Our textbooks and the lies they teach

Published: April 14, 2011
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The writer is consulting editor, The Friday Times

The writer is consulting editor, The Friday Times

Due to the 18th Amendment, a momentous shift in Pakistan’s governance arrangements is taking place through a politically mediated and largely consensual manner. The federal government is being trimmed and 10 ministries have already been devolved to the provinces. A key development pertains to the devolution of education — lock, stock and barrel — to the provinces. Most notably, the odious era of setting poisonous, centralised curricula in the name of a ‘martial’ nationalism is finally over. Whether the past practices of turning Pakistan into a jihad project will end is uncertain, unless the provinces take the initiative and reverse the regrettable trajectory of the past.

Pakistani textbooks have preached falsehoods, hatred and bigotry. They have constructed most non-Muslims, especially Hindus, as evil and primordial enemies, glorified military dictatorships and omitted references to our great betrayal of the Bengali brothers and sisters who were the founders and owners of the Pakistan movement. It is time to correct these wrongs.

However, this shift will be daunting for many reasons. The provinces are not well-prepared and would need to build capacities at their end. Similarly, generations of pseudo-historians, inspired by state narratives, exist who are willing to perpetuate the culture of weaving lies. Other than the ideological issues, bureaucratic slovenliness has also marred past performance. While the Punjab and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa textbook boards have been updating curricula, those in Sindh and Balochistan have not done so for nearly a decade.

So it is heartening to note that the Sindh government has finally made some headway now on the issue. The education department is working to update and align textbooks with the 2006 guidelines agreed to by all provinces. In addition, efforts are underway with the expertise of civil society to introduce critical modes of teaching, with supplementary learning material for both teachers and students.

The Sindh education department and the textbook board under the 2006 policy will be following a transparent process, inviting private publishers to submit books for subjects such as English, Mathematics, General Knowledge and Social Studies. For the first time, private publishers will be submitting transcripts for approval. The draft textbooks will then be reviewed by a committee comprising government and private experts and will finally be published in time for the April 2012 academic year.

What are the chances of this brilliant idea being implemented? Despite the odds, there is a strong likelihood that it may work. Largely, because the ruling coalition has an agreement over this issue and the 18th Amendment give full powers to the province. It is critical that other provinces also take note of Sindh’s initiative and set up similar reform committees.

Extremism in Pakistan has grown beyond belief and radicalisation of the young minds is a great challenge for Pakistan’s future. The provinces need to move quickly and undo the wrong committed by central authorities in the past.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 15th, 2011.

Reader Comments (210)

  • Ali
    Apr 14, 2011 - 11:24PM

    Thank you sir for writing on the topic. Our books and the stupid stuff they have preached should be abolished and I hope the provincial governments are capable to handle this humongous issue. There is also a need to reform education system as a wholeRecommend

  • Farhan kazmi
    Apr 14, 2011 - 11:36PM

    “Pakistani textbooks have preached falsehoods, hatred and bigotry. They have constructed most non-Muslims, especially Hindus, as evil and primordial enemies, glorified military dictatorships and omitted references to our great betrayal of the Bengali brothers and sisters who were the founders and owners of the Pakistan movement. It is time to correct these wrongs.”

    In which text book of which standard

    No support of this statement by the blogger what so ever its what we call a half an hour job.
    And he is consulted to edit Friday times.
    I thought of Fox news. What a biased blog

    Lord Almighty Help usRecommend

  • bs
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:03AM

    Poisoning and brainwashing the young minds with systematic and institutionalized lies, bigoted teachings and revisionist history for over four generations have been bearing fruits in the form of radical Islamic extremism and terrorism in Pakistan. It will take many more generations to reverse the harm done by past brain washing. However, if Pakistan is now sincerely reversing the past practices of teaching of lies and bigotry, that would be a good start.

    Unless and until the young minds are encouraged to develop a critical mind and the willingness and ability to research and reach for the truth and facts, a country’s national ethos cannot become progressive with social justice and economic development of the citizen as the primary priorities.

    Congratulations to the author on a well-articulated and bold article.Recommend

  • Atif
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:18AM

    xtremism in Pakistan has grown beyond belief….
    yes in both ways, liberals and rights.
    AinitRecommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 12:30AM

    It would be phenomenal if the text books are revised. In the Gulf, from blacking out pigs and holy men (rishis) to covers of books being torn (for depicting the Buddha) to not teaching the Israel Palestine history because you will have to mention Israel to calling the Persian Gulf the Arabian gulf etc etc…Pakistan will show the way to these countries.

    And like in India, where we continue to nurse our personal prejudices against other communities (despite largely neutral text books), verbalising such prejudices will become increasingly incorrect in the public arena. And hopefully a time will come when a certain tele evangelist who declared a certain community wajib-ul-qatl will be shunned. Recommend

  • FOLKFIENDE
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:36AM

    Bravo bravo bravoRecommend

  • Urooj Hussein
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:45AM

    Brilliant article by Raza Rumi. The jihadi hatred and intolerance taught in our schools since the 80′s against minorities and people of different faith must come to an end after the devolution process started after the passage of the 18th ammendment. We must continue on this path till each and every book has been corrected and histroy re-written. We will build a better Pakistan – a Pakistan envisiged by Quaid e Azam & Quaid e Awam. Recommend

  • Majeed
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:56AM

    @Raza Rumi:
    Please don’t embarrass us by such criticism of our history textbooks. Thank you. Recommend

  • Arindom
    Apr 15, 2011 - 2:03AM

    Good to know that finally Pakistanis have learnt the results of feeding lies to it’s school children.

    While I was educated in India from school to post-grad, I look back with satisfaction that I was not taught anything which can be remotely construed as ‘anti-Pakistan’. I am glad that we in India are taught “Unity in Diversity’ – everyone is equal and all religions are good!!

    The difference in the thinking of the youth between India and Pakistan is today here for all the world to see……Recommend

  • Mir Agha
    Apr 15, 2011 - 2:31AM

    You’re going off the assumption that textbooks are the reason for extremism in a country where the people doing the ‘extremism’ are illeterate, or have not gone through schooling. Extremism is a response to certain situations and realities, not a nazi style response to what is taught is schools. Take away the catalysts, no extremism, no matter what the books say. Really an amusing take on the situation at hand.Recommend

  • najam chaudhry
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:11AM

    If u want an Islamic state , it must be a jihad state, but at the same time it needs a zakat system and rule of law .. you will never need 2 teach indopak history to kids, just the islamic history..Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:31AM

    The pro-India lobby in the Pakistani establishment has been instrumental in proposing the devolution of HEC’s powers to the provinces. Provinces other than Punjab will correct their history books and depict shared Indian/Pakistani history.Recommend

  • Majeed
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:58AM

    @deep:
    Do name the certain televangelist.
    Do tell us the name of the community he believed to be ‘wajib-ul-qatl’.
    Please don’t indulge in ‘self-censoring’ ;)
    Let the pieces fall where they should. Recommend

  • Majeed
    Apr 15, 2011 - 4:00AM

    @najam chaudhry: What fantasy land are you inhabiting?
    I hope you bought a one way ticket to the place.
    Because, a reforming and progressive Pakistan could well do without you. Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 4:07AM

    Farhan Kazmi: you are obviously unaware of what is taught: Here are a few samples:

    “Quaid-e-Azam said that the foundation of Two Nation Theory was laid on the day the first Hindu became a Muslim. Thus the Two Nation Theory originated with the arrival of Muslims in the sub-continent. In fact the concept of ideology originated in the same period” (Pak Studies Class 9/10 Punjab)

    THIS IS FALSE.
    Also, the much touted phrase “Ideology of Pakistan” is also a construct:

    “Quaid-i-Azam never used the words “Ideology of Pakistan” … For fifteen years after the establishment of Pakistan, the Ideology of Pakistan was not known to anybody until in 1962 a solitary member of the Jama’at-I-Islami used the words for the first time when the Political Parties Bill was being discussed. On this, Chaudhry Fazal Elahi, who has recently retired as President of Pakistan, rose from his seat and objected that the ‘Ideology of Pakistan’ shall have to be defined. The member who had proposed the original amendment replied that the ‘Ideology of Pakistan was Islam’ …(Justice Munir in his book, From Jinnah to Zia)

    Read KK Aziz’s Murder of History and educate yourself.Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 4:13AM

    Due to lack of space, examples could not be provided. For the readers and commenters, here is a link which will explain how we have poisoned and continue to poison young minds:

    http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf
    Some examples from the report cited above:

    Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.

    The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things — Hindus did not
    respect women…

    Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where they
    worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In our mosques,
    on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together.

    Hindus thought that there was no country other than India, nor any people other
    than the Indians, nor did anyone else possess any knowledge

    [A story “The Enemy Pilot”, about a captured Indian pilot, presumably of Hindu
    faith] He had only been taught never to have pity on Muslims, to always bother
    the neighbouring Muslims, to weaken them to the extent that they forget about
    freedom, and that it is better to finish off the enemy. He remembered that the
    Hindus tried to please their Devi Kali by slaughtering innocent people of other
    faiths at her feet; that they regarded everybody else as untouchables. He knew
    that his country India had attacked Pakistan in the dead of the night to bleed
    Pakistani Muslims and to dominate the entire Subcontinent.

    The Hindus who have always been opportunists cooperated with the English.

    …but Hindus very cunningly succeeded in making the British believe that the
    Muslims were solely responsible for the [1857] rebellion.Recommend

  • Jawed Khan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 5:00AM

    The real threat to every socienty is internal. Very rarely have externalities distroyed any societies. This is true with Pakistan and we are getting the fruits that have been sown for the past 60+ years. Not only has our leadership failed us for the past 60 years but we continue to be in denial even with history beyond past 60 years. Ancestors of 98+% of us are what India has been for several centuries. But we claim ancestry of invaders & name our missiles as Ghouri, Ghaznavi etc. The only way Pakistan can come out of cancer of perpetual degradation is to embrace the truth. Keep state & religion separate, embrace real ancestry while discarding fake ancestry, declare a jihad against corruption, focus on education & development and stop military from draining our resources in the name of India hobia. Otherwise, the obitury of our nation will be finalized before the end of this century. It is time for such ruthlessly honest introspection rather than intellecual gymnastics of the same old perpatuation of blind dogma indoctrinated in all of us with false lessions in history.Recommend

  • sceptic ali
    Apr 15, 2011 - 5:02AM

    mr.rumi – a valiant effort, but a tad late. would that your article was penned ten years ago – it could have made a difference. now, only allah can help pakistan. as they say to sound cool – the rubicon has been crossed. [ps - anyone know who or what this "rubicon" is ? ]

    in a country – where the “young lawyers association” en-masse volunteers to defend the cold blooded killer of a sitting provincial governor,, mumtaz qadri, who himself claimed allegiance to the “moderate” islamic jamaat, barelvis – changing curriculum at this stage will hardly help.

    also, as one commenter, up thread, correctly pointed out – majority of the terrorists, gun totting & suicide bombers, are scarcely exposed to pakistan’s education system anyways.

    like i said, article will provide succor to some liberals for some time, but that is about all it will do.

    such a waste…tsk, tsk, tsk, pakistan, that is. Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 6:31AM

    Raza rumi are u telling us that aziz bhatti shaheed did not, as a matter of fact, take down 3 and a half-quarter Indian Tanks in hand to hand combat??

    Zor Ka Jhatka Dhire Se Lage…Recommend

  • Ron(Indian)
    Apr 15, 2011 - 7:02AM

    Tell me something new. Pakistan has survive in “hate India views” and India has survive in inclusiveness. North pole and sounth pole. Polarized world. :) Recommend

  • Bolimaga Bevarsi
    Apr 15, 2011 - 8:06AM

    @Raza Rumi’s comments

    I am totally aghast… Initially I used to be angry on this forum when Pakistanis just for the heck of it used to mudsling India, but now I pity them as they feel that everything they are arguing is true!! Recommend

  • ba ha
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:01AM

    Look right, Look left then look right again. Cross the road But watch out for the motorcycle coming the wrong way!!! [proposed amendment to Kinder-garden text]Recommend

  • M. H. Hussain
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:28AM

    I agree that Pakistani textbooks have preached falsehoods. And it’s just not textbooks, it’s history and reference books as well. For instance, what about the decoit and looter named “Mehmood Ghaznavi” who invaded subcontinent only for money and gold, but instead presented as great warrior and savior. Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 9:30AM

    Sindh Text Book Board is failed to provide books on time. How can you expect it that it will provide accurate books on time to the students. While accuracy of the book are concern, i don’t believe that atrocities done by military establishment on our Bengali brothers will be added in the Books.Recommend

  • ArifQ
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:35AM

    Rumi, great job, keep it up. Recommend

  • GreyPassion
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:38AM

    Dear Raza,
    People are product of social culture and at the same time they make the social culture. this is a vicious cycle which makes it very difficult to define the start and the end point .
    people who wrote these books were part of this culture of hatred and insecurity and only reinforced it further . its not surpirsing that majority of people couldnt question these biased education system .
    Pakistan needs to start teaching how to “think” and not how to “learn” .Recommend

  • sanjithmenon
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:42AM

    Thanks to one step in the right direction. The biggest lie taught to Pakistani children is that Pakistan was born in 800 AD, when Bin Kassim attacked Sindh! And under Aurangazeb, The state of Pakistan, became most powerful! If thats what is taught to children, when Pakistanis tell, that Kashmir is the only problem, why? should we believe you!Recommend

  • M.Asad
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:49AM

    These are the processes how terrorists are made.If books say this,then society also.Recommend

  • Light
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:55AM

    @ Raza on last comment
    1. Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.
    Ans: Yahood o Nasara can never be your friends – AL Quran. Can you challenege this statement ?

    The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things — Hindus did not
    respect women…
    Ans: Indeed – Try to educate yourself by studying how they treat women from an independent source /…not form Hindu Times :P
    Burning women with her husband (SATI) is in Hinduism, Cast system is in Hinduism are some examples of not so good things in Hinduism.
    Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where they
    worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In our mosques,
    on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together.
    Ans: Right to some extent. Ask from a Hindu (unbiased will be preferred :P )
    Hindus thought that there was no country other than India, nor any people other than the Indians, nor did anyone else possess any knowledge
    Ans: The extremism in Hindus are far more higher and stronger than any other nation. The name “Hindustan” is a live example. if you know what i mean :)
    The Hindus who have always been opportunists cooperated with the English.
    Ans: you still have doubt over it :S…strange but then may be its due to the reason that you are ROSHAN KHAYAL

    but Hindus very cunningly succeeded in making the British believe that the
    Muslims were solely responsible for the [1857] rebellion.
    Ans: This is true…. Read here
    http://www.victorianweb.org/history/empire/1857/1857.html
    A para from the above article
    “Indian soldiers of the British Indian Army, drawn mostly from Muslim units from Bengal, mutinied at the Meerut cantonment near Delhi, starting a year-long insurrection against the British. ”

    I am not against Hindus or any religion. My point is that writers should paint the other side of the picture too….Writer didn’t mention that even bigger things are published in Indian text books against Muslims and Pakistan
    http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/islam/people/index.htm

    Thats what they are teaching but not a single indian roshan khayal soul writes articles on changing INDIAN COURSE.
    however it seems that our pakistani roshan khayals are ready to do “EVERYTHING” to please indians …

    Please be neutral at least if you guys feels so ashamed to be a PAKI

    Peace….Recommend

  • A W Bhutto
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:02AM

    In Pakistan Private schools are providing better education standards than that of Government, it is strange that Government is giving low budget for education sector which needs the improvement. Textbooks teach so many lies the students don’t get the basic common knowledge even at the Matriculation level. So education sector must keep attention to focus on the contents of the textbooks.Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:12AM

    @ Author

    Excellent Sir, I wish many Pakistanis read this one and spread the awareness amongs their society.

    Irony is every nation need education to uplift the citizen from poverty whereas Pakistan needs education to prevent their citizen becoming terrorist.Recommend

  • bs
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:30AM

    @Mir Agha:
    I think you have got it wrong. I know you are talking about poor people being brainwashed in the madrasshs, but these madrassah students mainly become foot-soldiers to those directing them. Those directing and nurturing them are the middle and upper class Pakistanis who have attended private schools. They then become political, business and military leaders wielding enormous powers. Without the active nurturing by these groups, the Taliban would never have come into being. The revisionist historians and law makers never went to madrassahs. It is time Pakistanis stopped living in denial and accept facts. Recommend

  • vasan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:38AM

    It will be depressing for the Pakistanis to know that they have been taught lies and bigotry. And more depressing to know that the state was behind it and it is not making any effort to correct the courseRecommend

  • Hafeez.Indian
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:40AM

    @Author
    Very Good Initiative. Will help to develop good relationship between Younger generations across border.Recommend

  • Arif Z
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:42AM

    @Majeed:

    It is not too late. It is time to correct things that are wrong and move in the right direction. This seems to be challanging though because there are still people like you who want to live in a hypocritical worldRecommend

  • PriyaSuraj
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:44AM

    When Mother Teressa was asked to attend an anti war rally, she refused saying call me if you have a pro peace rally. Unfortunately since the birth of Pakistan, Pakistan has not had a positive vision. For Pakistan to have been born, India has to be the enemy. For Muslims to be better people, hindus have to be evil. Why do Pakistanis/ Muslims have to justify why (if) they are better than Indians/Hindus? Pakistanis and Muslims are/can be good nation and people period. India/ Hindus need not be painted bad to prove that (and admittedly we are not perfect). Pakistan is a rich land in terms of resources and people. Its upto you how you all harness its potential (and this is not in anyway linked to whether India does the same or not).Recommend

  • Sadia Rashid
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:48AM

    Sadly nothing actually turns out the way we want it to in Pakistan =/Recommend

  • logic, India
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:08AM

    When I went home this winter I was having a glance at the exam answer sheets that she was examining. She is a teacher in a Primary school. The one answer that caught my mind was:

    Q: What is the name of the holy book of Islam?
    A: Quran is the holy book of Islam.

    This was in hindi and you get 2 marks if you have no spelling mistakes. :)

    My point is – Do Pakistanis see the difference?Recommend

  • logic, India
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:09AM

    When I went home this winter I was having a glance at the exam answer sheets that my Mother was examining. She is a teacher in a Primary school. The one answer that caught my mind was:
    Q: What is the name of the holy book of Islam?
    A: Quran is the holy book of Islam.
    This was in hindi and you get 2 marks if you have no spelling mistakes. :)
    My point is – Do Pakistanis see the difference?Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:14AM

    @Farhan Kazmi

    •In which text book of which standard …..
    What a biased blog

    In all text books of all standards. Here are samples from 4th, 7th and 10th .

    Class: 4
    Subject: Social Studies
    Pages: 84

    “India invaded Lahore on the 6th of September, 1965 without any ultimatum. After
    17 days, the Indian authorities laid down arms acknowledging the bravery and
    gallantry of the Pak Army and civilians.”

    Class: 7
    Subject: Social Studies
    Pages: 43

    “European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through
    conspiracies on naked aggression to subjugate the countries of the Muslim
    world.”

    Class: 9-10
    Subject: Pakistan Studies
    Pages: 10

    “In Islam Jihad is very important…..The person who offers his life never
    dies…..All the prayers nurture one’s passion for Jihad.”
    Here is the full report,
    https://aacounterterror.wordpress.com/here-is-what-70-of-student-population-in-pakistan-study/

    If you notice it begins with hatred against India (Hindus) progresses to Christians and culminates in the right and duty of the Muslim to kill all non-believers.
    Do tell me what will you eat your words with, Tomato, Mustard or Chili.Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 11:23AM

    Raza – brave as usual. And I believe tolerance of the other is a habit that you have to reinforce everyday. For instance when Anna hazare recently praised the rural works in Gujarat under Narendra Modi – all the social activists who had supported him during the anti-corruption drive opposed him. I believe tolerance does not come naturally and has to be learned and practiced everyday. Recommend

  • vasan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:23AM

    I think Farhan Kazmi and his likes believe what is being taught is true. Do they also teach about 72 virgins when Jihad is being taught or are they surprise gifts.Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 11:26AM

    Apologise for the third comment. But an excellent analysis (bereft of emotion) of the reasons behind partition is available on youtube – type Salil Mishra (it has been posted by one Kashifkhan). Salil Mishra is a history professor.Recommend

  • sarfraz Ahmed
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:48AM

    It nice to hear some concrete solutions of educational issues, However i think need is to rethink over methodology also as the teachers are the same and having same thinking patterns to transfer the knowledge.Recommend

  • malik
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:52AM

    @bs:
    your two para are more thoughtful than the auther’s work. References must be there when you cite or highlight something. otherwise if it is your own opinion, just mention it.Recommend

  • malik
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:55AM

    @bs:
    your two para are more thoughtful than the auther’s work. References must be there when you cite or highlight something. otherwise if it is your own opinion, just mention it (sorry, last two sentences are for the auther of this blog).Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:02PM

    Dear Raza! I do not know what qualifies you as an expert in education. I must, with due respect differ with you.
    Sir! The very concept of a neutral, fact based, unbiased narrative of history is wrong and unfounded. There is no incident in history where different sides have seen same event with extremely opposite views.
    Examples:
    1-In India-Pakistan, we see 1857 in our history books as a war of indepence, but for birtish historians, it was a rebellion.
    2- Turkey and Armenia hold 180 degree opposite views about killing of civilians and teach their students what their governments believ is right.
    3- In Israel, the whole arab history and heritage has been reduced to nothing in text books.
    4- 20 years from now, students in US will be taught that the very concept of fighting Iraq and other wars was to bring democracy…some thing ww know is not correct but who can stop US from doing so?

    I dont know, what make you think that only we are guility of bigotry and lies while rest of the world is pure and innocent. Bottom line, my dear Raza, is that in every country, there is always an offcial account of an incident, an event or a situation. The counter opinion finds its place in columns, news papers, sensational digests and blogs. The solution is not just to criticise ourselves but make changes in the syllabus in a way that encourages the students to seek information from original sources and make their own opinions.Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:23PM

    @observer: Your examples are out of context and mean nothing. There was war in 1965 between Pakistan nad India and whether you like it or not, both countries, as long as they exist, will continue to teach their official version of history. What is not taught in Indian books is that during 1963 India-China war, Nehru promised Kashmiris and Pakistanis, that he will give them their due right. Right after war, he took a U turn and moved away from his words and that broke the confidence between two governments and resulted in 1965. But since you are biased, feel free to believ in Indian Version.
    As far as the european invasion of muslim countries is concerned, I do not see, why do you think it is wrong? Either you are ignorant of european clonisim or you believe their exploitation of poor nations and their occupation of muslim lands was correct thing to do?
    As far as Jehad is concerned, The text you qouted us directly inferred from Quran. I do not know what makes you think it is against Christians or Jews or Indians.
    Bottom line, you are yourself obsessed with finding faults in syllabus. However all your objections are shallow and out of context. Recommend

  • Ajay
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:23PM

    Very well written !! It is good to have both viewpoints (clearly noticeable from the comments). What we need is fruitful discussion like this so that we can clear the many misconceptions we have been brought up with. Our history is undoubtedly filled with platitudes and its high time we correct them. Recommend

  • Saad Durrani
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:35PM

    Mr. Rumi, how about we import the curriculum too. There are parts of our text-books which we require objectivity. However, there are parts which are quite factual. We first need to discuss what to tweak.

    Our curriculum does not cover what really happened on the matter of Junagarh and Manadavar. Have that have been covered in full light, it would have been great for us to understand certain “political wills”.Recommend

  • Arif Z
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:39PM

    @syed Ali:

    Teach any thing… but hatred. Hatred that is contained in text books creates poisonous minds and this is what the author is pointing out. These books are the ones that poison t young minds instead of making into good human beings and create a mature society.

    Freind but..I dont find fault with you as there are many like you who like to live in hypocracy..(and this is exactly what those text books have created) so dont expect any better life any time soon. This is the reality and live with it for another thousand years.Recommend

  • Arindom
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:41PM

    With development and prosperity – Pakistani children will soon be able to access the net and travel the world and see the truth…..

    They will then start questioning all the stories they are fed in the guise of ” textbooks” — then the fun will begin….

    However in the meanwhile Pakistan will continue to produce “highly educated” lawyers who shower roses on murderers….Recommend

  • Reasoner
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:42PM

    A must read !

    The Subtle Subversion: The State of Curricula and Textbooks
    in Pakistan.

    http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf Recommend

  • hassan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 12:47PM

    agree with greypassion and ajay !

    thinking is required not learning ! and discussions should be held !Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 12:59PM

    Textbooks on Pakistan history does not have the ‘History of Pakistan’. It has the history of the Mughals, then the British, then the ‘freedom movement’. The History of Pakistan from 1947 onwards has not been written and never presented.Recommend

  • PriyaSuraj
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:13PM

    @ deep, thanks for the link to Salil Misra, just saw the 5 parts, found it very interesting :)Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 1:21PM

    Those who have an opinion different to that of author should read comments posted by Light.

    @Light : Thanks for putting your thought. You have now championed the piece written by author. Author was trying to point out consequences of teaching false history to students and you are a live example of the system. Thanks again.

    By the way , I am Hindu and Indian.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:29PM

    @light
    You know one cannot describe the concept of colour to blind. Similarily teaching objective history to people who have been blinded by hatred by anything non islamic. And you are one of them. If you have doubts, look at contemporary India.
    Now let me answer each of your answers my way :
    “1.Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.
    Ans: Yahood o Nasara can never be your friends – AL Quran. Can you challenege this statement ?”
    Either Quran teaches you to be enemies of Non Muslims, or is it your interpretation of the said quote, If its the first, then the religion that follows that book is against Humanity itself for it cannot tolerate diversity. And to tolerate diversity is Humanity.
    If on the other hand, its your interpretation, then afterall you are the product of education system the author talks about,
    Take your pick.
    2 The tradition of Sati is long gone. Maybe you are living in 19th century..
    1. Hindus worship idols… What do Muslims do when they go to Mecca? Is that not an idol worship? Anyway the way we (Muslims included) treat any relgious book, is akin to idol worship. Had it been not so, there would not be so much Hullaboo overTerri Jones act. After all at end of the day, the books are just piece of paper.
    2. Can go on and on.. so just try to understand what the author is trying to say.Recommend

  • syed
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:29PM

    For pakistan text books and madrassah’s products (terrorists) in pakistan either pakistan should voluntarily change text book to be less poisonous or close certain madrassahs of hate factories.. Else we in US have to pay our hard earned money to buy drone bombs to clean up in pakistan … Either pakistan can clean up its mosquitos or neighbours will come to pakistan and clean up .. Already clean up through drone is in full swing … Just that the area would be expanded till karachi soon.Recommend

  • John
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:30PM

    @Light:
    You are finest product of your education system that is why you are getting immense respect everywhere in world.Your reputation is as such,people around the world dying to become like you.Love for Hindu,Jews,Christian,Buddhist,Sikh naturally comes to you..One thing is sure your country is very peaceful and tolerant.You have a great Tourism industry,which generate billions of revenue and employ millions of youth. Recommend

  • amoghavarsha.ii
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:31PM

    @light
    It is good to read ur comments.
    I think you should read article ” I am a Hindu ” of Mr.Rushid in ET. ( I don’t know if the name of author is correct, apologise in advance if it is wrong. )

    and to know about hindu temples, u can visit some ofcourse with open mind.

    And about sati?
    well you need to study history properly.

    baki sab kheriat hey !!!Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 15, 2011 - 1:52PM

    @Arif Z:
    Please read the chapters on Islam, Muhammad ( PBUH) and islamic history from the much revered jewish encyclopedia.
    Please also read the US text books taught in high schools during 1980′s which are full of hatred against communisim and communists.
    In principle, no body should preach or practice hatred. But in reality, not just us, but majority of nations do hate some kind of ideology, its followers or certain aspects of an ideology.
    Common teaching in US marine units going to Afghanistan and Iraq include religious nature and young marines are taught that they are going to defend a noble mission…mission of jesus etc.
    When we try to over simplify problems, we end up making narrow conclusions.
    There is no such syllabus as neutral or free of bias in the world. Those who claim so, live in eutopia.
    If westren syllabi are unbiased and do not teach hatred then how do europeans learn to hate islam? curb personal rights by banning niqab and by making derogatory cartoons?Recommend

  • Ali K Chishti
    Apr 15, 2011 - 2:12PM

    This is the most thought provoking piece on text-books ever written. Obviously the brain-washed needs newer operating systems to process. Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 2:28PM

    Bravo!!
    Well done Rumi, atleast there is some voice against this violent text books, the things were pretty different in 1960s in text books and history books. Its time to raise our voices against these kind of brutality injected in youngsters through text books. More work should be done in this regard.
    Thumbs upRecommend

  • Surfer
    Apr 15, 2011 - 2:39PM

    A well written article, if the purpose is to address the issue of terrorism and blame our textbooks for this, i think it is not just. I have read the same textbooks and not turned into a terrorist, one of my class fellow after reading the same textbooks is working in the white house. Its like diverting our focus from the actual facts. When we see it on a broader canvas, evidence of RAW and CIA in institutionalizing terrorism in Pakistan are very much visible and there textbooks stand nowhere. When we also start speaking the language of americans, we will land nowhere. Extremism has grown not bc of Textbooks; there are other major factors towards which we love to keep ourselves blind folded and will feel satisfied that we have changed our curriculum and now extremism will be over…oh what a pityRecommend

  • observer
    Apr 15, 2011 - 2:42PM

    @Syed Ali

    It seems to me you did not bother to go to the link provided by me, but then that was expected.
    Now let me deal with your ‘deep’(as opposed to my shallow) observations,

    There was war in 1965 between Pakistan nad India and whether you like it or not, both countries, as long as they exist, will continue to teach their official version of history.

    The Pakistani version talks of ‘invasion of Lahore without ultimatum’. The version of the rest of the world, including India, talks about Pakistan invading Kashmir first. Don’t take my word for it just google ‘operation Gibraltar’ and see for yourself.

    As far as the european invasion of muslim countries is concerned, I do not see, why do you think it is wrong? Either you are ignorant of european clonisim or you believe their exploitation of poor nations and their occupation of muslim lands was correct thing to do?

    In case your ‘history’ books forgot to tell you, Europeans colonized 3 continents, namely North America, South America and Australia with not a single muslim soul in sight for hundreds of miles. Europeans also killed millions of the original inhabitants of these lands, Did they do the same with so called muslim lands? You bet not.
    And incidentally, the Indian sub-continent was under muslim colonial rule but it was certainly not muslim land.
    Moral of (hi)story, colonialiosm was not a conspiracy against Islam and muslims.

    As far as Jehad is concerned, The text you qouted us directly inferred from Quran. I do not know what makes you think it is against Christians or Jews or Indians.

    You mean the call for Jihad is against fellow muslims? In that event I do not see any reason for opposing the suicide bombers, who are carrying out their religious duty.
    Wake up please.Recommend

  • Adnan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 2:49PM

    All readers (and author too) please read Prof Krishna Kumar’s “Prejudice and Pride: School Histories of the Freedom Struggle in India and Pakistan”(2002). I am not sure it’s available in Pakistan. The book will give you an idea on how the two states in their school textbooks have selectively emphasised or ignored the events in their shared history to strengthen their preferred narratives.Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:06PM

    Raza Rumi, To say further on this issue is to tear one’s soul apart, for your critics Sheikh Saadi has these words; He who has self-conceit in his head. Do not imagine that he will ever hear the Truth.Recommend

  • Arif Z
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:25PM

    @Light:

    You seem to be living in the dark… what you seriousely need is some light. What ever there is bad in their religion, they have corrected it and are progressing. Instead of looking at the bad side…learn to look at the better side of any thing… and you may go a bit further in your life. good luck.Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:25PM

    @Majeed

    @deep:
    Do name the certain televangelist.
    Do tell us the name of the community he believed to be ‘wajib-ul-qatl’.
    Please don’t indulge in ‘self-censoring’ ;)
    Let the pieces fall where they should.

    Majeed, the gentleman (though my soul is tormented in using this word) in question is none other than ‘Har Dil Azeez Aalim Online Aamir Liaquat’. He committed this atrocity on his programme on Geo TV and as a result had to move to ARY.
    Detalis at

    http://cafepyala.blogspot.com/search/label/Aamir%20LiaquatRecommend

  • Arif Z
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:34PM

    @syed Ali:

    That is exactly the problem. You are trying to justify the spread of hatred because others are doing. Whether others are spreading hatred or not is a different question all together. and regarding your question of why Europeans hate…….. well do you need more reasons than kind of killings that have happened around the world in the name of religion?Recommend

  • Yasir Khokhar
    Apr 15, 2011 - 3:41PM

    Such books are also a reason for giving rise to sectarian bifurcations. Here is my story. I belong to SIndh, when I entered in sixth grade. My islamiat teacher asked me if I was “Sunni” or “Shia”. The qsts seemed to be very odd to me as my parents never told me if we were Sunni or shia. I replied to my teacher that I don’t know and he said confirm from you parents tomorrow and let me know.
    The next day I told him that my parents told me I am Muslim and not Shia or Sunni. He said you have to be one as Islamiat book is different for Sunnis and Different for shias. Confirm from your parents again so I may decide to place you in Shia or Sunni Section. Such stories are rampant across the countries. Such sensitive issues should be taken care of more professionally and eradicated at the gross root level. But the ministries (education) are busy in making money instead of attending such issues.Recommend

  • vasan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 4:46PM

    Syed Ali:
    One can excuse bias in history lessons esp when it comes to war. They will be swept under the carpet of “Patriotism”. But teaching negative things about another religion, country etc by printing untruths, inculcating hate against people of some other group will not be classified as bias but bigotry and lies., This is what the author wants the govt to look at. You can teach all the heroism of 1965 war, 1971 war and what not. But hatred is another matter.
    “If western syllabi are unbiased and do not teach hatred then how do europeans learn to hate islam?”
    Friend,. I didnt know hatred has to be taught in the school. If one watches TV and reads newspapers, one can develop hatred or liking Be it islam or any other subject. Curbing personal rights is not a subject any citizen of a muslim country can talk about. The less talked about the better it is.Recommend

  • Someone
    Apr 15, 2011 - 5:29PM

    I don’t know why this textbooks issue is over-exaggerated though. If Pakistan has some poor schools teaching these textbooks, it also has some very top elite schools which follow American or British curiclum and are considered at par with any other international standard school. Students from these schools are exceptionally bright and study in one of the top educational environments. Why all this fuss then?Recommend

  • Avanti
    Apr 15, 2011 - 5:47PM

    Raza Rumi: Amazing write up and responses. I have been visiting these forums for almost a year now. When I read some comments, it becomes so obvious to me how brain-washed some people are. Not their fault as that is what they have been taught. I am hoping some of them will Google the whole world and learn the truth (of course, assuming that the whole world is not conspiring against the Muslims / Pakistan).

    I am a Jain – a very non-violent religion (like Buddhism). My grandfather – a very religious person – told me that I was one of the lucky few. “Why?” “Because who was born as a Jain.” I questioned him, “how can you say that?” “It’s in our books”, he replied. “But Nanaji, those are Jain books. What do you think they will say?” I argued. Couldn’t convince him, but then, I was only 15. By that time, I knew enough about all other religions of the world through our history books, and had friends of all kinds.

    The point is, we have to have open mind. What gives us the right to say that we are better than the others? Taking away due credit from someone is as bad as stealing money. Muslims / Christians have done a lot of good for India throughout our history, and we have to appreciate that. At the same time, we have had bad apples, Hindus included.

    Reading our own books (tainted with our own views) will not change the reality. On the contrary, it creates long-term problems as evident in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Reasoner
    Apr 15, 2011 - 6:02PM

    @Majeed:

    I understand ‘our History Books’ were written by some human beings or were they revealed ?Recommend

  • faraz
    Apr 15, 2011 - 6:05PM

    Our ultimate hero, Mohammad Bin Qasim was sent to capture Sindh by Governor of Iraq, Hajjaj Bin Yousaf who also happened to be his father in law. Hajjaj was a ruthless governor of Iraq and he invaded Mecca to crush the Al Zubair revolt; and during the fighting the Kabba was demolished. When Hajjaj died, his death was widely celebrated all across Iraq. Arent we supposed know the real face of these criminals of islam? Recommend

  • NK
    Apr 15, 2011 - 6:29PM

    Very good article. This explains why there is so much violence and negetivity in Pakitan. The solution is to get rid of these nonsense text books and bring some good text books that will mould the young minds in the right direction.Recommend

  • Salman
    Apr 15, 2011 - 6:31PM

    @Majeed:

    Why not, he is not lying. Its the truth and there is a need for change. In fact this should have been changed years ago but education is neevr high on the agneda of any leader. So we must do it ourselves and keep tracking progress that has been made.Recommend

  • Chinmay
    Apr 15, 2011 - 6:47PM

    There comes a point where you have to detach yourself
    from jingoism or blind nationalism and just think humanely.

    How would a Pakistani Hindu boy or girl feel about these textbooks?

    Ask them. Any guesses for what they might say?

    It’s THEIR opinion that is most important, more important
    than the opinion of Pakistani Muslims or that of Indians.

    Sickening — this “Hindus are enemies”, “Hindu religion
    does not teach them good things”, “Hindus are devious”

    But why be surprised? Pakistani Hindus are, after all, legally,
    officially, and constitutionally banned from even aspiring to be
    the PM or President of Pakistan. They’re not good enough.

    As (mostly, with a few obvious exceptions on this page) rational,
    reasonable, humane and tolerant people in 2011, wherever we
    come from, we need to put a stop to teaching hatred to children.

    The one last thing I’ll say (and this may be offensive to Pakistanis)
    is that I can’t see how anyone can make a case that the creation of
    Pakistan was a good thing for humanity. What has it contributed?

    Religious hate in India and Pakistan. Militarism. Terrorism. Genocide.Recommend

  • Adnan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 6:50PM

    Every Defense Day our national newspapers perpetuate the lie that India started the 1965 war but we won. in fact, the opposite was true. Why would the new textbooks be any different?Recommend

  • joy
    Apr 15, 2011 - 7:06PM

    @ Mr Syed Ali

    Sir, its ur country and u may teach any history in your schools for all I care...
    just want to make one request to you and your ilk...pls read the un resolution in full which deals with plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir

    dont dish out half baked truths

    regards

    joy

    IndiaRecommend

  • Adnan Khan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 7:09PM

    What is false, hateful and bigoted about passing on national pride, historical facts, religious tents and a combined wisdom to your next generation ?.

    What is so awful about it ?.

    Hindu caste system is the central tenet of the hindu religion, that is the biggest state-supported, institutionalized system of hate, prejudice and bigotry practiced daily by 800 million hindus in india today*. Have you seen the portrayal of Muslims in the “democratic” and “enlightened” india’s movie industry ?. Muslims are routinely portrayed as mirasis, tawaifs, thugs or terrorists. The same hate-filled propaganda is towed by their news and TV media. Pakistanis get even a more brutal treatment from the hindus in india. We are addressed as “shaitaans (devils), rats, snakes, etc”. Never mind Pakistani Muslims, not even Muslims can buy property in Mumbai. Not even celebrities, like Shabana Azmi. If you want to see real hate being preached and practiced with religious fervor, go to india.

    There is a reason why the Brits still teach their children about the indian “Mutiny” and “Rebellion” of 1857, while we call it the war of “Liberation” and “Independence”. History, is by definition, subjective. The kind of narrative we use, will largely determine what kind of Pakistanis we wish to raise in future. Proud, brave and independent ?, or self-hating, insecure and weak ?.

    Raza Rumi is proposing that we tell lies to our children. That we concoct and re-write history. Remove Jihad from textbooks and if possible out of Quran (logical extension). Kill the Two-Nation Theory on which this country was founded. Redact the communal friction, double-standards, hate and prejudices that became the argument for a separate homeland for the Muslims of the Sub-Continent.

    In short, raise a new crop that will blend-in with our neighbours. Akhand Bharat, finally. But I have news for Mr. Rumi. He will first have to kill all the Muslims here, before he can realize this unholy dream.

    Pakistan Zindabad. Pakistan Paindabad.

    (*) http://wn.com/Indiasuntouchablestrudgethroughsewers
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/03/india.randeeprameshRecommend

  • FactCheck
    Apr 15, 2011 - 7:53PM

    @deep:

    Deep, may be in the neck of India where you hail from. The propensity of Indians to generalize is appalling. You cannot comapre UP, MP, Ratasthan and Bihar to Kerala, Mizoram, Goa, Maharashtra etc.

    There is nothing homogenous in India but there is unity of cause and that is the ultimate strength. Recommend

  • Nasrullah Khan
    Apr 15, 2011 - 8:13PM

    @Majeed:

    In other words live in Denial and hide the Truth. Our normal behaviour.Recommend

  • V S S SARMA
    Apr 15, 2011 - 8:19PM

    Author has summed up the situation very well. Today’s terrorist Pakistan has been created by the machinations of Pakistani Army and the ISI who would like to perpetuate their stranglehood on most of the populace through indoctrination starting from childhood. Please read the paper “The subtle subversion – The state of curricula and text books in Pakistan – Urdu, English, Social Studies and Civics – Editors A H Nayyar and Ahmad Salim”. The 154 page document details how successfully Pakistani children were brainwashed. The topics described are a) Insensitivity to Religious Diversity of the Nation b) Historical Falsehoods and Inaccuracies c) Omissions that could have been enriching d) Glorification of war and the military e) Class & gender in the school texts f) Primary education – a critique of the curriculum g) teaching human rights.

    As long as Pakistan doesn’t embrace a modern, tolerant, all-inclusive education starting from the primary level, it is not possible to repair the society. Zia has brought down the country to its knees through his fundamentalist policies and the seeds of hatred he had sown have grown to monster proportions now.

    Pakistan has no future if it can not distinguish modern education and the education children are getting through the Madrassas. Countries like Saudi Arabia are exporting fundamentalism through subtle use of aid and the sooner the silent majority of Pakistan see through the game, the better for its society. Recommend

  • Avanti
    Apr 15, 2011 - 8:30PM

    @Adnan Khan: I give up. This is a hopeless case. You make even Pakistanis laugh! Keep up this attitude and you’ll see, in your lifetime, where Pakistan ends up.Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 8:42PM

    @Raza Rumi

    I must thank you for the post. It is heartening to see liberals fighting back. However, Raza, I must disagree with you on many things. First of all, of all the examples you have given, there is one truth. Indians and Hindus particularly are indeed brought up on a false notion that India is the greatest nation and that Hindu texts have got all the science. We are the most ungracious people on earth. And I am ashamed for that. Your motives are good, but as it happens, right wing Indians, mostly NRI types will jump on your article to show Pakistanis down.

    In India, we dont openly monger hate in History text books, however, we have slyly done the same thing what Pakistani authors have done brazenly. Indians also portray Shivaji and Maharana Pratap as patriots. Why? How come they are patriots? Because they opposed Muslim kings? So, Indian history is narrow minded too, but in subtle way.

    I also have hundreds of examples, but that is not the point. I read some idiot writing in the comments section (obviously Indian) that India teaches inclusiveness. Tall claim for a country where at any given time, 50 secession movements keep running. My country too has sharp division on caste, religion and regional lines. Hindi speakers are killed in several states, where as people from North East are treated like dust. Tribals have been violated and killed for years and hence Maoism. I’ll request fellow Indians to appreciate what people like Raza and Yassir Hamadani are doing. But don’t try to be self righteous and look down upon Pakistani brothers. If I smell even a whiff of oneupmanship in your comments, I’ll come back and tear your self righteousness apart. Beware. Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:10PM

    @Adnan Khan: “Never mind Pakistani Muslims, not even Muslims can buy property in Mumbai. Not even celebrities, like Shabana Azmi.

    The problem is wherever Muslims gather in sufficient quantity, a mosque comes up. And inadvertantly when a mosque comes up, the 5 day call to prayer is made over loud-speakers set to the highest possible volume. Most people do not appreciate that. It lowers property value. Recommend

  • Anoop
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:14PM

    I wonder when that process will be completed. But, what about the millions who do believe in all that rubbish the Text Books have already taught them? Or, the ones who will be brainwashed with lies till the Text Books are revised?

    Hope this exercise is expedited. I dont think the Army will like it too much.Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:23PM

    @observer:
    Bravo! So clonialism in muslim lands was OK because it did not involve the killings of millions that happened elesewhere? What kind of logic is this? You could have seen it otherwise. The muslims did not put up due resistance to clonialism and hence europeans did not need to kill them. But wherever they did, whether it be Turkey, Bengal, Sindh or Algeria, thousands were killed.
    For 1965, it depends upon from where your history book starts. For Kasmiris, their history starts in 1831. For Inidans it starts in 1965 and for Pkaistan, it starts in 1948. I am not disputing what rest of the world or India syas. i am just saying that every nation has its own official version of history and our version, right or wrong is very clear.
    For Jihad, I guess you need to read the books written in Soviet era. Just tell me, what should people in Iraq, Afghanistan or elesewhere should do if their country is invaded by another nation?Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 9:41PM

    Fahad Raza:
    Please educate yourself. I really don’t care who likes it or not. But facts should be stated. Please see this report – might give you some information/perspective that you need:

    http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdfRecommend

  • Akbar
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:49PM

    As somebody said if you read history with biased view, history wont change but history may destroy your coming generations.
    It really pains to read about the completely baised legendary story of Mohammad Bin Qasim. You ask any Sindhi and he will narrate you the other version which has remained alive from generations to generations despite Govt’s official version of our hero Bin Qasim. The history we read is the history of winner who write it, you never read the other version because the other version is defeated and they are no more in power to tell you even if they scream at the loudest pitch of their voice. If you visit Abdullah Shah Ghazi’s shrine on Sea View Karachi and read the history their, go to Shah Abdul Latif Bhattai and read the history there, read Shah Jo Rasalo and many other evidences you would know the other version of why Mohammad Bin Qasim was sent to Sindh to arrest whom and why it was important to fight a war if Raja Dahir refuses to hand them over. The real hero was Raja Dahir who refused to hand over 200 syed families who escaped the tyranny of Hijaj Bin Yousof and got the protection of a Hindu Raja. Who killed Abdullah Shah Ghazi? Why on his return Mohammad Bin Qasim was killed by his own uncle Hijaj Bin Yousof and his body was sewn in donkey’s skin to show the world how merciless the ruler is. What a mockery of history we have made.Recommend

  • Avanti
    Apr 15, 2011 - 9:53PM

    @Saurabh Shahi:
    I agree to you to some extent, but you are missing the point. Whatever “bad” happens in India is not done in an organized systematic way. It’s people – same as every where in the world. KKK still exists in the US and Nazis are everywhere. French and English still have problems in Canada. Given India’s mass, diversity, and education level, you expect all this. But, at the same time, you’ll see that the country as a whole is getting better. The lower caste is a lot more acceptable now. Rarely there are Hindu / Muslim riots. Temples and mosques have been bombed, but no riots. Mumbai massacre but no riots. They are not over (thanks to our politicians), but frequency has gone down. The language fights are all but over. Go back to 50′s and 60′s and you can compare to what I am saying.

    Yes. We Indians have become a bit arrogant and love to preach. I see this everywhere in the world. But, that is natural. We have been the victims, the lowly creatures all our lives. Now, in the last 20 years, we have made real progress and this has made all of us very proud, very confident and a bit arrogant. It’ll go away as we mature.

    In India, we can call Maharana Pratap a hero and still recognize Akbar’s greatness whom he fought. That shows our fairness and maturity. Shivaji fought a tyrant – a muslim fanatic Aurandzeb who was hell bent on destroying our culture. This is guy who killed his brothers and imprisoned his father, Shah Jehan. Shouldn’t we treat Shivaji as a patriot? Recommend

  • No More Mr. Nice Guy
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:10PM

    Time to bring some balance to this heavily one-sided comments section. All of these unwelcomed Indians are having a great time condemning Pakistan, Islam, and Pakistanis. How typical and naive of them. In English they say, “people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. So now let me focus on the unspoken Indian curriculum and syllabi of many Indian schools. The Hindus are so hell-bent on distorting history that they are not only concerned about what is being in India but also what is being taught in California schools. They distort facts about Tipu Sultan and want his name removed from Indian history books. Indian textbooks contain objectionable content that promotes hatred and prejudices against Dalits and minorities. Lastly, BJP run states have falsified history books to show Hinduism in a glorious light. So before all of you Indians come here and start condemning Pakistani textbooks, go look at your own vices.
    Phew! That felt good.Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 15, 2011 - 10:39PM

    @Syed Ali

    If you recall your schools are teaching that Christian nations have conspired against Muslims for hundred of years. Colonialism is cited as an example of this animosity,

    I hope it has been sufficiently demostrated that over three colonised and brutalised continents there were no muslims.In addition tom that vast parts of Africa, India, Burma, Singapore, Thailand, Sri Lanka etc were not muslim lands.
    India which was the jewel of the British Empire also was not part of the ‘muslim lands’.
    These facts should persuade you to abandon the idea of Christian animosity and colonialism as being specifically anti-muslim.

    The character of colonialism can be best understood through the theoretical construct provided by, (gasp,gasp horror,horror) Godless Marxism. As I do not want to take undue advantage of your intellectual capacities, I will not burden you with an analysis of colonialism and neo-colonialism for the time being.

    I am not disputing what rest of the world or India syas. i am just saying that every nation has its own official version of history and our version, right or wrong is very clear.

    Do you realise that when your version contradicts the word’s version , perhaps it is a lie. That precisely is what Mr Raza Rumi is trying to say.If you have grasped that please accept my congratulations.

    If you haven’t, Sheikh Saadi has these words; He who has self-conceit in his head. Do not imagine that he will ever hear the Truth.

    Either way this discussion is closed.Recommend

  • Asad
    Apr 15, 2011 - 11:41PM

    *Very nice article.*

    Recommend

  • Apr 15, 2011 - 11:58PM

    @ Avanti

    Where do you live sweety? Probably not in India. People are killed over language still. Every year. Caste killings are done daily. And don’t give the crap that Indians have achieved a lot and that’s why we are arrogant. We were arrogant since the time immemorial. And what we have achieved looks nice sitting in LA and NY, not in India. We are below Pakistan and Sri Lanka in poverty. In Hunger Index, we are barely above sub-Saharan Africa. So, dont give that crap. IT industry mein coding karne se achievement nahi ho jati. And what did you say, the bias is not institutionalized. Well, just last decade, a state colluded and encouraged rioters to kill Muslims in Gujarat. I still remember racial slogans and sms that used to circulate during anti-OBC Reservation agitation. So, plz dont give me those crap. Read newspaper at least. And plz don’t teach me what happens in India, I am a journalist and I see it up, close and personal and that too on a daily basis. Pehle ek ghatiya game ka world cup jo jeeta hai, usse to pacha nahi pa rahe hain aur chale hain self righteous banane. And Shivaji? Patriot? Wahi hai na patriot jisne dhoke se ek commander ke peeth mein chhura ghopa tha? Patriot, Duh Recommend

  • saad
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:21AM

    Hindu system has kept 80% shooder as slaves. They have even met Zaid Hamid and wanted to make dalitistanRecommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:27AM

    @observer:
    Your fixed obesssion with the non-religious nature of colonialism and westren aggression is cureless and not based upon fcats. Superficially, you can say what you can and quoting Sheik Saadi or other poets does not make you an intellectual…who is very generously not willing to take advantage of the capacities of others.
    Fopr your information, the spread of christianity in vast parts of Africa and Asia, after a 4 centuries puse ( 1100 AD to 1400 AD) mostly during clonial era. But if you read history from news week or economist, you are for sure to make the conclusions you made.
    For the Jewel of British Empire, Iran and Middle east, take some time to read story of Lawrence of Arabia and documents of British India Office Library. or just read, Iqbals poem on Abesseniya.
    For 1965, feel free to find all fault with Pakistan an live in your own abyss of rightfullness.

    I will close with this for your Westren clonialists

    Itni na barha paki-e daman ki hikayat
    Daman ko zara Dekh, zara bande Qaba bhi dekhRecommend

  • ifesvr
    Apr 16, 2011 - 1:12AM

    I remember watching these videos b4. It describes briefly about the problems of the textbooks(full 6 videos). I’ll like to know what do Pakistanis think about this?

    Recommend

  • Apr 16, 2011 - 1:16AM

    Raza – the IB system approaches history in a scientific manner. They discuss sources and possible biases. So an event is studied from different points of views. I have understood Pakistan better by getting to know their version of history. for instance it was a shock to me to know that the partition of Bengal in 1905 and the subsequent struggle against it is not looked upon kindly in Pakistan – it is regarded as some sort of Hindu conspiracy. Whereas we are taught that that the opposition was based on fighting the British policy of divide and rule. When you understand the insecurities the Muslims faced with the prospect of majority rule given the onset of democracy post Independence, you understand the need they felt to protect their rights. And so on – you become less judgemental. Recommend

  • humble_guy
    Apr 16, 2011 - 1:25AM

    @No More Mr. Nice Guy:
    I dont remember reading/learning any such crap which you mentioned.. We believe in unity in diversity. Peaceful co-exsitence within all sections of society-hindu/muslim, rich/poor, urban/rural- is a testament to that fact. A miracle in eyes of many western guys..

    For our size, we do have minor aberrations but they will go away due to positive attitude of citizenry..

    There is no point in feeling good about denigrating something so amazing and miraculous.. instead try to do what is right for you and for your country. Recommend

  • Fahad Raza
    Apr 16, 2011 - 1:30AM

    @Raza Rumi Thankyou for the link which undid you. By reading the report I feel its made to just to
    De-Islamize the curriculum just by looking at the content of this report as:
    Preface i
    Summary v
    Recommendations ix
    Chapter 1 Introduction 1
    Chapter 2 Insensitivity to the Religious Diversity of the Nation 9
    A. H. Nayyar
    Chapter 3 Historical Falsehoods and Inaccuracies 63
    Ahmad Salim
    Chapter 4 Omissions That Could Have Been Enriching 73
    S. Khurshid Hasanain
    Chapter 5 Glorification of War and the Military 79
    A. H. Nayyar and Ahmad Salim
    Chapter 6 Class & Gender in School Texts 91
    Aamna Mattu and Neelam Hussain
    Chapter 7 Primary Education:A Critique of the Curriculum 101
    Mohammad Pervez
    Chapter 8 Teaching Human Rights
    etc etc
    We live in ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN not some secular state like France. Why not build the mind of our youth with it. Our education in classroom is not producing terrorist and suicide bombers its in rural tribal area where due to US and PAK bombardment desire of Badla is driving youth to blow in the name of ‘Qisaas’ ul Qatl . Or sectarian grounds of Shia and sunni and deoband barelvi.
    Who I ask is benefiting from it? Betullah Mehsood or Baloch Separatist or Enemies of Pakistan in general? Answere is simple
    Now this report is all about change needed in our ideology as it only tells us to “Edit” URDU, SOCAIL, PAKSITAN STUDIES and of course ISLAMIAT replaced by PEACE studies. Yeah Right extremely
    like teaching in urdu as suggested “khumaar e gandum” ibne insha I have read that yeah…. I think read enough of your report and What strikes me is this that it’s an NGO funded from aboard obviously and chaired by
    Professor and Director – Center for Public Policy and Governance (CPPG)
    Forman CHRISTIAN University, Lahore
    I don’t think so and I don’t want the curriculum changed by Forman Christian University.What an approach

    By the way What about Science, Math and English how to change them for better or please can we update it at least or just fix what the “report” called lies and inaccuracies

    @ RAZA RUMI same here I don’t care what you think or have been programmed as liberal.

    At least be balanced not just be biased by reading a report to start blogging Recommend

  • Apr 16, 2011 - 2:36AM

    @Farhan kazmai,
    clearly u never got a chance to study Pak studies here or else simply failed it miserably.Recommend

  • faraz
    Apr 16, 2011 - 4:09AM

    @Fahad Raza

    Not just Forman Christians College but most of our big universities were built in colonial era. Lets blow them up, start with Punjab University, its the oldest. Why are you using the internet, its also a ‘christian’ invention. You are a typical product of our rotten education system where hate is an essential feature of history, politics and identity. Only a person educated through this system could have thought of connecting Forman Christian University with a Chrisitan conspiracy against Islam. For your information, FC college remained a stronghold of a thuggish student wing of a religious party. The same party which was against the creation of pakistan and later became the defender of its supposed ideology. Recommend

  • mahalinga
    Apr 16, 2011 - 5:29AM

    @Saurabh Shahi
    “Pehle ek ghatiya game ka world cup jo jeeta hai, usse to pacha nahi pa rahe hain aur chale hain self righteous banane”

    Sweetie you sound like a bitter whiny boy, blowing hot and cold. What has world cup got to do with the topic at hand. You are a big time poser, if not then you must suck big time in journalism.Recommend

  • Adil
    Apr 16, 2011 - 6:18AM

    Even though I agree with the writer,I still have got some clarifications for Aurangzeb Alamgir.After reading the title,I knew that the Last Great Mughal will be targetted by someone with charges of religious persecution and bigotry. And it did happen when I saw comments by Sanjith and Avanti. I just want to say especially to our Indian friends here that Aurangzeb’s personality has become an epitome of fundamentalism with too much distortions.
    If Aurangzeb was such a lunatic then how come his right hand man was a Rajput warrior/prince? Moreover,how come the majority of population in Indo-Pak Subcontinent would continue to follow Hinduism after his tenure? How come Muslims couldn’t become a majority during his BARBARIC regime. Islamophobics would always use him as a punching bag in order to attack Islam.
    Yes, he did demolish the Kashi Vishwanath temple BUT he didn’t do so without permission and request from his Hindu subordinates or allies since the priest there had raped a Hindu queen within the premises of the building. Be it Aurangzeb,Khilji,Ghazni or any other Muslim invader,they didn’t to anything in order to spread Islam, everything was a power game.
    Aurangzeb’s two unique features were his bad temper and simplicity. He never spent a single dime from the national treasure on his ownself. Yeah,the way he fought with his father and brothers is an issue that earned him a lot of criticism but he was neither the first nor the last emperor who would do such a thing i.e. fighting his relatives for the throne. Had he remained inactive then his brothers would have annihilated him. Plus, Shahjehan’s favouritism towards elder son of the king and the way he got manipulated by others against Aurangzeb is also something to ponder upon.Recommend

  • Mubasher
    Apr 16, 2011 - 7:01AM

    A funny article without any solid referencesRecommend

  • Somdet
    Apr 16, 2011 - 8:29AM

    @Saurabh Shahi

    I know now why india lost to mughals / british. there were people like you during the time of Shivaji and Maharana Pratap. you represent that india. Recommend

  • Sultan Ahmed
    Apr 16, 2011 - 9:12AM

    What you have said,already known,
    say something new,or present solution
    of the problem,being faced by the whole nation
    since long.Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 16, 2011 - 9:43AM

    @
    Syed Ali

    Fopr your information, the spread of christianity in vast parts of Africa and Asia, after a 4 centuries puse ( 1100 AD to 1400 AD) mostly during clonial era.

    And tell me how many Kaffirs of India had converted to the only true religion before India came under the Islamic sword.More importantly, how many have converted to Islam since the transfer of dominance to the British. As Marx rightly said the ruling ideas of the day are the ideas of the ruling class. It applies equally well to Islam and Christianity and therefore there is no need to get hot under the collar at Christians alone.

    Moreover, most of the Christian ‘spread’ happened in non-muslim lands of The Americas, Australia,New Zealand and Africa, Even Lawrence of Arabia, a British Christian, handed over Arabia to the House of Saud instead of claiming it to be Christian land. So the reason for your grouse eludes me.

    For the Jewel of British Empire, Iran and Middle east,

    This has caused me stomach cramps on account of uncontrolled laughing. For the source of much of Iranian wealth in the pre-petroleum era, please read the life and deeds of Nadir Shah. Nadir Shah sacked India , specially Delhi and carried back treasures, including the fabled Peacock Throne, laden on a cravan of hundreds of camels.And pray what wealth did the middle-east have. Till about 60 years back, i.e. the pre-petroleum era it was just a large heap of sand.

    So one thief complaining about another thief stealing something that was stolen from the rightful owner earlier, is worth a good laugh.Recommend

  • Sidra
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:11AM

    What about the lies you are teaching us?Recommend

  • MohsiN
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:17AM

    The Rubicon is a river in Italy. See Roman history–crossing it in a particular war meant there was no looking back.Recommend

  • Ranjit
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:24AM

    @Saurabh Shahi:
    It seems you know very little of India.and you are concentrating only negative side of India.Every nation has some flaws, but collective effort of her citizen makes country great.While it is true that Indians are very much proud of their civilization.What is problem in it.If you would be truly knowing India,you would know India is just not a country but a continent.Such a mind blowing diversity in a 1.2 Billion people,living together.There are many nation whose population is just million but always busy in fighting.I belong to OBC caste and from Bihar.I know how much OBC cast dominate Bihar and India.Many of Indian CM belongs to OBC only.And this thing happen in just 60 years.Dalit is also gaining momentum,and in few years you will see different political landscape in India.You should know insulting dalit will land you in jail.Can you tell me where and when caste killing happening in India????Indian constitution is brutal secular.I have read text book which govt of Bihar provided,though it is nationalistic but there was not a single line which discriminate and demean citizen on the basis of caste,creed or culture.Mind it India believes in Inclusiveness not Exclusiveness.We celebrate our diversity and proud of it.What ever few problems are there because of Politician.But recent election of Bihar has given us a hope,people just want development.Mujhe apne app par aur apne mulk par pura bharosa hai ki ab aur koi jhagda danga phasad nahee hoga. Recommend

  • XX
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:28AM

    Wait, so… what exactly are the lies our textbooks teach then? The article didn’t seem to say a word about that. Was hoping to find out! Talk about misleading titles (or, should I say… just very poorly executed propaganda?).Recommend

  • Vinayak
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:49AM

    @No More Mr. Nice Guy:

    Indian textbooks contain objectionable content that promotes hatred and prejudices against Dalits and minorities.

    Where did you hear this sir? Do you have any proof to support your claim?Recommend

  • V S S SARMA
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:57AM

    Fahad Raza: A pig likes its surroundings very very well and however one tries to bring it into better surroundings, it would go back to its original surroundings.

    If you say that you are happy with what your country is – be happy. In 2010, there were 12,000 murders in Pakistan, all due to the atmosphere of hatred created in the minds of people who have been brainwashed through their curriculum.Recommend

  • V S S SARMA
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:05AM

    Saurabh Shahi – Your foolish rants indicate the hollowness of your argument. India is not yet perfect. The best of the gardens needs weeding periodically. As for Gujarat riots which you had mentioned, research to see how many Hindus were killed and how many Muslims were killed. This is nothing compared to your country, Pakistan, killing hundreds of thousands of muslims of East Pakistan and the hundreds of thousands of women raped by the ‘pure’ soldiers. Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:33AM

    Raza Rumi, Fahad Raza.

    Khuda tu jeh kisi toofan seh ash e nah ker deh, keh ter e moho joh meh astrab nahi
    Tuh kitab kho wan ha magar sahib e kitab nahi.—— Allama Iqbal
    Stupidity is to look for something in a place where untutored imagination expects to find it,it is, infact everywhere that you can extract it———— Rewgari.

    We have learned to jump at anything that fancies our whims without relaxing and reflecting
    on the ripples that move in front of our eyes.On oneside we talk of expression on the other
    we want to suppress it. I suggest you should read veteransdaily.com and this paper is not
    published in Pakistan but USA.Recommend

  • Ranjit
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:51AM

    @Saurabh Shahi:
    It seems you know very little of India.and you are concentrating only negative side of India.Every nation has some flaws, but collective effort of her citizen makes country great.While it is true that Indians are very much proud of their civilization.What is problem in it.If you would be truly knowing India,you would know India is just not a country but a continent.*Such a mind blowing diversity in a 1.2 Billion people,living together.There are many nation whose population is just million but always busy in fighting.*I belong to OBC caste and from Bihar.I know how much OBC cast dominate Bihar and India.Many of Indian CM belongs to OBC only.And this thing happen in just 60 years.Dalit is also gaining momentum,and in few years you will see different political landscape in India.You should know insulting dalit will land you in jail.Can you tell me where and when caste killing happening in India????Indian constitution is brutal secular. I have read text book which govt of Bihar provided,though it is nationalistic but there was not a single line which discriminate and demean citizen on the basis of caste,creed or culture.Mind it India believes in Inclusiveness not Exclusiveness.We celebrate our diversity and proud of it.What ever few problems are there because of Politician.But recent election of Bihar has given us a hope,people just want development.Mujhe apne app par aur apne mulk par pura bharosa hai ki ab aur koi jhagda danga phasad nahee hoga.Recommend

  • khan
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:56AM

    For getting more comments these bloggers will stoop to the lowest levels to write any such crap. doesn’t matter if its backed by truth or not, just write, there are many pseudo-liberals who are going to back you anyway, and if thats not enough, involve India and get helping hands from the Indians, who are trolling everywhere, sniffing for such articles.Recommend

  • salahuddin
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:21PM

    Hello Light
    You seem to have learnt from the pakistani text books which rumi is seriously in his efforts look to the change. Hinduism has been among the worlds pldest religion and unlike other which have come and disappeared, it has stood firm on its principles and philosophy. Many came and gone in oblivion, the hindu philosophy have survived for more than 5000 years. There must be something good in it: please think!!!!
    1. It has survived without any need to have strict penalties (Unlike in Islam) for the conversion; it does not need it; (We need it sad….)
    2. The treatment to woman are better than us as they do not ask them to cover themselves from head to toe (Like an animal) and their women can have right to work and stand equal to man (Please open your eyes)
    3. As some one stated as a reality, our ancestors belonged to the same faith somehow under sense (Little chance) or under the swords of Khilji faltered like a coward to become a Muslim (decide who is the brave)……you are among those…..

    So far Alaah, Bhagwan or almighty is concerned, it doesn’t need me or you to belong to any faith but look inwards and life our own self towards enlightenment.

    Please shake your conscious and have courage to talk on facts….Recommend

  • abhinav
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:33PM

    @Adil
    You can defend aurangzeb all you want and cook up stories, the fact is not only Kashi Vishwanath temple he also destroyed the Krishna temple in Mathura and scores of other temples. All these facts are well documented by his own courtiers.
    I agree with you that all these kings/invaders did all this not for the sake of Islam but for their own power and wealth and this practice has been cotinued till date. Recommend

  • Saad Durrani
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:50PM

    India is just not a country but a continent.

    I hope this does not land in your textbooks. India needs to know this clearly that certain topics are more Pakistan-oriented and there cannot be compared with any nation in the world.Recommend

  • Jaleel
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:53PM

    @Saurabh Shahi:
    I live in Kerala. I have gone to various schools in Kozhikode, Bangalore and Pune due to transfers in my father’s job. I have passed my Engineering from a reputed college in Kozhikode and now working for a multinational Company. Through out my schooling or during my college days, I have not come across any text books that teaches hatred, instead there is respect for every religion, cast or commnity. Ofcourse there are chapters on different religion and talk only good of each religion. I have never seen even a slight criticism of religion in the text books. Having studied in Pune, I can say that Shivaji is considered a local hero there. I do not see any wrong in that every place has its heros. In Kerala Zamorins (Zamodiris) are heros. So what’s wrong with that?

    Regarding your rant of people being killed in India on language, cast etc… you must be living some other world and not in India.. becuase this is not true. India is a big country but, some isolated incidents have happened but not the way you describe it.

    What surprises me from your comment is its tone. you sound too bitter, which makes me feel that you do not live in India. Because if you did you would know the truth.

    What really now concerns me is the things that are taught in Pakistan text books. Seeing some of the examples from the commentors from Pakistan…it looks a bit freightning from here. Hope this will be corrected by their concerned authoritiesRecommend

  • V S S SARMA
    Apr 16, 2011 - 12:57PM

    Saurabh Shahi – Sweetie! The subject is Pakistani Education. There are people still in Pakistan who want to go to the roots of the basic problem plaguing Pakistan and to seek remedies. This article is in the nature of that vision. Your silly groans are not subject matters. And when that happens the matter of the subject, let us discuss that also. Be focussed.Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 16, 2011 - 1:46PM

    @observer:
    So bottom line is that you want that we should buy the interpertition of history, that satisfies you or your mindset where you are trying to view historical events through the flawed prism of marxism. You are free to anylase history, the way it satisfies your ego, but dont force it on others.
    On one hand, you are eager to label Arab, Mughal and Pathan colonization of different parts of the world as muslim or islamic colonization but on the other hand, you are quick to dispel any association of religious sentiment with european colonization. Obviously, since you have to analyse a historical phenomenon through the prism of marx, you cant see things without bias which proves my point that there is no unbiased or neutral view point or interpertition of history.
    Now, buying your logic regarding 1965 war, where you think, since majority of world does not agree with our official version, we should think about our version as a lie…well going by this kind of flawed logic, most of the world aslo thinks that Islam is not a true religion, so should we quit our faith following your logic? The funny thing was that you maligned shaikh saadi to justify your intellectual stuborness.
    I am waiting for your reply about invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan…what should people do if their land is invaded by another nation? Please answer in the light of marxism.
    PS: By modren standards, since Raja Dahar was the first one who put reistance to Arab colonization of Sinsdh, I must take the liberty to call him first ” Mujahid” of India.Recommend

  • Ibad Ur Rehman Ahmed
    Apr 16, 2011 - 2:01PM

    It would also be interesting to see what the provinces have to say about each other in their updated curricula as well as any potential new provinces whose movements are gaining speed.Recommend

  • Raj
    Apr 16, 2011 - 2:03PM

    @Saurabh Shahi : It seems few people have responded to your article. Are you reading them?
    Note that nobody is denying the problems in our country and I hope the current generation once made aware of those instances will not overlook them.

    If you are a journalist, I am sure you have come across incidents which many common people may not even know about. Can you post the links of your reports so that it enlightens the citizens about the flaws in their system and subsequently gives them a chance to mend it. I am sure together we can restore the pride and honour of our country and it’s people..Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 16, 2011 - 4:04PM

    @Syed Ali

    By modren standards, since Raja Dahar was the first one who put reistance to Arab colonization of Sinsdh, I must take the liberty to call him first ” Mujahid” of India.

    Please do not flatter yourself. Much-much before that, in fact in 326BC, yes BC, India was invaded by Alexander and Raja Puru/Paurav also Known as Porus in Greek accounts, stood up to an invading army. There may have been others that I am unaware of. So the title must be claimed by someone earlier than Raja Dahar.
    By the way did Alexander visit muslim lands also, or are your ‘history’ books silent on this because ‘history’ started with Bin Kasim.Recommend

  • FAheem
    Apr 16, 2011 - 4:19PM

    Can the writes answer one question..what was the constitution of 1935 By Indian National Congress and What they did to Muslim…Recommend

  • mind control
    Apr 16, 2011 - 4:46PM

    emphasized text@Syed Ali

    I am not disputing what rest of the world or India syas. i am just saying that every nation has its own official version of history and our version, right or wrong is very clear.

    Are you suggesting that Raza Rumi should change the Title of the article to ‘ Our textbooks and the CLEAR lies they teach’.

    Why, I find this to be a good suggestion and recommend the same to Me Rumi.Weldone friend.

    I agree with you because, thruth is never absolutely clear as the whole thruth is not known to any of us,there will always be shades pof grey. Lies do not suffer such restrictions,and can be very clear,pure black and white. You get my drift.Recommend

  • adnan
    Apr 16, 2011 - 5:28PM

    I agree with Mr. Saad commnets that first we have to identifiy the weekness on our books. Recommend

  • DIG
    Apr 16, 2011 - 5:38PM

    @ Author: I don’t like this critcising others efforts, why dont you find a better way of suggesting historians.Recommend

  • Avanti
    Apr 16, 2011 - 5:53PM

    @Saurabh Shahi :
    Looks like you got plenty of replies. Being a journalist, you might be getting influenced a bit too much at the micro level. Most of us don’t have that view, and can see only on a broader scale with historical perspective. This might explain the differences.Recommend

  • antony
    Apr 16, 2011 - 6:26PM

    @Sauraubh , Being a journalist in India , Your views are as negative as the news you dish out to the masses ..I know thats what gives you bread and butter ..Pick up any news of any city of anywhere ,there will be killing ,rapes,loot,treachery and that % would be .001% of whole events on that day in that city .But as a journalist you would make the whole world believe the whole populace of the city is dangerous as the few bad apples you pick..

    Listen carefully , I am a tamil from Indian city madras where no body speaks hindi in public and still there is no killing or hatred for hindi speaking north indians. Ofcourse we love tamil more than Hindi and that similar fondness for sindhi or punjabi is found in pakistan in sindh or punjab . But in India tolerance to other religion is found visible in every day daily affairs .

    Aversion to other castes and particularly dalits has been constitutionaly handled ( 69 % reservation in colleges,govt jobs in Tamil nad) So everything is improving ..THis article is about improving pakistan school curriculum to reduce hate which stimulates pakistani public to resort to discussion rather than violence when confronted with other view points..
    INdia has to go on improving as well ..Case in point If some body keeps hindu goddess posters in Mcdonald Burger in Europe, some hindu fanatics destroy those franchise in India .. Second Christian preachers setup night vigil prayers(personally attended one) in residential neighbourhood and scream all night Praise the LORD disturbing the public ..These are all few challenges Indian society faces and atttempting to improve through awareness …

    Now all this sermon from India to Pakistan is for awareness and lend some support to leading pakistani elites to improve their society and thereby reduce the risk of another 26/11.Recommend

  • V S S SARMA
    Apr 16, 2011 - 6:38PM

    FAheem: You are asking what the 1935 constitution did to muslims. It was a time when people looked at what they could do to Indians irrespective of caste. colour, creed, religion..etc. In the 1936-37 elections, in NWFP, Congress won most of the seats, not muslim league. One more thing you should know…that the league’s name was All India Muslim League. They wanted to remain in India but wanted their clan to be given reservations in seats and Jinnah was ready for it. Congress never accepted that Hindus and muslims were separate and were to be separated as it believed in justice for all. Md. Ali Jinnah’s sectarian vision divided the country. Now the division is continuous in Pakistan. First, it was Bangladesh which seceded from Pakistan because of the economic denigration..subversion of Bengali language..denial of power to Sheikh Mujib..denial of aid in the worst cyclone of 1970..killing of hundreds of thousands of bengali intellectuals, professors, students..raping hundreds of women..etc. Now in the remaining part, they have divided people into Sunnis, Shias, Ahmediyas, Christians and Hindus. Almost all the minorities are being systematically killed. A Federal Govt minister is killed and a Governor is killed. Killers are hailed as heroes. Where did you get this culture if not from your text books ?Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 16, 2011 - 8:10PM

    @observer:
    I thought we were discussiing things in context of clonialism. Well Alexander did attack India but he did not make it its colony. However, I must rectify my mistake. We can say that Raja Paras, who took a heavy tool of Alexander’s aggression was first” Mujahid” of the land. However, it does not reduce the status of Raja Dahar, who was second to none in his bravey and put up a good resistance to Arab aggression.
    Finding Alexander’s foot steps in “muslim lands” is an interesting subject and I leave it up to marxists to figure it out and educate me and others.

    Please answer the main question, what should people of Iraq or Afghanistan do if their country is invaded by another nation.Recommend

  • No More Mr. Nice Guy
    Apr 16, 2011 - 8:12PM

    @Vinayak: Of course, you didn’t read my comments in entirety or clicked on the embedded links within my comments. I thought you guys were good with computers and the Web but you seem to be different. Now that explains why Dell computer support always fails to understand or solve my problems. Anyways, go read my comments again and click on the links.Recommend

  • hussain syed
    Apr 16, 2011 - 8:35PM

    @Farhan kazmi:
    I think you owe the writer an apology. Recommend

  • Pakistan One
    Apr 16, 2011 - 8:57PM

    Finally! The truth is out here.
    One of the biggest lies is that All India Muslim League was the only Muslim political party and that All India Muslim League got independence for Pakistan. They won seats in Bengal not in modern day PakistanRecommend

  • Zulfiqar
    Apr 16, 2011 - 9:09PM

    I think people here are getting carried away with this subject. Sure I’m not going to justify books teaching kids hatred and lies but going as far as to suggest this leads to suicide bombing etc is a bit far fetched.

    Books do play a vital role in an individual’s self grooming but they’re not everything. If that were the case there would have zero racism against the blacks and minorties in America. Since when do American books teach to look down on black people but still even in this age racism exists there.

    Incidents like Abu Ghraib prison, indiscriminate killings of Iraqi and afghani citizens by the us forces – since when do American books teach to kill a 14 year old Muslim girls family and then rape her?

    Our Indian readers are getting a kick out of this piece, I ask them, they’ve read very truthful and peace preachig books, look around Pakistani and Indian forum based websites and see how much insults and derogatory remarks Indians hurl at Pakistanis, or go to YouTube and watch any video of Pak or India cricket match etc and see the colored commentary of Indians in the comment section, it’ll open your eyes. Pakistanis are taught to hate, what makes Indians insult Pakistan in such manner?

    Books are very important in defining a person but it’s the natural good or bad in a person that actually really defines him.Recommend

  • Adil
    Apr 16, 2011 - 9:21PM

    @ syed Ali

    If someone teaches negative lessons and ideas to their children,if someone feeds stereotypes,prejudice and hatred to their younger generations,then it still doesn’t justify brainwashing through our textbooks. Even the enemies of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be Upon Him) used to atack him and his great movement with rumours and propagandas.Did he fight back (Nauzubillah) the same way?
    Just recently, there were discussions regarding Talibanisation taking place all over Pakistan,and forces of TTP reaching Karachi. In presence of the continuous target killings taking place in the city, ANP was blamed for sheltering and cooperating with Talibans by we all know who,and the entire activities of TTP got mixed with Pashtun nationalism or ethno-nationalism. I would definitely say that ANP is not a party of saints,but did someone bother to read about their history and ideology, and know that they belong to the Left wing rather than political Islam.
    Plus, nobody knows about the Code of Pashtunwali which continue to dictate Pashtuns living on both sides of Pak-Afghan border for the past 3000 years i.e. even before Islam reached the subcontinent. When i discussed about the ancient code to this other person who has been listening to different religious sermons,then he was like after becoming Muslim there’s no room for any such code and ideas like Pashtunwali code,Communism etc… are complete blasphemy and Kufr. I am not a Pashtun myself but would definitely want other ethnicities to know about all such codes since due to absense of authentic history and concrete facts, the words Pashtun,Taliban,Extremist and Smuggler have become synonyms for each other. I would call this case,just one big example when it comes to the impact of our textbooks on present day Pakistan.Recommend

  • mind control
    Apr 16, 2011 - 9:52PM

    @Syed Ali

    I had responded to all your half baked ideas about Afghanistann and Iraq, for some reason Express Tribune has blocked it. Perhaps you are not ready for the unalloyed truth. Let us hope you will get to see the post.

    Anyway coming to your other ‘ideas’

    Well Alexander did attack India but he did not make it its colony.

    Well that is news. According to ‘history’ read by the rest of the world, Alexander made Seleucus Nicator the ‘Satrap’ of Babylon, with jurisdiction over the east, Including Indian territiries.A Satrap would we the equivalent of a Viceroy of modern times. Seleucus fought a war with Candragupta Maurya over domination of territories across the Indus. Later Seleucus gave his daughter in marriage to Chandragupta and sent Meghasthanese as his Ambassador in Chanragupta’s court.

    The empire could not sustain the colonies for very long, as the communication channels between the Colonial power and its viceroys were poor. In other words as Marxists would say the ‘forces of production’ had not evolved sufficiently to support this kind of ‘relations of production’.

    My friend as I suspected you are not suffociently updated either on facts or on theory to have a serious debate on colonialism and neo-colonioalism.

    Please desist.

    Please answer the main question, what should people of Iraq or Afghanistan do if their country is invaded by another nation.*

    Find out what did the Budhists(I hope you remember the Bamiyan Budhas, the greatest sculpture of its kind) and Hindus of Afghanistan do once their land came under Muslim occupation, do the same for Jews (Bagdadi Jews for example) and Christians of Iraq. I would recommend the same for present day Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact they should be used to it by now.Recommend

  • Adil
    Apr 16, 2011 - 9:57PM

    @ Abhinav and Vasan,and others who still misjudge Aurangzeb

    Apart from Marathas,Aurangzeb had fights with few Rajput kingdoms too.But, he was also having troubles with two Pashtun/Pathn tribes too-one was Afridi tribe and the other’s name I forgot…it was either Yusufzai,Achakzai or so. Now, the site for the battles with Pathans is the pesent day area of AfPak region….people OR most of the tribal people there have been known for religious conservatism and subjugation of women etc….so how come a bigot like Aurangzeb got into trouble with them.

    Apart from that, he invaded the region of Deccan too not once but twice,which was ruled by Qutb Shahi dynasty. Qutb Shahis were also Muslims. So,it’s all a power game…Infact, Mughal Empire reached its maximum size during his tenure.Yeah, by the time he died,he left a mega empire with corruption and crumbling administration but everything started to get into mess even before his kingship. Do you know what happened to the architect of Taj Mahal?His hands were chopped off so he may not copy such a magnificent structure anywhere else. Shahjehan was not an able ruler in my opinion. A huge chunk of wealth was wasted on constructing palaces and forts before Aurangzeb,meanwhile in western world they were constructing universities. So, how can such sort of rulers keep their regime intact for a long time, in your opinion?
    It’s like you becoming a president of a company and you introduce new products and also help the company in opening locations in few other cities and countries too. BUT you didn’t get time or is not able to control and solve corruption and crimes perpetrated by some of your VPs and Junior Managers which they used to do even before you reached the office. What’s gonna happen, people will burn your effigies in different countries and you will die with abuses and regrets. And after your death the same lot will break and destroy your company, and the name of you and your family will start to loose exposure in the Business Market. Did You Get My Point ?Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Apr 16, 2011 - 10:51PM

    @mind control
    “Please answer the main question, what should people of Iraq or Afghanistan do if their country is invaded by another nation.*
    Find out what did the Budhists(I hope you remember the Bamiyan Budhas, the greatest sculpture of its kind) and Hindus of Afghanistan do once their land came under Muslim occupation, do the same for Jews (Bagdadi Jews for example) and Christians of Iraq. I would recommend the same for present day Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact they should be used to it by now.”

    when did Bamiyan Buddha become the “greatest sculpture of its kind”? You only knew the existence of the statue when Taliban blew it up and before that it was standing for 1200 years under the Muslim rule. It is indeed very funny hear to you dictating what Afghans and Iraqis must do when their lands are occupied especially when you are coming from a country where Shivaji (the defender of Hindus) is elevated to such a high status.Recommend

  • cidpusa
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:05PM

    Hate is buil inside us if your are to be successful remove hate from inside you develop love for all christians, jews hindusre and tolerate. Quran states they are successful who control their negative feelings.Recommend

  • Adil
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:06PM

    BTW Pakistan or Pakistani textbooks is/are not alone when it comes to teach lies and fabrications.

    Everyone cold watch the Documentary titled ‘Reel Bad Arabs’ too which was made by Russia Today. The documentary explains how Hollywood kept on showing a negative image of Arabs through their movies and cartoons for the past many decades, brainwashing a huge population of United States. So if someone call Pakistan a terrorist nation or so,then its better if they watch he following videos and see the hatred and stereotypes, Disney and others have injected into the minds of childen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-Bbz_TBMc&playnext=1&list=PLC6BC33C2E29C087C

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4mHeLn-Q&feature=mfuin_order&list=UL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WliVrRvXiOM&feature=mfuinorder&list=UL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyzrTPzmoAs&feature=mfuinorder&list=UL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxFTn1AQd4&feature=mfuinorder&list=UL

    Here are the lines from the Opening song of Aladdin

    ” where they’ll cut of your ears if they don’t like your face, it’s barbaric but hey, it’s home!”.

    Just imagine what a kid would think about Arabs after listening to such BS. All these mega companies that provide entertainment to little kids, are somehow as good as those lunatics who train kids and teenagers in becoming a suicide bomber. All such corporations have played their role as the ones who encourage genocide in different parts of the globe. Disney itself is filled with Zaid Hamid kinda people who teach negative perceptions about Arabs,Chinese and don’t know who else via their shows and movies. After watchin Reel Bad Arabs one will get yet another reason to believe Dr. Zakir Naik that presently USA is the greatest terrorist nation on the planet.Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:08PM

    @mind control
    “Please answer the main question, what should people of Iraq or Afghanistan do if their country is invaded by another nation.*
    Find out what did the Budhists(I hope you remember the Bamiyan Budhas, the greatest sculpture of its kind) and Hindus of Afghanistan do once their land came under Muslim occupation, do the same for Jews (Bagdadi Jews for example) and Christians of Iraq. I would recommend the same for present day Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact they should be used to it by now.”

    when did Bamiyan Buddha become the “greatest sculpture of its kind”? You only knew the existence of the statue when Taliban blew it up and before that it was standing for 1200 years under the Muslim rule. It is indeed very funny to hear you dictating what Afghans and Iraqis must do when their lands are occupied especially when you are coming from a country where Shivaji (the defender of Hindus) is elevated to such a high status.Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 16, 2011 - 11:16PM

    @Syed Ali

    In case you are having some difficulty in finding out what happened to the Afghans and Iraqis of yore, here is a helping hand.

    A. Afghanistan– princes of Herat and Seistan gave way to rule by Arab governors but in the east, in the mountains, cities submitted only to rise in revolt and the hastily converted returned to their old beliefs once the armies passed. The harshness and avariciousness of Arab rule produced such unrest, however, that once the waning power of the Caliphate became apparent, native rulers

    once again established themselves independentThe Mongols resulted in massive destruction of many cities, including Bamiyan, Herat, and Balkh, and the despoliation of fertile agricultural areas. Large number of the inhabitant were also slaughtered. All the major cities and towns became part of the massive Mongol Empire, except the isolated hidden mountainous southern regions where the mountain tribes lived.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HistoryofAfghanistan#Islamic_conquest

    B. Iraq- The intention was that the Muslims should be a separate community of fighting men and their families living off taxes paid by the local inhabitants. In the north of the North eastern Iran, Mosul began to emerge as thepossessions. most important city and the base of a Muslim governor and garrison. Apart from the Persian elite and the Zoroastrian priests, who did not convert to Islam and thus lost their lives and property, most of the Mesopotamian peoples became Muslim and were allowed to keep their possessions

    .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HistoryofIraq#ArabconquestandAbbasidCaliphateRecommend

  • Apr 16, 2011 - 11:53PM

    @Raza Rumi:

    If SDPI report’s Secondary sources were to be used then , what is new in this article ,except raising the issue again?
    The report is around 4-5 years old. Syllabuses have been changed many times since then.

    Updated information does matter.Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2011 - 12:03AM

    @salahuddin:
    Please do read Chankiya’s Arth shastra. Recommend

  • Jim
    Apr 17, 2011 - 12:08AM

    Pakistan is not going to change its narrative. It has been built on an edifice of lies, distortion, and make-believe and trying to correct it now will only result in unraveling of the Islamic Republic. Besides, Pakistan was fought for an obtained as a separate nation for a separate religion, so the progression of this narrative is natural. The more likely scenario is Raza Rumi, Pervez Hoodbuoy, Irfan Hussain, Kamran Shafi and other such right-thinking, well-meaning “Pakistanis” should migrate back to India, which will be most happy to have such men of honor, distinction, and sense of justice and fairplay. Leave Pakistan to the real Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2011 - 12:14AM

    Thank you for bringing this to our notice. We all have a responsibility to make sure that history is not distorted in our textbooks. We hope that all province will show responsibility and maturity and try to clear up the many distortions.
    May I take this opportunity to say that we need to re-assess the role of Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan. He was the one to put Pakistan in the western camp – lock stock and barrel. Also his relations with Mr. Jinnah were not as rosy as painted. Why can we not ask questions about these issues and why are there no straight-forward answers from people who know? I feel that Mr. Liaquat thru his policies (literally begging for an invitation to the U.S. etc.) caused a lot of problems for us and he also started to think of himself as greater than Mr. Jinnah. The latter was well aware of this it seems. So why is he called a Shaheed-e-Millat?Recommend

  • Faiz Shah
    Apr 17, 2011 - 12:18AM

    There is a lot wrong with our textbooks, and enough evidence to support Raza’s view. We also know that every country teaches a self-serving version of “facts”. I still have a 1967 British childrens’ history that refers to “the abominated Turk” and disparages Germans.

    Looking back, at least through the 60′s, our textbooks taught a national narrative that began with the Indus Valley, through the advent of the Aryans, to Ashoka and Chandragupta Maurya, continuing on to the Muslim invasions, right up to the Raj and Partition. Chapters extolled the beauty of the northern mountains as it did of sunsets in the riverine east. Buddha and Taxila appeared along with Sufi saints. Mangla was mentioned along with Karnaphuli. References to non-muslims, even when less than appreciative, weren’t insulting. All this information didn’t make students any less patriotic. A far cry from what we have now.

    But that doesn’t mean it was a “balanced” narrative, because it served to consolidate Pakistan’s nationalist aspirations as interpreted officially. Just as it does today. What we see over the past few years therefore, is a manifestation of this progressive distortion of the official narrative. Are we ready quite yet to fix that?

    Raza has reason for hope because he sees the 18th Amendment loosening the straitjacket of so-called ideology. Lets also hope the provinces can make a better job of it, considering the same people who wrote the earlier stuff will be asked to write new textbooks.

    The question to ask, perhaps is: Having been through the same educational experience as so many of his age, what made Raza and others like him begin to see things differently from what was reflected in textbooks? One would guess this perspective crystalized as a result of what was learnt outside the classroom: Exposure to alternative narratives, meeting people from other cultures who helped dispell stereotypes, and other liberating circumstances.

    Hence, crucial as it is, just fixing curriculum may not suffice: How do we rig it so we let our young people challenge stereotypes, ask awkward questions, derive their learning from experience, and generally feel less threatened by criticism on our “ideology” or our official narrative? And perhaps most important, how do we make our teachers empower rather than suppress?

    With the way the system is configured, this all seems rather humbling, and a long walk home. Until we are well on our way, we should be prepared for condescending remarks from people who think they know better.Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 17, 2011 - 12:24AM

    @mind control:
    I do not know what is your source of history. Alexander, invaded Inida in 326/327 BC and even before his invasion, ruler of Texala (King ambhi) had become loyal to his kingdom. After fighting bloody wars in Aghanistan, Swat and Potohar, his army almost revolted and Alexnder had to return with his ” half baked” victory.Symbolically, his rule over very limited area of India lasted for less than three years as he died in 323 BC. You can call Inida as colony of Alexander, if you extend it boundaries to babylyon. For marxists, it will be nice to study what really happened to Alexanders empire shortly after his departure. Do not amke yourself a laughing stock by calling Inida a colony of Alexander…Sorry but you are not even aware of the difference between simple occupation and colonial occupation.
    Reading few books about marx, here and there does not make you an intellectual or a historian. You continue to see history through your tunnel vision.
    Your logic about the reponse of afghnas or Iraqis is in direct contradiction to the charter of United Nations which gives right to the oppressed nations, wheter it be jews, christians, muslims or Hindus to stand up and reisist the aggression.Since you are allergic of the word resistance or Jehad, you chose to be rescued by maligned logic and utterly unstainable reasoning.Recommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 17, 2011 - 12:27AM

    @observer:
    I do not know what is your source of history. Alexander, invaded Inida in 326/327 BC and even before his invasion, ruler of Texala (King ambhi) had become loyal to his kingdom. After fighting bloody wars in Aghanistan, Swat and Potohar, his army almost revolted and Alexnder had to return with his ” half baked” victory.Symbolically, his rule over very limited area of India lasted for less than three years as he died in 323 BC. You can call Inida as colony of Alexander, if you extend it boundaries to babylyon. For marxists, it will be nice to study what really happened to Alexanders empire shortly after his departure. Do not amke yourself a laughing stock by calling Inida a colony of Alexander…Sorry but you are not even aware of the difference between simple occupation and colonial occupation.
    Reading few books about marx, here and there does not make you an intellectual or a historian. You continue to see history through your tunnel vision.
    Your logic about the reponse of afghnas or Iraqis is in direct contradiction to the charter of United Nations which gives right to the oppressed nations, wheter it be jews, christians, muslims or Hindus to stand up and reisist the aggression.Since you are allergic of the word resistance or Jehad, you chose to be rescued by maligned logic and utterly unstainable reasoning.
    .Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Apr 17, 2011 - 1:35AM

    @observer,

    A wonderful helping hand from wikipedia entries indeed. I am just curious why Iraqis and Afghans didn’t return to their “original peaceful” faiths? I wonder what role did Iraqis and Afghans themselves have in spreading Islam in their own lands and elsewhere.

    The point being how quick Indians point to the brutality of Arabs when their own kings were giddy mass murderers who wiped towns and cities. It was the same Afghans/Persians/Mongols that came to defeat your valiant Kshatriyas. I am pretty sure that part of the history has been repeated again and again and planted in your mind by your nationalists. Refresh it with some wikipedia entries.Recommend

  • Hasan
    Apr 17, 2011 - 2:11AM

    @Adil:

    BTW Pakistan or Pakistani textbooks
    is/are not alone when it comes to
    teach lies and fabrications.

    Everyone cold watch the Documentary
    titled ‘Reel Bad Arabs’ too which was
    made by Russia Today. The documentary
    explains how Hollywood kept on showing
    a negative image of Arabs through
    their movies and cartoons for the past
    many decades, brainwashing a huge
    population of United States.

    Can you deny that for centauries Arabs have been cutting throats of just about everyone they came across? Ever heard of Bin Qasim or Tariq Bin Ziyad for instance? Even today the human rights situation in most Arab countries is among the worst in the world and not least in Saudi Arabia the centre of many’s affection and one of the largest spreader of extremism in the world in general and in Muslim countries in particular.

    Heck, Arabs even treat their Muslim brethren from Pakistan and third world very baldy.Recommend

  • maynotmatter
    Apr 17, 2011 - 2:23AM

    @Suarabh Shahi – Twisting the facts to your benefits doesn’t make you a good “self proclaimed” journalist. And being a journalist doesn’t make you right and wise and know it all person. Your choice of words and opportunistic behavior to drive away from the point ( which is text books lies in pakistan) to whats wrong in India is a proof that you are carrying your own agenda to appease few people here and participating fairly in discussion. If it makes you feel better I am from Gujarat and know the ground reality far better than wherever warm journalist hut you were prejudicing the situation from. Not many right minded gujaratis so to speak support the action against Muslim, but it was a retaliation action and its always ugly. We definitely have Hidnu hot heads who are as worse as terrorist and we need to eliminate them. But these hot heads havent succeeded in radicalizing entire nation. Thats the difference number one between India and Pakistan. My in laws are Pakistanis and my first rude shock came when I heard that they believed all three wars were started by India. And these are the ellite and educated cream class people I am talking about. Atleast our ellite class is not so ignorant. About caste kilings, its a law and order situation. It is not supported by common people . Against this the hatred against Hindu is widespread amongst all class of Pakistan. That is the difference number two for you. We are below Pakistan and Sri Lanka in poverty ? And you call yourself a journalist ? My dear having a fake Indian name and calling yourself a journalist doesnt make you one so. Even the pakistani journalist in true sense of mind will go and do research ( we have internet for god sake use it ) to see the facts. Let me correct you there. The ratio of poverty in India is bigger than Pakistan , yes cause the population is 4 times bigger then them and almost 10 times bigger than sri lanka. The poverty has dropped 17 % in last decade if you have missed the WTO articles which was published as recently as about two weeks ago. More and more rural projects are springing up to narrow the chasm between rich and poor and its a slow progress not an overnight change. So please Mr self proclaimed journalist get your facts right. Anti OBC reservation slogans ? well done in twisting the facts again. You conveniently ignored the fact that the anti-OBC was actually an anti reservation fight. The opponents were wanting to completely abolish reservation systems. In current reservation systems the OBC, muslims, females, and many other categories takes away 67 % of quato in government jobs, colleges, institution etc. Why would the open category suffer? Why not remove quota system and put merrit based system ? Reservation system itself is racist in nature. This kind of systems increases class hatrednes and infact reminds each of what class tehy belong. So in a way the reservation system is indeed increasing teh caste based fight rather tahn doing any justice. Which other nation in world will have 67 % reservation for summation of all minority ? So oh my self proclaimed un educated journalist from Pakistan who assumed the name of Saurabh Shahi, please go back to school and do real journalism. About Shivaji, hmmm, I dont like him much either especially thanks to bala thackrey who really mis used his name to the point that now I have started hating him, but yes about your “peeth peechey chura” dialogue. You are an audacious clown who seriously have no clue about history. Shivaji didnt stab teh commander on back he tored his guts out, please for god sake “read history” and I am not asking Indian history books , just any so called un biased books if you please. And that commander was actually assigned task to assisinate Shivaji in pretext of peace talks. So who was doing back stabbing hmm? My dear, dont be ashamed of calling yourself Pakistani. there is nothing wrong in it. Disguising yourself as Indian to drive your point is the new low. I respect more pakistani here who remains pakistani and put their hate remarks against India. I respect them for they speak their mind and do that keeping their identity. To hate is human nature. But hating to the point of ruining a genaration or killing people is ugly, seriously ugly. And to remind you again this blog is not about who is good Hindu or Muslim. But it is about how false history can mis guide a whole community and nation as such. And bring them to brink of radicalisation. Use your so called journalism for good use. Like our dear author here. Recommend

  • bilal
    Apr 17, 2011 - 6:26AM

    a very sub standard article. textbooks are easy to pick on so if you do not have any new ideas to write about – start bashing the textbooks. mr. rumi has not provide evidence to what he is saying. in my opinion it appears that mr. rumi may have done o/a levels and may never had read a single textbook that he is blaming. indeed there is much false hood in our textbooks but mr. rumi is doing no service with his useless blabbering. mr. rumi is a socialite and i am sure he wants everyone of us to become like him – a wanna be blind follower of the western culture. there have been many attempts by the governments to try to change the curriculum so that the schools churn out slaves to western civilization.

    indeed our textbooks are a piece of crap. they are very very sub standard. the academics who devised them must be very incompetent. the topics that are taught and the rote system is not helping us to progress. quality of the topics taught must be improved. topics that are necessary to prosper in todays world must be taught. for example, in usa school kids learn about renewable energy in their middle school. they also conduct labs to actually see theoretical concepts in action.

    in my experience of studying in usa, i found quite a few indian hindus very anti pakistan. so it appears to me that indian textbooks may also teach hate against muslim rulers of india and pakistan. this issue must also be considered.

    in conclusion, mr. rumi is a loser and people like him are doing no service to the country. infact they themselves spread hatred against anything related to the religion that the prophet muhammad (pbuh) brought.Recommend

  • LPJ
    Apr 17, 2011 - 9:30AM

    I agree. However, such measures should also be taken at the Indian side of the education system. It always works both ways. Perhaps teachers should be educated as well and given workshops to regulate and enhance the state of education in Pakistan. This is something the North American education board does often, quite successfully I believe. (Even though their textbooks are also biased, it is not to the extent that ours are). Recommend

  • vasan
    Apr 17, 2011 - 9:42AM

    Will the bloggers, esp those who disagree with this author, care to read the article in the Dawn
    http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/15/the-alphabet-jungle.html Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 17, 2011 - 10:24AM

    @Zeeshan

    You only knew the existence of the statue when Taliban blew it up and before

    This trick of projecting one’s own inadeqacies on the other is quite old. I take it to mean that you were quite unaware of the Budhas as your books never told you about the Hindu-Budhist past of Afghanistan and even Taxila.And you were not told about the Hindu-Budhist past because your ‘history’ begins only with Bin Kasim Do some day find out what happened to the Budhists. Their fate too was similar to the Bamiyan Budhas.

    It is indeed very funny to hear you dictating what Afghans and Iraqis must do when their lands are occupied

    Again big time ignorance finding expression as even bigger time self righteous anger. The fact is Mr Syed Ali asked this question, I refused to respond to it. He reiterated I kept quite. Then a third time he insisted. I have quoted him in bold,as you can see Mr Ali is insistent. He says, Please answer the main question.
    This time I could not ignore his plea.
    And I have merely pointed out that this is not the first time that Afghanistan and Iraq have been occupied by ‘Foreign Powers’ , therefore, they can simply see how they responded the last time around and repeat or may be not. The choice is theirs. I am only reminding Mr Ali of their history as this is what the debate between me and Mr Syed Ali was all about.

    And now that you undersatnd the context, and think you have a better right to advise the Afghans and the Iraqis please proceed to do so. Better still please go there and execute your advice. Good Luck.Recommend

  • folkfiende
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:26AM

    @Saurabh Shahi:
    One mans terrorist is another mans freedomfighter janab. Yeh baat durust hai ke aap sahab …are one of us not one of them!
    Kashmir ke log hamare liye freedom fighters hain unke liye terrorist. Shivaji unke liye hero hai hamare liye terrorist.
    Bhagat singh dono hindustan aur pakistan keliye freedom fighter hai lekin bartania ke lihaz se dahshatgard.
    Aap apnein mulk ki kitabion ka baren main soche…humein to yeh sikhaya gayatha ke Qaid-e-Azaam hamesha pakisna chahte the..lekin humeninen halahi main aswant Singh ki kitaab padhi isme mukammal taur pey yeh baat tay ho jaatio hai ke Jinnahsahab Pakistan 1946 tak nahi chahte the…lekin Nehru ki vajah se unhonein ghaliban tay kar liya abhi pakistan nban key rahhega.
    Padho bhai aap bhi..aap to journalist hai!Recommend

  • abuyossef shukri
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:31AM

    The author would have done a great service if unlike others he had pointed exactly which books and articles preach hatred and lies.
    It is amazing to find so many Indians fascinated by us and tempted to read the work of Pakistani authors and comment on these. I wonder if we can be allowed the same luxury in the world’s biggest democracy where there is a complete ban on Pakistani media. Some of the comments posted by them amply reflect that the case of “hate preaching” is more pronounced on the other side of the border. Recommend

  • Dr Shehryar Niazi
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:42AM

    Not a single nation on the surface of earth has its textbooks bias-free. I’d say that pakistani boards should get even more aggressive in preaching nationalism .
    The author of the blog should complain about the biased history thats being taught in american european and indian schools first .
    Red Indians are portrayed as savages, American Civil war is falsely depicted to be fought over the issue of slavery. Americans never spoke of the massacres that the “Democratic” armies of America and south korea did in 1950s korea. NobodY speaks about the 50000+ women n children dying whitin a week of american and british bombing of Hamburg.
    So Mr Author should better shut the f up coz ultra nationalism is the only path left to us if we want to save whats left of the country Recommend

  • Vinayak
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:47AM

    @No More Mr. Nice Guy:
    Thanks for guiding me to the links. Yes, I am not good with computers, like many persons who blog here.

    Nowhere in the Indian textbooks are Dalits degraded like Hindus are degraded in Pakistani text-books. If some text-book explains virtues of caste-system, it does not say Dalits are low beings, they should not be trusted e.t.c. Btw. Dalits have been given special reservations in government jobs, shows how much sacrifice is made by the (so called) upper castes.

    That way even praising Islam should be objectionable, since Islam is inherently violent against other religions esp. Hinduism, because Hindus worship idols.

    The Rajastan textbooks just state that ‘appeasement of minorities’ is responsible for terrorism. It is upto readers to judge how much an anti-minority statement that is.

    Textbooks are fine as long as what they state are facts, and leaves making opinions to the readers.

    Btw. have you wondered why people on DELL support are Indians not Pakistanis.Recommend

  • vasan
    Apr 17, 2011 - 12:06PM

    Adil:
    I dont know whether you are trying to defend Aurangzeb. He may have had fights with tribes in the west. But we are complaining is his orders for destruction of temples and killing of his siblings and father . The wikipidea links I mentioned will throw more lights on bigots like AurangzebRecommend

  • maynotmatter
    Apr 17, 2011 - 1:10PM

    @folkfiende:
    Bhagat Singh or Shivaji never killed innocent citizens. You can check that information from independent resources. Militants and terrorists on other hand kill innocent civilians, do you really want to call them “freedom fighters” ? Please set your standards higher.
    @bilal: Author is basing his article on concrete substance “your published text books”. You on other hand my dear are basing your “assumption” about indian text boks preaching hate by your mere interaction with few pakistani hating indian hindus? I am in USA, my workplace and neigborhood has quite a lot of pakistani muslim and indian hindus, we work, dine, play, party and even watched the world cup match together. I dont remember a single incident where one side has shown the other any slightest hint of despise or dis respect. Well in either case coming to our point, can you pick an indian text book and find any single evidence of indian texts preaching any hatred towards any nation or caste or religion? Do they use any derogatory remarks against any caste, country or religion ? Hatred of Indians towards Pakistani comes from incidents like Mumbai attack where innocent peoples were barbarically killed by terrorists from Pakistan. I fear for my family when they travel in train in India. Its natural I would hate Pakistani for this uncomfort. But I try to be rationale and remind myself that just because of few bad apples in Pakistan I cannot hold the entire Pakistan accountable. Surely there are many people there like in India who just want to live their daily life, enjoy time with family and be happy without messing with anybody. This is what is needed in broader scale today for Indian and Pakistani people to realise that there is not much difference between us. It is misguiding texts or preaching or speech of politicians that pits innocents against each other. By nature human are always defensive and seldom like to accept their fault. It is toughest thing to accept fault and bare the shame. The fear of shame is what makes many of us go into state of denial. You can put any mask you want but deep down you can see the rationale when someone speaks truth and you know that is true no matter how bitter it is. And it desn’t matter if you accept it or not. The truth will always remain.Recommend

  • Yasser Chattha
    Apr 17, 2011 - 1:15PM

    Mr Raza Rumi, though what you are pointing out is very much valif but your argumentation is very weak. However, the strength of your piece is that it has inspired very enlightening comments from either side. One may hope you will learn how to write effectively and comprehensively, taking as many contexts in view as possible. ThanksRecommend

  • abhinav
    Apr 17, 2011 - 1:19PM

    @adil
    If you accept that the VP and Senrior Manager did run a riot under CEO aurangzeb, I think responsibility still lies with him isn’t it? If he couldn’t control operations in so many cities why bother expanding network. Actually he expanded the network with the help of same VPs and Managers and fullfilled his ambition of ruling whole continent. He was not really bothered about people living in the continent. He was not bothered about Islam as well but he knew if he destroys some tamples he will get support of religious bigots (Same VPs you are referring to). This is the exact reason why Taliban destroyed Bamian buddhas. As always all these steps have long term negative aspects and you cannot wish away the negative publicity you face because of these actions.

    I agree with most here that every nation/ruling state have a narrative which suits their need to perpituate their rule. The narrative which are more close to reality, last longer than others. So it is upto citizen of Pakistan, how long they want their narrative to last.Recommend

  • Rajwinder Singh
    Apr 17, 2011 - 1:30PM

    @Light:
    Dear friend U should name yourself HEAVY and not light. Please let Good people of two countries to unite citizens. Teaching hatred against India or Hinduism, will not help Pakistan or it’s ordinary citizens. It is a fact that last 2-3 generations of pakistan has been taught hatred in the name of history. India named one missile ‘Prithvi’ meaning Earth ( Pakistani rulers thought it is the name of Prithvi Raj Chauhan, the Rajput King ), another ‘Agni’ meaning Fire,another ‘Akash’ meaning Space, another ‘Nirbhay’ meaning without fear and so on.On the other hand, Pakistani rulers named their missiles ‘Gauri’, Ghaznavi’ , ‘Babar’, ‘Abdali’ who all looted India many times ( Remember muslim citizens were also looted by them ) . These names show Pakistani rulers try to link their generations with above invaders. It is this type of thinking they are putting in history being taught to Pakistani students. i.e. Developing a type of Anti- india phobia . Most of ordinary Pakistani people are loving people as I have met them, in a visit to Pakistan. Hatred will not solve any problem, but will lead to bomb blasts, killing of citizens, loot by politicians etc. etc.
    Remember we cannot change the destiny of a country by Changing its history. Truth will remain immortal.Recommend

  • observer
    Apr 17, 2011 - 2:24PM

    @Zeeshan

    I am just curious why Iraqis and Afghans didn’t return to their “original peaceful” faiths?

    For the same reason that they had to ‘convert’ to in the first place, fear of being killed. I am sure you know the punishment prescribed for ‘murtads’ , you see it being doled out to Ahmadis all the time.
    Or is this further poof of your colossal ignorance.

    It was the same Afghans/Persians/Mongols that came to defeat your valiant Kshatriyas

    Did the Kshatriyas go to Afghan/Persian/Mongol lands or did they come to Kshatriya land? In short who was the invader? Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2011 - 2:43PM

    @Syed Ali

    Is it too much to ask you to find out

    A. If Seleucus Nicator battled Chandragupt Maurya and if yes in what year?

    B. If Seleucus Nicator offered his daughter in marriage to Chandragupt, if yes in what year?

    C. If Seleucus Nicator sent Megasthanese as an ambassador to the court of Chandragupt, if yes in what year?

    D. Did Megasthanese serve as an ambassador in Chandragut’s court, if yes till which year?

    Now tell me what ended with the death of Alexander in 323 BC?

    Go ahead, use any source of history, barring those that begin with Bin Kasim.

    And for your kind information, even Afghanistan was considered to be part of India those days, which accounts for Afghanistan’s the Hindu/ Budhist past.

    And inscidentally this whole aside started with your take on Raja Dahar being the first martyr against foreign invasion. Hopefully by now you know it to be not so. Thank me someday for enlightening you in howsoever small a way.Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Apr 17, 2011 - 2:56PM

    @observer

    So you are one of those Indians who spent hours weeping for the destruction of the Nalanda library done by the barbarians (i.e., Muslims?)? The fact that the statue of Bamiyan stood there for 1200 years under the Muslim rule seemed to escape your mind. Or do you need to ignore that part of the history because it didn’t fit neatly with your wikipedia narrative?

    Indians demand Pakistanis to revere the “Hindu-Buddhist past” while Indians viewed Muslim past in “India” with utmost hate. Why should we care about the “Hindu-Buddhist past” anyway? Our history as a collective people with the identity we carry today starts with the spread of Islam. We cherished that history while that history sent you berserk. The triumph of our history is the defeat of yours.

    By demanding Pakistanis to care about our “Hindu-Buddhist past,” you are demanding us to emphasize with your identity (i.e., your “Hinduness”) that we never cared. We viewed Islam as an emancipating faith which shaped our identity. Muslims who were once oppressed during their “Hindu-Buddhist past” would be greatly thankful for the coming of Islam.Recommend

  • mustafa
    Apr 17, 2011 - 3:12PM

    there are always two sides of coin if they are so good then what happen in babari masjid and in gujrat. What happen on 1971 pakistan did not do anything its the indian agents who do the brain washing and still we say its us no dear its not us. What u want wha should be history there were no crusades there is no occupied kashmir. Hindus are very good they were good when there was muslim rule but what happen when british came. Was there no train came from india full of dead bodies of women and children and men. And where this extremism start how this start who supply the weapon to afghans to fight with russia and in pakistan in which areas there is extremism in areas where people are educated or in areas where people are not educated decision is urs. Are you really an editor i dont think so. And the person who gave the references from books i dont think there is any hatred in those references its the hate within urself. And my humble request to editor that pleasr help the board to re writw the history in which there is no hate, no crusades, no occupied kashmir, no train full of dead bodies, no palestine problem where u kill palestine children without any fear and any isreali soldier killing is regretable, and full of horror stories about halucoust which not actually exist. One last thing change ur religion because in our religion it is told about jihad and heaven.Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2011 - 3:30PM

    @Syed Ali

    Your logic about the reponse of afghnas or Iraqis is in direct contradiction to the charter of United Nations……Since you are allergic of the word resistance or Jehad, you chose to be rescued by maligned logic and utterly unstainable reasoning

    Sir jee, if you remember, you repeatedly asked for my opinion as to what Afghanistan and Iraq should do. And it is at your insistence that I have given my opinion based on historical facts complete with verifiable reference. On the other hand for all your rants you have not produced even the tiniest shred of verifiable reference.As Lenin said ‘each according to his ability’….

    Now it seems you are keen to follow the UN, please do so by all means. Do remember,

    A. The action in Afghanistan and Iraq is also mandated by the same UN.

    B. As you have so persistently pointed out, I admit my knowledge is limited. So can you give me a reference to UN authorising a ‘jehad’ against the International Peace Keeping Forces in Afghanistan and Iraq, which according to you I am allergic to.Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2011 - 4:16PM

    @Zeeshan

    I wonder what role did Iraqis and Afghans themselves have in spreading Islam in their own lands and elsewhere.

    And I wonder why are you left wondering when information is only a click away. Since you are too lazy to get information let me supply it to you.

    A. In Iraq Islam is now ruling supreme as the remaining coptic Christians (did you know Saddam’s foreign minister was one) have been driven away.

    B. Two other groups are busy bringing ‘pure Islam’ to Iraq by eliminating the followers of the impure variety. Soon we will know which one is purer and ‘most peaceful’.

    C. In Afghanistan Purity was imposed and in the process a lot of impure ones in Mazar-e Shariff and elsewhere in Afghanistan have been eliminated. The task is still not complete.

    D. Afghans and their ‘resistence sympathisers’ are also busy spreading pure Islam in Pakistan. They have already succeeded in FATA and are busy eliminating the impure ones whereever they are found. Recently the had some success in Data Durbar and Sakhi Sarwar.

    E. It is expected that once their resistance duties in Afghanistan are over, they will purofy all of Pakistan.

    Stop wondering my friend, start rejoicing.Recommend

  • Reza Mahmud
    Apr 17, 2011 - 4:45PM

    Mr. Rumi might have highlighted some of the major portions to be touched and I do agree that the text needs to be changed but I would advocate a strong tilt towards teaching science and introducing research oriented studies in Pakistan. I would have loved this article if it was focused towards science and technology as it becomes plausible to be the part of curriculum now a days.

    As far as the ‘hatred’ factor is concerned I never read any book in my whole entire life till I had formal Pakistan Punjab text education. None of the text, not a single line ever was meant to disgrace Bengolies.

    As far as Indians are concerned we are sure of the fact that they were our enemies, are our enemies and will always be. I am a strong advocate of disapproval of so called ‘Aman ki Asha’. Pakistanis rather have always been a head in taking initiatives for extending a friendship hand to them but Indians have proved to be the snakes. The radicalization and fundamentalist minds are not the outcomes of education. Try to think about what is said in the above text.

    Pakistan has many challenges to face and I agree on this fact produced by you.Recommend

  • Apr 17, 2011 - 5:02PM

    Dear All
    I am hugely encouraged by the some of the comments and the fact that this is an issue worth debating. We need to have an open-dialogue. Let there be a public debate and pressure for change should come from the people of Pakistan who have been forced to live with false or at best doctored narratives.
    Those who disagree with me have the right to do so but ascribing motives is in bad taste.
    RRRecommend

  • Salih
    Apr 17, 2011 - 6:41PM

    Same is the case in India but the degree of hate preached in India is much more than Pakistan. In Kashmir we are taught in “history of India” which demonizes Pakistan, though the contrary in true.Recommend

  • V S S SARMA
    Apr 17, 2011 - 8:40PM

    The subject is distortion of history in Pakistani education system and the impetus the same provides to terrorism. Let us stick to this subject. Raza Rumi has done a great job bringing in focus on this topic. Pakistan has to undo the mistakes in curriculum which is the cause of hatred in the Pakistani society and weel-meaning people like Rumi would like to modernise their country.Recommend

  • Manjit singh
    Apr 17, 2011 - 10:45PM

    I went to pakistan in 2004. At a friend’s place at gujranwala, I had a chance to have a look at his daughters history book of class 11. Looking for the biasness , I turned to the chapter of medival india ,surprising for me there was mention of the atrocities committed by AURANGZEB and that his killing of innocent sons of tenth guru of sikhs made them fight with him. Honestly, I did not find that book biased as I had presumed before. Back home, a friend told me that he heard that in the urdu primers in pakistan, against the alphabet ZOE there is a picture of a sikh warrior to depict a ZALIM for that alphabet! Then I quoted the above incident to my friend also. As some of the readers have said, history is not like a video recording. Their would always be some bias infused by its writers Recommend

  • Saadia
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:07PM

    The author has provided no facts, no references, nothing in fact, except his own sensationalist, paper selling, soundbite. I was hoping for a more intelligently written article with some actual substance to it. Until then, this is just another pakistan bashing excercise.Recommend

  • Avanti
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:15PM

    @Raza Rumi: “Let there be a public debate and pressure for change should come from the people of Pakistan”

    If the readers of this blog represented an average Pakistani, yes, it would work. But, unfortunately, that is not the case. Furthermore, the militants have figured out a very smart and highly effective way to silence the reformers – just bomb them out. If the armed forces can’t provide security as they are a part of the nexus, then where is the hope? Recommend

  • Avanti
    Apr 17, 2011 - 11:26PM

    @Saadia:
    The author has done an amazing job in bringing out the point that everyone knows just from commonsense. What proof do you want? Does someone have to show you a picture of the sun to prove it is day time? Yours is a politician’s way to side step the issue. Recommend

  • maynotmatter
    Apr 18, 2011 - 12:35AM

    @Saadia – Clearly you conveniently ignored that the author did provide links and references to his claims. Better , just look at your text books you will get all the proofs you need my dear :).
    @Sallh – Time to prove what you just stated. Anything to back what you commented about indian text books preaching hate?
    @Raza Mahmud – Operation Gibraltor, Invasion of kashmir by pushtun in 1947, kargil war, mumbai killings should tell you enough of who is the snake and back stabber. If Pakistan’s credibility in world is close to zero, it is purely by far the history of mis-adventurism and terrorsim support by Pakistanis. So stop spreading more lies. Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Apr 18, 2011 - 12:46AM

    @Avanti
    Don’t patronize Pakistanis. I am pretty sure you know the fates of courageous people in your land who speak against atrocities, hate, brutality committed by your own people. Go and rescue Binayak Sen before turning at Pakistani feet with your patronizing tone. And the thugs and criminals who mass murder informers seemed to escape your mind: :http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/world/asia/23india.htmlRecommend

  • maynotmatter
    Apr 18, 2011 - 12:59AM

    @mustafa – One more article for you of how much lies you have been fed.
    http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/15/the-alphabet-jungle.htmlRecommend

  • bilal
    Apr 18, 2011 - 1:40AM

    raza rumi, you deleted my comment, which shows that you are a coward loserRecommend

  • syed Ali
    Apr 18, 2011 - 2:11AM

    @observer:
    I am talking about soviet occupation of Afghanistan when ” Jihad” was started and was endorsed by most of the westren world.
    Please learn the difference between imperialism and colonialism and stop being a cut and paste scholar.Recommend

  • Farhan kazmi
    Apr 18, 2011 - 3:59AM

    I am not amazed how many Indians are supporting this blog, It is their national duty to ridicule the Pakistanis. By all this time I saw the linked report which is causing all the hue and cry about the syllabus.of our youth. I am glad to see some people have also posted their analysis by reading the report.

    I think its the US aid through Kerry Luger Bill materializing in front of us in the from of the foreign funded NGOs like this one, again trying to promote this 7 years old “Enlighten Moderation” in our syllabus. This report was drafted by Sustainable Development Policy Institute in 2003 according to its preface :

    “After completion, the first draft report was shared with some friends for review and
    improvements, and the draft report released on 16 June 2003.”

    So this what west wants with Pakistan to let us forget why over a million of its elder generation lost their lives and gave our blood for. It was for a Place to practice and preach and practically implement Islamic civilization model for the world.

    Now we admit we were carried away from it and were put in the battle for our survival from the inherit enemy No 1 “India”. The chanakkiya followers wanted the territory back and west never wanted us to implement what we wanted so wars of 1948 , 65, 71, 1999 were commenced from time to time to eradicate this country. After 1965 they saw the way is to make use of political ignorance and egos by manipulating our bengali brothers who were dejected by the long distance of both geography and psychology of east Pakistan. They were invted to conspire in AGARTALA and when caught politically harassed to be released by the government then. Thus Indians succeeded in separating Pakistan.

    I emphasis that it was due to lack of political will in the first place to make Pakistan ISLAMIC ROLE MODEL which caused us a catastrophe like this.

    Now again i see Enlighten moderates trying The Subtle Subversion to harness our young minds for their cause.

    It is painstaking to see all of us stirred up by this “incomplete” blog but “completed” agenda of The Subtle Subversion for the benefit of Indians and pro western interests.

    To RAZA RUMI only
    I rightly though of FOX NEWS. You know what GLENN BECK is fired may be you can fill in the slot. This time you’ll get the Chalk board as well. Make US Proud there.

    Lord Almighty Guide us on your path in this our age of Disinformation.

    Farhan Kazmi Recommend

  • yalla
    Apr 18, 2011 - 8:16AM

    @Mir Agha:

    it’s true that there needs to be greater access to this type of education but I think Rumi’s right on the money. While it’s true that many people don’t have access to education, and are *illiterate, the students that do go through school are taught very poorly and this breeds as much conflict as illiteracy does. An education that doesn’t teach you how to think critically, how to assess the merits of a statement or book or politically charged statement from a local leader, isn’t an education at all, and this is what breeds national horrors like murdering ahmadis and bombing shia mosques. Recommend

  • Ali Ahmed
    Apr 18, 2011 - 8:17AM

    The reality is actually the opposite, the writer has tried to implement his thinking on the readers without giving any sound proof of what he is saying, the writer seems to be a pseudo-journalist actually,
    First of all, I agree that there are some problems in our textbooks but not the way writer has presented it, Our textbooks are trying to brainwash the minds of the youth systematically by teaching them about every odd personality of the past. If you see some history textbooks, written by peter moss of the Oxford University Press, which are taught in many of our schools, you will see that instead emphasizing Islam , he has emphasized Christianity and other cultures, which is not acceptable, our children need to be taught about the pioneers of Islam, such as Sultan Fateh, Salhuddin Ayyubi, Nurruddin Zangi, Qutbuddin Bakhtiya kaaki, Khalid bin waleed, but unfortunately most of our children don’t even know the names, because they are taught about polytheist people like Akbar!! Recommend

  • Apr 18, 2011 - 8:22AM

    @Raza Rumi:
    Thank you for the link. This is really atrocious! One fails to understand how could such things be allowed to be prescribed and taught in our schools. Just imagine the mental level of the people who did this; I think they should be hanged for treason! This means that any student who tried to read history beyond his textbooks and wrote the ‘correct’ and real history of events would actually fail even though the purpose of a good education is to open up ones mind! It is probably in response to your article and the one by Mr. Nadeem Paracha in ‘DAWN’ that the Sunni Ittehad Council has said only yesterday that it ‘would not tolerate any negative change in the textbooks of various educational institutions of the country”.
    One is heartened, however, by the great response to your article from both sides of the border barring of course the blame game played by some. I think there is an overwhelming majority who would like to see history as it is being taught in our educational institutions. This is something that gives us hope. A request to all those who write comments: Please confine your comments on the issues and do not get personal. Some magnanimity is in order from across both sides of the border.Recommend

  • A
    Apr 18, 2011 - 5:22PM

    @Arindom:

    I have studied in an Indian school for 8 years and I have to say the text books were ridiculous, infact the language used for muslims is unbelievable.. no wonder most of the youth in India do not even know about the truth of Kashmir because they lie that it was a majority of hindus! It’s the limit! I am now studying in America and here in my history class when we talked over it.. Indians knew the wrong story.. so whose curriculum is what.. it SHOWS.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Apr 18, 2011 - 7:04PM

    @Reza Mahmud:
    Your feelings about us are appreciateda and reciprocated with same feelingsRecommend

  • Joy
    Apr 18, 2011 - 9:42PM

    @all of you

    this is about narrative in Pakistani curriculum

    so please caste your biases aside and stick to the spirit of the article……and just be polite to each other

    for heaven’s sake……..lets make our respective countries better places to live in…..remember we the common people are the losersRecommend

  • Apr 19, 2011 - 6:55AM

    Great article – But rather than waiting for governments to do something we the people should – lets us together help Pakistans future, let us do something NOWRecommend

  • maynotmatter
    Apr 20, 2011 - 7:09AM

    @Farhan kazmi –
    Indians dont feel it a “national duty” to ridicule Pakistan. That was taken care long ago by Zia and is continued by people like you. If some one honestly points you fault in your system, u get too religiously and nationally sensitive and start blowing steam. Is it really hard for you guys to understand that there are concrete proofs to substantiate what the author has written here. While you guys just cry foul about Indian history text books instead of producing a single reference of proof to your claims. Indians like me are just trying to put a constructive discussion of understanding what went wrong in our past that things are so bad today. And your constant ranting about Indians want to try gaining back Pakistan supports what the author claimed here, that you and your generation and next is clearly brainwashed by your text books. You prove how much damage lies in primary education can do. Grow up and start memorizing what I am going to say. A failed or troubled Pakistan is not what Indians need. Why would India inherit trouble by trying to annex Pakistan. Its a strategic, economic and whatsoever-ic disaster. Instead we want Pakistan to thrive, extremists in both countries ( underline both ) to be disbanded and borders to be porous enough so both can work and live with each other for more prosperous southern Asia. We can do miracles together or do the worst horror for mankind. Identifying the anomalies in history text book is just the beginning of honest self evaluation. And I commend our author here. I wish India too does more of such kind of self evaluation and fix the system instead of negative comparison with Pakistan. But as far as history text books goes, sorry to say but dude you loose hands down. And I am not saying this with sense of pride.
    ……………………………
    @A – Oh please dear your knowledge says it all that you never studied in India and never in USA. If you are man ( or woman ) enough, please provide this forum a proof of what you said and shut the Indian bloggers mouth. Are you feeling good about typing lies here in the blog ? I bet that was the highest moment in your life :)Recommend

  • SS
    Apr 20, 2011 - 4:11PM

    It is just a biased opinion of a writer and nothing else. Who can guarantee the authenticity of this article, and sincerity of the author. Ask those who were the part of Pakistan movement that who were hindus and ask them about Bengali brothers and sisters. We have learnt much from our ancesstors not from text books. Only these kind of Pakistan can state these facts as wrong to poison young minds and fulfil their agenda. Instead of criticizing each and everything in Pakistan try to play your own role for the betterment. This is what people are doing now a days using media for their own purposes. That’s itRecommend

  • Apr 20, 2011 - 5:29PM

    Hey friend can i publish some paragraph of your article on my little blog of university.I have to publish a good articles out there and i really think your post Fits best into it.I will be grateful to give you an source link as well.I have two blogs one my own and the other which is my college blog.I will publish some part in the university blog.Hope you do not mind.Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Apr 21, 2011 - 7:28PM

    @Raza Rumi:
    Thank you very much for this informative article. Though we Indians knew that Pak curriculam taught in school and colleges had some descrepancies but to this extent is beyond one’s comprehension. Though some biases may exist in curriculam in histories of many countries of the world but in Pakistan distortion of history is a FLIGHT OF WILD IMAGINATION and written WITHOUT APPLICATION OF MIND.The sermons of immense hatred towards other communities especially Hindus and importance of jihad has resulted in spread of religious intolerance and violence throughout the country. Although enough damage has already been done yet it is never too late to undo this grave blunder for betterment of future generation of Pakistan. Recommend

  • Apr 25, 2011 - 11:44AM

    its not only hatred, also the useless extra stuff we are being taught which is never implemented in so-called practical life.Recommend

  • Mangal
    May 8, 2011 - 1:39AM

    As I see, it is part of power game that was started since the time immemorial. It was on at the time of independence in 1947 and it still continues. The difference is that in the ancient past the religion(s) were not that significant to be used as effective tools, as they are now in the contemporary world.
    All the invaders and all the rulers have been playing the game of power. So they do today. To inculcate love or hatred through text books or through other media is only one of the numerous ways to continue to rule.
    No matter whether it is Pakistan, India or West power jugglery is a common thing. It is the mastery of some of the jugglers that they play the power game without their hidden agenda being exposed. The problem is with those who are not that expert. They get exposed rather easily and are subjected to criticism. Eventually they fall when their criticisers overpower their supporters (people whose interests are limked with them).
    Uniting the sub-continent, dividing the sub-continent and continuing to rule the different parts of the sub-continent are all for the sake of enjoying power. Be it through nationalism, democracy, dictatorship, terrorism, religious bigotry, love, hatred, war mongering and for that reason any thing that is most handy and most suitable according to available circumstances.
    This will go on because the really good people in the silent majority are not interested to rule. May be they are incapable. With the result that the silent majority is being ruled by the power-gamers who frequently fight for booty and the members of silent majority suffer unmindful of the game of power seekers. They call them leaders, reformers and gods and their one group blames another group. Alas, all this is but natural.Recommend

  • najam yusuf
    May 8, 2011 - 6:51PM

    I am a textile technologist, 1972-76, I understand that 100 % material taught to us other then particular technology is nothing to do with the professional job, but no body want our feed backRecommend

  • asha kachru
    May 24, 2011 - 3:45PM

    i just want to thank the author for doing the job many more Muslims shuld have been doing, being critical to the jihad propaganda and all related to it. when we \Indians and Hindus do it, we are all too often put in the category of real communals. our secularist friends do not like any critic of our minorities, even though when and wherever we Hindus became a minority, nobody raised eyebrows against the injustices we suffered from e.g. in Kashmir and Bangladesh. ashaRecommend

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