Ex-servicemen say Davis should be waterboarded

Published: March 15, 2011

Protestors shout slogans against arrested US man Raymond Davis. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

KARACHI: 

The 2,000-member strong Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association (PESA) is joining political parties, religious groups and security officials by diving headfirst into the chatter over the Raymond Davis issue. It plans to stage a protest in Islamabad on March 23 to raise awareness about “issues of national interest”, including the case of Raymond Davis.

In what appears to be yet another move to dictate the public discourse about Davis – the alleged Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee on trial in Pakistan for killing two men – ex-servicemen now plan to start a ‘movement’ that will focus on “Pakistan asserting its sovereignty and issues of national interest.”

The demands laid out in an e-mail sent to PESA’s members call for the use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding.

The e-mail says: “Raymond Davis is seen as a saboteur operating as a mercenary for the destabilisation of Pakistan, under the protection of the US government. He has been creating and executing threats to the security of our citizens and homeland. He must be fully interrogated using all methods (including water-boarding) that are used by the US against those who act against the security of the US. His network and methods must be followed and eliminated. Probability of other mercenaries/CIA operated networks must be investigated through him.”

According to a 2004 CIA report, 9/11 suspect Khalid Shaikh Mohammad was waterboarded 183 times. The report defined the technique: “The application of the waterboard technique involves binding a detainee to a bench with his feet elevated over his head. The detainee’s head is immobilised and an interrogator places a cloth over the detainee’s mouth and nose while pouring water onto the cloth in a controlled manner. Airflow is restricted for 20 to 40 seconds and the technique produces the sensation of drowning and suffocation.”

PESA member Brigadier (retired) Mian Mahmud said, “Raymond Davis is just one issue. It is about Pakistan asserting its sovereignty in these matters of national interest. We are trying to show the whole picture.”

Columnist and ex-army officer Kamran Shafi said he had not seen the letter but called the notion “complete and utter nonsense”.

“How does Raymond Davis, who is here on a valid diplomatic passport, fall into the same category as some al Qaeda chap found in Afghanistan or Somalia, the ‘enemy combatants’ as the US calls them?” he questioned. “If there were five CIA employees living in a house in Lahore, how did the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) not know about them? Does butter melt in the mouth of the ISI?”

When asked why ex-servicemen were leading the protest, Mahmud said, “These ex-servicemen do have experience and can analyse these situations in a better way.”

Mahmud said the steering committee created for this protest is a “cross-section of civil society” and includes members of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

Shafi believes the association should first “protest against their own service headquarters over their problems – such as the National Logistics Cell issue which General Kayani said he would look into and nothing has happened on that – and then deal with the civilian government.”

Published in The Express Tribune, March 15th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (25)

  • Anonymous.
    Mar 15, 2011 - 11:48AM

    After chewing every bit of American money, now they’re joining religious parties to spew their hate. Recommend

  • Mar 15, 2011 - 12:39PM

    Is the PTI trying to take the #1 spot for best Al Qaeda front group away from the Jamat-e-Islami?Recommend

  • Uzair
    Mar 15, 2011 - 1:54PM

    Using torture to assert “sovereignty”? Way to go guys! Great example for showing how decent and humane our values are!Recommend

  • mohammad iqbal
    Mar 15, 2011 - 2:33PM

    On the pretext of extracting information, abu gharaib, guantanamo bay, and the notorious black prison in afghanistan saw hundreds of thousands of prisoners being tortured in all types of dirty tricks one of them being water boarding. It is perfect time for our agencies to show what water boarding looks and feels like and for this purpose we have a double murder convict Raymond davies. He must be made to know what water boarding is so that whenever he goes back after completing his sentence, he can inform bush, obama, rumsfeld and fox news about its taste. The wearer should know where the shoe pinches then only he will get it repaired. dont miss this chanceRecommend

  • Mar 15, 2011 - 3:39PM

    What a bunch of petty oppourtunists. For years they have sucked of uncle Sams bossom and now they want to promote torute to regain Paksitan’s soerignty! Take the moral high ground by promoting torture! Ex-servicemen have experience? Of what, torture? How can you have experirence in such things? Its not everyday that an American murders a Paksitani in broad daylight? Members of the very institution that is the biggest recipient of American financing are now showing their teeth? It took them 2 months to voice their concern? Stick to you day job guys, at DHA, Askari, Fauji Foundation or if you really made it big, at Bahria Town. Recommend

  • Aamer
    Mar 15, 2011 - 5:27PM

    The ex-servicemen should be the first ones to be waterboarded, they sold out Pakistan during their tenures by laying flat on their backs in front of America and are now demanding politicians to do the exact opposite.

    Ex-servicemen specially those from ISI were better informed of what was going on in Pakistan, they were the ones to ‘stamp’ the document of surrender on pakistans sovereignty. Go bark on a different tree.

    By the way Raymond Davis deserves justice, and by that I mean he should be punished for the crime he has commited nonetheless. But with ex-servicemen and army trying to take all the credit thats just plain dirty, we know what you are.Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    Mar 15, 2011 - 6:05PM

    I agree with these ex servicemen. Raymond Davis is a filthy terrorist and should be waterboardedRecommend

  • Muhammad HAFEEZ ATTARI
    Mar 15, 2011 - 8:05PM

    yes should be doneRecommend

  • Bangash
    Mar 15, 2011 - 8:07PM

    These ex-servicemen and their foolish polices of strategic depth are the reason Pakistan is in the mess in the first place.Recommend

  • Omar
    Mar 15, 2011 - 9:09PM

    I fully agree. Ex-servicemen should be waterboarded. Bunch of opportunists who have brought the country to the brink of destruction more than once. Created the Taliban monsters in the name of national security. Wonder what they were doing while CIA was setting up operations during “Afghan Jihad”. Oh not to mention each one of them is sitting on millions worth of property and enjoying tons of benefits for their “great services to the nation” whilst the nation starves. Recommend

  • Mar 15, 2011 - 10:21PM

    If they were still in service, they would have done completely different from what they are saying now,Recommend

  • balma
    Mar 15, 2011 - 10:32PM

    Kassee-hui-dhotee,
    I am not sure that Bahria Town has anything to do with the navy or army.Recommend

  • faraz
    Mar 15, 2011 - 11:45PM

    They must be sad that they arent getting the dollars this time; how can they forget the good old days of Afghan Jihad.Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Mar 16, 2011 - 12:42AM

    @Bangash: “These ex-servicemen and their foolish polices of strategic depth are the reason Pakistan is in the mess in the first place.”

    Did they ask the Afghans if strategic-depth thing was o.k with them in the first place ? Or is that that being a fellow Muslim country means not having to ask ?Recommend

  • Mar 16, 2011 - 2:30AM

    @Balma: Have you seen the number of retired army officers and especially ISI officials “employed” by Bahria town? Recommend

  • IZ
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:01AM

    So the very same people who sold hundreds of Arabs, Afghans and even their own countrymen (and countrywomen – remember Asiya was picked up by our agencies after all) now want Davis water-boarded? Who do they think they’re fooling with their fake outrage?Recommend

  • Hasan Bin Hamza
    Mar 16, 2011 - 8:26AM

    One wonders if the agitating Muslim ex-servicemen have considered what the response of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) would have been in such circumstances. Would he have authorized torture based on one of his own being meted such treatment by others? His life is full of examples, which show that he would have have taken recourse to such an action.Recommend

  • faraz
    Mar 16, 2011 - 10:45AM

    @balma
    Bahria Town, a private housing scheme, includes the word Bahria (naval) which gives the impression that its somehow connected to the Pak Navy, which it isnt. Such names for private organizations are prohibited by law. How Malik Riaz managed to get this name for his housing scheme? Its obvious. Recommend

  • aaron
    Mar 16, 2011 - 2:25PM

    stupid pakis; talking about things they have no power over.Recommend

  • aaron
    Mar 16, 2011 - 2:29PM

    it needs no moderation.Recommend

  • Hassan
    Mar 16, 2011 - 3:23PM

    In my opinion: RAYMON DAVIS SHOULD BE RELEASED IMMEDIATELY.

    Because, Allah says in Quran,”Enter fully, into the Deen of Allah!” – that means muslims shall do, utter and think what is legitimate in terms to religion and deen e Islam. The double standards – economy based on riba, adultery under pretext of art and culture, exploitation of less powerful, dishonesty and fraudulent public and private practices, corrupt and dirty people holding important offices, preferring nepotism, ethnicity over values of modesty and merit, etc….. HOW would Allah bless us by simply playing politics on Raymond Davis issue? HOW would Allah proctect us from the wrath of the americans and Isrealis who are at least patriotic to their Countries and coountrymen unlike our people and rulers?

    In fact, whole Pakistan is a subject nation of the US now it is better to do what is ordered by the master – US otherwise, Allah will not help us from the wrath of the US because we are the worst hypocrates on the planet.Recommend

  • IZ
    Mar 16, 2011 - 7:14PM

    @aaron – obvious troll is obvious…Recommend

  • Hasan Bin Hamza
    Mar 17, 2011 - 5:46AM

    @Hasan Bin Hamza:

    A correction to the last statement, which should be read as:
    His life is full of examples, which show that he would not have taken recourse to such an actionRecommend

  • ani
    Mar 17, 2011 - 11:18AM

    Exservicemen: old habits die hard. So enroll as commandos and get Davis back! While you were waxing eloquent about your crazy means, the man flew out right under your ‘ghairat’ noses. Now you can waterboard the hot air you and your committee exhale. Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Mar 17, 2011 - 4:11PM

    Now that Davis has been set free, thanks to the deal between ISI and CIA who ultimately shook hands, ex-servicemen must now speak their mind that who should be going water board ? Recommend

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