have this information?
I must agree with Beige. You should improve your English.
CM has signed the file for recruitment of new employees. That file is hanging in somewhere between CM secretariat, Home department, Finance department and PFSA. The process of file movement is very much slow because this file has no wheels. I hope, you can all understand.
@Hina: yeh u r right they will first announce result on website then they will send appointment letter..........but time of two months mean because one of my friend told me who work there
@SALMAN: How can u say its take about 2 months
@SALMAN: n hv u knowledge that whn thy will announced the result at website
@SALMAN: i think they will announced result will at website ,nt they will issued appointment letter
SO FOR SINGING OF BOND IS CONCERNED ......u will b bound to sign it otherwise u will not be recruited what so ever the case may be.........it is on upto u?
salary is around 50000 of lab technician how u can justify ur statement of 30000 because so for i confirmed it is around 50000.........and letter will be issued with in two monthss
@Beige its nt an eng essay writing cmptn. hahahahah
The writing of correct English will be the part of training.
@Ashes: howz u known that all candidates r selected
Oh God. These guys write "ugly" English. How are these scientists going to write forensic reports? Hahaha
The salary of Lab technicians is 50K and the candidates who are investigated and have passed this security check step are now selected. I called them in the month of March 2011, they said that offer letters were issued in two months. then i again called them in June, they said one month later. again i called 2 days ago, they said 2 months later. At least they should inform the candidates that they are selected and the lab is going to start working. can any body tell me what is the relationship between the current final working on building and offer letters. there is going some thing wrong.....................
@rana: did u built the buildings ,don't separate here Rumours,n dnt spoil mind of candidates .................................................just do ur work ,
The persons who appeared in competitive exams like CSS and PMS also sign such bonds to ensure their presence for the said period.
@rana: did u make building.n hv u any trouble that why pplz r joining after coming of result ,u just do ur work n why pplz dnt join ,at least they r waiting for a one years for result
Besides 30K is a very small amount while the useless scientists hired earlier are being paid 80K.
@Imran: 30000
@Anonymous: 30k stands for ,tell me kindly
The salary will not be more than what the scientists are getting at the moment. It will be around 80000/month. Correct me if I am wrong.
it will be around 30k.
can any body told me what would b the salary of forensic technician.......waiting for reply.thanks?
The applicants still waiting for the offer letter the ones who cannot find a good job. In other words, they are not capable of finding anything better.
It is safe to estimate the timing till September. It may be announced before.
your inside information should better be correct.. otherwise all applicants are so annoyed that am afraid someday they are gonna start protest against PFSA
@Amana: just inside information
@SALMAN: hwz u known that result will be late ,have u inside information or u work in Punjab forensic science agency
@Amana: not known exactly but hope so they wil announce till september .....may be latter
@ali: When Punjab forensic science agency will announced the result tell me kindly
Yes, there is much sense in this notion. Actually, after final selection, the lists are sent for security clearance.
@all.. If any one came to ur house either frm pfsa or frm police.. They wrote dwn anything or didnt.. This all stuff was security clearance.. So dont worry.. Its one n the same thing..
Is there any news? When will the result be announced? whats up about the recruitment of directors and auxiliary staff?
@Mariya: thanks a lot so nice of u
@ali: thanks a lot
@ali: Punjab forensic science agency has person came in my home bt there were no any such kind of forms at his hand ,he asked me all information oral n did nt written there ,n this person belongs to staff of Punjab forensic science agency 's it security clearance or its different process i m so worry plaz tell me abt it
@Mariya: @ali: thanks a lot so nice of u
@ali: in my home came person of 'Punjab forensic science agency ' bt he did nt take as forms n did nt filled forms ,'s it security clearance,n he was staff member of Punjab forensic science agency
@salman: n its same thing ,there 's no difference between of this ,its same both verification n security clearance
The courts will need English language experts to interpret and understand reports written by forensic scientists working for PFSA.
@salman: Both terms are used for one process.
@salman: okaz dnt worry be chill n be happy
its the same dude.. take a chill pill..
@Mariya: i mean after verification they did seprate security celarance? or verification and security clearance is the same? plz tell me waiting i m much confused.....thanks
@Mariya: A.A. dear mariya u mention in here in reply of me that did police came at ur home for security clearance.........so for thlis is concerned two persons of IB (intelligence beauro) for verification at my home they filled two forms and ask me some particular ........but i dont know about clearance is there clearance is different process after verification or this is the same please carify............thanks waiting for ur response
yup.. i have inside info..
@ali: hwz u known that its true or fake information according of ur point of view that whose ppls hv did security clearance by police thy r selected n whose did nt security clearance by police in their homes they r nt selected ,hv ur any relatives work in Punjab forensic science agency so u r hundred percent confirmed
The candidates for the post of scientists write wonderful English.
@ali: thanks for conveying information
Nothing can be said with certainty until the result is announced.
@mariya.. its true..
@salman: did police has been came in ur house or nt ,if police has came for security clearance in ur house then u r selected ,n if police has been nt came in ur house then for those candidates i heard sorry ,i dnt knw its true news or fake news
dear any one can told me when will the announce the result of people whose verification was conducted ? and are they selected or not? plz help i m waiting a lot from one year
These projects are a source of corruption. Such projects are initiated to drain money out of government coffers. People connected with such projects purchase new houses and cars with public money. Corruption and the corrupt should be rooted out before wasting money on any projects.
The Delay in PFSA Commpletion Sucks!
so u should criticize the corruption not the projects.. corruption should be stopped not the projects..
@ali: Its not about being negative or positive. Its about accepting the truth as it is.
@anon.. dont think so negative.. if u r having that kinda approach am afraid this country is neva gonna make some progress..!
@ch Nasir: There are no white sheep in our society especially in the government departments. New projects are initiated to draw money from the government and not for the betterment of the country or the society.
@ali: Nothing can be said with certainty. Although the building will be completed till the announced date yet it will take more time to get operational. It takes a long time to get instruments installed and then get them standardized. Non-standardized equipment may spare some culprit. It is matter of life and death of a accused. The result should have been announced till now. A whole year has passed after interviews. A candidate may have been fully integrated in a private company in a year. They can announce the results now but may delay appointments as has been recommended above. Perhaps they are enjoying while applicants are anxious about their future.
@ch nasir.. thanks for all the info.. it was of really great help.. one more question in mind.. when will new scientists be hired..? those who were selected last year and are waiting for call letters? when will they b joining the lab? in sept/oct?? or its gonna get more late than that?? kindly give a realistic time as we have heard a lot of rumors before. thanks anyways.
Not all the people are corrupt. The black sheep always there in a office. Our society is also responsible for it. The society is corrupt because individuals are corrupt. That does not mean that new projects should not be initiated. It is also mentioning here that current human resources will be used for a project because there is no choice. To tackle the corruption, some departments are also present but they are also human beings and product of this society.
It seems that some power politics is going in agency. The people having vested interests are jeopardizing the project. Actully, the recruitment of directors and managers of labs is in process. Many people are in power tussle to get selected. They are using all the sources to get pressurized the selection board.
People are against the project because like any other government project, this has turned into a fodder for the corruption. From hired scientists to contractors to the management, this project is full of corrupt and incapable people.
we are not against it.. we are highly in the favor of such projects. all i am trying to say is govt should bring those people to task who are creating problems in the completion of such a project which is the need of hour..
@anon The fault lies in both (govt. and contractor). The whole government machinery is slow. The first deadline could have been realistic. The planning was good. The time period for each activity was realistic. The problem lies with other government departments. Finance, treasury, Home, Police, Customs and excise, CM secretariat and audit and accounts departments came in constant contact with the project. Everyone wanted its share to expedite the work. The working of these departments is slow. So, the dead-line could not be met. On the other hand, contractor, sensing the slow policy of govt. adapted as per environment. Contractor did not hire professionals in time. So, technical work and solutions could not be provided in time. There were also changes and modifications time to time which also proved to be hindrances in the way of project.
@ali Yes this date is realistic but for civil work only. Some of the instruments have been procured and others are in process. Some time will also be required to set and standardize these instruments in labs. Only after that, the lab will be truly functional. There are a number of instruments in the lab and while installation phase will be in progress, the lab will be functional but not with all facilities. Some of instruments have already been installed over which analysis is conducted.
The security situation is deteriorating. The crime-rate is on increasing. The militants are spared due to lack of evidence. Pakistani investigators rely on eye-witnesses rather forensic evidence while prosecuting in courts. Many countries including India has setup such labs in every province/state level. Surely, this lab will prove to be a check over crime rate and police highhandedness. It is also surprising to note, why people are against the project which will revolutionize the entire prosecution system.
This lab will prove a to be a white elephant in the future.
@ nasir
what you say this deadline is realistic one or this deadline will be treated as previous deadlines and extensions will be given again and again??
thats really bad.. mr. nasir can you tell whose fault is this..? cantractor or punjab govt..? punjab govt should heavily fine contractor for the delays in civil works. and as cited by the contractor if civil work is complete why they are not installing equipment and machinery?? contractor is blaming that govt has not picked up the machinery while civil works are complete and deputy director is blaming that civil works has not been completed? whose right and whose wrong? whom should we blame..?
It is sad to note that the planning of the government has failed to complete the project in time. It seems that the officials of government needs more training in planning and execution of strategies. The home department must have given a lengthy extension, when it realized that it was possible to meet the first date of completion. The project must have been planned keeping in view the pros and cons of the project. It is also pleasing to note that no additional costs have been demanded by project. Earlier hiring of the scientists has also been beneficial for the agency. The installation phase of labs has been supervised by the concerned scientists of the labs. This not enhanced their experience but also proved to be a check over contractors providing equipment. Furthermore, they are busy in process of making SOP's of labs and different equipment which will be used in the labs. SOP's will keep a check on the new scientists who will be appointed soon. In addition to this, scientists also solved the cases, the tests of which could be conducted at present. The case of the murder of Parents of renowned judge of supreme court may be cited for this purpose.